00:32.06 | UncleKiwi | that was so strange |
00:32.26 | UncleKiwi | now that i have created some iptables rules its not happening anymore |
00:37.35 | UncleKiwi | when i do netstat -a why cant i see the connected sessions between the sip phone and the sip provider ? |
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00:57.16 | TazzNZ | netstat -a will only show TCP (from memory) while SIP is UDP |
01:18.17 | WIMPy | Or in other words: Because the is no connection. |
02:17.59 | scv | netstat -a will show udp |
02:18.05 | scv | there is still a concept of a socket |
02:19.07 | ChannelZ | Yeah but it only really makes sense for a listener |
02:19.23 | scv | % netstat -an | grep 'udp.*ESTAB' |
02:19.23 | scv | udp 0 0 162.217.176.109:43179 194.97.114.3:2010 ESTABLISHED |
02:19.28 | scv | outbound connections do show up |
02:20.01 | scv | it makes plenty of sense for a connection too |
02:20.05 | scv | there still has to be a path for return data |
02:23.17 | ChannelZ | only sort of. UDP has no state. |
02:24.06 | TazzNZ | scv - what OS are you on ? |
02:28.23 | scv | that particular machine is el6 |
02:29.54 | TazzNZ | my ubuntu box doesn't show it |
02:29.56 | TazzNZ | 14.04 |
02:29.59 | ChannelZ | A receiver can send a "reply" to the sender's source port, but that would be specific to a particularly implemented protocol, it has nothing to do with UDP its self. There is no stateful "connection" with UDP. You can fling packets off into space, and/or receive packets coming to you. |
02:30.37 | UncleKiwi | seems to have stopped |
02:31.02 | UncleKiwi | i would have liked to know what actually went on |
02:31.18 | ChannelZ | Now, a NAT router has its own idea of a UDP 'connection' |
02:32.25 | ChannelZ | Uncle, people do SIP probes all the time. Trying to register hundreds or thousands of generic devices (usually sequences like 1000, 1001, 1002, etc) |
02:32.31 | ChannelZ | Or they'll just attempt anonymous calls |
02:33.04 | ChannelZ | If you're only connecting to one or two known providers and don't need to accept anonymous calls over the net, firewall 5060 off |
02:33.07 | UncleKiwi | yes im just a little confused how they got to my pbx when there is no dnat |
02:33.17 | scv | is there an outbound connection? |
02:33.19 | scv | on 5060? |
02:33.29 | scv | then your nat may allow any host sending to your address at 5060 back to your pbx |
02:33.35 | scv | it's very common in poor nat implementations |
02:33.42 | UncleKiwi | yes |
02:34.13 | UncleKiwi | pbx ---> nat router --> internet ---> sip provider |
02:34.23 | ChannelZ | Who is the provider? |
02:34.31 | UncleKiwi | 2talk.co.nz |
02:35.10 | ChannelZ | is the box Asterisk is running on the NAT router/firewall its self, or is that just a little generic hardware box? |
02:35.27 | UncleKiwi | its a seperate box |
02:35.35 | UncleKiwi | centos 7 |
02:35.38 | UncleKiwi | asterisk 11 |
02:36.38 | UncleKiwi | there was a sip helper enabled on the router |
02:36.41 | UncleKiwi | which i disabled |
02:36.50 | ChannelZ | Yeah they are rarely helpful |
02:36.51 | UncleKiwi | around the time all this stopped |
02:37.09 | UncleKiwi | but would they enable this kind of issue ? |
02:37.32 | ChannelZ | You do really need to port-forward some things though.. like a range of ports as set in rtp.conf |
02:37.59 | ChannelZ | And 5060 in from your provider, if you can restrict it by IP. But even if you can't, you could do that on the centos side |
02:38.14 | UncleKiwi | i have done that |
02:38.19 | UncleKiwi | today |
02:38.31 | UncleKiwi | the restricting in the centos side |
02:38.46 | UncleKiwi | but there is no dnat at all |
02:38.51 | UncleKiwi | calls are working properly |
02:39.06 | ChannelZ | Yes it could, as scv says cheap routers aren't necessarily very smart.. it could just have been seeing port 5060 traffic _out_ from you and saying "oh hey, we better accept anything coming back on 5060 and send it to this LAN IP" |
02:39.21 | UncleKiwi | ahaha |
02:39.25 | UncleKiwi | probably |
02:39.37 | UncleKiwi | well i dont know how else it would occur |
02:39.39 | drmessano | 100% ^ |
02:39.48 | drmessano | Ive seen it happen quite a few times |
02:39.55 | UncleKiwi | ok thanks |
02:39.58 | UncleKiwi | :) |
02:40.21 | UncleKiwi | i think it was the sip helper thingy adding to the problem |
02:40.30 | drmessano | Had a guy in here not too long ago that had it happening with a CEO's home phone |
02:40.32 | UncleKiwi | helping make it unsecure |
02:40.41 | drmessano | Random ringing at 3am kinda thing |
02:41.02 | ChannelZ | Yes, although if your router can't do port-forwarding with a source IP restriction, it's going to behave the same way |
02:41.06 | UncleKiwi | ah speeking of which yes random ringing on another client this occured |
02:41.08 | drmessano | Turns out his POS home router was forwarding 5060 back in when his phone, that was connecting back to the office, made an outbound connection |
02:41.35 | ChannelZ | hah so it was sending traffic directly to the phone? |
02:41.54 | ChannelZ | nice |
02:41.59 | drmessano | Port Forwarded 5060 back to the phone |
02:42.04 | drmessano | So 3am rolls around |
02:42.07 | drmessano | SIP scanner comes along |
02:42.10 | drmessano | RIIIIIIING |
02:42.12 | drmessano | WTAF? |
02:42.14 | ChannelZ | yup |
02:42.20 | drmessano | Calls from himself to himself |
02:42.28 | drmessano | He had an easy extension too |
02:42.32 | drmessano | Like 101... or 1001 |
02:42.35 | UncleKiwi | the random calls my client was experiencing i was told that they we comming directly in an not my my providers network.... ater sending them logs it turned out it was coming via their network |
02:42.35 | drmessano | So didnt take long |
02:43.06 | UncleKiwi | whats the intention of these calls where nobody is there ? are they attempting to get remote dialtone |
02:43.31 | drmessano | Well, more or less |
02:43.43 | drmessano | Call is successful.. we log it, send it better calls.. |
02:43.48 | drmessano | Like international LD |
02:44.23 | UncleKiwi | i have a client and they were getting these calls at the same time each day |
02:44.32 | drmessano | Sure |
02:44.39 | drmessano | I get scans all the time |
02:44.43 | drmessano | If 5060 is open, expect it |
02:44.50 | UncleKiwi | but it was not open |
02:44.51 | UncleKiwi | ahaha |
02:45.02 | UncleKiwi | ithe calls we coming via the provider |
02:45.10 | UncleKiwi | and they blocked it |
02:45.25 | UncleKiwi | but todays instance i think it was open |
02:45.26 | drmessano | Then that wasnt random SIP over internet scan stuff |
02:45.30 | drmessano | that was PSTN calls |
02:45.58 | drmessano | Robocalls from some spammer |
02:46.37 | UncleKiwi | i think they were using the providers network somehow |
02:46.46 | UncleKiwi | i froget the details |
02:46.50 | UncleKiwi | *forget |
02:46.58 | UncleKiwi | but they were able to stop it |
02:47.01 | drmessano | If they came from the providers proxy they were PSTN calls |
02:47.04 | drmessano | Not the same thing |
02:47.35 | drmessano | That would be no different than getting robocalled on your cell phone |
02:48.01 | UncleKiwi | so what would the intention be |
02:48.11 | UncleKiwi | calling daily 1pm |
02:48.11 | drmessano | Marketing |
02:48.20 | UncleKiwi | answer nobody is there |
02:48.28 | drmessano | Yep |
02:48.30 | UncleKiwi | ok |
02:48.46 | drmessano | Sometimes its a PING |
02:48.58 | drmessano | Sometimes its a shitty telemarketer |
02:49.38 | ChannelZ | Autodialers that dont connect you to the guy in India until you actually pick up. And there's a delay. Usually a fairly significant one, like several seconds. |
02:49.47 | drmessano | ^ yep |
02:49.58 | UncleKiwi | ok |
02:50.07 | drmessano | Even then, sometimes they dont make the conversion at all |
02:50.10 | drmessano | They just fail |
02:50.13 | UncleKiwi | well i think the client would have been waiting a while |
02:50.17 | drmessano | Or get marked as such |
02:50.23 | ChannelZ | at home my IVR picks up and says "If you're a human, dial 3 now." I see calls all the time on the console, but my phone never rings because those autodial farms never even hear it |
02:50.57 | UncleKiwi | nice |
02:51.24 | ChannelZ | It's a ghetto solution that so far as worked 100% |
02:51.30 | ChannelZ | *has |
02:51.41 | drmessano | There was one campaign here for home security systems where literally no one had a human pop on the line |
02:51.46 | drmessano | Even waiting endlessly.. |
02:51.52 | drmessano | Which was a failure on their end |
02:52.03 | ChannelZ | :facepalm: |
02:52.22 | drmessano | This may seem hard to believe.. but robospammers are not always the best equipped :) |
02:53.00 | drmessano | Sometimes they are in #asterisk asking why their vicidial is broken while they are still sending out thousands of calls |
02:54.42 | drmessano | Then again, sometimes the robospammers have their shit together because they ARE using Asterisk, and <big company> keeps hanging up on their customers they are spamming trying to sell phone upgrades |
02:54.50 | UncleKiwi | wow |
02:54.54 | UncleKiwi | 89.163.135.151 |
02:55.03 | UncleKiwi | this ip is attempting to connect |
02:55.08 | UncleKiwi | over and over and over |
02:55.41 | drmessano | Welcome to the public internet |
02:56.15 | UncleKiwi | its from the same nbetwork that was getting to my pbx |
02:56.20 | UncleKiwi | *network |
02:56.30 | UncleKiwi | but now he's not getting to it |
02:56.32 | UncleKiwi | hmmm |
02:57.43 | ChannelZ | that was 62.* earlier |
02:57.54 | ChannelZ | But, another COLO/host farm.. pretty typical |
02:58.27 | UncleKiwi | (89.163.242.211:5070) to extension '00046462880338' rejected because extension not found in context 'default'. |
02:58.27 | UncleKiwi | <UncleKiwi> i think my asterisk box is getting hacked |
02:59.01 | drmessano | Sounds about right |
02:59.08 | ChannelZ | oh I didn't see that one I guess, it was someone registering. Only scrolled back a little when I got here |
02:59.33 | UncleKiwi | so what was this person trying to do |
02:59.39 | UncleKiwi | make my pbx dial that number |
02:59.42 | UncleKiwi | right |
02:59.48 | UncleKiwi | so he can get paid |
03:00.04 | ChannelZ | They are the phone equivilents of email spammers, usually |
03:00.20 | ChannelZ | Testing trying to find unsecured systems so they can make phone calls through you. |
03:00.36 | UncleKiwi | like beggars |
03:00.41 | UncleKiwi | in las vegas |
03:00.50 | drmessano | Its not even a "He" |
03:00.50 | ChannelZ | Usually to scam people.. like the fake "I'm from Microsoft, your computer is broken!" crap |
03:00.53 | drmessano | It's all automated |
03:01.06 | ChannelZ | Or some could just be script kiddies trying to make free phone calls. |
03:01.28 | ChannelZ | But either way yeah they are almost always scanner scripts that just blast traffic all over the net, and log whatever responses they get |
03:01.51 | drmessano | Like he said, like scanning for open email relays |
03:02.01 | drmessano | They are looking for the equivalent for SIP |
03:02.09 | UncleKiwi | yeah |
03:02.15 | drmessano | Make a call, it goes through, boom.. you are now in the database |
03:02.20 | drmessano | Now we send calls to you |
03:02.26 | UncleKiwi | i guess the reason i am so shocked is because i had no dnat |
03:02.26 | drmessano | Until you catch it, if |
03:02.42 | drmessano | What kind of router is it? |
03:02.54 | UncleKiwi | its a sophos UTM |
03:03.01 | UncleKiwi | at a large business |
03:03.49 | drmessano | Misconfigured maybe |
03:04.28 | UncleKiwi | yes well.. it did have phones registering out to the sip provider directly |
03:04.35 | drmessano | Well no, not necessarily I guess |
03:04.47 | drmessano | That doesnt matter |
03:04.52 | UncleKiwi | and i did have the 'sip protocol support' enabled |
03:05.00 | drmessano | ^ That does |
03:05.03 | UncleKiwi | and maybe at the time it help |
03:05.07 | UncleKiwi | *helped |
03:05.17 | UncleKiwi | after i put the asterisk pbx in the lan |
03:05.45 | UncleKiwi | I switched off the 'sip protocol support' feature |
03:05.53 | UncleKiwi | things seem to be still working |
03:06.14 | UncleKiwi | and the external inbound connections dont seem to be making it in anymore |
03:06.25 | drmessano | So whats the issue now? I mean it sounds like you had it misconfigured, the box got spammed, and now that setting is off... |
03:07.15 | UncleKiwi | im just confused about how the spam got in |
03:07.30 | drmessano | 23:04:53 <UncleKiwi> and i did have the 'sip protocol support' enabled |
03:07.40 | drmessano | ^ That |
03:07.41 | UncleKiwi | it must be that |
03:07.47 | drmessano | 100% that |
03:08.06 | UncleKiwi | but the intention of this is like sip alg |
03:08.23 | UncleKiwi | its not intended to do what it did right ? |
03:08.28 | drmessano | Something along the lines of a SIP helper is going to do some really ugly things.. like forward 5060 to the first device that opens it outbound |
03:08.55 | drmessano | It should be randomized.. but it's not going to be |
03:09.07 | drmessano | Thanks to "SIP Helper" |
03:09.34 | UncleKiwi | hmm very strange |
03:09.42 | drmessano | Not really |
03:10.16 | UncleKiwi | so sip helper is a security risk |
03:10.53 | drmessano | There is no standard for "Checkbox that makes SIP work better".. so manufacturer <> manufacturer, that's something that is implemented in varying, and sometimes horrific ways |
03:11.09 | drmessano | Even when it's "SIP ALG" |
03:11.29 | drmessano | However, often it's not just that.. it's forcing a lot of bad behavior so they can say SIP works |
03:12.20 | drmessano | I wouldnt consider an open 5060 to your PBX to be a security risk |
03:12.40 | UncleKiwi | when your not expecting it, it can be |
03:12.41 | drmessano | If the box is secured.. strong passwords, calls going to a context that doesn't just send them back out.. youre fine |
03:12.54 | drmessano | So they wouldnt consider it such either |
03:13.28 | drmessano | My point is, the behavior is not a security risk |
03:14.00 | UncleKiwi | i know some people as im sure many in the people in this channel know people who have lost money due to fraud |
03:14.16 | drmessano | As do I |
03:14.19 | UncleKiwi | i dont want to become one of them :) |
03:14.29 | drmessano | ok? |
03:15.08 | UncleKiwi | one guy i know lost almost 20K |
03:15.20 | UncleKiwi | that would have been a sad day at the office |
03:15.55 | drmessano | My point is, what the gateway did was not insecure. You weren't expecting it. |
03:16.13 | drmessano | and now you know what that checkbox does, so plan accordingly |
03:16.18 | UncleKiwi | yes |
03:16.24 | drmessano | I have lots of boxes open to the public internet |
03:16.33 | UncleKiwi | i was lucky my config was good on the asterisk box |
03:16.45 | UncleKiwi | i have one open |
03:17.03 | UncleKiwi | but i have put lots of effort into securing it |
03:17.25 | UncleKiwi | testing that securtity |
03:17.29 | UncleKiwi | etc |
03:17.45 | drmessano | You should do that with any box you deploy |
03:18.03 | UncleKiwi | i do but some require more than other |
03:18.22 | UncleKiwi | by the way this box went in yesterday |
03:18.23 | drmessano | Uhm.. When it comes to Asterisk, not really |
03:19.07 | drmessano | Replicate the same best practices to each box, use a firewall script that handles things like repetitive register and invites |
03:21.09 | UncleKiwi | well i do appreciate all of your help |
03:21.14 | UncleKiwi | thank you |
03:21.16 | UncleKiwi | :) |
03:23.10 | UncleKiwi | oh and just want to confirm it was misconfiguration |
03:23.21 | UncleKiwi | i just found the setting |
03:23.52 | UncleKiwi | expectation mode was set to -----> any |
03:23.54 | UncleKiwi | Any: Incoming calls as well as media data are permitted from anywhere |
03:24.10 | drmessano | There you go |
03:24.34 | UncleKiwi | mmm i feel better knowing what 'it' was |
03:24.51 | drmessano | If there is a SIP checkbox |
03:24.54 | drmessano | In any firewall |
03:24.57 | drmessano | Dont do it |
03:25.06 | UncleKiwi | cheers mate |
03:25.08 | UncleKiwi | :) |
03:25.18 | UncleKiwi | i know that rule but i broke it |
03:25.27 | UncleKiwi | never again |
03:26.03 | drmessano | In this case.. the help text clearly tells you that you messed up.. But in actual practice, "SIP Helpers" are variable as can be |
03:26.10 | drmessano | So just do it yourself |
03:26.34 | UncleKiwi | i agree |
03:26.45 | drmessano | If you had an "Email helper" box, would you put an open relay behind it? :) |
03:27.03 | UncleKiwi | no |
03:27.07 | UncleKiwi | :) |
03:31.09 | WIMPy | Wow. That has become a long one. |
03:32.03 | UncleKiwi | yeah now im tired |
03:32.27 | WIMPy | I wish I was... |
03:32.39 | UncleKiwi | could be that i just ate a roast chicken meal |
03:33.43 | UncleKiwi | just curious can i use the asterisk logo on my website |
03:33.48 | UncleKiwi | or marketing material |
03:34.05 | UncleKiwi | i wonder what the rules are with that |
03:35.38 | UncleKiwi | http://www.asterisk.org/trademarks |
03:35.42 | UncleKiwi | ok google helped |
03:35.46 | UncleKiwi | :)\ |
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07:09.55 | davlefou | Hi, how i get an number from caller? |
07:16.32 | ChannelZ | Maybe you want Read() |
07:21.50 | davlefou | I ll watch. |
07:21.55 | davlefou | tks |
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07:39.30 | wyoung | davlefou: callerid? |
07:45.02 | davlefou | wyoung, callrid, why? I need to get code postal. |
07:48.22 | wyoung | oh a DTMF |
07:48.41 | wyoung | not their phone number :) |
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12:40.31 | zappaFan | Hi there people. I'm running a lab simmulation with some other colleagues and need to simulate a SIP provider with which we'll communicate via SIP trunks |
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12:41.29 | zappaFan | as soon as we reach that "central" server, aka sip provider, we'll listen a different recording depending on the number we're dialing from |
12:42.34 | zappaFan | I kind of know how to do this but feel a bit lost when it comes to outbound/inbound routes. I'm using freePBX, any help/example is welcome |
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13:14.22 | roxlu | Hi |
13:15.03 | roxlu | Someone around who maybe knows if it's possible to distinguish between SRTP and SRTCP packets? |
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15:12.22 | roxlu | stefan27: ah yeah sorry, I see what you mean; |
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17:51.19 | file | stefan27, RTP is an even port number, RTCP is an odd port number |
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19:34.04 | raspberrypifan | i have a working asterisk install can i move it away from root now |
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20:36.38 | drmessano | I would email root and ask him first |
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20:52.45 | danielyk | Hi, I have updated asterisk to 13.10.0 today and got following warning (before make install): Your Asterisk modules directory, located at |
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20:53.09 | danielyk | Can I delete these modules without worry? |
20:53.27 | WIMPy | You should. |
20:53.48 | WIMPy | And if you need them, you should configure your new version again. |
20:54.33 | danielyk | I do not know for what these modules are used... |
20:56.55 | danielyk | Can someone summarize what the purpose of the modules is? |
20:58.12 | danielyk | Or are that all standard modules from the old version 11? |
20:58.44 | file | they are old modules from a previous version |
20:59.24 | danielyk | Thanks @file |
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