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| 06:08.05 | RudyValencia | Hi, are there any open-source and/or free Asterisk server appliances that come with a GUI available? |
| 06:09.26 | [TK]D-Fender | RudyValencia, Digium's Switchvox & FreePBX also has appliances |
| 06:09.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Actually Switchvox is closed, FreePBX is "mostly" free. |
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| 07:13.23 | sbrath | Odd Question: I have a client that I have noticed has had all his VOIP phones changed to use a STUN server somewhere in germany. ( He's in the US ) So he was hacked, but what would setting up a STUN server on his phones get you, since his asterisk server is not externally connectable? |
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| 07:20.57 | Penguin | Does the media flow through the remote server? |
| 07:21.21 | sbrath | I didn't think so. |
| 07:21.47 | Penguin | If only the signaling goes through the STUN server, then I don't see a lot to gain. |
| 07:22.22 | Penguin | If media flows through it, lots of sensitive information can be spoken and recording/listening to it could reveal useful things. |
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| 07:23.49 | sbrath | They might see the password for the phone I guess. |
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| 08:19.39 | psiforce | is there anyway to disable the call pickup feature code defined in features.conf |
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| 08:32.48 | Penguin | Don't put your peers in pickupgroups and they shouldn't have access to the pickup code. |
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| 08:47.19 | Penguin | Or, rather, don't assign pickupgroup/callgroup to the peers. |
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| 17:09.09 | *** topic/#asterisk is #asterisk The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- LTS: 13.0.1 (2014/11/20), 11.14.1 (2014/11/20), 1.8.32.1 (2014/11/20); Standard: 12.7.1 (2014/11/20); DAHDI: DAHDI-linux 2.10.0 (2014/08/13), DAHDI-tools 2.10.0 (2014/08/13); libpri 1.4.15 (2014/06/16) -=- Visit the official Asterisk wiki: wiki.asterisk.org -=- Read the Code of Conduct bit.ly/1hH6P22 |
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| 17:29.58 | Kobaz | http://www.regexcrossword.com |
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| 19:25.49 | nasomi | i have access to a few of these phones for free, anyone know if htey will work? http://www.biocomp.net/o78755.htm |
| 19:26.40 | [TK]D-Fender | The description tells you exactly what they will work with... |
| 19:26.43 | Penguin | It says good condition, so I can only guess that means it works. |
| 19:26.44 | [TK]D-Fender | "The Partner 18 telephone is compatible with Partner, Partner Plus, Partner II, or Partner ACS" |
| 19:26.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Is this not as clear to you as it is to us? |
| 19:27.09 | nasomi | it's not, no |
| 19:27.30 | [TK]D-Fender | "This Pre-Owned-Recycled lucent avaya partner endeavor 18 pbx speaker phone" |
| 19:27.34 | Penguin | You want to know if the phones work... they probably work since it says they are in good condition. |
| 19:27.36 | [TK]D-Fender | That is a phone made for THSOE systems |
| 19:27.40 | [TK]D-Fender | it is not a SIP phone. |
| 19:27.53 | [TK]D-Fender | It is a DIGITAL 2-wire phone for a proprietary system |
| 19:28.02 | Penguin | Now we've gone from does it work to something else. |
| 19:28.03 | nasomi | i don't know what those phone systems are, and didn't know if it was an SIP system |
| 19:28.17 | nasomi | so i asked |
| 19:28.24 | [TK]D-Fender | It speaks its own protocol to their special hardware |
| 19:28.24 | Penguin | You asked if it works. |
| 19:28.26 | nasomi | and you hopped rightu p on your high horse |
| 19:28.32 | nasomi | i meant with astrisk |
| 19:28.32 | Penguin | It probably works. |
| 19:28.44 | Penguin | Oh, works with asterisk? That's totally different. |
| 19:28.49 | [TK]D-Fender | It is a digital phone for the system it was designed for |
| 19:29.03 | nasomi | being that i asked in #astrisk, i thought that was implied |
| 19:29.05 | nasomi | my mistake |
| 19:29.09 | Penguin | Yep, the listing says exactly what systems the phone is compatible with. |
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| 19:29.33 | Penguin | It's not an IP phone. |
| 19:29.45 | nasomi | so if a phone doesn't specifically say astrisk, then it's not compatible with astrisk? |
| 19:29.56 | Penguin | That's not quite what I said. |
| 19:30.21 | nasomi | i don't know phone systems, or ip from non-ip phones, |
| 19:30.28 | [TK]D-Fender | No, it is a digital phone. |
| 19:30.34 | [TK]D-Fender | It requires a very special hardware interface |
| 19:30.52 | Penguin | When it comes to working with asterisk, you have a few choices. One would be an IP phone which speaks a compatible language, such as SIP, IAX, MGCP, or SCCP. |
| 19:30.59 | [TK]D-Fender | And that manufacturer doesn't make any kind of interface that Asterisk can talk to |
| 19:31.23 | [TK]D-Fender | And nobody else seems to hav made one that does it either |
| 19:31.26 | Penguin | The other would be a regular analog bell telephone. But that requires a special interface. |
| 19:31.46 | nasomi | so that phone is effectively a multi line regular analog phone |
| 19:31.48 | nasomi | right? |
| 19:31.49 | [TK]D-Fender | no |
| 19:31.52 | Penguin | no |
| 19:31.55 | nasomi | oh |
| 19:31.55 | [TK]D-Fender | it is a DIGITAL PHONE |
| 19:31.58 | Penguin | It's a digital phone for the systems listed. |
| 19:32.03 | nasomi | yes, yes, i remember you saying that |
| 19:32.09 | nasomi | i got confused for a moment |
| 19:32.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Multiple times |
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| 19:32.25 | [TK]D-Fender | <[TK]D-Fender> It is a DIGITAL 2-wire phone for a proprietary system |
| 19:32.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Their special protocol to talk to their special system only. |
| 19:32.57 | [TK]D-Fender | <[TK]D-Fender> And nobody else seems to hav made one that does it either |
| 19:33.08 | Penguin | I suggest concentrating on a SIP phone for use with asterisk. |
| 19:33.23 | nasomi | so, proprietary |
| 19:33.42 | Penguin | The Avaya is a proprietary system. |
| 19:33.50 | [TK]D-Fender | There is a company that makes SIP gateways for SOME popular digital handsets, but that's only for the desparate, because the cost/port hardly makes sense for the majority of cases |
| 19:34.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Well.. that Avaya anyway |
| 19:34.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Avay does also make SIP based solutions in the past decade. But this isn't it |
| 19:34.41 | nasomi | my brother has a handfull of those phones left over when he upgraded his store. i don't know anything about them |
| 19:34.58 | nasomi | is the lucent 6408 series good? |
| 19:35.05 | nasomi | it says ip phone |
| 19:35.05 | Penguin | And Avaya IP (SIP) phones are supposed to be pretty nice. I haven't used any, though. |
| 19:35.28 | nasomi | http://www.amazon.com/Avaya-6408D-Phone-Gray/dp/B0018JXEJQ |
| 19:35.32 | nasomi | like that guy? |
| 19:35.45 | Penguin | I don't think lucent 6408 is an IP phone either. |
| 19:36.08 | nasomi | Compatible with Lucent Definity phone system Rel 6.1 & higher or an Avaya IP Office system |
| 19:36.16 | nasomi | does that mean avaya's special IP system? |
| 19:36.35 | [TK]D-Fender | no |
| 19:36.42 | Penguin | It means thay phone will work with a proprietary Avaya system which is named "IP Office." |
| 19:36.51 | [TK]D-Fender | the Avaya IP office platform also supports their old DIGITAL sets |
| 19:37.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Nothing I see says "standards-compliant VoIP phone" |
| 19:37.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Where do you see this? |
| 19:37.13 | Penguin | That's not an IP phone, though. |
| 19:37.25 | nasomi | it doesn't say not standard complient voip phone either though |
| 19:37.36 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi> it says ip phone <- where? |
| 19:37.55 | Penguin | Also, if it comes with a 2- or 4-wire phone cord, it's not likely to be an IP phone. Look in the box. |
| 19:38.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Compatible with Lucent Definity phone system Rel 6.1 & higher or an Avaya IP Office system |
| 19:38.12 | nasomi | oh, i misread it |
| 19:38.14 | Penguin | It doesn't say "ip phone," it says it works with the IP Office. |
| 19:38.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Definity is a DIGITAL system |
| 19:38.25 | [TK]D-Fender | which says what this phone is... |
| 19:38.59 | nasomi | so ip phone == voip phone? |
| 19:39.04 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, save yourself a lot of grief and stop looking at old digital junk. Yes, I'm sure it's cheap, and there's a reason. It's dead-end junk. |
| 19:39.17 | Penguin | ~voip |
| 19:39.17 | infobot | [voip] Voice over IP |
| 19:39.19 | nasomi | it's not that, i can't tell one from the other |
| 19:39.52 | Penguin | If it doesn't say SIP, keep looking. |
| 19:39.53 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Go look at the connector, protocol, and systems it interfaces with. That will tell you. Can you see it list a standard you know * supports? |
| 19:40.40 | WIMPy | Maybe everyone calls it dead, but so far it's the only sensible reliable stuff you can get. |
| 19:40.52 | Penguin | Let's take a look at this: http://www.metrolinedirect.com/avaya-9611g-global-ip-phone.html |
| 19:40.54 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Pretty much forget anything from Avaya, Lucent (which was bought by Avaya), Nortel, Panasonic, Alcatel, NEC. |
| 19:41.28 | nasomi | i like nortel |
| 19:41.31 | Penguin | You'll see the name of the device says "IP" in it. Then look at the description. It says "SIP" in it. |
| 19:41.33 | nasomi | i have two nortel poe switches |
| 19:41.51 | nasomi | with avaya's enterprise device manager |
| 19:42.09 | nasomi | that's why i got looking at poe phones for my house |
| 19:42.14 | Penguin | SIP isn't proprietary, though. |
| 19:42.26 | [TK]D-Fender | It can be |
| 19:42.27 | nasomi | nortel was bought by avaya too |
| 19:42.44 | Penguin | You can use PoE in your house with IP phones. I do. |
| 19:42.49 | [TK]D-Fender | Several systems use extra stuff outside the basic RFC's that make inter-op a nightmare |
| 19:43.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Of course not listing even a basic protocol * supports is a no-go |
| 19:43.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Penguin, that model you listed has H.323 and SIP versions. Wonder how hard it is to flash between them and where you get the SW from... |
| 19:43.56 | nasomi | http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/collaboration-endpoints/unified-ip-phone-7941g/product_data_sheet0900aecd802ff012.html |
| 19:44.12 | nasomi | when i search for ip phone that seems to come up more than once |
| 19:44.16 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Cisco 79XX series are more trouble than they are worth. |
| 19:44.24 | Penguin | Unless they are free! |
| 19:44.32 | Penguin | (or only a few dollars) |
| 19:44.32 | nasomi | compatability or reliability? |
| 19:44.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Penguin, At which that's only only slightly less ;) |
| 19:45.01 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, pasin in the ass to get software support for, limitation on call handling, etc |
| 19:45.02 | Penguin | The SIP firmware for the 7900 series phones is very bare. It does make calls, but that's about it. |
| 19:45.12 | nasomi | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nortel-1140E-VOIP-IP-Phone-NTYS05-/301409093147?pt=US_VoIP_Home_Phones&hash=item462d61c61b |
| 19:45.16 | nasomi | something liek that? |
| 19:45.21 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, You are shopping for pain vs using known well used brands & models |
| 19:45.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Nortel is MORE crap |
| 19:45.54 | nasomi | i'm just trying to call my wife in hte kitchen from my home office in the basement without transversing the house |
| 19:46.02 | nasomi | ooh |
| 19:46.04 | nasomi | you said forget anything |
| 19:46.07 | nasomi | i missed the forget part |
| 19:46.15 | [TK]D-Fender | ... |
| 19:46.20 | nasomi | reading is hard, mmkay |
| 19:46.29 | nasomi | i was looking for those brands |
| 19:46.32 | nasomi | butif they're out |
| 19:46.52 | Penguin | I use Cisco 7900 series phones. I've used SIP and I use SCCP on them. |
| 19:46.52 | nasomi | what brands are good and cheap |
| 19:47.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Cisco 500 series |
| 19:47.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycom |
| 19:47.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Aastra |
| 19:47.30 | Penguin | The SIP firmware is okay, but don't expect anything fancy from it. |
| 19:47.33 | nasomi | oh i like polycom, i used to use them for teleconferencing |
| 19:47.44 | [TK]D-Fender | These are the better quality better supported choices where you are. |
| 19:48.03 | Penguin | You can buy a decent Polycom on ebay for about the same price as the Cisco. |
| 19:48.23 | nasomi | i see a lot of 5 cisco spa 504g phones |
| 19:48.31 | Penguin | Those are okay, too. |
| 19:48.45 | Penguin | Just don't pay too much for them. |
| 19:48.53 | nasomi | 113 for 5 |
| 19:49.00 | Penguin | Check market value by looking at previously sold items on ebay. |
| 19:49.18 | Penguin | Make sure you get all the necessary parts. |
| 19:49.27 | nasomi | yeah i see a lot without handsets |
| 19:49.30 | Penguin | Some people like to sell just a phone base and keep the handsets. |
| 19:49.40 | nasomi | that's kind of dumb |
| 19:49.40 | Penguin | (like you just found out) |
| 19:49.46 | Penguin | It's very irritating. |
| 19:49.53 | nasomi | what good are handsets without bases |
| 19:50.07 | Penguin | People break handsets and need to replace them sometimes. |
| 19:50.15 | [TK]D-Fender | To sell to people who screw theirs up |
| 19:50.26 | nasomi | how do you screw up a handset |
| 19:50.34 | nasomi | cord, i can see |
| 19:50.39 | [TK]D-Fender | "oops I dropped it and the reciever cracked" |
| 19:50.52 | Penguin | Ever beat your co-worker to death with a handset before? |
| 19:50.57 | nasomi | tempted |
| 19:50.57 | [TK]D-Fender | "I I tried taking the cord out with a screwdriver and not it won't hold the cable anymore" |
| 19:51.05 | [TK]D-Fender | People do stupid things all the time. |
| 19:51.13 | Penguin | Every. Single. Day. |
| 19:51.21 | nasomi | what about something that has a good quality speaker phone |
| 19:51.21 | Penguin | It's very annoying! |
| 19:51.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Like buying digital equipment that won't interface with anything modern |
| 19:51.29 | Penguin | haha |
| 19:51.29 | nasomi | like gets loud and pciks up well |
| 19:51.32 | nasomi | as long as you're in the same room |
| 19:51.38 | Penguin | Polycom |
| 19:51.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycom is king as far as speakerphones go |
| 19:52.01 | [TK]D-Fender | They actual built Cisco's |
| 19:52.13 | [TK]D-Fender | (oroginally) |
| 19:52.14 | Penguin | I guess my Cisco 7960s are probably built by Polycom. |
| 19:52.32 | Penguin | They have pretty good speakerphones. |
| 19:52.35 | nasomi | i had an awesome polycom system back in the day. 2 cameras, 12 microphones built into the table, cameras would turn to whoever was talking based on volume pickup |
| 19:52.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Penguin, I'd bet more like licensed or collaborated |
| 19:53.47 | nasomi | polycom ip 500? |
| 19:53.59 | nasomi | soundpoint |
| 19:54.03 | Penguin | I don't think I've used a 500. |
| 19:54.30 | nasomi | it says no ac adapter |
| 19:54.35 | nasomi | if i have poe though do i need one? |
| 19:54.45 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Avoid the 500 specifically. |
| 19:54.54 | nasomi | v.v |
| 19:55.20 | Penguin | Do you need multiple line keys? If yes, how many? |
| 19:55.21 | [TK]D-Fender | 501 is OK, but make sur of which cable it comes with : PoE vs in-line brick |
| 19:55.38 | [TK]D-Fender | do not touch the 300 either, 301 is like the 501 |
| 19:56.04 | nasomi | i don't want power plugs, i want to use poe exclusively |
| 19:56.21 | nasomi | i htought all ip phones were poe compatible |
| 19:56.26 | nasomi | i guess not |
| 19:56.29 | Penguin | I may only need one SIP registration, so one key for that... but I also like to use other line keys for speed dials or buddy subscriptions. |
| 19:56.55 | nasomi | the plan is a single external line, and 8 phones in the house in various rooms |
| 19:57.59 | nasomi | here's a polycom soundpoint ip 501 sip business phone |
| 19:58.02 | nasomi | with handset |
| 19:58.36 | Penguin | http://www.pcliquidations.com/p17346-polycom-soundpoint-ip-650 |
| 19:59.12 | nasomi | http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLYCOM-SOUNDPOINT-IP-501-SIP-BUSINESS-Phones-2201-11501-001-Excellent-Condition-/251732714971?pt=Business_Phone_Sets_Handsets&hash=item3a9c7065db&autorefresh=true |
| 19:59.41 | Penguin | http://www.pcliquidations.com/p10248-polycom-soundpoint-ip-450 |
| 20:00.03 | Penguin | http://www.pcliquidations.com/p14657-polycom-soundpoint-ip-330 |
| 20:00.40 | [TK]D-Fender | <nasomi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLYCOM-SOUNDPOINT-IP-501-SIP-BUSINESS-Phones-2201-11501-001-Excellent-Condition-/251732714971?pt=Business_Phone_Sets_Handsets&hash=item3a9c7065db&autorefresh=true <- missing the power cable |
| 20:00.53 | Penguin | http://www.pcliquidations.com/p15693-polycom-soundpoint-ip-331 |
| 20:00.58 | nasomi | but do i need a power cable if i'm using poe? |
| 20:01.12 | Penguin | I guess the 331 is a little better than the 330, and it's only a few dollars more. |
| 20:01.14 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, There are TWO different spcial cables required for the 30X/50X. One is for 802.3af, the other is an in-line brick |
| 20:01.14 | nasomi | or is there a breakout to supply power seperately |
| 20:01.31 | nasomi | oh you need a special thing |
| 20:01.36 | nasomi | i have 802.3af available |
| 20:02.06 | Penguin | I just listed a bunch of good phones with good prices. |
| 20:02.14 | nasomi | yes i'm looking at them |
| 20:02.35 | nasomi | but some of hte prices are a bit hard to swallow |
| 20:02.51 | nasomi | the 330 isn't bad |
| 20:02.59 | Penguin | It just depends on what you want. |
| 20:03.28 | Penguin | I would probably by the 650 because I need a bunch of line keys. |
| 20:03.37 | nasomi | what is a line key? |
| 20:03.40 | Penguin | Maybe you don't. You didn't answer my question about it. |
| 20:03.56 | nasomi | i want to install asterisk on a spare server and call my wife at the other end of the house |
| 20:04.03 | Penguin | Think of a key system. line 1, line 2, etc |
| 20:04.12 | nasomi | ok multi lines |
| 20:04.17 | nasomi | multiple concurrent calls |
| 20:04.18 | nasomi | right? |
| 20:04.34 | Penguin | IP phone line keys are similar in that they allow for multiple configurations per key. |
| 20:05.00 | Penguin | If you needed to register to more than one asterisk system, multiple line keys would be used for that. |
| 20:05.35 | Penguin | If you needed different registrations on the same asterisk to put your calls into different contexts, multiple line keys would be good for that. |
| 20:05.52 | nasomi | that sounds a lot more complex than i need |
| 20:06.04 | nasomi | or understand |
| 20:06.31 | Penguin | If you're like me, you want BLF to see what other people in the building are doing with their phones -- on the phone, has a call on hold -- and also a fast way to reach someone else (because it's a speed dial button too). |
| 20:06.46 | nasomi | BLF? |
| 20:06.53 | *** join/#asterisk u0m3 (~u0m3@92.80.68.195) |
| 20:07.01 | [TK]D-Fender | ~blf |
| 20:07.01 | infobot | from memory, blf is Busy Lamp Field, aka little lights next to speed dials that light up when the person is on the phone and blink when that line is ringing. hint extensions are static mapped to SIP or other channels. |
| 20:07.05 | Penguin | Is this your first day in telephones? |
| 20:07.16 | nasomi | i'm an accountant |
| 20:07.29 | nasomi | finance/accounting |
| 20:07.57 | nasomi | i've gone as far as using my avaya phone in my office |
| 20:08.03 | nasomi | at work |
| 20:08.16 | nasomi | when i have voicemail a red light lights up |
| 20:08.20 | *** join/#asterisk SpeedEvil (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 20:08.39 | [TK]D-Fender | that is MWI which is quite separate |
| 20:08.59 | nasomi | and i hate hte voicemail system because it requires a new password every 30 days, which cannot be any sequence of numbers, must be 6 digits long, and cannot be any past passwords |
| 20:09.06 | [TK]D-Fender | you can use BLF to minotor phone status, special information you set up on your system, etc |
| 20:09.23 | Penguin | Imagine the person in the next office talking on the phone and you can see with a little light on your phone that he is "In Use" without calling or walking over there. |
| 20:09.41 | Penguin | He hangs up, your light goes off. Now you can call him. |
| 20:09.51 | nasomi | that is not something i'm concerned with |
| 20:10.09 | nasomi | the system will be used by me, my wife, and our two kids |
| 20:10.10 | Penguin | It sounds like a single line phone might be just fine for you. |
| 20:10.23 | nasomi | i woudl like call waiting though |
| 20:10.28 | nasomi | and conferencing |
| 20:10.36 | nasomi | and |
| 20:10.36 | Penguin | You can also put software phones on your laptops/tablets/desktops. |
| 20:10.39 | nasomi | what's that thing |
| 20:10.50 | nasomi | broadcast? |
| 20:10.51 | nasomi | no |
| 20:10.59 | Penguin | Single line phones almost always support call waiting. |
| 20:11.00 | nasomi | the thing where you announce |
| 20:11.07 | Penguin | paging, intercom? |
| 20:11.15 | nasomi | intercom |
| 20:11.35 | nasomi | i want my wife to pick up the phone and hit 12, and have every phone broadcast what she says |
| 20:11.53 | Penguin | If the phone has a speakerphone and supports auto-answer, you can do intercom. |
| 20:12.03 | nasomi | ok |
| 20:12.52 | nasomi | but i basically just want to screw around in my basement |
| 20:12.58 | nasomi | get 2 phones and make one call the other |
| 20:14.11 | nasomi | dial 101 for my office, 102 for wife office, 103 for kid1, 104 for kid2, 105 for kitchen, 106 for den, 107 for living room, 108 for front door |
| 20:14.15 | nasomi | 9 for outside line |
| 20:14.30 | Penguin | NO! |
| 20:14.41 | nasomi | uh oh |
| 20:14.46 | Penguin | When you need to call outside the house, just dial the number you want. |
| 20:14.53 | Penguin | No more of this 9 bullshit. |
| 20:14.57 | nasomi | i like 9 |
| 20:15.06 | Penguin | Just dial the regular number. |
| 20:15.25 | nasomi | but what about area codes |
| 20:15.29 | Penguin | dial it. |
| 20:15.32 | nasomi | they can mess with internal calling |
| 20:15.37 | nasomi | if htey have the same prefix |
| 20:15.41 | Penguin | Then you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:15.45 | nasomi | probably |
| 20:16.03 | Penguin | There are no US area codes that start with 1, and you were using 10X for all your internal numbers. |
| 20:16.07 | nasomi | no area codes start iwth 1 |
| 20:16.25 | nasomi | oh |
| 20:16.27 | Penguin | 2XX-2XX-XXXX |
| 20:16.41 | nasomi | if i have one external line and someone calls out, hten someone picks up a different phone and calls out, what happens |
| 20:16.59 | Penguin | How is this line connected to your asterisk system? |
| 20:17.10 | nasomi | one of those cards |
| 20:17.12 | nasomi | in the server |
| 20:17.14 | nasomi | over copper |
| 20:17.18 | nasomi | analog |
| 20:17.19 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Depends on your dialplan |
| 20:17.26 | Penguin | The person will get a congestion tone in most configurations. |
| 20:17.33 | Penguin | "already used" |
| 20:17.35 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, YOU choose how your system reacts |
| 20:17.40 | nasomi | neat |
| 20:17.42 | Penguin | But you can make it do whatever you want. |
| 20:18.08 | nasomi | for incoming calls, |
| 20:18.27 | nasomi | automated system press 1 for 1, 2 for 2, etc, 9 for all phones ring? |
| 20:18.30 | Penguin | There are two common ways to deal with incoming calls. |
| 20:18.41 | Penguin | Auto attendant, press key for someone |
| 20:18.54 | Penguin | or straight to a ring group. |
| 20:18.56 | nasomi | which would excelently deal with the 5-10 spam calls a day |
| 20:19.53 | Penguin | A simple auto attendant (digital receptionist) will stop a lot of telemarketers. |
| 20:20.00 | Penguin | I guess they don't have keypads to enter dtmf. |
| 20:21.38 | Penguin | You can also whitelist or automatically "route" certain calls based on the callerID number so they will avoid getting the AA. |
| 20:22.35 | ChannelZ | I have a simple 'press 3 if you're a human' and my phone never rings. Quite effective |
| 20:23.04 | nasomi | dtmf? |
| 20:23.08 | Penguin | ~dtmf |
| 20:23.08 | infobot | DTMF: Dual Tone Multi-Frequency. The technical term describing Touch Tone dialing. Basically the combining of two tones, one low frequency and one high frequency. |
| 20:23.52 | nasomi | transfer calls as well? |
| 20:23.57 | Penguin | For the office, I tested out a concept of having to press 1 for English. There were no other options. You'd either press 1 for English and continue on in the dialplan, or you wouldn't get through. |
| 20:23.59 | nasomi | transfer, extension, transfer again, hang up |
| 20:24.10 | Penguin | Asterisk does that, too! |
| 20:24.15 | nasomi | mmm |
| 20:24.20 | nasomi | wife just called |
| 20:24.22 | nasomi | across the house |
| 20:24.30 | nasomi | i reall y want a sytem in place |
| 20:25.24 | nasomi | but i would need a transfer button on hte phone as well right? |
| 20:25.37 | nasomi | or can i program the buttons to do as i want |
| 20:25.59 | ChannelZ | You can do DTMF transfer |
| 20:26.24 | Penguin | Most phones have a transfer key, but if you don't, there's always DTMF transfers. |
| 20:26.40 | nasomi | i'll figure that out when i get there |
| 20:27.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Plan first |
| 20:27.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Kknow what your phones will support before you waste money |
| 20:28.02 | nasomi | so some phones require a special cable to accept poe, right? |
| 20:29.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Only Polycom IP 30X / 50X |
| 20:29.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Any other phone that lists PoE typically takes it direct |
| 20:30.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Not all phone even support PoE |
| 20:30.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Like I said... read up on your phone choices. |
| 20:30.19 | nasomi | polycom 430? |
| 20:30.28 | [TK]D-Fender | direct PoE |
| 20:30.42 | nasomi | a suitable choice? |
| 20:30.43 | [TK]D-Fender | And separate external brick optional |
| 20:30.53 | [TK]D-Fender | it'll do |
| 20:31.04 | [TK]D-Fender | waht else is available in the same ballpark? |
| 20:31.14 | nasomi | i just searched for poe phone |
| 20:31.21 | [TK]D-Fender | you should probably bring us a list of ones you like so we can advise between them |
| 20:31.26 | nasomi | and it's the cheapest at 18.25 with free shipping and guaranteed working |
| 20:31.38 | nasomi | wellt her's a 3com for $16 |
| 20:31.45 | [TK]D-Fender | don't jsut search for "PoE". Not every ad will list that charateristic even if it does support it |
| 20:32.08 | nasomi | there's a lot of crap too |
| 20:32.14 | nasomi | but i t's a starting point |
| 20:32.25 | nasomi | also there's that cisco 7xxx you said to avoid |
| 20:32.40 | Penguin | If it's cheap, I would consider it. |
| 20:32.53 | Penguin | I use Cisco 7900 series exclusively at home. |
| 20:33.18 | nasomi | http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Com-2101PE-basic-IP-PoE-display-phone-655-0113-01-3C10248PE-NO-AC-ADAPTER-/141475374117?pt=US_VoIP_Business_Phones_IP_PBX&hash=item20f096e425 |
| 20:33.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Several of the Cisco 7900 family are pre-802.3af standard under Cisco's proprietary PoE "standard" |
| 20:33.56 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Cheap junk |
| 20:34.01 | nasomi | i thought so |
| 20:34.08 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, The IP 430 is 10x the phone that 3com is. |
| 20:34.18 | nasomi | http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLYCOM-SOUNDPOINT-IP-430-SIP-VOIP-POE-PHONE-Genuine-Units-Working-/251732856172?pt=Business_Phone_Sets_Handsets&hash=item3a9c728d6c |
| 20:34.18 | Penguin | and $2 more |
| 20:34.23 | nasomi | yeah |
| 20:34.43 | Penguin | $2 is nothing. Go for the Polycom if everything works. |
| 20:35.09 | [TK]D-Fender | there is a serious problem with that ad |
| 20:35.10 | nasomi | i think the polycom is a good starting point |
| 20:35.16 | nasomi | oh? |
| 20:35.21 | [TK]D-Fender | NO BASE |
| 20:35.35 | nasomi | i don't understand |
| 20:35.37 | [TK]D-Fender | "Does not include: any other part or accessory not shown in picture." |
| 20:35.55 | [TK]D-Fender | there is a flat plastic BASE for it to sit on your desk or rto wallmount |
| 20:35.56 | nasomi | isn't the base the thing iwth the buttons? |
| 20:36.00 | [TK]D-Fender | it is clearly NOT in the pictures |
| 20:36.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Expect it NOT to have it just like the ad warns |
| 20:36.16 | nasomi | oh i see what you mean |
| 20:36.21 | nasomi | that plastic thing |
| 20:36.30 | nasomi | gotcha |
| 20:36.36 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, "flat shit that allows it not to fall over on your desk" |
| 20:36.43 | *** join/#asterisk Vutral (ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral) |
| 20:36.59 | nasomi | that's a bit decieving |
| 20:37.00 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, ebay is the bottom of the food-chain and full of trolls |
| 20:37.13 | nasomi | the underside picture looks like it has those humps to support it |
| 20:37.14 | Penguin | Take everything literally. |
| 20:37.21 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Remember that "reading" part? It is VERY important or imatience will bite you in the ass |
| 20:37.50 | nasomi | would a system have to be 2 line to do conferencing? |
| 20:37.58 | Penguin | system? |
| 20:37.59 | [TK]D-Fender | the phone always came WITH the base. I'm betting they ripped them right off the wll, etc abnd wrecked them or some such and are trying to liquidate them |
| 20:38.37 | Penguin | If you mean asterisk, it will conference anything that you can get into it. |
| 20:38.52 | nasomi | sorry i meant a phone |
| 20:39.12 | Penguin | The phone just needs one line key to conference, since asterisk will handle the conference. |
| 20:39.29 | nasomi | on astrisk, a phone would have to be 2 line to press hold, call another internal line, and conference them together? |
| 20:39.38 | Penguin | no |
| 20:39.45 | nasomi | ok |
| 20:39.47 | Penguin | Each line key is capable of multiple calls. |
| 20:40.09 | Penguin | The term "line" is a historical thing, really. VoIP doesn't have lines. |
| 20:40.40 | Penguin | Unfortunately, the buttons are usually still called line keys. |
| 20:40.47 | WIMPy | Try to tell that the phone manufacturers. |
| 20:40.53 | Penguin | brb, got to get a drink. |
| 20:41.20 | nasomi | i wish nortel's phones were as good as their switches |
| 20:44.27 | Penguin | Does Nortel make IP phones? |
| 20:44.31 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 20:44.39 | [TK]D-Fender | at least when they still really existed |
| 20:44.55 | nasomi | now avaya owns them |
| 20:44.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Most were UNISTIM models for the craptastic BCM series |
| 20:45.02 | nasomi | or at least bought hteir lines and service plans |
| 20:45.26 | Penguin | Oh, okay. I've seen chan_unistim and never knew what phones would require it. |
| 20:45.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Just Nortel's |
| 20:45.51 | nasomi | what's unistim? |
| 20:45.54 | nasomi | ~unistim |
| 20:45.58 | nasomi | beh |
| 20:46.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Which is like some HS student saying "Hey I need a project implementing something nobody in the real world should want to do!" |
| 20:46.22 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Nortel's proprietary VoIP protocol. |
| 20:46.52 | nasomi | so you'd need a nortel pbx to opperate it? |
| 20:47.06 | Penguin | Asterisk has chan_unistim. |
| 20:48.07 | nasomi | is chan_unistim a subset of unistim? |
| 20:48.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Avoid with extreme prejudice <---- |
| 20:48.22 | [TK]D-Fender | No, it is Asterisk's driver for that protocol |
| 20:48.33 | Penguin | chan_unistim is asterisk's unistim channel driver. |
| 20:48.44 | Penguin | Just like chan_sip is the SIP channel driver. |
| 20:48.47 | nasomi | so damned much new terminology |
| 20:50.32 | *** join/#asterisk bkruse (~Adium@24.42.207.11) |
| 20:54.04 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Which is why you'll wan to be sure of these things before spending money. Details can screw you over. |
| 20:54.45 | *** join/#asterisk ThatDamnRanga (~wiretap@unaffiliated/wiretap) |
| 20:55.11 | nasomi | that's why i'm here asking |
| 20:55.45 | nasomi | so nortel is bad, because the astrisk driver to communicate iwth nortel's voip protocol sucks, right? |
| 20:56.02 | [TK]D-Fender | ALL of the bits around that suck |
| 20:56.15 | [TK]D-Fender | The phone itself in any capacity is "meh" |
| 20:56.15 | Penguin | I'd guess the driver sucks because the protocol sucks. |
| 20:56.28 | [TK]D-Fender | And the hardware itself is "meh" |
| 20:56.49 | nasomi | i guess that's why they went under |
| 20:56.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Don't buy non SIP VoIP phones. Its really jsut a wate |
| 20:57.09 | nasomi | SIP is... |
| 20:57.15 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi> i guess that's why they went under <- poor extrapolation |
| 20:57.22 | nasomi | a different protocol than unistim? |
| 20:57.23 | [TK]D-Fender | ~SIP |
| 20:57.23 | infobot | methinks sip is Session Initiation Protocol, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/sip/ (see RFC 3261) It's HIP to be SIP! |
| 20:57.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Yes |
| 20:57.45 | nasomi | ok so there's varying protocol's |
| 20:58.01 | nasomi | is there a reliable list of protocol options? |
| 20:58.10 | nasomi | is it based on manufacturer, or also by model? |
| 20:58.16 | [TK]D-Fender | VoIP is a concept. SIP, H.323, SCCP, UNISTIM, Skype, etc are protocols. |
| 20:58.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Only protocol you should be looking at is SIP |
| 20:58.34 | *** join/#asterisk liquidamber (~liquidamb@216.38.129.2) |
| 20:58.35 | nasomi | ok i've seen h.323 and sccp before |
| 20:59.01 | [TK]D-Fender | <nasomi> ok i've seen h.323 and sccp before <- Asterisk CAN speak these but does a shit job by comparison to SIP |
| 20:59.05 | Penguin | SCCP is Cisco's proprietary one. |
| 20:59.24 | nasomi | you mean sound quality wise or feature wise? |
| 20:59.32 | [TK]D-Fender | SUPORT wise |
| 20:59.35 | [TK]D-Fender | features |
| 20:59.42 | nasomi | ok |
| 21:00.17 | nasomi | here's a polycom 600 |
| 21:00.21 | nasomi | sip, poe |
| 21:00.29 | nasomi | seems like features that i want |
| 21:00.42 | nasomi | can dhcp |
| 21:01.44 | [TK]D-Fender | ip 600 is a pretty solid phone |
| 21:01.47 | *** join/#asterisk _D-Boy_ (~D-Boy@unaffiliated/cain) |
| 21:01.48 | [TK]D-Fender | I have a ton of those |
| 21:02.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Good speakerphone, etc, native 802.3af |
| 21:02.15 | nasomi | ok, i wasn't sure, because you said the 300 and 500 were bad, but 301 and 501 were ok, so i was wondering if x00 itself was poor |
| 21:02.17 | [TK]D-Fender | MicroBrowser support |
| 21:02.20 | liquidamber | why the 600 over the 500? seems like the 5 is a better deal |
| 21:02.40 | [TK]D-Fender | liquidamber, you haven't looked at the difference... |
| 21:02.56 | liquidamber | which is why i'm asking |
| 21:03.22 | [TK]D-Fender | liquidamber, 500 requires a special cable, has a much lower res screen, half the line-keys, DOESN'T support the MicroBrowser, etc |
| 21:03.33 | liquidamber | not out of lazyness, i can look at the spec sheet, just wondering what your personal take on it was |
| 21:03.36 | liquidamber | special cable? |
| 21:03.39 | nasomi | non-native poe |
| 21:03.42 | liquidamber | no 802.3af? ah wtf |
| 21:03.43 | nasomi | you need a breakout cable for it |
| 21:03.50 | [TK]D-Fender | You're comparing a Toyota Tercel to a Camry |
| 21:03.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Not the same class of vehicle |
| 21:04.11 | liquidamber | yeah, i haven't touched the new product line yet |
| 21:04.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Of course the lower-end model is cheaper |
| 21:04.25 | [TK]D-Fender | liquidamber, Both of those lines are old |
| 21:04.34 | nasomi | actually the 600 is only 22.65 |
| 21:04.52 | nasomi | i'm going to ask him for quotes for combined shipping and if base is included |
| 21:05.15 | [TK]D-Fender | that would be a great deal on a phone that is known to work well with * and supports all the good stuff. |
| 21:05.23 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Got a link? |
| 21:05.38 | nasomi | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Polycom-SoundPoint-IP-600-SIP-PoE-/111528396878? |
| 21:05.58 | [TK]D-Fender | You can see the bas on it |
| 21:06.04 | nasomi | but it doesn't say base included |
| 21:06.16 | nasomi | oh wait it's only qty 1 |
| 21:06.25 | nasomi | i must have confused it with another i saw |
| 21:06.28 | nasomi | that had more than one |
| 21:06.46 | [TK]D-Fender | at $10 he's practically giving it away |
| 21:06.54 | nasomi | yeah |
| 21:07.51 | nasomi | when i narrow down to poe sip phone |
| 21:07.58 | nasomi | it seems to give pretty clean results |
| 21:08.11 | nasomi | as far as actual potential phones |
| 21:08.22 | nasomi | then exclude the 300 and 500 lines |
| 21:08.46 | nasomi | these cisco 7940g keep popping up |
| 21:08.50 | nasomi | http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=poe+phone&_sop=15&LH_BIN=1&_from=R40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.Xpoe+phone+sip&_nkw=poe+phone+sip&_sacat=0 |
| 21:08.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycom models to consider : 32X,33X,430, 450, 550, 6XX |
| 21:09.22 | nasomi | not 501? |
| 21:09.27 | [TK]D-Fender | <nasomi> these cisco 7940g keep popping up <- |
| 21:09.33 | [TK]D-Fender | [TK]D-Fender> Several of the Cisco 7900 family are pre-802.3af standard under Cisco's proprietary PoE "standard" |
| 21:09.36 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 21:09.45 | nasomi | yeah i saw that |
| 21:09.48 | [TK]D-Fender | 501 still needs a special cable |
| 21:09.50 | nasomi | ok |
| 21:10.00 | [TK]D-Fender | If the right one comes included, them you can consider it. Just forget the 500 though |
| 21:10.09 | coreyfarrell | I've the 320 forever... was a nice improvement from the snom I had before :) |
| 21:10.21 | [TK]D-Fender | 501 supports the microbrowser and more modern SIP images, 500 does not |
| 21:10.37 | [TK]D-Fender | IP320 is very basic, but good quality for what it is |
| 21:11.01 | nasomi | what is microbrowser |
| 21:11.06 | nasomi | you've mentined that ac opule times now |
| 21:11.06 | coreyfarrell | yup.. no bells/whistles but good quality speaker phone which is the most important feature for me :) |
| 21:12.02 | liquidamber | oh, i thought you were talking about the VVX line |
| 21:12.03 | liquidamber | lol |
| 21:12.36 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Built-in XHTML browser |
| 21:13.10 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, So you can set up a web-server on your system and make pages to allow your phone to interact more directly with the phone like feeding it status info, etc |
| 21:13.12 | nasomi | i sinceerely hope it's for phone functions and not intended to browse websites |
| 21:13.17 | nasomi | ok |
| 21:13.26 | [TK]D-Fender | it's for whatever yo make it point to |
| 21:13.31 | nasomi | oh |
| 21:13.40 | nasomi | does astrisk have an optional dhcp server? |
| 21:13.47 | [TK]D-Fender | I use mine for call-center states live on the phone, to monitor central VM boxes, etc |
| 21:13.50 | nasomi | if i wanted to put all phones on a vlan with astrisk? |
| 21:13.51 | [TK]D-Fender | status* |
| 21:14.12 | [TK]D-Fender | No, but the OS youu install * on could |
| 21:14.36 | [TK]D-Fender | VLAN is at the networking level.. that is OS-based |
| 21:14.45 | nasomi | i thought astrisk was an os |
| 21:14.49 | [TK]D-Fender | ... |
| 21:14.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Nomore than MS Word is |
| 21:15.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk is a PROGRAM |
| 21:15.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Not an operating system |
| 21:15.11 | nasomi | got it |
| 21:15.19 | nasomi | what is hte reccomended host os? |
| 21:15.26 | [TK]D-Fender | GNU/Linux |
| 21:15.40 | nasomi | any specific distro? |
| 21:15.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Anything you can intall it's pre-reqs on |
| 21:16.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Which is just about any if you know what you're doing |
| 21:16.08 | coreyfarrell | the distro you are most comfortable with |
| 21:16.10 | [TK]D-Fender | All the usuals work fine |
| 21:16.23 | nasomi | i'm not comfortable with any |
| 21:16.28 | [TK]D-Fender | RH based, Debian-based, Ubuntu, etc. |
| 21:16.28 | nasomi | but i guess i'm going to need to |
| 21:16.49 | nasomi | i like windows |
| 21:16.50 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Or you could use one of the distros that bundle * as a ready-to-roll solution |
| 21:17.00 | nasomi | yeah i was looking at that too |
| 21:17.04 | nasomi | like freepbx |
| 21:17.09 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 21:17.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Kep in mind that that includes their GUI which limits what you are able to do with your system |
| 21:17.31 | nasomi | but i want to know it well before i take shortcuts |
| 21:17.35 | nasomi | yeah |
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| 21:18.11 | [TK]D-Fender | FreePBX is pretty good at what it does, but makes getting "interesting" very difficult at many points. Depends what you want to do. |
| 21:18.22 | Penguin | I'm currently using CentOS 6 with Asterisk 11. |
| 21:18.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Having a clear idea of what it is you want would be a good thing.... |
| 21:18.49 | nasomi | i'm as clear as mud |
| 21:19.03 | nasomi | i just want to play |
| 21:19.20 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Do you have any programming experience at all? |
| 21:19.22 | Penguin | Do you want to configure asterisk from its text configuration files? Do you want to point and click your way to making phone calls? |
| 21:19.23 | nasomi | my favorite game is "enterprise datacenter" |
| 21:19.33 | nasomi | c, c++, vb |
| 21:19.39 | nasomi | sql, html |
| 21:19.46 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Then Asterisk should be a walk in the park |
| 21:19.59 | nasomi | langaues are easy |
| 21:20.04 | nasomi | it's just learning the new syntax |
| 21:20.05 | Penguin | Asterisk is easy. |
| 21:20.06 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Go ahead and pick something like the AsteriskNOW CD (www.asterisk.org) |
| 21:20.17 | [TK]D-Fender | MasterChen, And install it WITHOUT the GUI and get to playing with it |
| 21:20.20 | Penguin | That's now the FreePBX distro. |
| 21:20.26 | Penguin | There is no "No GUI" option. |
| 21:20.27 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, rather |
| 21:20.33 | nasomi | shouldn't i have a phone first? |
| 21:20.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Penguin, AsteriskNOW, not FreePBX ISO |
| 21:20.44 | Penguin | (1520.20) <Penguin> That's now the FreePBX distro. |
| 21:20.51 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Nothing stops you from learning * with a SOFT-PHONE first |
| 21:21.00 | nasomi | gotcha |
| 21:21.09 | Penguin | I'll reiterate. |
| 21:21.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Penguin, AsteriskNOW still is a separate thing you know... |
| 21:21.17 | Penguin | No, it isn't. |
| 21:21.20 | Penguin | I'll reiterate... |
| 21:21.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Penguin, Since when? |
| 21:21.35 | Penguin | The AsteriskNOW CD from the Asterisk web site is the FreePBX distro. |
| 21:21.52 | nasomi | AsteriskNOW is an ISO image that installs Linux, Asterisk and the FreePBX GUI in a single, simple install. |
| 21:22.03 | Penguin | I'm not sure the date, but AsteriskNOW 5 is the FreePBX distro from Schmooze. |
| 21:22.04 | nasomi | froma strisk.org/downloads |
| 21:22.19 | nasomi | 6.12.65-22 |
| 21:22.24 | Penguin | I was rather annoyed when I found out. |
| 21:22.50 | [TK]D-Fender | http://www.asterisk.org/downloads/asterisknow |
| 21:22.51 | nasomi | last time i looked into this astrisk wasn't prepackaged with freepbx |
| 21:23.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Nothing about that suggests Schmooze or freepbx.org as the real support place as they do directly support their ISO |
| 21:23.17 | [TK]D-Fender | that's messed up at best if accurate |
| 21:23.20 | Penguin | Be warned: The FreePBX distro does not offer a "No GUI" option. |
| 21:23.39 | Penguin | I'm just telling you. |
| 21:23.42 | nasomi | i don't see a non-freepbx ption |
| 21:23.49 | Penguin | I don't care what the web site does or does not say. |
| 21:23.55 | nasomi | wait, astrisk communication framework? |
| 21:24.08 | nasomi | is that the core astrisk? |
| 21:24.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Penguin, THAT I knew. But your saying that "AsteriskNOW" is no longer the separately rolled ISO it used to be... that's messe up... |
| 21:24.37 | Penguin | I agree. It irritated me. |
| 21:24.49 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, All of the ISO's out there INCLUDE the GUI. Previous AsteriskNOW ISO's used to make that OPTIONAL at the point of installation |
| 21:24.54 | Penguin | There's absolutely no mention of it at all. |
| 21:24.55 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm not sure about "now" |
| 21:25.13 | nasomi | i'm kind of surprised they don't use torrent to distribute it |
| 21:25.36 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, If you want to learn the prope way then just install your own OS and install * on it. |
| 21:25.48 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, There are instructions for CentOS, Ubuntu, Debian, etc |
| 21:26.10 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, Not really that hard. I learned it all over a decade ago before these pre-rolled things came about |
| 21:26.23 | Penguin | When I found out that the current asteirsknow wasn't asteirsknow at all, but was in reality the freepbx distro, I went back into the downloads site and grabbed asterisknow 3... |
| 21:26.31 | nasomi | i'm not seeing a download that doesn't prepackage everything |
| 21:26.55 | Penguin | 3 offered asterisk 11 with and without gui option, but I'm SURE I selected the no gui option, and it still installed freepbx. |
| 21:27.23 | nasomi | this guy: http://www.asterisk.org/downloads/asterisk/all-asterisk-versions |
| 21:27.24 | nasomi | ? |
| 21:29.07 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 21:29.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk 13 LTS would be the best choice. |
| 21:31.13 | nasomi | thanks |
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| 21:35.08 | [TK]D-Fender | nasomi, they have a WIKI which has detailed installation isntructions for multiple distros |
| 21:35.17 | [TK]D-Fender | and to learn how * works : |
| 21:35.18 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 21:35.18 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
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| 21:38.45 | nasomi | damn bsod |
| 21:39.08 | Penguin | My Linux computer has never blue screened. |
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| 21:39.33 | nasomi | my desktop does when i use 99% of the ram and ignore all the warnings to shut something down |
| 21:39.44 | nasomi | due to massive memory leaks due to poorly programmed webpages |
| 21:40.04 | nasomi | my servers never bsod unless i have a hardware failure |
| 21:40.18 | nasomi | which i imagine linux would react in a similar fashion |
| 21:41.16 | liquidamber | Penguin, BSOD=kernel panic :) |
| 21:41.36 | Penguin | I've seen a panic or two, but never a blue screen! |
| 21:41.57 | nasomi | it's not a blue screen anymore |
| 21:42.00 | nasomi | it's just a term now |
| 21:42.13 | Penguin | Your blue screen isn't blue? |
| 21:42.18 | nasomi | nope |
| 21:42.18 | [TK]D-Fender | <Penguin> My Linux computer has never blue screened. <- Mine is FUSCHIA! |
| 21:42.19 | nasomi | black |
| 21:42.59 | Penguin | It's not pink, it's light red! |
| 21:43.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Pink is like red but not quite! |
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