| 00:00.21 | anthm | you could however, write your own sip stack then use it in your own chan_sip so when you are forced to release your code you only need to release the channel driver and not your stack => |
| 00:00.21 | iq | drumkilla, ok I will have my boss call him or something |
| 00:00.41 | drumkilla | anthm: indeed, but I'm not trying to encourage such things ;) |
| 00:00.46 | drumkilla | iq: sounds good |
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| 00:01.21 | Capaneus | Apr xx xx:xx:xx NOTICE[31521]: chan_iax2.c 7083 socket_read rejected attpemt from 65.39.205.121. requested/capability 0x4/0x4 incompatible with our capability 0xff03 |
| 00:01.37 | bkw_ | Capaneus, I think thats clear |
| 00:01.43 | Capaneus | any ideas drumkilla |
| 00:01.48 | drumkilla | allow=ulaw |
| 00:01.58 | bkw_ | is it idiot time? |
| 00:02.06 | drumkilla | bkw_: put away the bat ... |
| 00:02.14 | bkw_ | But I wanna.. please!!!! |
| 00:02.15 | bkw_ | haha |
| 00:02.39 | ShadowMaster1 | Am I in the right place to seek help on a zaptel problem? When I look at the ZTCFG -v it shows the interfaces, but they don't seem to show in Asterisk.. |
| 00:02.54 | bkw_ | sounds like you need to configure zapata.conf too |
| 00:02.55 | drumkilla | check zapata.conf .... |
| 00:02.59 | drumkilla | dang, you beat me |
| 00:02.59 | drumkilla | :) |
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| 00:03.05 | bkw_ | MUAHHAHAHAHA |
| 00:03.05 | ShadowMaster1 | ok, just a sec |
| 00:03.12 | kram | anthm: clearly if his own chan_sip linked to his own sip stack it would still be covered by GPL |
| 00:03.17 | kram | and he would have to release the stack as well |
| 00:03.21 | kram | just for clarification |
| 00:03.21 | Capaneus | I've got allow=ulaw in my iax.conf |
| 00:03.38 | drumkilla | kram: oh yeah, sorry |
| 00:03.41 | bkw_ | kram not if his stack talks over a socket! ;) |
| 00:03.54 | kram | depends, actually :) |
| 00:03.58 | iq | what about the stand alone module - like loadable modules for asterisk. will have to realease code as well? |
| 00:04.01 | bkw_ | if you have a clear line drawn then he wouldn't |
| 00:04.06 | kram | just because you go across a socket doesn't free you from linkage requirements (e.g. XMLRPC) |
| 00:04.06 | drumkilla | iq: absolutely |
| 00:04.14 | bkw_ | ok then AGI doesn't either |
| 00:04.21 | bkw_ | so all AGI scripts are GPL too |
| 00:04.25 | kram | AGI is questionable |
| 00:04.29 | bkw_ | its the same concept |
| 00:04.35 | kram | it's not totally clear with AGI if GPL applies or not |
| 00:04.48 | ShadowMaster1 | ok, I'm confused perhaps.. I have a zapta,conf that lists signalling=fxs_ks ; X100P |
| 00:04.48 | ShadowMaster1 | group=1 |
| 00:04.48 | ShadowMaster1 | context=incoming |
| 00:04.49 | ShadowMaster1 | channel => 1 |
| 00:04.56 | drumkilla | ~pastebin |
| 00:04.57 | jbot | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca |
| 00:05.03 | kram | for example, the fact that AGI and Asterisk do not share any memory or data structures directly would suggest it could be independent |
| 00:05.10 | ShadowMaster1 | I didn't think 4 lines was a flood.. |
| 00:05.11 | drumkilla | ShadowMaster1: you need to set the signalling |
| 00:05.19 | kram | while at the same time the fact that an AGI script is useless without Asterisk suggests that it is in fact a derivative work |
| 00:05.28 | kram | because it has no value without Asterisk, and there is no substitute whatsoever |
| 00:05.30 | bkw_ | I don't see it like that |
| 00:05.37 | tzanger | werd to my voip brothers |
| 00:05.41 | kram | well, in the end neither you nor I are here to make that decision |
| 00:05.44 | kram | only the FSF could |
| 00:06.20 | kram | same for manager interface |
| 00:06.21 | iq | my boss is also thinking of purchasing sip code from bea and integrating it with asterisk - to eleminate NAT issues. according to bea their sip implementation NAT safe. |
| 00:06.39 | Wi_Fi | hey guys is there and asterisk@home channel? |
| 00:06.46 | bkw_ | but software that speaks to the manager interface doesn't have the GPL requirement |
| 00:06.48 | bkw_ | if thats the case |
| 00:06.51 | bkw_ | we got some lawsuits to file |
| 00:06.53 | drumkilla | iq: to be able to distribute that, you'd have to have a commercial license |
| 00:06.54 | iq | Wi_Fi, try #amportal |
| 00:07.01 | ShadowMaster1 | drumkilla: when you say set signalling.. can you expand on that? They are x100p (?) cards, connected to POTS lines from to the local bell CO. |
| 00:07.17 | kram | we have asked the GPL to provide us an opinion on whether AGI and Manager constitute derivative works, but the jury is still out |
| 00:07.20 | drumkilla | ShadowMaster1: the signalling= option in zapata.conf |
| 00:07.36 | bkw_ | that isn't "linking" |
| 00:07.58 | bkw_ | so all web browsers are under the Apache lic. if the speak to an apache server |
| 00:08.00 | drumkilla | linking isn't necessarily the only means for defining a derivative work |
| 00:08.03 | bkw_ | NOT |
| 00:08.09 | kram | bkw: no, that's not the case |
| 00:08.15 | bkw_ | its the same concept |
| 00:08.19 | drumkilla | no it's not |
| 00:08.20 | bkw_ | exactly the same |
| 00:08.22 | bkw_ | yes it is |
| 00:08.24 | bkw_ | its fucking socket |
| 00:08.25 | kram | because a web browser shares no common datastructures and communicates via an industry standard protocol |
| 00:08.32 | kram | furthermore, you can use a web browser without using apache |
| 00:08.37 | drumkilla | web pages are not dependent on apache |
| 00:08.42 | drumkilla | they could be used on another server |
| 00:08.55 | ShadowMaster1 | drumkilla: Are you saying it needs to be re-compiled with a different config or that I need to somehow make changes here and restart? |
| 00:09.14 | kram | in any case, we've asked the FSF to issue an opinion just to clear it up |
| 00:09.22 | drumkilla | ShadowMaster1: not recompiled, you just need to add signalling=fxs_ks to zapata.conf and restart asterisk |
| 00:09.23 | bkw_ | but you're not linking |
| 00:09.37 | kram | well, again, that's an issue for the FSF to intepret IMHO |
| 00:09.38 | drumkilla | bkw_: linking isn't the only thing that constitutes a derivative work |
| 00:09.49 | bkw_ | what does "linking" mean? |
| 00:09.50 | ShadowMaster1 | I have that line in the config.. |
| 00:09.51 | bkw_ | thats the key word |
| 00:10.09 | kram | right, the two key phrases are "Linking" and "Derivative Work" |
| 00:10.14 | drumkilla | ShadowMaster1: if it's a digium product, contact Digium technical support |
| 00:10.17 | iq | drumkilla, thanks for information :) |
| 00:10.19 | drumkilla | ShadowMaster1: if not, then i can not help you |
| 00:10.23 | kram | and at this point, I think only the FSF knows enough about their intent to describe it |
| 00:10.40 | drumkilla | iq: you are welcome |
| 00:10.40 | kram | i am not trying to re-intepret their opinion, i meerly want them to issue one :) |
| 00:10.54 | kram | and we've made a request. |
| 00:11.02 | tzanger | kram: who's that |
| 00:11.04 | anthm | what if you use a protocol that connects to a socket then to the sceen then a worker hanf copies the data to another screen that leads to manager =D |
| 00:11.06 | tzanger | the FSF? |
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| 00:11.07 | kram | the FSF |
| 00:11.34 | blakeops0 | How do I setup an asterisk server to answer IAX2 calls? |
| 00:11.59 | Nugget | Why couldn't Digium just explicitly state the permissability in exactly the same way Linus chooses to weaken the GPL by expressly allowing non-GPL kernel modules. |
| 00:12.06 | bkw_ | blakeops0, 1. you didn't say Hi. 2. that was just rude to bust in here and ask one of the most basic questions that has been answered 10000000 times on google. |
| 00:12.12 | Nugget | He didn't seem to require the FSF's buy-in to do so. |
| 00:12.24 | kram | because I don't know that it would be in our best interest to provide such explicit permissibility |
| 00:12.42 | bkw_ | well I don't see how speaking over a socket could in anyway be derived work over anything in asterisk |
| 00:12.42 | Nugget | or is Digium trying to enforce the GPL across the management API boundary? |
| 00:12.51 | kram | but at the same time, if the spirit of the GPL is that such usage is permissible, we would not want to explicitly not permit it either |
| 00:12.58 | drumkilla | that's what we have been talking about ... that is for the FSF to decide |
| 00:13.01 | tzanger | bkw_: is a socket that different from a fifo? |
| 00:13.09 | ShadowMaster1 | They are Digium cards, but I was told because of their age, they are no longer supported. I guess Sorry for wasting your time... |
| 00:13.21 | bkw_ | I don't think it is really a socket is a file descripter |
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| 00:13.34 | drumkilla | ShadowMaster1: no, you're not wasting my time ... I was just informing you of the option. If they are digium cards, they are still supported |
| 00:13.35 | blakeops0 | hi bkw_ |
| 00:14.02 | kram | Digium's opinion is that *if* manager/AGI constitute derivative works in the opinion of the FSF then we would want to enforce it as such, and if they do not constitute a derivative work then clearly we would not attempt to protect it that way |
| 00:14.23 | tzanger | digium's support is for osmething like 2 years IIRC... that's an UNREAL amount of time in this kind of industry |
| 00:14.32 | tzanger | (unreal as in much much longer than most) |
| 00:14.46 | Nugget | well, then I truly hope that the FSF chooses not to be inconsistent in their perspective. |
| 00:15.07 | Nugget | trying to enforce the GPL on applications talking to the API would be a real shame, imho. |
| 00:15.14 | bkw_ | kram you know thats one WAY out there concent. |
| 00:15.24 | bkw_ | er concent |
| 00:15.27 | bkw_ | er concept |
| 00:15.29 | bkw_ | fuckg I can't type |
| 00:15.44 | drumkilla | bkw_: why is that way out there? |
| 00:15.56 | Nugget | the FSF are hardly a bastion of self-consistent opinion, either, so it seems risky to leave it in their hands. |
| 00:16.01 | bkw_ | it just is.. its not logical to say that anything talking to something over a socket is derived works |
| 00:16.03 | kram | well, it's not as far fetched as you might think |
| 00:16.09 | tzanger | 84261 /var/log/asterisk/cdr-csv/Master.csv |
| 00:16.12 | iq | If my Application can work indipendent and do something useful even without Asterisk --- and there is one module that is available to integrate it with Asterisk. Can I get away with open the source of this interface and not the entire application? |
| 00:16.13 | kram | consider corba |
| 00:16.15 | tzanger | I wonder if I should rotate that :-) |
| 00:16.28 | kram | does that mean that using corba means instantly there is no linkage at all just beause all the functions are processed over the network? |
| 00:16.41 | drumkilla | iq: you need to speak to Jim about that |
| 00:17.02 | kram | again, there are numerous tests for derivative work and we want to know what the FSF believes the case to be since clearly they are the first-and-foremost expert on the license we've chosen. |
| 00:17.09 | iq | drumkilla, ok :) |
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| 00:17.09 | tzanger | kram: you have to be careful |
| 00:17.10 | Qwell | kram: I don't claim to know squat about the GPL, but, consider something like esound |
| 00:17.19 | tzanger | kram: you're basically saying anything that can interact with asterisk is a derivative work |
| 00:17.25 | kram | nope, i'm not... |
| 00:17.30 | kram | clearly sip clients, iax clients, etc are not |
| 00:17.37 | kram | they are stand alone |
| 00:17.41 | ShadowMaster1 | Does that mean when my Cisco phone interacts with Asterisk, Cisco is breaking the license? |
| 00:17.43 | kram | they do not need asterisk to properly function |
| 00:17.47 | drumkilla | guys, he has specified that Digium has asked the FSF to express an opinion ... that's about all that matters :) |
| 00:17.50 | tzanger | kram: if I created an app which talked to asterisk over the CLI, is that a derived work? If not, then why would osmething talking over the Manager interface? |
| 00:17.53 | bkw_ | kram bit IAX clients would be by your logic |
| 00:18.03 | Nugget | I still don't see how Linux kernel modules aren't a clear precedent in this question. |
| 00:18.05 | bkw_ | since without asterisk its not useful |
| 00:18.08 | kram | they wouldn't, because iax clients can talk to themselves |
| 00:18.18 | jterrero | what is FSF? |
| 00:18.22 | Nugget | linux kernel modules are clearly not useful without linux, and yet the GPL can't pass that boundary. |
| 00:18.46 | Qwell | jterrero: Free Software Foundation |
| 00:18.46 | anthm | maybe asterisk owes sip for using it's protocol =p |
| 00:18.46 | Qwell | fsf.org |
| 00:18.46 | Nugget | s/can't/is allowed to be stopped by/ |
| 00:18.46 | jterrero | Qwell: thx |
| 00:18.46 | kram | again, i'm not saying that AGI and Manager *are* derivative works, I'm merely suggesting reasoning for why they *could* be viewed that way |
| 00:18.46 | bkw_ | haha |
| 00:18.47 | tzanger | if it's not linking to asterisk (i.e. calling asterisk code through a linked API or wiht -lasterisk or whatever) |
| 00:18.50 | bkw_ | kram you drink some SCO koolaid? |
| 00:18.53 | kram | and that's why we're asking FSF to issue an opinion |
| 00:18.59 | Nugget | risky move, kram. ;) |
| 00:19.09 | tzanger | kram: ahhh |
| 00:19.10 | kram | it's risky to ask the FSF their opinion? |
| 00:19.12 | tzanger | you're playing devil's advocate |
| 00:19.15 | Nugget | I think so, yes. |
| 00:19.17 | bkw_ | well if they say it is |
| 00:19.57 | drumkilla | the FSF has the final word on that one |
| 00:19.57 | bkw_ | thats the second I fork asterisk :P |
| 00:19.57 | drumkilla | I don't see what's so taboo about that |
| 00:19.57 | tzanger | kram: it's not risky to ask them their opinion, it's extremely wise |
| 00:19.57 | kram | forking it wouldn't help you at all |
| 00:19.57 | drumkilla | it would still be held under the same constraints |
| 00:19.57 | bkw_ | it has helped many projects in the past.. granted I wouldn't wanna do that |
| 00:19.59 | kram | because if their opinion is that it is, and there is no explicit permission otherwise, your fork would clearly be subject to the same constraints |
| 00:20.00 | Nugget | FSF's opinion will be political, not reasoned. |
| 00:20.09 | bkw_ | drumkilla, but see then it would be under the dual lic. stuffs |
| 00:20.10 | Nugget | and you're binding yourself to it before you even hear it |
| 00:20.17 | drumkilla | Nugget: whatever you think, but it is the one that matters in the end |
| 00:20.26 | Nugget | I disagree. |
| 00:20.27 | bkw_ | kram but the fork would be "pure" gpl |
| 00:20.31 | kram | i can only be bound by the FSF's opinion in the case that they say that it does not constitute a derivative work |
| 00:20.33 | bkw_ | and a non-issue |
| 00:20.38 | Nugget | Linux told the FSF to pound sand and made his own decision for Linux. |
| 00:20.49 | kram | bkw_: it would be exactly the same issue |
| 00:20.54 | Nugget | I don't see why Digium isn't in exactly the same position to decide for themselves |
| 00:20.56 | kram | if it's a derivative work, then it's a derivative work |
| 00:21.02 | drumkilla | Nugget: and we could make that same exception if we wanted to |
| 00:21.09 | Nugget | so do it! |
| 00:21.10 | bkw_ | I don't think they would ever do that |
| 00:21.12 | ShadowMaster1 | I thought this channel was to talk about asterisk, the PBX, not the FSF, GPL and political/legal licensing issues. |
| 00:21.17 | tzanger | I dunno.. common sense (yeah yeah, just hear me out) would dictate that 'derivative work' means that it relies on Asterisk code in order to execute. Not function. |
| 00:21.27 | drumkilla | Nugget: as kram said before, I don't know that that is in our best interest |
| 00:21.27 | bkw_ | I think the whole point of AGI was the "clear" line |
| 00:21.29 | kram | nugget: it is only a derivative work if (a) the FSF says "yes it's a derivative work" and (b) Digium elects not to make an exception for AGI/manager |
| 00:21.32 | Qwell | ShadowMaster1: if kram wants to talk about the GPL, its his business. :p |
| 00:21.35 | bkw_ | adn that was the impression from day one |
| 00:21.37 | kram | but let me ask this... |
| 00:21.41 | kram | out of curiosity... |
| 00:21.46 | Qwell | ..literally, and figuratively |
| 00:21.53 | kram | lets suppose for example that the FSF said it was a derivative work... |
| 00:22.02 | ShadowMaster1 | it's off topic for a support channel. Take care folks.. |
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| 00:22.09 | Qwell | moron |
| 00:22.10 | kram | what is the advantage to the community at large of having Digium make the exception? |
| 00:22.17 | jterrero | seriously |
| 00:22.24 | jterrero | this is actually pretty cool to read |
| 00:22.30 | kram | i.e. for Digium to explicitly permit proprietary linkage to manager/AGI? |
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| 00:22.42 | drumkilla | it's just less open source for the community |
| 00:22.45 | kram | all it does is allow people to create proprietary software without paying for the priviledge to do so right? |
| 00:22.47 | tzanger | kram: the community can create applications around asterisk without being tied to the GPL? Or if they decide to sell their application that uses asterisk (but does not link to it in an execution sense) , that they can |
| 00:22.48 | Nugget | the advantage is that it doesn't chill development of tools and applications which make asterisk more useful. |
| 00:22.50 | bkw_ | but define "linkage" |
| 00:22.59 | bkw_ | speaking to it via socket is not linkage |
| 00:23.04 | kram | we already have a way you can purchase the ability to link outside of GPL |
| 00:23.05 | tzanger | bkw_: precisely |
| 00:23.09 | kram | but you have to pay for it, so it's a real cost |
| 00:23.12 | tzanger | file descriptior/socket is not linking |
| 00:23.14 | kram | you only go that way if you *really* have to |
| 00:23.21 | tzanger | linking is using the internal API and/or structures |
| 00:23.27 | kram | tzanger: again, fd/socket is not the only issue here |
| 00:23.28 | bkw_ | tzanger, exactly |
| 00:23.36 | bkw_ | so agi and talking to the manager are not linking to it |
| 00:23.43 | bkw_ | thus not within the GPL |
| 00:23.48 | Nugget | requiring the GPL is just as chilling to others in the open source community as it is to members of the commercial software community. |
| 00:23.49 | tzanger | kram: yes, I understand that, but if I wish to release my work under the BSD license I can't |
| 00:23.53 | drumkilla | bkw_: but still may be considered derivative works |
| 00:23.58 | bkw_ | how so? |
| 00:24.02 | tzanger | or some other OSS license or even Microsoft's "shared source" license |
| 00:24.10 | tzanger | yeah |
| 00:24.11 | tzanger | heh |
| 00:24.11 | kram | tzanger: you could release it under BSD so long as the combined work was distributed under GPL |
| 00:24.12 | drumkilla | that is for the FSF to decide, so this is really a worthless argument for us |
| 00:24.13 | bkw_ | I want a clear logical example of HOW |
| 00:24.20 | kram | as i've said, bkw... |
| 00:24.34 | kram | it *could* be viewed as a derivative work in the sense that an AGI app cannot do anything without Asterisk. |
| 00:24.41 | kram | further, an app talking to manager cannot do anything without Asterisk. |
| 00:24.42 | tzanger | kram: BSD was a bad example, I meant under a more restrcitive license than GPL |
| 00:24.55 | anthm | what if you make an agi to http protocol converter and release the converter as derivative work, does it then engulf the http? |
| 00:24.58 | kram | tzanger: why should you be permitted to do so without purcahsing a license? |
| 00:24.59 | Nugget | BSD isn't a bad example, really. |
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| 00:25.09 | tzanger | kram: Asterisk can't do anything without libc or hte kernel (yes there are patches to address that) |
| 00:25.20 | kram | anthm: these are all questions i am not able to answer, nor am I attempting to provide an answer. |
| 00:25.30 | kram | All I am trying to do is to suggest why there might be some issue at all |
| 00:25.31 | tzanger | kram: nobody's blasting you for being pedantic about this |
| 00:25.34 | tzanger | this is a very serious issue |
| 00:25.37 | anthm | I'm just having fun =D |
| 00:25.38 | kram | and explain that I want the FSF to address th eissue. |
| 00:25.48 | kram | and explain one way or another |
| 00:25.49 | bkw_ | it needs to be clearly addressed |
| 00:25.50 | tzanger | I mean this came up with the Kernel year ago |
| 00:25.55 | kram | if they say "no it's not a derivative work" then that's it, end of story. |
| 00:25.58 | tzanger | and why anything that runs on Linux is NOT a derivative work of the kernel |
| 00:26.02 | anthm | tree falling in the woods all that jazz |
| 00:26.45 | tzanger | I feel that 'derivative work' means links to a library that is GPL'd... |
| 00:26.50 | tzanger | hell even shared memory is not a derivative work |
| 00:26.51 | tzanger | IMO |
| 00:27.01 | tzanger | but it needs to be clarified |
| 00:27.07 | drumkilla | indeed, and it will be :) |
| 00:27.23 | bkw_ | ok here is one |
| 00:27.32 | tzanger | excellent... I admit I often let "common sense" preside and that is dangerous :-) |
| 00:27.33 | bkw_ | something that just writes out config files.. under this logic would be GPL |
| 00:27.37 | bkw_ | like an Asterisk GUI |
| 00:27.39 | kram | i gtg but we can talk more later |
| 00:27.45 | Nugget | saying "you could release it under BSD so long as the combined work was distributed under GPL" is nothing more than saying "You're free to use the BSD license as long as you don't" |
| 00:28.06 | drumkilla | i have to go, too ... |
| 00:28.19 | bkw_ | haha |
| 00:28.23 | bkw_ | well I have a good point there |
| 00:28.24 | kram | i leave you only again with my other question... |
| 00:28.40 | tzanger | bkw_: I dunno |
| 00:28.46 | tzanger | asterisk depends on that app, not the other way 'round :-) |
| 00:29.05 | kram | which is: what is the advantage of allowing proprietary AGI/Manager if we even have the ability to regulate it at all under GPL? |
| 00:29.10 | Qwell | tzanger: nah, * doesn't need that app to run. :p |
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| 00:29.21 | kram | how does the community benefit from that? |
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| 00:29.24 | Nugget | kram: who said anything about proprietary? |
| 00:29.31 | Nugget | the issue is "non-GPL", not "proprietary" |
| 00:29.32 | bkw_ | kram you have people building solutions they can sell |
| 00:29.36 | kram | well just for example :) |
| 00:29.38 | tzanger | kram: the community is stifled if it can't 'use' asterisk without being forced into GPL |
| 00:29.42 | kram | we can always make exceptions for other OSS |
| 00:29.46 | kram | for example we did with OpenH323 |
| 00:30.11 | kram | tzanger: i would argue they are not stifled so long as they're given a pay-for option for proprietary and exceptions as necessary for non-GPL OSS |
| 00:30.12 | OloBola | I get chipmunks when converting voicemail to mp3 using lame encoder. What does this mean? |
| 00:30.14 | tzanger | I dunno I think there is CLEAR precident for 'derivative' meaning linking to via library |
| 00:30.26 | Nugget | but for the sake of your literal question, the benefit is that asterisk gets to potentially interface with other large applications. |
| 00:30.34 | kram | tzanger: clearly library linkage is considered linkage |
| 00:30.35 | bkw_ | kram that harms the community in tons of ways |
| 00:30.38 | kram | this question is outside of that |
| 00:30.43 | kram | bkw_: which is? |
| 00:30.44 | tzanger | kram: I have never investigated commercial licensing of * but what if the licensing prices the work completely out of the market? |
| 00:30.59 | bkw_ | I have to get a lic. to talk to the manager interface for something I plan on selling |
| 00:31.01 | kram | well presumably AGI/manager would be a much smaller licensing scheme |
| 00:31.05 | bkw_ | then what motivates me to create stuff |
| 00:31.07 | tzanger | kram:yes, but I think that there is clear precident showing that using shared mem, sockets, etc is *not* derivative |
| 00:31.10 | bkw_ | if its all sucked up by the GPL |
| 00:31.21 | bkw_ | I have to agree with tzanger on this one |
| 00:31.25 | bkw_ | its been very clear to me |
| 00:31.39 | bkw_ | from day one.. that AGI was invented to give clear line between GPL and non-gpl |
| 00:31.41 | tzanger | ewe need the FSF to make it crystal sparkling clear |
| 00:31.42 | kram | but wouldn't it be conceivable that it could make more sense for switchware, for example, to either have to pay licensing fees in order to keep their app proprietary? |
| 00:31.45 | tzanger | and that's what Mark's after |
| 00:31.56 | kram | again, playing devils advocate here |
| 00:31.59 | tzanger | switchware? |
| 00:32.03 | kram | i'll say this much |
| 00:32.05 | bkw_ | kram oh this translates into "Digium" money |
| 00:32.15 | bkw_ | its about the $ |
| 00:32.19 | tzanger | bkw_: no |
| 00:32.19 | kram | right, which translates into bkw_/tony money as of late too, right? |
| 00:32.26 | kram | remember the H.323 driver? |
| 00:32.28 | kram | remember hiring kevin? |
| 00:32.35 | kram | remember that we're trying to *push* asterisk dev |
| 00:32.42 | kram | not just passively sit back and wait for people to do it for us |
| 00:32.44 | Nethab | bad h323 bad |
| 00:32.46 | kram | we're trying to work with the community |
| 00:32.48 | tzanger | this isn't want he's specifically after I don't think... he's just trying to get clarification from the FSF as to what 'derivative' includes and does not include... |
| 00:32.55 | kram | right |
| 00:32.56 | Nugget | what if we want an hp openview agent to monitor our asterisk server? |
| 00:32.59 | bkw_ | but in the end its still ALL about the money |
| 00:33.03 | bkw_ | not the community |
| 00:33.05 | kram | and even if they say it *does* consittute a derivative work... |
| 00:33.12 | Nugget | does hp have to gpl openview? |
| 00:33.13 | kram | it doesn't mean we'll necessary not give an exception |
| 00:33.14 | bkw_ | money drives this |
| 00:33.14 | anthm | actually they never gave me any money for h323 =< |
| 00:33.30 | tzanger | it's clear that kram is not going to say "fuck you all, Manager/AGI is commercial only" -- he's just trying to figure out a) if it is and b) if Digium should make a broad exception for them if it is |
| 00:33.38 | kram | anthm: their MOU says they do |
| 00:33.39 | bkw_ | kram and actually all this exception stuff might not be legal either. |
| 00:33.41 | kram | it's in writing |
| 00:34.07 | kram | give bkw_ some time to cool down :) |
| 00:34.13 | bkw_ | hehe |
| 00:34.14 | bkw_ | i'm not hot |
| 00:34.16 | kram | i think it'll make sense to him in time |
| 00:34.17 | bkw_ | yet that is :P |
| 00:34.21 | kram | what i'm trying to say |
| 00:34.22 | Nethab | yes you are |
| 00:34.27 | Nethab | your sooo hot |
| 00:34.29 | kram | bkw_ is generally a very reasonable person in the long run |
| 00:34.36 | bkw_ | what? |
| 00:34.36 | kram | but he also can be very emotional much like me :) |
| 00:34.39 | bkw_ | What is logical about that? |
| 00:34.41 | tzanger | the exceptions are legal... digium can in a heartbeat switch OSS licenses if the FSF has their head that far up their ass |
| 00:34.47 | bkw_ | i'm not emotional right now |
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| 00:34.49 | bkw_ | i'm quite calm |
| 00:34.57 | kram | *nods* |
| 00:35.05 | tzanger | the FSF will eliminate themselves if they try to fuck around too much |
| 00:35.24 | tzanger | common sense shoudl rule broadly and then law/licensing should come into play for the gray areas where common sense varies from place to place |
| 00:35.29 | bkw_ | but i'm trying to see where the logic could say that talking over a pipe,fd or socket (which are all the same thing) could be considered derived work. |
| 00:35.30 | kram | anyway i'm late, but we'll talk again soon |
| 00:35.39 | kram | nothings going to happen without talking to the list and you too, of course, bkw |
| 00:35.41 | tzanger | bkw_: he's not saying it is... he's saying the FSF may declare it to be so |
| 00:35.42 | kram | you know i wouldn't :) |
| 00:35.46 | tzanger | and if they do, what to do about it |
| 00:35.58 | bkw_ | kram ok well the FSF needs to get it clarified |
| 00:36.01 | kram | and even if the FSF declares that it is -- which is not *at all* obvious... |
| 00:36.07 | bkw_ | now where can I fax 1000 faxes to get their attention? |
| 00:36.12 | kram | we still could issue the exception |
| 00:36.21 | tzanger | bkw_: I'll get my PRI on that right away with app_txfax :-) |
| 00:36.23 | drumkilla | a donation with those faxes might help, heh |
| 00:36.26 | kram | if we were convinced that was the way to go |
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| 00:36.42 | tzanger | I'd get the 6 DS3s on it too but they're inbound-only |
| 00:36.49 | kram | hey i have an idea when i get back! |
| 00:36.52 | drumkilla | iq: just so you know, you started this :p |
| 00:36.54 | bkw_ | hehe |
| 00:36.57 | WilliamK | I was able to hold and sustain a modem connection over VoIP last night for the 1st time |
| 00:36.58 | WilliamK | =) |
| 00:37.00 | Nugget | a donation? you're nuts. |
| 00:37.03 | kram | we'll talk later, seriously late for dinner and then the movie (hitch hikers guide) |
| 00:37.11 | tzanger | kram: take care, have fun |
| 00:37.17 | tzanger | so long and thanks for all the fish |
| 00:37.17 | bkw_ | kram the movie SUCKED |
| 00:37.18 | drumkilla | cya kram ! |
| 00:37.20 | Qwell | kram: Take me with you. :p |
| 00:37.23 | bkw_ | have a good one! |
| 00:37.29 | bkw_ | ;) |
| 00:37.34 | kram | well, we have to pay them a fee to make this determination. Perhaps we could split the fee with some of the people who have an interest in the answer being that AGI/Manager does not, just to be sure that doesn't bias them |
| 00:37.47 | tzanger | uh |
| 00:37.48 | kram | it's not that much, all they asked for was $1000 |
| 00:37.51 | kram | so we could split it 50/50 |
| 00:38.06 | kram | and whatever the outcome, it's great to make a donation to the FSF :) |
| 00:38.07 | tzanger | apache, the kernel... there are some big names that are seriously affected if they deicde to make 'derived' too broad |
| 00:38.11 | kram | i don't mind paying the $1k myself |
| 00:38.17 | Nugget | isn't "derived work" a term of art that is not specific to the GPL in any way? why can't any lawyer make the determination? |
| 00:38.32 | kram | anyway, i gtg |
| 00:38.49 | tzanger | Nugget: I think he's trying to make it clear for all of FSF |
| 00:38.50 | iq | drumkilla, ya I know ;) |
| 00:39.08 | Nethab | ok now that he's gone, who is charging 1000 and for what |
| 00:39.10 | Nugget | well, I just hope the FSF is rational on the issue, then. |
| 00:39.17 | drumkilla | Nethab: the FSF |
| 00:39.22 | tzanger | Nugget: me too |
| 00:39.23 | Nethab | is charging for what |
| 00:39.36 | Nethab | the FSF as in Richard Stallman |
| 00:39.46 | drumkilla | Nethab: read above |
| 00:39.50 | tzanger | we're fucked |
| 00:39.53 | tzanger | RMS is not rational :-) |
| 00:39.58 | Nugget | FSF's blind eye toward redhat and dispute with Linus over kernel modules really doesn't give me much optimism that this will turn out well, though. Their track record for consistency is quite poor. |
| 00:40.01 | drumkilla | the FSF is more that RMS |
| 00:40.01 | WilliamK | the FSF is ran by one person? |
| 00:40.36 | Nethab | for zapata kernal modules? |
| 00:40.36 | iq | are there any plan to implement SER kind of functionality in chan_sip ? |
| 00:40.59 | Nethab | no RMS is in charge |
| 00:41.09 | Nethab | there's more than one person |
| 00:41.12 | Nugget | Nethab: no, not zaptel. kram wants to know if writing against the management AGI taints the other side with the GPL. |
| 00:41.23 | drumkilla | and AGI |
| 00:41.25 | WilliamK | okie |
| 00:41.42 | WilliamK | anyone have a good suggestion for motherboard/cpu combinations? |
| 00:41.50 | Qwell | WilliamK: Tyan+opteron |
| 00:42.05 | tzanger | WilliamK: you have modem calls being sustained, I think you've got something :-) |
| 00:42.22 | WilliamK | using Tyan + AMD Athlon 2000+ MP's right now |
| 00:42.25 | Qwell | hmm |
| 00:42.39 | Nethab | the answer is obviously no, for the same reason that windows isn't GPL tainted for connecting to smtp |
| 00:42.51 | tzanger | Nethab: that's the common sense answer |
| 00:42.52 | Nugget | Nethab: well, it's not obvious to some people here. |
| 00:42.53 | Qwell | Nethab: smtp is a standard |
| 00:42.54 | WilliamK | officially on the latest BIOS as of today - reflashed a little bit ago |
| 00:42.55 | Nethab | or any other GPL protocol software |
| 00:43.01 | tzanger | and that is what everyone believes... but it needs to be clarified |
| 00:43.10 | Nugget | "smtp" is not a "gpl protocol software" |
| 00:43.14 | Nugget | hell, smtp predates the gpl |
| 00:43.34 | Nethab | exactly just like the AGI isnt' a gpl protocll |
| 00:43.39 | Nugget | I think that linux kernel modules is the most clear precendent. |
| 00:43.40 | *** join/#asterisk terrapen (~cjs@209.142.99.217) |
| 00:43.43 | Nethab | it's a protcol it has no license |
| 00:43.44 | Nugget | you can't gpl a protocol. |
| 00:43.51 | tzanger | Nugget: not even kernel modules... any linux app |
| 00:43.54 | Nethab | that's what I'm saying |
| 00:44.00 | terrapen | hey |
| 00:44.02 | Nugget | kernel modules are a different case than an app, though. |
| 00:44.09 | terrapen | i think there is a major DNS poisoning attack going on |
| 00:44.10 | tzanger | or as bkw mentioned, apache... I can talk to apache with a nongpl browser without the browser getting tainted |
| 00:44.12 | Nugget | if anything could be argued as a derived work, that would be it |
| 00:44.13 | terrapen | anybody sseeing this? |
| 00:44.16 | terrapen | check this out |
| 00:44.23 | terrapen | do a whois on bikeworld.com (me) |
| 00:44.28 | terrapen | and note that we dont expire until 2009 |
| 00:44.32 | tzanger | Nugget: IIRC linus made a specific exception for them |
| 00:44.35 | terrapen | then go to http://www.bikeworld.com |
| 00:44.42 | Nugget | tzanger: yes, that's exactly what happened. |
| 00:44.47 | Nugget | the fsf grumbles about it too |
| 00:44.50 | terrapen | anybody else use Stargate? |
| 00:44.53 | terrapen | if you do, better check your domains |
| 00:44.58 | Qwell | terrapen: looks fine to me, whats wrong with it? |
| 00:45.02 | tzanger | Nugget: yeah but that's why I say it's not a good exmaple |
| 00:45.04 | tzanger | er example |
| 00:45.06 | Nethab | you can open a tcp/ip connection to a GPL software and not be anywhere near Tainting, tridge and bitkeeper *cough* |
| 00:45.11 | Nugget | "good" in what way? |
| 00:45.15 | terrapen | qwell, you aren't getting some kind of cheezy portal search site? |
| 00:45.19 | Qwell | no |
| 00:45.25 | terrapen | dig bikeworld.com @4.2.2.1 |
| 00:45.32 | Nugget | I mean "good" in the sense that it's a similar situation, not "good" in the sense that it agrees with how I want this asterisk situation to turn out. |
| 00:45.39 | terrapen | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 00:45.39 | terrapen | Name: bikeworld.com |
| 00:45.39 | terrapen | Address: 67.15.35.160 |
| 00:45.44 | Qwell | 209.142.99.217 |
| 00:45.54 | terrapen | Optical Jungle EVRY-206 (NET-67-15-35-0-1) |
| 00:45.54 | Nethab | 4.2.2.1 is no good use 2.2.2.and 2.2.3 |
| 00:45.54 | terrapen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.00 | terrapen | i've never heard of optical jungle |
| 00:46.07 | Qwell | 209.142.99.217 with 4.2.2.2 |
| 00:46.09 | WilliamK | tzanger, just so you know... the modem call was over my 3com v.92 using a Sipura 2000 ATA and v3.1.2 of their firmware |
| 00:46.13 | terrapen | RoadRunner nameservers here are showing the same thing |
| 00:46.19 | tzanger | WilliamK: ahh |
| 00:46.29 | tzanger | "optical jungle" ?? |
| 00:46.30 | WilliamK | I found 1 glitch in the code and that was you have to disable the echo canceller by hand on the ATA |
| 00:46.33 | tzanger | what a stupid name |
| 00:46.37 | terrapen | tzanger: my thoughts exactly |
| 00:46.40 | Nethab | you made a modem call over a Siputa? |
| 00:46.49 | WilliamK | Nethab, yes last night |
| 00:46.52 | Nethab | sweet |
| 00:46.53 | Nugget | terrapen: fire your dns administrator. |
| 00:46.55 | Nethab | what baud rate |
| 00:47.00 | WilliamK | 49,333 |
| 00:47.04 | terrapen | fire my dns admin? |
| 00:47.06 | Nethab | not bad |
| 00:47.10 | terrapen | nothing wrong wmith my DNS |
| 00:47.16 | Nugget | looks like they made a newbie mistake. You recently moved ns2 and forgot to update the nameserver record, didn't you? |
| 00:47.16 | Nethab | i wonder if my tivo will work now |
| 00:47.18 | tzanger | 49133?? |
| 00:47.19 | tzanger | holy shit |
| 00:47.28 | Nugget | the nameserver record in the roots is different than how ns2 actually resolved. |
| 00:47.33 | terrapen | many DNS servers are showing this problem |
| 00:47.39 | terrapen | nothing changed on my end |
| 00:47.43 | Nugget | yes, that's what happens when you do this. |
| 00:47.49 | terrapen | what ns2? |
| 00:47.57 | Nugget | is ns2 209.142.99.219 or is it 67.15.35.160 |
| 00:48.02 | Nethab | the second name server |
| 00:48.03 | terrapen | its 209.142.99.219 |
| 00:48.03 | Nugget | ns2.bikeworld |
| 00:48.13 | terrapen | mine --> 209.142.99.219 |
| 00:48.19 | WilliamK | tzanger, of course my cable modem is only 10-17ms from the voip gateway |
| 00:48.19 | Nugget | did it used to be the 67.15.35.160 address? |
| 00:48.23 | terrapen | i've never heard of 67.15.35.160 |
| 00:48.24 | terrapen | no |
| 00:48.25 | terrapen | never |
| 00:48.29 | terrapen | that's why this is so odd |
| 00:48.57 | Qwell | ns., ns1., ns2. are different |
| 00:49.00 | Nethab | i get 218 and 210 |
| 00:49.00 | Qwell | .net vs .com? |
| 00:49.02 | Nethab | 219 |
| 00:49.10 | terrapen | my servers are 209.142.99.218 and .219 |
| 00:49.12 | Qwell | ns.bikeworld.net. 86400 IN A 67.15.35.160 |
| 00:49.19 | terrapen | qwell: thats not my IP |
| 00:49.26 | Nethab | i got 217 |
| 00:49.33 | Nugget | ok, weird. |
| 00:49.36 | Qwell | fix ns.bikeworld.net at your registrar :p |
| 00:49.37 | terrapen | i cannot, for the life of me, figure out how that 67.15.35.160 is getting out there |
| 00:49.40 | `Sauron | Nugget |
| 00:49.44 | Nugget | the whois record for ns2.bikeworld.net is the .219 address |
| 00:49.46 | terrapen | i think Stargate is hosed up |
| 00:49.49 | `Sauron | when's the next nucleartacos? |
| 00:49.50 | terrapen | nugget: i know |
| 00:50.02 | terrapen | maybe stargate has been 0wned |
| 00:50.06 | Nethab | whois comes back with the proper name servers |
| 00:50.09 | Nugget | `Sauron: this coming wednesday |
| 00:50.24 | `Sauron | Hum, bummer |
| 00:50.25 | terrapen | nethab, yep |
| 00:50.28 | `Sauron | they should move to mondays |
| 00:50.32 | Nethab | [whois.stargateinc.com] |
| 00:50.41 | Qwell | terrapen: see if you can add/delete "ns." at your registrar... |
| 00:50.49 | Nugget | we could have one on a monday sometime. |
| 00:51.01 | `Sauron | I'm already double-booked this wednesday |
| 00:51.04 | `Sauron | Yay |
| 00:51.06 | terrapen | i wish i could find another stargate customer |
| 00:51.07 | Nethab | Domain Name: bikeworld.com ns1.bikeworld.net |
| 00:51.07 | Nugget | I'll just host one here later in the month. |
| 00:51.14 | *** join/#asterisk kimc (~freenode@pcp09643046pcs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 00:51.15 | terrapen | this problem is happening for every single one of my domains |
| 00:51.17 | terrapen | err |
| 00:51.20 | Nethab | your .com nameserver is pointing to .net |
| 00:51.23 | terrapen | every single domain registered at stargate |
| 00:51.27 | terrapen | i know, nethab |
| 00:51.34 | Qwell | terrapen: What other domains? |
| 00:51.39 | terrapen | nethab, ns1.bikeworld.net and ns2.bikeworld.net are mine |
| 00:51.42 | OloBola | i'm trying to convert a vm message from wav to mp3 using LAME enconder, but it's outputting 4x or so faster than the original. What does this usually mean? |
| 00:51.42 | terrapen | chrissnell.com |
| 00:51.51 | terrapen | weathertools.com |
| 00:51.52 | Qwell | right |
| 00:51.54 | terrapen | gpstools.com |
| 00:52.03 | Qwell | all pointed to the same NS |
| 00:52.04 | terrapen | but island.nu (different registrar) works fine |
| 00:52.05 | Qwell | get rid of ns. |
| 00:52.10 | terrapen | and island.nu is on the same NS |
| 00:52.12 | Qwell | ns.bikeworld.net |
| 00:52.14 | terrapen | its not my NS |
| 00:52.19 | terrapen | i dont have ns.bikeworld.net |
| 00:52.20 | `Sauron | On wed. there's a meeting at Whole Earth on campus talking about travis county buying 600 acres of Reimer's Ranch |
| 00:52.20 | Qwell | yeah, get rid of it |
| 00:52.24 | terrapen | it has nothing to do with me |
| 00:52.24 | `Sauron | Gotta go to that |
| 00:52.25 | Qwell | at your registrar |
| 00:52.32 | terrapen | sauron, hey, i've climbed there |
| 00:52.32 | Nugget | *nod* |
| 00:52.39 | Qwell | tell it to forget that it exists |
| 00:52.58 | `Sauron | terrapen: you in austin? |
| 00:53.10 | terrapen | there is no NS.BIKEWORLD.NET. not here, nor at my registrar |
| 00:53.13 | terrapen | no, in san antonio |
| 00:53.27 | Qwell | terrapen: well, it sure as hell is resolving |
| 00:53.29 | `Sauron | oh, right |
| 00:53.48 | terrapen | `check this out: |
| 00:53.59 | terrapen | dig bikeworld.com @24.28.131.62 |
| 00:54.04 | terrapen | that's my roadrunner nameserver |
| 00:54.08 | terrapen | it has the bogus info too |
| 00:54.13 | terrapen | one of the roots must be owned |
| 00:54.16 | terrapen | or hosed |
| 00:54.44 | Qwell | alright, ignore me, thats fine |
| 00:54.53 | terrapen | i am on stargates site, qwell |
| 00:54.57 | Qwell | add one |
| 00:54.59 | terrapen | there is absolutely no mention of ns.bikeworld.net |
| 00:55.01 | terrapen | why? |
| 00:55.04 | Qwell | if it is not there, add it |
| 00:55.10 | Qwell | so it updates the BS record |
| 00:55.10 | terrapen | this has been set up this way for over 8 years, qwell |
| 00:55.23 | Qwell | You don't need to use it, just add it, so it removes the dumbass 67. address |
| 00:55.28 | OloBola | i'm trying to convert a vm message from wav to mp3 using LAME enconder, but it's outputting 4x or so faster than the original. What does this usually mean? |
| 00:55.45 | terrapen | you're getting the 67 address because any domain of mine goes to this bogus nameserver, qwell |
| 00:55.52 | cypromis | w/w 21 |
| 00:55.52 | terrapen | adding it on my end will nott help |
| 00:56.04 | terrapen | your nslookups are not hitting my nameserver |
| 00:56.04 | Qwell | Not on your end. At your registrars end |
| 00:56.08 | terrapen | they are hitting some other nameserver |
| 00:56.17 | Qwell | Your registrar will update the root servers |
| 00:56.41 | terrapen | sigh |
| 00:57.09 | Qwell | whatever, I obviously don't know what I'm talking about |
| 00:57.33 | terrapen | your solution is to add another nameserver with my registrar? |
| 00:57.37 | terrapen | so that they update the roots? |
| 00:57.41 | Qwell | Yes. ns.bikeworld.net |
| 00:58.13 | Qwell | http://pastebin.ca/10692 |
| 00:58.40 | *** join/#asterisk dimas (~ds@vbc.elcom.ru) |
| 00:58.47 | Qwell | somebody screwed up, and you can fix it by adding it at your registrar |
| 00:58.54 | Qwell | You don't need to use it |
| 00:59.37 | Qwell | hell, you can probably even delete it in a few days |
| 00:59.42 | *** part/#asterisk PeaCeKeePa (~free@d141-52-2.home.cgocable.net) |
| 01:00.46 | OloBola | i'm trying to convert a vm message from wav to mp3 using LAME enconder, but it's outputting 4x or so faster than the original. What does this usually mean? |
| 01:02.06 | Nethab | it means that something is broken |
| 01:02.34 | Nethab | or that you shouldn't encode in VBR |
| 01:02.38 | terrapen | Update Failed. Please contact support with error code 541, the domain involved, and the nameservers you are trying to change to. |
| 01:02.39 | OloBola | my error handling is set to "Something bad happened". |
| 01:02.40 | terrapen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.27 | OloBola | VBR = Variable Bit Rate ? |
| 01:03.43 | *** join/#asterisk vpp (~noone@host-83-146-50-131.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 01:03.47 | vpp | hi guys! |
| 01:03.51 | Nethab | yes variable bit rate |
| 01:03.59 | Nethab | hello vpp |
| 01:04.02 | vpp | anyone know of a good config guide for asterisk and h323 ? |
| 01:04.06 | Qwell | ~docs |
| 01:04.07 | jbot | Documentation can be found at http://digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or #asterisk-doc, or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk, or http://www.asteriskdocs.org |
| 01:04.19 | *** part/#asterisk terrapen (~cjs@209.142.99.217) |
| 01:04.25 | vpp | thanks |
| 01:04.50 | vpp | u know of anything specific to h323 anyone? i'll have a search, but i thought its worth asking :) |
| 01:07.01 | Nethab | voip-info.org |
| 01:07.07 | Nethab | have you tried there? |
| 01:08.33 | WilliamK | anyone know what I should put in the extensions.conf file to toss a call to the meetme bridge? |
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| 01:12.49 | Nethab | you mean like call transfer |
| 01:13.52 | WilliamK | yeah but I want it to prompt the user for the confID and pin |
| 01:18.01 | OloBola | Nethab: I set VBR to true and it's still running really fast, must be something else. Any other suggestions? |
| 01:22.54 | blakeops0 | Can anyone place a SIP call to this address? 8773386225@voip.cafe.bevocal.com |
| 01:23.21 | blakeops0 | I'm getting some weird results |
| 01:23.51 | WilliamK | kewl |
| 01:23.54 | WilliamK | I got it to work |
| 01:23.55 | WilliamK | =) |
| 01:31.41 | Nethab | olobola, the only thing i can think of is that the original file is a different sample rate than the mp3 |
| 01:32.01 | Nethab | like 44.1 versus 48khz |
| 01:32.35 | Nethab | you may need to change the sample rate of the wav file before you convert to mp3 |
| 01:32.53 | OloBola | Ok, thanks. I don't know much about audio stuff, I should do some homework. |
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| 01:47.48 | dotwaffle | Anyone here use pfSense? Having trouble getting Asterisk to work with it... |
| 01:48.05 | FuriousGeorge | anyone ever nuse IPCop with asterisk |
| 01:48.36 | dotwaffle | I have. |
| 01:48.53 | FuriousGeorge | dotwaffle: does it work w/ the rtp stuff * needs? |
| 01:49.36 | dotwaffle | FuriousGeorge: I believe so, I never had any trouble. It's just pfSense it doesn't appear to work with... |
| 01:49.54 | FuriousGeorge | pfSense? |
| 01:50.10 | FuriousGeorge | is that an aspect of dmzing |
| 01:50.40 | dotwaffle | nope, it's a smoothwall-alike, based on m0n0wall, which is a FreeBSD based route/firewall. |
| 01:50.46 | dotwaffle | Biiiig chain there. |
| 01:51.46 | vpp | anyone here use h323? |
| 01:51.58 | dotwaffle | Ummm... Asterisk always worked fine with firewalls, but with pfSense, I'm getting (if you don't mind me intruding) |
| 01:52.01 | dotwaffle | May 1 02:49:51 NOTICE[10394]: chan_sip.c:4035 sip_reg_timeout: -- Registration for '[withheld]@sip.gossiptel.com' timed out, trying again |
| 01:52.03 | FuriousGeorge | dotwaffle: so i can stick my * box in the dmz, and not worry about NAT issues? |
| 01:52.04 | dotwaffle | May 1 02:49:58 WARNING[10394]: chan_sip.c:694 retrans_pkt: Maximum retries exceeded on call 53d99ea51c1aa81d1ff943594039d6c3@127.0.0.1 for seqno 134 (Critical Request) |
| 01:52.13 | FuriousGeorge | right? |
| 01:52.35 | dotwaffle | FuriousGeorge: Not a good idea. If you were to do that, I SERIOUSLY recommend you leave ports 1-1024 unforwarded. |
| 01:52.36 | FuriousGeorge | dotwaffle: im not using it now |
| 01:52.55 | FuriousGeorge | dotwaffle: ok, that makes sense |
| 01:53.23 | dotwaffle | i hope so :) |
| 01:53.42 | Nethab | I would say leave asterisk in the green zone not a blue zone |
| 01:54.11 | Nethab | in a 3 teired architecture, a dmz should have 3 zones |
| 01:54.23 | FuriousGeorge | Nethab: its not |
| 01:55.07 | FuriousGeorge | im gonna go try to use this ipcop now |
| 01:55.49 | dotwaffle | i thought blue zone was wireless? |
| 01:56.24 | dotwaffle | amber/orange was DMZ/Segregated, I thought. |
| 01:57.39 | Nethab | blue green yellow red |
| 01:57.52 | Nethab | blue is the untrusted, unwashed masses |
| 01:58.14 | Nethab | green is the publicly exposed but port restricted servers |
| 01:58.36 | Nethab | yellow is the unroutable, but internally usuable, and red is the holy grail |
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| 01:59.49 | dotwaffle | ah, right. At least that's firmly in my skull now :) |
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| 02:08.09 | blakeops0 | Anyone ever get "Got SIP response 488" when placing an outbound SIP call |
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| 02:25.27 | vpp | is it possible to use asterisk as a proxy gateway? |
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| 02:29.19 | cypromis | no |
| 02:29.43 | vpp | ohh |
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| 02:30.12 | vpp | 2 be sure we're on the same page |
| 02:30.38 | vpp | i want to put it between my other gateway (quintum) and originating gateways |
| 02:31.01 | vpp | becos the quintum has compatibility problems, resulting in one way speech etc |
| 02:31.31 | vpp | so the call flow i'm trying to achieve is |
| 02:32.33 | vpp | (Originating GW) -- H.323 Sig and Voice --> Asterisk ----- H.323 Sig and Voice ----> Quintum |
| 02:35.43 | ChkDigit | And you've tested Quintum's H.323 with Asterisk? |
| 02:36.06 | vpp | thats where i'm at now |
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| 02:36.20 | vpp | but trying to figure out h323 config |
| 02:36.49 | ChkDigit | I haven't had luck with Asterisk H.323, but that was when I was really green... |
| 02:37.10 | vpp | basically i figure if i can get the asterisk to quintum leg working |
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| 02:37.40 | vpp | by setting compatible codec etc |
| 02:38.01 | ChkDigit | The others should fall in-line... Hopefully... |
| 02:38.08 | vpp | yes |
| 02:38.14 | vpp | but even if they dont |
| 02:38.29 | vpp | its easier to work with open source to resolve issues |
| 02:38.33 | vpp | then the quintum TAC |
| 02:39.57 | vpp | but the h323 config stuff isnt to clear |
| 02:40.16 | vpp | i'm not to sure how i wld add the quintum gateway |
| 02:40.27 | ChkDigit | To dial in> |
| 02:40.29 | ChkDigit | ? |
| 02:40.35 | vpp | dial out |
| 02:40.50 | ChkDigit | So, Quintum is initiating the call? |
| 02:40.59 | vpp | terminating |
| 02:41.30 | vpp | So say SJphone originates call to asterisk |
| 02:41.39 | vpp | asterisk terminates call to quintum |
| 02:42.25 | ChkDigit | You can put it in an extension for Asterisk to use an H323 channel |
| 02:42.28 | vpp | as a gateway proxy (not gatekeeper, i.e. signalling only) |
| 02:42.52 | vpp | ok |
| 02:42.57 | vpp | so add |
| 02:43.09 | ChkDigit | exten => _90XXX,1,Dial(H323/${EXTEN:2}) |
| 02:43.22 | vpp | ahhh |
| 02:43.26 | ChkDigit | May be what you're looking for... |
| 02:43.42 | ChkDigit | Oooop, that would be for an incoming... |
| 02:44.13 | ChkDigit | exten => _.,1,Dial(H323/${EXTEN}@quintum) |
| 02:44.24 | ChkDigit | More like that, in your incoming H323 context... |
| 02:44.45 | vpp | ok |
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| 02:46.20 | vpp | i get it |
| 02:46.44 | vpp | so route any number via h323 to quintum gateway |
| 02:47.12 | vpp | lemme try it |
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| 02:55.44 | TheEmperor | anyone know how to delete voicemail from a users extension from cli? |
| 02:56.45 | Qwell | TheEmperor: its all stored in /var/spool/asterisk |
| 02:57.07 | TheEmperor | Qwell: can delete from there? |
| 02:57.23 | Qwell | TheEmperor: should be able to |
| 02:57.30 | TheEmperor | thanks :) |
| 02:57.51 | newl | presuming you're the same user as the asterisk daemon or higher priviledges. |
| 02:58.04 | Qwell | well, yeah |
| 02:59.06 | TheEmperor | no way to delete from the asterisk cli? |
| 02:59.11 | TheEmperor | i'm logging in as root |
| 02:59.25 | newl | Not from the daemon itself, no. |
| 02:59.47 | newl | Though I can't imagine it'd be too difficult to write an application for doing so. |
| 03:00.24 | TheEmperor | oh, i thought there might be a command to do so |
| 03:01.51 | Vco | is there some simple way to be able to exit Voicemailmail after it picks up, and be able to dial out to antoher SIP extension? |
| 03:02.01 | Vco | voicemailmain rather |
| 03:02.43 | vpp | hmmm odd May 1 04:00:14 NOTICE[9083]: channel.c:1842 set_format: Unable to find a path from g723 to ulaw |
| 03:03.31 | vpp | in h323.conf i did |
| 03:03.32 | vpp | disallow=all |
| 03:03.39 | vpp | allow=alaw |
| 03:03.39 | vpp | allow=ulaw |
| 03:03.59 | newl | Vco: # will get you out of voicemail but will unfortunately not return you to the main menu to enter another extension. I'm sure you could whip something up for your VM context though. |
| 03:04.05 | vpp | [Test111] |
| 03:04.06 | vpp | type=h323 |
| 03:04.06 | vpp | context=incoming |
| 03:04.35 | vpp | i originated the call using sj phone |
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| 03:19.41 | WilliamK | kp = goood! |
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| 03:26.43 | newmedian | something like this, no? exten => _64.,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN:2}@mydestination) where the :1 strips one, and :2 strips two... |
| 03:29.02 | at561 | nice -> http://headphones.mit.edu:8000/ |
| 03:30.26 | newmedian | Speaking of audio, has anyone set up streaming from a live stream (e.g. www.di.fm) for music-on-hold rather than pre-recorded files? If so, how did that go for you? |
| 03:34.01 | WilliamK | interesting |
| 03:34.30 | WilliamK | newmedian, not sure if it'd fall under CARP rules for broadcasting |
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| 03:35.56 | newmedian | Traditional PBXs usually have a line-in jack for pulling in audio from an FM radio. Do you feel it would be classified differently? Because it's digital it no longer flies under the radar? |
| 03:36.23 | Qwell | It still requires a license. |
| 03:36.34 | Qwell | They stream DOES have a license to broadcast, but you do not. |
| 03:36.36 | WilliamK | my thoughts was it requires a license also |
| 03:36.47 | Qwell | just read the licensing stuff a few days ago |
| 03:37.19 | WilliamK | it's been a while since I read it, but am too familiar with it |
| 03:37.30 | newmedian | That might be an interesting "test case." The legality of "found audio" via a Radio versus a Digital Stream. I know there's a type of precedent for "found audio," but that's usually invoked for film & television shoots. |
| 03:37.39 | Qwell | the reason is, is because you're rebroadcasting it |
| 03:38.03 | WilliamK | newmedian, actually several companies here in Dallas were sued over the last 3 years for doing it on their PBX's |
| 03:38.31 | newmedian | Interesting. I wonder whether Canadian law is different on that. We're not quote so repressed. ;) |
| 03:38.35 | newmedian | quite |
| 03:38.42 | at561 | newmedian, that question comes up frequently. there's an implementation on voip-info.org but the main problem you'll run into is how the current musiconhold implementation blocks the child process which produces music if no one's on hold |
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| 03:39.21 | Qwell | newmedian: http://www.bmi.com/licensing/business/groupb/faq/musiconhold_answers.asp |
| 03:39.35 | at561 | so you should get it to either reestablish broken streams or have it throw away audio it can't write to stdout soon enough without blocking |
| 03:39.57 | Qwell | "Though radio stations are licensed with BMI to perform the music they broadcast, that agreement does not cover further public performance by those receiving the radio broadcast signal." |
| 03:40.02 | Qwell | "When radio music is used in music-on-hold, that use is a separate performance under the copyright law." |
| 03:40.08 | newmedian | Blech. |
| 03:40.49 | at561 | playing cds at a bar is also restricted |
| 03:41.00 | Qwell | at561: no kidding? |
| 03:41.07 | at561 | nope |
| 03:41.17 | Qwell | So, bars have to license jukeboxes? |
| 03:41.25 | WilliamK | commercial establishment |
| 03:41.29 | newmedian | (Thanks for the link). Here's a thought: Why not have a melodic generator, perhaps. Along the lines of Reason or a Korg Karma, producing unique chill/trance music that isn't under the thumb of BMI/ASCAP/etc. You could even overlay that audio with promos/announcements, etc. |
| 03:42.51 | at561 | you can send them to eliza piping through viavoice |
| 03:42.54 | newmedian | While there is a plethora of indie music out there, it might be nice to have something more ambient happening that isn't to vocalist oriented. |
| 03:42.59 | Qwell | hmm |
| 03:43.03 | Qwell | randomly generated music... |
| 03:43.18 | Qwell | I wonder what would happen if it generated something that had already been done before |
| 03:43.37 | Qwell | if you could absolutely prove that the generator created it randomly, could you still be sued? |
| 03:43.48 | at561 | what's "randomly" anyway |
| 03:44.15 | Qwell | well, it wouldn't be completely random, it would have logic to make it actually sound like something |
| 03:44.26 | newmedian | (With the new Star Wars movie coming out, you could always use the MP3s from the zip here: http://www.chrisbouchard.co.uk/ from the Soundtrack of Star Wars: Revelations; I think he'd be okay with that. But Star Wars soundtrack might be a tad too geeky for everyday PBXers) |
| 03:44.54 | newmedian | You can't be sued because they don't own the copyright to the music. |
| 03:45.08 | Qwell | Who doesn't? |
| 03:45.10 | newmedian | BMI/ASCAP/blah blah can only sue you for music under their control. |
| 03:45.24 | at561 | if you make your random music generator too simple it will start to produce britney spears tunes |
| 03:45.30 | stevej | A million monkees at a million keyboards? It would depend on what you use as the definition of a copy. |
| 03:45.31 | Qwell | I mean anybody. If your generator makes something that is strikingly similar to something... |
| 03:46.11 | newmedian | There have been cases in the US where certain progressions were similar to others and lawsuits happened, but we're moving into the realm of the theoretical. Unless you deliberately introduce riffs from well known songs, you shouldn't have any problem. |
| 03:46.21 | Nethab | i think his point is that there are only so many combinations of notes that the human brain finds musical |
| 03:46.37 | Nethab | and therefore there are only a finite possible number of songs |
| 03:46.42 | Qwell | There is so much crap out there, that "random" could easily do something like another song |
| 03:46.45 | Qwell | Nethab: yeah, exactly |
| 03:46.57 | at561 | yeah i wonder how well the song consisting of 4:33 of silence is protected |
| 03:47.00 | newmedian | Thoughtcrime. Doubleplus ungood Crimespeak. |
| 03:47.25 | Nethab | I recorded that silence on a Sennheiser Evolution 855 I know it's mine! |
| 03:47.46 | Nethab | that's like copyrighting the color white |
| 03:48.10 | Nethab | "that particular combination of red and blue and green is MY color of white!" |
| 03:48.31 | newmedian | I always thought the ambient sound in Star Trek Next Gen from in the corridors was a nice sound. When there's no music, no talking, no spfx, just the white? noise with the ambient properties of the corridors. mmm. |
| 03:48.51 | Nethab | hehehe comfort noise |
| 03:48.53 | stevej | No, it's mine, and it's cyan, magenta, and blue! |
| 03:48.56 | newmedian | Red vs Blue? http://www.redvsblue.com/home.php |
| 03:49.23 | Nethab | I don't fight, i'm a pacifist... |
| 03:49.30 | Nethab | your a thing that babys suck on? |
| 03:50.09 | newmedian | No, that's a diesel. A Vin Diesel. |
| 03:50.18 | Nethab | no dude that's pedophile |
| 03:50.24 | Vco | o.O |
| 03:51.09 | Nethab | speaking of Tom Cruise |
| 03:52.02 | Vco | wow..this channel is much less linear than i remember |
| 03:52.16 | pussfeller | play the opening riff to 7 nation army over and over and over and |
| 03:52.17 | Nethab | linear, no no no we prefer interleaving |
| 03:52.29 | newmedian | he's inter, and you're leaving |
| 03:52.55 | newmedian | I think it's just that time of night when there's a nice cognitive dissonance going on. |
| 03:53.08 | Nethab | i can't believe i witnessed a heated discussion by all the ops of this channel earlier today |
| 03:53.19 | at561 | harvard and yale are playing rap. mit is playing live deerhoof |
| 03:53.27 | at561 | what about? |
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| 03:53.50 | Nethab | about the FSF and a $1000 licensing fee |
| 03:53.55 | newmedian | ? |
| 03:54.17 | Nethab | something to do with AGI and the manager interface |
| 03:54.18 | Qwell | research fee, basically |
| 03:54.23 | newmedian | ouch. |
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| 03:54.36 | at561 | maybe that's what pays for the deerhoof concert |
| 03:55.09 | newmedian | they'd be deerfeated before they started |
| 03:55.14 | Vco | revisiting my earlier question....would it be possible to leave ..say...a 2 or so second wait time for Voicemailmain to kick in after pixking up a Zap channel, , and give myself a window to dial to a SIP extension? |
| 03:55.31 | Vco | err..picking up ..rather |
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| 03:56.12 | Nethab | i use WaitExten |
| 03:56.19 | newmedian | Why not do a Background playing a silence wav of a certain length (2 secs) that detects a dtmf and branches to an extension, and when times out goes to Voicemailmain |
| 03:56.48 | Nethab | waitexten will wait the number of seconds given for an extension then move on if it doesn't get one |
| 03:57.05 | newmedian | Well, if you want to do it the proper way, sure. be that way. ;) |
| 03:57.10 | Nethab | ha |
| 03:57.38 | Vco | slick... |
| 03:57.41 | Vco | thanks.. |
| 03:59.38 | newmedian | I find that the nitty gritty implementation details seem to be spread out all over the place. Lots at the Wiki, of course, but individual dial plans, extensions, etc. are found all over parts of the web with useful tricks, plans, macros, etc. |
| 04:00.07 | Nethab | because we all have different ways to do the same thing, and there's no right way to do it, |
| 04:00.09 | newmedian | Have I just missed some "central repository" of plans which document concisely everyone's plans & configs? |
| 04:00.23 | newmedian | (Sounds like Perl) |
| 04:00.31 | Nethab | precisely |
| 04:00.51 | newmedian | What would be nice would be a "Asterisk Cookbook" |
| 04:01.01 | Nethab | some people like to do it in their dial plan, some like to make buttons on their phone do it |
| 04:01.30 | Nethab | what asterisk needs are a very simplified sample config |
| 04:01.31 | vpp | hmm i keep getting |
| 04:01.31 | vpp | May 1 04:59:59 NOTICE[2002]: channel.c:1842 set_format: Unable to find a path from g723 to alaw |
| 04:01.37 | vpp | even tho nothing is using g723 |
| 04:01.41 | Nethab | it's trying to convert but it can't |
| 04:02.05 | vpp | but both the originating and terminating should be using alaw |
| 04:02.08 | vpp | (g711) |
| 04:02.30 | vpp | i just did |
| 04:02.30 | vpp | disallow=all |
| 04:02.37 | vpp | allow=alaw |
| 04:02.42 | vpp | in my h232.conf |
| 04:02.48 | vpp | *h323.conf |
| 04:02.57 | Nethab | what version of asterisk, i had that problem several months ago |
| 04:03.02 | vpp | oh |
| 04:03.05 | newmedian | I'd like to duplicate some of the functionality of the (becoming defunct) Primeline service, for example. And other value added features. And I'm sure I'm just reinventing the wheel, and it irks me, because I keep stumbling across good sections of Asterisk code. |
| 04:04.40 | vpp | hmm |
| 04:04.40 | vpp | Asterisk CVS-HEAD-04/29/05-04:45:14 built by root@localhost.localdomain on a i686 running Linux |
| 04:04.46 | vpp | how do i show the version |
| 04:04.53 | Qwell | show version |
| 04:04.56 | vpp | i used CVS to get it the other day |
| 04:04.56 | Vco | Thanks guys...exactly the step i needed.... |
| 04:05.00 | vpp | yeah thats what it said |
| 04:05.03 | Nethab | are you kidding, the only way for noobs to ask questions is to form them in the form of a complaint |
| 04:05.39 | newmedian | uh, there's an unpleasant implication there ;) but... okay. |
| 04:06.53 | Nethab | for example "Why does the manager API suck so bad" |
| 04:07.09 | Nethab | that's how you ask about your problem with the manger api |
| 04:07.15 | vpp | hmm maybe i should download a stable version and forget CVS ? |
| 04:07.22 | vpp | what version u running? |
| 04:07.30 | Nethab | i use HEAD too |
| 04:07.44 | newl | Ya know what would be really nice in CVS? A real live ChangeLog, not this poorly maintained one. ;) |
| 04:07.56 | Qwell | newl: volunteer |
| 04:08.17 | Nethab | wait there's a changelog? |
| 04:09.00 | Nethab | I think there's a changelog for a release, but I use HEAD so it's usually way behind the times for my system |
| 04:09.02 | newl | Qwell: Quite honestly, if the developers used it properly and submitted along with their code commits it wouldn't normally be an issue. |
| 04:09.25 | newmedian | Has anyone used VMWare to set up virtual networks to play with Asterisk in a "sandbox" configuration? I understand with version 5 you can introduce artificial network conditions in the virtual networking to simulate latency problems, connectivity issues, etc. |
| 04:09.28 | Qwell | When I code, I can't be bothered to document |
| 04:09.53 | vpp | hmm any ideas? |
| 04:10.21 | vpp | it looks like its ignoring its own codec settings in h323.conf |
| 04:10.24 | newmedian | And when does IAXy version 2 hit the streets? And what's the difference (whine, whine) ;) |
| 04:10.40 | vpp | also ignoring the ones on the terminating gateway set g711 only |
| 04:10.48 | vpp | is there anywhere else the codecs are set on asterisk? |
| 04:10.54 | newl | Qwell: Same here, however the projects I contribute to, ChangeLog is quite handy to have current. e.g. Someone pops in here saying that they updated today and two days ago some feature worked. It is quite easy to hit the ChangeLog and figure out what happened between those two days instead of sifting through a cvs diff. |
| 04:12.35 | blakeops0 | Documentation is the thing that seperates open source projects and the real world |
| 04:15.52 | newmedian | I find there's a bit of pig headedness too, usually from the people who started projects. Not always, just occasionally. I've tried to contribute and have found bugs/problems but have had a few experiences where issues were disregarded and the maintainer pulled ego trip etc. denying problems, ignoring issues. They took their toys and went home, and I got tired and stopped banging my head against the wall. Thankfully I haven't tr |
| 04:15.54 | newmedian | much of that. |
| 04:16.43 | Qwell | newmedian: yeah, I know a few projects like that... |
| 04:17.01 | Qwell | one of said projects, the original author is gone though |
| 04:17.27 | *** join/#asterisk file (~file@mctn1-6880.nb.aliant.net) |
| 04:17.40 | Qwell | I hear you made muffins? |
| 04:17.43 | Nethab | actually a buddy of mine uses ESX server as a full production environment |
| 04:17.50 | newmedian | Ah, nice. |
| 04:18.10 | Nethab | create an entire three tiered dmz in a 1u pizza box |
| 04:18.13 | newmedian | I'm about to upgrade to 5 Workstation. |
| 04:18.20 | Qwell | newmedian: let us know how it is |
| 04:18.21 | newmedian | (personally) |
| 04:19.15 | Qwell | I want to try 5, but can't be bothered to uninstall 4 |
| 04:19.15 | newmedian | Sure. I'm planning on trying some Asterisk related sandboxing using 5. I'll let y'all know how that goes. |
| 04:19.42 | Nethab | only problem is how do get hardphones into your vlan |
| 04:20.03 | newmedian | The only irritating thing is that they don't allow Crossgrades. My primary O/S when I purchased VMWare in the dawn mists of time was for Windows, and I'd prefer it to be the Linux as primary O/S. I work with multi-platforms, but I've reached the end of my rope with Microsoft. |
| 04:20.46 | Nethab | windows doesn't make a good vmware host |
| 04:20.53 | Nethab | especially after XP SP2 |
| 04:21.15 | newmedian | I'm a 2000 user. Heavily tweaked/modified. I have resisted moving to XP. |
| 04:21.37 | newmedian | I run it virtually, when I have to, to diagnose problems for clients. |
| 04:21.42 | newmedian | (XP, that is) |
| 04:22.32 | ManxPower | ~docs |
| 04:22.33 | jbot | Documentation can be found at http://digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or #asterisk-doc, or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk, or http://www.asteriskdocs.org |
| 04:22.35 | newmedian | Well, I imagine you could dedicate a network adapter and tunnel in the hard phones. What might be nice is a UDP & TCP replay injection for SIP. |
| 04:23.17 | ManxPower | ~mailinglist |
| 04:23.18 | jbot | mailinglist is, like, Search Asterisk mailing lists by prepending site:lists.digium.com to your Google search. Browse the mailing list archive at http://lists.digium.com/ |
| 04:23.44 | newmedian | Hmm. A SIP simulation tests in a VMWare 5 network with virtual networking problems. Might be interesting. |
| 04:24.22 | *** join/#asterisk r0d3nt|m (~RatMan@wsip-24-234-241-84.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 04:25.25 | newmedian | Anyone here ever build the Zapata boards, or everyone has come in at the Digium-purchase level? |
| 04:25.42 | newmedian | I suppose I mean the PCI one. |
| 04:29.45 | Nethab | i wonder when digium will release the PCI-X version |
| 04:30.23 | Nugget | Yeah. I want a pci-x version and osx zaptel drivers. :) |
| 04:30.43 | *** join/#asterisk r0d3nt (~RatMan@wsip-24-234-241-84.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 04:31.27 | Nethab | i want a bunny |
| 04:31.47 | Nethab | and a pony |
| 04:31.48 | newmedian | hare today and gone tomorrow |
| 04:32.04 | Nethab | cause if your gonna wish for world peace, you might as well wish for a pony while your at it |
| 04:33.24 | newmedian | Do you know what the Digium/Asterisk policy is regarding the use of the name Asterisk? Specifically I'm curious about people using the word Asterisk inside of a domain name with Asterisk related content. |
| 04:41.25 | Nethab | i don't have any idea |
| 04:43.42 | Nethab | how many people have polycom's and cisco's |
| 04:43.48 | Qwell | 3 |
| 04:43.53 | Nethab | 3 people |
| 04:43.58 | Qwell | yes |
| 04:44.12 | Nethab | i guess that's why everyone is unloading cisco's on ebay |
| 04:44.43 | Qwell | its all the same guy |
| 04:44.47 | Nethab | but I never see polycoms on there |
| 04:45.03 | Nethab | same guy 10 logins? |
| 04:45.06 | Qwell | yes |
| 04:45.10 | CeNTauR^6 | what do you guys think aboutt he sipura handsets? |
| 04:45.28 | Nethab | the 841? |
| 04:45.32 | CeNTauR^6 | yea |
| 04:46.13 | Nethab | never heard of it |
| 04:46.28 | CeNTauR^6 | one of the distributers here ins Aus siad they had a very high failure rate |
| 04:46.53 | Qwell | I think atacomm was saying the same thing about the earlier models |
| 04:46.55 | Nethab | well all i can say is the 3 people have are Cisco Polycom and Snom |
| 04:47.13 | Nethab | as far as hard phones go |
| 04:47.30 | Nethab | although you know Cisco just bought Sipura |
| 04:47.40 | CeNTauR^6 | no i didnt know that |
| 04:47.45 | Nethab | yeah this week |
| 04:47.55 | CeNTauR^6 | well there goes their prices..... |
| 04:48.06 | Nethab | and the AC adapter |
| 04:48.19 | Nethab | that was a cisco 79X0 joke |
| 04:48.19 | CeNTauR^6 | all the decent handsets in Aus are $400 AUD |
| 04:48.28 | *** join/#asterisk file (~file@mctn1-6880.nb.aliant.net) |
| 04:48.47 | Nethab | how long till cisco sells the sipura devices without an AC adapter file |
| 04:49.14 | newl | Even though the AUD is alot better against the USD prices here never seem to change accordingly. |
| 04:49.16 | Qwell | selling the adapter seperate makes sense |
| 04:49.17 | CeNTauR^6 | lol they havent done that witht he linksys stuff yet |
| 04:49.24 | file | ugh taking apart my Mac Mini makes me sad |
| 04:49.52 | newl | file: You would have felt more sad had you paid Apple to do the upgrades for you. :D |
| 04:50.02 | Qwell | Nethab: a) they're trying to promot PoE, b) people who do have PoE won't need an adapter |
| 04:50.12 | Qwell | promote* |
| 04:50.37 | Nethab | then sell one with and without |
| 04:50.48 | Nethab | and how about putting PoE in their linksys |
| 04:51.15 | CeNTauR^6 | yeah... well for a home VoIP solution there isnt much out there in the way of decent affordable gear |
| 04:51.20 | Nethab | not as an endpoint like their wireless accesspoints |
| 04:51.22 | Qwell | has linksys even made wired products lately? |
| 04:51.34 | CeNTauR^6 | yeah |
| 04:51.48 | CeNTauR^6 | i have the Linksys PAP2 |
| 04:51.49 | *** part/#asterisk bkw_ (~brian@bkw.developer.and.friend.of.asterisk) |
| 04:51.53 | Nethab | if linksys had built in PoE then that's make sense |
| 04:51.58 | CeNTauR^6 | thats the sipura 2000 clone |
| 04:52.20 | Nethab | that's why the linksys division bought sipura the company |
| 04:52.27 | paulsen | IIRC, linksys have wireless routers with PoE |
| 04:52.37 | Qwell | paulsen: Thats my joke. You can't have it! :p |
| 04:52.37 | paulsen | or they are on the way |
| 04:52.51 | Nethab | they have wireless accesspoints with PoE recievers so you don't have to plug them in |
| 04:52.59 | Nethab | i don't think they have PoE servers |
| 04:53.15 | ManxPower | SIPura had a good change to make good phones. |
| 04:53.18 | paulsen | PoE servers? as in switches? |
| 04:53.28 | Nethab | well providers/ clients |
| 04:54.24 | Nethab | the problem with PoE is they have to be downstream you can't cascade PoE over multiple switches |
| 04:54.43 | Qwell | with PoE, you use standard CAT5, right? |
| 04:54.44 | Nethab | and the length of the cable run is an issue too |
| 04:54.47 | Nethab | yes |
| 04:54.53 | Qwell | same wiring? |
| 04:55.05 | Qwell | like, I could take an existing cable, and put it on a PoE net? |
| 04:55.12 | paulsen | yes |
| 04:55.18 | Nethab | yes they either use the unused pairs, or modulate inband and have a chip to seperate them at the endpoint |
| 04:55.19 | paulsen | it only needs cat5 |
| 04:55.35 | Qwell | What if your switch is PoE and your endpoint isn't? |
| 04:55.37 | paulsen | I thought it was unused pairs only |
| 04:55.39 | Qwell | Will it die a horrible death? |
| 04:55.46 | paulsen | (since you cant have PoE and GigE at the same time) |
| 04:56.02 | Qwell | gige uses all 8? |
| 04:56.02 | Nethab | if it's unused pins, it MIGHT be ok, if those pins aren't (stupidly) grounded on the endpojnt |
| 04:56.04 | paulsen | Qwell: it's probably some kind of sensing mechanism in plase |
| 04:56.06 | paulsen | Qwell: yes |
| 04:56.22 | Qwell | paulsen: ahh, like, "Are you a PoE device?" "No? ok, I better not blast you then" |
| 04:56.43 | paulsen | probably |
| 04:56.45 | paulsen | I dont know for sure |
| 04:56.49 | Qwell | makes sense |
| 04:56.54 | paulsen | but what I do know is that you can only use 10/100mbit with PoE |
| 04:57.00 | paulsen | and that it uses the unused pairs |
| 04:57.11 | Qwell | so PoE uses 1, or 2 pairs? |
| 04:57.16 | paulsen | that im not sure about |
| 04:57.27 | paulsen | I would imagine two pairs |
| 04:57.28 | Nethab | 1 pair is all that's needed |
| 04:57.36 | Nethab | hot and gound |
| 04:57.36 | paulsen | since you dont want ground and positive pair'ed |
| 04:57.46 | Qwell | You know, I like that I can ask random network questions in here, and generally get an answer, heh |
| 04:57.56 | CeNTauR^6 | :) |
| 04:58.00 | paulsen | most freebsd admins have some degree of network knowledge |
| 04:58.11 | paulsen | for example, alot of us admin cisco gear aswell |
| 04:58.14 | paulsen | for some unknown reason |
| 04:58.20 | Qwell | yeah.. |
| 04:58.25 | Nethab | and most monkeys have a rudimentary knowledge of physics to target their poop throwing |
| 04:59.22 | paulsen | haha |
| 04:59.24 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 04:59.33 | Nethab | good morning |
| 04:59.47 | Qwell | guten yacht |
| 04:59.47 | meppl | ;) |
| 04:59.49 | meppl | ;) |
| 05:00.27 | newl | guten abend |
| 05:00.56 | Qwell | ugh, don't say that word |
| 05:01.13 | *** join/#asterisk ManxPower (~eric@adsl-35-236-60.msy.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:01.24 | Nethab | manx |
| 05:02.17 | CeNTauR^6 | are there any easy to use billing systems? |
| 05:02.22 | vpp | arghhhh. done a make update and stil getting |
| 05:02.22 | vpp | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.28 | Nethab | easy to use? |
| 05:02.40 | CeNTauR^6 | easy to setup rather |
| 05:02.59 | CeNTauR^6 | i have the CDR in a mysql database |
| 05:03.02 | Nethab | what phone are you using |
| 05:03.24 | vpp | who me? SJ phone |
| 05:03.24 | CeNTauR^6 | just im crap at programming |
| 05:03.26 | *** join/#asterisk coppice (~chatzilla@60.195.17.210.dyn.pacific.net.hk) |
| 05:04.58 | *** join/#asterisk jcollie (~jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) |
| 05:05.20 | vpp | terminating to quintum |
| 05:05.27 | CeNTauR^6 | so i was looking for somthing that will calculate call costs based on the destination |
| 05:07.43 | Nethab | can you determine which channel is trying to use g723 |
| 05:07.52 | Nethab | by doing sip show channel |
| 05:09.12 | vpp | but its using H.323 |
| 05:10.02 | vpp | from the SJ phone log i can see the incoming/outgoing as A-Law G711 |
| 05:10.10 | vpp | sorry u-law |
| 05:12.54 | Nugget | vpp fought the law and the law won. |
| 05:14.19 | Nethab | so you know that the sjphone isn't trying to use g723 |
| 05:14.42 | vpp | yes.. the only codec enabled on it is G711, and i see in the log that its using G711 |
| 05:14.53 | CeNTauR^6 | no takers on the billing question? |
| 05:14.58 | vpp | and the only codec on the quintum is g711 |
| 05:17.54 | Nethab | have you tried the wiki for billing |
| 05:18.46 | CeNTauR^6 | yeah looking though all the search results now |
| 05:18.53 | CeNTauR^6 | just thought you guys may have a recommendation |
| 05:19.46 | Nethab | nah i don't have any paying customers |
| 05:19.47 | vpp | Nethab, i read there is a way to make a test call from the console? |
| 05:19.58 | vpp | but i dont remembe the specifics |
| 05:20.08 | Nethab | yes, but it requires a good setup of oss or also on the system |
| 05:20.13 | Nethab | alsa |
| 05:20.22 | vpp | oh |
| 05:20.24 | file | ugh tired |
| 05:20.34 | Nethab | in otherwords a working sound card |
| 05:20.46 | Nethab | does your asterisk box have a working sound card |
| 05:20.53 | vpp | i cant do it anyway, forget the speach, just to see if it brings the leg up |
| 05:20.55 | Nethab | and can you get sounds to play through it |
| 05:20.58 | vpp | yes it should have |
| 05:21.09 | vpp | but i havnt tested it |
| 05:21.20 | file | yay Tiger |
| 05:21.34 | Nethab | you got tiger working on your laptop? |
| 05:22.10 | Qwell | I have Tiger in PearPC in Windows in VMWare |
| 05:22.14 | file | I don't even have a mac laptop unfortunately |
| 05:22.16 | file | I have a mac mini |
| 05:22.19 | Nethab | vpp if you had another system you could test call the other sip phone |
| 05:22.21 | file | it's installing as we speak |
| 05:22.35 | file | really cool - bought the bluetooth/airport express card, and wireless keyboard+mouse |
| 05:22.41 | Nethab | so you on your laptop installing tiget on your mac |
| 05:22.43 | file | so only cables going to it are power, monitor, and speakers |
| 05:22.53 | Damin | Qwell: How is that working for you? ;) |
| 05:23.03 | Qwell | Damin: dunno, I made that all up |
| 05:23.11 | Nethab | wow out of the wood work they come |
| 05:23.19 | Qwell | slow as a dog though, I'd bet :p |
| 05:23.24 | newl | Qwell: that's almost as bad as Windows->WinUAE->Shapeshifter->VirtualPC :) |
| 05:23.35 | Qwell | what are winuae and shapeshifter? |
| 05:23.53 | newl | WinUAE is an Amiga emulator, Shapeshifter is a Mac emulator. |
| 05:24.27 | Qwell | an amiga mac um? |
| 05:24.30 | Qwell | emu |
| 05:25.00 | Nethab | linux -> vmware windows -> virtiual pc freebsd -> basilisk mac od |
| 05:25.08 | Nethab | os |
| 05:25.15 | Qwell | mac hardware > tiger |
| 05:25.18 | newl | Qwell: Yep. 68k Mac emulator. |
| 05:25.24 | Damin | Wow.. |
| 05:25.32 | Nethab | my imagination -> pr0n |
| 05:25.40 | Damin | California Pizza Kitchen Frozen Pizza ROCKS! |
| 05:26.25 | Nethab | you eat it frozen? |
| 05:26.45 | Damin | Nethab: No.. there is this thing called an oven? |
| 05:26.49 | coppice | it wouldn't be like a rock otherwise |
| 05:28.09 | Damin | http://www.cpk.com/grocery/index.cfm |
| 05:28.35 | Damin | A taste of Bangkok brings spicy peanut ginger sauce and scrumptious sesame chicken satay to the top of a pizza finished with bean sprouts, carrots and green onions. |
| 05:28.50 | Damin | It was damn good! |
| 05:29.37 | coppice | "Jamaican Jerk Chicken" - they make a special pizza for stupid Jamaicans? :-\ |
| 05:29.59 | Nethab | he's not stupid, he's a jerk |
| 05:30.27 | Nethab | or in otherwords a girl magnet |
| 05:30.36 | Nethab | they're all attracted to jerks |
| 05:31.04 | iq_ | Any proxy server for Asterisk Media? |
| 05:32.20 | Nethab | define media |
| 05:34.05 | *** join/#asterisk Xen^ (linux@202.5.131.19) |
| 05:34.21 | Damin | Nethab: A CD-Rom w/ Asterisk Source code on it? |
| 05:34.22 | iq_ | SIP is signaling and Codecs/Audio is media ... thats what I think :) |
| 05:35.09 | Xen^ | can some one tell me which ip phone is best for testing ? |
| 05:35.34 | CoaxD | um |
| 05:35.34 | Damin | Xen^: They are all good for testing. |
| 05:35.40 | Nethab | asterisk is a media proxy as well as a signaling controller |
| 05:35.44 | CoaxD | thats like asking.. "Which brand oxygen is best for saving lives?" |
| 05:35.46 | Xen^ | Damin : name one |
| 05:35.58 | Damin | Xen^: You can test with anything, including tin cans and string.. |
| 05:35.59 | Xen^ | CoaxD : hmm |
| 05:36.00 | Nethab | most people use X-lite for testing cause it's free and well known |
| 05:36.05 | iq_ | Nethab, asterisk is proxy ? |
| 05:36.17 | CoaxD | <-- uses x-lite for sure |
| 05:36.20 | coppice | The buggiest ones give you the greatest potential for testing :-) |
| 05:36.21 | CoaxD | (for testing) |
| 05:36.23 | Xen^ | Damin : i need one cheap IP phone man thats why i am asking |
| 05:36.23 | Nethab | yes, it can proxy and transcode between codecs |
| 05:36.39 | Nethab | and it's also a server phones register |
| 05:36.39 | Xen^ | CoaxD : thats softphone i need hardphone :) |
| 05:36.40 | CoaxD | Xen: if its jut for testing, dude, grandstream 101 |
| 05:36.47 | CoaxD | Xen: Why do you need hardphone for testing? |
| 05:36.52 | CoaxD | Xen: For god sakes, ITS TESTING |
| 05:36.59 | Nethab | hard phone or soft phone |
| 05:37.00 | Damin | Xen^: I just plug a microphone into my PC and make beeping noises approximating modem tones.. |
| 05:37.02 | iq_ | Nethab, its great to know. |
| 05:37.11 | Nethab | i'm glad |
| 05:37.12 | Xen^ | hmm |
| 05:37.23 | Nethab | X-Lite is a free softphone |
| 05:37.36 | Nethab | hardware isn't cheap though |
| 05:37.41 | Nugget | sure it is. |
| 05:37.48 | Nugget | you can buy a hardware sip phone for $65. |
| 05:37.58 | Xen^ | i have X-PRO, eyeBeam and i tested all :) |
| 05:38.04 | Xen^ | and works great for me |
| 05:38.08 | Nethab | but for testing purposes if you used that you'd be put off right awayt |
| 05:38.24 | Nethab | cheap hard phones are just that, cheap |
| 05:38.31 | iq_ | Nethab, how can asterisk work as proxy? |
| 05:38.46 | Damin | Get a Polycom IP 500 for $185. It's a great phone. |
| 05:38.52 | Xen^ | iq_ : its sip proxy man :) |
| 05:38.54 | Nethab | it sits in the path of the RTP stream |
| 05:39.07 | iq_ | Xen^, no it is not :) |
| 05:39.08 | Nethab | and can forward it |
| 05:39.13 | iq_ | Nethab, it does not make it proxy |
| 05:39.21 | iq_ | Nethab, SER is proxy |
| 05:39.35 | Nethab | it's not a sip proxy, it's a media proxy |
| 05:39.45 | iq_ | Nethab, what is a media proxy? |
| 05:39.48 | Nugget | asterisk is not a sip proxy. |
| 05:39.53 | tainted- | when is the best time to get ahold of ppl at sixtel? |
| 05:39.58 | Nugget | it's difficult and a bad idea to try to make asterisk be a sip proxy |
| 05:40.01 | Nethab | it sits in the path of the voice stream and can translate it to other formats |
| 05:40.21 | iq_ | Nethab, how would you make asterisk proxy media without authentication, etc. ? |
| 05:41.08 | Nethab | you use asterisk as the sip server, and when the rtp leg is established asterisk sets itself as the destination |
| 05:41.27 | iq_ | Nethab, a media proxy should not require signalling/authentication |
| 05:42.34 | Nethab | asterisk doesn't require authentication, but most people require it to prevent abuse |
| 05:43.10 | iq_ | Nethab, how would I configure that ? No registration, no authentication, just proxy the media? |
| 05:43.50 | Nethab | you have to initiate the call through asterisk as the server, when you make the call the sip uri has asterisk set as the realm |
| 05:44.13 | Nethab | and the extension is routed to a peer in sip.conf |
| 05:44.15 | iq_ | Nethab, where does SIP come from ? |
| 05:44.32 | Nethab | a phone makes a call by requesting a sip uri |
| 05:44.38 | iq_ | Nethab, SIP is not media |
| 05:44.53 | Nethab | sip:<phonenumber>@server.com |
| 05:45.02 | iq_ | Nethab, :) |
| 05:45.14 | iq_ | Nethab, okay, one of us need to do some study |
| 05:45.44 | Nethab | i'm used to helping beginers here |
| 05:45.54 | Nethab | most of them don't know what a uri is |
| 05:45.56 | iq_ | Nethab, its great thing... :) |
| 05:46.08 | Nethab | so i explain everything |
| 05:46.32 | Nethab | maybe not so well, but the rest of them here aren't speaking right now |
| 05:46.35 | iq_ | Nethab, its a good thing to do :) ... I have about 5/6 Asterisk machines running. few in Asia and some in USA |
| 05:47.02 | iq_ | Nethab, my problem is that I need to figure out a way to resolve the NAT issue |
| 05:47.17 | Nethab | canreinvite = no on all peers |
| 05:47.27 | iq_ | Nethab, yeah :) |
| 05:47.28 | Nethab | that's how to stop re inviting |
| 05:47.45 | iq_ | Nethab, its all set |
| 05:47.47 | Nethab | so asterisk stays in the media path |
| 05:47.57 | iq_ | Nethab, actually, its a little more than basic newbie issue |
| 05:47.58 | Xen^ | Iftikhar Nethab is a good guy :) |
| 05:48.14 | iq_ | Xen^, who are you ? |
| 05:48.14 | Nethab | whatever an iftikhar is |
| 05:48.24 | iq_ | Nethab, I am an Iftikhar ;) |
| 05:48.36 | Nethab | i see |
| 05:48.37 | Xen^ | guess ;) |
| 05:48.43 | Nethab | do you taste like chicken? |
| 05:48.57 | Xen^ | Nethab : iq_ name is iptikhar :) |
| 05:49.08 | Xen^ | *iftikhar |
| 05:49.10 | iq_ | Nethab, you're welcome to try if you're a girl |
| 05:49.19 | Xen^ | lolz |
| 05:49.21 | Xen^ | hehe |
| 05:49.28 | iq_ | Nethab, IQ = Iftikhar Qureshi |
| 05:49.37 | Nethab | i thought it meant he's smart |
| 05:49.38 | Xen^ | yupz |
| 05:49.53 | iq_ | Nethab, dont worry. it does not ;) |
| 05:50.17 | Nethab | so you can't get asterisk to stay in the media path |
| 05:50.20 | *** join/#asterisk R-Guy (~ron-mirc@24.87.100.41) |
| 05:52.13 | iq_ | Nethab, some of the clients who're behind NAT using ATAs or IP Phones do not work properly |
| 05:52.16 | Nethab | could it be another native bridging bug |
| 05:52.20 | *** join/#asterisk LennonNZ (LennonNZ@port-219-88-247-208.jet.net.nz) |
| 05:52.24 | LennonNZ | evening people |
| 05:52.28 | iq_ | Nethab, no audio |
| 05:53.02 | iq_ | Nethab, at times audio is in one direction |
| 05:53.14 | Nethab | one direction audio is a very common nat problem |
| 05:53.35 | iq_ | Nethab, how do you solve it and what about no audio at all? |
| 05:53.37 | LennonNZ | are there any cheap E1 cards I can use for Asterisk? |
| 05:53.48 | Qwell | digium sells an E1 card |
| 05:53.57 | iq_ | Qwell, do they :O ? |
| 05:54.02 | LennonNZ | yes. but they are ^%*&& expensive |
| 05:54.05 | Qwell | digium.com > Hardware |
| 05:54.13 | Nethab | i've found that the most important part is to make sure all your rtp ports defined in rtp.conf are publicly accessible |
| 05:54.41 | iq_ | Nethab, which are 10k to 20k, right? |
| 05:54.50 | Nethab | if T1 cards were cheap then the phone company would have to lower T1 line prices |
| 05:54.59 | Nethab | the ports are configurable |
| 05:55.12 | Nethab | basically it's one port per call leg |
| 05:55.18 | Xen^ | Nethab : how can we check these ports from clients :) |
| 05:55.20 | iq_ | LennonNZ, cheap cards are cheap. Digium is good with good support |
| 05:55.25 | Nethab | so you can adjust based on approximate call volume |
| 05:55.25 | LennonNZ | the guy in NZ who sells them.. well orders them from overseas when if I order via him. so its cheaper to buy them myself from overseas |
| 05:55.39 | LennonNZ | there is no real "wholesale person" in NZ for the digium stuff |
| 05:55.43 | *** join/#asterisk firestrm (firestrm@S010600047577bccd.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 05:56.37 | iq_ | Nethab, all of the machines have all ports open |
| 05:56.40 | LennonNZ | ie If I want one tomorrow.. it would be impossible |
| 05:56.56 | LennonNZ | so I'mlooking for an alternative source of E1 cards which work in Asterisk |
| 05:56.57 | Nethab | well the best way to test is to turn on rtp debug in the console and see if any packets are being sent or recieved |
| 05:57.01 | Nethab | tcpdump is good too |
| 05:57.15 | Nethab | sangoma makes some, but their not cheap either |
| 05:57.20 | vpp | whats the difference between 'peer' and 'h323' in the h323.conf ? |
| 05:57.22 | iq_ | Nethab, TCP dump to check that ports are opeN ? |
| 05:57.39 | Nethab | to see if packets are making it through silly head |
| 05:57.59 | iq_ | Nethab, I think Xen^ question was different |
| 05:58.01 | firestrm | reverse engineering is fun!! :) |
| 05:58.04 | iq_ | Nethab, he said from "clients" |
| 05:58.19 | Nethab | nmap has a udp ping mechanism |
| 05:58.27 | firestrm | i fugured out that a digium s100 costs less than $20.00 to build.. |
| 05:58.28 | Xen^ | hmm |
| 05:58.40 | iq_ | Nethab, yes nmap can be used i guess |
| 05:58.40 | Xen^ | Nethab : i have person from Syria |
| 05:58.49 | Xen^ | he try to connect my US box but he can't |
| 05:58.55 | Nethab | you bought a person from syria? |
| 05:59.03 | iq_ | Xen^, ask him to use satellite phone they're cheaper |
| 05:59.08 | Nethab | how much, and does he have a sister |
| 05:59.11 | Xen^ | because he is using VPN |
| 05:59.12 | Xen^ | what i will do so he will connect to my machine ? |
| 05:59.21 | Nethab | ouch vpn is not good |
| 05:59.24 | Xen^ | wt |
| 05:59.25 | Xen^ | wtf |
| 05:59.26 | firestrm | het miister.. can i buy your siiistor? |
| 05:59.27 | Nethab | double the latency |
| 06:00.27 | Xen^ | i did |
| 06:00.29 | Xen^ | but no use |
| 06:00.37 | Xen^ | Nethab : you are good person :) |
| 06:00.43 | iq_ | Nethab, firestrm is asking you something |
| 06:00.56 | Nethab | huh what? all i saw was buying someones sister |
| 06:01.28 | firestrm | lol |
| 06:02.28 | iq_ | Nethab, since u r in business in buying so maybe he thought you might wanna sell too |
| 06:02.34 | iq_ | Nethab, anyways, maybe we should respect each other |
| 06:02.54 | Nethab | r-e-s-p-e-c-t find out what it means to me... |
| 06:03.11 | iq_ | Nethab, thanks for help |
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| 06:03.29 | Nethab | no problem, not like i actually did anything |
| 06:03.43 | iq_ | Nethab, atleast you tried |
| 06:03.56 | Nethab | i just talk and talk and talk, until people figure it out for themselves then they say thank you |
| 06:03.57 | firestrm | hey guys, ive allmost got the s100's figured out.. not much to em.. $20.00 worth of parts.. the tdm400 board looks a little more funkey though.. might take me a week or so.. |
| 06:04.03 | Xen^ | Nethab : can i pvt with you for a while ? |
| 06:04.28 | Nethab | $20? i'd think the ASIC would be at least that much |
| 06:04.44 | vpp | hmm i changed it from h323 to peer, and now i dont get the translation error |
| 06:04.52 | Nethab | cause they produce in such small quantities |
| 06:04.53 | vpp | but i also still dont get any voice |
| 06:05.03 | firestrm | Nethab, no asic on the s100's, there is on the tdm400 though |
| 06:05.10 | Nethab | oh hmm |
| 06:05.41 | firestrm | s100, is only an si3210 proslic |
| 06:05.51 | firestrm | + a few support parts |
| 06:06.01 | firestrm | si3210 is $8.00 |
| 06:06.11 | Nethab | yes a $100 capacitor that must be it |
| 06:06.24 | Nethab | tritatium gold plating |
| 06:06.50 | firestrm | lol.. must be government certified capacitor's |
| 06:07.03 | Xen^ | Nethab : can you give your aol id ? |
| 06:07.19 | Nethab | aol, who uses aol? |
| 06:07.35 | Nethab | no government certified goes to the lowest bidder |
| 06:08.17 | iq_ | Nethab, where r u located? |
| 06:08.26 | Nethab | i'm over here where are you |
| 06:08.40 | iq_ | Nethab, Nebraska |
| 06:08.41 | firestrm | Nethab, i reverse engineered for curiosity, and to see how much they are making off of this gear.. and also because im very gifted at reverse engineering hardware, but now that i can see how much they are marking it up.. hmm methinks the schematic will be posted somewhere, thats a ripoff what they are making off of it.. |
| 06:09.10 | Nethab | well you figure that's their only source of income |
| 06:09.24 | Nethab | it has to pay a salary |
| 06:09.34 | firestrm | must be.. |
| 06:09.46 | Nethab | and at my last job 43% markup was too low |
| 06:09.57 | vpp | firestrm: whats in the s100? |
| 06:10.04 | vpp | just an SLIC?! |
| 06:10.09 | Nethab | and razor blades cost pennies to make but cost a dollor or more |
| 06:10.18 | iq_ | Nethab, so where is here? |
| 06:10.41 | Nethab | where is here with a w at the front yes |
| 06:10.52 | firestrm | vpp, si3210 + a few support componants, transistors, caps, one big honking coil (for the -48v dc-dc converter) thats about it.. |
| 06:11.23 | Nethab | is the si3210 have the dtmf and callerid decoding in it |
| 06:11.35 | vpp | hmm interesting |
| 06:11.44 | firestrm | vpp, the schematic is allmost verbatum of Silicon Image's appnote on the part.. |
| 06:11.44 | vpp | the s100 is the one that has an ethernet port for AIX? |
| 06:11.47 | drumkilla | there is obviously more cost involved than the hardware. |
| 06:12.02 | vpp | i use the silvertel SLIC's myself |
| 06:12.04 | vpp | smaller |
| 06:12.07 | vpp | use less power |
| 06:12.12 | Nethab | probably licensing fees to silicon image |
| 06:12.25 | firestrm | vpp, ya i like silvertel too.. |
| 06:12.32 | Nethab | and they probably fab out the building |
| 06:12.43 | Nethab | don't do it in house |
| 06:12.46 | vpp | firestrm.. its FXS tho right? |
| 06:12.51 | vpp | or FXO ? |
| 06:13.07 | firestrm | Nethab, from the quality of the assembly, they are not paying much.. terrable qa |
| 06:13.19 | firestrm | vpp, fxs |
| 06:13.23 | vpp | ok |
| 06:13.24 | Nethab | heh have you seen the inside of a grandstream, and they charge 65 |
| 06:13.46 | vpp | i want a fxo |
| 06:13.47 | file | soooooooooo tired |
| 06:13.57 | iq_ | file, no date? |
| 06:13.58 | Nethab | is the tiger in the cage now? |
| 06:14.05 | file | soooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired |
| 06:14.10 | firestrm | does it have solder icesicles hanging off of the pins? my s100m does.. allmost shorts to next pin |
| 06:14.38 | Nethab | that's what happens when you go the custom hardware route |
| 06:14.39 | firestrm | vpp, fxo is even simpler.. |
| 06:15.00 | BoRiS | file!!!!!!! |
| 06:15.26 | file | BoRiS: hiiiiii |
| 06:15.28 | Nethab | fxo has less signalling to generate |
| 06:15.28 | coppice | firestrm: $20 is way too high |
| 06:15.31 | vpp | yeah i know it should be.. |
| 06:15.34 | firestrm | vpp, all the fxo consists of is an isolation ic pair |
| 06:15.39 | vpp | but they dont have an fxo yet do they? |
| 06:15.39 | BoRiS | How are you? |
| 06:15.44 | file | tired, barely concious |
| 06:15.54 | Nethab | so am I, i'm going to bed soon |
| 06:15.58 | file | but I got bluetooth+wifi for my Mac... plus wireless keyboard+mouse... and Tiger |
| 06:16.00 | firestrm | coppice, i was giving them the benifit of the doubt.. |
| 06:16.00 | file | so all is well |
| 06:16.13 | BoRiS | I am watching some cheap thriller movie on Scream and feeling pretty tired/bored. |
| 06:16.18 | Nethab | you bought a mini to go with your tiger |
| 06:16.28 | firestrm | vpp, fxo is pert x100m |
| 06:16.29 | file | I already had a mac mini, bought it during Spring VON |
| 06:16.33 | vpp | ahh |
| 06:16.37 | vpp | got a diagram :d |
| 06:16.40 | vpp | :D even |
| 06:16.48 | Nethab | you were at spring von? |
| 06:16.50 | drumkilla | file: I was there! |
| 06:16.52 | file | yes |
| 06:17.03 | Nethab | i was there too, but a few miles away |
| 06:17.04 | file | drumkilla: yes you were!!! |
| 06:17.05 | firestrm | vpp, schematic is allmost finished for s100m, nothing yet for x100m.. |
| 06:17.23 | vpp | cool.. when do u think u'll have it done? |
| 06:17.35 | vpp | no rush or anything.. but maybe u could email me it if i'm not here :d |
| 06:17.51 | Nethab | are they planning on having any more VON or astricon in san jose again? |
| 06:17.59 | drumkilla | Nethab: no clue |
| 06:18.04 | file | Nethab: not to my knowledge |
| 06:18.07 | file | now, gooooooooooooooodnight |
| 06:18.11 | Nethab | night |
| 06:18.13 | BoRiS | night night |
| 06:18.17 | Nethab | circular file |
| 06:18.22 | firestrm | vpp, i'll probbly post it somewhere.. |
| 06:18.30 | vpp | cool |
| 06:18.44 | firestrm | vpp, with a layout file for the home builders out there.. |
| 06:18.54 | vpp | great |
| 06:21.19 | firestrm | vpp, i want to figure out the daughterboard interface so i can determine the hackability of the tdm400 |
| 06:21.51 | vpp | it only depends on what chips are on it, and if u can/need to get the code out |
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| 06:23.11 | vpp | hmm i'm seeing remote RTP port as 0.0.0.0 on the quintum side |
| 06:23.14 | vpp | wtf |
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| 06:27.54 | vpp | and it works |
| 06:27.58 | vpp | was the sip bind address |
| 06:28.03 | vpp | even tho i'm using h323 |
| 06:28.05 | vpp | ?!? |
| 06:28.19 | BoRiS | you *need* to set the bind address in h323 |
| 06:29.42 | dash | speaking of RTP! Why doesn't asterisk send RTP packets to the port it receives them from, after a SIP session has been established? |
| 06:31.09 | iq_ | dash, good question |
| 06:31.44 | vpp | hmm nope made a mistake that wasnt it |
| 06:31.49 | vpp | i set the bind address already |
| 06:31.51 | vpp | no go tho |
| 06:33.18 | vpp | localhost*CLI> -- remoteIpAddress: 10.11.11.187 |
| 06:33.18 | vpp | localhost*CLI> -- remotePort: 49202 |
| 06:33.18 | vpp | localhost*CLI> -- ExternalIpAddress: 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:33.35 | vpp | is that normal? i know 127.0.0.1 is local host but should it be using its real ip address |
| 06:33.46 | vpp | *shouldn't |
| 06:45.36 | BoRiS | real external ip |
| 06:46.09 | vpp | the one of the interface |
| 06:46.21 | vpp | a quick google seems to show i'm not the only one getting this |
| 06:47.46 | vpp | cant find a solution tho :( |
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| 06:58.43 | Xen^ | when i scan for udp ports then i got this http://pastebin.ca/10700 |
| 06:58.50 | Xen^ | can some one tell me is this okay ? |
| 07:05.20 | vpp | KDXServer port? |
| 07:05.59 | Xen^ | well * server |
| 07:06.45 | vpp | oh lol i didnt read it properly |
| 07:06.48 | vpp | i just saw the 10700 |
| 07:07.14 | Xen^ | hmm |
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| 07:17.01 | vpp | hmm whats newer the CVS or asterisk 1.0.7? |
| 07:21.15 | tainted- | cvs |
| 07:21.24 | tainted- | don't run it unless u are dumb |
| 07:21.25 | vpp | thats what i thought... |
| 07:21.38 | tainted- | or are not using asterisk in production environment |
| 07:21.42 | vpp | cvs checkout asterisk <-- should give me the 'latest' development code |
| 07:22.01 | tainted- | bingo sherlock |
| 07:22.17 | vpp | seems older.. maybe it just looks that way |
| 07:22.35 | vpp | 1.0.7 is the latest stable right? |
| 07:22.40 | tainted- | yep |
| 07:22.45 | vpp | k cool |
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| 07:39.34 | vpp | ok i'm gonna be brave and try asterisk 1.0.7 with Open H.323 version v1.17.1 and PWLib v1.9.0 |
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| 07:40.45 | TheEmperor | anyone good with setting up cronjobs here? |
| 07:50.56 | Qwell | TheEmperor: man 5 cron |
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| 07:55.54 | Qwell | ~docs |
| 07:55.55 | jbot | Documentation can be found at http://digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or #asterisk-doc, or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk, or http://www.asteriskdocs.org |
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| 07:58.34 | firestrm | anyone know why _alert_info= would be broken when using a tdm400? |
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| 07:59.28 | felipex | hi at all |
| 07:59.35 | felipex | what is cwain driver? |
| 08:00.38 | firestrm | alert_info was working fine with my sipura 3k, but now no worky with tdm400 |
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| 08:19.08 | firestrm | anyone here know much about the whole SetVar(ALERT_INFO=Bellcore-r3) distinctive ring thing? it was working on a sipurs 3k but not working on a tdm400 |
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| 08:55.50 | langals | Hi there....wondering if someone could tell me how I would check the frame rate that a codec is using for a specific channel? |
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| 09:42.04 | fantomax1 | hi all |
| 09:42.15 | fantomax1 | i got this message on my * box |
| 09:42.23 | fantomax1 | too many opena files |
| 09:42.51 | fantomax1 | maximun retries exceeded , unable to allocare sip channel and unable to allocate RTP |
| 09:43.33 | fantomax1 | Is my system full ... or can I set some parameter in the OS to avoid it ? |
| 09:43.35 | fantomax1 | thansk |
| 09:43.38 | fantomax1 | thanks |
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| 10:29.51 | OloBola | hi |
| 10:31.22 | OloBola | trying to encode a voicemail message into mp3 using 'lame' encoder |
| 10:32.05 | OloBola | it was outputting audio 10x or so faster than normal for some reason |
| 10:33.08 | OloBola | I set the sampling frequency to 8000 for the input file, and 16000 for the outputted mp3 file. |
| 10:33.33 | OloBola | now it plays about twice as fast as it should, which is better. |
| 10:34.20 | illuvator | what's the command line |
| 10:35.16 | OloBola | well I'm using vb6 with LameEncoder on my windows machine. |
| 10:35.55 | OloBola | one of the properties allows me to set the frequencies for the input wav file and output file (mp3) |
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| 10:36.49 | OloBola | I don't really now what the hell I'm doing, but it's a little closer than before |
| 10:37.56 | OloBola | ok, I just set the input frequency to 4000 and it works now |
| 10:39.55 | illuvator | software is evil |
| 10:40.03 | illuvator | programmers are lazy |
| 10:40.24 | Druken | everyone is lazy |
| 10:41.13 | illuvator | yeah but programmers especially |
| 10:41.39 | coppice | i'm not lazy, but I really can't be bothered arguing the point :-) |
| 10:42.08 | Druken | smart ass |
| 10:42.11 | Druken | hehe |
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| 10:44.00 | OloBola | not knowing what I doing but doing it seems to be a little gay |
| 10:45.06 | Druken | uhmmm... yeah... what he said |
| 10:47.50 | OloBola | I confuse my inputs from my outputs sometimes |
| 10:48.20 | illuvator | i'd be careful where you stick that carrot then |
| 10:48.31 | Druken | hahaha |
| 10:48.54 | Druken | i was thinking, must be a guy... because i always confuse those things on my wife too... |
| 10:49.04 | OloBola | thanks! Good thing it's not a fruit |
| 10:54.43 | OloBola | ^ |
| 10:54.51 | Druken | has anyone create a wakeup call web application? |
| 10:55.06 | Druken | something like a hotel would use.. |
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| 10:58.10 | Blackvel | not me, you want that? |
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| 11:05.01 | Druken | i was lookin for it... if someone has it.. cool, i'll take it and modify it.. otherwise i'll just create my own |
| 11:05.11 | Druken | didn't want to redo something that's already done.. |
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| 11:12.50 | facek_ | elou |
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| 11:19.34 | christo | hi all |
| 11:20.15 | CoaxD | life sucks. I'm up with a 10mo child. *growl* |
| 11:20.28 | christo | aaww not good |
| 11:20.32 | CoaxD | ah well. i spose he's in a good mood. so, it isn't the worst thing in the world! |
| 11:20.40 | christo | you must be in Asia somewhere? |
| 11:20.52 | CoaxD | my 4 year old will be up in another hour and a half, too |
| 11:20.55 | christo | or .au |
| 11:20.59 | CoaxD | christo; Um, USA |
| 11:21.03 | christo | oh |
| 11:21.06 | CoaxD | cuz its 06:20am here. |
| 11:21.28 | christo | aah yeah - it's only 12.21 here. |
| 11:21.35 | CoaxD | ah |
| 11:22.11 | CoaxD | nah, this one is up for the day. :/ |
| 11:22.17 | christo | lol |
| 11:22.35 | CoaxD | by the end of the day, i'm gonna be screwed up for sure. hah |
| 11:22.39 | christo | just stick the 4 yr old in charge ;) |
| 11:22.42 | christo | haha yeah |
| 11:22.46 | christo | you'll be a gonner |
| 11:22.48 | CoaxD | sounds like the plan!! |
| 11:22.51 | christo | :) |
| 11:23.00 | christo | comedy |
| 11:24.27 | CoaxD | yeah, it'll turn out to be that way! |
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| 11:37.29 | christo | what would be the best way to store all this in a database so that my friends can view extensions thru a browser? http://pastebin.ca/10710 I'm running asterisk 1.0.5 |
| 11:37.57 | christo | ignore the obvivous typos on the extension numbers ;) |
| 11:38.40 | Druken | CoaxD: is it your 10 mo old? |
| 11:39.44 | christo | for the time being it is, altho he may well have disowned it by lunchtime |
| 11:40.23 | Druken | all i have to say is... welcome to parent hood :) should have kept it in yer pants :) hehe |
| 11:41.04 | Druken | christo, i'd use FOP for that |
| 11:41.10 | Druken | FOP == Flash operator panel |
| 11:41.39 | Druken | gives a nice graphical view of the extensions, |
| 11:46.45 | Druken | i'm assuming your looking for something similar? or am i way off in left field? |
| 11:51.45 | CoaxD | Druken: Nahhhh... not my kid |
| 11:52.02 | tzafrir | christo, store extentions in a database only to allow browsing in a browser? |
| 11:52.10 | tzafrir | bah... |
| 11:52.36 | CoaxD | Druken: But, i *do* have a 4 year old, so, technically, you're still correct. (he's still asleep in his bed! *lol*) |
| 11:53.05 | Druken | CoaxD: ahh, well... that's diffrent then... tell mommy to ger her ass out of bed and tend to her yonge :) |
| 11:53.34 | CoaxD | Druken: hahahah. mom's out of commission for a while. She's off galavanting. :) However, we're watching the kid! |
| 11:54.00 | Druken | i had a girlfriend once who had an infant, kid could cry right next to her... she wouldn't even flinch |
| 11:54.14 | Druken | CoaxD: sounds like fun :) |
| 11:54.16 | CoaxD | Druken: Yeah, thats the best kind of mom. Raises independant childre |
| 11:54.17 | CoaxD | n |
| 11:54.30 | CoaxD | From day 1, they have to fend for themselves at times |
| 11:54.45 | Druken | i can see at times... but not all the time.. |
| 11:54.49 | Druken | :) |
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| 11:54.57 | Druken | i'm a sucker for kids personally |
| 11:54.59 | CoaxD | Druken: Smart decision for you to break up with her, then! |
| 11:55.03 | tzafrir | christo, generally all it takes is a little script |
| 11:56.02 | tzafrir | However even when you do store extensions in a database you get basically the equivalent of asterisk's config files. |
| 11:56.29 | tzafrir | There's still nothing well defined in extensions.conf that you can call "an extension" |
| 11:56.48 | CoaxD | tzafrir: Um, sure there is |
| 11:56.55 | Druken | i personally belive extension is a bad word to use in voip |
| 11:57.03 | tzafrir | CoaxD, what is it, then? |
| 11:57.09 | CoaxD | tzafrir: exten => 1,1,Answer() |
| 11:57.17 | CoaxD | tzafrir: Extension 1, step 1! |
| 11:57.18 | Druken | most people think of extensions as they are to a normal PBX |
| 11:57.33 | tzafrir | CoaxD, it is highly dependent on your dialplan. |
| 11:57.44 | CoaxD | oh, sure. an extension in a normal PBX is directly associated with a handset |
| 11:57.51 | CoaxD | in asterisk, it may not be |
| 11:57.56 | Druken | exactly |
| 11:58.31 | Druken | i look at the dialplan in two aspects, incoming, and outgoing... |
| 11:58.42 | Druken | generally all my outgoing calls, follow the same path |
| 11:58.52 | Druken | my incoming calls, they can all be diffrent |
| 11:59.14 | CoaxD | Druken: For your setup, sure |
| 11:59.23 | CoaxD | Druken: I have a PBX that takes at least 6 known outgoing paths |
| 11:59.30 | CoaxD | Druken: (Depending upon the handset that dials.) |
| 11:59.48 | Druken | oh.. |
| 11:59.53 | CoaxD | Druken: incoming is all different too |
| 12:00.18 | Druken | i throw all my outgoing calls in the outgoing context, and depending on what number they are calling, depends on the route it takes |
| 12:00.31 | tzafrir | And there is basically nothing you can easily point at in the dialplan that is a "phone" or a "trunk". |
| 12:00.41 | Druken | newp |
| 12:01.07 | tzafrir | Not to mention that to be useful, each phone/trunk has to be defined outside of the dialplan |
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| 12:02.09 | Druken | how bout we all agree, that asterisk's configs are a bloody nightmare at times? |
| 12:02.42 | tzafrir | I wonder what it would take to add optional M4 support to asterisk's config files (just like in fvwm) |
| 12:02.52 | tzafrir | or any better idea? |
| 12:03.54 | Druken | hehe i remember someone had the idea of a tagged config.. |
| 12:04.23 | tzafrir | Until that happens, we'll just have to add all that "wizdom" to smart interfaces that will build consistent configuration to Asterisk. |
| 12:05.23 | Druken | i think alot of the problem is because of the dynamics of asterisk, it's hard to write out everything in a way for a standard editor |
| 12:05.25 | tzafrir | hmm, fvwm-like config files will not work: fvwm reads all of them configs in one shot. asterisk reads each one separately. |
| 12:06.29 | tzafrir | Druken, actually, I have no problem writing with a standard editor (vim is great). But data is duplicated, and this means that I have to do the same change in several places. |
| 12:07.55 | Druken | only way to reduce duplicate data, is to combine everything into a single config file, under subheadings for the various sections |
| 12:08.07 | Druken | then you can use something like fvwm configs |
| 12:08.20 | tzafrir | Druken, currently different modules read different config files |
| 12:08.34 | Druken | exactly |
| 12:08.42 | Druken | so it's almost impossible |
| 12:09.25 | tzafrir | Druken, however they all use the same parser to parse the configuration files. |
| 12:09.37 | tzafrir | You can extend the parser. |
| 12:10.07 | Druken | well, as i am not a programmer, i cannot do anything :) |
| 12:10.36 | CoaxD | Druken: Except bitch about asterisk's config subsystem, apparently :) |
| 12:10.36 | tzafrir | Some food for thought. The current parser has a special case for lines that begin with '#'. Those are parsed by it. |
| 12:10.43 | Druken | but there are enough programmers here to get virtually any task done, because you guys are all miracle workers :) |
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| 12:11.22 | tzafrir | Currently the only control word is '#include' But maybe it is possible to implement #define without actually breaking everything ? |
| 12:11.24 | CoaxD | asterisk is way more powerful becasue it does NOT operate exactly like every other PBX in the world |
| 12:12.21 | Druken | CoaxD: who's bitching? i just said that "sometimes" it's a nightmare |
| 12:12.30 | CoaxD | hehe ok |
| 12:12.48 | CoaxD | Druken: (Remember, 7:12am, have had 4 hours of sleep, and the current "children activated" count is now *2*.) |
| 12:13.06 | CoaxD | Druken: Got a 6 year old up too. :) (She's sitting quietly on the couch watching PBS, tho!) |
| 12:13.09 | Druken | i am able to navagate it ok... but i do agree with tzafrir, that alot of data is duplicate |
| 12:13.18 | tzafrir | (Though I bet I'm not the first one who had this "clever" idea, and implement it does break things all over the place) |
| 12:13.46 | Druken | CoaxD: 12 and 10 here, 3yr old is at grand parents, 8:15 here |
| 12:13.50 | Druken | been up since 6 |
| 12:14.35 | Druken | kids were watching movie... but have since come to bug me :) |
| 12:14.37 | CoaxD | Druken: Haha |
| 12:14.56 | CoaxD | Druken: at 12 and 10, hell, you could sleep in! |
| 12:15.23 | Druken | not when the wife wakes me up when she goes to work |
| 12:15.30 | CoaxD | heh |
| 12:15.38 | CoaxD | well, with a 3 year old, granted, she needs to wake you :) |
| 12:16.13 | Druken | caught the 12 yr old up at 1am last night sneaking out to the computer... lil bastard |
| 12:16.14 | Druken | :) |
| 12:16.26 | CoaxD | kick his ass!@ |
| 12:16.43 | Druken | i would if they were my kids :) |
| 12:17.10 | CoaxD | wooo |
| 12:17.14 | Druken | but no.. i'd rather torture them by being on the computer myself, and not allowing them to use the other ones |
| 12:17.18 | CoaxD | mr. crappy pants needs a diaper change. brb |
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| 12:21.18 | CoaxD | mr. crappy pants == mr. clean pants |
| 12:22.42 | Druken | :) |
| 12:23.14 | CoaxD | asterisk extension logic is *way* easier than children's logic |
| 12:23.29 | Druken | hmm.... who would have though i could be busy enough to actually miss calls from asterisk |
| 12:23.34 | CoaxD | child's logic: "Gee, I'm in a new diaper. I'll crap in it just so he has to needlessly use a new one!" |
| 12:24.05 | CoaxD | asterisk logic: "What's a diaper?" |
| 12:24.09 | Druken | hehe i always waited like 5 mins once i smelt it.. just to make sure they are done :) |
| 12:24.18 | CoaxD | hehe |
| 12:24.38 | CoaxD | there's one kid here who will crap her pants, get changed, and then about 45min later (on the dot, actually) crap again, with a far bigger load |
| 12:24.42 | Druken | 5 mins won't kill them |
| 12:24.44 | Druken | :) |
| 12:25.03 | Druken | that's odd... |
| 12:25.10 | CoaxD | Druken: Yeah, tell me about it |
| 12:25.13 | Druken | that's WAY too regular |
| 12:25.28 | CoaxD | Druken: Yeah, scarey, aint it? *g* |
| 12:25.55 | Druken | cut down the chocolate :) start givin her oatmeal :) |
| 12:26.32 | CoaxD | Hahahahaha |
| 12:26.43 | CoaxD | aint my kid, sir. And she eats good food. |
| 12:26.53 | CoaxD | (Whacky child anyway, tho. She's a wierdo.) |
| 12:27.21 | Druken | what kid isn't a weirdo? |
| 12:27.30 | CoaxD | this one is ESPECIALLY a wierdo |
| 12:28.28 | Druken | the 8yr old here... if we goto mcdonalds or something... he'll ask for a burger like a bigmac or something, without everything, cept ketchup, becaue he doesn't like onions, pickels, basically anything and everything |
| 12:28.39 | Druken | this kid doesn't even like chocolate |
| 12:28.55 | CoaxD | why not just get a quarter pounder w/ cheese? :) |
| 12:29.06 | CoaxD | (I hate all the stuff on a big mac, too) |
| 12:29.06 | Druken | hehe |
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| 12:29.30 | Druken | even with that one, he'd want it without the onions, and pickels, etc |
| 12:29.56 | Druken | just ketchup.. i mean, he ate 2 waffels this morning, without anything on them |
| 12:30.27 | CoaxD | bahahahaha |
| 12:31.03 | Druken | hillarious too, took a knife and fork out.. but never touched them... just picked them up and ate them |
| 12:32.22 | CoaxD | haha |
| 12:32.32 | CoaxD | your chromosomes in that one? |
| 12:32.42 | Druken | newp |
| 12:32.45 | CoaxD | hehe |
| 12:32.48 | Druken | mines the 3yr old |
| 12:32.53 | CoaxD | OOOH! |
| 12:32.55 | CoaxD | Sweet! |
| 12:33.13 | CoaxD | having sex is fun. And then the baby pops out. |
| 12:33.17 | Druken | actually... we don't have a child together |
| 12:33.34 | Druken | nah.. she's been fixed long before we got together |
| 12:33.40 | CoaxD | oh! So, each separate relationship children |
| 12:33.50 | Druken | yep |
| 12:33.55 | CoaxD | schweet |
| 12:34.21 | Druken | there's 12, 10, 6, 5, and 3 |
| 12:34.21 | CoaxD | so, you got your sunday morning w/ the kiddo! (Except kiddo is with someone else on your sunday morn! hah.) |
| 12:34.29 | CoaxD | *gah* |
| 12:34.40 | CoaxD | you did all *that* for a GIRL??? |
| 12:34.44 | Druken | grand parents get mommy's alternating weekends presently |
| 12:35.01 | CoaxD | ah! |
| 12:35.08 | CoaxD | 'course |
| 12:35.17 | Druken | well, technically, only the 3 lives with us for now |
| 12:35.19 | CoaxD | my gf has 2 of her own, i have one, and gf's roomate has one |
| 12:36.17 | Druken | nothing wrong with that |
| 12:36.49 | CoaxD | and we ahve every single one at this juncture *g* |
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| 12:37.04 | Druken | yeah... we are lookin into gettin a bigger house to fit them all.. hehehe |
| 12:37.13 | Druken | it's a tight fit when they are all here |
| 12:37.32 | Druken | thank christ for pullout sofa's |
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| 12:38.34 | CoaxD | lol |
| 12:40.16 | Druken | i'd be set if a could find myself a nice.... country setting, with highspeed connection, with a house with like 6 bedrooms |
| 12:41.34 | CoaxD | hahaha |
| 12:41.54 | CoaxD | so let me get this straight.. you want to rent...the white house? |
| 12:42.03 | Druken | rent? pfft |
| 12:42.12 | CoaxD | oh |
| 12:42.16 | Druken | i want to buy my friend |
| 12:42.17 | CoaxD | well, if you want to FINANCE the white house... |
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| 12:42.29 | CoaxD | I'm sure you could get bush to cut you a deal on i |
| 12:42.42 | CoaxD | t |
| 12:42.53 | Druken | well, since i'm canadian, i don't think the whitehouse would be appropiate |
| 12:43.09 | CoaxD | hmmm i see |
| 12:43.11 | CoaxD | yes, that would do it |
| 12:43.58 | Druken | i tell ya tho... if i ever won the lottery... hehehe |
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| 12:44.23 | Druken | i'd buy myself a nice house out in the country, and have a few pairs of fiber run into it.. and call it a day :) |
| 12:45.18 | Druken | i'm sure once the fiber was run, i'd be broke again |
| 12:45.27 | CoaxD | oh of course |
| 12:45.36 | CoaxD | where does the fiber go? :) |
| 12:45.51 | Druken | would depend on the carrier |
| 12:46.14 | Druken | generally it'd go into the closest central office |
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| 13:04.55 | heison | ~seen JerJer |
| 13:05.12 | jbot | jerjer <~JerJer@DSL-226.206-rt-bras.che.centurytel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 3d 7h 41m 2s ago, saying: 'try ulaw or gsm'. |
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| 13:20.46 | newbien | amportal is a setup gui for asterisk? |
| 13:22.57 | meppl | guten morgen |
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| 13:36.39 | newbien | Cannot find extension context 'from-fwd' |
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| 13:47.02 | [cc]smart | i'm trying to use zapras. i have compiled and installed it and set up an entry in the dialplan. in syslog i get: Plugin zaptel.so loaded ..... Unable to put device 'stdin' into HDLC mode. |
| 13:47.09 | [cc]smart | i assume i need to add some configuration |
| 13:47.13 | [cc]smart | sbdy has a hint ? |
| 13:47.45 | [cc]smart | oops, forgot... this describes the reaction of pppd |
| 13:48.22 | uzd | hi. |
| 13:49.02 | uzd | anyone have new voicemail notification on their phones? like asterisk@home does.. to make your voicemail light blink on your handsets |
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| 13:52.29 | illuvator | uzd: are we talking about analog phones? |
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| 13:55.15 | newbien | how can i set up kphone and fwd as the proxy in asterisk 1.0? the wiki examples give errors |
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| 13:57.14 | masonc | Can anyone help installing a t1 => channel bank |
| 13:59.23 | illuvator | sure |
| 13:59.30 | masonc | thanks |
| 13:59.31 | illuvator | what model of channel bank? |
| 13:59.37 | masonc | I have a sangoma A101 |
| 13:59.41 | masonc | Adtran 600 |
| 13:59.57 | illuvator | haha, well, interesting |
| 14:00.00 | masonc | I took everything out except one 4 channel fxs card |
| 14:00.02 | illuvator | two devices i've never used :) |
| 14:00.18 | illuvator | what channel driver does the sangoma use in asterisk? |
| 14:00.25 | masonc | wanrouter |
| 14:01.07 | masonc | the TDM Voice span - should it be set to 1? |
| 14:01.57 | illuvator | hmm |
| 14:03.00 | masonc | THis is my problem |
| 14:03.00 | illuvator | ok give me a moment here |
| 14:03.03 | masonc | [root@altpbx wanpipe]# wanrouter start |
| 14:03.03 | masonc | Starting WAN Router... |
| 14:03.03 | masonc | Starting up device: wanpipe1 |
| 14:03.03 | masonc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.03 | masonc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.04 | masonc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.06 | masonc | Configuring interfaces: w1g1 |
| 14:03.08 | masonc | done. |
| 14:03.45 | illuvator | ok, so, I don't think I'll be able to help with this unfortunately |
| 14:03.51 | illuvator | i'm only used to use zapata devices |
| 14:04.04 | masonc | ok, thanks |
| 14:04.22 | masonc | I think I will have to call Sangoma |
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| 14:05.39 | uzd | you people actually use asterisk as your commercial pbx? |
| 14:05.41 | illuvator | have you seen this: |
| 14:05.45 | illuvator | http://www.sangoma.com/linux/asterisk-readme.htm |
| 14:05.46 | uzd | commercial/production |
| 14:05.53 | illuvator | yes |
| 14:06.00 | uzd | interestng |
| 14:06.05 | uzd | how many users? |
| 14:06.20 | illuvator | I have a system here in India with 25 seats |
| 14:06.24 | illuvator | call center |
| 14:06.34 | uzd | Nice. |
| 14:06.37 | illuvator | and one in the use for 45 seats which is just a normal office |
| 14:06.53 | illuvator | then I also use it for backhauling lage ammounts lf calls |
| 14:07.26 | Flusher | nice |
| 14:07.47 | Flusher | I've set up a asterisk @ work, it's working very well |
| 14:08.09 | Flusher | however it was difficult to understand the conf files |
| 14:08.33 | illuvator | yeah, the biggest system we have is a 4-way opteron which has 12 T1's doing IAX2/gsm/echo cancellation |
| 14:08.35 | Flusher | that's the main (only one maybe) reproach I could do to asterisk |
| 14:08.52 | Flusher | nice pet |
| 14:09.17 | illuvator | asterisk is very different than any other phone siwtch |
| 14:09.36 | illuvator | and since it is a phone switch the configuration is much different than any standard unix thing |
| 14:09.49 | Flusher | i ve been a network admin, i not familiar with telco (classical pbx, etc) |
| 14:10.03 | Flusher | i thought it would be easier to set up |
| 14:10.05 | illuvator | well, asterisk is so much better and easier to configure than any of that horse shit |
| 14:10.43 | Flusher | i had to find several tips to make it works with my voip (SIP) provider and some softphones such as x-lite |
| 14:10.51 | illuvator | yeah |
| 14:10.54 | masonc | asterisk us not hard to configure, jsut start with a very basic system and leaves lots of time for reading |
| 14:10.54 | illuvator | SIP is really hard |
| 14:11.09 | Flusher | voip-info is a nice resource but i had to find the infos for a while |
| 14:11.13 | illuvator | the problem is that SIP tends to be vendor specific |
| 14:11.20 | Flusher | yes right |
| 14:11.33 | illuvator | for example, try getting cisco SIP stations to work with an avaya VOIP switch |
| 14:11.35 | illuvator | it won't happen |
| 14:11.57 | masonc | I jsut setup a polycom 600 on asterisk |
| 14:12.00 | masonc | what a great phone |
| 14:12.12 | Flusher | and about the price ? |
| 14:12.40 | masonc | of the phone? |
| 14:12.44 | Flusher | yes |
| 14:12.48 | masonc | where are you |
| 14:12.57 | Flusher | i know the grandstream phones which are quite cheap |
| 14:13.00 | Flusher | i m in france, paris |
| 14:13.08 | mgth | grandstream phones suck |
| 14:13.10 | masonc | in the US, they are under $300 |
| 14:13.12 | Flusher | really ? |
| 14:13.18 | Flusher | what's the problem with these phones ? |
| 14:13.20 | masonc | expensive |
| 14:13.22 | mgth | yes they are barbertones |
| 14:13.24 | masonc | but awesome |
| 14:13.27 | mgth | barbietones |
| 14:13.32 | Flusher | ha yes, too expensive for me |
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| 14:13.41 | masonc | what does ZT_SPANCONFIG failed on span 1: Invalid argument (22) mean? |
| 14:14.00 | Flusher | i m starting an opensource software based company here in france, so i have to take care on expenses ... |
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| 14:14.13 | Flusher | and i thought budgetones from grandstream would suffire |
| 14:14.23 | masonc | then buy sipuras |
| 14:14.29 | masonc | great phone |
| 14:14.35 | Flusher | ok i ll find info about them |
| 14:14.46 | masonc | just got bought by cisco |
| 14:14.53 | Flusher | sipura is the company that has just been bought back isnt it ? |
| 14:14.53 | masonc | about $80 each |
| 14:15.03 | Flusher | by cisco yes |
| 14:15.09 | Flusher | ok this sounds nice |
| 14:15.26 | Flusher | even if it will be probably more expensive in paris |
| 14:16.33 | Flusher | Sipura SPA-841 |
| 14:16.50 | newbien | where would i search to find how to set up kphone and fwd for asterisk; wiki examples give errors |
| 14:17.31 | Flusher | for fwd, it's well described on voip-info.org |
| 14:18.04 | Flusher | and also for kphone : http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+phone+Kphone |
| 14:18.37 | Flusher | for fwd it's http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+How+to+connect+to+FWD |
| 14:18.38 | newbien | Flusher: yea, both wiki files for kphone and fwd give errors for asterisk 1.0 |
| 14:18.56 | Flusher | and there is another page for NAT |
| 14:18.58 | Flusher | k |
| 14:19.21 | Flusher | but the doc doesnt suffire ? |
| 14:19.28 | Flusher | it should be helpful |
| 14:19.38 | Flusher | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+FWD+NAT+Config+Example |
| 14:19.53 | Flusher | you should read this |
| 14:20.20 | Flusher | if you want to use fwd behind NAT |
| 14:21.37 | newbien | Flusher: thanks, stand alone linux box, no nat |
| 14:21.47 | Flusher | ok |
| 14:22.54 | newbien | NOTICE[98310]: Cannot find extension context 'from-fwd' |
| 14:23.04 | newbien | Unable to get our IP address, Skinny disabled |
| 14:23.15 | newbien | Read error on sound device: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 14:24.02 | newbien | all those errors are from many editings of the wiki examples for kphone and fwd setup |
| 14:25.24 | Flusher | unfortunately i havent try kphone yet, i can't help you |
| 14:25.39 | Flusher | moreover i m a newbie with asterisk ... |
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| 14:26.12 | Flusher | i m sure that someone of the 266 users here will help you :p |
| 14:27.05 | newbien | Flusher: thanks for the effort; this newbie will ask repeatedly here until i get some hints ;) |
| 14:29.39 | Flusher | :) |
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| 14:34.11 | newbien | in standard sip.conf context=from-fwd gives errors |
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| 14:48.36 | newbien | WARNING[16384]: Unable to get our IP address, Skinny disabled; wiki search gives no answers |
| 14:49.09 | Druken | that is just a warning, won't affect operation |
| 14:49.26 | Druken | NOTICE[98310]: Cannot find extension context 'from-fwd' |
| 14:49.36 | newbien | Druken: good, then everything should be operational and working? |
| 14:49.41 | Druken | means just what it says, you don't have a [from-fwd] contect |
| 14:49.44 | Druken | er context |
| 14:50.01 | Druken | you must READ what the warnings and errors tell you |
| 14:50.06 | newbien | Druken: thanks, just got that fixed 2 min ago in extensions.conf ;) |
| 14:50.09 | Druken | generally they are self explanitort |
| 14:50.16 | Druken | -t+y |
| 14:50.48 | newbien | Druken: yea, total newb at asterisk but learning slowly ;/ |
| 14:51.10 | Druken | voip-info.org is your best tool, become very friendly with it :) |
| 14:51.23 | tzafrir | newbien, do you need skinny? |
| 14:51.28 | newbien | Druken: k, thanks for the info and the tip |
| 14:51.45 | tzafrir | (this is mainly for cisco phones that can't talk sip) |
| 14:52.00 | newbien | tzafrir: being a asterisk newb i have no idea if i need skinny.conf or not |
| 14:52.11 | tzafrir | hmm, ok, already answered |
| 14:53.01 | newbien | tzafrir: working with make samples in /etc/asterisk and have not deleted any files so far |
| 14:53.29 | K9DI_BSD_WrkStn | hello |
| 14:53.48 | mgth | newbien: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:54.39 | newbien | what does this mean: WARNING[163850]: Read error on sound device: Resource temporarily unavailable ? |
| 14:55.10 | newbien | mgth: get kphone and fwd setup for asterisk on a stand alone linux box, no nat |
| 14:55.29 | mgth | you don't need skinny |
| 14:55.32 | newbien | is alsa the default sound device? or is it OSS? |
| 14:56.35 | newbien | mgth: yea, only installed asterisk last night, didnt know you could delete unneeded files in /etc/asterisk cause i still dont know which files i need ;) |
| 14:56.43 | K9DI_BSD_WrkStn | what is the latest iteration of asterisk? |
| 14:56.50 | mgth | read the topic |
| 14:57.31 | newbien | do i have a borked asterisk install if sound is OSS? |
| 14:57.46 | K9DI_BSD_WrkStn | tnx mgth |
| 14:57.59 | mgth | you don't need console sound |
| 14:59.05 | newbien | mgth: dont need console sound with kphone? |
| 14:59.18 | mgth | are you running kphone on the asterisk box? |
| 14:59.39 | newbien | mgth: trying to, not successful yet |
| 15:00.09 | newbien | no wait, on a linux box with asterisk installed, not an asterisk box |
| 15:00.14 | mgth | you will need to look in modules.conf and unload the oss or alsa drivers for asterisk that way kphone can use it |
| 15:01.04 | newbien | mgth: do you just start asterisk with asterisk or with asterisk -vvvc to run kphone and fwd? |
| 15:01.35 | mgth | you can start asterisk either way you want to, one gives you access to the console and verbose debug information, the other just starts asterisk |
| 15:01.43 | mgth | newbien: go do some reading at voip-info.org |
| 15:02.27 | newbien | mgth: k, thanks for the info |
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| 15:17.47 | K9DI_BSD_WrkStn | mgth, are there many asterisk users that are running it under one of the bsd's? |
| 15:18.00 | K9DI_BSD_WrkStn | I'm just curious. |
| 15:19.48 | mozrat | Hey guys - My asterisk server has all of a sudden stopped talking to me :( When i try and Playback() or Background() a gsm file, or even go to voicemail it doesn't say anything back. Asterisk version 1.0.7 on Debian Sarge |
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| 15:25.36 | newbien | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:34.27 | shaonss | anybody from Australia? |
| 15:35.29 | shaonss | can asterisk hot STUN |
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| 15:40.42 | jeffik | anybody familiar wiht *@home? |
| 15:44.59 | kFuQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.00 | kFuQ | http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/nid/676/ |
| 15:45.02 | kFuQ | omfg |
| 15:47.45 | masonc | that's 50 times what my whole country has |
| 15:48.45 | kFuQ | insane.. that's what it is.. |
| 15:48.49 | kFuQ | <--- jealous |
| 15:48.53 | jeffik | anybody familiar wiht *@home? |
| 15:49.20 | masonc | ask the question |
| 15:51.02 | jeffik | ok, signed up with a new provider who has never configed on 8@home. he gave me a set up exten => _416202XXXX,1,Dial(IAX2/jeff:xxxxxx/38.112.88.102/${EXTEN}) the first xxxx is what he actualy gave me, the second set is my secret |
| 15:51.34 | jeffik | i have done a little work directly in .conf files but not enough to know where to put the string |
| 15:51.53 | jeffik | I have tried a lot of config combos but none work |
| 15:51.57 | kFuQ | has to be an entry in extensions.conf and iax.conf |
| 15:52.17 | kFuQ | exten => _416202XXXX,1,Dial(IAX2/jeff:xxxxxx/38.112.88.102/${EXTEN}) <-- extensions.conf |
| 15:53.00 | jeffik | and where in extions.conf to i put it? |
| 15:53.35 | jeffik | and do i put it in both exactly as he gave it to me? |
| 15:53.36 | kFuQ | probably in an incoming context.. |
| 15:53.42 | jeffik | ok |
| 15:53.59 | jeffik | kFuQ: thaks, i a little lost |
| 15:54.12 | kFuQ | took me a couple months to figure mine out lol |
| 15:54.21 | kFuQ | but i did all mine by hand.. |
| 15:54.34 | jeffik | kFuQ: You running * or @home? |
| 15:54.45 | kFuQ | * |
| 15:55.30 | masonc | anyone got the polycom distribution files? |
| 15:55.34 | jeffik | kFuQ: I have been using @hoem for 3 months and I really like it, i want to learn * when i have the time. |
| 15:56.14 | jeffik | kFuQ: so i put the string in extensions and iax.conf? |
| 15:56.29 | kFuQ | no.. there should be a different line in iax.conf |
| 15:57.18 | jeffik | kFuQ: different? how so? |
| 15:57.34 | kFuQ | something similar to this.. |
| 15:57.36 | kFuQ | [provider] |
| 15:57.36 | kFuQ | type=peer |
| 15:57.36 | kFuQ | host=host.of.ur.provider |
| 15:57.36 | kFuQ | secret=passwd |
| 15:58.50 | jeffik | ok thanks, I'm using sixtel so far it's ok, today no calls to Moscow or Kiev so I would like to make the new provider work |
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| 16:03.18 | file | eeeeeeeeeeeep |
| 16:03.47 | iq|laptop | morning |
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| 16:04.37 | file | oejjjjjjjj |
| 16:04.49 | oej | file: FIIIIIle |
| 16:04.58 | file | oej: how are you? |
| 16:05.10 | oej | file: Fine. And you: |
| 16:05.15 | file | oej: great |
| 16:05.17 | oej | ? |
| 16:05.56 | file | my ISP is attempting to disconnect me from the net however |
| 16:06.35 | oej | file: Why? |
| 16:06.56 | file | dunno, they do it a lot |
| 16:08.54 | ManxPower | ~docs |
| 16:08.55 | jbot | Documentation can be found at http://digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or #asterisk-doc, or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk, or http://www.asteriskdocs.org |
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| 16:27.25 | icexx | y0 pplz |
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| 16:27.49 | icexx | have a question, how does asterisk look for peers/users when you get an incoming SIP call from somewhere? |
| 16:28.26 | tzanger | asterisk terminates calls from users |
| 16:28.41 | icexx | ;) |
| 16:28.46 | tzanger | asterisk directs calls to peers |
| 16:28.51 | icexx | ok, i register with my provider |
| 16:29.03 | icexx | i get an incoming sip call to my DID with provider |
| 16:29.25 | tzanger | you are a user to them |
| 16:29.29 | icexx | yup |
| 16:29.44 | tzanger | er sorry you are a peer to them |
| 16:29.52 | tzanger | they are Dial()ing you |
| 16:29.55 | icexx | so in sip.conf i setup a type=user section for them |
| 16:29.57 | tzanger | they are a user to you |
| 16:30.17 | icexx | how does asterisk recognize this section? |
| 16:30.23 | tzanger | so yes, to accept the call you have a [something] entry for them with type=peer |
| 16:30.33 | icexx | peer?? |
| 16:30.41 | tzanger | and context=blah where in extensions.conf [blah] is where the call will end up |
| 16:30.50 | tzanger | wtf |
| 16:30.54 | tzanger | I am still digesting breakfast |
| 16:31.00 | tzanger | I apologize, brain is not fully engaged yet |
| 16:31.14 | file | it really depends how they send the call to you |
| 16:31.21 | file | if they do authentication, then it's a user |
| 16:31.22 | tzanger | [provider] type=user, iwth context=provider-incoming |
| 16:31.31 | file | if you have to match via IP address, then it's a peer |
| 16:31.42 | icexx | here is what i am doing, sec |
| 16:31.57 | tzanger | file: ?? I can do either with a user |
| 16:32.06 | tzanger | incoming calls get searched against a type=user |
| 16:32.10 | tzanger | outgoing calls look for a type=friend |
| 16:32.19 | file | tzanger: incoming calls also get searched against a peer |
| 16:32.24 | tzanger | unless I'm serioulsy on crack |
| 16:32.30 | tzanger | file: they do? |
| 16:32.32 | file | yes |
| 16:32.43 | tzanger | I've always had to have type=user to have an incomign call accepted (or =friend, but that's evil) |
| 16:32.51 | file | [blah] |
| 16:32.52 | file | type=peer |
| 16:32.52 | tzanger | because context=blah is not valid for a peer |
| 16:32.54 | file | host=myotherbox.com |
| 16:32.56 | file | context=blah |
| 16:32.58 | file | insecure=very |
| 16:33.16 | tzanger | mind you this is sip too, I'm pretty sure the logic is the same for iax2 and sip but that is an assumption |
| 16:33.18 | file | will match based on the IP address that myotherbox.com resolves to, so any INVITE coming from that IP will be thrown into the blah context |
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| 16:33.22 | icexxik | oops |
| 16:33.25 | icexxik | got disc |
| 16:33.29 | file | tzanger: bad assumption |
| 16:33.34 | tzanger | file: :-) |
| 16:33.38 | icexxik | [iconn] |
| 16:33.38 | icexxik | type=user |
| 16:33.38 | icexxik | context=iconnect |
| 16:33.38 | icexxik | host=sipauth.deltathree.com |
| 16:33.38 | icexxik | username=whatever |
| 16:33.39 | icexxik | dtmf=inband |
| 16:33.41 | icexxik | disallow=all |
| 16:33.41 | tzanger | I just made an ass of you and me |
| 16:33.43 | icexxik | allow=gsm |
| 16:33.45 | icexxik | allow=alaw |
| 16:33.47 | icexxik | allow=ulaw |
| 16:33.49 | icexxik | allow=g726 |
| 16:33.58 | tzanger | STOP PASITNG |
| 16:34.01 | tzanger | er PASTING |
| 16:34.04 | tzanger | dammit |
| 16:34.13 | icexxik | and you know what * says when i get incoming call ;) says peer or user not found |
| 16:34.17 | icexxik | ;) |
| 16:34.32 | file | :) |
| 16:34.37 | icexxik | so, that's my question, how does it look for the user ? :) |
| 16:34.51 | file | it challenges the other side for user credentials |
| 16:34.54 | file | a username and password. |
| 16:35.10 | file | which very rarely do providers allow, because their system isn't setup/isn't capable of doing it |
| 16:35.21 | file | so with a peer entry and insecure=very, you can match based on the IP address that the calls are coming from |
| 16:35.27 | file | that's what you have to do for broadvoice and other providers |
| 16:36.02 | icexxik | if i set it to peer, it finds that record, and tries to forward the inbound call there for some reason |
| 16:36.25 | file | set it to a type peer |
| 16:36.28 | file | and add insecure=very |
| 16:36.31 | file | do a sip reload, and see if it works |
| 16:36.32 | icexxik | ok, lemme try |
| 16:40.23 | icexxik | it worked ;) |
| 16:40.29 | icexxik | xplain why! :) |
| 16:41.18 | file | I did already |
| 16:41.22 | file | twice, I think |
| 16:41.29 | icexxik | ;) |
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| 17:05.46 | K9DI_BSD_WrkStn | Hi file |
| 17:05.56 | file | hello |
| 17:07.52 | K9DI_BSD_WrkStn | file, check private screen please. tnx |
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| 17:27.39 | Druken | sivana: just the man i was lookin for |
| 17:29.38 | sivana | lol |
| 17:29.46 | sivana | how are you? |
| 17:29.54 | Druken | good, yourself? |
| 17:30.02 | sivana | not bad, can't complain |
| 17:30.08 | Druken | excelent |
| 17:30.13 | sivana | doesn't do any good anyways, nobody listens :) |
| 17:30.21 | Druken | too true |
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| 17:33.26 | file | you're potatoes |
| 17:33.28 | file | every one of you |
| 17:33.38 | Qwell | You're a cucumber |
| 17:34.07 | file | I don't like cucumbers :( |
| 17:34.14 | Qwell | Thats why you are one. |
| 17:34.22 | file | :( |
| 17:34.28 | file | you make me sad |
| 17:34.44 | MikeJ[Laptop] | vegtables? |
| 17:35.37 | Druken | moo... |
| 17:36.05 | file | meep... |
| 17:36.18 | Qwell | quack... |
| 17:36.19 | Qwell | ? |
| 17:36.49 | Qwell | eww |
| 17:36.55 | Qwell | You don't know where I've been... |
| 17:36.58 | ricko73 | I didn't know this was the salad channel |
| 17:37.13 | Qwell | ricko73: You often make cucumber and potato salads? |
| 17:37.33 | ricko73 | I don't but some people do. |
| 17:38.38 | ricko73 | Is anyone on here who uses Asterisk with analog phone lines? |
| 17:39.58 | Druken | of course |
| 17:40.25 | Qwell | meh, Vonage sucks |
| 17:40.51 | drumkilla | hey guys, how do I be the next Vonage? |
| 17:40.53 | Druken | your only figuring this out now? |
| 17:41.15 | Druken | drumkilla: are you an idiot with millions of dollars? |
| 17:41.21 | Qwell | drumkilla: Have shitty customer service, and do stupid things |
| 17:41.23 | drumkilla | YES |
| 17:41.47 | drumkilla | people ask that question all the time ... it's ridiculous :) |
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| 17:42.01 | iq[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.55 | shaonss | what value asterisk return when other party hangup? |
| 17:46.33 | Vco | "Disconnected: Other people think you are boring" |
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| 17:46.53 | drumkilla | shaonss: the dial application would return 0 in that case |
| 17:46.57 | shaonss | how can i "goto" from some other options if the user hangup? |
| 17:47.28 | shaonss | h,1,goto does not work |
| 17:51.23 | shaonss | i want, when user hangup(ofcourse after successful conversation) asterisk will ask me to choose another option |
| 17:52.11 | Druken | i dunno if that's possible |
| 17:52.26 | wildcard0 | you can put a goto in your h extension in that context |
| 17:52.28 | Druken | unless you put in a g in your dialstring |
| 17:54.40 | shaonss | i tried exten=>h,1,Goto(s,1) but still hangup after callee hangsup |
| 17:55.14 | Qwell | Without the spaces? |
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| 18:02.57 | Tond | Hi, i just updated my version of asterisk, and now I am having problems with cdr_addon_mysql.so |
| 18:03.11 | Tond | when i try to load it in my modules.conf * won't start |
| 18:04.01 | Tond | i ahve not made any config changes, and only uipdated * to the latest CVS head, ahs there been a change in the way i need to config the mysql_cdr? |
| 18:04.13 | drumkilla | upgraded from what |
| 18:04.40 | drumkilla | file: did you want an enormous orange road sign, too? |
| 18:04.44 | file | drumkilla: nah |
| 18:05.11 | Tond | I think what I had ws from Oct 04 |
| 18:05.27 | Tond | so there are defebetky new config files i see in my /etc/asterisk folder |
| 18:05.47 | drumkilla | did you upgrade cdr_addon_mysql as well? |
| 18:05.47 | Tond | i also updated the /usr/src/asterisk-addons |
| 18:06.05 | file | drumkilla: did you know you are very snuggly? |
| 18:06.14 | drumkilla | file: wrong channel! |
| 18:06.21 | Tond | would it not come if i update asterisk-addons? |
| 18:06.28 | file | nah, right channel |
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| 18:09.23 | Tond | Oh I think I found where i was wrong. For some reason the asterisk-addon was not downloaded properly.. Thanks for the help hough.. :) |
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| 18:14.12 | Tond | this is wiered, now it doesn't write unique ID in the table anymore (cdr_mysql) |
| 18:14.24 | Tond | is this normal? I mean is it part of the new changes? |
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| 18:18.16 | rvhi | anyone knows how to initiate a new call and play a message to a user? |
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| 18:18.43 | jonathh1 | hello, i am having a problem with my grandstream. it seems making calls is ok. But when i recieve them, it does something such that my modem dies. any clues? |
| 18:20.03 | Tond | rvhi> I think what you are looking for is similar to the wake up call feature, look it up because i know * can do that |
| 18:21.07 | rvhi | thx, i will check it out |
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| 18:21.42 | key2 | hi |
| 18:21.57 | key2 | on what linux should I install asterisk |
| 18:22.05 | key2 | is there one more appropriated ? |
| 18:22.36 | MikeJ[Laptop] | key2, the best distro is the one you know the best |
| 18:23.06 | key2 | well |
| 18:23.12 | key2 | am more familiar with netbsd |
| 18:23.23 | key2 | but not sure I could run asterisk on it |
| 18:24.01 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can, but you will run into more issues, and there is a limited support for digium cards on netbsd |
| 18:24.11 | key2 | ok |
| 18:24.20 | key2 | so what linux should i get |
| 18:24.33 | MikeJ[Laptop] | the one you are most farmilliar with |
| 18:24.42 | Qwell | distrowatch.com |
| 18:24.44 | Qwell | pick one... |
| 18:25.41 | key2 | debian |
| 18:25.41 | key2 | .. |
| 18:25.55 | Qwell | debian works fine |
| 18:25.57 | Qwell | as do many others |
| 18:26.02 | MikeJ[Laptop] | well not that one |
| 18:26.05 | MikeJ[Laptop] | :) |
| 18:26.06 | MikeJ[Laptop] | hehe |
| 18:26.15 | Vco | slack has worked well for me... |
| 18:26.53 | key2 | MikeJ[Laptop]: not debian? |
| 18:27.18 | MikeJ[Laptop] | joke |
| 18:28.29 | jonathh1 | hello, i am having a problem with my grandstream. it seems making calls is ok. But when i recieve them, it does something such that my modem dies. any clues? |
| 18:28.37 | jonathh1 | it cleans kills the router |
| 18:28.47 | jonathh1 | adsl ready light goes off the lot. |
| 18:29.05 | drumkilla | that's actually pretty funny |
| 18:29.09 | drumkilla | impressive, even |
| 18:32.38 | jonathh1 | i aint kidding either |
| 18:32.49 | jonathh1 | my asterisk install is at work |
| 18:32.58 | jonathh1 | i can dial any extension.. but if i dial my own |
| 18:33.07 | jonathh1 | (to get voicemail) |
| 18:33.15 | jonathh1 | the modem dies.. i lose all connections |
| 18:33.26 | *** join/#asterisk zeedo (~zeedo@www.bsrf.org.uk) |
| 18:34.44 | Tond | what is the purpuse of sip_notify.conf? |
| 18:34.51 | Tond | I looked it up but didn't find much info on it |
| 18:35.59 | jonathh1 | i dont know what to blame it on.. maybe asterisk is bombarding the router with connections.. and as none are forwarded (As of yet) it just dies |
| 18:36.08 | *** join/#asterisk icexx (~jj@213.170.75.191) |
| 18:36.17 | icexx | any1 here? |
| 18:36.17 | icexx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.24 | jonathh1 | what ports would a grandstream need(it is the only one behind the nat) |
| 18:36.37 | Qwell | 5060, 10000-20000 probably |
| 18:37.02 | jonathh1 | the 5060 is for registration? |
| 18:37.08 | jonathh1 | and the rest rtp for voice? |
| 18:37.14 | Qwell | pretty much |
| 18:37.39 | jonathh1 | well it seems to register ok.. |
| 18:38.07 | jonathh1 | they all udp? |
| 18:39.41 | Tond | sip_notify.conf is not documented anywhere! Anyone has any idea what it is for? |
| 18:40.00 | drumkilla | it is to define SIP NOTIFY messages to send to phones |
| 18:40.03 | drumkilla | useful for remote reboots |
| 18:40.13 | drumkilla | you don't need to touch it |
| 18:40.26 | Tond | Ok, thanks... |
| 18:40.30 | drumkilla | used with the sip notify CLI command |
| 18:40.41 | Tond | So basically i will be able to reboot my phone using * right? |
| 18:40.50 | drumkilla | if you type 'sip notify' at the CLI, it will tell you how to use it |
| 18:40.55 | drumkilla | some SIP phones, yes |
| 18:40.56 | Tond | thnaks |
| 18:41.03 | drumkilla | polycoms for sure |
| 18:41.15 | *** join/#asterisk Gunnar (~gunnar@34.80-203-209.nextgentel.com) |
| 18:41.17 | drumkilla | there are some other examples in there, not sure if they work or not |
| 18:41.25 | *** join/#asterisk NewSole (dave@i216-58-44-245.avalonworks.net) |
| 18:42.21 | Tond | thanks |
| 18:42.35 | *** join/#asterisk ardor (~ardorgof@ip24-253-102-105.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 18:42.48 | icexx | how do we solve this: |
| 18:42.49 | icexx | Attempting native bridge of SIP/phil-d61f and SIP/iconn-a554 |
| 18:42.49 | icexx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.15 | Blackvel | codecs? |
| 18:43.19 | icexx | yeah |
| 18:43.21 | Tond | probably |
| 18:43.22 | icexx | think so ;) |
| 18:43.23 | Blackvel | disallow=all |
| 18:43.25 | Blackvel | allow=... |
| 18:43.35 | ardor | whatever both sip phones support |
| 18:43.48 | ardor | you could do allow=all |
| 18:43.53 | ardor | and let the phones figure it out |
| 18:43.57 | icexx | o.. lemme try allow=all |
| 18:44.06 | icexx | it's sjphone via asterisk to iconnecthere |
| 18:44.11 | ardor | not sure its a codec problem though. |
| 18:45.05 | Tond | drunkilla> I guess the cisco part doens't funtion i send a notify to my 7960 and ain't getting anyhting back.. at least not the CLI and the debug is set to 90 :D |
| 18:45.25 | drumkilla | CLI won't say anything |
| 18:45.28 | drumkilla | does the 7960 reboot? |
| 18:45.31 | Tond | no |
| 18:45.47 | Tond | i am trying snom now |
| 18:46.07 | drumkilla | yeah ... doesn't work on mine, either |
| 18:46.14 | Tond | the snom worked though |
| 18:46.15 | Tond | :D |
| 18:46.27 | ardor | icexx: how did it go? |
| 18:46.31 | *** join/#asterisk aamin (~azher@203.175.65.172) |
| 18:46.41 | *** join/#asterisk JerJer[mobile] (~nonyobizn@45.210.5.249) |
| 18:47.08 | aamin | hi ......... need some help on the Dial M(x) Macro option |
| 18:47.16 | aamin | has anyone used this option |
| 18:47.17 | aamin | ? |
| 18:47.21 | aamin | plz help |
| 18:47.34 | drumkilla | Tond: I'm going to see if I can fix the Cisco one ... |
| 18:47.45 | aamin | it always says May 1 23:41:02 WARNING[5446]: app_macro.c:90 macro_exec: No such context 'macro-conference^99999' for macro 'conference^99999' |
| 18:48.00 | ardor | aamin not me, whats it suppost to do |
| 18:48.21 | marlowe | It's pretty english to me... |
| 18:48.27 | marlowe | Says it's missing a context |
| 18:48.41 | icexx | ardor: not good ;) |
| 18:48.49 | drumkilla | aamin: are you using 1.0 ? |
| 18:48.51 | icexx | May 1 11:48:19 WARNING[6314]: chan_sip.c:2024 sip_write: Asked to transmit frame type 4, while native formats is 1 (read/write = 4/4) |
| 18:48.59 | aamin | i am using 1.0.7 |
| 18:49.06 | aamin | and here is the conext |
| 18:49.07 | aamin | [macro-conference] |
| 18:49.07 | aamin | exten => s,1,Wait(0.2) |
| 18:49.07 | aamin | exten => s,2,goto(demo,${ARGV1},1) |
| 18:49.16 | drumkilla | aamin: you can't send arguments in the Dial M() option in 1.0 |
| 18:49.22 | aamin | any suggestions ?? |
| 18:49.28 | aamin | hmmm |
| 18:49.30 | drumkilla | you can set variables before the Dial |
| 18:49.35 | aamin | :( |
| 18:49.36 | drumkilla | SetVar(MYVAR=alkdflakdsfj) |
| 18:49.37 | ardor | icexx: no idea |
| 18:49.39 | drumkilla | and use MYVAR in the macro |
| 18:50.01 | aamin | but will these vars be accessible in the macro ??? |
| 18:50.07 | aamin | ok let me try .......... |
| 18:50.08 | icexx | May 1 11:49:46 NOTICE[20624]: channel.c:1833 set_format: Unable to find a path |
| 18:50.08 | icexx | from g723 to slin |
| 18:50.10 | drumkilla | they should be, yes |
| 18:50.11 | icexx | what's this? |
| 18:50.54 | Damin | drumkilla: What up dude? |
| 18:50.59 | drumkilla | hey Damin ! |
| 18:51.00 | *** join/#asterisk Jeet (~manjitr@207.168.236.99) |
| 18:51.06 | drumkilla | in the middle of final exams :( |
| 18:51.15 | Damin | icexx: Seems like the PBX can't find a path from g723 to slin. |
| 18:51.33 | Jeet | hi asteriskers.. |
| 18:51.38 | drumkilla | Damin: trying to figure out why 'sip notify' won't work on my 7960 |
| 18:52.04 | aamin | i checked the variable is not accessible in the macro |
| 18:52.08 | drumkilla | it looks good compared to all of the examples I can find |
| 18:52.12 | *** join/#asterisk ManxPower (~eric@dsl-209-16-67-160.datasync.com) |
| 18:52.20 | key2 | someone knows if asterisk can work with the chipset FA8357EP ? |
| 18:52.24 | Damin | drumkilla: That's nice.. I'm watching Pink Floyd: Pulse on DVD with my Three year old and my 9 month old. ;) |
| 18:52.26 | drumkilla | aamin: ah ... yeah, that makes sense, actually ... |
| 18:52.35 | drumkilla | Damin: ha, nice |
| 18:52.44 | aamin | how can u explain ? |
| 18:53.26 | Damin | It is almost time for them to take an afternoon nap.. |
| 18:53.29 | Jeet | make webvmail gives "No HTTP directory". any help appreciated. |
| 18:54.15 | aamin | i think other than the globalvar there won't be an option ?? |
| 18:54.28 | Damin | drumkilla: Movement, but no resolution or patches yet on the inband DTMF issue, but if you want to check the bug tracker (http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0003847) you can see what we've come up with.. |
| 18:56.19 | Jeet | webvmail help please anyone. |
| 18:56.20 | drumkilla | yeah, I saw that the issue had been finally identified |
| 18:56.47 | Damin | drumkilla: Basically, three case scenarios and what we think the behavior should be in Asterisk. Persnally, I think we are letting users get away with stupid stuff, but if that is part of the philosphy (I.E. complete the call at all costs) then I think we're moving in the right direction.. |
| 18:56.52 | drumkilla | I probably won't have time to really work on it until I get to Huntsville next week |
| 18:56.56 | aamin | drumkilla: any guess to the variable issue |
| 18:57.08 | Damin | drumkilla: When you get a chance (no hurry) comment on it. |
| 18:57.23 | drumkilla | Damin: surely, I will ... I'm sorry it is taking so long to get all of this resolved |
| 18:57.30 | Damin | That goes for all your other lazy bastards in this channel as well.. Get to work! There are 127 bugs on the bugtracker for cripes sake! |
| 18:57.49 | drumkilla | we're all so busy right now ... I have finals, then have to move to Huntsville |
| 18:57.58 | drumkilla | Mark is ALWAYS insanely busy, but even moreso at the moment |
| 18:58.03 | drumkilla | and kevin is moving across the country |
| 18:58.11 | drumkilla | so the bug tracker isn't getting much lovin' :) |
| 18:58.28 | Damin | drumkilla: Don't apologize. It's not your job to fix bugs, and CORRECT solutions take time.. especially ones that don't break tons of other crap.. |
| 18:58.57 | drumkilla | yeah, this one is bigger than we thought |
| 18:58.59 | Damin | drumkilla: Everyone at Digium is slammed right now.. ;) |
| 18:59.02 | ManxPower | ~docs |
| 18:59.03 | jbot | Documentation can be found at http://digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or #asterisk-doc, or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk, or http://www.asteriskdocs.org |
| 18:59.33 | drumkilla | Damin: yes, they are ... I'm not even there yet, and they have already started calling me, building up my to-do list |
| 18:59.43 | Damin | drumkilla: Hehehe... |
| 18:59.51 | Damin | drumkilla: Welcome to the fray my brotha.. |
| 19:00.18 | drumkilla | but, I'm glad I'll have stuff to do :) |
| 19:00.26 | drumkilla | it's better than ... being bored (yeah, right) |
| 19:00.43 | drumkilla | or I could be made to ... answer the phone!!! AH! |
| 19:00.59 | Damin | You know.. On the Learning to Fly tour, Pink Floyd had this totally hot, black haired, incredibly sexy French backup singer.. and I see that she is not with them on this tour.. |
| 19:02.03 | opus_ | does anybody have a 'follow me' implemented in asterisk so far? |
| 19:21.08 | opus_ | how do I get asterisk to prompt for a number? |
| 19:21.20 | opus_ | does dbget need a database setup with it? |
| 19:21.52 | Tond | drunkilla> I think the reason the Cisco phone won't restart is, that it first tries to reach the TFTP server and if it gets no respond then it won't restart. It may be a safety feature against the phone becoming unsuable after retsrat if the TFTP is down?! What you think? |
| 19:22.37 | *** join/#asterisk PCadach (~paul@www.east.telecom.kz) |
| 19:23.36 | Tond | but what is puzzeling me still is that why in the new version of cdr_mysql, the "uniqueID" field is being left blank and not used?! |
| 19:24.46 | drumkilla | you're really probably better off migrating to cdr_odbc |
| 19:25.12 | Tond | Really? Why is that? |
| 19:25.52 | shaonss | Spawn extension (Dialout, 1000, 1) exited non-zero on 'Zap/1-1' |
| 19:25.52 | shaonss | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.52 | shaonss | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.42 | drumkilla | Tond: it's what we support in the main tree of asterisk |
| 19:26.52 | drumkilla | and gets more attention than cdr_addon_mysql |
| 19:28.08 | rvhi | try to outgoing call file to make a call, is there a way to set any variables? |
| 19:28.24 | ManxPower | I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would move to huntsville. |
| 19:28.26 | Tond | I shall do the switch then.. :D |
| 19:28.37 | rvhi | similar to setvar() before calling out |
| 19:28.41 | drumkilla | ManxPower: to work for Digium? :) |
| 19:29.10 | drumkilla | rvhi: look at sample.call ... you can set vars in call files |
| 19:29.32 | *** join/#asterisk firestrm (firestrm@S010600047577bccd.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 19:29.44 | *** join/#asterisk pr0f1t (~pr0f1t@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp3502630.sympatico.ca) |
| 19:30.37 | ManxPower | drumkilla: But HUNTSVILLE? |
| 19:30.38 | drumkilla | i love this sip notify command :) |
| 19:31.02 | firestrm | anyone know which file in the zaptel source contains the ring patterns for fxs? the wiki tells of it, but does not specify how or where.. |
| 19:31.03 | drumkilla | I know ... I told Mark that we should move Digium |
| 19:31.10 | ManxPower | YEAH! |
| 19:31.12 | Qwell | drumkilla: come to CA :p |
| 19:31.12 | drumkilla | though there are a lot of people there now ... |
| 19:31.16 | drumkilla | they probably wouldn't go for it |
| 19:31.17 | drumkilla | :( |
| 19:31.38 | ManxPower | I wish Digium the best of luck to get good people to move to Huntsville. |
| 19:31.39 | Qwell | firestrm: is that in indications.conf? |
| 19:31.49 | ManxPower | They have obviously had success so far. |
| 19:31.59 | firestrm | quell, no that has no effect on zap |
| 19:32.06 | drumkilla | it's not such a bad place ... |
| 19:32.08 | drumkilla | I guess |
| 19:32.17 | drumkilla | I miss the coast, though :( |
| 19:32.25 | Qwell | which coast? |
| 19:32.31 | firestrm | Qwell, at least http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+zap+channels says it doesnt |
| 19:32.36 | drumkilla | home was originally Charleston, SC |
| 19:32.45 | Qwell | oh, right |
| 19:33.02 | drumkilla | right now, in middle-of-nowhere SC |
| 19:33.23 | firestrm | Qwell, the canned ring patterns, well.. suck.. i have got to change them |
| 19:34.51 | Qwell | Note that the tone indications played to handsets connected to the Zap channel are NOT generated WITHIN Asterisk, but from the configurations of the Zaptel driver. You can configure the country in the zaptel driver's configuration file, zaptel.conf. To change the frequencies, you have to edit he source code in zonedata.c. |
| 19:35.43 | firestrm | Qwell, ive scratched through zonedata.c but didnt see anything likely.. I'll have another look though |
| 19:36.45 | ManxPower | I can't believe that there is no "through" audio file with Asterisk |
| 19:36.57 | ManxPower | nor a "to" audio file |
| 19:37.03 | *** join/#asterisk key2 (~key2@gob75-2-81-56-64-17.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:37.13 | *** join/#asterisk adjacent (~scott@64.203.220.105) |
| 19:37.14 | key2 | hey |
| 19:37.44 | key2 | what's the best for placing a call from IP using the FXO card of the PC ? SIP or H323 or something else ? |
| 19:37.48 | ManxPower | "Our business hours are Monday [missing] Saturday, 9am [missing] 5pm." |
| 19:38.15 | ManxPower | key2: H323 is never "best" for anything. |
| 19:38.31 | *** join/#asterisk Sedorox (brandon@Neptune.client.wlmsprt.pa.sed6.net) |
| 19:39.27 | key2 | ManxPower: so what else ? |
| 19:39.32 | Vco | ; |
| 19:39.44 | firestrm | Qwell, oops, ya its there.. i guess i was looking at the header file :) |
| 19:39.47 | key2 | basically, how can I place a call from a softphone using the telephone line |
| 19:40.01 | ManxPower | key2: Asterisk doesn't CARE. |
| 19:40.08 | Druken | if h323 was something physical, i wouldn't even use it as a doorstop |
| 19:40.21 | uzd | illuvator |
| 19:40.24 | drumkilla | go iax! |
| 19:40.24 | uzd | ? |
| 19:40.26 | ManxPower | key2: Use a SIP phone |
| 19:40.47 | ManxPower | Just remember my motto: All softphones SUCK! |
| 19:41.03 | Qwell | ManxPower: there is a through.gsm |
| 19:41.09 | Druken | ManxPower: are you going to contribute the to or through? |
| 19:41.32 | Qwell | and to can be easily stripped from another file |
| 19:41.45 | drumkilla | indeed |
| 19:41.53 | Druken | google has lots of allison gsm's too :) |
| 19:41.57 | drumkilla | someone set up this tftp crap for my polycom phone, hehe ... |
| 19:42.20 | ManxPower | Qwell: I don't see it. |
| 19:42.27 | Qwell | ManxPower: cvs, asterisk-sounds |
| 19:42.29 | ManxPower | I wanted ALLISON saying it. |
| 19:42.31 | drumkilla | asterisk-sounds ? |
| 19:42.37 | uzd | anyone have new voicemail notification on their phones? like asterisk@home does.. to make your voicemail light blink on your handsets |
| 19:42.40 | ManxPower | Why is it not in 1.0.x asterisk-sounds?? |
| 19:42.42 | firestrm | where can i get more info on what the rintone patterns mean.. eg what the heck does 440+480/2000,0/4000 mean? |
| 19:42.57 | key2 | ManxPower: so what's the best for calling from a pocketpc that has wifi ??? |
| 19:42.58 | uzd | i have an analog phone connected to a PAP2-NA that talks SIP |
| 19:43.08 | drumkilla | there is no branch for asterisk-sounds |
| 19:43.11 | ManxPower | key2: I'm sorry, I cannot help you with that. |
| 19:43.19 | Qwell | key2: friend of mine used sjphone, I believe |
| 19:43.45 | ManxPower | [root@fs-1 root]# grep though /home/software/asterisk/asterisk-sounds/sounds-extra.txt |
| 19:43.45 | ManxPower | [root@fs-1 root]# |
| 19:43.49 | key2 | Qwell: and how does he route from sjphone to the telephone line ??? |
| 19:43.52 | Qwell | thRough |
| 19:43.54 | Qwell | :p |
| 19:44.05 | Qwell | key2: he doesn't |
| 19:44.14 | Qwell | but, go through an asterisk box, to a provider |
| 19:44.27 | key2 | Qwell: so he can onyl call other IP |
| 19:44.30 | ManxPower | All that gives me is %call-quality-menu.gsm% and %accessible-through-system.gsm% |
| 19:44.52 | Qwell | ManxPower: cvs of asterisk-sounds is fairly stable. heh |
| 19:45.04 | *** join/#asterisk vvo (~michal@byo122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:45.16 | ManxPower | Qwell: drumkilla just said there's no branches of asterisk-sounds |
| 19:45.34 | Qwell | err? |
| 19:46.15 | drumkilla | athxp asterisk-sounds # find .|grep -i through |
| 19:46.16 | drumkilla | ./sounds/through.gsm |
| 19:46.16 | drumkilla | ./sounds/accessible-through-system.gsm |
| 19:46.35 | drumkilla | ooooooooh |
| 19:46.40 | drumkilla | BURNED! |
| 19:46.47 | ManxPower | [root@fs-1 asterisk-sounds]# find .|grep -i through |
| 19:46.48 | ManxPower | ./sounds/accessible-through-system.gsm |
| 19:46.53 | Qwell | drumkilla: useless use of grep |
| 19:47.03 | Qwell | find . -iname through |
| 19:47.03 | ManxPower | drumkilla: what is the date of ./sounds/through.gsm |
| 19:47.16 | drumkilla | Qwell: sorry, I'm not leet :p |
| 19:47.25 | Qwell | Jan 29, but thats probably the day I pulled it from cvs |
| 19:47.45 | drumkilla | Jan 29 is when it was added |
| 19:47.49 | drumkilla | I just pulled mine and that's the date |
| 19:47.53 | ManxPower | I wonder if it was removed. |
| 19:48.05 | drumkilla | mine was a fresh checkout |
| 19:49.24 | drumkilla | revision 1.1 |
| 19:49.24 | drumkilla | date: 2005/01/29 22:39:18; author: markster; state: Exp; |
| 19:49.24 | drumkilla | Add new sounds (bug #3453) |
| 19:49.34 | *** join/#asterisk Faithful (~Faithful@202.6.145.116) |
| 19:49.40 | ManxPower | I wonder if I got something bad. |
| 19:49.52 | drumkilla | maybe :/ |
| 19:49.52 | ManxPower | drumkilla: I can -r v1-0 asterisk-sounds |
| 19:50.00 | drumkilla | really? |
| 19:50.05 | ManxPower | drumkilla: I can cvs co -r v1-0 asterisk-sounds |
| 19:50.06 | drumkilla | that's probably what you got, then, huh |
| 19:50.17 | ManxPower | drumkilla: you want to sync them up? |
| 19:50.24 | drumkilla | I'm not even sure if I can |
| 19:50.40 | drumkilla | adding new files to a tag might make cvs vomit |
| 19:50.52 | drumkilla | I don't even know if it will let me |
| 19:50.54 | Qwell | retag it, heh |
| 19:50.59 | ManxPower | i'll kill my asterisk-sounds and checkout the cvs head version |
| 19:51.15 | ManxPower | unless you can fix it, of course. |
| 19:51.24 | drumkilla | ManxPower: I can add a note to the v1-0 makefile |
| 19:51.55 | ManxPower | drumkilla: can you remove the v1-0 asterisk-sounds? |
| 19:52.00 | ManxPower | then an error will be generated. |
| 19:52.07 | drumkilla | don't think so |
| 19:52.22 | ManxPower | that sucks |
| 19:55.18 | drumkilla | I wonder if the asterisk-sounds tarball came from v1-0 |
| 19:55.28 | drumkilla | I think I got mark to just tar up the HEAD version |
| 19:55.56 | ManxPower | that would be bad. |
| 19:56.10 | ManxPower | means the tarballs and getting it from CVS are different |
| 19:57.30 | drumkilla | not the end of the world ... |
| 19:57.54 | firestrm | Qwell, tried changeing the ring pattern in zonedata.c no effect :( |
| 19:57.59 | ManxPower | no, still annoying and as we can see, confuzzeling |
| 19:58.29 | drumkilla | yes, that is annoying |
| 19:58.30 | drumkilla | and I'm sorry |
| 19:58.36 | drumkilla | it's pretty useless to have that tag |
| 19:58.59 | file | yay drumkilla |
| 19:59.07 | drumkilla | I added a little note, though |
| 20:00.26 | firestrm | anyone know how to change the ring cadence when passing the "r" parameter to a zap device? eg zap/2r2 ? |
| 20:00.43 | ManxPower | Whoo! Whoo! I have it now! |
| 20:00.45 | MeTaBSD | can i monitor all bw my asterisk take on my server ? how ? |
| 20:02.26 | *** join/#asterisk angler (~angler@angler.digium.sponsor.pdpc) |
| 20:04.08 | NewSole | Qusetion who here has PRi's.... |
| 20:04.25 | blitzrage | drumkilla: w00t |
| 20:05.06 | drumkilla | blitzrage: ! |
| 20:05.25 | blitzrage | how goes? |
| 20:05.36 | drumkilla | should be studying for my final exams |
| 20:05.42 | drumkilla | instead, I'm ... not. |
| 20:05.55 | drumkilla | going to write a patch, I think |
| 20:06.08 | blitzrage | lol |
| 20:06.22 | blitzrage | I just got back from Toronto - need to have a shower, get food and write more docs |
| 20:08.12 | blitzrage | I'm off - lates all. |
| 20:08.36 | drumkilla | wheeeeee, cya blitzrage |
| 20:12.08 | firestrm | NewSole, i have pri's 250 area code |
| 20:13.25 | Druken | where's 250 ? |
| 20:14.12 | NewSole | was thinking... I have 5 blocks.... Toronto, Vancover, Ottawa, Soul Korea, Bejinn China |
| 20:14.45 | Druken | ottawa eh? |
| 20:15.20 | NewSole | was thinking of starting a dundi like group where the requirments are you must share 5 or more channels off your pri |
| 20:15.40 | *** join/#asterisk harryvv (~none@S010600055d210201.vs.shawcable.net) |
| 20:16.21 | NewSole | to start I would have 4 of each offered |
| 20:16.21 | NewSole | so total of 20 |
| 20:16.31 | ManxPower | All of my PRIs are in places nobody wants to call. 8-) |
| 20:16.42 | NewSole | hey they all add up |
| 20:17.05 | ManxPower | And we seldom call outside of Louisiana and Mississippi and we have unlimited free calls to those states. |
| 20:17.14 | NewSole | and if we get enough.... we all could put a big dent in Voip calling rates |
| 20:17.53 | firestrm | NewSole, right now.. all mine are tied up in a wimax project |
| 20:19.08 | firestrm | arrgh.. im going to have to bite the bullet and pay digium support to fix their problem (mostly a crappy documentation issue) |
| 20:19.16 | firestrm | that really burns me.. |
| 20:20.20 | blitzrage | NewSole: its already been done - its all fwdout (formerly bellster) |
| 20:20.27 | blitzrage | s/all/called |
| 20:20.27 | firestrm | you would think they would at least document their hardware.. |
| 20:20.35 | harryvv | firestrm other then allstream or telus who else sells T-1's |
| 20:21.01 | NewSole | firestrm... whats the problem |
| 20:21.04 | firestrm | harryvv, navigata.. kills SM(ellus) rates.. |
| 20:21.35 | firestrm | NewSole, im trying to set ring cadences on zap hardware, and the documentation on this is vauge at best |
| 20:21.36 | harryvv | What pipe do thay use |
| 20:22.10 | firestrm | harryvv, they have their own apparently, but also use bigpipe(shaw). |
| 20:22.24 | harryvv | i see |
| 20:22.46 | firestrm | harryvv, $800/month for full pri + $2.50 per did |
| 20:22.46 | harryvv | so thay have infrastructor then. |
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| 20:22.51 | harryvv | fire, thinktel said thay would charge 600 per month pri. |
| 20:22.59 | harryvv | thay are back east unfortunatly |
| 20:23.18 | firestrm | harryvv, ya out west, telus or navigate is the only options |
| 20:23.21 | Druken | that's because pri's are dirt cheap in edmonton :) |
| 20:23.39 | NewSole | firestrm... what card |
| 20:23.39 | harryvv | ahh i see |
| 20:23.43 | firestrm | telus wants $6.00 per did here.. |
| 20:23.49 | firestrm | NewSole, tdm400 |
| 20:23.51 | harryvv | really |
| 20:24.10 | Druken | 6 bux a did? that's insane |
| 20:24.13 | firestrm | harryvv, yes.. like can you say .. pass the crack pipe.. |
| 20:24.25 | mgth | I pay $8 per did with no per min charges |
| 20:24.40 | firestrm | but then again telus had allways been smoking somthing.. |
| 20:25.15 | harryvv | drugs are not my thing thanks. |
| 20:25.34 | harryvv | well, telus has had a monopoly. |
| 20:25.35 | harryvv | :) |
| 20:25.53 | firestrm | me neither.. but telus must be on somthing.. |
| 20:26.13 | harryvv | overhead cost |
| 20:26.49 | firestrm | well.. im going to have to give up on my tdm400 problem.. at least until monday, when digium is open.. |
| 20:27.10 | firestrm | back to other humdrum chores.. |
| 20:27.20 | harryvv | whats the problem with it |
| 20:27.29 | firestrm | cant set ring cadence |
| 20:27.36 | harryvv | ohh |
| 20:27.37 | firestrm | on fxs ports.. |
| 20:27.47 | harryvv | so what does it do constant ring? |
| 20:27.48 | firestrm | its really $#_#$#()*$ annoying.. |
| 20:28.29 | firestrm | harryvv, well i can make it ring with other cadences, ive figured that out but the canned ones are really hard to distinguish between each other.. |
| 20:28.40 | NewSole | firestrm... I did somthing like that a while ago... let me pull it up... and compair to what you have |
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| 20:28.48 | harryvv | im not thrilled about Cisco pending buyout of Sipura. |
| 20:29.13 | firestrm | harryvv, why not.. they did great things for netgear |
| 20:29.28 | firestrm | maybe they can get the sipura gear to work right.. |
| 20:29.52 | harryvv | I have a hunch thay make make the atas and phones locked devices to a service. |
| 20:30.02 | *** join/#asterisk E|nyPRI_ (~les@66.187.65.75) |
| 20:30.04 | E|nyPRI_ | greetings |
| 20:31.34 | NewSole | firestrm... |
| 20:31.39 | firestrm | yes |
| 20:32.06 | NewSole | can you show me your setup |
| 20:32.37 | firestrm | NewSole, ok just a sec.. ill pastebin my zonedata.c |
| 20:34.07 | firestrm | NewSole, http://pastebin.ca/10731 |
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| 20:35.19 | firestrm | NewSole, im not even sure what im looking at here. the r parameter only takes 0-4, but there are over 22 enteries in zonedata |
| 20:35.34 | firestrm | so i dont even know which is who.. |
| 20:35.41 | guugmember | anyone from new zeland here_ |
| 20:35.42 | guugmember | ? |
| 20:36.17 | NewSole | ya but I never changes that.... |
| 20:37.14 | NewSole | what are the values you want |
| 20:38.53 | burthold | Is there a way to make asterisk not pick up a line if someone else picks it up or set the number of rings before it picks up on a pstn incoming line? |
| 20:39.05 | NewSole | firestrm... look at http://pastebin.ca/10733 |
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| 20:39.56 | E|nyPRI_ | anyone know how I can get a incoming zap channel on asterisk ring a phone registered to ser? |
| 20:40.39 | firestrm | NewSole, i would like it to match the sipura ones.. |
| 20:41.13 | NewSole | do youo have the values |
| 20:41.40 | guugmember | shido6, hello, are you here? |
| 20:41.40 | harryvv | burt, yes |
| 20:42.02 | harryvv | burthold use the wait application |
| 20:42.16 | NewSole | blitzrage.... you there |
| 20:42.23 | burthold | wait application? |
| 20:42.30 | guugmember | shido6, can we talk about a new remote assistance service? |
| 20:42.30 | harryvv | wait 15 will put asterisk on hold for 3 rings before the server picks up the line. |
| 20:42.39 | harryvv | s,1,Wait( |
| 20:42.50 | burthold | ahh ok. |
| 20:43.17 | harryvv | actually no bracket |
| 20:43.24 | harryvv | its s,1,wait,15 |
| 20:43.26 | firestrm | NewSole, from the regional tab of the spa3k, cadence 2=60(.3/.2,1/.2,.3/4) 3=30(.1/.1, .3/.1, .1/9.3) and 4= 30(.1/.1,.1/.1,.1/9.5) if i could get the r2 r3 and r4 zap parameter to match that would make me happy |
| 20:43.28 | guugmember | anyone has worked with an avaya definity identifying cdrs sent when the call is terminated? |
| 20:44.03 | harryvv | burthold look at this |
| 20:44.05 | harryvv | http://asterisk.drunkcoder.com/Wait%20and%20Timeouts.pdf |
| 20:44.47 | NewSole | blitzrage.... I was checking what you are talking about fwdOUT and that not for commercial.... I am talking commercial |
| 20:45.09 | NewSole | firestrm... can you match it to http://pastebin.ca/10733 |
| 20:46.07 | guugmember | anyone here with avayas definity experience interested in giving payed remote assistance |
| 20:46.13 | burthold | thanks! |
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| 20:48.35 | key2 | where can I find the asterisk manual? |
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| 20:49.38 | bowman | heya. can someone explain to me the x option of MeetMe? |
| 20:50.43 | vvo | key2: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk |
| 20:53.28 | Qwell | bowman: 'x' -- close the conference when last marked user exits |
| 20:53.51 | firestrm | NewSole, so its not changed in the zonedata.c? |
| 20:54.26 | NewSole | nope and I made mistake |
| 20:54.29 | bowman | Qwell: yeah. but this option doesn't make much sense. if I specify it, I get hangup when only one (non-marked) user enters the room. if I put a second user in the conference with Meetme(number, x), nothing happens when he exits. so what is the sense of the option? ;) |
| 20:54.52 | NewSole | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.53 | NewSole | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.53 | NewSole | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.53 | NewSole | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.53 | NewSole | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.41 | firestrm | NewSole, you rock!! that seems to work perfectly.. i think im going to add that little tidbit to the wiki, for any other happless victims |
| 21:01.45 | NewSole | np |
| 21:01.45 | firestrm | all i have to do now is translate the sipura cadences to the zaptel cadences |
| 21:02.47 | NewSole | :P |
| 21:06.26 | *** join/#asterisk trimi` (~NaStradam@62.162.232.134) |
| 21:07.38 | trimi` | can anyone help me with installing a x100p on my fedora im tring all day with reading from voip-info.com but cant make it working |
| 21:10.49 | Corydon76-home | Is it actually an X100P or a clone card? |
| 21:10.50 | harryvv | trimi do a ztcfg -v |
| 21:11.22 | vpp | has anyone compiled asterisk recently? |
| 21:11.33 | trimi` | Notice: Configuration file is /etc/zaptel.conf |
| 21:11.34 | trimi` | line 145: No such tone zone known: de |
| 21:11.34 | trimi` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.34 | trimi` | 1 error(s) detected |
| 21:11.34 | trimi` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.34 | trimi` | [root@localhost root]# |
| 21:11.41 | trimi` | i will try with US |
| 21:11.44 | trimi` | just a sec |
| 21:11.50 | vpp | or can tell me the gcc version on a box they have compiled 1.0.7 on, but not upgraded gcc? |
| 21:11.54 | harryvv | trimi do a modprobe wcfxo and modprobe zaptel |
| 21:12.14 | harryvv | vpp, yes everyone has. |
| 21:13.17 | vpp | well my problem is that the current gcc version cannot compile asterisk 1.0.7, pwlib 1.5.2 and openhh323_1.12.2 |
| 21:13.32 | harryvv | mine is not current |
| 21:14.00 | trimi` | harryvv |
| 21:14.02 | trimi` | now i got this |
| 21:14.04 | trimi` | 2 channels configured. |
| 21:14.04 | trimi` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.04 | trimi` | ZT_CHANCONFIG failed on channel 2: Invalid argument (22) |
| 21:14.04 | trimi` | Did you forget that FXS interfaces are configured with FXO signalling |
| 21:14.04 | trimi` | and that FXO interfaces use FXS signalling? |
| 21:14.32 | trimi` | is this a problem cuz i got 2 x100p on same pc |
| 21:14.41 | vpp | i need an older gcc i think |
| 21:14.51 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trimi`, use pastebin please |
| 21:14.51 | vpp | ok can u do a gcc -v and tell me what version your running? |
| 21:14.54 | MikeJ[Laptop] | ~pastebin |
| 21:14.55 | jbot | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca |
| 21:15.02 | vpp | i'd like to know a version that works so i can downgrade mine to it :) |
| 21:15.33 | harryvv | trimi, google that then fix the error |
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| 21:16.20 | MikeJ[Laptop] | vpp, what version are you running? |
| 21:16.31 | trimi` | i dont understand what you mean with google that ? |
| 21:17.02 | bowman | is meetme agi implemented in 1.0.7? |
| 21:17.04 | teletel | Does anybody know how much the DS3000P will be roundabout? |
| 21:17.05 | vpp | 3.4.something... so just re-installing the machine now so cant tell u exact |
| 21:17.21 | MikeJ[Laptop] | your gcc is fine |
| 21:17.25 | vpp | *sorry just re-installing the machine now so cant tell u exact |
| 21:17.44 | MikeJ[Laptop] | version wise at least |
| 21:17.56 | vpp | MikeJ[Laptop]: well it goes something like this! if i download asterisk 1.0.7 i need those pwlib and openh323 versions |
| 21:18.04 | vpp | but pwlib fails to compile as does openh.. |
| 21:18.25 | vpp | if i checkout asterisk (latest dev version) with pwlib 1.9.0 and openh 1.17.1 everything compiles fine, and runs find.. |
| 21:18.38 | vpp | except i have the RTP bug.. where its sending the ip address as 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:18.52 | vpp | that should have been fixed on 0.7.1 but something has broken it again :( |
| 21:19.24 | MikeJ[Laptop] | ummmm, so the issue is that some of the h323 stuff is picky? I have no idea on that, sorry |
| 21:19.38 | Corydon76-home | Well, it's stabley broken |
| 21:20.04 | vpp | well.. i read that something changed with the makefiles, and so new gcc can't compile old pwlib,openh and/or asterisk and vice versa |
| 21:20.14 | harryvv | The realestate bubble soon to explode |
| 21:20.33 | Corydon76-home | How new of a GCC? |
| 21:21.01 | vpp | well i saw it somewhere googling around.. so i dont know the specifics.. lets treat it as 'romour' because i'm no expert |
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| 21:21.45 | vpp | i saw on the bug tracker the RTP 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1 is an old bug.. |
| 21:22.11 | Corydon76-home | Great... |
| 21:22.13 | vpp | i even modified rtp.c myself, but the bug seems to be in the open_ch323.c |
| 21:22.48 | vpp | there seems to be an ongoing saga about asterisk knowing the real interface address |
| 21:22.50 | Corydon76-home | Have you opened a bug report yet? |
| 21:23.19 | vpp | well i wanted to do a bit more work myself, by confirming the stable release IS ok with this configuration |
| 21:23.29 | vpp | dont wanna waste their time! |
| 21:24.02 | vpp | but i cant compile 1.0.7 with those pwlib/openh323 so i might just have to open a bug report |
| 21:25.10 | vpp | does anyone here know about the asterisk code? i had assumed that even for the openh323 channel driver it would use the rtp.c to form the RTP sockets ? |
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| 21:40.33 | Nethab | yawn |
| 21:40.43 | sivana | is there a way to have an agent/queue working only during certain hours, then only use voicemail or something? |
| 21:40.53 | Nethab | yes |
| 21:41.03 | sivana | do you have a macro for that? :) |
| 21:41.11 | JerJer[interop] | macro? |
| 21:41.12 | JerJer[interop] | lol |
| 21:41.16 | JerJer[interop] | that's funny |
| 21:41.32 | Nethab | you can define includes based on time |
| 21:41.39 | sivana | hehe |
| 21:41.49 | Nethab | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+tips+openhours |
| 21:42.09 | sivana | cool.. thanks |
| 21:42.37 | NewSole | hmmmmmmm.... |
| 21:42.51 | bowman | shhiiiiiiiaaaaaaat :) |
| 21:43.18 | Nethab | sunnnnni |
| 21:43.36 | Nethab | kuuuuurrrrds |
| 21:44.09 | vpp | lol |
| 21:56.11 | mozrat | Hey guys - any kphone and asterisk users here?? seems dtmf doesn't work : |
| 21:56.12 | mozrat | :( |
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| 21:56.34 | Qwell | mozrat: try changing your dtmfmode |
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| 21:59.04 | mozrat | Qwell: Hmm, there's no option for that in the preferences... no man page... nothing in /usr/share/docs/kphone and kphone --help or -h just starts it |
| 21:59.14 | mozrat | it's a kphone --use-the-force-luke application then |
| 21:59.16 | Qwell | mozrat: in * I mean |
| 21:59.26 | mozrat | Qwell: ahhh |
| 21:59.33 | mozrat | ok -thanks |
| 21:59.42 | mozrat | at least * is well documented :-) |
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| 22:07.54 | *** join/#asterisk voip0 (~orwall@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-227.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 22:08.03 | mozrat | Qwell: oh well, didn't work |
| 22:08.10 | mozrat | tried all 3 for that sip peer |
| 22:08.12 | Qwell | Did you reload? |
| 22:08.16 | mozrat | yes |
| 22:08.30 | Nethab | dtmfmode = inband |
| 22:08.32 | Nethab | ? |
| 22:08.33 | mozrat | running inband generated a load of incompatible errors |
| 22:08.41 | mozrat | ahh |
| 22:08.51 | mozrat | maybe I should disallow gsm for that peer |
| 22:09.02 | mozrat | it was saying you can't use inband with gsm |
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| 22:10.11 | mozrat | :D |
| 22:10.17 | voip0 | Hello everybody; which softphone is better gnomemeeting or linphone? I have Asterisk installed but I still need a softphone to place calls |
| 22:10.23 | mozrat | thanks Qwell, Nethab |
| 22:10.29 | mozrat | disallow gsm and force inband |
| 22:10.30 | mozrat | cheers |
| 22:10.51 | Nethab | gno phone you mean voip0? |
| 22:11.01 | Nethab | gnophone |
| 22:11.11 | voip0 | is that GPL? |
| 22:11.15 | Nethab | yes |
| 22:11.36 | voip0 | would it be in Ubuntu packages? |
| 22:11.42 | Nethab | don't know |
| 22:11.47 | voip0 | sorry for asking |
| 22:11.48 | Nethab | www.gnophone.com |
| 22:11.56 | voip0 | I will check |
| 22:15.18 | voip0 | thanks Nethab |
| 22:15.28 | Nethab | np |
| 22:15.30 | voip0 | it's just what I wanted |
| 22:15.42 | Nethab | it's like christmas in may |
| 22:15.52 | voip0 | exactly |
| 22:15.55 | voip0 | bye |
| 22:16.02 | *** part/#asterisk voip0 (~orwall@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-227.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 22:22.31 | Corydon76-home | Isn't gnophone still iax1-only? |
| 22:29.27 | NewSole | Qusetion here have PRi's Setup.... |
| 22:30.06 | A-Tuin | anyone know if asterisk can be made to be a "text compatible phone" |
| 22:32.47 | Mavvie | asterisk isn't a phone. |
| 22:34.24 | A-Tuin | yeah I know, but as it handles my calls I want to see if I can receive text messages through it via zap |
| 22:34.50 | JerJer[interop] | that is called SMS |
| 22:34.55 | A-Tuin | nope |
| 22:35.45 | A-Tuin | http://www.bt.com/bttext/index.html <- got one of these through the other night, except it gave me my message while ogm was running on voicemail |
| 22:36.28 | JerJer[interop] | yes that is called SMS |
| 22:37.21 | A-Tuin | wow, k I stand corrected. Thought it was bt messing with their callerid again |
| 22:37.55 | Druken | sms on a landline? |
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| 22:39.14 | A-Tuin | that's what I thought, there anything on the wiki I can get more info for this searching seems a bit vague for me |
| 22:39.39 | JerJer[interop] | read the * |
| 22:39.40 | JerJer[interop] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.34 | A-Tuin | the only calling features I have are caller id, and going from what I caught in the voicemail left I've a compatible line, just need to be able to handle the "call" within * |
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| 22:48.45 | burthold | So, I need 20 good cheap phone voice quality over bells and whisles. |
| 22:58.47 | Nethab | British Telecom has SMS over their landlines |
| 22:59.38 | NewSole | Qusetion.... anyone here have PRi's.... we have 5 trunks and we are looking to share 4 channels off those trunks though a dundi type service to those willing to do the same.... |
| 23:03.01 | tzafrir | if I have a voip provider that uses iax and I get a new connection, to which iax peer will that connection go? |
| 23:03.42 | tzafrir | In the docs for setting up a connection to FWD I see that you must use the peer name "outfwd" |
| 23:04.25 | tzafrir | (or is it fwdout?) |
| 23:06.25 | tzafrir | sorry, iaxfwd |
| 23:07.11 | Nethab | you don't *have* to name it that, but a descriptive name is recommended |
| 23:07.25 | Nethab | to help identify it in the config and logs |
| 23:08.12 | Nethab | and to choose which provider you call out, you provide the peer name in the dial command |
| 23:12.00 | mozrat | "This is not a valid conference number, Please try again!" |
| 23:12.01 | mozrat | grrrr |
| 23:12.23 | mozrat | Is meetme this hard to setup or am I fscking it up badly? |
| 23:12.48 | mozrat | meetme.conf: conf => 8990,8990 |
| 23:13.16 | tzafrir | just had this becase ztdummy was not loaded |
| 23:13.22 | mozrat | exten => 500,1,MeetMe(8990||8990) |
| 23:13.42 | tzafrir | (and then I relized iax trunking also probably needs it) |
| 23:14.03 | mozrat | tzafrir: right |
| 23:15.16 | bowman | mozrat: got timing straight? |
| 23:16.27 | *** join/#asterisk iheartcanada (~iheartcan@lfc.tor.istop.com) |
| 23:17.11 | mozrat | bowman: appears not :) |
| 23:17.20 | mozrat | having a search for ztdummy now |
| 23:17.26 | mozrat | I don't appear to have it at all |
| 23:17.41 | bowman | it's in the zaptel package |
| 23:17.49 | bowman | uncomment it in the makefile |
| 23:18.04 | bowman | make, make install, modprobe zaptel, modprobe ztdummy, off you go ;) |
| 23:18.55 | mozrat | bowman, tzafrir ta :) |
| 23:19.47 | bowman | np :) |
| 23:19.58 | puowvip | buh |
| 23:20.46 | mozrat | surprised it's not included in the Debian zaptel package |
| 23:21.08 | bowman | phew, debian packages... no good :) |
| 23:21.25 | mozrat | bowman: Bah ;) |
| 23:21.39 | bowman | I love Debian :) |
| 23:22.07 | bowman | get the zaptel-source package, as I said you have to modify the Makefile. probably this was not done for the debian zaptel package. |
| 23:22.31 | puowvip | Debian might fully support Asterisk by 2012 |
| 23:23.35 | bowman | I run it on Debian, but self-compiled :-) |
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| 23:24.31 | tzanger | ~seen jerjer |
| 23:24.34 | jbot | jerjer <~JerJer@DSL-226.206-rt-bras.che.centurytel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 3d 18h 24s ago, saying: 'try ulaw or gsm'. |
| 23:24.49 | tzanger | dammit jbot needs a pattern match |
| 23:25.15 | Nethab | yeah, jerjer's been [interop] for a couple days |
| 23:25.25 | tzanger | ~seen jerjer[interhop] |
| 23:25.27 | jbot | i haven't seen 'jerjer[interhop]', tzanger |
| 23:25.30 | sivana | {} |
| 23:25.31 | tzanger | ~seen jerjer[interop] |
| 23:25.33 | jbot | jerjer[interop] <~nonyobizn@45.210.5.249> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 45m 53s ago, saying: ' * Requires text compatible phone, BT Caller Display and compatible line. Some calling features affect use of SMS service.'. |
| 23:25.39 | tzanger | dammit |
| 23:25.53 | sivana | heh |
| 23:26.19 | Nethab | looking for the international house of pancakes again |
| 23:35.02 | bonez39 | does asterisk take much flack from the established PBX community? |
| 23:35.32 | Qwell | bonez39: Only because we take their wives, jobs, and houses. |
| 23:35.44 | ScaredyCat | and their cars |
| 23:35.54 | Druken | their wives?..... i don't want their old wives.... |
| 23:35.55 | Nethab | flack? no, they don't even acknowledge it's existense |
| 23:35.55 | Qwell | ScaredyCat: the cars are included with the wives |
| 23:35.56 | drumkilla | well, at the last VON in San Jose, CA ... the Asterisk pavilion was more than twice the size of any other booth there |
| 23:35.59 | Druken | maybe their daughters... |
| 23:36.19 | Nethab | their mistresses |
| 23:36.29 | ScaredyCat | their matresses |
| 23:36.36 | bonez39 | Nethab, ah, the old ignore trick...eh? |
| 23:36.38 | Qwell | matresses come with the houses |
| 23:36.48 | Nethab | although cisco did just buy up sipura |
| 23:36.50 | ScaredyCat | tell that to the wives |
| 23:37.18 | Druken | Nethab: that gives cisco the complette rights to the firmware |
| 23:37.55 | Druken | from what i hear, the linksys pap2 might as well be a sipura .... 200? |
| 23:38.01 | Nethab | yeah better download while we can. WilliamK just got the new version to connect a 33.6 kbps modem connection over a sipura 2000 |
| 23:38.35 | iheartcanada | keep talking about daughters...interesting. |
| 23:38.57 | Nethab | fathers be good to your daughters... you mean like that song |
| 23:39.55 | Druken | thank christ i don't have a daughter... i'd kill the dirty lil bastard who tries to get in her pants |
| 23:40.16 | bonez39 | cisco did? does that mean now that I'll end up paying more to buy a sipura box? |
| 23:40.21 | Nethab | in her pants, what is she doing wearing pants to begin with |
| 23:40.39 | Nethab | no it means you won't get an AC adapter with it |
| 23:40.49 | iheartcanada | a while back i asked someone here about whether the hardware asterisk hooks up can be talked to with standard jtapi/tapi apis, and they laughed at me :( |
| 23:40.50 | Nethab | stupid PoE |
| 23:40.51 | Druken | hahaha |
| 23:41.03 | Druken | the linksys comes with a nice ac adaptor |
| 23:41.11 | bonez39 | Druken, sounds like sage words from a grown man who was once also a horny young boy.... |
| 23:41.13 | Nethab | but does linksys provider PoE |
| 23:41.28 | NewSole | Qusetion.... anyone here have PRi's want to make free calls.... we have 5 trunks and we are looking to share 20 channels off those trunks though a dundi type service to those willing to share 4 channels off thier PRI.... |
| 23:41.30 | Nethab | all i see are PoE recivers on the wireless access points |
| 23:41.37 | Druken | bonez39: was once? pfft.. still is |
| 23:41.42 | bonez39 | I jsut have three little oversexed boys....that I nave to control..and warn to keep away from the girls.. |
| 23:42.07 | Nethab | girls are stupid and crazy |
| 23:42.27 | bonez39 | that's what I tell my boys... |
| 23:42.33 | bonez39 | and that they all have cooties..;) |
| 23:42.33 | iheartcanada | are there any good books to get a basic grounding on how telephone networks work? words like PRI, Trunk, Channel, Dundi, just greek to me. |
| 23:43.59 | Nethab | how bout a simple explanation |
| 23:44.12 | d-tech | PSTN 4 dummies |
| 23:44.27 | Nethab | a PRI is a Primary/Premium Rate Interface |
| 23:44.36 | Nethab | or another word for telephone line |
| 23:44.36 | mozrat | bowman - did all that, ztdummy loaded fine. Still same problem :( Is there some sort of config to be done for ztdummy? |
| 23:44.37 | iheartcanada | Nethab: thx |
| 23:44.52 | iheartcanada | Nethab: but i don't want to waste your time.... |
| 23:44.58 | Nethab | a BRI is a Basic Rate Interface commonly over ISDN |
| 23:45.11 | Nethab | it's ok I just make this stuff up anyways |
| 23:45.32 | Nethab | PRI is commonly over T1 or possible DS-1 or DS3 |
| 23:45.45 | iheartcanada | if there are no book, it's alright, maybe they will publish one in the near future |
| 23:45.47 | Nethab | all of which are copper connections to the phone company |
| 23:46.07 | Nethab | there isn't one book, this stuff goes back decades |
| 23:46.21 | iheartcanada | ... |
| 23:46.32 | iheartcanada | Nethab: thank you for explaining |
| 23:46.35 | Nethab | the PSTN is the Public Switched Telephone Network, think of it as the Internet of phone systems |
| 23:47.17 | Nethab | a Trunk is a bunch of lines or calls over the same line or connection |
| 23:48.45 | iheartcanada | lol, nethab, your explanations are crystal clear, but i am really confused |
| 23:48.59 | iheartcanada | let me look on amazon |
| 23:49.14 | NewSole | anyone ever get that "switch" function to work in dial plan example "switch = IAX2/someuser:somepass@somehost.com/context" |
| 23:49.21 | Nethab | DUNDI is a voip technology people try to use to publish their ENUM directories, and ENUM is a list of all your phone numbers and VoIP equivelants |
| 23:49.49 | Nethab | don't worry i just like to hear myself talk |
| 23:50.17 | NewSole | at least someone is talking in channel |
| 23:50.29 | iheartcanada | listening to you is like a telephony guy listening to me explain what is a custom entity class |
| 23:50.32 | bonez39 | Nethab, here's one...how many pairs are in a T1 ? |
| 23:50.42 | bonez39 | is it like a huge fat trunk of wires...or not really? |
| 23:50.43 | iheartcanada | :) |
| 23:51.09 | NewSole | Question.... anyone here have PRi's want to make free calls.... we have 5 trunks and we are looking to share 20 channels off those trunks though a dundi type service to those willing to share 4 channels off thier PRI.... |
| 23:51.43 | Nethab | i know what an entity class is |
| 23:51.50 | Nethab | i'm actually a web programmer |
| 23:51.56 | iheartcanada | Nethab: sweet |
| 23:52.23 | Nethab | a t1 can go over 1 pair or 10 it's a signaling spec |
| 23:52.24 | iheartcanada | so i guess you aren't just a telephony guy, but i really am not a telephony guy :( |
| 23:52.57 | iheartcanada | that limitation, it's making my education of asterisk a real headache |
| 23:53.19 | Nethab | actually i'm writing my own asterisk management interface as a Firefox extension |
| 23:53.25 | bonez39 | so if someone say, thumping their chest..they have a T-1 at their work....it just means they have that signaling spec..doesnt' really mean much about their capacity....or how many pairs they have? |
| 23:53.52 | Nethab | in the same way they can say they have a frame relay or an ATM line |
| 23:53.53 | iheartcanada | bonez39: from what i heard, T1 is anywhere from 1 ISBN to partial to a full T1 |
| 23:54.08 | bonez39 | Nethab, you raise another question..I really like that extension..useragentswitcher..but it tends to crach my firefox.... |
| 23:54.08 | iheartcanada | ISBN = 64K+64K bytes |
| 23:54.09 | Nethab | you can have a fractional T1 |
| 23:54.16 | iheartcanada | ISDN i mean |
| 23:54.33 | Nethab | two ISDN B channels are 112kbps |
| 23:54.42 | bonez39 | ISBN means....book identifier |
| 23:54.47 | Nethab | yeah hehe |
| 23:55.02 | iheartcanada | 56K+56K then |
| 23:55.10 | bonez39 | some tell me..any extension will eventually 'break' firefox..can that be true? |
| 23:55.24 | Nethab | define break |
| 23:55.34 | bonez39 | I hate having to run IE...just to use a site that wants to see IE..instead of firefox |
| 23:55.38 | iheartcanada | bonez39: if they are sharing the same memory space, it's possible |
| 23:55.58 | Nethab | you can create an extension with a bad overlay that completely messes up the chrome of the browser |
| 23:56.02 | bonez39 | break, as in...can't run firefox...without starting it in safe mode...disabling the offending extension and then starting firefox |
| 23:56.20 | Nethab | so you can't use it yes |
| 23:56.31 | Nethab | any number of bad XPCOM stuff can do that |
| 23:56.45 | bonez39 | so it's how the extension is written...apparently useragentswitcher is poorly written and allows two applications to write in each others memory? |
| 23:57.18 | bonez39 | I see chrome.. is that the interface for firefox? |
| 23:57.29 | Nethab | XPCOM components are C compiled stuff that can have memory problems just like every other app |
| 23:57.52 | Nethab | chrome is the stuff you see that's not part of a web page yes |
| 23:58.04 | bonez39 | Nethab, ok....maybe I should write to the useragentswitcher author and ask about his use of XPCOM |
| 23:58.44 | Nethab | it could be any number of things |
| 23:58.50 | bonez39 | here's another question..sometimes i will get a movie file..a .wmv that won't play in firefox....nor will it play using vlc ....I just get audio instead of audio and video.. |
| 23:58.51 | Nethab | xpcom is just one |
| 23:58.55 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 23:59.11 | bonez39 | whateverit is...useragentswitcher uses some code that doesn't behave correctly |
| 23:59.47 | Nethab | yeah most likely |