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| 17:36.31 | qweo | Hello! |
| 17:36.37 | qweo | Is there any work underway on other cards? |
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| 18:07.10 | lkcl | qweo, there's only enough money left available to pay for materials and factory production. |
| 18:07.28 | lkcl | there's not enough left for either new cards or for living expenses for me. |
| 18:16.07 | qweo | How much would you need to be able to evaluate other SoCs? |
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| 19:34.25 | lkcl | it's about USD $2000 per set of 10 PCBs, it takes about 1-2 days to assess if the SoC is suitable. it takes me between.... 1 day and 2 weeks to track down a Reference Design, then it takes about... 3-5 weeks to do the PCB CAD work. |
| 19:35.53 | lkcl | qweo, so between 1 and 2 months, my living expenses are around USD $1500 in Taiwan (excluding cost of flights out of TW every 90 days), and it takes 5-6 weeks for the factory to get the components and order and assemble the PCBs. |
| 19:36.36 | lkcl | testing then takes between 1-4 weeks depending on whether it's a well-known SoC with good community support or not. |
| 19:37.53 | qweo | What is the maximum price for a SoC to be worth considering at current demand levels? |
| 19:53.11 | lkcl | interestingly the price of the SoC isn't the main concern, they're usually between $4 and $10 if china-made, and $15 to $30 if USA-designed. the primary concern is the DDR RAM. |
| 19:53.39 | lkcl | if it's not using LPDDR3 (and that's dicey as well) it's really very challenging |
| 19:53.55 | lkcl | as the entire DRAM industry has moved to DDR4 and LPDDR4. |
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| 19:54.04 | lkcl | it's a serious problem. |
| 19:54.37 | lkcl | 2GB worth of 4 DDR3 x8 RAM ICs is *EIGHTEEN* US dollars right now |
| 19:55.27 | lkcl | a minimum production run to be viable is around 500 units. that's pushing it. |
| 19:55.49 | lkcl | 1000 is much better, the factories don't get stroppy with you. |
| 19:56.10 | lkcl | it's late here i have the barcelona conference starting tomorrow |
| 19:58.11 | qweo | Ah, RISC-V |
| 19:58.35 | qweo | Have a good conference! |
| 20:00.15 | qweo | I'm hoping the new Chinese RAM manufactor will put an and to price fixing soon |
| 20:05.51 | qweo | Would you work on other form-factors lkcl? You had a larger EOMA design but no devices implementing it, right? |
| 20:10.13 | qweo | Is there any work on Ingenic or ICube-based cards? |
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