| 00:01.55 | ericxdu | C-Keen: probably. I don't see anything in their faq that indicates they re-render pages or anything weird |
| 00:17.55 | ericxdu | I've noticed people are dissatisfied with the fragmentation of Android platform. If this is due to all the non-libre forks of Android, what other tangible bad has come out of that situation? |
| 00:19.20 | ericxdu | non-libre, non-free, proprietary re-licensed forks of a permissive-licensed OS |
| 00:25.35 | jfred[m] | The proliferation of devices for which the manufacturer doesn't care enough to mainline their changes |
| 00:26.18 | jfred[m] | Leading to thousands of devices locked to old kernels |
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| 00:30.51 | jfred[m] | I can't be sure, but I have a feeling that has at least something to do with it |
| 00:36.28 | ericxdu | jfred[m]: That's pretty much the jist of it huh? Maker doesn't care, user gets the shaft. |
| 00:36.37 | ericxdu | To use a euphemism |
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| 01:16.30 | jfred[m] | Though libre vs. proprietary isn't the biggest part of that - the kernel is GPL and the better manufacturers follow that and release the code |
| 01:16.42 | jfred[m] | But I don't think libre software alone is enough, we need a culture change |
| 01:18.55 | jfred[m] | (In the mobile world that is - the desktop Linux world has a great free software culture IMO) |
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| 01:49.54 | lkcl | ericxdu: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/android_tablets/ |
| 01:50.45 | lkcl | http://mjg59.livejournal.com/132339.html |
| 01:55.40 | lkcl | ericxdu: the user already gave them their money, so yeah, why the fuck should the manufacturer care?? |
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| 04:17.16 | ericxdu | jfred[m]: might fragmentation frustration be enough to incite a culture change? |
| 04:49.22 | ericxdu | lkcl: glad ppl have been tracking this problem here |
| 04:49.42 | ericxdu | Well not "here". "at all" |
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| 06:22.41 | C-Keen | ericxdu: you may ask on the dillo-dev list, it's a friendly bunch |
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| 10:57.55 | SPG | https://launchpad.net/~vincent-legoll master 0af8ce3 source index.html Add sitemap link * http://source.rhombus-tech.net/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=0af8ce3 |
| 11:02.30 | SPG | https://launchpad.net/~vincent-legoll master ebab99f source index.html botched cutnpaste * http://source.rhombus-tech.net/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=ebab99f |
| 11:12.54 | SPG | https://launchpad.net/~vincent-legoll master 6ebfbd8 source getting_involved.mdwn typo * http://source.rhombus-tech.net/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ebfbd8 |
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| 12:09.32 | jfred[m] | ericxdu: Unlikely - the people frustrated by fragmentation are mostly users trying to use devices a few years after their release, not the manufacturers. (And developers who can't assume most of their users are even able to upgrade their phones.) |
| 12:09.46 | jfred[m] | The manufacturers have to maintain n branches of the kernel, where n is the number of devices they're currently supporting, but that may be less effort than trying to upstream their changes. |
| 12:10.10 | jfred[m] | And as Luke said, once they have your money, they have little incentive to care |
| 13:02.01 | lkcl | jfred[m]: this is why it's important to break proceessing units out of the control of the manufacturers. |
| 13:02.49 | lkcl | EOMA68 modularisation forces processors to be considered as general purpose computers and the housings as merely peripherals |
| 13:03.09 | lkcl | just like the pc industry 15-25 years ago |
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| 13:15.47 | jfred[m] | Or like the desktop PC industry today, honestly |
| 13:17.05 | jfred[m] | But yes, EOMA68 definitely helps to better align manufacturers' incentives with the long-term needs of their customers |
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