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| 01:47.41 | lkcl | arossdotme: yehh which i think it's nicer when people get to talk instead |
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| 09:31.20 | rellla | for the record: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/EOMA68-will-Basis-fuer-wiederverwendbare-Open-Source-Computerhardware-werden-3270655.html |
| 09:31.24 | rellla | only german though |
| 09:32.04 | C-Keen | cool |
| 09:32.22 | C-Keen | heise is a wide reachin medium, that should get some more backers |
| 09:32.48 | rellla | though comments are as always on heise.de ... |
| 09:33.15 | C-Keen | don't read the comments for the sake of keeping your faith in humanity ;) |
| 09:33.42 | rellla | with a general negotiating touch, mostly d**b sh*t |
| 09:35.14 | rellla | "negotiating" is wrong :p "negating" should be what i meant |
| 09:41.22 | C-Keen | btw is the FSF certification still pending? |
| 10:50.02 | arossdotme | C-Keen, i think so, bear in mind they where busy at a conf or something so it will get decided at some point in time |
| 10:50.45 | C-Keen | I am not impatient just curious |
| 14:23.06 | edwin | lkcl: alongside the laptop comparison have you thought of doing a comparison with some of the recent single-board-computers in the future? (pine64/chip/etc.) AFAICT Pine64's problem is the need for libdram blob in the boot process (boot0/SPL) that you mentioned somewhere already, and they still seem to rely on pretty old kernels (3.10.x). you mentioned somewhere that eoma68 should work with newer kernels? |
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| 16:04.15 | arossdotme | C-Keen, i just ment it might be a while :) sorry didnt mean to sound that i thought of ya impatient |
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| 19:01.17 | C-Keen | arossdotme: no worries! |
| 19:03.26 | C-Keen | lkcl: I do have a more general question about the eoma standard itself. Since all interfaces are mandatory, I suspect that over time busses like USB will become quite obsolete. That probably won't happen any time soon for USB but HDMI and/or other display outputs might change... What are your thoughts on that? |
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| 20:29.59 | lkcl | edwin: just tested eoma68-a20 with 4.7 yesterday it works fine. |
| 20:31.10 | lkcl | edwin: if i make a comparison against existing SBCs, you only need to do one actual SBC: they're all short-lived, they're all single-purpose, they're all impossible to put usefully into mass-volume products... it's an update that doesn't really need to be done because it wouldn't be a positive one. |
| 20:31.27 | lkcl | rellla: thanks! great! |
| 20:32.33 | lkcl | C-Keen: the RYF Certification is pending them having actual physical samples in their hands. i'm slightly annoyed at having the "refund" offer added without asking for my input... |
| 20:32.59 | lkcl | C-Keen: because once we've made the samples, we *CAN'T* provide refunds!!! |
| 20:33.21 | lkcl | lkcl: C-Keen: fortunately we've worked out a strategy to deal with that. |
| 20:36.44 | lkcl | rellla: might need your help, i'm answering pretty much everything, regardless of language |
| 20:43.36 | rellla | http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/23777/universelle-rechnerkarte-eoma68-sucht-unterstützer.html |
| 20:43.43 | rellla | another one... |
| 20:45.09 | rellla | lkcl: you should try to get an article on golem.de imho |
| 20:45.56 | rellla | together with heise.de these should be the most important german ones... |
| 20:46.23 | C-Keen | lkcl: do you really expect a lot of people insisting on refunds? |
| 20:50.19 | rellla | comments in general are mostly silly ones. I have no "power" to answer that... The negative ones criticise the soc choice. A20 is old and from gpl violating allwinner.... |
| 20:51.04 | C-Keen | but has upstream kernel support so what |
| 20:51.18 | C-Keen | All these arguments are just tireing |
| 20:51.25 | rellla | Very superficial kind of view. Sad. Always the same problem as for the whole linux-sunxi community... |
| 20:51.32 | C-Keen | None of these people can offer a better solution |
| 20:51.41 | rellla | C-Keen: i know, you know. |
| 20:52.21 | rellla | "Standard" users, heise-rpi-only.de users don't. |
| 21:01.35 | rellla | ok, lkcl, saw you joined your "learning german" lesson :) good luck! |
| 21:11.50 | C-Keen | lkcl: also sorry to trigger you on this issue :) |
| 21:13.05 | C-Keen | lkcl: have you seen my other question relating defined interfaces becomming obsolete? Note, that I don't want to mock any of the EOMA's decissions, I am asking out of interest and wrt the earth friendliness goal. I have accumulated too many embedded thingies that have become obsolete way too fast |
| 22:02.38 | lkcl | rellla: oooff.... :) |
| 22:03.07 | lkcl | C-Keen: i cover this in the ecocomputing white paper interfaces analysis |
| 22:03.33 | C-Keen | lkcl: will look for it thanks |
| 22:03.37 | lkcl | but think about it: with 20 years of history, do you *really* think that USB, MMC, SPI, I2C and UART are going to become obselete in the next 10 years? |
| 22:03.44 | lkcl | i'll find the link... 1sec... |
| 22:04.03 | lkcl | C-Keen: http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/ |
| 22:04.28 | lkcl | C-Keen: there are literally 10s of thousands of I2C, SPI and UART sensors and ICs |
| 22:04.30 | C-Keen | thanks |
| 22:04.40 | lkcl | C-Keen: 10s of thousands of USB products |
| 22:04.46 | C-Keen | I agree on that, I am just not so sure about the display |
| 22:05.01 | lkcl | C-Keen: even the recent announcement of an upgrade to MMC i don't think is an issue |
| 22:05.22 | lkcl | C-Keen: the display, ok - because of RGB/TTL, it is the lowest-common-denominator, so no |
| 22:05.49 | lkcl | C-Keen: take a look on http://panelook.com - search for some displays (make sure to tick "in production') |
| 22:06.13 | lkcl | go from 320x240 to 640x480 to 800x600 to 1024x600, all the way up to 1366x768. |
| 22:06.24 | lkcl | at the low end it's *always* RGB/TTL. |
| 22:06.43 | lkcl | at the higher end it's LVDS (despite what the "industry" wants people to believe) |
| 22:06.53 | lkcl | the SN75LVDS83b is $1... :) |
| 22:07.17 | C-Keen | yeah LVDS is always an option |
| 22:07.18 | lkcl | even if eDP or MIPI does actually take over, we will always be able to get a converter IC that's only 1/10th the cost of the actual LCD. |
| 22:07.29 | C-Keen | true |
| 22:07.35 | C-Keen | thanks for reminding me :) |
| 22:07.38 | lkcl | $1 LVDS IC + $25 1366x768 15in LCD..... |
| 22:08.10 | lkcl | if i had chosen LVDS or eDP or worse MIPI, it would be ridiculous: the down-converter ICs are *MORE* than the cost of some of the processors! |
| 22:08.26 | lkcl | because of patent royalty licensing and built-in DRM... grrr. |
| 22:09.03 | lkcl | HDMI to RGB/TTL converter ICs can only be ordered in volumes of 50,000, but because they could be used to bypass DRM with a hardware design their sale is RESTRICTED. |
| 22:09.12 | lkcl | fucking idiots. |
| 22:09.19 | lkcl | pisses me off |
| 22:10.03 | lkcl | anyway. i gotta take a break. |
| 22:14.03 | C-Keen | lkcl: take care! |