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| 06:51.07 | edwin | lkcl: nice comparison table. are you using the quad-core i.MX6 in your table? according to this (http://hackerboards.com/3-5-inch-imx6-board-runs-linux-at-less-than-3-watts/) the dual core would use 2.3 W, and the quadcore (http://cache.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/app_note/AN4509.pdf) uses 5.85W, but only under extreme conditions (3d graphics+dual video playback+all 4 cores loaded) |
| 06:53.08 | edwin | are you consider i.MX6 for the "next" CPU card after the A20? (other than power usage it seems to win over A20 in your table) |
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| 08:52.02 | C-Keen | Hi! Just backed the EOMA68 crowdfunding with a card oder. I hope you'll succeed in building it, the idea is sound and something like this is long overdue! |
| 09:38.36 | buZz | C-Keen: which card? :D |
| 09:38.41 | buZz | the one with a gamble attached? |
| 09:40.05 | C-Keen | the libre tea |
| 09:40.21 | C-Keen | what gamble? |
| 09:41.01 | buZz | the gamble that , if FSF denies certification, you get your money back |
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| 09:41.25 | buZz | > Respects Your Freedom (RYF) Certification from the Free Software Foundation (currently in progress with no known blockers - a full refund will be available if certification is for some reason not granted) |
| 09:41.27 | C-Keen | Ah, I'd still want the card, just rename it then ;) |
| 09:41.29 | buZz | ^^ gamble |
| 09:41.34 | buZz | ? |
| 09:41.46 | buZz | C-Keen: the certification is OFCOURSE not about the name |
| 09:41.47 | buZz | lol |
| 09:41.47 | buZz | :P |
| 09:42.01 | C-Keen | A misunderstanding. |
| 09:42.38 | buZz | <3 |
| 09:42.48 | C-Keen | I ordered the free certified one because I want to support that cause in general, but I won't do a refund if the application fails. Instead I'd prefer the other option which is the same HW AIU |
| 09:43.13 | C-Keen | am I making sense to you? |
| 09:43.23 | buZz | i doubt the card would be cancelled then |
| 09:43.27 | buZz | just , uncertified :D |
| 09:43.36 | buZz | i |
| 09:43.37 | C-Keen | right |
| 09:43.48 | C-Keen | but it's worth the try |
| 09:43.49 | buZz | i'm gonna get that libre tea card aswell, and the microdesktop thingy |
| 09:43.56 | C-Keen | same here |
| 09:44.09 | C-Keen | I would buy a 11" laptop. the 15" are too large for me |
| 09:44.16 | buZz | oh its 15" |
| 09:44.21 | C-Keen | but I guess I still can get that kit later |
| 09:44.22 | buZz | yeah i dont have such bad eyesight |
| 09:44.23 | buZz | lol |
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| 16:24.06 | lkcl | edwin: the iMX6 really is a bit too power-hungry. 40nm quad-core, but the power management ICs take up a whopping 2/5ths of the available board space, and it's an 8 layer very very cramped PCB. |
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| 16:25.51 | lkcl | C-Keen: the Libre Tea's OS will still be Libre. |
| 16:27.24 | lkcl | buZz: yyyyeah i reaaally wasn't happy that that had to be added (the refund offer) - this is a crowd-funding campaign: you don't offer refunds! if the Libre Tea cards were refunded (entirely) we could fall below the MOQ 250, which would mean *everybody* would need refunds |
| 16:27.58 | buZz | oh its a FSF requirement? |
| 16:28.00 | lkcl | ... but we can't get the RYF Certification until we have 2 samples provided to the FSF... where we need to use the available funds to *make* those production-quality samples.... |
| 16:28.01 | buZz | dangit |
| 16:28.30 | buZz | lkcl: then you convinced me, i'll order the non-rebate version and just make my own tea |
| 16:28.34 | lkcl | buZz: it's what josh gay asked to be added, and i happened to be away at the time. two samples is the "normal" way |
| 16:29.00 | lkcl | buZz: the Libre Tea will _still_ go out with Parabola-ARM GNU/Linux-libre |
| 16:29.15 | buZz | yeah but i dont wanna make your project less viable |
| 16:29.44 | lkcl | buZz: honestly we don't feel it'll be a problem, because we have a "background backer" who is going to help out |
| 16:29.56 | buZz | i'm mostly just happy to see you going towards production |
| 16:29.57 | lkcl | buZz: it's confidential so i can't give details |
| 16:30.03 | lkcl | me too man! :) |
| 16:30.08 | buZz | although i'll be ordering at the end of your campaign |
| 16:30.24 | buZz | (sorry) |
| 16:30.53 | buZz | but i have a strict 4-preorders-max policy for myself, or i would just get ALL the things |
| 16:31.48 | lkcl | buZz: haha no problem |
| 16:32.04 | buZz | :) |
| 16:32.39 | buZz | i heard some people saying they would order the laptop, if only the screen was smaller :) |
| 16:32.44 | buZz | FYI ;) |
| 19:13.02 | C-Keen | lkcl: no worries |
| 19:14.05 | C-Keen | lkcl: you approach and plannig all seems very sound to me |
| 19:17.12 | C-Keen | *your |
| 20:08.09 | lkcl | C-Keen: thanks. |