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| 12:45.06 | buZz | GNUtoo-irssi: actually mini-pcie connector has 2 USB host ports on it |
| 12:45.08 | buZz | iirc |
| 12:45.43 | buZz | oh just one |
| 12:46.01 | buZz | GNUtoo-irssi: http://i.stack.imgur.com/oQxmT.png |
| 14:15.16 | GNUtoo-irssi | ok |
| 14:15.29 | GNUtoo-irssi | buZz: so it's part of the standard then? |
| 14:15.59 | GNUtoo-irssi | buZz: does EOMA68 exports SATA? |
| 14:16.20 | GNUtoo-irssi | SATA is mentioned on some documents but not on other |
| 14:16.44 | GNUtoo-irssi | thanks |
| 14:16.50 | buZz | EOMA68 is a standard? |
| 14:16.52 | buZz | i dont think o |
| 14:16.54 | buZz | so* |
| 14:17.11 | GNUtoo-irssi | It's documented at least |
| 14:17.22 | GNUtoo-irssi | I don't think it was submited to standard bodies |
| 14:20.09 | GNUtoo-irssi | Do ath9k_htc compatible wifi card exist in formats compatible with this mini-pcie connector. |
| 14:20.50 | GNUtoo-irssi | Assuming I read your image correctly, if that existed, I could just put one in an existing PCI slot, that's great! |
| 14:20.55 | GNUtoo-irssi | *mini-pcie |
| 14:21.18 | GNUtoo-irssi | Usage: I guess BIOS don't check for USB cards plugged into that slot. |
| 14:21.19 | buZz | yes there are mini-pcie wifi cards |
| 14:21.39 | GNUtoo-irssi | No I mean USB wifi cards in a format compatible with that connector |
| 14:21.54 | GNUtoo-irssi | like a similar card would directly use the usb pins |
| 14:22.01 | GNUtoo-irssi | but would fit into the mini-pcie slot |
| 14:22.38 | GNUtoo-irssi | Nowadays a lot of laptop's BIOSes prevent you from replacing the internal wifi card. |
| 14:22.56 | GNUtoo-irssi | I guess many don't prevent you from removing that card (some do). |
| 14:23.38 | GNUtoo-irssi | Assuming you plug an USB card in the same slot instead, the BIOS wound't check for that (unless it requires the original card to be in). |
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| 15:26.05 | arossdotme-planb | GNUtoo-irssi, sata was removed replaced with usb3 |
| 15:27.12 | arossdotme-planb | GNUtoo-irssi, I think luke has a free wifi liike ath9k minipci card in mind. ;) |
| 15:29.08 | buZz | why on earth replace sata with usb3 |
| 15:29.28 | buZz | 'here is a usable low cpu IO method' 'ohhh lets replace it with this high cpu IO method!' |
| 15:35.43 | arossdotme-planb | the lowest contaminator IO on socs, is now usb3 for the forthcoming future of the life span of eoma68 |
| 15:35.57 | arossdotme-planb | usb3/usb |
| 15:36.55 | arossdotme-planb | buZz, speed wise its pretty much the same with a decent usb2sata chip, i think |
| 15:37.47 | arossdotme-planb | but i dont imagine that youll want to have swap over usb3 :/ |
| 15:37.54 | buZz | exactly |
| 15:37.58 | buZz | its way too IO heavy |
| 15:38.03 | buZz | i agree maxspeed is similar |
| 15:38.06 | buZz | but at what cost |
| 15:38.33 | buZz | 3gbps on sata-1 at near 0% load |
| 15:39.51 | arossdotme-planb | cost wise this was cheeper as you get acess to even cheaper socs. all interfaces are manatory. so it have sata would mean that a soc with no sata would need a usb2sata chip adding to the cost of what was supposed to be an extra cheap soc eoma68 card |
| 15:40.18 | buZz | yeah, so its weird to give nonsense precendence on mandatory interfaces |
| 15:40.37 | buZz | i dont like arms without sata |
| 15:40.50 | buZz | they're pretty pointless as desktop replacements or servers |
| 15:41.08 | buZz | i understand no smartphone wants sata |
| 15:41.11 | arossdotme-planb | narr mandatory is necessary for this standard. luke wrote all about it. mailing list, and the white paper on the website |
| 15:41.22 | buZz | but i feel its way too limiting to stick to smartphone cpus as definition |
| 15:41.59 | buZz | i mean, we should be focussing on improvements right? |
| 15:42.10 | buZz | not stick to some old choice someone else made in the past |
| 15:42.26 | arossdotme-planb | eoma-68 is the low cost, good enough standard. |
| 15:42.41 | buZz | then i'll wait for the next standard :) |
| 15:42.46 | arossdotme-planb | this is a new choice to ditch sata an switch for usb3 |
| 15:42.53 | arossdotme-planb | sata was the old choice :) |
| 15:44.17 | arossdotme-planb | yea buzz if you want latest fastest, top of the range, top gaming pc type of expense and spec then you want something like eoma-200. its on the elinux wiki |
| 15:44.38 | buZz | i'll come back in 2020 then |
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| 20:03.49 | GNUtoo-irssi | arossdotme-planb: what are, practically speaking, the differences between a SATA HDD, and an USB3 one? |
| 20:04.04 | GNUtoo-irssi | I am used to USB2, so I don't know USB3. |
| 20:04.16 | GNUtoo-irssi | Are the transport comparable? Same latencies? |
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