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| 09:19.59 | focus_it | keebler: I'm back in office |
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| 15:46.27 | keebler | So far, no Lapdock. :( Shipper put the wrong Zipcode. |
| 15:46.58 | keebler | And, focus_it The AD7125 are on backorder from Analog Devices until 9.30.2013 |
| 15:47.34 | focus_it | keebler: bad |
| 15:47.35 | keebler | I was trying to build them without having to pay $8 Per chip. |
| 15:47.57 | keebler | Analog Devices ARE sending me the chips UPS Overnight though. |
| 15:48.00 | keebler | Because of the issue. |
| 15:48.02 | focus_it | keebler: i got 3 chips. I solder 2 tomorrow and let you know how it went |
| 15:48.17 | focus_it | thats good! |
| 15:48.31 | keebler | Yeah, so I should get them on 10.1 |
| 15:48.50 | keebler | Do you happen to have a BOM of the exact components you bought? |
| 15:49.11 | keebler | I think I ordered all the right ones, but I composed it out of looking at the schematics. |
| 15:49.47 | focus_it | i didn't pay attention to bom - i got some components in stock and some on order |
| 15:49.51 | keebler | Looks like 0603 for most, as well as a few 1206 |
| 15:50.03 | focus_it | and i was going to mix and match items like capacitors for best effect |
| 15:50.19 | keebler | Also, did you use the SOIC16 74LS08? |
| 15:50.30 | focus_it | normally i build it first and then make up mind about which components go into bom |
| 15:50.37 | focus_it | soic16 yes |
| 15:50.51 | keebler | okay good! hahha |
| 15:50.55 | keebler | I was worried. :) |
| 15:51.15 | keebler | Hopefully the PCBs arrive soon. |
| 15:51.20 | focus_it | cheaper to build first and then make up bom - long time ago it had to be prototyped first and then pcb |
| 15:51.37 | focus_it | pcb should arrive wed next week - if not let me know |
| 15:51.45 | keebler | Okay. :) |
| 15:52.02 | keebler | I get to meet Dale Daughtery of Makezine on Monday |
| 15:52.05 | keebler | for two hours. |
| 15:52.09 | focus_it | wow |
| 15:52.15 | keebler | Demo-ing the MEB and EOMA |
| 15:52.27 | focus_it | fantastic |
| 15:52.31 | keebler | :)) |
| 15:52.42 | focus_it | i built my accidental pc http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_accidental_pc1.jpg |
| 15:52.44 | keebler | Wish I had my A20-SOMs, :( |
| 15:52.45 | focus_it | http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_accidental_pc2.jpg |
| 15:52.59 | focus_it | 20 seconds to boot as you know but it as fast as any 2GHz pc |
| 15:53.09 | focus_it | and feels faster than netbook |
| 15:53.15 | keebler | lol |
| 15:53.16 | keebler | Yeah |
| 15:53.23 | keebler | I'm pretty happy with it. |
| 15:53.35 | focus_it | i been ordered to build the soms |
| 15:53.40 | focus_it | asap |
| 15:53.45 | focus_it | what need doing? |
| 15:53.47 | keebler | I was HOPING to have my Lapdock this weekend so I could have had something portable to show Dale. |
| 15:54.06 | keebler | focus_it: On the SoM? |
| 15:54.17 | focus_it | just get a stata docking bay with usb + mmc and you got yourself accidental pc |
| 15:54.24 | focus_it | ordered to build som |
| 15:54.25 | keebler | If you need some SoMs quickly, I can get a few hundred. |
| 15:54.40 | focus_it | i mean design test, build the universal som we discuss |
| 15:54.42 | keebler | How soon do you need them? |
| 15:54.45 | focus_it | asap |
| 15:54.54 | keebler | Let me check with my contact. |
| 15:54.57 | focus_it | by christmas may be |
| 15:55.06 | keebler | Oh, I was thinking by October. |
| 15:55.07 | keebler | :P |
| 15:55.21 | keebler | How many do you need? |
| 15:55.38 | focus_it | we make new products and i need them to be the basic building block of the new product |
| 15:56.02 | focus_it | but it has to be kicad and open so that we don't run into supply trouble |
| 15:56.15 | keebler | Well, it's just the A20 + 1GB DDR2 + 4GB NAND(I'm getting quotes for 32GB), and RTL8201P |
| 15:56.18 | focus_it | i can take time out to cooperate with anyone to get this thing done |
| 15:56.30 | focus_it | and AXP209? |
| 15:56.31 | keebler | Yes |
| 15:56.41 | focus_it | why RTLxx? |
| 15:56.58 | focus_it | you planning putting the ethernet magnetic on the board? |
| 15:57.46 | focus_it | actually you be right rtl needs a lot of wires - while its output is just a couple of wires - better to put it on board |
| 15:57.57 | keebler | yeah. |
| 15:58.14 | focus_it | ok agreed |
| 15:58.29 | focus_it | how about the cooperation - who be interested? |
| 15:58.35 | focus_it | and the kicad cooperation ? |
| 15:58.52 | keebler | Well, what about converting Altium drawings to KiCAD? |
| 15:59.03 | focus_it | yes i can do that - if schematic available |
| 15:59.08 | focus_it | just send me pdf |
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| 15:59.31 | focus_it | because its open sourced, everyone can use it |
| 15:59.43 | focus_it | save time and money! |
| 15:59.45 | focus_it | :) |
| 15:59.49 | keebler | I can TRY to get the schematics, however, I was under the impression they wanted to keep the SoM itself "closed", but make everything else around it, open. |
| 16:00.16 | focus_it | yuk - back to luke scenario - i get shot down if i do that again |
| 16:00.18 | keebler | They are providing me with the schematics for the Dev Board. |
| 16:00.39 | keebler | And will release it opensource. |
| 16:01.13 | focus_it | originally i thought luke was open source board, then it went wits and closed, and that had us in two minds |
| 16:01.26 | keebler | Yeah, we're in the same boat. |
| 16:01.31 | focus_it | but it was worth it to help as he said he intends to open source later |
| 16:02.09 | keebler | We initially signed on to the initiative because of a misunderstanding that the EOMA68-A10 was to be open. |
| 16:02.35 | keebler | That said, I still think it's a worthwhile endeavor |
| 16:02.43 | focus_it | ok - the best plan is i finish helping luke then i help dr. ajith and then i make another uiversal som with redundant 200pin SODIMM and FPC so that it can be used with or without mboard |
| 16:03.03 | focus_it | that is what my company wants and this way of helping each project is probably the quickest for me |
| 16:03.12 | keebler | Right. |
| 16:03.15 | focus_it | as I get experience on the way |
| 16:03.48 | focus_it | dr ajith board has a couple of footprint mistakes, but no problem just remake and move on |
| 16:04.13 | keebler | I'm also partnering up with AW-SoM. |
| 16:04.15 | focus_it | and if that works, i cut it down and make the 'univeral A20 som board' for everybody to use :) |
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| 16:04.54 | focus_it | ok may be they help us or they take some good bits from us like software and give something back - we all win |
| 16:04.58 | keebler | Mainly because for now, I did not want to handle the design work of building a SoM. |
| 16:05.19 | keebler | Well, we could use their manufacturing vendors. |
| 16:05.27 | focus_it | dr. ajith took 3 to 4 months with my help |
| 16:05.52 | focus_it | that would be good - they can productionize this 100% open som board and that benefit us both |
| 16:06.19 | focus_it | i don't have to spend $ making board and they don't have to spend $ desinging board |
| 16:06.20 | keebler | I would have to ask them about that...because it would be a conflict of interest for their business model. |
| 16:06.37 | focus_it | yeah propietary - always crap that gets in the way |
| 16:06.43 | focus_it | i hate proprietary |
| 16:06.45 | focus_it | not personally |
| 16:06.53 | focus_it | but how it destroy projects and cooperation |
| 16:07.28 | focus_it | but any way i am steam roling ahed with universal som - if anyone wants in - so much the better |
| 16:07.44 | focus_it | (after i help luk an ajith) |
| 16:07.48 | keebler | Well, their entire business hinges on the SOM being adopted commercially, and being one of the only companies that can produce it with cheapness and efficiency. :) I definitely want in. :P |
| 16:08.40 | focus_it | that is good - but like cubie, they don't need ownership of drawings to find success - but its hard to explain that to management set in their ways |
| 16:08.44 | keebler | My business model is based around the idea of bringing designers and engineers together to make products and then bring those products to market. |
| 16:09.01 | focus_it | luckily i don't money or payment |
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| 16:09.27 | focus_it | my model is get it working - build product and sell product which other people can't readily make and charge for the priviledge |
| 16:09.37 | keebler | Aye. |
| 16:09.53 | focus_it | so making the board open means nothing - the customers are always going to be the person who want product |
| 16:10.04 | keebler | That is basically the same premise, just worded differently. :) |
| 16:10.15 | focus_it | if someone make duplicate product, cutomer rarely buy from unknowns |
| 16:10.34 | focus_it | they only buy from competitor if they not satisfied with you |
| 16:10.45 | keebler | First To Market is key in that scenario though.... That said, you have the segmentation caused by Rikomagic and Allwinner. |
| 16:10.59 | focus_it | but i keep on improving and moving to next model every day and that what get me customer |
| 16:11.24 | focus_it | riko rubbish with open source - so i go with allwinner |
| 16:11.34 | keebler | Agreed |
| 16:11.55 | focus_it | if i get enough $ i buy arm license and make available a big soc for everyone |
| 16:12.18 | keebler | David wants Allwinner or similar SoC vendor to integrate the DDR + NAND. |
| 16:12.37 | keebler | I agreed with that idea. :) |
| 16:12.50 | focus_it | anway we don't plan selling soc - we plan to be user of soc that we make our own |
| 16:13.09 | focus_it | so no fear for cubie or luke or your partern! :) |
| 16:13.25 | keebler | Hah, yeah. |
| 16:13.49 | focus_it | ok i must go home for now - i log on later as focus_it |
| 16:13.55 | focus_it | bye for now |
| 16:14.02 | keebler | chao |
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