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| 00:35.14 | crazedpsyc | so, how far along are these devices? i.e. is it sane to order something for a production machine as a software developer, with fairly minimal sub-PCB hardware experience? I'd really like to build an ARM laptop, but when I say "build" I mean "design a body and put together" |
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| 01:09.55 | keebler | crazedpsyc: Depends on what you're looking to do. The EOMA68 seems to be stable enough, I've had mine running non-stop for the last 2 weeks. |
| 01:10.45 | keebler | crazedpsyc: I'm building a cradle for the EOMA68 to allow it to plug into a Motorola Lapdock. My Lapdoc 500 Pro arrives tomorrow. |
| 01:11.54 | keebler | Been awake for 36 hours though... grammar failing |
| 01:17.25 | crazedpsyc | keebler: hah, I know the feeling |
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| 01:17.39 | crazedpsyc | my goal is for a thin client sort of laptop |
| 01:18.14 | crazedpsyc | the lapdock is a phone dock, right? so you just add the EOMA68 and make it a computer, basically? |
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| 02:20.08 | steev | as long as you have the right adapters, yeah |
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| 03:10.48 | SPG | master 8a8c58a rhombus allwinner_a10/orders/duzhaofeng.mdwn * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a8c58a |
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| 03:12.11 | crazedpsyc | steev: which would be? |
| 03:12.44 | steev | crazedpsyc: i don't know, i don't have one, but last time i looked at it, you just needed an hdmi cable and a usb cable? i think it was |
| 03:12.57 | crazedpsyc | ah, I see |
| 03:13.03 | crazedpsyc | probably OTG for power |
| 03:13.19 | steev | http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/21/3105822/motorola-lapdock-hacked-raspberry-pi-rikomagic |
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| 03:20.31 | crazedpsyc | so that looks like a very simple device (the lapdock) - might be able to build something in that vein, thanks for the refs |
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| 04:34.23 | steev | yeah, it's definitely very simple |
| 04:42.08 | crazedpsyc | what I haven't figured out yet is the battery. I keep forgetting little things like that. |
| 04:42.38 | crazedpsyc | the EOMA68 laptop example has a full motherboard to deal with it |
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| 08:34.18 | SPG | jmicha master 2b8d852 rhombus allwinner/a20/images.mdwn * EOMA68-A20 now boot Linaro distro * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b8d852 |
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| 08:59.55 | focus | EOMA68-A20 now boots Linaro desktop linux - sata, ethernet, usb, hdmi working http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_boot.html#linaro_boot_uSD_image |
| 09:00.52 | focus | picture + downloadable uSD image file to make bootable uSD card there |
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| 09:25.13 | qingluo | what's the linaro desktop linux version u using? |
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| 09:28.43 | focus | quingluo: http://releases.linaro.org/latest/ubuntu/raring-images/alip |
| 09:29.28 | focus | linaro-raring-alip-20130826-474 |
| 09:35.10 | qingluo | i found that linaro desktop environment's cann't full screen by config file . and it will crash if i use lxterminal --geometry=1280x720 or any resolution |
| 09:38.42 | focus | qingluo: I will check this evening, any other problems to check? |
| 09:39.54 | qingluo | focus:not yet. thank you any way |
| 09:40.00 | focus | k |
| 09:40.01 | focus | ok |
| 09:43.37 | focus | quingluo: it might be permissions to rm ~/.config/lxterminal/lxterminal.conf - temporarily change it to 777, change the resolution and see if it works |
| 09:44.03 | focus | sorry don't do rm! the file is ~/.config/lxterminal/lxterminal.conf |
| 09:44.59 | arokux | focus, why do you document these differences? those were the errors anyway. |
| 09:45.40 | arokux | focus, I've improved our wiki page accordingly. |
| 09:46.22 | focus | arokux: to show history and use as training material later - its just my way of working - log everything and ask questions later :) |
| 09:46.39 | qingluo | focus: i will try |
| 09:46.45 | focus | thanx arokux |
| 09:47.29 | arokux | focus, I see, but as said, those were errors. sunxi-3.0 is an old unmaintained kernel and sun4i_defconfig is for A10, not A20. just letting you know... |
| 09:47.57 | focus | ah! that bit i did not know |
| 09:48.42 | focus | the documentation at linux-sunxi need to change otherwise others fall into same trap |
| 09:48.57 | arokux | focus, done already: http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps#Building_the_kernel |
| 09:49.26 | focus | that was quick |
| 09:49.31 | focus | :) |
| 09:50.57 | arokux | focus, that is what I were trying to tell you. there are lots of people messing around with sunxi-3.4, so you get your answers and some job done by them :p |
| 09:52.26 | focus | I'm very impressed by sunxi - I asked for only 3 items before linaro was up and running on EOMA68 |
| 09:52.47 | focus | must be hundreds of engineers doing the work |
| 09:53.35 | panda84kde | arokux: Is there any equivalent of the upstream-merged device tree files in sunxi-3.4 branch? |
| 09:54.15 | panda84kde | in other words: if I want to build a kernel for Olinuxino A20 is selecting the right defconfig enough (regarding the kernel) |
| 09:54.23 | panda84kde | ? |
| 09:54.25 | qingluo | focus: the X window crash still after i chmod 777 ~/.config/lxterminal/lxterminal.conf |
| 10:03.13 | arokux | panda84kde, defconfig is just a set of some sane settings. same goes for the mainline |
| 10:03.29 | qingluo | focus: sorry, it's my fault. i set its size too large |
| 10:04.03 | arokux | panda84kde, so you'd like a more custom config for your board i.e. ethernet buit-in and not as a module, for example. |
| 10:04.13 | arokux | panda84kde, but defconfig is a good start |
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| 10:07.38 | panda84kde | arokux: thank you |
| 10:19.01 | focus | http://linux-sunxi.org/Bootable_OS_images |
| 10:24.23 | focus | has link added for eoma boot image |
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| 12:10.23 | keebler | crazedpsyc: Keep an eye out in the next few months, and you'll have your Thinclient. ;) |
| 12:10.59 | keebler | focus, when I get into the office, I'll message you. Wanted to go over some ideas. |
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| 12:43.36 | focus | keebler: ok - send the 10 x boards today - will be with you some time next week (5 working days) |
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| 13:03.18 | arokux | focus, why do you want the sources of linaro? |
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| 13:10.20 | focus | gpl compliance requires it if i start distributing uSD card images |
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| 13:13.27 | arokux | focus, why not distribute the kernel and u-boot images only and a script that adds a rootfs to it? |
| 13:13.39 | arokux | (plz ping me, if answering) |
| 13:15.08 | arokux | focus, but maybe I just do not know your target audience |
| 13:17.54 | focus | arokux: we make gadgets that measure electric power. Typically they sell for 10 to 20 years. We need circuit diagrams and source code for everything |
| 13:19.04 | arokux | focus, understood. next question: do you actually want to build linaro stuff from source or you just want to have sources it was built from? |
| 13:20.05 | focus | ideally both - just in case - but happy with sources and prebuilt because I really don't want to spend days compiling!!! |
| 13:21.41 | focus | arokux: I may do just the one compile to prove to boss that we are safe but not do it afterwards |
| 13:24.00 | arokux | focus, I see. you may need a lot of know-how to build a distro from its source packages. |
| 13:25.31 | focus | arokux: in that case i settle for the sources for linaro-raring-alip-20130826-474 and chip away at the compile thing in the background until I learn it |
| 13:26.55 | focus | arokux: I don't expect anything to be easy if compiling an entire distro!! :) |
| 13:28.21 | focus | arokux: it takes me days just to compile one package gambas3 into arm linux. Add a few thousand packages... sheesh! |
| 13:28.58 | arokux | focus, recompoling of ubuntu or debian should be easy, as far you know how is it done |
| 13:29.47 | focus | ok |
| 13:29.59 | arokux | focus, ok, you may want to look into: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto |
| 13:31.41 | arokux | focus, and: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BuildEnvironment |
| 13:32.36 | focus | phooo! Thats a lot - still if I get ordered to do it, I just do it :) |
| 13:32.40 | focus | thanks |
| 13:33.36 | arokux | focus, sbuild is yet another pbuilder, you'd need to choose between them. |
| 13:34.13 | arokux | focus, excited to see your progress :) |
| 13:38.22 | focus | arokux: put the links and pointers into my notes. thnx. so far progress has been break neck speeds with everyone helping. |
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| 18:04.35 | arokux2 | focus, may I ask you why you decided to go for linaro-based images first? |
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| 18:33.13 | focus_it | arokux2: I went for linaro because i hear more good news about it more often |
| 18:36.17 | arokux2 | focus_it, would be interested to read that kind of news if you happen to have the references, if not, later is fine too |
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| 18:37.19 | focus_it | arokux2: not web news - news from the grape vine |
| 18:37.29 | focus_it | news from coal face |
| 18:48.49 | arokux2 | focus_it, I see, thanks |
| 19:06.13 | focus_it | arukux2: YEEEEHAA!!! EOMA boots from SSD in 20 seconds root=/dev/sda1 and remaking boot.scr worked a treat! :) |
| 19:07.34 | focus_it | arokux2: thanks - now get on with beefing up the distro - any idea how get linaro sources from working bazaar? |
| 19:07.59 | arokux2 | focus_it, congrats! |
| 19:08.15 | arokux2 | focus_it, booting times can be even more with buidroot or the like |
| 19:08.22 | arokux2 | focus_it, less* |
| 19:08.54 | focus_it | understand - from seeing two penguins to booted desktop is 10 seconds |
| 19:09.20 | arokux2 | focus_it, check out my last e-mail, you seem to need only the git repo with a script for building a rootfs |
| 19:09.26 | focus_it | to get to that stage its doing a lot of other things including waiting 3 seconds for uboot key press |
| 19:09.40 | focus_it | ok |
| 19:13.00 | arokux2 | focus_it, may I ask what the ultimate goal of the hardware is? for what kind of product will it be used? |
| 19:13.44 | focus_it | arokux2: the company manufactures electrical test equipment |
| 19:14.14 | arokux2 | focus_it, so for some measurement gadget? |
| 19:14.44 | focus_it | yes - voltage, current, short circuit, insulation and so on |
| 19:15.15 | focus_it | to make sure equipment is safe to use or that electric cables are wired up in new buildings correctly and so on |
| 19:15.34 | focus_it | all kinds of gadgets for measuring electricity |
| 19:15.52 | arokux2 | focus_it, ok. I just miss to see why you should be "beefing up" the distro.. |
| 19:16.01 | keebler | Sounds liike it would benefit from my STM32F Carrier Board. :) |
| 19:17.39 | focus_it | some types of equipment keep asset registers - imagine a big office - you might have 1000 items of electrical gadgets, so you need a full distro to effectively put a PC inside the gadget to manage the assets with all kinds of software |
| 19:18.10 | focus_it | to say when they are due for testing, what type of tests needed etc |
| 19:18.46 | arokux2 | focus_it, ok, for that you'd need a specialized software. was that what you've meant with beefing up? |
| 19:18.53 | focus_it | that would be the high end models, the low end models require nothing more than a screen that looks like a mobile phone and a few buttons and reasoably complex menus |
| 19:19.44 | focus_it | beefing up = gambas3, word processor, spreadsheet, apache server, db, and a few other bits |
| 19:22.04 | arokux2 | focus_it, ah, ok |
| 19:41.36 | arokux2 | focus_it, what are those VGA PCB cards will be used for? |
| 19:43.23 | crazedpsyc | keebler: cool :) is rhombus building the extra battery stuff, PCI for wifi, etc.? or do you know something else? |
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| 20:04.38 | focus_it | arokux2: lkcl knows, me help expand ecosystem |
| 20:23.31 | arokux2 | focus_it, sorry? |
| 20:24.45 | focus_it | aokux2: lkcl wanted vga board |
| 20:27.06 | arokux2 | focus_it, oh, ok |
| 20:52.41 | keebler | crazedpsyc: Yes I know something. :P I'm working on multiple products simultaneously. (In various levels of priorities.) |
| 20:53.07 | crazedpsyc | ah, you really know something |
| 20:56.35 | keebler | This first two right now are Thin Client/Carrier Board, and the MicroEngineering Boards. |
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| 23:02.29 | lkcl_ | focus_it: 20 second boot from SSD, not baaaad |
| 23:03.46 | lkcl_ | focus_it: you can set the u-boot wait time in the boot.scr - it's currently set to 3 seconds. there's no reason why it *has* to be 3 seconds :) |
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| 23:04.26 | lkcl_ | arokux2: just a way to test the RGB/TTL, but also VGA is a potential client opportunity, and low-cost. |
| 23:06.00 | arokux2 | lkcl_, I see |
| 23:10.11 | SPG | lkcl master b780440 rhombus community_ideas/router.mdwn * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=b780440 |
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| 23:29.13 | keebler | lkcl_: Any chance you can ping Diarmund in the head? |
| 23:29.38 | keebler | 3 days and still no response. Spoke to Hirose Connectors, they said they'll have a quote ready for me tomorrow. |
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| 23:30.47 | keebler | My Linaro install boots in 15 seconds installed in the NAND. |
| 23:34.49 | arokux2 | isn't EOMA68-A20 an open source hardware? |
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| 23:43.01 | arokux2 | lkcl_, ^ |
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