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| 12:22.30 | jammi | any idea what's in these? http://www.focalprice.com/CE0453B |
| 12:23.56 | mnemoc | jammi: it tells allwinner a13 in the specs |
| 12:24.18 | mnemoc | and specs are consistent with all a13-based craplets out there |
| 12:24.45 | jammi | yes, I can read that. I was just figuring whether it'll be a usable target as a devboard |
| 12:25.19 | jammi | but I guess I'll see |
| 12:27.32 | mnemoc | jammi: for a devboard the main limitation is the lack of uart |
| 12:27.53 | mnemoc | unless you are very luck to find the pads on the pcb |
| 12:27.56 | mnemoc | lucky* |
| 12:28.12 | mnemoc | if you want an A13 devboard, get olimex's |
| 12:29.10 | jammi | I just essentially want something to tear apart and see what it'll be usable for |
| 12:30.04 | jammi | I have a few devboards, but haven't thought about mobile setups for them |
| 12:31.52 | mnemoc | the A13 is huge, but 2-layer friendly |
| 12:32.12 | mnemoc | perfect for dirt cheap tablets |
| 12:32.36 | mnemoc | also, it only supports old lcd, not lvds neither hdmi |
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| 13:20.41 | jammi | ok |
| 13:24.08 | rm | <jammi> any idea what's in these? http://www.focalprice.com/CE0453B |
| 13:24.09 | rm | noooo |
| 13:24.16 | rm | Battery Type1600mAh |
| 13:24.25 | mnemoc | craplet |
| 13:24.28 | rm | I wondered wtf another model, what's its difference from the Q88 |
| 13:24.34 | rm | and THAT seems to be the difference |
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| 13:26.28 | rm | because usually it's 2000 mAh http://www.aliexpress.com/item/7-Allwinner-A13-gooweel-Q88-tablet-pc-android-4-0-1-2GHz-RAM-DDR3-512MB-ROM/629186005.html |
| 13:26.48 | rm | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Gooweel-7-Allwinner-A13-Q88-tablet-pc-android-4-0-1-2GHz-RAM-DDR3-512MB-ROM/735272696.html |
| 13:27.11 | slapin_nb | mnemoc: A13 is 4-layer friendly, not 2 |
| 13:27.49 | slapin_nb | mnemoc: A10 is 6-8 layers friendly (8 without shortcuts / reliable design) |
| 13:27.50 | mnemoc | i've seen a ton of shops using fancy ipads to run single-crappy-app kiosks where they could have just used one of these A13-based things |
| 13:28.08 | mnemoc | the cubie is 6, olimex does 4 iirc |
| 13:28.47 | slapin_nb | mnemoc: I can't see how can you make A10 on 4 layers |
| 13:28.54 | mnemoc | don't remember who told me you can do a 2-layer A13 board... :-\ |
| 13:28.55 | jammi | yeah, single-purpose quick&dirty graphical terminal apps |
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| 13:29.22 | jammi | but the screen resolutions are quite 1993 |
| 13:29.33 | slapin_nb | mnemoc: you need _at least_ 1 power plane and 1 ground plane |
| 13:29.57 | mnemoc | slapin_nb: at least when tsvetan started with the A10 prototype a year ago he said he was working on 4 lyaers. no idea what he uses now |
| 13:30.35 | mnemoc | slapin_nb: I believe you. I don't know about that stuff. so I trust whatever someone trustable tells me |
| 13:31.03 | slapin_nb | mnemoc: you can have 2 signal layers with A13. A10 is heavy pin count BGA package with fine pitch... you either get many layers or you get into high precision class, the later is more expensive... |
| 13:31.42 | slapin_nb | is going to look at Olimex's module board tonight then decide. |
| 13:32.15 | mnemoc | slapin_nb: BDD was making a A20 sodimm too |
| 13:32.43 | slapin_nb | it is easy enough to draw the board, then to make it you need to sell a few souls and sacrafice a few chicks... |
| 13:33.23 | mnemoc | a nice thing about BDD's module is that they include the AXP, the PHY and an i2c/eeprom |
| 13:33.42 | mnemoc | but no LiPo as with olimex's |
| 13:35.01 | slapin_nb | power is not a problem to be made on base board |
| 13:36.51 | mnemoc | getting the usb0/otg and protections inside the module they also saved a bunch of pins. so they can expose everything in the sodimm 200 |
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| 13:37.03 | slapin_nb | AXP without lipo is stupid decision, as on many sticks. I am DAMN TIRED of soldering wires under QFN chip :(((((((((((((( |
| 13:40.32 | mnemoc | poke them. i guess you can get an a20/2gb kit without much troubles |
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| 21:05.49 | SPG | hno master 258d38a rhombus allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide/A10_USB.mdwn * Move descriptions down to register description sections * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=258d38a |
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| 21:46.43 | SPG | lkcl master cc408f4 rhombus allwinner_a10/news/discussion.html * update discussion * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc408f4 |
| 21:46.43 | SPG | lkcl master bd7bbbc rhombus allwinner_a10/news/discussion.html * Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd7bbbc |
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| 21:55.48 | lkcl | hno: thanks for continuing to maintain that register page |
| 21:56.21 | mnemoc | the git-backend is a killer feature for him :) |
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| 23:15.40 | tzafrir | Is there any point in running xbmc on a mk802 (linux)? if not: any recommended alternative? |
| 23:20.24 | hno | mnemoc, it |
| 23:21.45 | hno | mnemoc, yes, and it's easier to edit & maintain there than in mediawiki, mostly because there is not so many fancy things to get lost in I suppose. |
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