| 00:05.16 | lkcl | naah. |
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| 00:15.54 | lkcl | arm-linux-gnueabihf-ld: BFD (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.22 internal error, aborting at ../../bfd/reloc.c line 6298 in bfd_generic_get_relocated_section_contents |
| 00:15.58 | lkcl | awesome!! |
| 00:17.30 | hno | yes ld is a very nice & stable tool. |
| 00:17.49 | hno | but usually there is hints before it crashes. |
| 00:17.50 | lkcl | make clean... |
| 00:18.12 | lkcl | yeah. compile errors. make clean time. huh. why is ccache.... darn |
| 00:19.35 | lkcl | i think i forgot the make sun4i_defconfig bit, whoops |
| 00:20.00 | lkcl | diff .config .... sun4i_defconfig looked a beeet beeg... :) |
| 00:20.59 | hno | yes, sun4i_defconfig is just the defconfig bits. Not the full config. |
| 00:21.17 | hno | copy .config config-lkcl |
| 00:21.27 | hno | make sun4i_defconfig |
| 00:21.33 | hno | diff .config config-lkcl |
| 00:21.42 | lkcl | ack |
| 00:21.57 | lkcl | oh ok |
| 00:22.00 | lkcl | yes. duh |
| 00:22.43 | hno | be warned that 3.4 sun4i_defconfig seems to have forgot some bits like USB OTG. |
| 00:23.09 | lkcl | hno: loovely |
| 00:23.32 | lkcl | hno: could you drop me a .config somewhere (the one you built that mini system with for example) |
| 00:23.52 | lkcl | or... anything-that-stands-a-chance-of-working-known-good ? :) |
| 00:24.29 | hno | lkcl, you mean this? https://github.com/hno/miniroot/blob/master/src/linux.config |
| 00:24.50 | lkcl | indeed! |
| 00:25.18 | hno | that's missing a bit of other things. But I think you can diff your way to where you want to be. |
| 00:27.23 | hno | night |
| 00:28.05 | lkcl | night |
| 00:28.10 | lkcl | thanks henrik |
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| 11:40.11 | mnemoc | sad to not see chromeOS talks in google io this year... that means I can forget about the dreamed chromebook pixel with exynos5 octa :( |
| 11:40.33 | RaYmAn | that would be pretty nice |
| 11:42.31 | mnemoc | there should be a new android nexus device, but also a new chromebook |
| 11:45.32 | mnemoc | would gladly pay $600 for a "pixel" with exynos 5410... even if it has a pvr crap unit inside |
| 11:50.56 | RaYmAn | yeah - I think the biggest annoyance with samsung arm chromebook is really the screen |
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| 12:41.51 | ssvb | RaYmAn: and the keyboard, and the very limited storage size which is difficult to extend due to a crappy SD card slot... |
| 12:43.46 | ssvb | IMHO samsung arm chromebook is not a very good choice when trying to re-purpose it as a netbook/laptop |
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| 13:20.30 | Guest22510 | sure, you cannot cross compile for arm64 |
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| 13:41.03 | ssvb | Guest22510: who can't? |
| 13:48.15 | Guest22510 | samsung arm chromebook |
| 14:00.17 | ssvb | zumbi: any computer running linux system and having a reasonable amount of RAM can do this, arm chromebook is not an exception |
| 14:00.59 | zumbi | ssvb: yes, you might be right, but it is not very common to need and arm->arm64 CC |
| 14:01.26 | zumbi | does it build it on gentoo? |
| 14:04.13 | ssvb | I have not specifically tried aarch64, but used gentoo crossdev for generating toolchains for various weird architectures |
| 14:05.05 | ssvb | GCC 4.8 should support aarch64, so it probably works |
| 14:05.30 | ssvb | but what kind of hardware are you going to use for testing the resulting binaries? |
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| 14:34.54 | hno | is there any arm64 chips? |
| 14:37.35 | ssvb | hno: presumably zumbi has some use for these binaries, maybe to run in qemu? |
| 14:40.33 | traeak | aarm64 :-p |
| 14:40.37 | traeak | why aarm who knows? |
| 14:40.42 | zumbi | ssvb: there is a fast model provided by ARM |
| 14:40.46 | traeak | aarch64 i guess |
| 14:40.49 | traeak | whatever it is |
| 14:40.56 | zumbi | aarch64 = arm64 (debian) |
| 14:41.10 | traeak | arm64 is definitley what everyone will call it |
| 14:41.38 | zumbi | it is tricky as sometimes you read amd64 instead arm64 |
| 14:41.59 | traeak | aarch64 is pretty lame as well |
| 14:42.04 | traeak | "arch" is generic as theyc ome |
| 14:42.05 | zumbi | hno: and, no, there is no arm64 silicon |
| 14:42.47 | traeak | i want someone to start beating up intel at the high end |
| 14:42.56 | traeak | 4000USD for a processor is out of hand |
| 14:43.56 | mnemoc | hno: there are not-cortex arm64 chips since over a year |
| 14:44.13 | traeak | and as i mentioend before the 3930k is more expensive now than when i bought it 18 months ago |
| 14:44.29 | mnemoc | hno: they were showcased in the same even arm presented cortex-a5x |
| 14:45.23 | traeak | non cortex? do they follow the aarch64 spec or just custom 64bit/ |
| 14:45.56 | mnemoc | "compatible" with the aarch64 spec, but not designed by arm |
| 14:47.59 | traeak | no reason to be a total slave to arm, right? |
| 14:55.45 | slapin_nb | hi, all! |
| 14:55.59 | slapin_nb | have anybody signed NDA with allwinner? |
| 14:56.21 | slapin_nb | or is there any other way to get information from them? |
| 14:56.45 | slapin_nb | I just want to have insight on DDR controller configuration |
| 14:56.51 | slapin_nb | SDRAM it is |
| 14:57.49 | hno | slapin_nb, you don't get DDR controller details even with a NDA. |
| 14:58.06 | hno | have not signed an NDA btw. |
| 15:00.37 | hno | mnemoc, right, found it now. X-Gene from Applied Micro. |
| 15:03.08 | slapin_nb | hno: if I provide chip and schematic details, will they send me the required settings? |
| 15:04.51 | hno | you can always ask. |
| 15:05.08 | slapin_nb | hno: whom should I ask? |
| 15:06.03 | hno | Eva I guess. |
| 15:06.19 | slapin_nb | hno: OK, will do, thanks |
| 15:06.30 | hno | but what makes you think you need special settings? |
| 15:07.03 | hno | are you doing a dual-rank configuration? |
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| 15:18.33 | slapin_nb | hno: I want to run low-end 128M x 8 configuration |
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| 15:19.13 | slapin_nb | hno: and knowing the possiblities, too, won't hurt - I could probably simplify my design knowing what layouts I can use. |
| 15:20.54 | slapin_nb | hno: I want to be flexible - I want to run single-chip 256M x 16 configuration, 2 x 128M x 8 configurations, etc. |
| 15:23.23 | slapin_nb | hno: probably dual-rank, too, as the chips might have different data lengths/placement. |
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| 15:30.05 | slapin_nb | Eva is too fast with answers... |
| 15:32.40 | slapin_nb | she asked of company name, which might sign they won't give the information out that easily... |
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| 16:07.42 | hno | slapin_nb, she is a business & marketing person. But everthing goes via her. |
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| 17:20.17 | mnemoc | damn. they gave away intel-powered "chromebootk pixel"s instead of announcing the exynos5410 variant :( |
| 17:23.07 | traeak | gave away to who? |
| 17:23.32 | traeak | sadly i doubt the exynos chrombook is very useful with a straight linux install |
| 17:23.46 | traeak | not as useful as an intel based one |
| 17:24.15 | traeak | blame that entirely on the stupid ecosystem the SOC creators have built |
| 17:25.18 | ssvb | blames the shitty keyboard, the software is fixable |
| 17:26.17 | traeak | that would explain why the allwinner a10 is fully supported now |
| 17:26.19 | mnemoc | traeak: to google io attendees |
| 17:28.28 | mnemoc | ssvb: I was waiting for cortex-a15 thinkpads until they killed the last model with good keyboard (x220) |
| 17:29.39 | mnemoc | now there is no hope on having laptops with good keyboard anymore |
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| 18:00.27 | traeak | the new keyboard works just fine :-p |
| 18:01.09 | traeak | i wasn't too impressed with the old imb keyboards although my experience with them was some years ago on the x series |
| 18:11.51 | mnemoc | traeak: you mean x230's ? |
| 18:13.05 | mnemoc | my x120e uses the same... and it's not horrible... but I still prefer the old school keyboard (available since the early thinkpad days until the x220) |
| 18:13.59 | traeak | yeah, the x220 and previous, i didn't tink those keyboards were all that great |
| 18:14.07 | mnemoc | anyhow... only the pixel and that apple thing has passed the awful 1366x768 barrier |
| 18:14.27 | mnemoc | and that's becoming a killer for me :( |
| 18:14.28 | traeak | for a 12" screen i'm totally okay with 13x7 |
| 18:14.46 | traeak | on a 17" screen, yeah it's pretty lame |
| 18:15.07 | traeak | but who would buy a laptop with a 17" screen? yuk |
| 18:15.40 | mnemoc | Turl :p |
| 18:16.43 | mnemoc | but <13" at 2560x1700 feels amazing |
| 18:17.18 | mnemoc | but at $1.5k.... meh |
| 18:26.04 | traeak | feels amazing? i guess my eyes must be getting old |
| 18:26.25 | traeak | but hey, if the new stuff forces the price down i'm fine with that |
| 18:27.13 | traeak | i just recall about 7-8 years ago sony had this mini screen thing with a ridiculous resolution and everything was microscopic |
| 18:27.19 | hno | that's damn small pixels. |
| 18:29.26 | jelly-home | the idea is not to have to care about individual pixels |
| 18:29.27 | traeak | sony vaio ux180p 4.5" screen 1024x600 |
| 18:29.46 | traeak | that was pretty absurd with a default windows install on it |
| 18:53.54 | hno | jelly-home, I know, but a lot of software still don't know about size just pixels.. and it's stupid. |
| 18:54.54 | jelly-home | it's a bit sad, considering XFree86 knew about dpi like 15-20 years ago |
| 18:55.37 | hno | a bit? |
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| 19:49.12 | SPG | lkcl master e5d88ef rhombus allwinner_a10/boot.mdwn community_ideas/kde_tablet/news/1st_rev_pcb.png * add 1st rev squirrel pcb photo * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5d88ef |
| 19:51.48 | mnemoc | http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/news/1st_rev_pcb.png .... nice! |
| 19:51.54 | lkcl | yeah! |
| 19:52.00 | lkcl | just doing a brief write-up |
| 19:53.37 | lkcl | this is actually going to be an awesome cool tablet. 2 MicroSD cards, 2 USB-OTGs, Micro-HDMI, replaceable WIFI, software-programmable on-board controller for doing "weird shit" |
| 19:55.12 | mnemoc | and from there to the engineering board? |
| 19:55.20 | lkcl | yes. |
| 19:55.36 | lkcl | i've asked someone if they can do the micro-engineering board (just for headers) |
| 19:56.02 | mnemoc | is not a fan of tablets .oO(while watching a google io session on his nexus 7)o |
| 19:56.12 | lkcl | yeah me neither |
| 19:56.24 | lkcl | and this one's in bits with no case :) |
| 20:00.46 | SPG | lkcl master 47b3098 rhombus community_ideas/kde_tablet/news.html * flying squirrel news * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=47b3098 |
| 20:03.45 | lkcl | hno: w00t! compiled kernel uploaded, works. repro case success |
| 20:19.29 | lkcl | yippee, logged in to self-built kernel.... |
| 20:19.46 | lkcl | next bit: boot off of microsd card.... |
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| 20:49.34 | slapin_nb | mnemoc: what is google io everyone talks about? |
| 20:49.44 | slapin_nb | ah, whatever |
| 20:49.52 | slapin_nb | falls asleep |
| 20:53.00 | mnemoc | slapin_nb: a yearly event where G shows their new "awesome" stuff |
| 20:53.24 | mnemoc | with some nice tech talks broadcasted |
| 20:54.14 | mnemoc | and they also give away hardware |
| 20:57.24 | lkcl | root@debian:~# lsmod |
| 20:57.24 | lkcl | Module Size Used by |
| 20:57.24 | lkcl | g_serial 41631 2 |
| 20:57.24 | lkcl | root@debian:~# |
| 20:57.34 | lkcl | yippeee! |
| 20:58.00 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:58.15 | mnemoc | works? |
| 20:58.18 | lkcl | yyep. |
| 20:58.21 | lkcl | now let's try usbnet |
| 20:58.24 | lkcl | g_ether |
| 20:58.42 | mnemoc | usb gadget is awesome |
| 20:58.51 | lkcl | yeh |
| 20:59.21 | lkcl | mwahaahhhaaaaah |
| 20:59.40 | lkcl | mnemoc: do you know the modules order for getting hdmi up and running? |
| 20:59.52 | lkcl | does this look sensible? https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/issues/113 |
| 20:59.58 | lkcl | i'll try that next |
| 21:00.52 | mnemoc | people usually has those built-in these days |
| 21:00.59 | lkcl | ok |
| 21:01.11 | mnemoc | helps to get fbcon sooner ;-) |
| 21:01.16 | lkcl | ack |
| 21:01.47 | lkcl | where am i.... what's next... |
| 21:01.56 | lkcl | errrr |
| 21:02.03 | lkcl | yes. usbnet. |
| 21:02.28 | lkcl | hmmm, why the heck would it say "could not insert g_ether no such device??" |
| 21:02.36 | lkcl | i realise i've got g_serial loaded... |
| 21:02.40 | lkcl | ah well, reboot and see :) |
| 21:03.52 | lkcl | oooo neeeet.... |
| 21:04.28 | lkcl | fuck me it worked |
| 21:40.36 | traeak | no thanks |
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| 22:06.49 | hno | lkcl, I rather not fuck you but very glad it worked. |
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| 22:08.07 | hno | and seems I have to do some workarounds in the default u-boot boot command script.. the hush shell in u-boot is broken and fails in quite unexpected (but consistent) manner. |
| 22:08.39 | hno | this affects the automatic selection of the right root device, including when you try to specify root= in uEnv.txt. |
| 22:11.36 | hno | or actually the automatic one works, but fails if you try to set "root=/dev/mmcblk2 rootwait" in uEnv.txt (or the saved environment). |
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