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| 11:49.29 | calris | Hey all - long time no see :) |
| 11:51.16 | calris | Does anyone know of a cheap ARM board with at least 1GB SDRAM and more grunt that A10? |
| 11:53.41 | calris | I like the look of the ODOID-X2, but their shipping costs are hideous |
| 11:53.57 | calris | ODROID-X2 |
| 11:57.00 | rm | calris, build a computing cluster of two A10 :) |
| 12:00.16 | calris | Just want a decent desktop board - I have n A10, but it really lacks true grunt |
| 12:05.33 | jelly-home | I'm not sure amr dev boards are the most cost-effective platform to set up for desktop usage |
| 12:05.36 | jelly-home | arm* |
| 12:07.20 | calris | Well you can getthem for $100-$200. Heaps cheaper than any x86 alternative |
| 12:07.30 | calris | And smaller, cooler, quite, etc. |
| 12:07.59 | jelly-home | still, I want my desktop to have 4GB+, SATA and flawless graphics |
| 12:08.54 | jelly-home | switches the monitor over to cubie's unaccelerated framebuffer, shakes head slowly, switches back |
| 12:12.04 | calris | All my heavy lifting is n my file server |
| 12:12.16 | calris | I just need a good gfx front end |
| 12:12.30 | jelly-home | where does your browser and media player run? |
| 12:13.43 | jelly-home | I guess I could split my load to 3 cubies if I did it very carefully, then wait/work on making GLES work well enough to run kwin_gles on one of them |
| 12:13.54 | bfree | wandboard? wait for an A20 from cubie/olimex? gk802/hi802? and you can get a lot more in an x86 board/cpu/ram for $100 so "heaps cheaper" is a wild exageration (especially when you declare an A10 doesn't have enough grunt) |
| 12:15.10 | jelly-home | $200 should be enough for a half-decent low-power htpc board, or a whole core2duo secondhand system; just add RAM |
| 12:17.07 | calris | Most cheap x86 boxes still have fans :( |
| 12:19.53 | calris | Not using it for media - mainly browsing, email, open-office and code editing |
| 12:20.06 | calris | Compiling will happen on the server |
| 12:20.49 | calris | I'm almost tempted to beef up the server and just run a remote X session :) |
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| 12:24.44 | bfree | calris: x86 (AMD Fusion APU C-60 (1.0GHz, dual core)), no fan, mini-itx, $80+ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131843 |
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| 12:30.25 | calris | bfree: yeah I've seen these but I would like something small. The ODROID-U2 looks awesome but not enough USB ports and the shipping costs suck |
| 12:30.59 | calris | X2 ticks all the boxes, but again, shipping :( |
| 12:31.05 | bfree | calris: and it wants a fan |
| 12:33.29 | calris | bfree: only if you over clock |
| 12:36.14 | jelly-home | oh that looks excellent for a NAS, 6 sata ports |
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| 12:50.09 | bfree | calris: o-droid fan: "This cooling fan is useful for who needs the full throttled Quad-core performance and over-clocking." ... you want it just to let it run full speed on all cores for any length of time ... you want smaller than mini-itx? Intel NUC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102004 (pretty sure it's fanless) |
| 12:58.37 | calris | $165 plus ram plus shipping... X2 would be cheaper |
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| 14:46.07 | rm | calris, gk802/hi802 <- that |
| 14:47.01 | rm | quad core stick for around $90 |
| 14:47.54 | rm | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fresscale-i-MX6-Quad-Core-Zealz-GK802-Mini-PC-Android-4-0-TV-Box-Cortex-A9/716837578.html |
| 14:48.41 | rm | http://www.cnx-software.com/tag/gk802/ |
| 14:49.03 | rm | there seems to be complete FOSS support including video and 3D acceleration |
| 14:50.25 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 14:55.25 | jelly-home | if that is metal, it might not even overheat much |
| 14:55.38 | jelly-home | body* |
| 14:57.19 | rm | mnemoc, so you it missed when I found it for $70? :) http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/03/26/zealz-gk802-is-temporarly-available-for-69-99-on-geekbuying/ |
| 14:58.10 | rm | and ok, probably not "complete FOSS support" |
| 14:58.51 | rm | don't quote me on that all is mentioned everywhere is that "it works, but still work in progress" |
| 14:59.38 | rm | s/that all/that, what's/ |
| 15:00.05 | rm | s/what's/what/ |
| 15:00.12 | rm | :D can't do multiple corrections! |
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| 15:17.04 | jelly-home | thanks rm for the tip... or should he chide him for having him spent $70 on a i.MX6 stick? |
| 15:18.01 | rm | ha |
| 15:18.11 | rm | amazingly enough, the coupon still works |
| 15:18.22 | jelly-home | indeed, just tested |
| 15:18.32 | rm | almost 1.5 months later |
| 15:19.12 | rm | mine will be here probably in 7-10 days |
| 15:19.28 | rm | such are the shipping times of russian post currently |
| 15:19.35 | rm | almost 2 months |
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| 15:29.32 | jelly-home | o.o |
| 15:30.04 | jelly-home | I heard italian is bad, maybe worse; most ebay vendors don't even ship there |
| 15:33.59 | mnemoc | italian post is the worst |
| 15:34.59 | jelly-home | how the f...lamingos do they manage that level of incompetence with getting all fired |
| 15:42.36 | mripard_ | mnemoc: since it should be operated by italian drivers, it makes sense :) |
| 15:44.30 | rm | the italy's problems are more severe afaik, it's related to packages not arriving at all |
| 15:44.37 | rm | either due to customs or theft |
| 15:44.50 | rm | in russia it's generally very reliable |
| 15:45.47 | rm | slow, also a package can arrvie battered in various ways (sat on/stood upon/thrown into) |
| 15:45.51 | rm | but it will arrive :) |
| 15:46.38 | mnemoc | rm: yes, packages simply "vanish" |
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| 18:13.42 | L84Supper | http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-blogs/other/4413656/London-Calling-Did-Allwinner-outsell-Intel-Qualcomm |
| 18:17.27 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 18:47.10 | rm | <3 Allwinner :) |
| 18:47.36 | rm | and dammit, not even any good comment on the slashdot story to mod up |
| 18:47.43 | rm | something mentioning the Cubieboard maybe |
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| 20:47.58 | traeak | http://liliputing.com/2013/05/tablets-emerge-with-infotmic-low-cost-dual-core-chips.html |
| 20:48.20 | traeak | says the 7" ips tablets selling for 35USD in china? dual cortex-a5 mali 400 |
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| 20:50.26 | Undertasker | Anybody here that already has a wandboard? |
| 20:53.31 | traeak | oh well, yet another processor with probably a bunch of proprietary crap |
| 20:54.11 | traeak | iCube does interest me the most at this time, if they ever get anything selling |
| 20:54.48 | Undertasker | Well, i.mx6 seems to be the most open part at this time. |
| 20:55.27 | Undertasker | And their datasheets are about 1000times bigger than Allwinner's |
| 20:55.44 | traeak | not sure about cost though |
| 20:56.05 | traeak | anyways, my personal desires is to go 64bit |
| 20:56.34 | traeak | mostly because i'm too lazy to make our current code base 32bit safe |
| 20:57.05 | traeak | which also tanks the threading |
| 20:57.52 | Undertasker | Not sure if small Android/Linux devices will benefit from 64bit |
| 21:06.22 | rm | "dual" is nothing special if the CPU overall is crappy |
| 21:06.30 | rm | two crappy slow A5 cores ..yay |
| 21:06.31 | traeak | probably not so much, i just don't like to have to look over my shoulder about blowing out virtual address space |
| 21:06.50 | rm | but can advertise it as dual core, which is probably what matters most |
| 21:07.26 | rm | and $35 locally sounds realistic, seeing how A13 tablets sell _with worldwide shipping included_ for $50 |
| 21:08.33 | traeak | i'm sure the bus, etc has something to do with how well it performs as well |
| 21:09.13 | traeak | like rightnow i'mprocessing a 200 image block and using almost 6GB ram |
| 21:14.34 | Undertasker | BTW: On dual core Arms, would it be possible to use only one core for the OS, and the other one for realtime bare metal code? |
| 21:18.07 | traeak | depends on the scheduler, etc |
| 21:18.12 | traeak | really though |
| 21:18.27 | traeak | libc makes calls into kernel space anyways |
| 21:19.35 | traeak | and the linux scheduler is pretty good about keeping a process on one cpu in general |
| 21:20.06 | traeak | and smart enough to even spread them out wrt hyperthreading as well (not relevant for arm) |
| 21:20.52 | Undertasker | I'm more thinking of leaving one core completely alone, out of the reach of linux, and running independent code on it. |
| 21:22.17 | Undertasker | maybe wit a small rt os. |
| 21:22.55 | Undertasker | So that the 2nd core would act like an independent microcontroller |
| 21:23.08 | specing | Undertasker: get a TI and you'll get PRUs |
| 21:23.53 | specing | those units are meant for that |
| 21:24.43 | Undertasker | Should also work with an A20, or? |
| 21:26.32 | Undertasker | Sure, I could also use just a small micro for the rt stuff, like an M0 or M3, ar an AVR. |
| 21:26.57 | Undertasker | But the interesting thing is to use off the shelf cheap hardware for that |
| 21:28.13 | Undertasker | I could also use an industrial/automotive TI ARm with nHET's. But where's the fun with that? |
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| 22:46.57 | L84Supper | beaglebone blacks are what $45 with a power supply? the am3359's are ~$14 in China |
| 23:03.45 | L84Supper | TI says that they are subsidizing the beaglebone blacks to get the cost down to $45, but the am3350's only costs them a few $$ to make |