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| 15:01.37 | Turl | lkcl: what's all these rants about dt on the mailing list? :) |
| 15:06.16 | Turl | lkcl: when you consider uboot as the equivalent of BIOS and DT as the equivalent of ACPI, a "one size fits all" is quite possible |
| 15:35.13 | lkcl | Turl: oh... you've gone :) |
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| 15:49.47 | penguin42 | lkcl: Sparc has had dt for 20 years - I think it might have been the first; it's basically a forth tree |
| 15:49.57 | penguin42 | lkcl: But then it does have executable forth in the tree |
| 15:52.18 | penguin42 | lkcl: Have you ever used a SPARCStation ? |
| 15:53.28 | traeak | hehe |
| 15:53.31 | lkcl | penguin42: i had one - i booted it up, went "mmm.... 128mb RAM.... naah" |
| 15:53.39 | traeak | all the sparcs i used were dogcrap slow |
| 15:53.56 | traeak | ever since the 486DX was released sun hardware has been slower than PC hardware |
| 15:54.14 | traeak | i know because my prof had a sparc 10 and i was working on a 486dx-25 |
| 15:54.16 | penguin42 | lkcl: OK, try it sometime and notice how dog slow the console is; that's because the kernel to render text on the console calls into forth routines linked through the dt |
| 15:54.26 | lkcl | we had sparcs at imperial college. *shock horror* 12mb of RAM! all of them NFS booted onto one machine that had *shock horror* 24mbytes of RAM! |
| 15:54.28 | traeak | and i worked on sparcs until about 2000 or so |
| 15:54.45 | traeak | the US govt has deep pockets |
| 15:54.47 | traeak | or used to |
| 15:54.48 | penguin42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.13 | traeak | my 486dx-25 ran circles around his sparc10 doing simulations |
| 15:55.15 | penguin42 | lkcl: When I started at Uni we had Sun3's (68020) and a lab full of them all running with 4MB RAM off one server via 10base-t (single ring) |
| 15:55.21 | penguin42 | </yorkshire man sketch> |
| 15:55.23 | traeak | Electrical engineering stuff |
| 15:55.55 | traeak | his sparc10 was brand spanking new at the time too :-p |
| 15:57.15 | penguin42 | traeak: Yeh, the one advantage they had at the time was that you could get them loaded with a lot of RAM for the time and multiple CPUs that at the time you couldn't get in PCs; I remember using HP-PA boxes with 4GB or more of RAM before Opteron had come out |
| 15:57.17 | traeak | i was behind an effort to replace teh sun stuff with x86 linux ~1998 |
| 15:57.46 | traeak | that effort had the end effect of massively pushing the prices down on the sun stuff |
| 15:58.50 | traeak | penguin42: likely true, i don't recall how much ram our stuff needed at the time...the sun keyboards caused me wrist pain. |
| 15:59.06 | penguin42 | ah type5's - I liked the type 4's |
| 16:15.45 | traeak | thankfully i hit a company pushing the limits on linux in 2000 |
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| 16:17.51 | penguin42 | thinks back - yeh that was about the time we were using the big HPs, because the lack of Opteron and cad software meant we couldn't run them on PCs |
| 16:26.59 | traeak | sure, HP and SGIs started appearing at work ~99 or so |
| 16:28.06 | penguin42 | there were guys doing full chip extracts - needed the RAM |
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| 17:00.33 | traeak | opteron put the nail in the coffin wrt hp, sun, sgi hardware |
| 17:05.31 | penguin42 | yeh, took a bit of a while to kill them off |
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| 19:24.34 | Turl|cloud | lkcl: ping |
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| 22:20.21 | lkcl | http://www.c2mtl.com/eye50/ideas/the-rhombus-tech-eoma-68-initiative/ |
| 22:20.50 | lkcl | could people please click on that and do the usual social network dance? tell friends as well, generally get it out to a few degrees. |
| 22:29.10 | Undertasker | Yawn. |
| 22:29.44 | Undertasker | A reliable, durable connector for that costs more than the actual processor board |
| 22:31.25 | Undertasker | We now all have smartphones with more computing power than our last generation laptops had. But nevertheless nobody buys lapdocks for them |
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| 22:54.25 | lkcl | oh good, he's left. |
| 22:57.18 | traeak | hehe, i'm afraid he sort of misses the point |
| 23:02.58 | lkcl | utterly :) |
| 23:03.24 | lkcl | such people are useful as a way to test the boundaries though. if you can convince them, you can convince anybody |
| 23:03.48 | lkcl | and he has a point: reliability of the PCMCIA connectors is going to be critical. |
| 23:04.08 | lkcl | luckily, PCMCIA was designed as a robust durable reliable mass-volume assembly, eh? |
| 23:04.12 | lkcl | :) |
| 23:05.03 | lkcl | traeak: anyway - please get on that site and click the widgety-social-networky buttons! |
| 23:05.14 | lkcl | please. there, i asked nicely |
| 23:07.56 | traeak | thanks :-p |
| 23:08.02 | traeak | post on reddit? |
| 23:10.24 | lkcl | yeah go for it! |
| 23:10.54 | traeak | there ya go :-p |
| 23:11.11 | lkcl | main thing is to get the numbers up on the social media "thing" - the judges for the competition will be using that as a measure of "success" of the idea. |
| 23:11.13 | lkcl | taaaaa |
| 23:11.38 | traeak | hehe |
| 23:12.37 | lkcl | yikes things move fast on reddit. |
| 23:13.55 | lkcl | the one i can't do [because i don't agree to google's account policy] is get it onto google+ |
| 23:14.26 | traeak | hmm |
| 23:14.37 | traeak | i'm not even sure i don't have |
| 23:14.59 | lkcl | yeah. i think my mum signed up by mistake :) |
| 23:16.52 | traeak | hehe |
| 23:17.04 | traeak | most social media i'm not involved with |
| 23:17.31 | traeak | twitter is monstrousity, i have a facebook account but avoid it and have only family and no one i know who knows tech |
| 23:18.02 | lkcl | yeah funny that. techies tend not to be - me included. definition of irony: techies are averse to one of the most profound uses of technology that connects people.... |
| 23:18.18 | lkcl | .... whether they like it or not. hmmm, i think i answered the question :) |
| 23:18.24 | lkcl | argh it's 00:18 |
| 23:18.29 | lkcl | time to go. |
| 23:18.35 | traeak | yup |
| 23:18.45 | traeak | yeah we suck at advertising |
| 23:18.59 | traeak | and building markets |
| 23:20.26 | lkcl | *grin*. |
| 23:20.38 | lkcl | till tomorrow, traeak |