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| 06:58.26 | hp__ | projectgus: :) |
| 07:20.19 | projectgus | hp__: ... and ordered |
| 07:20.30 | projectgus | it's weird the $20 only comes off each order, but you can apply it to multiple orders |
| 07:20.50 | hp__ | projectgus: hehe |
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| 10:56.05 | PoWeRKiLL | Hi |
| 10:56.47 | PoWeRKiLL | I'm looking for help on building linux kernel 3.0.8 for tcc8925 any help ? |
| 11:00.00 | PoWeRKiLL | Turl you there ? |
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| 12:48.40 | lkcl | PoWeRKiLL: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/18/building-linux-kernel-3-0-8-for-telechips-tcc8925-mini-pcs-cx-01-z900-tizzbird-n1/ |
| 12:52.27 | SPG | lkcl master 63b8f07 rhombus telechips/tcc8925.mdwn * links to tcc8925 dev boards * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=63b8f07 |
| 12:52.27 | SPG | lkcl master 6d13770 rhombus * Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d13770 |
| 12:53.46 | SPG | lkcl master a7edeb7 rhombus telechips/tcc8925.mdwn * add tcc8925 speed * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7edeb7 |
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| 13:28.11 | PoWeRKiLL | lkcl I manage to compile it now I wish to integrate it on XBMC linux from pivos do you know how to do that ? |
| 13:29.08 | PoWeRKiLL | https://github.com/Pivosgroup I think it's that but I'm not sure https://github.com/Pivosgroup/buildroot-linux |
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| 13:50.55 | lkcl | PoWeRKiLL: awesome. well done. naah. i don't have a tcc8925 system. |
| 13:51.05 | lkcl | you'll work it out :) |
| 13:51.28 | PoWeRKiLL | lklc I can give you access to something maybe ? |
| 13:52.21 | PoWeRKiLL | what can I do with the linux 3.0.8 image now that it's compiled how to install it on the stick ? |
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| 14:02.03 | lkcl | PoWeRKiLL: you'll need to find some firmware upgrade instructions on a random forum and adapt them |
| 14:02.05 | lkcl | let's see.... |
| 14:02.25 | PoWeRKiLL | lklc I found some but for android |
| 14:03.06 | lkcl | PoWeRKiLL: ok, here you go - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2105279 |
| 14:03.26 | lkcl | PoWeRKiLL: well that's not a problem. start with a chroot environment and go from there. |
| 14:03.27 | PoWeRKiLL | I contribute to this thread :D |
| 14:03.38 | lkcl | i did this for an exynos 4412 recently |
| 14:03.48 | lkcl | http://lkcl.net/reports/odroid-u2.html |
| 14:04.12 | lkcl | so it's a multi-phase process |
| 14:04.51 | lkcl | if they can boot from MicroSD you *should* be able to pick that apart |
| 14:04.58 | lkcl | and find out what's going on. |
| 14:05.07 | lkcl | boot from MicroSD equals "boot anything" |
| 14:05.25 | lkcl | you *don't* have to run their crap. |
| 14:05.44 | PoWeRKiLL | Wow it's cool but how can I test if it's boot from sd as it should ? |
| 14:05.52 | lkcl | unpack and mount the initrd (using losetup if necessary) and examine it. |
| 14:06.16 | lkcl | you should then have a clear idea of how to create your own initrd that will do "more standard linuxy things" |
| 14:06.26 | lkcl | that's if they're using an initrd that is |
| 14:06.33 | lkcl | basically you need to investigate |
| 14:06.58 | lkcl | Download it from here ftp://ftp.lechpol.pl/Products/Cabletech/frimware1.1/ |
| 14:06.58 | lkcl | copy to a micro sd card and launch the install from the setting about upgrade |
| 14:07.09 | lkcl | frimware *lol* |
| 14:07.22 | PoWeRKiLL | I got it and already open it |
| 14:07.24 | lkcl | so mount that using losetup |
| 14:07.26 | lkcl | yep. |
| 14:07.42 | lkcl | ok so see what it's got, poke around and you should be sorted. |
| 14:07.53 | lkcl | does it have a boot.scr? |
| 14:08.21 | lkcl | if so it'll be using a stock u-boot that loads boot.scr and you can adapt that file |
| 14:08.23 | lkcl | etc. etc. |
| 14:08.28 | lkcl | so you just have to poke around |
| 14:08.30 | lkcl | ok? |
| 14:08.34 | PoWeRKiLL | I open the boot.img here is the content http://pastebin.com/gRP4k6x1 |
| 14:09.59 | PoWeRKiLL | lklc I already used the 1.1 update.zip firmware the thing is that as soon as I change soemthing in the zip I'm not able to upgrade anymore |
| 14:10.13 | PoWeRKiLL | I got the android logo with the open heart in red |
| 14:15.15 | lkcl | ok - the init program. replace that with anything-you-like. |
| 14:15.40 | lkcl | but, first i suggest you get a chroot environment set up (in /data) |
| 14:16.24 | lkcl | then you can replace init on the sdcard with a program which does a pivot_root |
| 14:16.27 | lkcl | etc. etc. |
| 14:16.48 | lkcl | you'll get there :) |
| 14:17.44 | lkcl | http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/coby-generation-3-development/50425-root-gapps-telechips-7032-7034-7036-7048-8048-a.html |
| 14:17.54 | lkcl | hmmm, it looks like the fuckers have signed it. |
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| 14:52.56 | PoWeRKiLL | Ok I'm trying I setup the chroot and debootstrap debian |
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| 15:12.37 | penguin42 | lkcl: So, do you want some $ yet for A10 cards? |
| 15:13.16 | WarheadsSE | a10 cards? EOMA's? |
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| 16:27.25 | penguin42 | nod |
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| 17:01.58 | lkcl | penguin42: if it's a 10k order, yes! |
| 17:02.11 | lkcl | i need to find a factory willing to do smaller runs for people |
| 17:03.51 | lkcl | what we really need is someone we can trust who will pay us a percentage of their profits, who is willing to front an online retail store |
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| 17:25.20 | penguin42 | lkcl: amazon? |
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| 17:30.40 | penguin42 | still need to get the capital to produce the 10k order |
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| 17:49.11 | Yaku321 | hmm- i read that libstatefright isn´t supported by the a10, but it´s a forumpost without reference why |
| 18:01.39 | lkcl | penguin42: or find a factory happy to do a smaller run. i think we need to do some smaller runs first anyway |
| 18:01.58 | lkcl | say 100 to 500 units, see how it goes |
| 18:02.08 | lkcl | that'll give us the confidence that the board's ok |
| 18:02.14 | lkcl | we'll get there :) |
| 18:06.11 | penguin42 | yeh, doing 10k and then finding you screwed something upwouldn't be good |
| 18:12.01 | lkcl | :) |
| 18:19.01 | Turl | interesting concept http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/435742530/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board |
| 18:20.09 | Turl | Yaku321: no omx support (yet?) |
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| 18:29.18 | lkcl | Turl: interesting |
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| 18:57.37 | jm_ | hey lckl, the factory that made this board http://www.gplsquared.com/SoM2/SoM2.html#11April2013 is more than happy to make you 100. BOM + 15% to 25% normally. They are not aggressive or possesive. They are two companies into one - one electronics, other software, and between them there isn't anything they can't handle. They are in Guanzhou not far from Shenzhen, so the BOM can be Shenzhen prices. |
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| 19:01.00 | fous_it | I am still waiting for that board to arrive from CN. Next week I should get it. |
| 19:02.23 | fous_it | They got subcontractors who can make 10K boards in about 3 to 4 days if things get busy. |
| 19:05.16 | fous_it | They have got massive factory space to do the packaging and fulfilment. Just need an online store like ebay, aliexpress or amazon. By shipping from CN the postage is a lot cheaper as well. |
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| 19:08.27 | fous_it | lkcl: one thing I was not clear is whether the PCB is gpl'd or whether it now belongs to wits. I know you mentioned PADs, can that be exported to something that KiCAD read - save me an awesome amount of work it can be done. |
| 19:16.00 | lkcl | fous_it: the copyright situation is not clear. it's definitely copyright QiMod, and definitely copyright Wits Tech. plus, some of the boards i've used parts from e.g. Boundary Devices. |
| 19:16.18 | lkcl | so it's a mixture - but you should *not* really use them without permission |
| 19:16.32 | lkcl | especially not for commercial ventures |
| 19:16.47 | lkcl | PADS is ascii-formatted. |
| 19:16.55 | lkcl | you can write your own converter. |
| 19:17.10 | lkcl | someone has done a [proprietary] eagle-PADS converter |
| 19:17.58 | lkcl | we will get to GPL situation later, once we have sufficient funds to be able to do "from-scratch" complete and total designs |
| 19:18.02 | lkcl | based on nobody else's work |
| 19:18.29 | lkcl | right now the focus is "get it done, get money, get 2ndary goals completed" |
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| 19:20.16 | focus_it | lkcl: that be why board http://www.gplsquared.com/SoM2/SoM2.html#11April2013 is gpl'd :) |
| 19:21.17 | focus_it | although slower to start and hampered by $ work, there are 3 other independents working with it to push the envelope |
| 19:21.52 | focus_it | just a bit sorry I can force march the project |
| 19:23.26 | focus_it | I mean I can't force march project. The $ one I am is showing success and that keeps me further away from this project of all things! |
| 19:26.18 | focus_it | Assuming the design company Qi and Wits are willing to give out their gerber, would you like my factory to make say 10 to 20 boards. Personally I don't mind funding it but a real production run will have to be funded properly - e.g. an indiegogo or kickstarter type of thing |
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| 19:26.42 | focus_it | At least then you got a few boards to play with. |
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| 19:36.56 | focus_it | lkcl: I noticed slash dot got a lot of strong nay sayers now. those trolls are could never possibly use the eoma, but speak as though they know better. Its total ignorance of what eoma project has achieved and trying to achieve which commercial companies have not yet achieved - interchangeable CPU boards and open designs. |
| 19:40.56 | focus_it | I think the world is desperate for these devices - last week alone I clocked up 3Gb of transfers from about 1500 users, and the project has hardly got off to a start yet e.g. the web site isn't even open yet, so its all travelling by word and mouth. |
| 19:43.33 | focus_it | lkcl: If you do manage to get fully open sourced boards released, I think every EE department will be wanting one for their strong microprocessor engineers to complete their studies with a fully working SoC tablet or laptop design before they leave. It practically guarantees them a job! :) |
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| 19:54.39 | L84Supper | focus_it: it's more a combination of his arrogance, disabilities, lack of expertise and attitude that turn people off, if you read the comments on slashdot |
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| 19:57.35 | focus_it | L84Supper: I've learned a long time ago genius is wrapped in a package, even if its their own testacles :) |
| 19:58.25 | focus_it | We can always cherry pick the bits we need and turn a blind eye to the rest. |
| 20:00.02 | L84Supper | people also tend to look for others to surround themselves with similar beliefs |
| 20:00.49 | L84Supper | beliefs vs facts |
| 20:02.40 | focus_it | I know one guy who is honest and honourable in just about everything. But if a suitcase full of money is involved, then it will always magically disappear and you be offered a big smile and a perfectly reasonable explanation. :) |
| 20:03.08 | focus_it | But there are still ways to manage such a resource. |
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| 20:56.56 | lkcl | focus: the reason why that gpl-squared board exists is because i started a KiCAD PCB and EOMA-68 schematics as AGPLv3 18 months ago, releasing it here: http://git.rhombus-tech.net/?p=eoma.git;a=tree;f=pcb/allwinner_a10/pcmcia |
| 20:58.46 | lkcl | L84Supper: well, i'm getting things done. arrogance is the combination of "ignorance" and "ego". that's the definition. |
| 20:59.14 | lkcl | L84Supper: i never claimed i had all the answers, and unfortunately "ambition" is often confused with "ego". |
| 20:59.31 | lkcl | so, your accusation - and it is an accusation - that i am "arrogant" is completely wrong. |
| 20:59.44 | lkcl | but, you may believe whatever you wish to believe. |
| 21:00.16 | lkcl | you do whatever you want to do, and i'll keep on learning from mistakes and repeat until success, ok? |
| 21:01.45 | lkcl | focus_it: money just empowers people to be "more of themselves". so a good person with money will just be "a more influential good person". |
| 21:02.30 | lkcl | a miserable fucker with money will just be "someone who fucks with more people's minds than they were able to when they were poor". |
| 21:04.12 | lkcl | so it's when people become truly wealthy that you find out their true nature. did they spend it on themselves? did they spend it on making other people happy or did they spend it on making other people *UN*happy. |
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| 21:16.09 | focus_it | lkcl: the only reason I can do my board at all is because of all things you did give to me. So these slash dot trolls can go fsck themselves if they don't really understand what they are talking about :) |
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| 21:19.23 | focus_it | before finding this groups and the likes of mnemoc and many others, my original project was washed up because wits had done the almighty to me, and broke credibility with my boss after spending lots of money on them |
| 21:20.33 | focus_it | none of the stuff they do is open sourced properly and there is no way to make your own stuff because so much information is missing |
| 21:21.42 | focus_it | So more than anything arm-netbook has brought everything together to finally get over this hurdle and make everything work without NDAs as it should be - more business to everyone!! |
| 21:28.33 | focus_it | lkcl: just ignore the trolls - battening down the hatches and getting the work done and releasing the stuff is all that matters - at least to me. Everything else is just a distraction. |
| 21:32.42 | focus_it | After reading the comments in slash dot, the only thing I could not work out is what they wanted in plain English after all that whining!! :) The dumb trolls forgot to mention it!! :) |
| 21:33.47 | focus_it | Just ignore whinies that don't know what they want! :) |
| 21:41.24 | focus_it | As for money - I'm lucky enough to fund GPL projects and not want anything back in return. A suitcase full of money sitting on my table won't even make me blink. However if there were an EOMA sitting on my desk right now, that would have my full attention!!! :) |
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| 22:22.38 | OmegaPhil | Sounds good. |
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| 23:28.38 | lkcl | OmegaPhil: yeah. good advice from focus_it i think. |
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