| 00:13.13 | penguin42 | huh, they've had OpenCL going on the i.mx6 |
| 00:14.19 | lkcl__ | penguin42: yeah! 16GFLOPS, too. |
| 00:14.32 | penguin42 | that ain't bad going I guess |
| 00:14.53 | lkcl__ | for a 1, 1.5 watt processor? mmm... yeah, i'd say so :) |
| 00:15.08 | penguin42 | now how many of those can you squash on a board |
| 00:15.45 | lkcl__ | yeah exactly. well, the GK802 shows us you can get them into a veeery small space |
| 00:18.21 | penguin42 | hmm those are SP though |
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| 00:19.44 | penguin42 | lkcl: Do you have the PCIe from the i.MX6 coming out anywhere? |
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| 00:42.05 | lkcl | penguin42: not a chance. there's quite literally no space for it. |
| 00:43.18 | penguin42 | bah |
| 00:43.55 | lkcl | i cut power to the PCIe in order to save on components. if you look at sabre_lite_revD.pdf |
| 00:44.15 | lkcl | you'll see that there's *twenty one* components needed to support the power and signals for PCIe |
| 00:44.35 | penguin42 | ouch |
| 00:45.16 | lkcl | mostly those are capacitors - 4 on the 1.2v line |
| 00:45.23 | penguin42 | nod |
| 00:45.45 | lkcl | 4 on the 1.2v VPTX line (whatever that is) |
| 00:45.50 | lkcl | 4 on the 2.5V |
| 00:46.18 | lkcl | then there's a 47uF capacitor (those are huge monsters) |
| 00:46.43 | lkcl | http://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/iMX6/sabre_lite-revD.pdf - page 3 |
| 00:46.56 | lkcl | ... where would i put the bloody things? :) |
| 00:46.56 | buZz | wtf, imx6 has a PCIe interface? :OOO |
| 00:47.39 | lkcl | buZz: yep. i believe it's only x1 |
| 00:48.56 | lkcl | it'd only need a 5-pin connector... but there's no room on the imx6 eoma68 pcb for a 5 pin connector |
| 00:50.51 | lkcl | penguin42: and... after 2 months of running the auto-router 20 times per day, altering the completion order of over 100 signals by hand to get them all to connect i am *not* adding in another 8 lines :) |
| 00:51.04 | penguin42 | haha ok |
| 00:51.25 | lkcl | *grin* |
| 00:51.53 | lkcl | it's like... "enough already!". |
| 00:52.18 | penguin42 | hmm how much do those things cost? |
| 00:52.19 | buZz | :P |
| 00:52.40 | buZz | is there a eoma68 breakout already? |
| 00:52.43 | lkcl | funfunfun - i handed it to someone else, they ran a dual or quad-core pentium system, auto-route completion for them was only 80%. |
| 00:53.02 | lkcl | buZz: not yet. might have to make one in a hurry though |
| 00:53.15 | penguin42 | a PCI-e card with one of those on would be interesting; gigE, and the fun stuff on the back |
| 00:53.20 | buZz | boards are more usefull when you can use them ;) |
| 00:53.23 | lkcl | penguin42: the iMX6 eoma68 board? dunno |
| 00:53.38 | penguin42 | lkcl: No, I meant just an iMX6 |
| 00:53.40 | lkcl | buZz: iknowiknowiknow! the priority's been on the flying squirrel |
| 00:53.48 | lkcl | penguin42: ohh... 1sec... |
| 00:54.09 | buZz | :P |
| 00:55.18 | penguin42 | still, that is a nice chip |
| 00:57.07 | lkcl | www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX6Q&nodeId=018rH3ZrDRB24A&tab=Buy_Parametric_Tab&fromSearch=false |
| 00:57.11 | lkcl | that's the quad |
| 00:58.10 | lkcl | $32 and upwards |
| 00:58.28 | penguin42 | yeh a bit much just to sell as a gigE card |
| 00:59.10 | lkcl | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX6D&tab=Buy_Parametric_Tab&nodeId=018rH3ZrDRB24A&fromPage=tax |
| 00:59.16 | lkcl | that's the dual - $22 and upwards. |
| 01:00.32 | penguin42 | so how much are you reckoning the cards will come in at? |
| 01:00.38 | penguin42 | the EOMA cards that is |
| 01:01.52 | lkcl | mmm... assuming that the RAM is 1gbyte and everything else is the same, the BOM is going to be around.... |
| 01:02.06 | lkcl | gige +$3 |
| 01:02.18 | lkcl | beefier PMICs... +$3 appx |
| 01:02.50 | lkcl | dual-core SoC ... $22-7 = +$15 appx |
| 01:02.55 | lkcl | NAND's the same |
| 01:02.59 | lkcl | connectors are the same |
| 01:03.05 | lkcl | PCB's still 6-layer |
| 01:03.11 | lkcl | $30+3+3+15 = |
| 01:03.12 | penguin42 | waits for the irc spreadsheet moded |
| 01:03.23 | lkcl | $51 for the BOM, appx. |
| 01:03.40 | lkcl | so x1.5 or x2 on that |
| 01:03.56 | lkcl | somewhere around $75 |
| 01:04.03 | penguin42 | hmm that's OK |
| 01:04.04 | lkcl | $100 for 1-offs |
| 01:04.38 | lkcl | it sort-of all adds up |
| 01:04.46 | penguin42 | yeh |
| 01:05.39 | lkcl | 's'a big jump though, just to go to dual-core, a cortex a9 and gigabit ethernet. |
| 01:06.32 | penguin42 | right, but it's actually useful |
| 01:06.34 | lkcl | i'm looking forward to a cortex a7 dual-core and/or 22nm, just to get the power down |
| 01:06.36 | lkcl | :) |
| 01:06.45 | penguin42 | what's the power? |
| 01:06.48 | lkcl | power down = less PMIC components |
| 01:07.17 | penguin42 | ah |
| 01:07.24 | lkcl | a LOT for such a small card. if you push the iMX6 flat-out (3 video decodes) it can ask for something mad like 5 watts |
| 01:07.33 | lkcl | or 4.5 |
| 01:07.54 | lkcl | that's with 3 video decodes, 100% CPU usage, 1333mhz DDR3 RAM, data in, data out |
| 01:08.00 | lkcl | there's an app note on it. |
| 01:08.15 | penguin42 | and how much is the type2 card spec'd at handling? |
| 01:08.36 | lkcl | 10 watts... but that's with a heat-sink and other thermal management |
| 01:09.28 | penguin42 | nod |
| 01:09.52 | lkcl | it's close to the limit. certainly the quad is over the limit. |
| 01:10.45 | lkcl | so, we just have to say "ok, you have a thermal limit, and you have power management. if you go over the limit, ramp the clock rate back or it will be ramped back for you" |
| 01:11.02 | penguin42 | yeh |
| 01:11.33 | lkcl | in production we'll flood the cases with thermal gel. loovely stuff. |
| 01:11.59 | penguin42 | yeuch |
| 01:12.01 | lkcl | must write to wits-tech check on the PCBs |
| 01:13.14 | SPG | lkcl master adb62a4 rhombus freescale/iMX6.mdwn * add pricing links * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=adb62a4 |
| 01:13.38 | penguin42 | lkcl: Have you seen the kind of rubber sheet you can get that's thermal conductive ? |
| 01:15.43 | SPG | lkcl master 10953d8 rhombus freescale/iMX6.mdwn * add pricing links * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=10953d8 |
| 01:16.37 | lkcl | penguin42: yes. first saw one in a FIC ION PC (AMD Geode LX800 based). lovely |
| 01:20.14 | penguin42 | I suppose I'd better go to bed now that it's all of a sudden got late |
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| 15:41.31 | SPG | lkcl master 8985251 rhombus freescale/iMX6/orders/lkcl.mdwn * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=8985251 |
| 15:43.29 | hp__ | i just orderd a Freescale quad core mini pc :) |
| 15:43.36 | hp__ | can't wait to try it out with ubuntu :) |
| 15:43.49 | SPG | lkcl master 743c805 rhombus freescale/iMX6/orders.mdwn * imx6 * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=743c805 |
| 15:44.17 | SPG | lkcl master df2122b rhombus freescale/iMX6/orders.mdwn * imx6 * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=df2122b |
| 15:45.45 | SPG | lkcl master 4bd7d42 rhombus allwinner_a10/orders.mdwn freescale/iMX6/orders.mdwn * update a10 page * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bd7d42 |
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| 16:08.20 | SPG | lkcl master 30f4827 rhombus freescale/iMX6/orders.mdwn * argh, VPU requires firmware * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=30f4827 |
| 16:10.04 | SPG | lkcl master ec1b604 rhombus freescale/ iMX6.mdwn iMX6/news.html * argh, VPU requires firmware * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec1b604 |
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| 16:26.26 | penguin42 | once the firmware is loaded is the interface to the rest of the world open? |
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| 17:25.54 | lkcl | penguin42: que? |
| 17:26.08 | lkcl | penguin42: you mean for the VPU? yes. |
| 17:26.26 | lkcl | it even has v4l support now |
| 17:26.34 | lkcl | but it's still bloody proprietary |
| 17:26.51 | penguin42 | yeh, still better than firmware with a proprietary interface to the firmware |
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| 20:43.06 | buZz | is there a kernel available for mt6577 ? |
| 20:44.29 | SPG | lkcl master f3e8214 rhombus allwinner_a10/news/ a10.eoma68.rev2.png discussion.html * a10 news * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3e8214 |
| 20:46.04 | buZz | nmind, already found it |
| 20:47.16 | jinzo | buZz, anyting usefull? I was looking for some MT chips, didn't find anything interesting |
| 20:47.33 | buZz | dont know, i found someone complaining about lack of source |
| 20:47.38 | buZz | https://github.com/wiko-sources/cink-slim/tree/master/mediatek/platform/mt6577/uboot |
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| 22:47.36 | lkcl | buZz: great! been looking for that for some time |
| 22:47.52 | buZz | just first google hit :P |
| 22:48.19 | lkcl | yeah - but try a google search (a few months back) when it didn't exist. surprisingly, nothing comes up! |
| 22:53.50 | buZz | LD |
| 22:53.54 | buZz | well, now it did! |
| 23:10.36 | SPG | lkcl master 5cf0c42 rhombus allwinner_a10/news.html * a10 news * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cf0c42 |
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