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| 00:05.51 | calris_ | I'm looking for a dual ethernet SBC to run as a Linux router / firewall (like a dual-port cubieboard or Raspberry Pi) |
| 00:05.57 | calris_ | Anyone know of such a beast? |
| 00:16.58 | roxfan | just get a router then? |
| 00:18.00 | calris_ | roxfan: most router don't have independent ethernet ports - they have an inbuild switch |
| 00:20.22 | roxfan | i'm sure you can find one with separate ports |
| 00:20.38 | ganbold_ | routerstation pro :) |
| 00:20.50 | roxfan | will likely be easier and cheaper too |
| 00:22.11 | rm | the 741ND has two NICs http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr741nd |
| 00:22.21 | rm | eth0 is connected to a switch for the 4 LAN ports |
| 00:22.24 | rm | eth1 is the WAN port |
| 00:24.31 | SPG | lkcl master 7804dcf rhombus jz4760/ news.html news/jz4760_pcb2.png * jz4760 first route! * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=7804dcf |
| 00:34.23 | ManoftheSea | What's wrong with a router board that has the switch? Usually, you can get it to tag based on incoming port, thus almost like 4 seperate ports. |
| 00:35.53 | calris_ | MonoftheSea: Can they be exposed as seperate /dev/eth devices? |
| 00:36.11 | calris_ | s/MonoftheSea/ManoftheSea |
| 00:37.41 | ManoftheSea | calris: uh, I don't know how to expose normal ethernet cards as /dev/eth devices. However, I believe that the different 802.11q tags show up as "different" ethN:X devices. |
| 00:37.59 | ManoftheSea | or ethN.X, I forget the exact labeling. |
| 00:38.56 | ManoftheSea | yeah, eth0.1 |
| 00:39.43 | calris_ | Hmmm, food for thought... |
| 00:40.49 | calris_ | I did just want something to go between the home wired network and the ADSL router, but I forgot about wireless |
| 00:41.05 | calris_ | So I need something with wireless |
| 00:47.45 | calris_ | http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/d-link/dir-835 looks good |
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| 00:58.06 | troulouliou_dev | hi what it the best solution for a cheap linux arm netbook ? |
| 00:59.14 | lkcl | calris: get a pc-engines alix6f2. they're f*****g awesome. |
| 01:00.04 | lkcl | http://www.pcengines.ch/alix6f2.htm |
| 01:00.58 | lkcl | it has MiniPCIe *and* MiniPCI (Type III) slots. so you can put a 3G Modem into the MiniPCIe slot (i'm testing with a Telit HE910) and an Atheros WIFI card into the MiniPCI Type III slot |
| 01:01.40 | lkcl | there's a whole stack of people selling them, pricing is around £100. |
| 01:01.52 | lkcl | there's cases for £2.99 as well :) |
| 01:02.18 | lkcl | oh and the best bit? because it's an x86 PC, it just... boots.... up... and.... runs. |
| 01:02.35 | lkcl | no fucking about compiling or cross-compiling the linux kernel |
| 01:02.58 | lkcl | just take any x86 gnu/linux distro that has a 486 kernel available, and go. |
| 01:03.51 | lkcl | i PXE-netbooted one using the debian netboot image, and it just.... worked. installed to a 2gbyte CF Card which is of course recognised as an IDE drive. |
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| 01:05.04 | lkcl | i don't think i even needed to do anything special for the pxeboot.... just followed instructions on google "debian pxeboot howto" |
| 01:08.30 | lkcl | if however you want 4 or 5 ethernets, look up the ubiquiti "rspro" - it has 4 gigabit ethernets and 1 POE ethernet, as well as 2 MiniPCI Type III slots. |
| 01:08.38 | lkcl | and it's around $80 qty 1. |
| 01:09.07 | lkcl | the only thing: if you don't use POE, the DC input i think is still something like 15 to 40V |
| 01:09.26 | lkcl | whereas the alix6f2 takes between 7 and 20 (so any 12V PSU will do) |
| 01:09.33 | lkcl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.35 | lkcl | sleeeep.... |
| 01:17.26 | calris_ | lkcl: Thanks :) |
| 01:18.28 | ManoftheSea | Haha, luke, talking about not cross-compiling and suggesting x86. |
| 01:18.34 | ManoftheSea | I am disappoint :)\ |
| 01:18.59 | lkcl | ManoftheSea: pffh. i need a life! |
| 01:19.09 | ManoftheSea | Haha. How's the electric buggy? |
| 01:19.32 | lkcl | ManoftheSea: *sigh* - had to abandon it. it's ok - i have a redesign anyway |
| 01:19.43 | ManoftheSea | cool. good luck. Good night. |
| 01:19.51 | lkcl | geodesic structure, bigger, more aerodynamic. *sigh*. |
| 01:19.53 | lkcl | night :) |
| 01:21.04 | ManoftheSea | calris: I'd suggest anything on openwrt's list. |
| 01:22.24 | calris_ | MonoftheSea: Yeah, as I said, the D-Link DIR-835 looks good and I can get it locally for ~$160 |
| 01:25.14 | ManoftheSea | wow, that seems expensive. |
| 01:25.44 | ManoftheSea | I've got an (older, no longer made) WNDR 3700v2 that was only $100, and it does 2.4 and 5 wireless-N |
| 01:25.57 | ManoftheSea | also, has a seperate eth1 |
| 01:26.11 | ManoftheSea | I think all the newer netgear WNDR are not supported, though. |
| 01:30.50 | calris_ | MonoftheSea: The DIR-835 has 16MB Flash and 128MB RAM - Gives me some headroom to do more than just routing :) |
| 01:31.21 | calris_ | ManoftheSea: Goddamit, I will get your name right one day ;) |
| 01:32.06 | ManoftheSea | I don't know that model. But yeah, I definitely suggest OpenWRT, it's compiled with the smaller klibc. |
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| 01:33.40 | calris_ | Can OpenWRT generate connection logs (source/destination IP/Port)? |
| 01:35.29 | orly_owl | im pretty sure it can |
| 01:35.38 | orly_owl | its on my router |
| 01:35.47 | orly_owl | also #openwrt openwrt.org |
| 01:36.59 | orly_owl | ManoftheSea: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/start |
| 01:37.14 | orly_owl | v3 and v4 are not well supported |
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| 01:40.47 | calris_ | orly_owl: I noticed - WNDR3800 for $85.00 after cash-back would have been nice :) |
| 01:41.07 | orly_owl | the tp-links are cheap and well supported http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/start |
| 01:41.48 | orly_owl | WNDR3800 is supported in trunk it seems https://dev.openwrt.org/changeset/28597 |
| 01:42.19 | orly_owl | calris_: a TP-LINK WR1043ND is about 50 USD with gigabit ports |
| 01:45.31 | calris_ | orly_owl: The WR2543ND is not much more |
| 01:46.44 | orly_owl | get that if you want it |
| 01:47.01 | orly_owl | support isnt as good though |
| 01:47.15 | orly_owl | http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr2543nd |
| 01:47.29 | orly_owl | but 64mb ram and can do 2.4 or 5ghz |
| 01:48.07 | orly_owl | "Despite having the space and markings for a metal shield over the wireless radio, it is not included on most units. " |
| 01:48.10 | orly_owl | heh |
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| 02:56.23 | calris_ | WR2543ND is on it's way :) |
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| 14:11.38 | buZz | http://www.aliexpress.com/activities/aliexpress-promotion-preview/index.html#list/318 |
| 14:11.51 | buZz | A10 7" tablet for 50 usd on 26-3 |
| 14:11.52 | buZz | :P |
| 14:16.24 | tinti_ | buZz: is that cheap ? |
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| 14:17.11 | buZz | tinti_: 50 usd for a 7" tablet? |
| 14:17.20 | buZz | thats like 1 usd more than cubieboard |
| 14:17.21 | buZz | ... |
| 14:17.33 | tinti_ | Resistive or Capacitive? |
| 14:17.42 | buZz | no idea, read the website |
| 14:17.45 | tinti_ | Yes but it is 512 MB |
| 14:17.56 | buZz | yes read the website |
| 14:18.04 | tinti_ | I am |
| 14:18.10 | buZz | awesome |
| 14:18.12 | buZz | it has details |
| 14:18.14 | buZz | i dont ;) |
| 14:18.18 | tinti_ | You are right. It is indeed |
| 14:18.20 | tinti_ | http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/7-inch-tablet-pc/601953_762061458.html?_componentAcceptorEnabled_=false |
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| 15:20.09 | rm | that's about the normal price for A13 tablets http://www.aliexpress.com/item/7-Allwinner-A13-gooweel-Q88-tablet-pc-android-4-0-1-2GHz-RAM-DDR3-512MB-ROM/629186005.html |
| 15:20.32 | rm | not much different from the one in the "deal" |
| 15:20.48 | rm | most significant difference of the A10 one is perhaps the full-sized USB port |
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| 15:45.39 | buZz | but rm, is debian on A13 as supported as on A10? |
| 15:46.33 | rm | afaik people do run GNU/Linux on those Olinuxino-micro |
| 15:46.40 | rm | which is A13 with 256 MB of RAM |
| 15:47.51 | rm | I guess on a tablet you will have greater issues getting LCD and touch screen to work |
| 15:47.59 | rm | than any issues caused by A13 vs A10 |
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| 16:28.11 | buZz | rm: hmm ok, i didnt realize this |
| 16:28.21 | buZz | i thought the A13 support was 'iffy' |
| 16:28.40 | buZz | maybe i should just grab an A13 tablet with 1GB and play around |
| 16:29.09 | rm | I am not sure A13 supports >512MB RAM |
| 16:35.26 | mnemoc | A10s support >512, A13 doesn't. |
| 16:35.38 | mnemoc | craplet-optimized chip |
| 16:39.27 | traeak | with how fast the market has been moving i wonder how well the a13 has really done |
| 16:40.23 | traeak | making cheaper chips instead of newer/better and price reducing the previous |
| 16:42.57 | mnemoc | for cheap sub 720p 512MB tablets probably nothing can beat an A13 |
| 16:44.56 | zumbi | nods.. oh A31 + 2GB RAM .. niceee |
| 16:45.45 | mnemoc | if you only want android... |
| 16:47.53 | mnemoc | also, the A31 has a 5th core (called ar100) doing the power management via rpc |
| 16:48.04 | mnemoc | that increases the closeness factor of A31 a lot |
| 16:49.22 | mnemoc | wants an A20 + 2GB RAM mele-ish device :) |
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| 17:24.09 | ssvb | mnemoc: that's a bit ironic, because openrisc is supposed to be a true open source hardware |
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| 17:28.14 | ssvb | it is quite interesting to see it implemented in ASIC and responsible for something useful |
| 17:31.16 | traeak | a31 souhnds like tegra3 |
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