| 00:01.05 | bfree | it shouldn't (unless you have redirects blocked). https://duckduckgo.com/ is the long way to type it ;-) http://donttrack.us/ is more fun though |
| 00:01.44 | mnemoc | curl -I https://ddg.gg/ <--- empty output and waiting for 4m already |
| 00:03.14 | mnemoc | if it's just a 301 I just have seen it long ago |
| 00:03.41 | bfree | yep, it's just a shorthand redirect |
| 00:04.09 | mnemoc | same issue from home and a server in hetzner.de |
| 00:04.26 | mnemoc | both even resolving different IPs (208.94.146.70 and 208.94.146.81) |
| 00:04.29 | mnemoc | funky |
| 00:06.39 | bfree | seems https is the culprit, http://ddg.gg seems to work fine to redirect to https://duckduckgo.com |
| 00:07.05 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 00:21.30 | hno | specing, none of the 4 servers of ddg.gg listen to https port 443 (firewalled) |
| 00:34.15 | mripard | Turl: pong |
| 00:45.17 | Turl | mripard: I saw your gpio patches are in mainline |
| 00:45.25 | mripard | yes |
| 00:45.33 | Turl | mripard: and arnd sent a pull req including my dt patch |
| 00:45.38 | mripard | yes |
| 00:45.44 | mripard | but he also reverted it... |
| 00:45.50 | Turl | mripard: but I think they missed the gpio-controller; patch |
| 00:45.52 | Turl | oh |
| 00:46.11 | mripard | precisely because they missed the gpio-controller patch |
| 00:46.24 | mripard | and so our patches for the LED broke the build |
| 00:46.54 | mripard | I asked Arnd if we could merge it in 3.9-rc2, still waiting for an answer |
| 00:47.24 | Turl | ok then :) |
| 00:47.52 | Turl | mripard: on another news, I implemented apb1 |
| 00:48.14 | mripard | I've seen Mike Turquette several time these past days, but I didn't have the occasion to ask him to review your patches :) |
| 00:48.17 | mripard | ah, great |
| 00:48.42 | Turl | mripard: I didn't actually test it fully as there's no user, but the clock reading indicates it's operating at 24Mhz - sourced from osc and all divisors set to 0 |
| 00:49.47 | mripard | users are uarts and i2cs controllers |
| 00:49.56 | mripard | did you implement the gating on it? |
| 00:50.43 | mripard | or just the dividers? |
| 00:58.45 | Turl | it is gatable? hmm |
| 00:59.07 | mripard | it is |
| 00:59.15 | mripard | basically, every clocks are gateable |
| 00:59.44 | mripard | AHB is, APB0 and 1 are |
| 01:01.13 | Turl | http://linux-sunxi.org/A10/CCM#CCM_CPU_AXI_AHB_APB0_CFG and where's the gates? :/ |
| 01:02.02 | mripard | 0x68 |
| 01:04.14 | Turl | hm, so we need a lot of child gate clocks, one per component then? |
| 01:04.25 | mripard | no |
| 01:04.30 | mripard | there's a trick here |
| 01:04.45 | mripard | define a single gate |
| 01:04.55 | mripard | which will have a clock-cell size of 1 |
| 01:05.21 | mripard | and so, when you reference the phandle in the device tree, you pass the offset of that clock in your register |
| 01:05.40 | mripard | something like clocks = <&apb0-gate 42>; |
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| 01:11.04 | mdp | is anybody working on the spi driver for upstream yet? I haven't seen anything but wanted to make sure it wasn't already being handled. |
| 01:11.30 | mripard | I'm working on the i2c one, so feel free to work on the SPI one :) |
| 01:11.37 | mdp | mripard: was going to find you f2f at elc but haven't lined up yet |
| 01:12.03 | mripard | and I'm not aware of anyone working on the SPI |
| 01:12.03 | mdp | ok |
| 01:12.12 | mripard | mdp: you're at the ELC? really? |
| 01:12.30 | mripard | I should be one of the guy near the camcorders if you want to find me :) |
| 01:12.38 | mdp | cool..yeah, i'll try to find you...aha! |
| 01:12.54 | mripard | or a tall guy speaking with an awful french accent :) |
| 01:12.57 | mdp | i should have known given your affiliation :) |
| 01:13.15 | mdp | love yor elc videos |
| 01:13.21 | mdp | *your |
| 01:13.44 | mdp | which session are you in now? |
| 01:14.42 | mripard | the CDF BoF |
| 01:16.42 | Turl | mripard: and how do you read that 42 then from the code? |
| 01:16.48 | mripard | Turl: if you want to see how to do the clock-cells stuff |
| 01:16.56 | mripard | look at the mvebu clocks |
| 01:17.00 | mripard | they do exactly that |
| 01:17.07 | mripard | for the coreclk iirc |
| 01:17.17 | mripard | ah, I guess that answers your question :) |
| 01:17.34 | mripard | or you can look at gregory's talk from yesterday |
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| 01:18.34 | Turl | I'll have a look at that then, thanks :) |
| 01:18.34 | mripard | https://events.linuxfoundation.org/images/stories/slides/elc2013_clement.pdf |
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| 04:09.51 | ZaEarl | Ooh, Ubuntu tablet edition is based on CM10.1. |
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| 05:09.33 | theRat__ | mdp, are you talking about spi_sunxi? If so I have been looking at it a bit. |
| 05:13.18 | bsdfox_ | ZaEarl, so the userland is android? |
| 05:15.50 | ZaEarl | no |
| 05:22.37 | ZaEarl | bsdfox_, not sure what they cut out, I just know so far there's no dalvik. |
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| 05:56.51 | ZaEarl | The android layer is here: http://phablet.ubuntu.com/ |
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| 10:51.05 | libv | ZaEarl: hah, so they are using the android binaries then |
| 10:51.19 | libv | ah, ok? really? |
| 10:52.06 | libv | hrm, what other advantage would basing things on android have |
| 10:54.09 | roxfan | hipness++ |
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| 10:59.55 | mnemoc | nah, it's just pragmatism |
| 11:02.06 | libv | it's the only way to get backing, indeed, there is no way that the device makers are going to port kernel/userspace to a unknown and unimportant infrastructure of a separate OS |
| 11:02.13 | libv | it does however, not help us at all |
| 11:02.32 | libv | it actually puts us further back |
| 11:06.10 | mnemoc | nods |
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| 11:20.43 | RaYmAn | they _only_ use the android parts to be able to use the android gralloc, hwcomposer & egl drivers |
| 11:21.04 | RaYmAn | (they use libhybris to call the bionic-linked libraries from glibc) |
| 11:22.58 | rm | typical ubuntu philosophy |
| 11:23.00 | libv | sure, but this makes it harder for us, proper linux users. |
| 11:23.13 | libv | there is even less push now to get binaries out for linux |
| 11:23.23 | libv | and this singles out us ARM GPU REers even more |
| 11:23.27 | rm | sacrifice every bit of sanity, correctness or any moral standpoint to make something that "kind of works" asap |
| 11:27.23 | RaYmAn | to be fair, ubuntu didn't create libhybri :P |
| 11:27.40 | RaYmAn | (aptly named, don't you think?) |
| 11:37.43 | hramrach | well, it makes sense to use the tested libraries in an emulation |
| 11:37.57 | hramrach | it's been done so many times for so many things |
| 11:49.24 | jinzo | also, I don't think their effort will produce anything meaningfull. |
| 11:49.31 | jinzo | Look at their TV "push" |
| 11:49.44 | jinzo | they lack focus, and manpower to do what they wish to do. |
| 11:50.41 | hramrach | maybe they are just trying out things to see what works and what fails |
| 11:50.52 | hramrach | nobody has all successful projects |
| 11:51.05 | jinzo | but they have a focus span of a 3 year old :/ |
| 11:51.33 | jinzo | most of the sucessfull stories out there are from a continued focus and effort |
| 11:51.44 | hramrach | I can't blame them |
| 11:51.54 | hramrach | I have the focus span of 2yo ;-) |
| 11:52.34 | jinzo | Nobody can "blame them", but I think that they're walking the line when they're actually beneficial to the whole OSS community (and leeching on the other site) |
| 11:52.40 | jinzo | s/site/side/ |
| 11:53.07 | hramrach | +past? |
| 11:53.44 | hramrach | well, they can do what they want. they run their projects on their own budget so .. |
| 11:54.03 | hramrach | it's not like they owe anything to anybody |
| 11:54.44 | jinzo | not saying that, I'm just saying that the perspective OSS community has towards them (in relation, to let's say RH) |
| 11:55.03 | hramrach | plus I like to use Ubuntu build serversthey provide for free |
| 11:56.30 | hramrach | not all Ubuntu/Cononical is useful bet they give more choice and raise some questions that would get overlooked otherwise, in general |
| 11:56.30 | jinzo | good for you, didn't say everything is bad - just saying that, in my honest opinion - they are not doing things (even remotely) right to succeed. |
| 11:57.35 | hramrach | I guess that vital part of Ubuntu phone success or failure is the partnership with carriers |
| 11:58.11 | hramrach | the software even as it is no more lame than any other phone |
| 11:59.03 | hramrach | but you need the phone included in the plans and the support trained to set it up so users can actually use it |
| 11:59.11 | hramrach | without being kernel hackers |
| 11:59.17 | jinzo | I would say that's not the case. MS and Apple don't allow carriers close for a reason (not to mention that most carriers in europe don't do the shit US carriers do) |
| 11:59.56 | hramrach | canonical does not have its own stores throughout the world |
| 12:00.01 | hramrach | they need the carriers |
| 12:00.19 | hramrach | what MS phone is out there? |
| 12:00.33 | jinzo | ofcourse, but they don't need to allow carriers to botch up the software |
| 12:01.00 | jinzo | quite some, but MS is taking the bruteforce method mostly (throw a lot of money at it, for a lot of time) |
| 12:01.12 | jinzo | it kinda worked for them with the XBOX, now they're doing it for the mobile |
| 12:01.27 | hramrach | did not notice any MS phone |
| 12:01.34 | hramrach | but maybe they come, eventually |
| 12:01.59 | jinzo | oh, you mean a phone that's manufactured by MS itself? |
| 12:02.38 | hramrach | oh, you mean WinRT phone? that is on the way, hmm |
| 12:02.45 | hramrach | just completely useless |
| 12:02.55 | hramrach | maybe next version |
| 12:03.19 | hramrach | WinRT seems to be the WinVista of mobile |
| 12:03.35 | hramrach | well, all mobile windows was junk so far |
| 12:03.49 | jinzo | Like I said, they're throwing money at it with a showel. Canonical probably can't do that to the extent MS can. |
| 12:04.39 | jinzo | I don't think that matters, because all of the phones sold today are of a decent quality and do what 85% of people buy them for |
| 12:04.55 | jinzo | and they don't really care if it's Windows Phone 7 on it or Android |
| 12:05.02 | jinzo | or Ubuntu phone |
| 12:05.18 | jinzo | and Canonical should, in my honest opinion, target the people that do care |
| 12:05.50 | hramrach | I have yet to find a phone that does what I buy phones for - phone calls |
| 12:06.23 | jinzo | because the market for people that don't has some big ass gorillas in it (Samsung, Apple, Microsoft/nokia, even HTC...) |
| 12:06.48 | hramrach | jinzo: I think they are trying to aim for seamless experience Ubuntu Desktop - Ubuntu phone |
| 12:07.01 | hramrach | and are probably going to do better at it than MS |
| 12:07.15 | hramrach | because they are not going to just cripple the system for no reason |
| 12:07.27 | Turl | hramrach: do people call still in 2013? :O |
| 12:07.41 | jinzo | I own a 3 year old HTC Desire I got off a programming contest that a local carrier and HTC organised |
| 12:07.48 | hramrach | just many applications will be useless on the phone hardware but it's up to the people to not install and use those |
| 12:08.04 | jinzo | I'm running Android 4.2.2 on it (that's the latest) and I can SSH to it. |
| 12:08.19 | jinzo | I have to charge it every day, and it reboots occasionaly (out of thin air) |
| 12:08.19 | hramrach | Turl: yes, I do phone. not much but that's what I have a phone for |
| 12:08.49 | hramrach | yes, that's exactly why I don't want a 'smartphone' |
| 12:09.04 | hramrach | it's neither smart not phone |
| 12:09.05 | jinzo | but yes, my next phone will be something Nexus branded (or a sibling), because I love it how I can treat (not use per se) my phone as a PC |
| 12:09.33 | jinzo | I also noticed how my life is better if I don't anwser all of my phone calls :D |
| 12:10.18 | jinzo | and how people learned that I prefer a SMS/E-mail, so I can read/respond/think it over when I actually have time |
| 12:10.32 | jinzo | ok, I'll end my monologue, sorry : |
| 12:11.03 | hramrach | well, you get that with a tablet + bluetooth phone as well |
| 12:11.26 | hramrach | and the tablet is better at being smart and the phone at being phone, then. Or you can pick one that is |
| 12:12.07 | jinzo | or use the Asus thingie :D |
| 12:12.53 | jinzo | (The tablet in which you can input/store the phone) |
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| 13:18.34 | fossxplorer | Hi folks |
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| 13:19.01 | fossxplorer | Is there any Android stick coming with quad core other than GK802? |
| 13:19.08 | fossxplorer | sky770, hey |
| 13:21.10 | RaYmAn | probably |
| 13:21.53 | fossxplorer | Any news/rumors about any devices? |
| 13:26.31 | hramrach | any decent rk3066 device? |
| 13:26.52 | hramrach | it's supposed to have quad core graphics ;-) |
| 13:28.35 | fossxplorer | hramrach, rk3066 does have Mali 400 with quad core IIRC |
| 13:29.01 | hramrach | yes, quad core graphics |
| 13:29.43 | fossxplorer | I was interested in quad core CPU to get more CPU power :) |
| 13:30.16 | fossxplorer | rk3066 is behind the better mobile phone's CPU on the market :( |
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| 14:02.18 | hramrach | fossxplorer: if you don't insist on stick format there is odroid u2 |
| 14:04.15 | fossxplorer | hramrach, yeah i really like U2, but the problem is it's from Korea with shipping, custom tax here etc, costs too much |
| 14:05.29 | xenoxaos | i wish they could do a reseller in the US or something |
| 14:05.48 | hramrach | nono |
| 14:05.54 | hramrach | no resellers :p |
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| 14:11.57 | buZz | fossxplorer: there will be a odroid coming with exynos 5 ;) |
| 14:12.10 | buZz | for your rumorhunger |
| 14:12.23 | buZz | hopefully also exynos 5 octa |
| 14:12.27 | fossxplorer | Oh, great! |
| 14:12.29 | buZz | wants big.LITTLE |
| 14:12.43 | fossxplorer | Sounds awesome! Looking forward! |
| 14:12.49 | buZz | me too :) |
| 14:13.00 | fossxplorer | :) |
| 14:13.08 | buZz | have to upgrade my laptop :) 8 core laptop sounds awesome |
| 14:13.19 | fossxplorer | Oh yes! |
| 14:13.34 | fossxplorer | With low power hungry CPUs |
| 14:13.35 | Gumboot | I think the usual configuration will be four cores. |
| 14:13.42 | buZz | yeah |
| 14:13.46 | Gumboot | Switching between fast and slow. |
| 14:13.54 | Gumboot | sorry. |
| 14:13.58 | buZz | both cores are 100% compatible |
| 14:13.58 | Gumboot | Switching between speedy and efficient. |
| 14:14.04 | buZz | can run the exact same code |
| 14:14.12 | buZz | guess they will also share cache |
| 14:14.35 | buZz | i hope virtualbox or vmware will adopt these new ARM virtualization extensions |
| 14:14.51 | fossxplorer | Looks like exynos 5 dual got Mali T604 :) |
| 14:15.09 | Gumboot | There's a whole bunch of extra compute, too. |
| 14:15.17 | Gumboot | Have the OpenCL drivers come out, yet? |
| 14:15.38 | buZz | doubtfull |
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| 14:16.25 | Gumboot | I heard rumours, that's all. |
| 14:16.50 | specing | buZz: Not sure about those, but Qemu will :) |
| 14:16.56 | Gumboot | But compute is at the very least supported via Renderscript. So there's at least proof of principle there. |
| 14:16.58 | buZz | nice :) |
| 14:17.16 | specing | Im not sure why everyone uses virtualbox |
| 14:17.26 | specing | Qemu smashes it in every single benchmark |
| 14:17.36 | buZz | easier configuration |
| 14:17.40 | specing | + Qemu can emulate pretty much everything in existance |
| 14:17.43 | hramrach | virtualbox has nice clickety UI |
| 14:17.49 | hramrach | works easily on Windows |
| 14:18.07 | buZz | hmm |
| 14:18.29 | hramrach | the UI is slow as hell, especially on Windows, and does not work with absolute input devices |
| 14:18.32 | buZz | i still have a qemu binary here compiled for armv6 to throw on my phone, with a win95 image :P |
| 14:18.45 | hramrach | but who cares? Click! Click! |
| 14:20.31 | specing | There are UIs for Qemu |
| 14:20.48 | hramrach | but they don't work |
| 14:20.59 | hramrach | nobody usees them so they never get fixed |
| 14:21.04 | specing | Heh |
| 14:21.11 | specing | likes command lines |
| 14:22.16 | Gumboot | suspects he might not have been using qemu because he didn't know what it was for. |
| 14:23.14 | specing | suspects Gumboot's suspicion might be correct |
| 14:24.24 | Gumboot | I only knew about its user-mode emulation, and had some vague awareness that it was used in Android builds and Android development. |
| 14:24.39 | Gumboot | Can it do ARM on ARM efficiently? |
| 14:24.51 | Gumboot | Heck... can it even do x86 on x86 efficiently? |
| 14:25.16 | hramrach | yes, with the virt extensions |
| 14:25.52 | hramrach | arm has virt extensions on A15 or so |
| 14:26.02 | buZz | and on A7 |
| 14:26.31 | Gumboot | What if you don't have those? It's impossible, or just inefficient? |
| 14:26.38 | buZz | inefficient |
| 14:26.52 | Gumboot | Oh, my question is a tree. |
| 14:26.59 | Gumboot | Inefficient but supported, or inefficient and unsupported? |
| 14:27.10 | buZz | the former :) |
| 14:27.22 | Gumboot | one more branch... |
| 14:27.41 | Gumboot | Inefficient as in emulated, or inefficient as in natively executed code but with more overhead than hardware virtualisation would require? |
| 14:27.53 | buZz | that i am not sure of |
| 14:28.19 | specing | I think it does JIT |
| 14:28.35 | specing | "dynamic translation" sure sounds like it |
| 14:28.49 | Gumboot | I guess the general idea is that the JIT might get a lot thinner and so the boundary between emulated and unemulated gets kind of fuzzy. |
| 14:29.41 | specing | Gumboot: try with -enable-kvm and -no-kvm and see ;D |
| 14:30.13 | Gumboot | I'm starting to wonder if I have a solution for running Android apps on an ARM tablet running Linux. |
| 14:32.54 | Gumboot | Last I saw the ARM whole-machine emulation on x86, which came with the Android SDK, was pretty terrible. I'm wondering if an ARM host would improve that. |
| 14:33.32 | buZz | well there are some tricks for running android apps within windows etc, might be easy enough to pull something like that into linux |
| 14:33.51 | Gumboot | Tricks as in x86 Dalvik? |
| 14:33.54 | buZz | the android SDK packages qemu |
| 14:35.02 | buZz | i am playing with http://androvm.org/ at work |
| 14:38.23 | SPG | 03Romain 05master 9118709 06rhombus 03allwinner_a10/orders/rbazileubiant.mdwn * 14http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=9118709 |
| 14:41.53 | mnemoc | just found he ordered a book he already had :| |
| 14:42.41 | buZz | mnemoc: add a bookcrossing sticker and put it in a bookcase at a hackerspace ;) |
| 14:42.45 | specing | mnemoc: roflmao |
| 14:43.06 | mnemoc | 22E wasted |
| 14:43.27 | Turl | mripard: just got the onecell stuff working :) |
| 14:44.29 | Turl | now I need to work something out to assign nice names to them |
| 14:45.05 | mnemoc | buZz: no hackerspace around here.... |
| 14:45.55 | buZz | which book is it? |
| 14:46.12 | mnemoc | o'reilly's restful web services cookbook |
| 14:46.37 | mnemoc | i suppose i can donate it to the library |
| 14:47.59 | mnemoc | i think i saw a banner of bookcrossing in a public library near by |
| 14:48.37 | arete74 | mnemoc: was is the shipping cost spain-italy? |
| 14:49.06 | buZz | bookcrossing is awesome ;) |
| 14:51.30 | mnemoc | arete74: more than what I paid for the book "free shipping" from .ie |
| 14:51.59 | mnemoc | correos.es wants 29E to send 500g to italy.... wtf |
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| 15:06.23 | Turl | http://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/02/22/friday-free-board-quiz-issue-30-is-msp430-bsl-rocket-programmer/ |
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| 15:08.06 | mnemoc | https://twitter.com/Olimex/status/304969799430189056 |
| 15:08.28 | Turl | easy question :) |
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| 15:13.43 | specing | They should ask something harder |
| 15:14.09 | specing | e.g. how many registers does the <insert the MSP they have onboard> have? |
| 15:14.18 | mnemoc | specing: the point is to attract people, not to exclude them |
| 15:14.26 | specing | I know, but... :D |
| 15:14.38 | specing | This is stupid |
| 15:14.51 | mnemoc | it's marketing :) |
| 15:15.27 | specing | I agree that marketing is stupid, yes |
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| 15:59.50 | mnemoc | L84Supper: hi, considering your 30+ years experience with mainboards, can you help me to make http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock reasonable? ;-) |
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| 16:02.12 | L84Supper | mnemoc: I haven't been watching the dongles that closely. Do they vary much on the type of USB and HDMI connectors used? |
| 16:03.51 | L84Supper | ^^ that's a good idea, make it compatible with any SOC dongle |
| 16:04.08 | L84Supper | also gets away from all the EOMA hype |
| 16:05.41 | L84Supper | mnemoc: who is still making lapdocs? Didn't everyone stop except for the Toshiba tablet |
| 16:06.37 | L84Supper | add a battery and you have a portable device |
| 16:07.54 | buZz | motorola is still making lapdocks |
| 16:08.15 | L84Supper | buZz: anyone else? |
| 16:08.15 | buZz | they stopped, then google bought them, now they make them again |
| 16:08.21 | L84Supper | ah ok |
| 16:08.23 | buZz | nobody besides motorola makes lapdocks |
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| 16:09.08 | L84Supper | http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/Motorola-Lapdock-100/73945,en_US,pd.html is this it? |
| 16:09.42 | buZz | thats the new one yes |
| 16:09.47 | buZz | they have two versions now |
| 16:09.57 | buZz | this one (smaller than original one) and another that is bigger |
| 16:10.08 | L84Supper | tooling is the big expense, but if we 3d print the enclosures then there's no real big expense |
| 16:10.13 | buZz | i think the bigger one is not so hackerfriendly |
| 16:10.47 | L84Supper | i can see about buying their enclosures and keyboard |
| 16:10.57 | L84Supper | but will that be of any benefit? |
| 16:11.07 | L84Supper | are the connectors in the right places? |
| 16:11.13 | L84Supper | is there a battery? |
| 16:11.54 | buZz | not all lapdocks have connector in the same place |
| 16:12.07 | buZz | because designers are morrons |
| 16:12.17 | L84Supper | tell me about it :) |
| 16:12.51 | buZz | i have a lapdock for droid bionic, connectors are _reversed_ from the lapdock for atrix 4g |
| 16:13.08 | buZz | its ok cause i just use cables to connect a cubieboard, but still ... |
| 16:13.49 | L84Supper | if there is a current device available with an enclosure and keyboard = battery we can use then protos could be in a few weeks when I have some time |
| 16:14.02 | buZz | lapdock has a battery |
| 16:14.17 | buZz | i can run cubieboard on 100% cpu and sata disk for about 6 hours |
| 16:14.22 | L84Supper | is there any other than the motorola? |
| 16:14.22 | buZz | and screen turned on |
| 16:14.25 | buZz | no |
| 16:14.30 | buZz | not that i know |
| 16:15.05 | buZz | if you need a betatester, i am very willing ;) |
| 16:15.11 | buZz | BEYOND willing |
| 16:15.21 | L84Supper | heh |
| 16:15.23 | buZz | i have been hunting for a 3D model of the phone ment to dock with my lapdock |
| 16:15.34 | buZz | but just found one design, that charges 40 usd for the model |
| 16:15.35 | buZz | pff |
| 16:15.49 | L84Supper | we could make it work with any dongle or phone with USB and HDMI |
| 16:15.54 | buZz | yes |
| 16:16.07 | buZz | it should be a breakout board to make the connectors common |
| 16:16.34 | L84Supper | or a choice of connectors for the soldering iron impaired |
| 16:16.43 | buZz | yes |
| 16:16.48 | buZz | also be sure to add a power breakout |
| 16:17.02 | buZz | not all boards get their power over the same connector as they get USB clients |
| 16:17.02 | L84Supper | this could be more mainstream than hacker, with hacker support |
| 16:17.31 | buZz | hacker and prosumer is blending more and more each day |
| 16:17.47 | L84Supper | it would just need a selection of dongle/adapters for different devices |
| 16:17.56 | L84Supper | yeah, this is pretty easy |
| 16:18.33 | L84Supper | good thing i also make 3d printers big enough to print enclosures this size :) |
| 16:19.28 | buZz | ;) |
| 16:19.38 | buZz | my printer is just 18x16x10cm volume |
| 16:19.43 | buZz | but the next will be bigger :P |
| 16:19.50 | buZz | 21x27x30cm probably |
| 16:19.58 | L84Supper | this would use SLA or inkjet |
| 16:20.02 | L84Supper | or both |
| 16:20.09 | buZz | not so tough or durable |
| 16:20.29 | L84Supper | good thing i also make photopolymers :) |
| 16:20.39 | buZz | you _make_ photopolymers? |
| 16:20.45 | L84Supper | yeah |
| 16:20.51 | buZz | i think we need to talk about getting a bucket of your stuff :P |
| 16:20.57 | L84Supper | and inks and fluids for printed electronics |
| 16:21.12 | buZz | hackerspace buddy of mine is making a UV projetor at the moment |
| 16:21.26 | L84Supper | http://bucktownpolymers.com/polymer00.html order from them |
| 16:21.26 | buZz | and plans to work with photopolymers after that |
| 16:21.42 | buZz | bucktownpolymers are just photopolymers from printing presses |
| 16:21.48 | buZz | we can get those cheaper locally |
| 16:21.50 | L84Supper | nope |
| 16:22.03 | buZz | why are they Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Blue then ;) |
| 16:22.07 | buZz | eh |
| 16:22.08 | buZz | Black |
| 16:22.14 | L84Supper | they make hundreds of formulas, the ones at that link are tweaked for SLA |
| 16:22.42 | buZz | well then we will just go local ;) |
| 16:22.47 | mnemoc | L84Supper: they mostly have all male full size hdmi, and mini-usb for the otg |
| 16:23.03 | L84Supper | as long as I don't have to touch any software :) |
| 16:23.26 | L84Supper | mnemoc: all the same gender? |
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| 16:23.48 | buZz | some have female full size hdmi |
| 16:24.11 | mnemoc | but full male/male cables are easy and cheap to get |
| 16:24.24 | mnemoc | devboards are full female too |
| 16:24.25 | buZz | there are also hdmi genderchangers ;) |
| 16:24.50 | buZz | you could also give the option of putting female or male plugs on the board |
| 16:24.56 | buZz | if possible |
| 16:25.01 | L84Supper | so the doc would need 1 mini-usb male and 1 hdmi male, additional gender changes would be the option |
| 16:25.41 | L84Supper | to make it really popular you should try to make it as easy as opening the box and plugging it in |
| 16:26.23 | L84Supper | the hackers would be a small subset of the customer base |
| 16:26.33 | L84Supper | but it would support all |
| 16:26.45 | mnemoc | i wasn't thinking in "open to plug" |
| 16:26.46 | L84Supper | it just needs easy access for mods |
| 16:26.48 | mnemoc | just to stick |
| 16:27.14 | L84Supper | and the USB dongle shouldn't just flop around |
| 16:28.47 | L84Supper | it could be a low budget approach using hook and loop to secure it to the rear of the doc, or a more elaborate "pen/cage" in the rear that would secure it for portability |
| 16:29.55 | L84Supper | how about use with smartphones? is there any sanity yet for the video connectors? |
| 16:30.24 | L84Supper | mini or micro USB is pretty standard, but how about HDMI? |
| 16:30.27 | mnemoc | there are mhl to hdmi/usb cables |
| 16:31.28 | L84Supper | there are several laptop snap in keyboard vendors |
| 16:31.29 | mnemoc | it's impossible to be perfect for every case, but it's possible to make it easy for most cases |
| 16:31.46 | L84Supper | yeah, just trying to see how far to go |
| 16:31.56 | L84Supper | while keeping it simple |
| 16:32.23 | L84Supper | dongles are cheap or easy to make |
| 16:32.41 | L84Supper | if they are just gender changers, breakout etc |
| 16:33.25 | mnemoc | as they are aimed as "tv sticks" they'll keep full hdmi |
| 16:33.39 | L84Supper | low temp and pressure molding equipment makes it easy, 3d printing makes it even easier |
| 16:34.12 | mnemoc | and all dev boards are coming with full hdmi (but female) too |
| 16:34.30 | L84Supper | I meant passive dongles, the soc dongles are actually not too complicated either |
| 16:35.12 | mnemoc | 3g modems and pendrives? |
| 16:35.23 | L84Supper | so an ARM dongle could power a lapdoc or a tablet |
| 16:35.33 | buZz | lapdock doesnt need power |
| 16:35.38 | buZz | it has a battery |
| 16:35.44 | buZz | it powers the device hooked up |
| 16:35.52 | mnemoc | the lapdock powers the stick/board |
| 16:35.59 | L84Supper | cpu power (brains), not electrical power |
| 16:36.26 | mnemoc | yes |
| 16:36.29 | L84Supper | we are on the same page, just using different terms :) |
| 16:37.10 | L84Supper | we are printing parts as tough as ABS |
| 16:37.10 | buZz | :P |
| 16:37.22 | buZz | ABS is not tough, its bendy |
| 16:37.22 | mnemoc | one gives usb keyboard/mouse and ther other doesn't |
| 16:37.39 | L84Supper | if i can't find a lapdoc case we can print them |
| 16:37.47 | buZz | Polycarbonate is tough |
| 16:38.00 | L84Supper | depends on how you want to define it |
| 16:38.06 | mnemoc | it needs to be strong to be worthy |
| 16:38.32 | mnemoc | bending netbooks were unusable because of that |
| 16:38.45 | L84Supper | I'm not concerned about the polymers |
| 16:38.53 | L84Supper | it won't be bendy |
| 16:39.13 | mnemoc | my main concern is (electrical) power :) |
| 16:39.28 | mnemoc | mostly because I don't understand how those things work :| |
| 16:39.51 | mnemoc | 12V -> LiPo -> 3.3V/6A+ |
| 16:39.55 | L84Supper | working on something now with a modulus in the 10's of Gpa |
| 16:40.14 | buZz | 12V -> charger -> lipo -> regulator -> 3.3 |
| 16:41.57 | mnemoc | and that can be done without much complexity without harming the battery when used plugged to the wall? |
| 16:42.52 | L84Supper | power supply is not an issue |
| 16:43.03 | mnemoc | great to hear :) |
| 16:43.16 | L84Supper | lots of batteries to choose from as well |
| 16:44.13 | mnemoc | was fearing to have some "WTF?"s in there |
| 16:44.46 | mnemoc | it was written based on my wishlist as mere user |
| 16:44.55 | L84Supper | they killed the lapdocs |
| 16:45.05 | L84Supper | and now Google brought them back |
| 16:45.32 | mnemoc | they made them 1) expensive, 2) crappy screen, 3) phone-model-specific |
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| 16:45.47 | L84Supper | phone and tablet vendors don't want to cooperate, they would want some deal to have a 3rd party lapdoc |
| 16:46.23 | L84Supper | mostly involving some large sum of cash heading their way and control of the product |
| 16:47.15 | L84Supper | but with your way all the ARM dongle makers can get in the deal |
| 16:48.03 | L84Supper | and if we leave enough room the dongles can be larger to support 4-9-16 core devices as they arrive |
| 16:48.17 | L84Supper | and >1GB DDR3 |
| 16:48.23 | buZz | what about the devboards! |
| 16:48.39 | L84Supper | now to convince a dongle maker to add SATA |
| 16:49.48 | mnemoc | buZz: devboards can connect with two cables, no adapters. and the "charger usb port" is there to feed their extra needs as for a sata |
| 16:49.57 | L84Supper | buZz: have to see what I can find first off the shelf for this vs building everything |
| 16:51.00 | L84Supper | actually I'd just have to publish a dongle design with SATA and they would arrive in a few weeks |
| 16:51.01 | mnemoc | buZz: and any other spare usb port should be 0.5A |
| 16:51.32 | mnemoc | it was so depressing allwinner removed sata from the A10S |
| 16:52.00 | L84Supper | I haven't kept up, whats the A10s? |
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| 16:52.49 | mnemoc | L84Supper: an small A10 for dongles and settops |
| 16:53.12 | L84Supper | smaller package, fewer pins? |
| 16:53.24 | mnemoc | BGA336 14x14mm |
| 16:53.36 | L84Supper | are the older A10's still available? |
| 16:53.47 | buZz | cubieboard |
| 16:53.59 | mnemoc | L84Supper: yes. and the A20 is pin compatible |
| 16:54.05 | L84Supper | ok |
| 16:54.24 | mnemoc | L84Supper: A20 = A10 with dual cortex-a7 and dual mali400 |
| 16:54.28 | L84Supper | this would also support dongles using Exynos, Rockchip etc etc |
| 16:54.40 | mnemoc | L84Supper: yes |
| 16:54.40 | buZz | didnt A20 drop SATA support? |
| 16:54.46 | mnemoc | buZz: no, it has it |
| 16:54.50 | buZz | ah sweet |
| 16:55.02 | buZz | is tom already working on cubie2 with A20? |
| 16:55.10 | mnemoc | buZz: it's intended as a drop-in replacement PCB-wise |
| 16:55.11 | L84Supper | we should leave room for a 2.5" sata and connector |
| 16:55.28 | mnemoc | buZz: it's said the A20 is not "taped out" yet |
| 16:55.36 | buZz | ah ok |
| 16:55.42 | buZz | just engineering samples |
| 16:56.33 | mnemoc | L84Supper: you mean the rail to house it within the lapdock and with the connectors pointing outside? |
| 16:56.46 | L84Supper | Droid Bionic lapdocs vary in price |
| 16:57.09 | mnemoc | L84Supper: or power it inside the lapdock and only passthrough the sata? |
| 16:57.54 | mnemoc | L84Supper: they are all officially deprecated and sold "under cost" |
| 16:57.59 | L84Supper | mnemoc: something like that, just so that it can support SATA as an option, maybe a snap on, powered by the doc and only with SATA for signals |
| 16:58.11 | mnemoc | sexy idea |
| 16:58.53 | L84Supper | if they are officially gone then I might be able to find their old supplier |
| 16:58.57 | L84Supper | and tooling |
| 16:59.07 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 16:59.40 | L84Supper | they probably got stuck with parts, unused enclosures and hardware |
| 17:00.32 | L84Supper | the tools are probably gathering dust on a shelf until they are recycled for scrap |
| 17:01.12 | L84Supper | are there any lapdocs on alibaba or similar sites, they may point the way to the source |
| 17:02.31 | L84Supper | http://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/CN/hd-lapdock-supplier.html |
| 17:02.51 | mnemoc | :o |
| 17:02.56 | mnemoc | back in 15m |
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| 17:07.56 | L84Supper | http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/267697806/laptop_parts_Port_Replicator_docking_station.html something like this could also be an option |
| 17:08.49 | L84Supper | it could use any external HDMI monitor and keyboard, it would only contain the battery and electronics for docking and pass-through |
| 17:09.24 | L84Supper | but then the wold thing would not be compact and portable |
| 17:09.42 | L84Supper | wold / whole |
| 17:11.24 | L84Supper | http://www.amazon.com/VivoTab-Keyboard-Touchpad-Battery-TF600T-DOCK-GR/dp/B009F1IO3K/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1361553028&sr=1-2 this has keyboard + battery |
| 17:15.39 | vinifm | from the viewpoint kernel what is the difference between connect to a USB HUB and directly to the USB host controller? |
| 17:22.25 | mnemoc | vinifm: same |
| 17:23.23 | vinifm | my usb-ethernet dont works, only using USB HUB |
| 17:24.19 | vinifm | sorry, my usb-ethernet don't it works, only using USB HUB |
| 17:25.27 | Turl | power supply, grounding maybe |
| 17:26.03 | Turl | I have a PLsomething uart that stops working after ~5s if I connect it directly to my PC |
| 17:26.35 | mnemoc | rm: the stage branches include a patch to fix usb problems with unaligned data |
| 17:27.39 | vinifm | i tested in a13-olinuxino-micro |
| 17:29.10 | vinifm | with stage/sunxi-3.0 |
| 17:29.39 | mnemoc | L84Supper: if you can't find the source of the original lapdock shell, I think I've seen hunchbacked laptops too |
| 17:30.06 | mnemoc | vinifm: and when connected directly works? |
| 17:31.04 | vinifm | no, only works using HUB |
| 17:31.41 | mnemoc | odd |
| 17:32.26 | vinifm | with HUB: usb 2-1.3: new full speed USB device number 4 using sw-ehci |
| 17:33.31 | vinifm | without, just: ehci_irq: port change detect |
| 17:33.58 | vinifm | The port change to OHCI now! |
| 17:34.46 | Turl | full speed is USB1 speeds |
| 17:35.08 | Turl | you probably have a USB1 hub then |
| 17:35.39 | vinifm | a13-micro have one USB host and one OTG |
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| 17:36.31 | vinifm | I connect the USB host |
| 17:38.14 | rm | vinifm, is it a powered hub? |
| 17:39.03 | vinifm | I connect HUB to the USB host... |
| 17:40.18 | mnemoc | L84Supper: added the eSATA idea to the wiki |
| 17:40.25 | vinifm | so the board feeds the hub |
| 17:40.46 | mnemoc | L84Supper: for not sata-cable dongles/boards there are cheap usb/esata adapters |
| 17:40.54 | L84Supper | bbl, will investigate sources |
| 17:41.18 | L84Supper | that vendor from Beijing might be interesting |
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| 17:41.41 | mnemoc | L84Supper: thanks :) |
| 17:41.58 | L84Supper | but the doc is in the front where the trackpad should be, so maybe a trackpad the size of the phone to drop in place |
| 17:43.07 | mnemoc | having the connectors in front (or trackpad area) will make it useless for dev boards :< |
| 17:43.21 | mnemoc | imagine the cables bothering you when typing |
| 17:47.40 | L84Supper | the cables could hide below the pad |
| 17:47.52 | L84Supper | in that area the phone drops into |
| 17:48.03 | L84Supper | just an idea, might not have enough space |
| 17:49.44 | mnemoc | might work |
| 17:49.59 | mnemoc | and they can also have other models of chassis |
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| 18:01.51 | L84Supper | laptop cases are easy to find, they have been around for 20+ years |
| 18:02.25 | L84Supper | you just want to find matching keyboards, display and battery |
| 18:02.35 | L84Supper | so it can't be too old |
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| 18:59.44 | vinifm | I noticed that the USB HOST only recognizes USB 2.0 devices, but does not recognize USB 1.0 |
| 19:00.13 | vinifm | would not be stuff driver? |
| 19:09.54 | buZz | vinifm: add a USB2 HUB between |
| 19:09.58 | buZz | then USB1 devices work |
| 19:12.29 | vinifm | yes, but datasheet said "Support High-Speed (HS, 480-Mbps), Full-Speed (FS, 12-Mbps), and Low-Speed (LS,1.5-Mbps) Device" |
| 19:12.55 | vinifm | about USB HOST Controller |
| 19:14.19 | Turl | it's probably a driver bug |
| 19:14.48 | vinifm | i agree with you |
| 19:18.19 | mnemoc | hansg introduced himself as usb expert, and ended up messing with every driver except usb :) |
| 19:21.03 | vinifm | can i open a issue about this? |
| 19:21.40 | mnemoc | vinifm: mailing list |
| 19:22.22 | vinifm | mailing list is not only for patch? |
| 19:23.10 | Turl | not really, it's for issues and discussion too |
| 19:23.35 | Turl | see for example the thread about wemac performance rm did |
| 19:23.36 | mnemoc | also most people from the ML is not subscribed to github issues |
| 19:23.40 | buZz | vinifm: on OMAP4, usb port supports usb2 clients only, unless you add a usb hub |
| 19:23.51 | buZz | the usb OTG supports all types of usb though |
| 19:24.15 | buZz | might be a bug but its a _very_ common bug across platforms |
| 19:24.17 | vinifm | ok |
| 19:26.10 | ZaEarl | Who's with me in porting Ubuntu Tablet to A10? Turl? :) |
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| 19:51.54 | mnemoc | vinifm: forgot to tell what kernel version :< |
| 19:52.13 | vinifm | sorry :) |
| 19:52.42 | mnemoc | now feel the shame or having to reply yourself :) |
| 19:52.52 | mnemoc | s/or/of/ |
| 19:55.26 | hramrach | ZaEarl: what porting does it need? |
| 19:55.37 | hramrach | just install the packages and be done with it |
| 19:59.15 | ZaEarl | gotta merge our kernel into their cm10.1 stuff |
| 20:01.37 | ZaEarl | I'm still syncing the source |
| 20:07.29 | hramrach | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.35 | hramrach | isn't it supposed to be Linux? |
| 20:08.12 | Turl | it's linux-ish on a chroot inside half of android |
| 20:08.33 | Turl | uses QML I heard |
| 20:08.46 | hramrach | yuck |
| 20:09.22 | RaYmAn | the android base is used entirely to get 'free' drivers |
| 20:09.51 | Turl | (free as in already working, not related to free software) |
| 20:10.02 | RaYmAn | indeed |
| 20:10.11 | hramrach | so if you just install the linux part will it work? |
| 20:10.16 | Turl | no |
| 20:10.35 | Turl | at least I don't suppose it will |
| 20:10.43 | RaYmAn | technically speaking, I guess it might if you convince it to not use android drivers. |
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| 20:13.18 | buZz | ubuntu tablet is android? :D |
| 20:13.20 | buZz | wahahahahahaha |
| 20:13.30 | hramrach | and what's in the linux part that is worth having? |
| 20:15.19 | Turl | the adware on unity? |
| 20:15.28 | Turl | nvm, that's the desktop version :P |
| 20:16.24 | buZz | hmmf can only find press release retypes about ubuntutablet |
| 20:16.31 | buZz | anyone has an indepth article on it? |
| 20:17.06 | Turl | buZz: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet |
| 20:17.12 | buZz | lol |
| 20:17.15 | buZz | no Turl |
| 20:26.39 | eebrah | Turl that is a press release |
| 20:29.40 | RaYmAn | they haven't really done any indepth stuff other than the ubuntu devices page |
| 20:29.45 | RaYmAn | and then of course, one can look at the source. |
| 20:33.42 | buZz | pff digging through ubuntu's mediaforest looking for developer info |
| 20:34.35 | RaYmAn | phablet.ubuntu.com |
| 20:34.56 | hramrach | mediaforest :DD |
| 20:43.25 | mripard | Turl: I wouldn't want to use the dtc preprocessor stuff |
| 20:44.12 | mripard | at least for bindings as simple as the one you're doing |
| 20:44.42 | mripard | but it's great you got something working :) |
| 20:44.56 | mripard | send what you did as follow-up series |
| 20:45.05 | mripard | not part on the one you already submitted |
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| 20:58.20 | Turl | mripard: I don't think it'd be too friendly to read "<&axi_gates 5>" |
| 20:59.10 | Turl | but then it's a write once and never touch thing |
| 21:00.23 | mripard | it's not less friendly than the interrupts number, or pin banks/number, and so on |
| 21:05.54 | Turl | mripard: this is what I got so far, let me know if the dt bindings look right http://sprunge.us/MUNS?diff |
| 21:06.39 | Turl | mripard: also, we opened #linux-sunxi for sunxi specific talk, feel free to join us there :) |
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| 21:22.36 | user135 | hi, I'm following this guide: http://linux-sunxi.org/CWM_on_a_SDCard and I'm trying to locate script.bin for my device, but I don't know where it is. Could anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 21:29.53 | Turl | it's on the nanda partition on nand |
| 21:39.18 | user135 | I'm not sure how to mount that. :/ |
| 21:42.25 | user135 | oh, found it |
| 21:42.27 | user135 | thanks |
| 21:42.28 | user135 | :) |
| 22:17.51 | mripard | Turl: looks great to me |
| 22:18.31 | mripard | but like I was saying previously, i would be great if you could do a v2 of your patches pretty quick, try to focus on that |
| 22:18.44 | mripard | and don't merge the apb1 and gates into it, keep the same features |
| 22:19.01 | mripard | just address gregory's comments, and send it |
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| 22:23.13 | mripard | mdp: you should join #linux-sunxi too :) |
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| 22:23.49 | Turl | mripard: I already squashed the basic apb1 into the early patches, but I think it'll be better, as it's another user of factor clock |
| 22:24.24 | Turl | I'll submit the onecell stuff as a separate patch so the rest can go in sooner |
| 22:24.48 | mripard | yes |
| 22:25.34 | mripard | try to keep your patch series with a fixed feature set as much as possible |
| 22:26.11 | mripard | if you keep adding new features as the reviews continue, it's a nightmare :) |
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