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| 01:49.01 | anunnaki | hey if one is going to cross compile a kernel for arm, what would be the step after patching the kernel? i patched linux 2.6.20 and tried running my compiler on the the entire directory but gave me a message it couldnt because its a directory |
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| 02:33.07 | Gumboot | anunnaki: You tried to do what, exactly? |
| 02:39.10 | anunnaki | all i did so far was applied the patches to it. left the patched files in the directory with it. usually if i were using it for my own machine i would link it to /usr/src/linux but since its for another device im wondering what do i do now |
| 02:40.12 | Gumboot | Normally you cd into that directory and type `make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- uImage` or similar. |
| 02:41.27 | Gumboot | http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps#Building_the_kernel |
| 02:41.44 | Gumboot | Except without the 'git checkout', and possibly a different defconfig. |
| 02:42.49 | anunnaki | ahh ok didnt think it was that simple |
| 02:43.19 | Gumboot | Well you have to get a cross-compiler set up, first. |
| 02:43.28 | Gumboot | I think that's the prefix for the Ubuntu one, anyway. |
| 02:43.35 | Gumboot | Where'd you get your kernel? |
| 02:44.19 | anunnaki | i have my compiler set up and tested it |
| 02:44.33 | anunnaki | let me check |
| 02:46.55 | Gumboot | Those instructions I linked; I think they forgot the 'cd', by the way. |
| 02:47.25 | anunnaki | i think it was kernel.org |
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| 02:47.39 | Gumboot | And what are the patches for? |
| 02:48.10 | Gumboot | You'll need to run some kind of defconfig, or you'll have to manually configure it with menuconfig or something (the latter can be tedious). |
| 02:49.04 | anunnaki | a bunch of different stuff. i have a config file for it |
| 02:49.47 | Gumboot | OK. If you've installed your config then fine. |
| 02:49.50 | anunnaki | a dev gave me the links to all the stuff and basically said knock yourself out. i guess its what needs to go into my device |
| 02:50.02 | Gumboot | Although you usually end up running make oldconfig to clean it up. |
| 02:50.02 | anunnaki | i didnt change the config file yet |
| 02:50.21 | Gumboot | What's your device? |
| 02:50.22 | anunnaki | i just have it in the directory |
| 02:50.44 | anunnaki | motorola q with arm920T |
| 02:51.24 | Gumboot | Bah! Pre-ARMv7. |
| 02:51.56 | anunnaki | yea its armv4 |
| 02:53.30 | anunnaki | its PXA27x which i noticed the patches and config is for the PXA27x |
| 02:54.10 | anunnaki | am i able to delete the .patch files or are they needed for compiling |
| 02:54.23 | Gumboot | Once you've applied them they're junk. |
| 02:54.28 | Gumboot | But you can use them with -R to un-patch them. |
| 02:54.38 | anunnaki | good i want to tidy it up :) |
| 02:54.41 | Gumboot | Saves you deleting the tree and starting again if you decide one of them was a bad idea. |
| 02:56.21 | anunnaki | id just redownload them if somethign didnt work. |
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| 02:56.53 | anunnaki | but the config file was named dot-config. so what do i name it to now? |
| 02:57.23 | Gumboot | .config |
| 02:58.12 | Gumboot | Then I think you need to do `make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- oldconfig` to make sure it's fit for use. |
| 02:58.28 | Gumboot | It might ask you some questions. |
| 02:58.35 | anunnaki | ok because i was confused by the fist line inside the file "automatically genereated make config: dont edit" so i figured it was a "make" file |
| 02:59.30 | Gumboot | It's a configuration for the makefiles, I guess. |
| 03:00.01 | Gumboot | It might not be. It's full of a bunch of lines "XYZ_FOO=y", right? |
| 03:00.12 | anunnaki | it came with the patches i think |
| 03:00.18 | anunnaki | yes |
| 03:00.37 | Gumboot | Then rename it to .config and leave it in the root of the kernel source tree. |
| 03:00.44 | anunnaki | config_arm=y |
| 03:00.51 | Gumboot | That's an important one. |
| 03:02.25 | anunnaki | if only there was a comment that said. "#rename this to .config and place in / :)" i wouldve had this done a week ago |
| 03:05.05 | Gumboot | You don't know that, yet. |
| 03:05.12 | Gumboot | Chances are there'll be a build error. |
| 03:05.24 | anunnaki | oh well ill just try and try again |
| 03:05.40 | anunnaki | way too many patches to type to delete ill jus tleave em |
| 03:05.54 | Gumboot | You might need them again, anyway. |
| 03:06.29 | Gumboot | If things go really badly wrong it's sometimes easier to delete everything and start from scratch. |
| 03:10.32 | anunnaki | well i just ran make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=armv4=softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc-" |
| 03:11.03 | anunnaki | returned with "Makefile:1442: *** mixed implicit and normal rules. Stop. |
| 03:11.10 | anunnaki | idk if thats bad or not hah |
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| 03:14.16 | anunnaki | this guide im reading shows an example where they ran the armv4-softfloa.. coommmand -Wall .c -o and the new name of the file. |
| 03:26.17 | Gumboot | anunnaki: What OS are you running on? |
| 03:28.05 | Gumboot | Complaints about makefile rules normally show up if you're using a non-GNU make, which is rare under Linux. |
| 03:28.12 | Gumboot | But standard everywhere else. |
| 03:37.13 | anunnaki | oh i didnt put the path to it |
| 03:53.11 | anunnaki | hmm that didnt work.. i have different paths to armv4-unknown and armv4-softfloat in /usr/ and /usr/bin |
| 03:59.47 | anunnaki | it must be the wrong path.. i bet its not working b/c i have the wrong path in the kernels Makefile for "CROSS_COMPILE ?= /usr/bin/armv4-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-" |
| 04:04.05 | Gumboot | You can set your own CROSS_COMPILE=whatever on the command line. |
| 04:04.17 | Gumboot | Probably don't need the whole path. |
| 04:04.22 | Gumboot | What's your compiler called? |
| 04:05.00 | Gumboot | somethingsomethingsomething-gcc, right? |
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| 04:06.44 | Gumboot | Well, I'm going to bed, anyway. But if that were the name of your compiler, then `make CROSS_COMPILE=somethingsomethingsomething-` (including the final '-') would be what you'd need on the command line. |
| 04:07.35 | Gumboot | What you have above (which I should have noticed before) is CROSS_COMPILE=armv4=softfloat..., which has two '=' in it. That can't be healthy. |
| 04:10.21 | anunnaki | gumboot its crossdev toolchain |
| 04:10.34 | anunnaki | and that was a typo i did here not in terminal |
| 04:10.51 | Gumboot | damn. |
| 04:10.59 | Gumboot | What's the filename of the cross-compiling gcc? |
| 04:11.04 | anunnaki | armv4-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 04:11.31 | anunnaki | although /usr shows four differetn |
| 04:13.01 | anunnaki | arm-unknown-linux-gnu, arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi, armv4-softfloat-linux-gnueabi, armv4-unknown-linux-gnueabi |
| 04:13.47 | Gumboot | make --version ? |
| 04:13.53 | anunnaki | i ahd problems following the guides to get arm installed till someone told me armv4-softfloat command and then it i was able to install that one |
| 04:14.13 | anunnaki | are you asking the version? or suggesting a command |
| 04:15.16 | anunnaki | version of armv4-softfloat..etc is 4.6.3 |
| 04:16.31 | anunnaki | btw this isnt that important to me just my learning experience project in my attempt to get linux on moto Q. figured ill get to learn qemu/kvm and cross-compiling and patching all in one project :) |
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| 04:22.03 | anunnaki | Gumboot, i see you also hang in Cubieboard. im waiting for them to come back in stock. :) are you familiar with the msp430 board? |
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| 04:27.16 | cheng | what's the problem with msp430? |
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| 04:44.14 | anunnaki | nothing. just seeing if he knew about it.. i want to get one to use with a mk802 eventually down the road |
| 04:45.00 | anunnaki | what do you have highlights for msp430 and pipe in whenever it goes off? |
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| 04:54.14 | rm | "the problem" with msp430 is that it doesn't have as many "shields" as Arduino does |
| 04:54.18 | rm | does it even have any |
| 04:54.52 | rm | yesterday I used an arduino with this http://dx.com/p/lcd-keypad-shield-for-arduino-duemilanove-lcd-1602-118059 |
| 04:55.04 | rm | to make a custom countdown timer |
| 04:55.56 | rm | for $6.9 a 16x2 LCD + 6 buttons, in a package that just snaps-on to the Arduino, no soldering needed |
| 04:56.31 | anunnaki | i just want to use it to add a toggle switch /button |
| 04:56.32 | rm | this would be much more laborious if I had only the MSP430 |
| 04:57.03 | anunnaki | doesnt msp430 have an Arduino chip on it? |
| 04:57.17 | rm | no |
| 04:57.27 | rm | there is no "Arduino chip" |
| 04:57.55 | rm | Arduino uses Atmel microcontrollers, on the other hand MSP430 is afaik indeed the chip name |
| 04:58.03 | rm | but the point is |
| 04:58.31 | anunnaki | oh i thought i this guy on youtube said there was arduino on it or had somethign to put one on it |
| 04:58.58 | anunnaki | oh i thought the board in general was called taht |
| 04:59.08 | rm | board in general is called that |
| 04:59.17 | anunnaki | good thing this isnt #43oh or i would get yelled at haha |
| 04:59.24 | rm | but do you realize the difference between "board" and "chip" |
| 04:59.32 | anunnaki | yeah. |
| 04:59.36 | anunnaki | board is what a chip goes on |
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| 05:04.25 | anunnaki | oh im not looking for anything impressive jsut as long as it works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLH0ISh1PSQ&list=UUSBkylhYGmiswlocVLZl4JQ&index=9 |
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| 07:53.05 | sky770 | I was just curious to know about this: mk802IIIs vs mk808B (and still mk802IIIs is expensive in comparison to 808B) ? |
| 08:04.44 | sky770 | ermm..anyone ^ ? |
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| 09:01.21 | anunnaki | sky770, does 808B have bt |
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| 11:35.06 | buZz | ooooooeeee |
| 11:35.12 | buZz | reads an libv email :D |
| 11:36.02 | sky770 | fire the link buzz :D |
| 11:36.02 | libv | ? |
| 11:36.12 | libv | sky770: linux-sunxi ml |
| 11:36.19 | libv | about our new binary driver repo |
| 11:36.30 | sky770 | : hates to open mail client :| |
| 11:36.31 | sky770 | :D |
| 11:37.05 | sky770 | moreover I need to figure out my email address used for this ml :( |
| 11:37.08 | buZz | libv: ah so this is not about lima code? :( |
| 11:37.18 | sky770 | ^ :D poor buzz |
| 11:37.28 | libv | buZz: no, it is however about code that lima depends on to do REing |
| 11:37.52 | buZz | ok :) |
| 11:37.52 | libv | well, mostly about me fixing issues i run into |
| 11:38.08 | buZz | was wondering if you were going to post new code after the fosdem event |
| 11:38.35 | sky770 | understands the value of patience..buzz go fig. :D |
| 11:38.42 | libv | well, i have been meaning to prove that porting an EGL/GLES app to use X is trivial |
| 11:38.46 | libv | and one thing led to the other |
| 11:39.00 | buZz | sky770: its about 5.6, right? |
| 11:39.05 | buZz | (the value of patience) |
| 11:39.11 | sky770 | :| |
| 11:39.19 | libv | only a minute amount of time was spent on this porting |
| 11:39.23 | buZz | ;) |
| 11:39.28 | buZz | libv: ah ok |
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| 11:47.22 | buZz | libv: in time, will lima support OpenGL beside OpenGL-ES? |
| 11:47.47 | mnemoc | buZz: via mesa |
| 11:48.17 | libv | to the extent that the hw supports it and mesa will emulate things |
| 11:49.41 | buZz | but, does mesa already do this? |
| 11:51.56 | libv | i have no idea, and i also have no intention to implement any of that myself |
| 11:54.16 | mnemoc | lima knows mali, mesa knows gl. perfect couple :) |
| 11:55.57 | mnemoc | wonders if gallium might get in their way |
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| 12:30.21 | Turl | mripard: ping |
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| 12:54.39 | fossxplorer | Hey |
| 12:54.42 | sky770 | :) |
| 12:55.02 | fossxplorer | Are you planning to buy GK802? |
| 12:55.04 | mnemoc | techn_: where did you get i-oink.de's source drop git history? the .git I see is repo-ised, and .repo is missing |
| 12:55.26 | sky770 | yep between mk809II and gk802 ..I dunno am leaning towards the mk809II a bit more* |
| 12:55.49 | mnemoc | fossxplorer: some people here has gk802/hi802 devices already |
| 12:55.53 | sky770 | vivante's in a buggy state ..speaking as of today |
| 12:56.05 | fossxplorer | i see |
| 12:56.20 | sky770 | oh n btw xbmc does have the hw decoding on android going for the mali |
| 12:56.31 | sky770 | don't asking abt nux :D |
| 12:56.32 | fossxplorer | what does mk809II got that's not in mk808B? |
| 12:56.41 | jochensp | mnemoc: it's in the repo folder (without the dot) |
| 12:56.53 | mnemoc | jochensp: oh |
| 12:56.56 | sky770 | hmm....I'll pull you up a link fossxplorer |
| 12:57.03 | fossxplorer | sky770, oh does it? That's good for one of my use cases then |
| 12:57.14 | fossxplorer | cool |
| 12:58.19 | sky770 | http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/02/07/review-of-measy-u2c-rockchip-rk3066-mini-pc-with-built-in-camera/#comment-21243 |
| 12:58.44 | sky770 | ^ now this is not in respect to gk809II but yeah still there's a male* hdmi connector on it so.. :| |
| 12:58.52 | sky770 | mk809* mybad :D |
| 13:00.19 | sky770 | n MTK's wifi is not there in mk802IIIs and mk809II its the ralink 8188CUS (that's the realtek 8188) |
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| 13:12.23 | libv | the mali-400 page could use a lot of work |
| 13:13.22 | libv | what about a Binary_Drivers page, where we also could describe cedarX |
| 13:13.46 | libv | heh, there is even less info about cedarx |
| 13:14.21 | libv | and this chmod 777 shit is really rather unprofessional. |
| 13:15.50 | mnemoc | +1 |
| 13:19.15 | Turl | there's cubieboard stock in miniand, if anyone here was waiting for it |
| 13:36.28 | fossxplorer | sky770, yeah, but you can find MK808B with rockchip wifi to avoid MTK |
| 13:37.07 | fossxplorer | sky770, but i'm confused over what's MK809II vs MK808B. They might be the same? |
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| 13:50.23 | sky770 | brb |
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| 15:01.18 | sky770 | takes a deeeeep breath.....goddamn DX's payment gateway 404's me but payment was confirmed |
| 15:01.22 | sky770 | :D |
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| 15:05.16 | sky770 | yo fossxplorer |
| 15:05.28 | sky770 | srry was in a fix..DX crap |
| 15:19.27 | mnemoc | anyone remembers who brought whitelogger here? |
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| 15:21.40 | rz2k | mnemoc: |
| 15:21.47 | rz2k | need him to leave? |
| 15:22.03 | mnemoc | rz2k: quite the oposite, I want it at #linux-sunxi :p |
| 15:22.20 | rz2k | ping whitequark |
| 15:22.33 | rz2k | whitequark!whitequark@fehu.whitequark.org |
| 15:22.35 | rz2k | this guy |
| 15:22.44 | mnemoc | rz2k: thanks :) |
| 15:23.03 | rz2k | yw |
| 15:24.38 | sky770 | http://minixforums.com/threads/what-would-you-change-for-the-next-neo-box.382/ |
| 15:24.39 | sky770 | :D |
| 15:25.14 | sky770 | tab rk3188 off the shelf up for grabs ...before feb18 :( behind schedule? :( |
| 15:25.40 | sky770 | n that's why I saved some $$ :D ordered myself a mk809II |
| 15:25.49 | sky770 | :| |
| 15:26.24 | sky770 | or cubieboard with an a21/2gig schematics *big green grin* |
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| 15:34.13 | mnemoc | FYI: #linux-sunxi is now publicly logged, and so open for business ;-) |
| 15:35.12 | jochensp | mnemoc: so should the sunxi talks going on over there now? |
| 15:35.30 | rellla | mnemoc: so has any sunxi-discussion moved already? |
| 15:35.47 | mnemoc | rellla: libv is talking with Turl :) |
| 15:36.01 | rellla | private talk ;) |
| 15:36.11 | mnemoc | nah, about mali400 and the wiki |
| 15:36.21 | Turl | mnemoc: maybe you can put a note on /topic |
| 15:36.40 | mnemoc | yes? so we make it official? |
| 15:36.40 | rellla | libv and Turl smells like "nothing for noobs" ;) |
| 15:36.53 | mnemoc | rellla: yet :) |
| 15:37.14 | libv | complaining about the wiki having been filled up with pointless wikipedia content |
| 15:37.24 | libv | instead of useful relevant things |
| 15:37.53 | sky770 | mnemoc :D +1 for #linux-sunxi |
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| 15:44.37 | rellla | whats this command to check a user's last visit? |
| 15:44.58 | mnemoc | !seen rellla |
| 15:45.04 | mnemoc | ~seen rellla |
| 15:45.06 | ibot | rellla is currently on #cubieboard #arm-netbook. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 29s, last said: 'whats this command to check a user's last visit?'. |
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| 15:45.35 | rellla | ~seen rocker |
| 15:45.35 | ibot | rocker <~rocker@114.143.165.59> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 591d 3h 13m 47s ago, saying: 'can anyone help me... what is this?'. |
| 15:45.48 | xxiao | ~seen ibot |
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| 15:46.28 | rellla | wiki-user Rocker here? |
| 15:47.19 | mnemoc | rellla: you should be able to send him an email via the wiki |
| 15:47.49 | rellla | mnemoc: ah, thanks |
| 15:50.12 | WarheadsSE | now has a cubieboard & hackberry in his posession |
| 15:50.52 | mnemoc | donated I hope |
| 15:51.32 | WarheadsSE | I think so? |
| 15:51.43 | WarheadsSE | xenoxaos takes point on all that. |
| 15:51.55 | xenoxaos | yes |
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| 15:52.10 | mnemoc | xenoxaos: are you related to miniand? |
| 15:52.24 | xenoxaos | thats where i got them |
| 15:52.38 | xenoxaos | other than that...no |
| 15:53.28 | mnemoc | xenoxaos: :) |
| 15:54.11 | mnemoc | i was just wondering if I should stop ranting about their null cooperation :p |
| 15:54.22 | xenoxaos | :P |
| 15:54.25 | mnemoc | but it seems I can continue |
| 15:55.00 | xenoxaos | mick sent us a pair of each board gratis |
| 15:55.09 | mnemoc | ah, nice |
| 15:55.15 | mnemoc | +1 for miniand |
| 15:55.27 | xenoxaos | yup |
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| 15:57.10 | hramrach | hello |
| 15:57.25 | hramrach | any progress on finding a working vcs? |
| 15:57.42 | mnemoc | ? |
| 15:58.37 | hramrach | last thing I saw here was some raging about git like 2 days ago |
| 15:59.39 | WarheadsSE | because they don't know how to use it:? |
| 15:59.55 | hramrach | git has warts |
| 16:00.24 | sky770 | erm..is there a rockchip specific channel? |
| 16:00.29 | mnemoc | ranting was only regarding git submodules |
| 16:00.30 | sky770 | here on freenode? :| |
| 16:01.19 | hramrach | basically git is plumbing. it is so shiny and smooth plumbing that nobody bothers to create porcelain that fits on it |
| 16:01.57 | hramrach | but then you get the wtf moment when you realize that no amount of plumbing is going to replace a bathtub and there is non in the git bathroom ;-) |
| 16:16.25 | Turl | hramrach: git has --porcelain |
| 16:16.46 | Turl | which ironically it's what you use when you need git for plumbing :P |
| 16:17.00 | mnemoc | why on earth every .apk/.odex on my stock galaxy nexus has a different sha1 than expected??! |
| 16:17.18 | mnemoc | I've pushed 17 pairs already |
| 16:17.33 | Turl | mnemoc: why don't you give up and just upgrade via fastboot? :) |
| 16:18.16 | hramrach | the question is what uses that --porcelain |
| 16:18.30 | hramrach | never seen tutorial using the higk-level tools |
| 16:18.39 | mnemoc | has scripts using git status --porcelain.... |
| 16:18.53 | hramrach | s/higk/high |
| 16:19.05 | mnemoc | Turl: don't want to lose what I have there |
| 16:19.33 | Turl | mnemoc: as long as you don't issue a fastboot wipe and do not touch the userdata partition you should be fine |
| 16:19.52 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 16:19.56 | mnemoc | sure sure? |
| 16:20.02 | Turl | in other words, do not use the google supplied scripts :p |
| 16:20.04 | Turl | yeah pretty sure |
| 16:20.17 | hramrach | you could script around the warts but git only comes with the warts, not the scripts that hide them |
| 16:20.26 | Turl | do a backup if you want to be extra sure |
| 16:20.35 | Turl | RaYmAn: ^ can you confirm or deny? :p |
| 16:21.06 | mnemoc | I'm on /system/app/F* already |
| 16:21.20 | mnemoc | maybe should just push them all |
| 16:22.13 | Turl | fastbooting system, boot, radio and bootloader should be all you need |
| 16:22.24 | Turl | mnemoc: I bet once you finish all apps, libs md5 will mismatch |
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| 16:32.16 | sky770 | http://youtu.be/C1jiclE_ri4?t=3m4s |
| 16:32.50 | sky770 | ^this is on a mk809II mali 400MP OC'ed to 433mhz, 1.5ghz stable |
| 16:33.02 | sky770 | offcourse an rk3066 under the hood |
| 16:33.41 | sky770 | err 1.6* Ghz |
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| 16:34.44 | mnemoc | Turl: ok. you win |
| 16:38.18 | mnemoc | zumbi: around? |
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| 16:44.45 | rm | http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/02/21/coolship-is-a-89-rockchip-rk3066-android-keyboard-desktop-computer/ |
| 16:44.46 | rm | wheee |
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| 16:46.44 | rm | wow |
| 16:46.51 | rm | and it uses separate CPU-boards |
| 16:46.53 | mnemoc | bfree: we were just talking about you at #linux-sunxi :p |
| 16:47.04 | bfree | I noticed ;) |
| 16:47.09 | mnemoc | *g* |
| 16:47.41 | Turl | rm: EOMA? :p |
| 16:48.29 | mnemoc | there was someone here some weeks ago wanting to make an eoma-based smart keyboard like that |
| 16:48.34 | sky770 | just wrote my 2cents :p |
| 16:48.52 | rm | цудд |
| 16:48.53 | sky770 | yesterday only I came to know about this..on indiegogo |
| 16:48.54 | rm | well * |
| 16:49.06 | sky770 | though onebir was fast enough to ping cnxsoft :D |
| 16:49.27 | rm | as you can see in the video, it is not EOMA |
| 16:49.35 | sky770 | it is kind of |
| 16:49.36 | mnemoc | obviusly |
| 16:49.49 | sky770 | not per se the EOMA we wanted but yeah..the same kind* of* |
| 16:49.52 | sky770 | functionality |
| 16:50.02 | rm | tbh even without the card, this would be cool enough |
| 16:50.04 | mnemoc | better shuts up |
| 16:50.10 | sky770 | if you see the bottom side's pic..they have made aq hatch kind of thingy |
| 16:50.21 | rm | a dual core with VGA output, and the best thing is that the price is not overblown as usual |
| 16:50.22 | sky770 | aq == a* |
| 16:50.28 | sky770 | rm +1 |
| 16:50.54 | sky770 | ok before noone puts it up here..I'll do that :D |
| 16:51.01 | rm | not that this is truly practical, I just like the old-school concept |
| 16:51.07 | sky770 | "erm..nobody would want to sit infront of his 40″ TV while his/her hands on this thing |
| 16:51.07 | sky770 | If we have to maintain the distance..then I suppose an extended HDMI cable only will do the trick. |
| 16:51.07 | sky770 | But if wecan somehow mirror the content from this keyboard/mini pc combo onto our TV’s directly..that will be awesome!" |
| 16:51.11 | rm | but keyboards tend to wear out and get dirty |
| 16:51.41 | libv | i'd buy one if it had an a10 in there |
| 16:52.11 | libv | because i see no reason to go through the motions myself in figuring out how to get working u-boot, kernel, graphics stack... |
| 16:52.28 | sky770 | hmm.. ^ :( |
| 16:52.35 | hramrach | well, mali 400mp4 sounds cool |
| 16:52.45 | rm | fwiw they got some sort of Ubuntu working on that SoC |
| 16:52.59 | hramrach | and wans't thre somebody already hacking some rockchip hdmi sticks? |
| 16:53.00 | rm | perhaps not too difficult to swap a root fs to one of your choosing |
| 16:53.11 | sky770 | nice feature of this onecoolship: "Battery – Build in 300mAh Li-battery to protect the android OS in case of power failure or outage" |
| 16:53.12 | hramrach | maybe differnt chip, though |
| 16:53.28 | rm | it's called PicUntu http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/01/20/picuntu-rockchip-rk3066-linux-distribution-for-mini-pcs-ug802-mk808/ |
| 16:53.34 | rm | and yeah, same chip |
| 16:53.39 | rm | sky770, pft |
| 16:53.54 | mnemoc | somehow the name of the guy sounds familiar. I think he is the person so came to talk about an eoma keyboard |
| 16:53.54 | hramrach | so should be easy to run on this |
| 16:53.58 | rm | missed that... sounds laughable and unnecessary |
| 16:56.14 | sky770 | rm ? |
| 16:56.55 | mnemoc | rm: you mean the smart keyboard or eoma? |
| 16:57.09 | rm | this > "Battery – Build in 300mAh Li-battery to protect the android OS in case of power failure or outage" |
| 16:57.27 | sky770 | yeah..lol :D its fine right there.. |
| 16:57.45 | mnemoc | rm: it's not bad to be able to relocate your computer without powering it down |
| 16:58.19 | mnemoc | or carry it suspended |
| 16:58.23 | sky770 | considering this: that you have to use this infront of your monitor and cannot be used for...suppose infront of a 40" TV :D this is allrigh |
| 16:58.48 | sky770 | so majority of ppl who just want to use it as a makeshift PC will be allright with this |
| 16:59.14 | sky770 | mnemoc: +1 "suspended" functionality :D |
| 16:59.32 | rm | batteries wear out |
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| 16:59.34 | sky770 | though..android doesn't need that :p |
| 16:59.47 | rm | and it adds cost |
| 16:59.54 | sky770 | replaceable and are chargeable |
| 17:00.07 | sky770 | even then if batt(s) die..then you're better off with none :p |
| 17:00.15 | mnemoc | it's probably just a common LiPo |
| 17:00.16 | libv | i rather like that. |
| 17:00.40 | libv | my devices usually go from one power-plug to the other |
| 17:01.00 | sky770 | its my beer talking.. :| |
| 17:01.03 | hramrach | now you need not power off this one |
| 17:01.07 | libv | being able to take this device from the desk monitor to a big tv is a feature |
| 17:01.22 | hramrach | but could be done in software |
| 17:01.36 | mnemoc | battery is simpler |
| 17:02.03 | sky770 | libv: nobody will want to sit directly infront of a huge TV (considering >35" are) :p |
| 17:02.04 | libv | a small battery lasting 10-15 minutes is nice for a device-in-keyboard |
| 17:02.05 | mnemoc | and with 4GB of nand you don't want to hibernate or suspend to disk |
| 17:02.09 | hramrach | yeah, linux is not geared towards that |
| 17:02.21 | hramrach | and the flash memory would wear out with ram snapshots |
| 17:02.29 | mnemoc | battery is simpler :) |
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| 17:03.06 | libv | sky770: as a driver developer i would be rather happy being able to switch monitors without having to have them all in one place and without having to restart the machine from scratch |
| 17:03.08 | hramrach | you can put it at a distance with long cable |
| 17:03.28 | sky770 | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/coolship-an-android-desktop-computer-that-looks-like-a-keyboard?c=home |
| 17:03.36 | sky770 | 100 bucks for 16gb |
| 17:03.37 | sky770 | :/ |
| 17:03.53 | mnemoc | the 16GB thing is a card |
| 17:03.57 | sky770 | http://www.focuswill.com/pic/other/2013-01-24-00-30-201.jpg bottom hatch |
| 17:03.59 | libv | if rk3066 support becomes as good or better than sunxi, i might consider this hw |
| 17:04.10 | sky770 | ^ +1 +1 :D <3 |
| 17:04.18 | libv | but i will not be caught doing legwork on yet another new SoC |
| 17:04.25 | libv | that's a ratrace i will not participate in |
| 17:04.25 | sky770 | would prefer if both of the SoC rule the market.. |
| 17:04.32 | sky770 | SoC(s)* |
| 17:04.59 | mnemoc | libv: it uses a so-dimm cpu module, they might do an allwinner-based one as well :) |
| 17:05.01 | sky770 | yeah.. *sigh* that's true |
| 17:05.25 | libv | mnemoc: yeah, i saw that |
| 17:05.26 | sky770 | mnemoc: you checked out the pic? |
| 17:05.33 | libv | if it had an allwinner a10, i would've bought it |
| 17:05.33 | sky770 | oh.. |
| 17:05.58 | mnemoc | sky770: only read the perks descriptions |
| 17:06.06 | sky770 | I like its keyboard though..its fine...brushed allu finish :| |
| 17:06.07 | sky770 | http://www.focuswill.com/html_info/Gallery-20.html |
| 17:06.24 | sky770 | um? |
| 17:06.31 | hramrach | it is nice thing |
| 17:06.44 | libv | why is there no touchpad integrated in this keyboard? |
| 17:06.59 | hramrach | but what would I do with it? |
| 17:07.19 | hramrach | I already have an ARM racing-snail speed computer |
| 17:07.36 | sky770 | ^ lol |
| 17:07.36 | mnemoc | the nick of the person how came to talk about eoma smart keyboards was Welsh |
| 17:07.38 | hramrach | libv: supposedly there is |
| 17:07.47 | hramrach | but I don't see it on the photos |
| 17:08.04 | libv | i was using this at FOSDEM btw: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Keysonic-ACK-540U-Keyboard-Integrated-Touchpad/dp/B0013DFJA4 |
| 17:08.10 | sky770 | the bottom right corner |
| 17:08.27 | libv | i wipped it out on the train on the ride over as well |
| 17:08.33 | libv | it's about the size of an A4 |
| 17:08.41 | hramrach | that's very little touchapd then |
| 17:08.55 | mnemoc | libv: there is one from thinkpad, very nice construction |
| 17:09.02 | sky770 | yep |
| 17:09.24 | libv | mnemoc: ah, but i am not a trackpoint fan :) |
| 17:09.44 | hramrach | they have touchpad version too |
| 17:09.57 | libv | otherwise yes, that is nice |
| 17:10.44 | hramrach | but currently I am searching for keyboard without numeric block |
| 17:10.46 | hramrach | takes up less space |
| 17:11.07 | hramrach | so far only found some gamer keyboards |
| 17:11.26 | mnemoc | harrow: search for the happy keyboard |
| 17:11.32 | hramrach | they leave out the numeric block to save on switches in cheap models but still quite expensive |
| 17:11.33 | libv | now A10, with VGA, built into an A4 sized device that is about 2CMs high, with full keyboard and a touchpad. That is the perfect machine for demoing lima :) |
| 17:11.40 | mnemoc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Hacking_Keyboard |
| 17:11.51 | sky770 | can anyone explain to me what are they trying to do in this: http://www.focuswill.com/html_info/AirPas-19.html |
| 17:11.53 | sky770 | ? |
| 17:11.55 | libv | 15minute battery is also great, as then the whole thing can be set up before the talk, and you just walk over and plug it in |
| 17:12.58 | sky770 | happy hacking keyboard? :D |
| 17:13.17 | mnemoc | numpad-less keyboard with real keys |
| 17:13.36 | hramrach | sounds nice but will be probably more expensive than the Chinese gaming keyboards |
| 17:13.41 | sky770 | my laptop has it :p |
| 17:14.04 | mnemoc | the closest to real keys on a laptop are the old thinkpads |
| 17:14.20 | mnemoc | sad they killed the last (x220) ... x230 comes with junk keyboard |
| 17:15.28 | sky770 | umm..can I say that the coolship stole the EOMA arch.? |
| 17:15.32 | L84Supper | it wouldn't take much to fit an a10 board inside a keyboard |
| 17:16.13 | sky770 | now they'll be making money off it...I mean again we have the same thing going on in the market..same 'ol companies will crop up n then shit happens.. |
| 17:16.15 | L84Supper | sky770: EOMA is really nothing new, there have been several other failed attempts as well :) |
| 17:16.21 | hramrach | $66 but w/o shippng :s |
| 17:16.50 | mnemoc | hramrach: if you type a lot you'll notice the difference |
| 17:16.51 | sky770 | L84Supper: yeah..that's again true :| |
| 17:16.56 | RITRedbeard | sounds like Kickstarter |
| 17:17.00 | hramrach | plus missing the keys that are between tha main block and numeric block |
| 17:17.01 | sky770 | mnemoc: :D |
| 17:17.14 | RITRedbeard | steal an idea that not many people know about, beg for money, PROFIT!!!!!!! |
| 17:17.15 | sky770 | hramrach: point me to the link for tht $66 source? |
| 17:17.31 | mnemoc | I don't regret the >100E I paid for my das keyboard at all |
| 17:17.40 | hramrach | http://www.ergonomicsmadeeasy.com/store/mini-keyboards/product/happy-hacking-lite-2-keyboard/# |
| 17:17.49 | hramrach | 2 hops from wikipedia |
| 17:18.10 | sky770 | ergonomics.. :| (BAHAHA :D ) |
| 17:18.25 | mnemoc | these are based on the old school ibm keyboards |
| 17:18.31 | sky770 | ^ |
| 17:18.33 | mnemoc | they are about typing, not "ergonomics" |
| 17:19.03 | sky770 | I just saw that cury design of the keys like steps on the stairway |
| 17:19.09 | sky770 | cury == curvy* |
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| 17:19.26 | sky770 | if you look at em from the sides :| |
| 17:20.22 | sky770 | hramrach: aye..zzZZZZ wiki's too much now that ours is laready growing :p |
| 17:21.18 | sky770 | looks like I got to get my keyboard replaced..or better my fingers |
| 17:22.10 | hramrach | zalman zm-k500 comes at that price and lower distributed worldwide but not so nice switches |
| 17:22.50 | hramrach | still has the 'magic sysrq' |
| 17:23.17 | shivansps | mmmm ubuntu touch for tablets released? |
| 17:23.51 | hramrach | well, something or other Ubuntu for tablets |
| 17:23.53 | sky770 | dev preview is out I suppose..er ? |
| 17:24.04 | sky770 | :D |
| 17:24.07 | shivansps | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Step_4_-_Deploying_Image_to_Device |
| 17:24.30 | shivansps | its an image, i was extecting the UI as a pakage so i could install it intro a A10 tablet :P |
| 17:24.53 | hramrach | oh, happy hacking keyboard is using membrane, not even chinese switches |
| 17:25.01 | sky770 | yea..my bad din't refreshed the touch page* for ubuntu :D |
| 17:26.14 | sky770 | shivansps: #ubuntu-phone :D |
| 17:27.51 | hramrach | hehe, the Japanese version happy hacking keyboard would be nice, many extra keys in reachable places |
| 17:28.13 | hramrach | but uses the utterly expensive capacitive switches |
| 17:28.34 | sky770 | capacitive? lol |
| 17:28.53 | sky770 | now..no offence but japanese ppl seem to be extra sensitive :D (just guessing) |
| 17:29.02 | mnemoc | hramrach: if you want a good keyboard, you have to pay a price |
| 17:29.07 | sky770 | aye |
| 17:29.11 | hramrach | yeah, ther eare capacitive key switches |
| 17:29.51 | hramrach | no, the switches are good and simple. the cost is probably due to patent license |
| 17:30.08 | Turl | rm: can you confirm that setting duplex to half (ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex half autoneg off) improves upload speed from the device? |
| 17:32.01 | rm | never tried |
| 17:32.09 | rm | upload speed is awesome for me w/o any tweaks |
| 17:32.12 | rm | 90 mbit/sec |
| 17:32.18 | mnemoc | hramrach: mine has good old mechanical switches :) with natural clicky sound :p |
| 17:36.27 | sky770 | #ubuntu-phone has gone mad :| |
| 17:36.30 | hramrach | buckling spring? |
| 17:36.44 | sky770 | god damn peek'ers :/ |
| 17:37.15 | mnemoc | Turl: now su-bin fails to install :< |
| 17:37.17 | sky770 | yeah..clicky sounds..I had a samsung board quite long ago |
| 17:38.46 | mnemoc | hramrach: they have this things http://computertimes.com/das_keyboard_files/image006.jpg |
| 17:39.23 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: tried it yet? =P |
| 17:39.40 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: tried what? |
| 17:39.54 | RaYmAn | ubuntu phablet |
| 17:40.00 | RaYmAn | there is an n7 preview release |
| 17:40.01 | mnemoc | hramrach: http://www.livingdigitally.net/images/mx_keyswitches.png |
| 17:40.22 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: nah. I prefer to stick with google provided android on my nexuses |
| 17:40.46 | mnemoc | but just lost root on my galaxy nexus :< |
| 17:40.58 | sky770 | #ubuntu-on-air |
| 17:41.13 | sky770 | just don't head over to #ubuntu-phone (full of newbs) |
| 17:41.58 | sky770 | ...on air* for porting to other* devices other than nexusxx |
| 17:42.42 | hramrach | I don't think I have ever seen a real keyboard with MX switches ;-) |
| 17:45.07 | mnemoc | hramrach: i was very fear/doubtful about paying 120E+shipping for a keyboard.... but after two years using it, I'm glad I did |
| 17:49.43 | hramrach | keyboards are typical example of facepalmish hardware design |
| 17:49.57 | hramrach | you either get ergonomic layout or quality switches |
| 17:50.08 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:50.43 | hramrach | not to mention that only Japanese keyboards have the spaceber broken into multiple keys so you can use the space for something at least remotely useful |
| 17:51.09 | hramrach | and only few of the Japanese keyboards still |
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| 18:03.16 | jelly-home | heh, computer in a keyboard http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/02/21/coolship-is-a-89-rockchip-rk3066-android-keyboard-desktop-computer/ |
| 18:03.24 | jelly-home | too bad it's rk3066 |
| 18:03.51 | hramrach | that's not bad |
| 18:04.01 | mnemoc | jelly-home: it's a so-dimm module |
| 18:04.04 | hramrach | there is some rk-buntu |
| 18:04.07 | Turl | mnemoc: 'fails to install' ? |
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| 18:13.29 | mnemoc | Turl: the .zip, but found a "fixed" version that works on 4.2 fine |
| 18:13.38 | mnemoc | so I'm rooted again |
| 18:14.24 | sky770 | hramrach ? rk-buntu? |
| 18:14.32 | sky770 | picuntu ? |
| 18:15.04 | sky770 | oh btw "airpas" is their another product (the company behind this keybaord+minipc combo thingy) |
| 18:15.11 | sky770 | and its quite interesting too |
| 18:15.12 | sky770 | http://www.focuswill.com/html_info/AirPas-19.html |
| 18:15.38 | sky770 | gnight guys~ ^_^ |
| 18:15.46 | sky770 | zzZZZZ.. |
| 18:15.49 | hramrach | yes, picubuntu |
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| 18:16.10 | sky770 | picuntu* |
| 18:16.12 | sky770 | :p |
| 18:16.22 | Turl | mnemoc: you could've just pushed the su binary and installed the app from the market :) |
| 18:16.50 | mnemoc | Turl: good point. i'll do that next time |
| 18:17.09 | jelly-home | so-dimm is, at least, a well known and cheap plug |
| 18:17.18 | hramrach | yes, airpas is very good companion for the keyboard |
| 18:17.31 | hramrach | makes it good to use with the 40"+ TVs |
| 18:17.42 | mnemoc | Turl: weirdly supersu doesn't like superuser's su anymore |
| 18:28.26 | Turl | supersu is proprietary :x |
| 18:29.52 | mnemoc | didn't know superuser was open source. I just asume everything around xda is closed and ego-bound |
| 18:30.12 | mnemoc | switching to superuser |
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| 19:01.09 | hramrach | hehe, google glass |
| 19:01.19 | hramrach | quite scifi and quite expensive |
| 19:01.25 | hramrach | but already possible |
| 19:01.57 | mnemoc | but US-only |
| 19:02.07 | hramrach | I wonder how hard would it be to make own glass server |
| 19:02.45 | hramrach | well, the hardware exists so iether they start selling worldwide or you could get secondhand on e-bay or whereever, eventually |
| 19:03.10 | techn_ | mnemoc: change this to .git directory: http://service.i-onik.de/a10_source_1.5/lichee/repo/projects/linux-3.0.git/ |
| 19:03.24 | hramrach | or a Chinese company makes 'good as original 4xcheaper totally not vialoting any patent' failing all else |
| 19:03.47 | mnemoc | techn_: fixed already. or f in $(grep -l ^../ * | grep -v ^index); do read x < $f; ln -snfv $x $f; done |
| 19:03.48 | techn_ | then you can checkout branch to get codes |
| 19:03.56 | mnemoc | s/or/for/ |
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| 20:44.28 | mnemoc | chromebook pixel is intel again :'( https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_pixel_wifi |
| 20:45.21 | mnemoc | http://chrome.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-chromebook-pixel-for-whats-next.html |
| 20:48.17 | Turl | mnemoc: at least the screen is decent :) |
| 20:49.51 | xenoxaos | that screen is kinda sexy |
| 20:49.57 | xenoxaos | 2560x1700 |
| 20:50.16 | mnemoc | indeed |
| 21:07.25 | mnemoc | Turl: it's just that I wanted the same screen but with the exynos "octa" |
| 21:09.45 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: that'd be damn awesome, heh |
| 21:10.39 | mnemoc | big expectations, big disappointment :| |
| 21:42.27 | zumbi | mnemoc: pong |
| 21:46.08 | mnemoc | zumbi: hi :) wanted to ask if you want/can debian-ize the new sunxi-mali package/repo ... and push it to packages.linux-sunxi.org ? |
| 21:46.39 | mnemoc | zumbi: also, we just opened for business the #linux-sunxi channel |
| 21:46.52 | mnemoc | in the case you wanna join |
| 21:48.37 | mnemoc | techn_: ping |
| 21:53.08 | techn_ | mnemoc: I was about go sleep :) |
| 21:53.16 | mnemoc | techn_: good night :) |
| 21:53.33 | techn_ | good night :) |
| 22:05.11 | zumbi | mnemoc: ack :) |
| 22:09.48 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 22:19.39 | L84Supper | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g8FMob25VZYxbWri2iFB8YiSL8gwF9vKJH3HGxr0xQU/edit?pli=1 |
| 22:20.13 | L84Supper | Ron Minnich posted a paper on the i915 tool if anyone is interested ^^ |
| 22:20.45 | L84Supper | Fast User Interface or Death to Video BIOS or From Kernel to Firmware |
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| 22:21.27 | L84Supper | https://code.google.com/p/i915tool/ http://techland.time.com/2013/02/21/googles-chomebook-pixel-the-chromebook-goes-high-end/ |
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| 22:59.04 | focus_it | is there a way to flash RK3066 dual core on this thing: http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/02/21/coolship-is-a-89-rockchip-rk3066-android-keyboard-desktop-computer/ |
| 23:00.03 | focus_it | I know Rock is not very cooperative on all this. |
| 23:00.55 | mnemoc | probably |
| 23:01.52 | mnemoc | and it uses a so-dimm module, so theoretically can be "upgraded" |
| 23:02.04 | focus_it | Hmm.. I want to PicUntu on it - http://ubuntu.g8.net/ in which case it can add to my long list of ARM gadget collection. |
| 23:04.57 | focus_it | Their website http://www.focuswill.com/ is all Android related - no mention of general support for Linux. I hope they not shoot themselves in the foot with Android only religion. |
| 23:06.58 | focus_it | focuswill - no relation to me :))) |
| 23:09.06 | focus_it | Some of there coincidences are so funny. Display company On Tat, search for that, and you also get Mr. Fuk On Tat |
| 23:09.44 | focus_it | Hong Kong resident |
| 23:15.46 | focus_it | Android keyboard computer - they too raise funds through indiegogo - http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/coolship-an-android-desktop-computer-that-looks-like-a-keyboard |
| 23:17.03 | mnemoc | free advertising and market analysis |
| 23:18.08 | focus_it | mnemoc: indiegogo keep me up thinking - its just too easy compared to all other schemes out there |
| 23:20.13 | focus_it | my aim is to built IoT devices - may be float it on indiegogo? realistically being ee and linux power user is probably not enough - need a lot more Linux |
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| 23:51.24 | traeak | ugh google's stupid targeted ads are creepy |
| 23:55.57 | specing | https://ddg.gg |
| 23:59.39 | mnemoc | specing: whatever that is, times out from here |
