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| 00:15.01 | cobalt60 | hi mnemoc any progress on lapdock? |
| 00:15.35 | cobalt60 | my arm netbook is down, trying to fix now... |
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| 00:17.20 | buZz | cobalt60: what progress on lapdock? |
| 00:17.21 | buZz | i have one |
| 00:17.47 | cobalt60 | u have a lapdock? |
| 00:17.51 | buZz | yes |
| 00:17.58 | buZz | model 100 |
| 00:18.00 | cobalt60 | for what device? |
| 00:18.13 | buZz | first raspi, now cubieboard |
| 00:18.41 | cobalt60 | interesting... |
| 00:18.48 | buZz | i have some documentation |
| 00:18.55 | buZz | http://nurdspace.nl/Lapdock_Laptop |
| 00:19.02 | cobalt60 | thanks! |
| 00:20.21 | cobalt60 | I have Toshiba AC100 |
| 00:20.50 | cobalt60 | I want to replace w/ something a little newer |
| 00:20.59 | buZz | cool |
| 00:21.29 | buZz | AC100 looks much faster than cubieboard ;) |
| 00:22.13 | cobalt60 | yeah I love mine |
| 00:23.04 | cobalt60 | running Ubuntu 12.10 |
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| 00:25.05 | buZz | with unity? |
| 00:25.08 | GeorgeIoak | mnemoc: new card w/new kernel & alip this time == new problem |
| 00:25.21 | buZz | cobalt60: does that AC100 do normal OpenGL 2.0 ? |
| 00:25.27 | GeorgeIoak | http://pastebin.com/gzm9Rpig at the 5sec mark |
| 00:25.35 | buZz | thats something i really miss on Allwinner A10 :( |
| 00:25.42 | cobalt60 | GL-ES 2.0 |
| 00:25.45 | buZz | meh |
| 00:26.09 | cobalt60 | What ARM does full GL? |
| 00:26.11 | buZz | i dont feel like porting all this software to GLES and it seems all wrapper project are pretty idle |
| 00:26.30 | GeorgeIoak | sorry, 31.84 mark |
| 00:26.41 | cobalt60 | I say port it |
| 00:26.59 | buZz | hehe |
| 00:27.03 | cobalt60 | GL seems a little heavy for these types of devices |
| 00:27.03 | buZz | its so muuuuuuch |
| 00:27.35 | GeorgeIoak | seems like sysfs: cannot create duplicate filename '/class/lcd' causes lcd module not to load |
| 00:28.39 | cobalt60 | personally, I think GL-ES is the future |
| 00:29.08 | buZz | well maybe |
| 00:29.13 | buZz | for now i would like a wrapper :P |
| 00:29.15 | buZz | or something |
| 00:29.58 | cobalt60 | Im amazed at how well 3D works on a fanless device with 7 hour battery life |
| 00:38.02 | GeorgeIoak | current fex file is http://pastebin.comzr3NHgwx |
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| 00:43.53 | GeorgeIoak | and the latest .config is http://pastebin.com/Bq6S235R |
| 00:44.13 | buZz | GeorgeIoak: VGA working? :P |
| 00:44.21 | buZz | +did you get |
| 00:45.07 | TestModule | dram_clk = 480 <----wtf |
| 00:45.12 | GeorgeIoak | buZz: I've been going crazy trying to get Mali drivers working I haven't had time to look at VGA |
| 00:45.40 | GeorgeIoak | buZz: I did build up 20 baseboards today though |
| 00:45.49 | buZz | i saw it :P nice work :) |
| 00:46.09 | buZz | which mali drivers? those new experimental ones? |
| 00:46.12 | GeorgeIoak | need to test |
| 00:46.53 | GeorgeIoak | anything really, need video playback, ssvb and i tried the other day and i'm the lucky weird case |
| 00:47.23 | buZz | but you had working VLC right? |
| 00:47.28 | GeorgeIoak | started with a fresh card, new kernel build and alip rootfs but now have a different problem |
| 00:48.17 | GeorgeIoak | had VLC but when we tried to get Mali working it broke VLC so NOTHING worked, 2 days and I lost ground,,,:( |
| 00:49.17 | GeorgeIoak | no sleep too (very little) i have an autistic son and he goes through periods of being up all night pacing |
| 00:49.21 | buZz | yes this new driver is very young |
| 00:49.28 | buZz | i dont know why you want it so badly :P |
| 00:49.47 | buZz | its good that you want to, but it might be not so fruitfull to do right now |
| 00:49.59 | GeorgeIoak | i just needed 720P playback using Chromium |
| 00:50.21 | TestModule | The stock kernel config compiles with ARM EABI? How did I not notice this config setting before. |
| 00:50.33 | GeorgeIoak | Chromium ->mplayer->ffmeg |
| 00:50.38 | buZz | autism is inherited btw ;) |
| 00:50.50 | buZz | and imho the logical evolution of mankind :P |
| 00:50.58 | GeorgeIoak | yeah, i don't like people ;) |
| 00:51.10 | buZz | GeorgeIoak: eh, i dont think 720P in chromium will work on cubieboard |
| 00:51.30 | buZz | PPAPI flash plugin will never ever come with CedarX support |
| 00:51.44 | buZz | also ffmpeg wont get CedarX either |
| 00:51.47 | GeorgeIoak | wasn't told that 2 weeks ago and i thought software decode could handle it but not a chance |
| 00:51.54 | buZz | well |
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| 00:52.01 | buZz | 720P is not always 720P |
| 00:52.14 | buZz | 720P x264 takes more cpu to decode than 720P xvid |
| 00:52.18 | buZz | 720P works on cubieboard |
| 00:52.28 | buZz | eh |
| 00:52.29 | GeorgeIoak | understood. i have somewhat control over what is used on this system |
| 00:52.40 | buZz | what is the aimed purpose? |
| 00:53.17 | GeorgeIoak | kiosk, i was supposed to deliver 10 prototypes today |
| 00:53.36 | GeorgeIoak | i got lvds and touch working so i thought i was doing good |
| 00:54.02 | GeorgeIoak | if i had ever messed with android i might have just tried to make that work |
| 00:54.56 | GeorgeIoak | i kept asking "the person who knows" who i could hire and i never got an answer |
| 00:55.54 | GeorgeIoak | just boot to local html page and allow customer to naigate and play video demo |
| 00:56.07 | GeorgeIoak | r/naigate/navigate |
| 00:56.09 | buZz | ah right |
| 00:56.28 | buZz | i wouldnt use a webbrowser for that, but ok |
| 00:56.45 | buZz | webbrowser need X windows etc, way too much for such a simple purpose |
| 00:56.47 | GeorgeIoak | i wanted to develope a Qt app but no time |
| 00:57.01 | buZz | yeah time is always a bitch |
| 00:57.12 | GeorgeIoak | so i thought just quick web page |
| 00:57.12 | buZz | i would never sell something i havent already made at least once |
| 00:57.47 | GeorgeIoak | i did some awhile back and used RPi but it just played videos which is does really well |
| 00:58.19 | buZz | well navigation between videos is something that could be done on raspi aswell |
| 00:58.19 | GeorgeIoak | biz sucks the past few years so you take what you can get |
| 00:58.21 | TestModule | EABI and AXP drivers are in the stock config for mk802? Is there a reason? |
| 00:59.17 | GeorgeIoak | buZz: no anyone who could whip something up and make a little ? |
| 00:59.40 | GeorgeIoak | know |
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| 01:07.45 | buZz | not really :) |
| 01:08.24 | GeorgeIoak | what's the differnce, CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=y and CONFIG_FB_SUNXI=y, should they both be set=y? |
| 01:09.38 | buZz | hmm let me see |
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| 01:11.04 | buZz | i have both on y yes |
| 01:11.57 | GeorgeIoak | ok, just looking at the config to see if i can figure why i'm getting that error |
| 01:13.22 | GeorgeIoak | maybe this should be set, # CONFIG_LCD_PLATFORM is not set |
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| 01:21.02 | buZz | hmm dont see that in 3.0.57 |
| 01:23.48 | GeorgeIoak | i looked at an older config and it was set like that. i've only done 3.0.57 and today i'm doing r01 or whatever the latest tag is |
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| 01:25.44 | GeorgeIoak | if i do a lsmod the lcd module isn't listed so my guess is this error is causing the lcd module not to load? |
| 01:26.07 | buZz | well i built lcd module into the kernel by pressing 'y' |
| 01:26.18 | buZz | could also just build it as module by pressing 'm' |
| 01:26.20 | buZz | :) |
| 01:26.26 | buZz | menuconfig is nice ;) |
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| 01:29.03 | GeorgeIoak | maybe because in my fex i've got disp_mode=0 and screen0 type=1 and screen1 type=3. maybe i should have disp_mode=4? |
| 01:31.49 | buZz | i dont know which error you are talking about |
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| 01:33.32 | GeorgeIoak | buZz: sysfs: cannot create duplicate filename '/class/lcd' |
| 01:34.05 | GeorgeIoak | http://pastebin.com/gzm9Rpig at the 31.84sec |
| 01:35.01 | buZz | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/issues/113 |
| 01:37.37 | GeorgeIoak | i still boot on the lcd, and since i chaged the fex i now have hdmi and lcd working together but lsmod doesn't show the lcd module |
| 01:37.56 | GeorgeIoak | and it's in /etc/modules |
| 01:38.53 | GeorgeIoak | actually both lcd and hdmi are missing and the order is reversed |
| 01:39.27 | GeorgeIoak | i didn't load sata before, i wonder if that could be throwing something off |
| 01:43.05 | GeorgeIoak | of course i'm not that lucky, just cpufreq_stats, mali_drm, mali, ump |
| 01:47.15 | GeorgeIoak | if i modprobe lcd i get "FATAL: Error inserting lcd (/lib/modules/3.0.57/kernel/drivers/video/backlight/lcd.ko): Operation not permitted" |
| 01:47.34 | GeorgeIoak | something changed in backlight or i added something? |
| 01:50.05 | GeorgeIoak | i see there's a lcd.ko in .../video/sunxi/lcd as well as in .../video/backlight |
| 01:54.16 | buZz | ooo hdmi and lcd working together? |
| 01:54.30 | buZz | mirrored or extended? |
| 01:56.14 | GeorgeIoak | i'll never tell |
| 01:56.29 | GeorgeIoak | i should take a picture |
| 01:57.03 | buZz | lol |
| 01:58.58 | GeorgeIoak | i chose disp_mode=4 so mirrored |
| 02:00.04 | GeorgeIoak | i want to get those damn modules loaded so i can at least test video playback. silly thing was on the last card it just worked, no fuss, no muss |
| 02:03.18 | buZz | then why not go back? |
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| 02:04.44 | GeorgeIoak | because i spent 2 days and hours of ssvb time trying to get it working and we always got software renderer and then for some reason what we did broke cedarx so now that doesn't work either |
| 02:05.33 | GeorgeIoak | so i figured i would start clean and just try mali drivers once just to see if they'll work for me cause ssvb said that it's worked for others |
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| 02:06.45 | GeorgeIoak | i guess i could punt and try to compile vlc w/ cedarx on this new system but then i'm not sure how that would integrate into the kiosk "app" |
| 02:14.54 | GeorgeIoak | ok if i modprobe lcd i see in the log "Unable to create backlight class, errno = -17 |
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| 02:55.33 | TestModule | Hey guys, does this work? https://github.com/eByrd/AllWinstall |
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| 03:21.06 | TestModule | First time i've seen this... is anyone else using GCC 4.7.2? cp: cannot stat `build/sun4i_defconfig-linux/output/lib/modules': No such file or directory |
| 03:21.06 | TestModule | make: *** [/output/mk802_hwpack.tar.xz] Error 1 |
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| 04:39.56 | GeorgeIoak | working on the Mali drivers and wanted to verify the module load order, how can i check that, does lsmod list in order loaded? |
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| 06:37.12 | GeorgeIoak | ssvb: fyi, new card, new kernel compile, rootfs=linaro alip, linux-sunxi.org/Mali400 instructions == SOFTWARE RENDERER ===> :( |
| 06:55.48 | TestModule | In userspace too? |
| 06:56.09 | TestModule | Doesn't the BSP auto-load in correct order? |
| 07:00.36 | GeorgeIoak | i have the module load order in /etc/modules and before i compiled i changed the order in the modules.order file |
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| 07:05.10 | herdingcat | how to erase nand in CB? |
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| 07:18.54 | GeorgeIoak | herdingcat: not sure why you would want to but http://linux-sunxi.org/Sunxi-tools has a nand partitioner tool |
| 07:42.08 | herdingcat | GeorgeIoak, thanks |
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| 13:27.14 | mashku | Hi |
| 13:27.29 | mashku | I have a problem with installing xf86-video-mali driver |
| 13:27.31 | mashku | any help? |
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| 13:56.56 | ZaEarl | libv setting up for his talk at fosdem |
| 14:06.21 | specing | Which room? |
| 14:06.25 | specing | (for stream)? |
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| 14:48.17 | techn_ | http://streaming.fosdem.org/fosdem/k-auditorium.webm.m3u ?? |
| 14:49.57 | techn_ | lol lima is 2% faster than binary driver ;D |
| 14:51.03 | techn_ | oh.. it ended.. question phase started :( |
| 14:54.05 | techn_ | where I can see full video? |
| 14:54.41 | techn_ | libv: Impressive presentation.. atleast last 5mins :p |
| 15:00.08 | ZaEarl | awesome q3a demo |
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| 15:22.50 | NomerUNO | hello all. Who can help me with compile linux kernel (pure linux, not android) for allwinner a10 processor? Device - Ainol Aurora I (china tablet pc). Trouble - Screen is not enable after run tablet. |
| 15:23.10 | NomerUNO | sorry for my bad english |
| 15:25.57 | torindel | NomerUNO: as for your lcd, fix your sys_config1.fex, as for linux kernel you need either crosscompiler for arm or just download something that can run in chroot and compile natively on android or whatever you have there atm |
| 15:26.53 | torindel | current recomended kernel sources are at https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi |
| 15:43.23 | NomerUNO | torindel: I'm so sorry, but what I should write in this config for correctly initialize a display? |
| 15:44.36 | torindel | NomerUNO: that depends on your hardware |
| 15:44.56 | torindel | NomerUNO: if you got any working android setup for your hardware you can extract it from there |
| 15:46.06 | torindel | NomerUNO: you need to confiure at least [disp_init] and [lcd0_para] sections correctly to get lcd working |
| 15:46.17 | NomerUNO | on android config all works well, but a display not work :( |
| 15:47.01 | torindel | NomerUNO: i mean a working android installation where everything works including lcd |
| 15:48.15 | NomerUNO | ok, I check again |
| 15:49.53 | torindel | you can then extract sys_config1.fex from it and apply it to your linux (probably after some fixing) |
| 15:57.32 | gzamboni | techn_ nice presentation |
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| 18:11.57 | techn_ | gzamboni: thank libv :) |
| 18:12.19 | techn_ | but where it can be watched afterwards? |
| 18:23.27 | buZz | i just found the livestreams for fosdem, but havent seen a location for recordings |
| 18:23.37 | buZz | i assume they are recording the streams and will upload later ;) |
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| 18:51.21 | hno | I guess it will be available on video.fosdem.org some time after the event, if the recoding has been saved. |
| 18:54.33 | hno | last year there was a delay of about a week. |
| 19:01.19 | gzamboni | techn_ they will be in http://video.fosdem.org/ Tuesday or wedsnday |
| 19:01.52 | gzamboni | or you can see the broadcast at https://fosdem.org/2013/news/2013-01-31-streaming/ |
| 19:03.26 | gzamboni | Today the guy from free electrons talked about the comunitty thats working on the A10 & A13 |
| 19:04.42 | gzamboni | he said that instead of working the the old model they should use the new clock and device tree model from the 3.7 |
| 19:07.37 | jelly-home | just how many separate communities working on those devices there are? |
| 19:07.57 | gzamboni | Thomas Pettazoni , it was soon after you passed the url |
| 19:08.15 | gzamboni | i think there is only one afaik |
| 19:08.59 | gzamboni | people from here using the linux-sunxi git |
| 19:11.24 | gzamboni | of course afaik people from allwinner dont coperate with the cominity |
| 19:12.36 | gzamboni | anyway, people from free electrons apparently do a great job, i saw some very interesting learning materials at their website |
| 19:13.35 | gzamboni | gotta go eat |
| 19:13.55 | gzamboni | im kind of new into the linux world |
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| 19:19.53 | ZaEarl | mripard of Free Electrons has worked on mainlining support for the A10 |
| 19:20.31 | Turl | gzamboni: they do training and development I think |
| 19:20.39 | gzamboni | i saw that, he ported the pinctrl to the 3.7 |
| 19:22.35 | slapin | hi, all! happy Saturday! |
| 19:22.39 | Turl | so far we have got gpio and basic clocks supported on mainline |
| 19:23.00 | Turl | and LEDs on top of GPIO, but that comes as a plus from mainline already :) |
| 19:23.08 | gzamboni | "ported" , he made the support for the sunxi as its new |
| 19:23.21 | Turl | yes, it's all new code |
| 19:23.26 | Turl | gzamboni: http://linux-sunxi.org/Mainlining_Effort |
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| 19:24.03 | gzamboni | not the ugly gpio, right ? |
| 19:24.25 | gzamboni | well, its ugly but it works, at least using the sys controls |
| 19:24.37 | Turl | nope, it's gpio on top of pinctrl |
| 19:25.15 | Turl | you can see the patches linked there |
| 19:25.37 | gzamboni | yeah, the page is updated, i have seen this wiki mainline effort before |
| 19:26.48 | gzamboni | i thought in making the free electrons course, but i am out of money for the moment. |
| 19:27.44 | gzamboni | im tring to learn without paying. there is already a lot of info an even a free book reference in the free electrons website |
| 19:28.40 | gzamboni | of course i dont think there is those new functionalities of the latest kernels like the pinctrl, device tree and clock |
| 19:29.04 | gzamboni | but i assume i can be up to date checking the major changelogs on the new kernels |
| 19:29.14 | gzamboni | of the new kernels |
| 19:30.18 | Turl | gzamboni: the kernel documentation on Documentation/ is a good read too |
| 19:30.32 | Turl | and learning by looking at other drivers can help too |
| 19:32.46 | Turl | gzamboni: a book on the subject can help you better your understanding of how stuff works on a general level |
| 19:33.23 | Turl | I am reading this one http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Kernel-Development-Robert-Love/dp/0672329468 |
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| 19:38.28 | sky770 | I was wondering if anyone has ever been able to run linux on a tegra 3? |
| 19:39.25 | Turl | RaYmAn: ^ |
| 19:39.46 | sky770 | Say..when ouya finally comes out then will it be truly hackable..? (in terms of OS customization) |
| 19:40.19 | RaYmAn | they haven't really elaborated on it |
| 19:41.22 | RaYmAn | It's generally quite easy to run linux on tegra3 devices, so it should be possible |
| 19:41.25 | sky770 | And also afaik nvidia's own pkg for tegra 3 is somewhat incomplete/broken.. |
| 19:41.49 | sky770 | + the mid finger of linus :D |
| 19:43.03 | RaYmAn | nah, it works now - there was some issues with soname stuff but it's afaik fixed now |
| 19:43.03 | ZaEarl | "quite easy"? is there an x11 driver for tegra? |
| 19:43.13 | RaYmAn | ZaEarl: yes |
| 19:43.33 | RaYmAn | with at last opengl es/egl - not sure what the state of video decoding is atm thouhg |
| 19:43.59 | RaYmAn | s/last/least/ |
| 19:45.18 | sky770 | Screw video decoding:p ~nux on a $99 quadcore box with complete wifi/ethernet/BT..sadly no sata |
| 19:46.19 | sky770 | Tegra 3 isn't that bad in perf. is it? |
| 19:46.28 | RaYmAn | no, it's decent |
| 19:46.42 | RaYmAn | but with quad cortex a15's coming out soon, tegra3 is kind of outdated :P |
| 19:47.04 | sky770 | ^ true :D |
| 19:47.35 | sky770 | Not to mention they burn whole lot of $$ too! |
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| 19:48.34 | swivelgames | Hey guys, anyone know where I can find documentation for sunxi-tools? |
| 19:48.47 | hramrach | I don't think tegra is outdated |
| 19:48.55 | sky770 | Are there any a15 board coming out except armbrix? |
| 19:48.58 | hramrach | they hve different graphics core |
| 19:49.03 | swivelgames | Trying to flash the NAND of my A13 |
| 19:49.25 | sky770 | Which are under $200 * |
| 19:49.45 | RaYmAn | hramrach: cpu wise they are |
| 19:49.46 | hramrach | and it's not so much about CPU but about GPU and VPU when it comes to differences between SoCs |
| 19:49.57 | hramrach | yeah, right |
| 19:50.07 | hramrach | what do you use the CPU for, exactly |
| 19:50.13 | RaYmAn | graphics remains to be seen of course |
| 19:50.15 | swivelgames | Anyone? sunxi-tools documentation? :P |
| 19:50.28 | RaYmAn | well, so far it seems like dual core a15 is kicking tegra3's ass pretty easily |
| 19:50.40 | sky770 | @swivelgames chkout #cubieboard |
| 19:50.47 | hramrach | graphics remains to be seen, yes |
| 19:50.55 | swivelgames | sky770, hahah, thanks :P |
| 19:51.03 | sky770 | Full of sunxi data :D |
| 19:51.27 | RaYmAn | from what I've read, Mali T604 kicks tegra3's ass, but bench vs realworld is always hard to use |
| 19:51.45 | sky770 | ^ |
| 19:51.55 | hramrach | also tgre people try to put driver in kernel |
| 19:52.08 | hramrach | it remains to be seen how much f the driver and how well it works |
| 19:52.43 | RaYmAn | driver in kernel? |
| 19:53.05 | RaYmAn | From what I've read, there has *only* been talk of opening up the 2D part, not the 3D part at all. |
| 19:53.16 | RaYmAn | It was misreported by a lot of online sites though |
| 19:53.39 | hramrach | yeah, the part they have in kernel so far is like fbdev |
| 19:54.00 | hramrach | so if they only waht that that will work but that's lame |
| 19:54.06 | hramrach | even sunxi has that |
| 19:54.14 | RaYmAn | nvidia has only talked about 2D ever |
| 19:54.16 | hramrach | and TI |
| 19:54.31 | sky770 | @rayman he meant: nvidia has merged the tegra's driver into the kernal..well afaik for tegra 4 |
| 19:54.48 | hramrach | it's for tegra2 actually |
| 19:55.02 | hramrach | at least the patches I have seen |
| 19:55.10 | RaYmAn | sky770: so? |
| 19:55.45 | hramrach | swivelgames: what's the problem with flashing? |
| 19:55.50 | RaYmAn | sky770: again, all 2D stuff. It's not that much use. - it might give a better X11 or wayland driver for 2d stuff, but that's about it |
| 19:56.25 | sky770 | Lol..nvidia's hoping to get a +ve feedback from the community after linus (and many others were upset) gave em the mid fingie of eternity |
| 19:56.42 | buZz | nvi-who? |
| 19:56.43 | sky770 | Hmm |
| 19:56.44 | RaYmAn | they were already working on all of this stuff prior to linus |
| 19:57.18 | sky770 | Yep..they did..n that was bs |
| 19:57.31 | sky770 | Typical coporate bs |
| 19:57.41 | sky770 | Corporate* |
| 19:57.48 | hramrach | if they did why is it released only now |
| 19:58.07 | RaYmAn | it takes time |
| 19:58.29 | hramrach | it's not so difficult to stitch together half-working fbdev driver if you can hire a full-time paid developer to do it |
| 19:58.30 | buZz | wait, nvidia released something usefull? |
| 19:58.33 | RaYmAn | They were slowly improving things way before linux bitched |
| 19:58.35 | buZz | not just a binary? |
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| 19:59.16 | hramrach | magic constants probably |
| 19:59.29 | hramrach | so besically decompile of a binary |
| 19:59.36 | buZz | checks osnews |
| 19:59.39 | hramrach | the X11 nv driver was that way |
| 19:59.39 | buZz | hmm nothing there? |
| 19:59.59 | RaYmAn | in the early days of l4t, the x11 driver require a binary kernel module as well as a binary system daemon running - and they had to be compiled for the specific board |
| 20:00.00 | hramrach | it's old news |
| 20:00.14 | hramrach | some basic tegra support is in kernel |
| 20:00.17 | RaYmAn | then they got rid of the kernel module, putting much more stuff into kernel |
| 20:00.18 | RaYmAn | etc |
| 20:01.17 | hramrach | you even have option to select some tegra support in the sunxi kernels |
| 20:01.59 | RaYmAn | the mainline tegra stuff is still mostly useless unless you can live with completely headless and such |
| 20:02.03 | hramrach | RaYmAn: in hte early days of l4t they promised driver and it was not delivered for years |
| 20:02.03 | RaYmAn | but it's improving. |
| 20:02.16 | RaYmAn | "years" |
| 20:02.18 | RaYmAn | right |
| 20:02.33 | sky770 | hoping that the community should be able to run *nux on ouya |
| 20:03.03 | hramrach | so where is a working LInux distro you can install on a Tegra based device? |
| 20:03.23 | RaYmAn | on nvidia's site. |
| 20:03.52 | hramrach | never seen one there |
| 20:03.58 | sky770 | Read on some random post abt a distro based off ubuntu on tegra 2 |
| 20:03.59 | buZz | https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra |
| 20:04.02 | RaYmAn | you clearly never looked. |
| 20:04.15 | buZz | seems legit |
| 20:04.49 | sky770 | Buzz that's just the binary's link etc no distro :¦ |
| 20:05.06 | buZz | sad |
| 20:05.10 | RaYmAn | sample file system |
| 20:05.12 | RaYmAn | :) |
| 20:05.24 | RaYmAn | "Sample file system (derived from Ubuntu 12.04, "Precise Pangolin")" |
| 20:05.27 | sky770 | Lol..th fs broken HAH |
| 20:05.42 | RaYmAn | It's not going to just run on any old tegra board without modifications. That's just not how the world works. |
| 20:06.24 | buZz | s/the world/nvidia/ |
| 20:06.29 | RaYmAn | it will work on the dev board it's made for |
| 20:06.33 | RaYmAn | more like embedded world |
| 20:06.38 | RaYmAn | at least until devicetree came along |
| 20:06.47 | RaYmAn | sunxi is special because they hacked up their own devicetree style thing |
| 20:07.02 | buZz | its because allwinner loves you |
| 20:07.09 | sky770 | :D |
| 20:07.10 | buZz | almost as much as nvidia hates you |
| 20:07.34 | sky770 | kinda <3 amd |
| 20:07.34 | RaYmAn | oh, I'm sure nvidia hates me |
| 20:07.34 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 20:08.01 | RaYmAn | ponders where the hell he put the image he released for linux on NI Adam all those years ago |
| 20:09.25 | hramrach | RaYmAn: I did look a lot |
| 20:09.27 | TestModule | I used that image on the Gtablet |
| 20:09.30 | TestModule | Rayman |
| 20:09.38 | TestModule | thxyou |
| 20:09.51 | hramrach | but how do you install on any device other than Cardhu and Ventana? |
| 20:10.15 | RaYmAn | it requires the kernel matching the drivers |
| 20:11.34 | RaYmAn | ubuntu added support for nexus 7 recently (not sure if it has gone past beta stage yet, but it works with full accel etc) |
| 20:11.45 | sky770 | Cardhu is actually T30..right? |
| 20:11.52 | RaYmAn | cardhu is tegra3 yes |
| 20:11.57 | RaYmAn | ventana is tegra2. |
| 20:12.04 | sky770 | Hm |
| 20:12.19 | RaYmAn | at the current stage, the drivers are board-agnostic |
| 20:12.22 | RaYmAn | they didn't use to be |
| 20:12.42 | RaYmAn | the kernel just has to have the right interface/driver available for the binary drivers to use |
| 20:13.29 | hramrach | if they are board agnostic why is harmony no longer supported? |
| 20:13.46 | RaYmAn | It's not supported by the kernel and the bootloader they release |
| 20:13.58 | buZz | what is the recommended way of picking a mac address to set as static? |
| 20:14.12 | RaYmAn | if you port the kernel to harmony, you can use the drivers just fine. |
| 20:14.30 | hramrach | well, yeah |
| 20:14.39 | hramrach | without any docs from nVidia |
| 20:14.53 | RaYmAn | sure |
| 20:15.05 | hramrach | not even enough interconnect docs to port drivers for 3rd party devices from one kernel version to anohter |
| 20:15.09 | RaYmAn | I ported a harmony based device to 2.6.36 just fine. |
| 20:15.49 | RaYmAn | I ported 2.6.36 (and later 2.6.39) to NI adam. It was based on the harmony reference design and came with 2.6.32 |
| 20:16.46 | RaYmAn | Lack of docs is just an easy excuse for people to not bother to try. |
| 20:22.36 | RaYmAn | for me, the really interesting part about ouya is whether it will have nvflash available |
| 20:22.50 | RaYmAn | unbrickability and easy reformatting etc is awesome |
| 20:23.03 | TestModule | Are there teardowns of theouya yet? |
| 20:23.09 | sky770 | Nope |
| 20:23.21 | RaYmAn | only devs have gotten them and i guess they might not be allowed to? |
| 20:23.30 | sky770 | just the specs n the dev console has been released |
| 20:23.49 | TestModule | Does anyone know if it will be usb or ac powered? |
| 20:24.32 | sky770 | Nah..I guess nobody will care to try that out on a $800 console..that too for the sake of trying out..u knw |
| 20:24.37 | sky770 | :D |
| 20:24.45 | sky770 | Ac |
| 20:25.46 | RaYmAn | I guess i should try and poke some of my friends at Unity Technologies, I hear they comited to supporting it so I guess they have one |
| 20:25.58 | sky770 | Oh..there are many vids of ouya's unboxing n the like on tube(if anyone's interested) |
| 20:26.43 | sky770 | @rayman +1 should be interesting :) |
| 20:28.00 | hramrach | RaYmAn: specifically the NI tablet has some driver issues |
| 20:28.18 | hramrach | there is some roms avaialble but none working |
| 20:31.18 | hramrach | maybe ther is just nobody capable working on it |
| 20:36.58 | RaYmAn | hramrach: primarily camera is missing - the rest are mostly working. But yeah, most people can't be bothered working on it anymore |
| 20:38.51 | RaYmAn | I'm not saying it's easy to make these things work, but it's certainly possible. |
| 20:47.54 | gzamboni | Thank you Turl |
| 20:49.30 | gzamboni | i have read some of the documents of the kernel directory but i thinnk i need some general scope. I will buy that book |
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| 21:27.45 | hramrach | RaYmAn: everyhing is possible |
| 21:28.15 | hramrach | but sometimes it's cheaper to buy another device than making a brick work :s |
| 21:29.04 | hramrach | but yeah, the roms have even trivial bugs like devices beaing mounted ro all the time |
| 21:29.53 | hramrach | and everything about android is just annoyig. you can't ahve an AXP driver in kernel, you have to download damn devkit to see the internal flash |
| 21:33.05 | swivelgames | Having some trouble building awflash. Anyone care to help out? :S http://pastebin.com/RfzzT8hD |
| 21:39.00 | hramrach | what does awflash do? |
| 21:40.41 | RaYmAn | is mac officially supported? if not, you'llneed to port it and adapt makefiles etc |
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| 22:14.11 | buZz | i keep getting 'kinteractiveup:38 blocked for more than 120 seconds' on my current linux-sunxi compile |
| 22:14.22 | buZz | anyone has any pointers what might cause that? |
| 22:15.53 | Turl | buZz: what governor are you using? |
| 22:16.54 | buZz | performance |
| 22:19.42 | Turl | buZz: disable interactive from your kernel build |
| 22:20.44 | buZz | the governor? |
| 22:21.41 | TestModule | The mk802 still pops out AXP = * in the config |
| 22:22.12 | Turl | buZz: yes |
| 22:22.41 | buZz | k, just reinstalled debian (and wrote a new tutorial for linux-sunxi.org on it) have to install zillions of packages still :P |
| 22:23.57 | TestModule | linux-sunxi.org |
| 22:24.06 | buZz | http://linux-sunxi.org/Debian_From_Debian |
| 22:24.35 | TestModule | Are you guys using the manual part table reconstruction for nand boot, or a flat out drag/drop lichee |
| 22:24.54 | TestModule | Doing some scripting, figuring out the best way for 3.4 given the lack of certain features to do so |
| 22:25.04 | buZz | i havent used nand |
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| 22:41.30 | hramrach | 3.4 does not boot from nand for me |
| 22:41.47 | hramrach | buZz: now 3 DEbian tuturials :p |
| 22:42.06 | TestModule | It does for me but it's a crap-ton of work. The easy method doesn't. |
| 22:42.25 | buZz | hramrach: isnt it lovely :) |
| 22:42.30 | buZz | more documentation is awesome |
| 22:42.39 | hramrach | not always |
| 22:42.58 | hramrach | like having one tutorial with everything in one place would be more awesome |
| 22:43.16 | TestModule | What we really need is a super easy BSP |
| 22:43.27 | hramrach | TestModule: for me 3.4 locks up after mounting root |
| 22:43.28 | TestModule | like this, where everything is controlled by the config: https://github.com/eByrd/AllWinstall |
| 22:43.45 | TestModule | Did you redo your partition tables to account for everything? |
| 22:43.50 | hramrach | wtf bsp? |
| 22:44.20 | hramrach | TestModule: when the root does not exist it complains it cannot find it and reboots |
| 22:44.26 | TestModule | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-bsp <---bsp |
| 22:44.32 | hramrach | when it does exist it locks up |
| 22:44.45 | TestModule | and you're using the nand uboot? |
| 22:44.48 | buZz | hramrach: feel free to combine the three ;) |
| 22:45.15 | hramrach | TestModule: yes. If I weren't it would not be able to read the kernel from nand, obviously |
| 22:45.27 | TestModule | This is true. |
| 22:46.17 | hramrach | anyway, I don't want bsp whatever it is |
| 22:46.45 | buZz | :) |
| 22:46.47 | hramrach | I want installer image which I write to nand and which installs debian/arch/whatever |
| 22:47.04 | TestModule | Ah, a base. |
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| 22:50.28 | TestModule | This is what i ended up doing, basically: https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/development/topics/boot-ubuntu-lubuntu-from-internal-4g-flash?page=2#post-3046 |
| 22:50.43 | TestModule | Now just scripting is up with some more features. |
| 22:53.50 | hramrach | it does not suffice that everything is controleld by config |
| 22:53.59 | TestModule | ? |
| 22:54.00 | hramrach | kernel build is controlled by configs |
| 22:54.16 | hramrach | many configs don't build or don't boot |
| 22:54.58 | hramrach | for one do we really need highmeme on A10 with 1G ram max? |
| 22:55.09 | hramrach | *highmem |
| 22:55.22 | TestModule | I know, i'm saying for the base idea. defconfig works for most if scripted over bsp. |
| 22:55.49 | TestModule | Yeh, the AXP is still *'d in devices without one :\ |
| 22:56.54 | Turl | hramrach: yes you do |
| 22:57.04 | Turl | hramrach: unless you choose 2G split |
| 22:57.16 | TestModule | I just wish compcache / ZRAM was an option. |
| 22:57.26 | TestModule | *'d |
| 23:00.16 | hramrach | and what's the problem with 2G split? |
| 23:02.15 | Turl | that your apps can't use >2G address space |
| 23:03.18 | TestModule | Has anyone tried to LTO flag and GCC 4.8 compile compatible kernel / modules? |
| 23:05.32 | rm | TestModule, ZRAM works |
| 23:05.37 | rm | swapon -s |
| 23:05.39 | rm | /dev/zram0 partition6553224168-1 |
| 23:06.52 | TestModule | That is great news. |
| 23:07.34 | specing | lejonet: Have you managed to get Gentoo running on your A10 board already? |
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| 23:17.27 | hramrach | get to the same point with 3.0 as I get with 3.4 |
| 23:17.30 | hramrach | http://paste.debian.net/231294/ |
| 23:17.42 | hramrach | maybe bad idea to use ext4? |
| 23:18.48 | specing | just make sure to -O ^has_journal |
| 23:22.20 | hramrach | specing: http://paste.debian.net/231295/ |
| 23:24.30 | specing | journalling is bad for flash, mmkay? |
| 23:42.38 | TestModule | These? http://oldpapyrus.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/tune-ext4-for-the-best-performance/ |
| 23:46.26 | lejonet | specing: I haven't had any time to try :( |
| 23:47.24 | specing | ARRRGHH lejonet |
| 23:47.45 | specing | slaps lejonet around |
| 23:47.56 | lejonet | specing: blame my teachers for giving us 1c823982345 assignments each week |
| 23:49.08 | specing | Well |
| 23:49.40 | specing | In other news I finaly got LXC virtio to work and booted an ARMv5tel Gentoo on an amd64 kernel, tehehe |
| 23:50.08 | lejonet | nice :D |