IRC log for #arm-netbook on 20130130

00:01.25mnemocno leds?
00:01.54hramrachspeaking of fex
00:02.08WarheadsSEmeh, didn't mes with them :P
00:02.15WarheadsSEI'll update it later
00:02.40hramrachthe one shipped on cubieboard is somewhat differnt from the one I got from a10-boards
00:03.20mnemoca10-boards is maintained by cnxsoft
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00:03.52mnemocwe have one called sunxi-boards
00:04.09mnemocstill need to implement support for variants (.patch)
00:04.27hramrachhmm, I wonder where I got the .fex from then
00:06.46mnemocthe one in sunxi-boards is possibly also different from the one shipped
00:11.16hramrachthe one shipped is possibly bogus, too
00:11.57hramrachit definitely hes the bogus empty ethernet power line
00:14.08hramrachyes, I have the one from sunxi-boards
00:28.05TestModuleIs it recommended to edit the defconfig or kconfig?
00:28.21TestModuleIn terms of which one is the recommended choice
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01:05.03hramrachhmm I guess I gave it long enough
01:05.16hramrachthe kernel is loaded and locks up/crashes/whatever
01:08.12hramrachhttp://paste.debian.net/230313/
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02:12.14TestModuleCan someone commit the 1gb mk 802 ? The regular one sets you up for 512 on the bsp.
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10:42.27hramrachhehe, glossy vs matte display debate solved for good http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/31/invisible-glass-could-reduce-display-glare-fails-as-food-in-t/
10:43.16hramrachexcept if the patent hoder sare as supportive as they were for e-ink we won't see displays with this for nex 15yrs still :s
10:52.55buZzis there a Mele box with SATA and 1GB ram?
10:53.32hramrachhave no idea
10:53.59hramrachbut since it's 'box' as oppesed to 'stick'
10:54.41buZzi saw the A1000 comes with 512MB
10:55.03buZzhmm A2000 aswell
10:55.21hramrachno point to have more in media player
10:55.33hramrachwhich is what it's maketed as primarily
10:56.07hramrachodd place for sata
10:56.25buZzahh
10:56.25rmbuZz, there is A1000G and A2000G
10:56.29buZzA2000G
10:56.29rmeasily searchable
10:56.32buZzty rm  :)
10:56.47rmbut they seem a bit overpriced
10:57.11buZzyeah ..
10:57.13buZz100 usd
10:57.35hramrach$30 for extra 512M ram :s
10:58.36buZzyeah not so impressive
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10:59.04hramrachwell, you know
10:59.19hramrachthey had to put effort into making a run with differen parts
10:59.36hramrachmaybe even update the PCB to fit extra chip
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11:00.21rmthe best deal is currently the MK802
11:00.31rmfor $35 shipped
11:00.40hramrachthey even put it into a slightly different case
11:00.56rmwith 1GB of RAM; also always in stock from numerous sellers
11:01.03rmadd anything you want via USB
11:01.17buZzrm: i am just hunting for some A10 device that has CVBS by default
11:01.33buZzand SATA would be usefull aswell
11:01.41buZzafaik Mele are the only ones adding SATA?
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11:03.02rmCubieboard as well ^^
11:03.09buZzhehe yes
11:03.19hramrachbut not cvbs
11:03.27buZzCVBS on pins though
11:03.39buZzmaybe i should just make myself a breakout board
11:03.52buZzcubie's formfactor is insane for casedesign
11:03.58buZzconnectors all over the place :S
11:03.59hramrachextra effort but it does have the pins
11:04.15hramrachit has mounting holes
11:05.06lawrence@hramrach - started staff on talking to factories today
11:05.11lawrencere - casing's
11:05.20hramrachso not really a problem to make a case and mount on standoffs or what you call that
11:05.30hramrachnice
11:05.37lawrenceso starting to do bits n bobs.
11:06.00lawrenceand i even got my manager to do some BoM stuff and learn about pcb stuff
11:06.10lawrenceso she can tell others whats needed
11:06.18hramrachmaking your manager do something :o
11:06.24lawrence(manager as in staff manager, not MY manager)
11:06.27lawrencei'm the big boss
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11:06.37hramrachhehe, cool
11:06.40lawrencebut i delegate stuff to her, she delegates to minions
11:06.48lawrenceas dealing with minions can be frustrating in china
11:06.58hramrachchinions
11:07.02lawrenceespecially if you speak chinese, and listen to them on the phone not doing what you asked
11:07.04buZzhramrach: mounting points are not usefull if the only interface to everything is by cableconnector
11:07.19lawrenceso good to have someone else smack them into shape rather than stress all the time ;)
11:07.22buZzlike, why doesnt SATA point to the side?
11:07.37lawrencepfft, like why aren't the pins all one side
11:07.40hramrachbecause it's in a lame place
11:07.41lawrencethats a better one
11:07.52buZzwould just like all connectors on one side
11:07.52lawrencethe board designer needs a smack
11:07.53buZzyeah
11:07.57hramrachbut other than the sata on side
11:07.59lawrencefirst thing i noted
11:08.11lawrenceand its not even a cost decision related issue
11:08.21hramrachyou have external connectors on one side basically
11:08.28lawrenceyup
11:08.29buZzbasically NOT
11:08.30buZz:P
11:08.34lawrencethe sata i can see why
11:08.38buZzpower, left, OTG, right
11:08.40lawrencejust because didn't want it to stick out
11:08.40buZzsata top
11:08.43hramrachexcept one of the audio
11:08.43buZzgpio bottom
11:08.52lawrencebut the gpio on bottom is tres retarded imho
11:08.57hramrachgpio are for extension, not external
11:09.24hramrachwould need larger board to put them on top and make accessible still
11:09.29hramrachtoo much stuff there already
11:09.32lawrenceno
11:09.40lawrencei think would be fine in top, plenty space there
11:09.54hramrachanyway
11:09.55buZzi dont require them on top or any specific side, i just want all connectors on one side of the board
11:09.56lawrenceas you'll use a ribbon cable anyway most times just plugs in
11:09.59buZzlike mele
11:10.03lawrencei agree with buzz
11:10.14lawrencei was just pricing connectors today actually
11:10.19lawrencehdmi is bloody expensive
11:10.28lawrence2.5 - 3rmb for smt mount
11:10.44hramrachmy idea of cubieboard case is make top cover with somewhat recessed holes for the top connectors so you can access them
11:10.57buZzhramrach: did you see my cubie case?
11:11.01lawrencemicro sd is like .4 mao
11:11.18hramrachand removable bottom cover so you can either have the case closed or take it off and wire the gpios
11:11.26buZzhramrach: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40238
11:11.43lawrencecheck that loz guys comment though ;)
11:11.57hramrachhmm
11:11.58buZzhehe yeah
11:12.00lawrencesata -> 2/3mm less around is ok
11:12.02buZzits a tight fit
11:12.09lawrencei had to file it. just saying
11:12.17buZzit would have helped if cubieboard's drawings where correct ;)
11:12.20lawrenceand hey it was my 2nd print
11:12.28lawrenceso i didn't care about "clean lines"
11:12.29buZzlawrence: loz = you? :)
11:12.31lawrenceduh
11:12.32lawrenceyes
11:12.35lawrence:)
11:12.41buZzcould you upload a photo of your finished print?
11:12.45lawrencei did
11:12.53lawrencebut the silly site won't let me do > 1 image
11:12.56buZzno, the finished :P
11:13.04lawrencebut the silly site won't let me do > 1 image
11:13.05buZzyeah, not for 1 'i made
11:13.08lawrence(thingiverse)
11:13.10buZzjust click it again ;)
11:13.27lawrencei have photos
11:13.31lawrencei geeev u
11:13.33lawrence:)
11:13.38buZzlol sure
11:13.44buZzmess with the metadata ;)
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11:14.04lawrencehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sheedl/sets/72157632648336414/with/8428282015/
11:14.06lawrencein there
11:14.13lawrencegrab / use what you want
11:14.16hramrachwhat's that extra hole in the bottom for?
11:14.40hramrachlike below SD slot
11:14.51buZzhramrach: space for NAND chip
11:15.06lawrenceoh, buzz i didn't finish the top and
11:15.28hramrachthat does not look like spac for nand chip
11:15.34buZzhuh?
11:15.39lawrenceas the printer is a bit finicky if i turn on the light on the power bar it stops
11:15.42buZzmaybe i am mistaken, which hole do you mean
11:15.43hramrachsmalle r and deeper than the cip
11:15.56buZzlawrence: add a ferrite on your USB cable to printer
11:15.59lawrenceand so i didn't quite finish the top bit print wise
11:16.07hramrachthe one in the bottom around the place where the sd slot is
11:16.15hramrachvery small hole
11:16.24buZzbelow the SD slot?
11:16.31buZzthere is no small hole below SD slot
11:16.35hramrachyeah on the bottom side of the case
11:16.44buZzhttp://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40238
11:16.48hramrachthere is a shadow
11:16.48buZzthose two holes at the end?
11:17.08hramrachno, only one
11:17.10buZzthere are two connectors on that side of the board
11:17.20buZzone has a slightly higher connector
11:17.34buZzthe shallow hole allows space for the higher connector
11:17.49lawrencealso buzz - the ethernet is a bit of a female dog to fit
11:17.58buZzlawrence: yep, its ment that way
11:18.01lawrenceas the metal spacer bits stick out
11:18.05buZzthats why its a Frictionfit case
11:18.18buZzUSB, Ethernet and SATA are what the top holds on to
11:18.19lawrenceso its angle in, but then its tight on the sata, so its a bit arggh fit dammit
11:18.38lawrenceand the tolerance for the sata is too tight imho (as noted)
11:18.40buZzhehe yeah, push in the board when the printer only JUST finished, so the plastic is still a bit soft
11:18.56lawrencemine isn't soft that long, only soft as coming out
11:19.09lawrenceeven with preheated base
11:19.14buZzit should be, PLA over 60 celcius is still moldable
11:19.18lawrenceABS...
11:19.26buZzi never use ABS as it gives me terrible headaches
11:19.27lawrencethere you go, thats the diff :)
11:19.30buZz;)
11:19.36buZzABS should be softer than PLA though
11:19.54lawrencenot when its about 0.8cm up already
11:20.02lawrenceits pretty solid by that stage
11:20.06buZzno its softer
11:20.10lawrenceas thats like 20 min into printing +-
11:20.10buZzyou can always bend ABS
11:20.12buZzPLA just breaks
11:20.15lawrencei didn't time it
11:20.36lawrenceanyway, i did say thx for saving me doing it :)
11:20.43lawrenceso i really can't complain at ALL
11:20.48lawrencethank you thank you thank you :)
11:20.53buZz;)
11:20.57hramrachlawrence: would be interested in some price and weight estimation of a thinkpad case adapted to accept a cubieboard or odroid or olinuxino or whatever
11:21.00lawrencebows graciously
11:21.02buZzits fine, complain all you want :D
11:21.09buZzi dont feel offended ;)
11:21.20lawrencei'm always constructive criticism
11:21.24lawrencenever otherwise
11:21.39buZzi think someday in the future i will design a new case
11:21.44lawrenceeg its kak because 1,2,3,… not its kak
11:21.46buZzbut for now this one fits my purpose
11:21.55hramrachif it can be done with off-the-shelf electronic adaptors that would be really cool
11:21.59lawrencecan't do that in china though, you have to go softly softly
11:22.10buZzhramrach: motorola lapdock is nice ;)
11:22.12lawrenceas telling people here like that, is going to get them all pissed and miffy
11:22.21hramrachbuZz: no, it is not
11:22.25buZzlawrence: yeah i am not chinese :D
11:22.25lawrenceso its always, hey great design, but if we try this next time...
11:22.27buZzhramrach: ok ;)
11:22.31lawrencedutch is easier
11:22.37lawrencestraight to point, no hassle
11:22.37buZzwe are mellow
11:22.39hramrachlame keyboard, lame screen, lame mechanics, the board does not fit inside
11:22.56buZzhramrach: i like the screen, 11" 1366x768 and nice brightness
11:23.12buZzthe keyboard is a bit meh, i agree
11:23.18hramrachyou can get full hd screen in a thinkpad
11:23.18lawrencei'm going for 1920x1080 for 11"
11:23.22buZzbut all the apple fanboys think the keyboard looks great :D
11:23.27buZzlawrence: sweet
11:23.41lawrencejust the eDP bit that worries slightly
11:23.51lawrencebut eDP is DP in a diff format + power so not too hassleish
11:23.57lawrenceand i found DP connectors already
11:24.40hramrachthe problem is that with the board supporting only two display outputs one has to be connected to the internal panel
11:25.00buZztwo display outputs?
11:25.09buZzsimultanious?
11:25.16hramrachand if that's hdmi the one left is VGA/CVBS
11:25.26hramrachyes, some people use it reportedly
11:25.27lawrencei think for a mockup i would do DP + eDP display in 11 + thinkpad 12" case A/B + CD + hinge
11:25.30buZzwhy not connect internal panel with LVDS?
11:25.44lawrenceLVDS panels > $
11:25.47lawrencefor smaller sizes
11:25.53lawrenceand everyone moving to ePD
11:25.55lawrenceeDP
11:26.07lawrenceeDP means no driver board needed too
11:26.14lawrencebut if we need to support hdmi, need to have one
11:26.16hramrachif there was LVDS -> DP adaptor then maybe
11:26.20hramrachbut yuo lose VGA
11:26.21lawrencethere are
11:26.26hramrachso not that good tradeoff
11:26.42hramrachand extra $$ most likely
11:26.43lawrencethere are multi use lcd driver i/c do vga, hdmi, dp … for cheap
11:26.47lawrenceso not that bad
11:27.05buZzbut there is a LVDS driverboard internal to A10
11:27.19lawrenceyeah, but we're trying to not make a laptop
11:27.24lawrenceand make a display
11:27.28lawrencewell, thats initial idea
11:27.31hramrachyes, the adaptors I have seen are wrong way
11:27.34lawrencemaking a laptop would be cheaper
11:27.40lawrenceas the a10 is dirt cheap
11:27.40buZzah ok
11:27.42hramrachDP to anything
11:27.51hramrachor anything to LVDS
11:27.51buZzi would think a thinkpad still is a laptop ;)
11:27.56hramrachnot LVDS to DP
11:28.05lawrencedp -> lvds
11:28.07lawrencehas
11:28.22lawrenceif people need it, there is a chipset that does it generally
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11:28.28lawrenceits not a wierd need, so they're out there
11:28.41hramrachyes but (board) LVDS -> DP (screen)
11:29.16lawrencehonestly, worse case we stick an a10 or similar and screen grab the input, and stick output to lcd
11:29.35lawrenceretarded, but i have seen solutions done like that
11:29.46hramrachand LVDS shares pins with VGA on A10 so no VGA then
11:29.50lawrencei priced out ethernet today
11:29.56lawrenceethernet costs < 5rmb here
11:29.57lawrencecrazy
11:30.02hramrachor maybe cloned with some weird hack
11:30.25lawrence.9 for rj45 header, 3.5 rmb for realtek 100MB ethernet i/c and some misc resistors
11:30.28lawrence< 5rmb...
11:30.36lawrence(assuming on a larger pcb of course)
11:30.55hramrachethernet is cheap
11:30.58lawrenceyeah
11:31.03lawrencei didn't realise just HOW cheap
11:31.17lawrenceand the power draw is quite minot
11:31.19hramrachbut with cubieboard or other board with ethernet all you need is patch cable
11:31.56hramrach<PROTECTED>
11:33.25hramrachif you stick the board someplace in the middle and mount it on piece of 3d printed plastic you can have compatibility with multiple boards
11:34.16lawrencefor now not thinking at ethernet
11:34.16buZzsad thing that you machine will be superthick
11:34.21buZzor you can not use SATA
11:34.36lawrenceas then need something to talk usb -> i2c -> ethernet
11:34.47buZzarduino? :P
11:35.04lawrence1-2rmb usb chip really, but complexity = cost
11:35.17lawrenceand i prefer to walk before i run
11:35.23lawrenceso start simple get that working
11:35.27lawrencethen add complexity
11:35.35lawrenceas too much too soon = failure
11:36.31lawrence@hramrach - we're looking for similar to http://www.paradetech.com/products/hdmidvi-source-products/ps8101t-hdmidvi-level-shifter/
11:36.37lawrenceso hdmi in -> dp out
11:36.55lawrencealthough whatever new chipset they recommend etc etc
11:37.14lawrencethis stuff is all off the shelf so its not hard to get
11:37.29hramrachyes, I guess those are possible
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11:37.44hramrachand you lose HDMI doing that
11:38.01lawrencethere are multiplexors too
11:38.23hramrachdid not think of that
11:38.30hramrachclone only but still cool
11:38.48hramrachand compatible with the dumbest stick
11:38.51lawrenceyup
11:39.18lawrencei would like vga, hdmi, dp input -> screen if possible
11:39.30lawrencealthough vga possibly could lose
11:39.52lawrencebut probably good idea to put on a pcb daughterboard so the hacker community can use if needed
11:40.06lawrence+ appropriate resistors and headers and whatnot
11:40.47hramrachIt would be nice to have HDMI and VGA output and a screen
11:40.55lawrencehttp://www.paradetech.com/products/displayport-interface/dp501-dual-mode-dp-transmitter/
11:41.01lawrencee/DP out
11:41.04lawrenceHDMI / dvi in
11:41.18lawrencespdif audio in
11:41.35lawrence4 lanes - (important) so we can do full hd
11:41.38hramrachshouldn't it be spdif out?
11:42.08lawrencesays in
11:42.12lawrenceand i haven't read datasheet
11:42.19lawrencebut needs some in to do sound
11:42.32lawrencewe'll probably do breakout headers to output for sound
11:42.35hramrachhdmi has sound
11:42.43lawrenceas we're buy that separately probably
11:43.00lawrenceas cheaper to reuse others existing 500,000,000 pcb run of those sort of boards.
11:43.19lawrenceshop smart, shop S Mart
11:43.22lawrenceor something like that
11:43.23lawrence:)
11:43.24hramrachlots of space for pcbs in 11" case
11:43.38lawrenceyes, but i literally can't make it for what i can buy for
11:43.41lawrenceso...
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11:43.59lawrenceits cheaper to buy a ready made than design and make
11:44.26lawrence600mw is pretty good
11:44.42lawrencescreen is about 4-5w
11:44.53lawrenceso <5w current draw at normal use
11:45.02lawrencewhich means battery life better..
11:45.54hramrachis there something that would work for connecting SATA?
11:46.32lawrencefor what?
11:47.03hramrachif you put a board with sata in side like cubieboard
11:47.05lawrencewhoah, the QFP package for the DP501 is like 40-50rmb odd!
11:47.07lawrenceouch
11:47.21hramrachbut the ethernet and usb is thicker than sata
11:47.29hramrachso probably non-issue
11:47.33lawrencemaybe we should do lvds..
11:48.16lawrencesata connectors are cheap
11:48.37lawrencehttp://mf-ele.taobao.com/search.htm?orderType=_hotsell&viewType=grid&baobei_type=&keyword=sata&price1=&price2=
11:48.39lawrenceretail
11:48.41hramrachthe problem with cubieboard is it's really thick
11:48.44lawrence*retail*
11:49.11lawrencesmt headers for sata are cheap enough
11:49.21hramrachso probably won't fit in most 12" laptop cases
11:50.18lawrencei need to get my homework done.
11:50.21lawrencei brought it home
11:50.27lawrencei should photo it :)
11:52.35lawrencemy homework - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheedl/8429865366/in/photostream
11:54.43lawrencei reckon i'm a mere 3-4 months away from my own jamma board based off of a10.
11:55.05lawrencejust need to finish doing the software bits so i can do hardware
12:13.30hramrachnice console part
12:14.18hramrachthe hard part with console design is to realise that 320x200 or 640x480 is enough so you can get away with quite weak hardware then
12:14.59hramrachto drive small screen no overwhelming performance is required
12:15.38hramrachbut even 1280x1024 requires serious memory and interconnect bandwidth
12:20.11lawrencei made myself
12:20.19lawrenceoh, for economy of scale - http://shop35909926.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=a1z10.3.17-1304908216.58.KTPvuF&search=y&viewType=grid&orderType=price&pageNum=2#anchor
12:20.25lawrencethem some keyboards i can buy
12:20.43lawrenceneed to work out ffc pinouts, but thats what a laptop kb costs +-
12:20.55lawrenceeconomies of scale - REUSE
12:21.15lawrenceyou'll also note quite standard sizing too
12:21.21lawrenceas everyone does same..
12:21.28buZzmaybe, if you are going for laptop formfactor, it would be INSANELY AWESOME to use a Unicomp keyboard in it :D
12:21.43buZzyou know, the Buckling Spring kind
12:21.50buZzCLICK CLICK CLICK
12:22.16lawrencealso
12:22.17lawrencehttp://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.17-1304908216.34.hryne8&id=8040054178&
12:22.19Turla keyboard with variants available (ñ :P) would be great
12:22.19lawrencesl300 casing
12:22.24lawrenceibm stlye
12:22.24buZz;)
12:22.29lawrencewill fit ibm kb
12:22.37lawrencethats a 13.3" shell
12:23.01buZzpffff
12:23.04buZztaobao is a mess
12:23.12lawrenceits not for you
12:23.15lawrenceits for me
12:23.16lawrence:)
12:23.18buZzthey use 3 different hosts for their javascript!
12:23.21lawrenceanyway thats retail
12:23.22buZzcome on man
12:23.29lawrencewe would talk to factory direct
12:23.46lawrencebut 35rmb for a chassis like that with mounting premade would be interesting i think
12:23.51lawrenceif we did go 13.3"
12:24.42lawrenceneeds to look for who makes 11" lappers and find casings..
12:25.33lawrenceif we reused that case, stuck a screen in, used ibm keyboard, make a pcb to do screen + usb + keyboard would still have a build price < $100
12:25.44lawrenceprobably in the $70 odd range even
12:25.53lawrencewhich is interesting
12:25.58lawrenceand thats in low volume
12:26.14lawrencethinkpad a10 :)
12:28.19buZzmaybe one of those ancient Luggable computers would be a fun cubieboard case
12:28.24buZzscreen on CVBS :)
12:28.38buZz10 disk raid array inside
12:31.11lawrencethis is an example of the generic style casings you can get  - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.121.T4U9Cf&scm=1007.77.0.0&id=14335792118&pvid=e9b834cc-0649-47c3-989e-24eb1726f078&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id=
12:31.26lawrencethats crazy pricing though, factory is less
12:31.57lawrencefirst factories spoke to today said min qty is 10k units though, so we're still looking for someone who'll do less
12:32.23lawrencebut thats example of your generic style lapper casing
12:32.26lawrenceOEM style
12:33.11lawrencealthough i am more inclined to to tablet style screen and kb like this style - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w8731983339.47.y5Jd6m&id=17012328268&
12:33.18Turl11" :(
12:33.36buZzlawrence: agreed
12:33.36lawrencesize isn't an issue really
12:33.45lawrenceas long as standard size I can source
12:33.48buZzmake it a tablet, 17" in size
12:33.53lawrenceif we need to do ODM, price +++++++++++$
12:33.53buZzso Turl will be happy
12:33.54buZz:P
12:33.59lawrenceso we pick STANDARD
12:34.02buZz21" ?
12:34.12lawrenceso 8" or 9" or 10" or 11" or 12" or 13" or 15" ...
12:34.14buZz24" tablet .. hmm :)
12:34.18lawrencethem all be standard sizes
12:34.24buZzyarrrr
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12:34.29TurlbuZz: I actually suggested a 15-17 tab once and people laughed :P
12:34.35buZz:P
12:34.38lawrencefor 24" i'd seriously contemplate using the imac chassis
12:34.42buZzTurl: never listen to people ;)
12:34.44lawrenceas i have a line on those
12:34.47Turlbut 11 is too small
12:34.58Turlat least imo
12:35.00lawrencesaid your wife?
12:35.00buZzagreed
12:35.01lawrence;)
12:35.02buZz:D
12:35.08Turllawrence: :P
12:35.23lawrencesies lawrence...
12:41.23lawrenceoh, i see my staff did get some pricing today on stuff
12:41.25lawrencei missed it
12:41.41lawrenceipad style casing 7rmb odd (for panels) 1000 min
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12:41.48lawrencethats cheapest though
12:42.39lawrenceright now i got one of the assistants to start calling factories doing oem/odm and ask what they have, rough pricing, min qty's and stuff
12:42.44lawrenceso i have a better idea
12:42.56lawrencei know roughly, but to know exactly isn't a bad idea either ;)
12:43.17lawrenceand post CNY i can start getting some samples in too
12:44.43vinifmhi, if a chip driver is incompatible with a platform driver, which must be changed?
12:44.51lawrencei'm trying to find some of the more shanzhai style factories, as they do lower volumes, and they'll have more interesting product generally
12:44.58lawrenceas the generic stuff is… generic
12:46.49lawrencevinifm - whichever is easier hehe
12:46.56lawrenceor cheaper
12:48.40vinifmbut a chip driver need to be generic, right?
12:48.56buZzshould be specific to the chip ;)
12:49.08buZzelse i have issues with it being called a driver :D
12:51.48vinifmI refer specifically to enc28j60.c and spi_sunxi.c
12:54.45vinifmENC28j60(Ethernet Controller via spi)
12:55.24Turlenc28j60 is from mainline
12:55.39mnemocand spi bw is crap...
12:55.53mnemocfor ethernet at least
13:01.14lawrencehey - if i can twiddle 2 bits together, thats a ethernet!
13:01.18lawrence:)
13:02.18vinifmanyway, what should I change? enc28j60 or spi_sunxi?
13:02.40Turlvinifm: why do you need to change one of them=
13:02.42Turl?*
13:04.44vinifmbecause a simple if not allow transfers
13:05.08vinifmif(t->tx_buf && t->rx_buf) return -EINVAL;
13:06.51Turlsounds like full duplex not allowed
13:07.31vinifm/ check in the __spi_async if use half duplex
13:09.00vinifmline 812 in spi_sunxi.c
13:09.07hramrachanybody can boot from A10 nand using lychee-dev u-boot ?
13:09.11hramrachwhat kernel?
13:09.26hramrachI am using recent 3.4 and it locks up after mounting root
13:10.01Turlhramrach: 3.0 worked fine last I tested
13:10.15TurlI tested staging not so long ago
13:10.21Turl(android)
13:10.26hramrachI can try building 3.0 as well I guess
13:10.30hramrachno adroid
13:15.05vinifmTurl: i have right, so the comment is wrong. should to be / check in the __spi_async if use full duplex
13:17.54vinifmon the other hand, A13 datasheet say that SPI support full duplex
13:19.13vinifmwtf?
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13:23.53vinifmTurl: *you have right
13:25.10vinifmTurl: ** you have reason
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14:07.55lawrenceturl?
14:08.03lawrencei got your 22" tablet right here - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14379545042
14:08.04lawrence:)
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14:53.20buZzrawr
14:53.53buZzcheap too, just 240 euros?
14:54.17buZzsadly specs doesnt load here
14:54.48buZzi was just playing with this tablet; http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_F5.asp
14:55.06buZzthat thing feels insanely rugged, like a hammer or a drill
15:05.05lawrenceyeah, i use my laptop all the time as a hammer ;)
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15:09.39mnemoclawrence: may I ask what A10-based thing are you going to make?
15:09.52lawrencejamma board
15:10.06lawrencewith sd slot
15:10.08lawrenceand a10
15:10.12mnemocnice
15:10.18lawrencedo an emulation board basically
15:10.31lawrencewith i/o for jamma or usb so its more multifunctional
15:10.54lawrencealready had a meeting with staff today and did costing, other bits
15:11.03lawrenceas the software side getting closer for me to move to hardware
15:11.21lawrenceand i can do it all in head
15:11.24lawrencesniggers
15:11.29mnemoc:)
15:11.31lawrenceforget in-house, its all me baby :)
15:11.39mnemochehehe
15:12.09lawrencei might go kickstarter or similar
15:12.12lawrenceas thats not a bad idea
15:12.31lawrencei just need to sell 1000 units to make it work
15:12.55lawrenceand its all good for me for xp
15:12.57lawrenceand staff
15:13.01lawrenceas they learn
15:13.05lawrenceand learning is good
15:15.07lawrenceand i think i can do it all
15:15.13lawrencewhich is the other bit thats important
15:15.56lawrenceyou and tom did well on cubie :)
15:17.37mnemoci only advocated an idea, they made it :)
15:18.11lawrencecan be done for a lot of chinese soc's
15:18.18lawrenceeg the rk series
15:18.20lawrenceor the hi series
15:21.07mnemoclinux/u-boot sources and gpu libs for linux are a key problem for most
15:21.25lawrencethe ingenix mips stuff is pretty good
15:21.29lawrenceas you get uboot
15:21.35lawrenceyou get .. all
15:22.12w00tc0d3anyone's a server where I might build my Android nightlies on? =/
15:22.12lawrencei can get most stuff really
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15:23.00mnemocstill sad for the death of mips
15:23.15lawrenceits not dead
15:23.22lawrencei also heart mips
15:23.23rz2kingenic started to use gpl-violating stuff some time ago
15:23.45rz2kfor example iTE hdmi convertors used on many tablets dont have opensource drivers
15:24.24lawrencedo you need drivers?
15:24.57rz2kI remember having leaked source code with ingenic credits in headers and driver for iTE hdmi output had 'proprietary and confidential' header :)
15:25.27lawrenceeveryone here does search and replace and replaces GPL with their brand
15:25.34lawrenceits like… fark you guys...
15:25.40lawrenceso i open source it by sticking online
15:25.44lawrencegrrr
15:26.10lawrenceingenic is a lot more open source friendly than others though
15:26.44lawrencei have a couple of bsp's for various chipsets on my openipcam site
15:27.08lawrencegm8126, hi3507, hi3512 / hi35xx
15:27.18rz2kmeh, I just remember when I was playing with JZ 4725b, ingenic was really friendly and gave me everything they got at that point. they were not in tablet business at that time.
15:27.18lawrenceplus pretty much everything winbond
15:27.36lawrencebecause they're 3rd tier, and need to be friendly
15:27.44lawrenceotherwise why use them at all
15:27.50lawrencei like ingenic for that though
15:28.07lawrencei did quite a bit of work on some of their soc stuff last year
15:28.09rz2ktheir public ftp is still alive with that stuff :)
15:28.35lawrenceyup, they're good for that
15:28.41lawrencei've talked to some of them on occasion
15:28.53lawrenceits a small community here
15:29.11lawrenceand a foreigner in the chinese dev forums is enough of a rarity that i'm semi well known
15:29.54lawrencemy staff called up to buy a dev board one time, and the place was like - oh, the laowai works there, right?
15:29.59lawrenceand my staff were shocked
15:30.03lawrencei'm famous ;)
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15:38.25mnemoccelebrity :)
15:40.00lawrenceextremely minor
15:40.04lawrencebut still  :)
15:41.42lawrencei actually caught some of my staff reading my blog the other day
15:41.50lawrencewhich was suprising
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15:58.35rz2kmaking blogs on rare topics will always bring you ton of people, if you have a chance - do it. I posted some reviews/teardowns of chinese stuff (usbee osciloscope clone, xilinx jtag programmer, etc.). I still have page viewes even after a year.
15:59.14mnemoc:D
16:01.59w00tc0d3rz2k: link? :D
16:02.21mnemocgoogle knows :)
16:03.16w00tc0d3NOOO ITS RUSSIAN :(
16:05.59lawrencewait, rz2k - i think i read your russian stuff
16:06.11lawrenceyou did some firmware hacking on the jz elle magazine ebook reader right?
16:08.23lawrenceyes, thats you
16:08.24lawrencehaha
16:08.25lawrencesmall world
16:08.30lawrencevogue...
16:08.34lawrencenot elle
16:08.45lawrencebut yeah, we both did same work on same thing hehe
16:08.58buZzi posted a photo of a Tidalwave computer on flickr
16:09.02buZzkeeps getting favourited :P
16:09.21buZzhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/complete_bastiaan/5284857368/ this one
16:09.44lawrencerz2k, i actually asked you for some of the minios bits i couldn't get hold of and you never replied to me
16:10.13lawrenceabout a year ago hehe
16:10.32buZzlol
16:10.56lawrencecos ingenic wiped off their ftp, and rz2k obviously had the full minios bits
16:11.51lawrencethe worst part about it is that i independently reverse engineered the file formats only to find that rz2k had already done it.
16:12.13lawrenceand had a windows unpack tool
16:14.14w00tc0d3buZz: lol :p
16:14.44buZzhey littl' w00tc0d3
16:14.50buZzhave your OHM ticket yet? ;)
16:15.01w00tc0d3nope :p
16:15.13w00tc0d3:(
16:15.30w00tc0d3and also have yet to disassemble the laptop
16:15.36w00tc0d3I should do it this evening
16:15.50rz2klawrence: yes
16:15.56rz2kvogue jz4725b
16:16.10lawrenceyeah, we repeated the same work independently
16:16.23lawrencei read your russian blog after
16:16.31lawrenceas it popped up googling for some stuff
16:16.35rz2k:)
16:16.37lawrenceonly to find you'd done it already
16:17.33rz2kI dont have minios around anymore, but I you can ask at our mailing list
16:17.46lawrenceis ok, i'm looking at a10 these days hehe
16:18.08rz2khttps://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!forum/vogeeky
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16:18.21lawrenceyeah, all the files gone long time ago though
16:18.42lawrencemy series on that was here -
16:18.43lawrencehttp://www.computersolutions.cn/blog/2012/03/king-of-game-jamma-board-reverse-engineering/
16:18.49rz2katleast some pics are live
16:18.50rz2khttps://sites.google.com/site/vogeeky/
16:18.51rz2k:)
16:19.04lawrencehttp://www.computersolutions.cn/blog/2012/06/jz4755-jamma-board-reverse-engineering-part-2-king-of-game-board/
16:19.13lawrencehttp://www.computersolutions.cn/blog/2012/06/jz4755-jamma-board-reverse-engineering-part-3-king-of-game-board/
16:19.30w00tc0d3hmm
16:19.44w00tc0d3Oppo finder 5 - anyone's experience with it??
16:19.46lawrencei got to the point of being able to unpack images and compile some basics and blat into nand
16:20.09rz2kif you are interested in ingenic stuff, you can ask at #qi-hardware too
16:20.28lawrencei'm ok with a10 at moment
16:20.31lawrencei have phases
16:20.46lawrencereally high interest in something till  i work it out
16:20.46lawrencet
16:20.56lawrencehen next project
16:21.31lawrencethe neogeoX is same hardware
16:21.53lawrencecame close to going back to mips earlier this year, but i already bought cubie so decided only so much time available ;)
16:22.17rz2kby the way, sorry for not answering, I dont remember it unfortunately, might be false spam detect.
16:22.38lawrencei was bad google translate -> russian anyway!
16:22.46lawrence:)
16:23.21lawrenceworld is small though...
16:23.33lawrenceonly a few people do certain things hehe
16:26.40jinzolawrence, the new dual core ingenics would be interesting to look at
16:26.55traeakwhich one?  powervr one?
16:26.59lawrenceright now is just the wrong time to ask for stuff
16:27.04lawrenceneeds to be next month
16:27.12lawrenceeveryone is just preparing to shut down/  go home..
16:27.23jinzotraeak, afaik yes - didn't look into it much
16:27.49jinzoI was poking around because they said they'll produce a dual core in mid 2012, but they delayed
16:28.03lawrencei think the MTK quad core and the HI Quad core probably worth a look
16:28.06traeakjinzo: i've lost a bit of faith in ingenics.  they didn't "get" the success of the dingoo and pissed away what woudl have been their success
16:28.22lawrenceas they'll be about 50-80rmb odd same as the dual or single cores i reckons.
16:28.36lawrenceand the HI can get sources for..
16:29.00lawrenceand the MTK, but the mtk i need to buy a dev kit really to get it
16:29.07jinzotraeak, overall I think things are shaky with the MIPS sell out
16:29.13lawrencealthough i can beg for that and probably get
16:29.37traeakjinzo: possibly, but they have a license...whatever that means
16:29.49jinzoyes I know - but for further developement etc...
16:29.52lawrenceingenic so far is going lowest pricing to get biz
16:30.05rz2klawrence: we have two 'world is small' examples in one - google up nickname 'kmeaw', he was also doing jz4725b with us :)
16:30.12lawrencelike half price of other soc'...
16:30.19traeaki know mips will be buried by all the arm tool development, etc
16:30.34traeakaarm64 may bury the mips perhaps
16:30.56traeakconsidering mips' biggest advantage is that its proven scalable (at least in the 90s)
16:32.07buZzpffffff
16:32.24buZz'developers' that cant even remember where they are running their software
16:32.26buZz....
16:32.36lawrencethe jz stuff is readily available
16:32.37lawrencehttp://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w6984934025.25.U1iXQV&id=15466083442&
16:32.55lawrencei can literally make the board + dev for it ++speed with all that..
16:33.55lawrencei think mips will survive, but as an alternate
16:34.04lawrencearm is where its hip these days.
16:34.30lawrenceeven microsoft has ventured forth into a windows on arm
16:35.26lawrencebut choir, preaching to...
16:36.33buZz:)
16:36.37hramraching.com/products/tablet_pc_F5.asp
16:36.39hramrach15:55:50             buZz | that thing feels insanely rugged, like a hammer or a drill
16:36.41hramraching.com/products/tablet_pc_F5.asp
16:36.43hramrach15:55:50             buZz | that thing feels insanely rugged, like a hammer or a drill
16:36.47buZzhramrach: yes
16:36.49buZz:P
16:37.15lawrencebuzz - thats not a workbech
16:37.16lawrencehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/complete_bastiaan/4505456480/in/photostream
16:37.20buZzwhat?
16:37.23lawrenceyou can still see desk under that
16:37.34lawrence:)
16:37.34buZzhehe
16:37.42buZzyeah i have a better one now
16:38.04lawrencemine totally degrades into mess of parts and pieces
16:38.12lawrencethen i get fedup, toss *EVERYTHNG* into a box
16:38.17lawrenceand start fresh
16:38.27lawrencetakes about 3 weeks before back to normal state
16:38.31lawrenceof mess
16:38.42lawrencebut,i can tell you where anything is, so maybe its ok
16:38.58buZzmy desk at home; http://nurdspace.tk/~buzz/huispano-2013-0-01-20.jpg
16:39.03buZz'desk'
16:39.53lawrenceyea, i said its ikea last time and you were like #$%#%#$%
16:39.55lawrence:)
16:40.26buZz;)
16:40.38buZzits not ikea, its just cheap wood :P
16:41.01hramrachhotos/complete_bastiaan/5284857368/ this one
16:41.01lawrencethats what you alleged last time
16:41.03hramrach17:10:28         lawrence | rz2k, i actually asked hotos/complete_bastiaan/5284857368/ this one
16:41.05hramrach17:10:28         lawrence | rz2k, i actually asked hotos/complete_bastiaan/5284857368/ this one
16:43.25buZzwtf
16:43.55lawrencestalker
16:44.39lawrenceoh wait, no, not even.
16:44.52lawrencehe's pasted your lapper
16:45.04buZzits not a laptop
16:45.13buZzwell there is one behind it
16:45.15lawrenceits a clamshell
16:45.22lawrencelapper enough for me
16:45.37buZznice little DOS machine
16:45.50lawrencei had something like that in a past life many many moons ago
16:46.05lawrencebought it "broken"
16:46.11hramrachmeh, the terminal is acting up
16:46.17hramrachsorry
16:46.18buZzi still have about 5-6 of these machines
16:46.20lawrencestuck new batteries in, sold it 2 weeks later for like 2000% profit
16:46.27buZzgiving them away every now and then
16:46.30lawrenceabout 20 + years ago
16:46.31buZzi dumpsterdived them
16:48.22w00tc0d3buZz: even my desk is not as messy as yours o_O
16:48.34buZzw00tc0d3: yeah you have parents ;)
16:49.10w00tc0d3buZz: You don't want to know how much paper (tests,homework etc) is laying on my desk sometimes o_O
16:49.16w00tc0d3it's a hell to sort out
16:49.44buZzw00tc0d3: yes paper is HORRIBLE
16:49.50buZzi stopped using it some time ago
16:49.55buZzalthough i have some notebooks
16:50.03buZzthey are awesome, infinite batterylife
16:50.14buZzalmost as nice a screen as my eink device
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16:51.20Jef91Anyone know if any stuff has been done towards getting hardware video decoding working on the samsung chromebook chip?
16:52.03buZzwhich chip is it?
16:55.50jinzoexynos something something
16:57.43w00tc0d3jinzo: Exynos 5250?
16:57.46Jef91buZz: its a ARM Mali-T604 (Quad-core) @ 533 - 566MHz
16:57.46Jef91(68 - 72 GFLOPS)
16:57.48Jef91for the GPU
16:58.00Jef91Exynos 5 Dual (or 5250)
16:58.15buZzno, the video decoder
16:58.17jinzoand the prize goes to w00tc0d3 for being soo close.
16:58.19buZzthats not mali
16:58.26jinzoyes, usually video decoder is separate
16:58.33w00tc0d3buZz: it is
16:58.33jinzoVPU (who would've tought!)
16:58.43w00tc0d3Mali-T604 = GPU
16:58.46buZzw00tc0d3: it isnt :P Mali renders 3D
16:59.00w00tc0d3ah
16:59.08buZzhe is asking about accelerated video
16:59.11w00tc0d3I thought you said Mali isn't a GPU :P
16:59.12jinzomaybe the new quad cores have built in video decoder? :P
16:59.14buZznot accelerated 3D
16:59.39Jef91I'm just looking to get improved video playback
16:59.59w00tc0d3does anyone knows a great tutorial for an email server on Debian 7??
17:01.22buZzdelivery? or receiving?
17:01.33w00tc0d3both :p
17:01.41buZztwo different things ;)
17:02.01buZzi never set it up for receiving but supposedly that can be done :P
17:02.10w00tc0d3buZz: dovecot + postfix FYI ;)
17:02.13GeorgeIoakisn't the Exynos just as closed as the Allwinner stuff?
17:02.27mnemoco.o
17:02.30w00tc0d3GeorgeIoak: LOL NO. EXYNOS IS FUCKING HELL
17:02.40buZzhrhr
17:02.41Jef91GeorgeIoak: Most arm devices are closed.
17:02.41w00tc0d3I have a phone with it NEVER AGAIN
17:02.44buZzyou have a exynos?
17:02.49buZzah
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17:03.04buZzdoesnt even know which chip is in his phone
17:03.10buZzsucks :(
17:03.12GeorgeIoakSG2, can't remember what's in it
17:03.19w00tc0d3I hacked my phone :P
17:03.23w00tc0d3GeorgeIoak: Exynos 4210
17:03.32w00tc0d3GeorgeIoak: CyanogenMod is running like shit on it
17:03.38w00tc0d3even my old OMAP3 is quicker with CM
17:03.52buZzah, i have some Qualcomm ...
17:03.53buZzMSM7227
17:03.59GeorgeIoakthat's why i like the i.MX6 line
17:04.06buZzw00tc0d3: tried different CM compiles?
17:04.26buZznot every CM developer seems capable of making truely functioning roms :P
17:04.44jinzoGeorgeIoak, regarding the serious stuff (GPU/VPU) - doesen't look open on i.MX6
17:04.46jinzobut we'll see
17:05.11w00tc0d3buZz: ? Android needs certain interfaces/hals, and Samsung differs a lot of the standards. This developer is one with the biggest knowledge of CM. He's a legend lol
17:05.16GeorgeIoaki think there's a better chance i.MX6 opens up that any other part out now
17:05.37w00tc0d3GeorgeIoak: Well, i.MX6 is costing much for what it gives, IIRC
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17:06.10jinzoGeorgeIoak, I think that most of the stuff that was in freescales power is open/or on the way
17:06.17jinzobut the GPU/VPU sercently isn't.
17:06.18GeorgeIoaknot really from the pricing i got from Freescal. the beauty of their part is it's pin compatible up the the quad core
17:06.26jinzo(in their power.)
17:06.28buZzw00tc0d3: for my cheapass android there are at least 6 different developers outputting CM compiles for it
17:06.56w00tc0d3GeorgeIoak: Talking about phones.
17:07.10w00tc0d3buZz: Nobody is skilled enough to take exynos LOL
17:07.22w00tc0d3qcom/TI = heaven
17:07.33w00tc0d3compared to fexynos
17:07.34GeorgeIoakdoes anyone know what video decoding framework chromium uses? i'm looking to try and speed up video playing in Ubuntu
17:07.37buZzwhich phone do you have w00tc0d3 ?
17:07.51w00tc0d3buZz: Samsung Galaxy SIII Gt_i9300
17:07.55w00tc0d3GT-I9300*
17:08.08w00tc0d3that phone is making me cry..
17:08.14w00tc0d3I'd better run stock
17:10.36w00tc0d3let's see my AnTuTu
17:10.39buZzthe CM10.1 thread seems very active on XDA w00tc0d3
17:11.17w00tc0d3I know, buZz, everyone's running CM, but everyone hates Samsung. It's time for Torvalds to give Samsung the 'finger'
17:11.27buZzpff
17:11.40buZzi dont see how that is constructive
17:11.51w00tc0d3buZz: what?
17:12.03w00tc0d3broken hwc, broken gralloc, broken bluetooth, broken camera
17:12.06w00tc0d3dafuq samsung
17:12.20buZzdoes it work in stock?
17:12.25w00tc0d3yes
17:12.36buZzthen its implementation error, fix CM
17:13.08w00tc0d3buZz: ........ Samsung implemented it wrong. They still use Gingerbread code (Gingerbread->ICS->JB)
17:13.26w00tc0d314.7k antutu my phones gives, i.MX6 gives 8k
17:13.49buZzoo benchmark
17:13.51buZzlet me see
17:13.59w00tc0d3but I'll gladly trade my SGS3 for a QCOM/TI/Freescale
17:14.19jinzow00tc0d3, I have a proven HTC Desire here - what's your address? :P
17:14.33w00tc0d3jinzo: proven? :p
17:14.42w00tc0d3what do you mean with that?
17:14.45w00tc0d3intend*
17:15.04jinzow00tc0d3, it works flawlessly for me for the past 2 years or so
17:15.10buZzcould use a faster phone aswell ;)
17:15.21w00tc0d3jinzo: ah
17:15.34w00tc0d3well it can't run JB sadly :(
17:15.52w00tc0d3and designing my own phone seems pretty impossible
17:16.13buZzruns 4.1.2 atm
17:16.24buZzi had 4.2.1 but it was bit flaky
17:16.27w00tc0d3buZz: I run 4.2.1 :)
17:16.41w00tc0d3buZz: what phone do you have? :)
17:16.45buZzthats JB
17:16.49buZzZTE Blade
17:16.52w00tc0d3Freescale i.MX6Q + 1080p screen is a killer
17:16.56w00tc0d3buZz: ah niceeee
17:17.03buZzsupercheap
17:17.11buZz100 euro off-contract
17:17.15w00tc0d3has the i.MX6Q source code laying over here
17:17.37w00tc0d3buZz: :P Well, Jiayu G4 is 121 euro off-contract :P
17:17.44w00tc0d34 Cortex A7 cores
17:17.46w00tc0d3Mali400
17:17.53mnemocis it selling yet?
17:17.54w00tc0d3and 5" screen
17:18.02w00tc0d3mnemoc: hmm, AFAIK not
17:18.04buZzi dont want a 5" screen
17:18.08buZza) i am not blind
17:18.09mnemocthe G3's case is nicer :)
17:18.14buZzb) i dont want a tablet on my ear
17:18.30buZz3" is already too big to my taste
17:18.37w00tc0d3buZz: a) I want to use it as tablet b) it has decent hardware :)
17:18.46buZzah antutu installed
17:18.52buZzi have a tablet for tablet
17:18.57buZzi have a phone for phone
17:19.08w00tc0d3Couldn't we start as community a design for an open source phone?
17:19.14buZzopenmoko?
17:19.14w00tc0d3like cubieboard
17:19.21buZzthey would be happy to have you w00tc0d3
17:19.39buZzthey have an actual opensource phone + design + exchangable motherboards
17:19.57w00tc0d3are they crazy?! http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/e/eb/Neo_front_3.gif
17:20.03w00tc0d3buZz: hehe yeah
17:20.11buZzi mean, this exists
17:20.22w00tc0d3but I mean, open source, and fabricated in CHina (example) and then you can buy :)
17:20.24buZzwhy not help improve it, instead of restarting from scratch
17:20.30buZzw00tc0d3: that IS openmoko
17:20.39w00tc0d3buZz: oO
17:20.41buZzread up
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17:23.40w00tc0d3buZz: I think development of it halted....
17:23.59buZzits mainly focussed on software nowadays, afaik
17:24.04buZzGTA04 isnt that old
17:24.24buZzantutu score of my phone; 2121
17:24.27manoj_ghello, m a curious developer for allwinner a13 based tablet, I am running ubuntu 12.10 with linux-sunxi 3.0.57+, I am not able to change the backlight of tablet, the dmesg (on modprobe lcd) shows error -17, any idea what is it ?
17:25.22buZzman modprobe couldnt tell you?
17:25.51buZzhmm doesnt list them
17:25.58manoj_g@buzz, dint get you...
17:26.02lawrenceuse the src luke
17:26.18xenoxaoslol
17:26.25w00tc0d3buZz: =) Seems cool, but did they even design the mainboard theirselfs? oO
17:26.34buZzof course
17:26.44buZzyou cant have an opensource phone with closedsource hardware
17:27.31w00tc0d3buZz: OMAP3xxx is closed source :p
17:27.39lawrencei wish i could justify a software radio as a dev toy
17:27.57lawrencebut still a bit $$$ for the gnuradio stuff
17:28.13w00tc0d3Something like this: http://nl.farnell.com/freescale-semiconductor/mcimx6q5eym10ac/mpu-i-mx6-quad-1ghz-624fcbga/dp/2253171 with a fitting mainboard and a decent WiFi chip + Camera & GSM module would be nice
17:28.17lawrencegsm haxoring is fun.  i have heard.
17:28.18buZzplays with gnuradio in combination with rtlsdr
17:29.26jammiit'd be awesome, if someone started making completely open-interfaced memristor arrays to be used as fpga equivalents
17:29.31manoj_gsorry to cut in, I suspect there is locking /sys/class by sysfs, the usual methods of echo 0 > /sys/class/acpi_video0/backlight and setpci  dont work; can anybody help?
17:29.38w00tc0d3i think designing a mainvoard isn't fun
17:29.51buZzi still desire some Motorola C123 phones for those osmocom stuffz
17:30.04lawrencemanoj_g go look at the driver source is best
17:30.39lawrencew00tc0d3 - i agree, and given the stuff coming out of uh. china ;) no need really
17:31.18manoj_g@lawrence I did that, and its somewhat vast; anyway, I was hoping someone has same error for backlight
17:31.26buZzlets see what antutu gives on my tablet
17:32.02lawrencemanoj_g i'd also check to see that your gpio's are what the driver expects.
17:32.13lawrencenot uncommon for boards not to do things the right way
17:32.47manoj_g@lawrence makes sense to me, thanks.
17:33.01w00tc0d3buZz: uh this is, yeah uhm, kinda useful: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2686
17:33.26buZznot really
17:33.32buZzthat laptop wont go in production
17:33.40buZzat least not for us mortals
17:34.00lawrencei can look at that, and immediately go oh $$$$
17:34.17w00tc0d3buZz: why not? he clearly says he's making one for himself :)
17:34.19buZzexactly
17:34.24buZzw00tc0d3: yes, ONE
17:34.35buZzthat board would cost >800 usd alone
17:34.38lawrenceyup
17:34.46lawrenceFPGA's gal(ore)
17:34.47lawrence:)
17:34.56lawrenceslight joke there
17:35.06w00tc0d3buZz: it's possible to make 'friends' in the mobile industry ;)
17:35.17buZzi've met bunnie
17:35.19buZzhe's nice
17:35.32buZztablet scores 7629 on antutu
17:35.35w00tc0d3and with the right 'friends' you can do it in production
17:35.44w00tc0d3buZz: which tablet? :)
17:36.12buZzw00tc0d3: archos 80 G9
17:36.31w00tc0d3buZz: my little bro has the same :D
17:36.32buZzomap4460
17:36.37lawrencebunnies board is like kitchen sink no budget issues
17:36.47buZzi used to have the omap4430 version, but RMA'd it
17:36.47lawrencei wish, but never gonna happen for me
17:36.58buZzyeah fancy dreams
17:37.07buZzbut it does show how easy it can be to make your own device
17:37.28buZzprovided you study at MIT for a couple of years and have intimate connections with chinese factories :P
17:37.36lawrencenot necessarily
17:37.39lawrencei can do it
17:37.41buZz;)
17:37.43lawrenceand i don't MIT
17:37.54lawrencechinese is pretty useful
17:37.58lawrenceand some sense
17:37.59buZzwell, i mean, knowledge + connections
17:38.02buZzis all you need
17:38.07lawrenceand the last one, money
17:38.12buZzoh yeah that one
17:38.17buZzi keep forgetting that one :D
17:38.28lawrencebut, you do a few projects, and people start thinking you can do it, so it follows
17:38.38buZzshould land a job with some R&D firm with infinite budget
17:38.38lawrenceso thats not as urgent
17:38.45lawrenceand the crowdsourcing stuff works nicely
17:38.49lawrencefor once
17:38.55buZzlawrence: hehe yeah, go make a chumby!
17:38.56buZz:P
17:38.58buZzhas a chumby
17:39.12lawrencethe sony ones are so cheap here
17:39.16lawrencei can get for 100rmb
17:39.21lawrencebut no source, no nothing
17:39.22buZznice
17:39.31lawrencealthough for parts, its a temptation
17:39.36buZzisnt the source just chumby's source refactored?
17:39.41lawrencediff cpu
17:39.51buZzah ok
17:40.01lawrenceand its sonyt
17:40.03buZzi was thinking
17:40.07lawrencewho are very nice about sharing and caring
17:40.17buZzmaybe i should dump the NAND from cubieboard
17:40.20buZzand put it online
17:40.28buZzjust for public backup
17:40.39lawrencecan stick it on dl.cubieforums.com
17:40.43lawrenceyou want ftp?
17:41.02buZzyou sure about that? ppl might be worried about binary blobs that are included
17:41.09lawrenceits android
17:41.09GeorgeIoakbuzz: what's in your nand
17:41.13buZzstock
17:41.23buZzjust android + uboot, stuff like that
17:41.41buZzon cubieboard ML there are sometimes ppl complaining that they didnt back it up
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17:41.49lawrencethats all open, so i don't see issue
17:42.00GeorgeIoakjust wondering cause why have it if the stock is already posted?
17:42.06buZzbut what would be wise, just dd if=/dev/nand of=bla?
17:42.14buZzGeorgeIoak: nand is not posted
17:42.25buZzthere are images posted which are not on the nand
17:42.28buZz'improvements'
17:42.41GeorgeIoakyou mean different than livesuit img then?
17:42.43lawrencewhat format is MTD using for nand
17:42.53buZzi will check it out shortly
17:43.08buZzshould move to the hackerspace
17:43.12lawrenceas a dump may need bad block bla bla if jffs or similar
17:43.22lawrenceso a dump isn't necessarily a good usage dump
17:43.24lawrenceetc
17:43.26buZzyes
17:43.32buZzthats why i ask ;)
17:43.54lawrencei hate yaffs2 for that
17:43.58lawrencesuch a royal pain
17:44.30ln2.
17:46.12buZzbbiab
17:47.51ln2Cool I don't have to register.  =)
17:48.54ln2I noticed the Rhombus Tech link.  Are you guys associated with the company?
17:49.14mnemoclkcl == rhombus tech
17:49.50GeorgeIoaklawrence: ran into my next hurdle. video playing sucks. mplayer uses 60-70% CPU with 720P and it won't even play smoothly. looks like vlc hasn't been touched since november. what's my options?
17:50.20lawrencebetter off hassling rz2k i think for video bits
17:50.28ln2The user ikcl is RT?
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17:50.39lawrenceor ask mnemoc if he has the vlc compile i saw recently on the mail list
17:51.16mnemocme?
17:51.25lawrenceyou know more than me for stuff
17:51.30lawrencei'm a newbie
17:51.52GeorgeIoakmnemoc: have you compiled vlc?
17:52.01mnemocnever :)
17:52.08ln2What device are you using George?
17:52.13GeorgeIoakany work on video playback?
17:52.15lawrencea10 cubie
17:52.18GeorgeIoakcubieboard
17:52.33ln2Arch Linux?
17:52.46GeorgeIoaklinao desktop
17:53.18ln2If you have a spare SD and time to kill.  Try an Arch install and use the Arch ARM repository to install VLC.
17:53.53GeorgeIoakwould it be quicker to just compile vlc?
17:54.11GeorgeIoaki'm nervous cause i just got lvds and touch screen working on the desktop
17:54.26GeorgeIoakdon't want to have to reinvent the wheel again
17:54.30ln2That depends on a lot of factors.  Arch will be generally faster to begin with.  And the Arch ARM repository packages are optimized for your platform.
17:54.50lawrencegeorge
17:54.53lawrencefollow this - http://linux-sunxi.org/VLC
17:55.11lawrenceshould work for you, as does the cedarx bits
17:55.25lawrencecan you paste your Xorg.0.log somewhere?
17:55.32GeorgeIoakwas looking at that last night but seemed odd that nothing has happened since november
17:55.39lawrencelets check you have mali and cedar in your X
17:55.53ssvbGeorgeIoak: the problem is related to the missing scaling and colorspace conversion acceleration for mplayer, you may try to use Opengl ES or wait for XV extension
17:56.04GeorgeIoakyes i can, let me see if i can still ssh into my board from here
17:56.31GeorgeIoakssvb: i've got a project that needs to ship this week so i'm out of time and sweating like crazy here
17:57.18ln2Doesn't XBMC work perfectly on the Cubie/A10?
17:57.26ln2Do you need to use VLC?
17:57.37lawrencehe needs video that uses cedarx
17:57.45lawrencethat was my initial easiest option thought
17:57.55GeorgeIoakcan't really use xbmc, my project is more like a kiosk so i was thinking chromium browser in --kiosk mode
17:57.59lawrencesuggest something better
17:58.02mnemoche wants his *browser* to play cedarx accelerated videos
17:58.29ln2Ahh theres the trick.  You might be out of luck with the browser idea.
17:59.45GeorgeIoakwas going to develop a Qt app but even less time to do that
17:59.55GeorgeIoakgoing to paste my log in a second
18:00.16ssvbGeorgeIoak: adding "-vf format=rgb32 -vo gl:backend=3" options to mplayer should work to some extent, if you have working gles acceleration in your system
18:00.24lawrencessvb is a good person to ask actually for you george
18:00.33ln2O _ O
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18:01.54lawrencewell for reasons like  https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-sunxifb and
18:01.56ssvbGeorgeIoak: this is far from perfect though, because it performs yuv->rgb conversion on CPU, but at least scaling can be accelerated
18:02.26ssvblawrence: did you manage to get it up and running? ;-)
18:02.43lawrenceyes, but haven't had a chance to do any testing really
18:02.48lawrencebeen working on sdl crap all night
18:03.13ln2If you have room in the project maybe overclock and add a beefy hsf.
18:03.35w00tc0d3buZz: are there any reference i.mx6q mainboards? :)
18:04.04ssvblawrence: ok, just let me know if you encounter any problems
18:04.40ln2What do you guys think about the G-T16R?
18:04.57lawrence@ssvb thx :)
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18:05.17lawrencetoo little too late?
18:05.26lawrence(in reply to Ln2)
18:05.43lawrenceeveryone had a party, and amd forgot to come
18:06.06ln2Possibly.  But do you think people will choose those chips over ARM simply for perfect code compatibility with bigger platforms?
18:06.19lawrencearm already has a huge lead in this
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18:06.30ln2Call me a heretic but I will probably be getting the AMD EOMA-68 card instead of the A10 or freescale one.
18:06.32lawrencepeople aren't going to jump ship unless its cheap
18:06.52GeorgeIoaksorry, hiccup on my end. here's my X log, http://pastebin.com/gTaBHSRT
18:07.17lawrencei can't do pastebin, maybe someone else can check his mali etc drivers are in there and working
18:07.22ln2I hope you are right.  All this competition is making for some really cool devices.  =)
18:08.38GeorgeIoakwhere else to paste lawrence
18:08.42ln2The one thing that has me is that the G-T16R is going to have full 3d acceleration in any OS.  Yes from a binary blob.  But actually working.  Will we get that from an ARM soc in the next year? Two?
18:08.58lawrencebinary blob, oh whoopee
18:09.01lawrencepas
18:09.04lawrencepass
18:09.30ln2GeorgeIoak: Try tny.cz =)
18:09.52lawrencethat isn't blocked, so yeah
18:09.59ln2So you would rather have no 3D at all and flaky video codecs!
18:10.11GeorgeIoakhttp://tny.cz/6496c4f7
18:10.37ln2I am in an ARM channel I guess.  Haha
18:10.45GeorgeIoakabsolutely no 3D needed, just bring up local web pages and play local video files
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18:11.33ln2It's more than 3D that you lose.  It's OpenCL / Acceleration on those 80 cores.
18:12.01GeorgeIoakwhat are all those (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument
18:12.09lawrenceyou have more than i get
18:12.45GeorgeIoakbut i shouldn't need OpenCL either. this is a single purpose unit so i can live without some things for now
18:12.49lawrenceyou're all software decoding from what i can see
18:13.25lawrenceso i'd suggest get MALI etc going, and go EGL /openvg etc as thats slightly more accelerated
18:13.37lawrenceeven though its still 2d should be faster i think
18:13.53lawrencebut i may be wrong
18:13.58lawrencei'd still get that going though
18:14.02GeorgeIoaki was expecting software decoding but i thought the CPU could keep up with 720P and it's not even close to keeping up
18:14.24ln2Thats why I suggested overclocking above.  But that may not be enough.  =(
18:14.52GeorgeIoaki lost that when my system glitched, can you show me again and i can try it now
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18:15.08ln2We probably wont see the AMD EOMA cards for 6+ months so maybe LIMA will be working by then.  Who knows.  ; )
18:15.17lawrence2am here, i'm going to bed unfortunately
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18:15.35GeorgeIoakbefore you go, got a link for me to follow on the mali
18:15.53lawrencefirst, look at https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-sunxifb
18:15.55buZzGeorgeIoak: linux-sunxi.org/VLC <- this works
18:16.00lawrenceget that going, then add in mali
18:16.12GeorgeIoakok, vlc first, then mali
18:16.13lawrenceand hassle ssvb on it ;)
18:16.27GeorgeIoakget some good rest
18:16.41GeorgeIoakssvb: going to be around awhile?
18:16.58ssvbyes, at least for 4 hours
18:17.28w00tc0d3uff
18:17.32w00tc0d3tempted to order an nexus 4
18:17.33GeorgeIoakok, think i'll d/l vlc and start the compile, i think iresd it takes 1.5 hours
18:17.36w00tc0d3:(:(:(:(
18:17.48lawrencegeorge - first do your https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-sunxifb
18:17.48GeorgeIoakr/iresd/i read
18:17.51w00tc0d3but me haz no adress to where me can ship it (in Germany)
18:17.52lawrenceand get going
18:18.04lawrenceshould be slightly faster at least for stuff where it matters
18:18.28GeorgeIoakk thanks, will do
18:19.17ln2w00tc0d3: You should wait for a longer list of compatible Ubuntu Phones.  =)
18:19.37w00tc0d3ln2: nexus is imho good enough =)
18:20.10ln2They have strict compatibility requirements for the kernel to run.  Mostly the bootloader and chipset.
18:20.19ln2Only the Galaxy Nexus is listed as compatible right now.
18:21.21ln2Once they release it next month there will probably be a massive list of working phones within a few hours.  =)
18:22.56lawrenceis ubuntu going to be html5ish style or more andriody
18:23.04lawrenceas i haven't looked at all
18:23.15w00tc0d3dunno
18:23.44GeorgeIoakssvb: ran autogen.sh says i need xorg-macros but not found in apt-get
18:23.49w00tc0d3but Canonical has to get balls. Just design a new HAL system. Base it on GNU/Linux. Use Debian/Arch Linux as examples.
18:24.39lawrenceis definitely going to sleep, any hour now
18:24.56mnemocgood night lawrence
18:24.58ln2Lawrence you are still here!  Haha
18:25.04ln2No its full Ubuntu.  =)
18:25.10ln2No wrapper nonsense.
18:25.48GeorgeIoakis xorg-macros in xutils-dev
18:25.54lawrencegnome?  
18:25.55ssvbGeorgeIoak: check http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400 for the build instructions and the information about installing dependencies
18:26.00ln2I agree w00t but the phones that UP will run on are more than fast enough to run the full Ubuntu.  It might sound like a waste but at least it works.
18:26.09lawrenceyou only need 16G flash to run etc ?  snickers
18:26.11ln2Its a "Tiny Unity".
18:26.18lawrencetiny = 16g?
18:26.22lawrenceone wonders...
18:26.23ssvbGeorgeIoak: it says "apt-get install build-essential autoconf automake make libtool xorg-dev xutils-dev libdrm-dev libdri2-1 libdri2-dev git"
18:26.24lawrence:)
18:26.29ln2No.  The disk space is massive.
18:26.38ln2The interface is a "tinyfied" Unity
18:26.47ln2But you are infact running the full desktop OS.
18:26.59lawrencei just imagine the nand flash use being a tad high
18:27.08GeorgeIoakssvb: k, will follow that
18:27.15lawrencegeorge
18:27.16lawrencehttp://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,30.0.html
18:27.16ln2It will be high.  But its better than Android.
18:27.26lawrenceunfinished, but possibly a little clearer
18:27.27ln2And better than Tizen.  So its all we have.  Haha
18:28.06ln2By "all we have" I mean actually based "mostly" on free software and actually runs native applications.  Not Java / HTML5 crap.
18:28.19lawrencehtml5 stuff isn't bad
18:28.27lawrencei've done neat stuff in sencha
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18:28.55lawrenceits suprising how much you can do these days on mvc stuff in sencha
18:29.16ln2HTML5 can be a beast.  But does anyone really want to port Audacity, KiCAD, GIMP to HTML 5 ect.?
18:29.31lawrenceits not for that
18:29.57lawrenceright tool, right job etc
18:29.59jinzoln2, you could look up the GTK backend (broadway? named, or something like that) that allows rendering in a canvas
18:30.13jinzoso you can run your regular GTK programs in canvas on the web
18:30.25jinzoquite interesting project, don't have time to look it up for you tho.
18:30.35ln2Interesting.  I will look into that.
18:30.57ln2If its as fast as native applications and actually works, that would make Tizen quite competitive with Ubuntu Phone.
18:31.30jinzoI was suprised by the demo.
18:31.59jinzohe opened gimp, and even the gnome browser inside the canvas
18:32.55ln2Maybe it comes down to a question I dont think any of us have the answer for.  Which is.  Does it make sense for all applications to eventually be HTML 5 or its equal?  Does it make sense to do so when mobile CPU's can execute native applications with ease now?
18:33.09GeorgeIoakssvb: do i follow everything on http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400 or sub git clone git://github.com/linux-sunxi/xf86-video-mali.git with yours?
18:33.47ln2If the answer is No then I think we should stop wasting developers time re-writing software for HTML 5 / Java ect. ect.  And now we can run the same software on servers, desktop, laptop, tablet, phones, embedded ect.
18:34.54techn_GeorgeIoak: that is arm's.. ssvb's stuff is ssvb's repo
18:35.44techn_GeorgeIoak: arm implementation has less bugs but poorer performance
18:36.06GeorgeIoakneed performance to run 720P
18:37.13ssvbGeorgeIoak: yes, you are supposed to be able to replace one with another easily
18:37.31ssvbtechn_: which bugs?
18:37.41GeorgeIoakgoing to follow lawrence's notes at, http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,30.0.html
18:37.52techn_ssvb: I have those jumping windows
18:38.28techn_ssvb: I'm still trying to find out where is the problem.. It has something to do with page flipping
18:38.49ssvbtechn_: that's not a bug in X11 DDX, and it also affects xf86-video-mali
18:39.06techn_I havent seen it with xf86-video-mali
18:39.51lawrencemy notes are incomplete, but  a decent enough start to get 90% there
18:40.07ln2lawrence: Are you sure that you are going to sleep?  Haha
18:40.25lawrence2:40am
18:40.41ln2=(
18:40.44lawrencebut my compile just finished, and i need to test something quick quick
18:41.17ssvbtechn_: I have seen it with glmark2-es2 and xf86-video-mali, the screen starts jumping on certain tests
18:43.05techn_ssvb: I can reproduce rendering problems in only 2d rendering (if page flipping is used) when scaling  is disabled
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18:43.11mashkuHi
18:43.19ln2mashku: Hello.  =)
18:43.38mashkuI am trying to make a Debian build for cubieboard
18:43.43ssvbtechn_: it is easier to reproduce without scaler_mode set (I suspect that the display controller is buffering more pixels for scanout to hdmi in this case and it becomes harder to trigger buffer underrun)
18:43.56techn_but with scaling layer enabled page flipping works.. thats why xbmc propably forces scaling layer on
18:44.02mashkudoes it mean I need special bootloader ?/
18:44.25ln2jinzo: I'm really impressed with Broadway.   Thanks for the info!
18:44.37ssvbtechn_: does xbmc use gles?
18:44.53techn_ssvb: yes.. its flicker free on 1080p
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18:47.31ssvbtechn_: does it really have no tearing? can you try it with people.freedesktop.org/~siamashka/files/20130130-tearingtest/tearingtest_480x480.webm ?
18:48.01ssvbtechn_: "yes == uses gles" or "yes == is flicker free"?
18:48.42mashkuI want to install debian on cubieboard, but I have couple of problems, standard debian installer net-inst wont work right ? do I need special bootloader? do I need special kernel? if I prepared rootfs.img with with ext4 on it.. how do I make a bootable sdcard ?
18:49.18ssvbtechn_: in fact, seems like vsync works both with and without scaler_mode
18:51.40techn_ssvb: yes.. I noticed that.. vsync has following sequence: blanking interrupt -> write registers ok register -> registers ok interrupt -> trigger vsync
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18:52.14mnemocmashku: yes, special bootloader and special kernel
18:52.29mnemocmashku: google a bit, there is plenty info
18:52.41lawrencemashku -> #cubieboard
18:53.02mashkumnemoc, ok I have followed this http://linux-sunxi.org/Debian and I have debfs-armhf.img
18:53.46sky770Anyone tested out the latest build of xbmc ?
18:53.49mashkumnemoc, now I want to add the kernel but when I follow the other guide at http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps  I have problem with make hwpack-install SD_CARD=/dev/sdX ROOTFS=your_rootfs.tar.gz
18:54.21mashkumnemoc, what should I put there, I have no tar.gz archive
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18:55.46ssvbtechn_: yep, proper vsync can be verified with a simple test - https://gist.github.com/4675708
18:56.56ssvbtechn_: then why does xbmc need the scaler_mode?
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18:58.26sky770Anyone got hw acc. Off the latest build of xbmc?
19:00.41techn_ssvb: propably to prevent flicker
19:00.54techn_but I'm trying to fix flicker on normal layer
19:01.13techn_it can be reproduced with 2d only
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19:03.31Turltechn_: does the vsync ioctl work?
19:03.31mnemocmashku: as lawrence pointed you out, there is a dedicated channel for the cubieboard
19:04.07techn_Turl: yes it works correctly if scaler layer is used.. on normal layer it has wrong timing
19:04.57Turlbtw your example fails on my x86 box :p
19:05.02Turlintel's vsync is broken
19:05.56ssvbTurl: does it show obvious tearing?
19:06.58GeorgeIoakssvb: OK, I've followed lawrence's notes from http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,30.0.html up to making 99-sunxi-fb.conf do I continue or is that enough to test?
19:07.34Turlssvb: I get rotating diamondlike figures that get blended with the previous ones and make shades of grey
19:10.15ssvbGeorgeIoak: yes, it might be enough
19:11.23GeorgeIoakk ,rebooting, i'm crossing my fingers
19:11.34lawrencefinally got framebuffer + sdl + fba going on my cubie :)
19:11.48techn_lawrence: fba?
19:12.01ssvbGeorgeIoak: hmm, do you have ssh shell to your device?
19:12.35GeorgeIoaknot right now but i have uart
19:12.54lawrencetechn_
19:12.55lawrencehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sheedl/
19:12.58lawrencefirst 2 photos
19:13.16mashkuroot@mash:/home/mateusz/cubieboard/u-boot-sunxi# make cubieboard CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf-
19:13.17ssvbGeorgeIoak: well, you can just start/stop X server without rebooting
19:13.18lawrencemay not look like much, but thats working at decent rate, and finally running like it should
19:13.23mashku/bin/bash: arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: command not found
19:13.27mashkuany help?
19:13.51Turlinstall the toolchain?
19:13.53mashkuI have crosscompiler in the path but it is called arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.7
19:14.05mashkuTurl, yes from embed debian
19:14.14lawrencemashku -better to post to 1 place, not duplicate in both
19:14.25Turlwhy that weird name
19:14.26Turl?
19:14.48mashkuTurl, it's gcc-4.7 in debian I dont know why that name
19:15.14lawrencei had to do
19:15.27lawrencefor i in arm-linux-gnueabi*-4.7 ; do ln -s $i ${i%%-4.7} ; done
19:15.34mashkuthx
19:15.37lawrencefor aliases on deb
19:15.56GeorgeIoakwell unfortunately there isn't any improvement, mplayer takes 60-70% and x takes the rest.
19:15.58Turlthere probably is some update-alternatives to choose default -gcc version
19:16.08mashkuTurl, I checked alternatives
19:16.12mashkuno file for it
19:16.38lawrencegeorgeloak - make sure X shows you're using the mali + sunfb drivers now
19:16.58lawrencei honestly am going to bed now though.  as my stuff i wanted to get done is done now.
19:17.03ssvbGeorgeIoak: which command line options do you use for mplayer? and what does it write to console? (you can make it more verbose by adding one or more "-v" options)
19:17.18mashkulawrence, isnt the hf newest arm ?
19:17.28lawrencehf = hard float
19:17.44mashkulawrence, so which is better ?
19:17.46lawrencethe cubie has neon
19:17.46GeorgeIoakfor now i just used gnome mplayer as the front end and opened the file, what should i try on the command line?
19:19.38ssvbGeorgeIoak: like I said before, something like "mplayer -vf format=rgb32 -vo gl:backend=3 yourvideofile.avi"
19:20.10ssvbGeorgeIoak: assuming that mplayer is compiled with GLES support enabled, otherwise you may need to recompile it
19:20.40ssvbGeorgeIoak: but first it makes sense to check whether the GLES acceleration works, can you try running glmark2-es2?
19:21.35GeorgeIoakerror opening -vo device
19:22.39techn_ssvb: btw. thanks for that mplayer gles info :)
19:22.42GeorgeIoakglmark2-es2 isn't found
19:22.56techn_I thought that it only supports gl
19:23.22ssvbGeorgeIoak: try to apt-get install it
19:24.06ssvbtechn_: the gles support is experimental in mplayer, and it does not really provide particularly impressive results
19:24.07GeorgeIoakssvb:installing now
19:25.32GeorgeIoakOK, I see the spinning horse
19:26.02ssvbtechn_: I just used it a bit for testing, there seem to be very few real OpenGL ES compatible applications available :-)
19:26.19ssvbGeorgeIoak: great, how much FPS does it show?
19:26.54ssvbGeorgeIoak: and does it report that it is using Mali-400 MP as a renderer?
19:27.01GeorgeIoaka whopping 0..1..2
19:27.11techn_ssvb: I have found and tested only es2_gears, glmark, glcomp, xbmc :(
19:27.36GeorgeIoakSoftware Rasterizer
19:27.51GeorgeIoakis the GL_Renderer
19:28.39techn_ssvb: with your driver it could be nice to test plasma :)
19:28.42ssvbtechn_: supposedly quake3 should also work, and appears that it can work with some non-proprietary data files - http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3131
19:29.50GeorgeIoakssvb: so what do I need to do to get it to use the Mali-400 as a renderer?
19:30.08techn_ssvb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GDKfWkBZGw, if you didnt see this :p
19:31.11ssvbtechn_, libv: but I must say I'm really disappointed. Having projects like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_%28console%29 around for years, I expected a lot of properly working problem-free open source GLES games :-/
19:32.15techn_ssvb: I thought that someone has made some 3d games for n900 and n9
19:33.11ssvbtechn_: yes, there should be at least tuxracer available, but it needs maemo-specific bits ripped out
19:33.43ssvbGeorgeIoak: you need to install libMali.so
19:34.12libvssvb: yes, it is quite terrible indeed
19:34.46libvssvb: i would actually welcome a working gles2 game on top of the idtech4 (doom3) engine
19:34.52GeorgeIoakssvb: ok, sory install libMali.so from where?
19:35.07libvsadly no-one has done a decent port of idtech4 yet
19:38.35w00tc0d3hum buZz, ping
19:39.02libvidtech3 was ported for n900
19:40.15techn_libv: I played quake2 on my n95 or was it n82 5 years ago :p
19:41.20techn_it was pretty cool that someone ported that for gles.. and symbian :)
19:43.48GeorgeIoakinstall libMali from here, https://github.com/linux-sunxi/mali-libs ?
19:44.23ssvbGeorgeIoak: yep
19:44.38GeorgeIoakok, off i go...
19:44.45lawrence<PROTECTED>
19:44.48lawrence:)
19:44.52lawrencesnore
19:51.21GeorgeIoaki know i saw that but I think i missed that I got errors
19:51.46GeorgeIoakUNKNOWN_VERSION/armhf/x11
19:52.32GeorgeIoaki remember now i saw that and decided to reboot just to be safe, got distracted and now I'm back at that make error
19:54.01GeorgeIoakhave to sudo make x11 or I get that error
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20:04.50GeorgeIoakI see libMali.so in /usr/lib but it's got root owner. did i screw things up by running sudo make?
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20:13.28GeorgeIoakI see a warning now from glmark2-es2 "libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to open sunxi-mali (search paths /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri) and I see that file is missing
20:15.04lawrenceldconfig
20:15.15lawrencemake sure its not just not updated
20:18.34GeorgeIoaktried that but the sunxi-mali file still isn't there
20:18.48lawrencewhat kernel?
20:19.17lawrenceyou can always grab nightlies that have the .ko's for mali and ump and copy to modules folder
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20:20.40ssvbGeorgeIoak: just try to set the permissions right for /dev/dri/card0 /dev/mali /dev/ump
20:20.50lawrencechmod 777 /dev/ump /dev/mali
20:21.03lawrenceand /dev/dri/card0
20:21.28GeorgeIoaknot sure why that sunxi-mali.so file isn't there
20:21.56ssvbGeorgeIoak: disregard this warning
20:22.27lawrencessvb - any easy way to set resolution in user space
20:22.34lawrencei can do in kernel via reboot
20:22.40lawrencebut fbset not doing anything
20:22.56ssvbGeorgeIoak: also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any interesting error messages
20:23.07ssvblawrence: HDMI resolution?
20:23.13lawrencey
20:23.31lawrenceor even via sdl
20:23.40lawrenceas sdl doesn't work for setting screen res
20:23.51lawrencei can ctrl c past that they i get display fine
20:23.59lawrencein sdl apps
20:24.14GeorgeIoakOK, done that but still that warning and using software renderer
20:25.03lawrencei think i need to poke bits at the hardware see if i can work it out
20:26.30GeorgeIoakthe log shows that it can't open that file and is going to use software rendering.
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20:29.55techn_GeorgeIoak: it's normal that it cant find that file
20:30.50GeorgeIoakbut then how to get it to use the mali?
20:31.29lawrencepoking large stick at 0xf1c1600 too see if i can't set hdmi mode on the fly
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20:33.35lawrencehrrm
20:33.47lawrencei got some interesting results, but not quite what i wanted
20:34.02lawrencewonders to self if monitor will survive
20:42.05GeorgeIoakmy kernel version is 3.057, should i just d/l http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/mali/lib-r3p0-04rel0.tar.gz  ?
20:43.37techn_lawrence: take latest kernel and use hangs's EDID mode setting..
20:43.55techn_and then you should be able to change resolution with fbset
20:44.13mnemocGeorgeIoak: prefer the mali-libs repo
20:46.52GeorgeIoaki did pull from https://github.com/linux-sunxi/mali-libs but the system isn't using the mali driver and i can't see why other than that warning about sunxi-mali missing
20:47.40lawrencehangs edid mode setting?
20:48.09GeorgeIoakpulling an all-nightly are we lawrence?
20:48.32lawrencei'm getting 60fps on the emulation stuff, so yeah pretty much
20:48.47lawrencenot testing sound yet though
20:49.40lawrenceanyway, i slept yesterday
20:56.33ln2Haha
20:58.06techn_lawrence: http://linux-sunxi.org/Framebuffer
20:58.27lawrencei'm a bit past that sort of help
20:58.30lawrencebut thats
20:58.48lawrencebut thanks
20:59.04techn_lawrence: after activating that EDID support you should be able to use fbset
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21:19.50techn_Turl: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/issues/113#issuecomment-12912900
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21:47.04mashkuCloning into 'linux-sunxi'...
21:47.04mashkuremote: Counting objects: 3043873, done.
21:47.04mashkuremote: Compressing objects: 100% (707118/707118), done.
21:47.04mashkufatal: read error: Connection reset by peer.67 MiB | 219 KiB/s  
21:47.07mashkuI cant download kernel
21:47.09mashku:(
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22:35.36Turltechn_: fsck :(
22:36.19Turlmaybe there's some error on serial console?
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22:39.31mashkuTurl, I cannot download kernel
22:39.38mashkuTurl, any idea why?
22:40.25Turlmashku: your internet connection is bad? try again on another network/later
22:41.18Turlmashku: you can try another protocol for clone too (git, https, ssh)
22:41.46mashkuTurl, my network is ok
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22:57.16mashkuTurl, funny cause I managed to download zip very quick but its damaged
23:00.20Turlsounds like the connection between you and github has issues
23:00.31Turltry cloning via git:// or try later
23:08.13mashkuI keep trying for like 1h
23:10.16mashku<PROTECTED>
23:10.25mashkusymlink error: File name too long
23:10.26mashku...
23:10.30mashkuI cannot download zip
23:10.41mashkuit unpacks half of files and then one file name is broken
23:10.43mashku:|
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23:13.38mashkuTurl, so how can I get this kernel?
23:13.47mashkuif archiving mechanism is broken as well
23:17.21mashkuoh worked
23:26.31Turlmashku: try on another network or tunnel through another server
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