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| 01:44.27 | vinifm | this is correct: ./pio -m PC0<0><1><1><0> |
| 01:44.30 | vinifm | ? |
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| 04:14.34 | Jonathan_Eyre | Is anyone building Chromium OS on an A10 device? |
| 04:30.22 | ccssnet | not many devs tend to build things that put there data elsewhere |
| 04:30.27 | ccssnet | so good luck |
| 04:31.08 | Jonathan_Eyre | Good point. |
| 04:32.05 | Jonathan_Eyre | However I was thinking that there is a chromium on arm project, and there was a guy that claimed he got Chromium OS to run on a raspberry pi. |
| 04:32.53 | Jonathan_Eyre | I thought it was theoretically possible to put it on A10. |
| 04:41.29 | WarheadsSE | Theoretically, yes |
| 04:41.41 | WarheadsSE | Is anyone actively developing it? IDK |
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| 05:41.12 | herdingcat | what's the meaning of tel in armv5tel ? |
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| 06:04.10 | Turl | herdingcat: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores |
| 06:04.18 | Turl | herdingcat: sure it's tel and not tej? |
| 06:04.23 | Turl | (L vs J) |
| 06:05.31 | Turl | TEJ would be Thumb, Enhanced DSP instructions, Jazelle DBX |
| 06:08.53 | herdingcat | Turl, thanks, yes, it's tel |
| 06:09.49 | Turl | no idea what the L stands for then |
| 06:10.49 | herdingcat | Turl, no problem.. |
| 06:12.09 | herdingcat | Turl, so armv7hl ? |
| 06:14.32 | ssvb | Turl: little endian |
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| 06:16.45 | Turl | herdingcat: that sounds like an abi name, h for hard float |
| 06:17.40 | Turl | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-April/482598.html |
| 06:17.53 | herdingcat | Turl, make sense/ |
| 06:17.53 | Turl | good night all |
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| 10:04.27 | vinifm | hi, i used /pio -m PC1<0><1><1><0> and get a token error |
| 10:06.44 | Turl | vinifm: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:06.47 | Turl | power output pin? |
| 10:07.09 | vinifm | pull up |
| 10:08.24 | Turl | try |
| 10:08.41 | Turl | ./pio -m PC1?1 |
| 10:09.27 | vinifm | hum, but i wonder if the command that i used is wrong |
| 10:10.08 | Turl | doesn't like the long command |
| 10:10.24 | Turl | vinifm: you probably need quotes btw, < and > are shell characters with special meaning |
| 10:10.41 | vinifm | i still not tried '?', i am going try |
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| 10:13.37 | Turl | mnemoc: your zfs still kicking you out? :/ |
| 10:13.50 | Turl | err, znc |
| 10:14.16 | mnemoc | :( |
| 10:15.24 | Turl | mnemoc: did you by any chance suspend/resume a computer? |
| 10:17.36 | mnemoc | irssi/znc runs on a server |
| 10:17.53 | mnemoc | but every time I try to use andchat znc starts dying |
| 10:18.00 | Turl | ahh |
| 10:18.12 | Turl | mnemoc: I noticed mine dies when I leave pidgin open and do a suspend cycle |
| 10:18.23 | Turl | it's like when pidgin reconnects it floods the servers with joins I bet |
| 10:18.34 | Turl | I guess andchat does the same when it loses connection |
| 10:19.28 | mnemoc | likely |
| 10:19.51 | Turl | do you have many channels on autojoin? |
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| 10:39.42 | mnemoc | Turl: 28 :) |
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| 10:40.16 | mnemoc | i will have to return to connectbot + screen + irssi. znc simply doesn't work |
| 10:41.16 | ohniceidea | Hi. Is there any resources about hacking Rockchip tablet? |
| 10:48.31 | Turl | mnemoc: it might be an easy fix |
| 10:48.36 | Turl | missing throttling somewhere |
| 10:48.46 | Turl | need to tcpdump it one of these days |
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| 11:40.18 | amoxoo | Hi guys? what's the differences between Mali driver r2p4 and r3p0? |
| 11:40.40 | amoxoo | for different kernel? |
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| 11:54.57 | torindel | amoxoo: check on wiki, drivers might differ what for they support acceleration for (xorg, android, etc) |
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| 12:00.41 | amoxoo | it seems that the target operation system support is indicated by the VARIANT build info. |
| 12:01.07 | amoxoo | for example. VARIANT=mali400-r1p1-gles11-gles20-linux-android-ics-rgb_is_xrgb-ump |
| 12:01.21 | amoxoo | and VARIANT=mali400-gles20-gles11-linux-x11-ump-no_monolithic |
| 12:02.05 | amoxoo | but there exists some other build info like: GEOM, HOSTLIB ... etc. |
| 12:02.42 | amoxoo | what's the differences between HOSTLIB direct and indirect? |
| 12:03.39 | amoxoo | for direct version , the size seems very small (400KB), and indirect version all most need 7 - 8 MB |
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| 12:04.34 | amoxoo | and in direct version, binary for libEGL, libGLES are symbol linked to libMali.so |
| 12:04.57 | amoxoo | that's why I don't know which one to use. |
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| 12:08.45 | amoxoo | I have run es2gears(170FPS) and glmark2-es2(70FPS) on r3p0 direct version binary, but it only contains limited EGL API, that makes failed to run the test program under Mali-Libs, and of course also the APIs which I want to use. |
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| 12:17.50 | libv | amoxoo: what is the "direct version binary" |
| 12:19.03 | amoxoo | http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400#Mali-400_libraries_breif_table |
| 12:19.49 | amoxoo | see at the HOSTLIB buildinfo part for each item |
| 12:22.01 | libv | indirect/direct seems to be 1-1 linked with debug or release builds. |
| 12:23.24 | libv | secondly, chances are that your 7-8MB thing has badly copied symlinks |
| 12:23.39 | libv | and that what should've been symlinks, turned into full copies |
| 12:24.13 | libv | now, your complaint is that the egl implementation is incomplete? |
| 12:24.25 | libv | how does that manifest itself? |
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| 12:51.02 | libv | ... |
| 14:06.08 | pucko | there's a new firmware for the MeLE A10's. named Mele_HTPC_20130116_V1.3.1.rar |
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| 14:53.32 | penguin42 | fails to see how the rk3066-linux google group works, I'm subscribed enough for it to show me messages, but google-groups say I'm unsubscribed and it can't post by mail - what a mess |
| 15:05.08 | br- | penguin42: check your list of alternative address on your google account |
| 15:05.20 | br- | groups is a joke, i have no idea why people tolerate it |
| 15:06.03 | penguin42 | br-: Yeh, that's the thing it's sending it to my non-google address (which is good) but I don't see how to post anything, it won't take stuff by mail and the web interface to googlegroups only gives me the option to subscribe |
| 15:07.14 | rm | penguin42, do you send it mail with From: the same as where it sends you mails? |
| 15:08.56 | penguin42 | yes |
| 15:09.28 | penguin42 | it said the group was configured not to accept stuff by mail |
| 15:11.25 | penguin42 | which I'm kind of ok with as long as there is some way for me to post to it |
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| 16:24.53 | jelly-home | that explains the lack of a gmane archive of it as well |
| 16:29.39 | mnemoc | you can subscribe google groups without G account |
| 16:29.48 | mnemoc | and without using the web frontend |
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| 16:50.01 | penguin42 | mnemoc: Which I seem to have done, but can't see how to post to it |
| 16:51.10 | mnemoc | for foo@googlegroups.com you subscribe mailing foo+subscribe@googlegroups.com |
| 16:51.27 | penguin42 | mnemoc: It's configured not to allow posting via mail |
| 16:51.33 | mnemoc | :< |
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| 16:52.11 | mnemoc | penguin42: mail the retard who configured it that way |
| 16:53.11 | penguin42 | mnemoc: I haven't figured out who that was, but I can understand if they wanted to stop it getting spammed to bits |
| 16:53.40 | mnemoc | there is a nice setting to moderate all first posts |
| 16:53.59 | mnemoc | after the first post you can decide if it's a real fellow or an spammer |
| 16:54.05 | penguin42 | nice |
| 16:54.24 | penguin42 | but there again what's the point - spammers will surely just fake the from address as the address of someone who has posted |
| 16:55.08 | mnemoc | the cubieboard and the linux-sunxi lists are both open lists hosted by googlegroups |
| 16:55.12 | mnemoc | and spam is minimal |
| 16:56.00 | mnemoc | and spammers can post over http too |
| 16:56.32 | penguin42 | nod |
| 16:56.45 | mnemoc | so the idea that restricting to web only reduces spam is just premature optimization |
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| 17:39.08 | drachensun | Has any seen this error when using nand "[<c0331978>] (_read_single_page+0x0/0x490) from [<c032fbd8>] (PHY_PageRead+0x120/0x1dc)" |
| 17:39.12 | drachensun | kernel crash I mean |
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| 17:55.32 | fra79Wii | Hi all, I'm having problem compiling a working binary of u-boot for my all winner a10 tabler |
| 17:57.46 | fra79Wii | I thought it was because I was trying cross compiling on mac, but it doesn't work if I cross sompile in linux
.I'm using latest git snapshott, and using the board type a10_mid_1gb. |
| 17:58.43 | fra79Wii | I flash the sol and he u-boot and nothing happens |
| 17:58.56 | fra79Wii | spl :P |
| 17:59.27 | techn_ | if you downloaded zip from github.. it wont work becouse symlinks :/ |
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| 18:00.26 | fra79Wii | really? ok so I try to actually checkout from git.. I'm so lazy :P.. |
| 18:03.42 | mnemoc | if you have troubles with a full git clone, you can start from these tarballs: http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/repo-dumps/ and then update |
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| 18:09.04 | fra79Wii | thanks.. git it's a little bit slow but it's on going
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| 18:09.08 | cobalt60-ac100 | WOW an ARM netbook channel! |
| 18:09.33 | cobalt60-ac100 | Any suitable replacement for my AC100 for running Linux? |
| 18:09.51 | mnemoc | the exynos 5 chromebook |
| 18:10.07 | mnemoc | easy to get rid of chromeos |
| 18:10.13 | fra79Wii | the dram.c is the only thing to modify the memory map for the SPL right? |
| 18:10.15 | cobalt60-ac100 | 3D working yet? |
| 18:10.48 | cobalt60-ac100 | I think that ChromeBook is ugly as $%^ but I can paint/skin it |
| 18:11.40 | mnemoc | steev: where is my imx6q efika?! :< |
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| 18:12.02 | cobalt60-ac100 | It took like 2 years for 3D to get going easily on Ubuntu/AC100, and it still has a way to go, but it does indeed work |
| 18:13.07 | cobalt60-ac100 | mnemoc I remember reading the article why they wont release one |
| 18:13.38 | cobalt60-ac100 | very sad... I almost got the EfikaMX until I foubd the AC100 had better specs for the same price |
| 18:14.12 | mnemoc | both have joke screens :< |
| 18:16.09 | cobalt60-ac100 | at least AC100 has HDMI out, and is capable of 1080p over it |
| 18:18.43 | mnemoc | I'm hoping to convince someone (living in .cn and fluent in chinese and in sourcing) here on irc to design and crowdsource a generic lapdock <http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock> |
| 18:18.48 | cobalt60-ac100 | though via Linux, I think 1280x1024 is all that happens over HDMI |
| 18:19.02 | fra79Wii | mnemoc: Nohing still the same, can the cross compiler be hardfp? |
| 18:19.18 | mnemoc | fra79Wii: yes |
| 18:19.43 | mnemoc | s/crowdsource/crowdfund/ |
| 18:20.30 | fra79Wii | maybe the fs is the problem. I'm compiling in a hfs (OSX) case sensitive file system... |
| 18:20.52 | mnemoc | fra79Wii: all civilized filesystems are case sensitive |
| 18:20.58 | cobalt60-ac100 | mnemoc thats a beautiful idea and Ive had the same idea |
| 18:21.11 | cobalt60-ac100 | I can design and manufacture PCBs |
| 18:23.04 | mnemoc | the components sourcing and device manufactoring are the hardest problem |
| 18:23.24 | mnemoc | or you'll end up with a $500 lapdock, which is useless |
| 18:24.04 | cobalt60-ac100 | well, if you do the labor yourself and consider $10 to $15 / hr OK... |
| 18:24.22 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:25.04 | cobalt60-ac100 | Ive gathered equipment for low volume PCB production |
| 18:25.33 | cobalt60-ac100 | I figure once designed, I ndred a weekcould probably make a couple hu |
| 18:25.40 | cobalt60-ac100 | t*could |
| 18:25.50 | cobalt60-ac100 | GOD DAMN TOUCHPAD |
| 18:26.29 | cobalt60-ac100 | I figure once designed, I could probably make a couple hundred a week |
| 18:26.35 | fra79Wii | mnemc: yes, but default OSX fs not is case insensitive
really lame |
| 18:27.37 | cobalt60-ac100 | mnemoc I strongly suggest imitting the touchpad in exchange for a touchscreen |
| 18:27.44 | cobalt60-ac100 | t*Omitting |
| 18:28.22 | fra79Wii | cool, I've just found out here http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/testing-3.4/latest/ there are the precompiled boot loader in the hwpack |
| 18:29.14 | mnemoc | cobalt60-ac100: not all touchpads are as bad as yours :p |
| 18:29.25 | cobalt60-ac100 | Still... |
| 18:30.24 | cobalt60-ac100 | I say leave touchpads with x86. Obviously losing ground to touchscreens and ARM |
| 18:31.18 | cobalt60-ac100 | But not enough ARM devices are clamshell form factor with keyboard |
| 18:31.58 | cobalt60-ac100 | And top heavy designs like the Transformer do not count... |
| 18:34.27 | cobalt60-ac100 | I was actually considering buying a spare AC100, a Nexus 7, a 1280x800 10" LCD, 10" touchscreen, and combining to make my Linux ARM ideal device |
| 18:45.21 | cobalt60-ac100 | mnemoc: http://pastebin.com/aQJubFzA |
| 18:51.18 | mnemoc | cobalt60-ac100: meaning you would start doing the oshw design for a lapdock board? :) |
| 18:52.51 | cobalt60-ac100 | oshw = open-source hardware? Yea I believe in the cause enough to share my hard work |
| 18:53.20 | mnemoc | yes, oshw = open source hardware |
| 18:53.54 | cobalt60-ac100 | You use Linux? Ever use GEDA? top notch circuit and PCB design suite |
| 18:54.52 | mnemoc | i'm just a software ape, but ee people here seems to prefer kitcad |
| 18:55.02 | cobalt60-ac100 | My main problems with getting things accomplished is that I get treated like a slave 40hrs a week (I repair DSLRs and lenses for Canon) |
| 18:55.12 | mnemoc | just 40? |
| 18:55.16 | mnemoc | lucky you |
| 18:55.26 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:55.49 | cobalt60-ac100 | I dont mind working more, but when my bosses are incompetent career managers... it takes a lot out of me |
| 18:55.59 | mnemoc | true |
| 18:56.30 | cobalt60-ac100 | well between that and not getting paid very well, I dont get much accomplished with hw design, but I actually am pretty good at it |
| 18:57.01 | mnemoc | oshw is a good way to release that potential |
| 18:57.08 | cobalt60-ac100 | Im trying to find another job... thats my current priority |
| 18:57.26 | cobalt60-ac100 | well, this lapdock idea is like I said, one Ive already had... |
| 18:58.03 | cobalt60-ac100 | I think its a great idea. As a huge fan of Linux and ARM, its deffinitely a project Id like to be involved in |
| 18:58.49 | cobalt60-ac100 | And being more of a hardware guy, I could never get much done with the actual software other than reporting / reproducing bugs |
| 18:59.58 | mnemoc | the arm-netbook community (irc and ml) has plenty software people |
| 19:00.59 | cobalt60-ac100 | exactly and not very many hardware people |
| 19:01.20 | cobalt60-ac100 | what is kitcad I cant find any info |
| 19:01.34 | cobalt60-ac100 | anyway Im pretty happy with GEDA |
| 19:02.09 | cobalt60-ac100 | It can be a little cumbersome but after getting over its learning curve I find it can do everything I need it to |
| 19:02.36 | mnemoc | http://www.kitcad.com/ |
| 19:03.21 | mnemoc | err |
| 19:03.24 | mnemoc | wrong app |
| 19:03.41 | mnemoc | www.kicad-pcb.org :) |
| 19:03.48 | mnemoc | that one |
| 19:03.50 | cobalt60-ac100 | lol wow was I confused |
| 19:05.11 | cobalt60-ac100 | meh sudo apt-get install kicad would work :) |
| 19:05.23 | ssvb | mnemoc: have you ever seen problems with the timer? like clock_gettime() providing wrong information |
| 19:05.59 | mnemoc | ssvb: i don't use my toys much :< |
| 19:06.14 | mnemoc | ssvb: but it's the first time I hear of a such problem |
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| 19:10.05 | cobalt60-ac100 | kicad looks alright. GEDA seems a bit more comprehensive but Ill play around with it and see if I think its useful... |
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| 19:14.42 | lawrence | @mnemoc ? |
| 19:15.01 | mnemoc | welcome lawrence! |
| 19:15.33 | lawrence | how about http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.55.hMT5ne&id=16439643864 |
| 19:15.44 | lawrence | moulding are already done |
| 19:15.51 | lawrence | the units are in mass production |
| 19:16.04 | lawrence | you can buy the chassis and the screen plus mounting off factory |
| 19:16.07 | mnemoc | lawrence: cobalt60-ac100 is the guy who wants to get into the oshw design of the open lapdock pcb |
| 19:16.12 | mnemoc | hehehe |
| 19:16.19 | lawrence | then design a board for controller and power circuitry to fit in |
| 19:16.33 | lawrence | plus have actual space for an hdmi key to be sat inside there |
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| 19:16.44 | jelly-home | that fruit logo looks suspicious |
| 19:16.51 | lawrence | then you leverage mass production |
| 19:17.06 | lawrence | @jelly-home, sure thats a shanzhai lapper |
| 19:17.25 | lawrence | ironically those make fairly decent macbook's (although battery is 2hrs max) |
| 19:17.37 | lawrence | as the macbook white and those are almost identical hardwarewise |
| 19:17.48 | lawrence | i made one for shits and giggles on day for a client |
| 19:18.06 | lawrence | we don't need storage - so no hdd |
| 19:18.17 | lawrence | we don't need motherboard, so no mobo |
| 19:18.43 | mnemoc | more room for a better battery ;-) |
| 19:18.53 | lawrence | need to have a controller board that does lvds, hd, battery, and inputs |
| 19:19.15 | lawrence | i'd probably go hub for usb |
| 19:19.29 | lawrence | most of the hdmi sized ones do hub function yes? |
| 19:19.41 | lawrence | so can talk to > 1 device without too much headache |
| 19:22.31 | jelly-home | use eoma-68! |
| 19:22.36 | jelly-home | hides |
| 19:22.49 | lawrence | rhombus ate your soul? |
| 19:22.57 | lawrence | of all the interfaces to use… |
| 19:23.04 | lawrence | ;) |
| 19:23.08 | mnemoc | i do believe in eoma68, but an open lapdock is quite more realistic in short term |
| 19:23.32 | mnemoc | imho |
| 19:23.34 | lawrence | you need to define probable needs |
| 19:23.35 | jelly-home | lawrence: that's one that has all the connections you listed exposed |
| 19:23.51 | lawrence | eg battery is 2hrs? |
| 19:23.55 | lawrence | resolution is ? |
| 19:23.57 | mnemoc | lawrence: saw http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock ? |
| 19:23.58 | lawrence | size is ? |
| 19:24.14 | lawrence | price is ? |
| 19:24.18 | mnemoc | cobalt60-ac100 suggested a 10" 720p variant |
| 19:24.24 | lawrence | thats cheaper |
| 19:24.26 | lawrence | and easier |
| 19:24.37 | lawrence | problem is that 10-13" HD panels are $$$$$ |
| 19:24.48 | lawrence | 15" or 14" is cheaper for HD panels |
| 19:24.57 | lawrence | if you go 720p then 10" is fine |
| 19:25.10 | lawrence | i also tend > smaller |
| 19:25.19 | lawrence | as if you need to carry a laptop sized device |
| 19:25.23 | lawrence | why not just carry a laptop |
| 19:25.47 | mnemoc | >=14 is just too large |
| 19:25.59 | jelly-home | steals lawrence' enter key and forces him to write complete thoughts |
| 19:26.09 | mnemoc | +1 |
| 19:26.24 | lawrence | has carriage return |
| 19:27.24 | lawrence | keyboard isn't a problem, there are a bazillion choices for that |
| 19:27.50 | lawrence | i'm not even sure you need a keyboard really |
| 19:28.07 | lawrence | i'd tend toward making it bluetooth /usb removable |
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| 19:28.20 | lawrence | as an addition rather than a fixed item |
| 19:28.44 | lawrence | how long do you need it to be powered for? |
| 19:28.57 | lawrence | as the current draw is going to dictate size |
| 19:29.40 | lawrence | as current draw x time = we know what battery to choose, so what size the unit needs to be. |
| 19:30.52 | lawrence | there are a couple of interesting possible chipsets |
| 19:31.20 | lawrence | SMSC does a UFX6000 the does necessary things |
| 19:31.32 | lawrence | usb, vga, hdmi in single chip. |
| 19:31.40 | lawrence | i didn't check if it has a pmu |
| 19:32.33 | lawrence | thats about 30rmb for the chip in low volume |
| 19:33.11 | lawrence | i still think the realtek 2662 is probably the best bang for buck |
| 19:33.23 | lawrence | although GM has some HDMI stuff I should look at |
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| 19:33.57 | lawrence | i think i need to take a look at the current draw for the realtek soc to see what it chows down |
| 19:34.54 | lawrence | kind of sad that we don't leverage all these cheap arm SoC's to do something for input |
| 19:35.02 | lawrence | and have to go to a display controller |
| 19:39.53 | lawrence | hmm, the ufc600 also does usb -> video controller function |
| 19:40.01 | lawrence | that might be a good addition |
| 19:40.02 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: do you remember where the chromeos-ec code lives? I can't find it :< |
| 19:41.07 | lawrence | i'd be tempted to reuse an 8" tablet panel (1024x768) + that in a board and do hdmi in/usb in with that |
| 19:41.47 | mnemoc | lawrence: when you say a 13" 1080p open lapdock would be expensive... how much is that? |
| 19:41.57 | lawrence | panels are too $$ |
| 19:42.42 | mnemoc | 1366x768 is kind of the bare minimum for a laptop these days |
| 19:43.35 | lawrence | http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.189.2lZYiz&id=15914535620 might be a form factor |
| 19:43.42 | lawrence | 8" @ 1024x768 |
| 19:44.17 | mnemoc | you keep thinking in a tablet :< |
| 19:44.22 | lawrence | then make a daughterboard to fit in there to do usb -> lcd or hdmi -> lcd |
| 19:44.57 | lawrence | @mnemoc - there are so many keyboard add-ons for that its not funny |
| 19:45.05 | lawrence | so stop worry about the keyboard |
| 19:45.24 | lawrence | i'd make it keyboard and screen separate. |
| 19:46.24 | mnemoc | believe it or not, there is tons of people who hates tablets and hates tablets with keyboard even more |
| 19:46.42 | mnemoc | people wanting a tablet can just buy a tablet |
| 19:46.50 | lawrence | eg http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.235.JYZeI9&id=16547307916 |
| 19:47.01 | lawrence | the smart way is to leverage those |
| 19:47.08 | lawrence | so you don't need to redesign |
| 19:47.23 | mnemoc | missing the point entirely :< |
| 19:48.18 | mnemoc | that's fine for someone who wants a write some emails or comment on facebook |
| 19:52.53 | lawrence | my point is this |
| 19:53.11 | lawrence | you can't design something to the pricepoint that those sorts of items are being made for |
| 19:53.23 | lawrence | and there are lots of good designs out there for that |
| 19:53.46 | lawrence | so i suggest look at that direction |
| 19:53.53 | mnemoc | reusing is good, but reuse thinking in a laptop that will be used to type a lot |
| 19:54.39 | mnemoc | running normal desktop linux |
| 19:54.44 | mnemoc | using normal desktop apps |
| 19:55.17 | mnemoc | not a mobile os with attached keyboard to write comments on facebook |
| 19:55.43 | mnemoc | a device you can actually work on |
| 19:56.13 | mnemoc | but which "brain" is an arm hdmi dongle or an arm dev board |
| 19:56.51 | mnemoc | which you can swap or replace, and keep the same the laptop-ish parts for years |
| 19:56.52 | lawrence | i get the concept |
| 19:57.04 | lawrence | but i question the sales |
| 19:57.33 | lawrence | as a normal laptop would end up cheaper really |
| 19:57.53 | mnemoc | but obsolete in 3M |
| 19:58.06 | lawrence | mine tend to be used 3-4 years |
| 19:58.10 | lawrence | not 3months |
| 19:58.25 | mnemoc | arm laptop i mean |
| 19:58.50 | lawrence | thats only because the software never gets tidied up |
| 19:59.03 | lawrence | and because there is a newer better SoC around the corner |
| 19:59.29 | lawrence | i think with the quad core arm SoC's being quite cheap now, we'll see the market start to slow down a little |
| 19:59.45 | lawrence | i still see the future being something like this - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.79.yBUqkO&id=18124067586 |
| 19:59.50 | mnemoc | a SoC that will be available dead cheap in an hdmi dongle and a very hackfriendly dev board |
| 19:59.52 | lawrence | where keyboard is optional |
| 20:00.50 | lawrence | a dumb screen with battery + input would be feasible, as there is need |
| 20:01.31 | lawrence | i can see the need for that |
| 20:01.51 | lawrence | however the i need a full size keyboard + x + y + z. not so much in the portable range |
| 20:02.15 | lawrence | i would aim at doing a screen first |
| 20:02.20 | lawrence | use a standard size |
| 20:02.30 | lawrence | so can add keyboard a la examples i just showed you |