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| 00:12.06 | leowt | anyone running "performance" cpufreq setting? |
| 00:18.58 | WarheadsSE | on .. |
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| 00:27.07 | leowt | a10 |
| 00:27.12 | leowt | mele |
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| 01:19.24 | drachensun | leowt: I run it on most of my devices |
| 01:19.39 | leowt | drachensun: all at 1ghz? |
| 01:19.42 | leowt | all the time? |
| 01:20.20 | drachensun | generally yeah |
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| 01:20.36 | leowt | drachensun: no issues? |
| 01:20.56 | drachensun | I've noticed it will cause long g++ compiles to have errors |
| 01:21.02 | drachensun | like when building xbmc |
| 01:21.15 | drachensun | so I popped the case off and point a fan at the chip while I did that |
| 01:21.36 | drachensun | I think even ondemand would have had the same effect though as it was just an hour long high intensity operation |
| 01:22.02 | drachensun | for normal use though, no problems |
| 01:22.41 | leowt | drachensun: did it work normally with the fan? |
| 01:22.49 | drachensun | yup |
| 01:23.15 | leowt | drachensun: so, maybie a simple alu cooler on top of a10 is enough |
| 01:25.15 | drachensun | I would think so, an attached heat sink seems like it should work as well as a fan blowing from 5 inches away |
| 01:25.53 | Turl | drachensun: what's mean ambient temp over there? |
| 01:25.55 | Turl | just for reference |
| 01:26.17 | drachensun | Florida, USA so today, in January our high was around 80F |
| 01:26.33 | drachensun | I usually keep the AC in the house set at 78F |
| 01:28.15 | Turl | ~26.5C, ~25.5C |
| 01:28.24 | Turl | pretty cool temps |
| 01:28.58 | Turl | I've ran on performance gov but I didn't do any long term stress testing |
| 01:29.22 | drachensun | yeah, I haven't tried that same test outside in summer when its 37C |
| 01:29.56 | Turl | :) |
| 01:30.45 | leowt | how do you set the cpufreq tweaks cript? |
| 01:30.49 | leowt | on boot? |
| 01:30.52 | leowt | or by hand? |
| 01:30.59 | leowt | i mean, manually |
| 01:31.36 | Turl | I run android usually so I just set it on the settings |
| 01:31.50 | Turl | when I'm using debian I add the echo commands to rc.local |
| 01:32.25 | leowt | dirty old rc.local |
| 01:32.25 | leowt | xD |
| 01:33.19 | Turl | it works |
| 01:33.25 | Turl | what else is there to say? :) |
| 01:33.29 | leowt | true =P |
| 01:34.28 | leowt | compiling k modules and installing packages stays fast |
| 01:34.35 | leowt | cool performance |
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| 04:16.23 | drachensun | techn: you mentioned cleaning up the ft5x_ts driver. I'm having to do that to, I needed to add some ioctls for screen rotation since it uses absolute position |
| 04:17.26 | drachensun | techn: Please let me know what all you had in mind, I started moving things to the header file that belong there but I didn't want to run into your changes if you are going to do the same thing |
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| 09:50.25 | buZz | what 'video decoder core' is on those Rockchip devices like RK3066? |
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| 10:14.58 | buZz | sad that dx.com doesnt carry any RK3066 devices with 2GB ram :P |
| 10:23.23 | br- | do those things work automatically? i almost bought one |
| 10:25.29 | mnemoc | with the preinstalled gpl-violating android, sure, they work out of the box |
| 10:26.40 | mnemoc | not sure how mature the open/build-your-own mk3066 support is already. but some sources were released recently |
| 10:30.13 | br- | something i've wondered about regularly.. it should be generally possible to run a regular, say debian, linux userspace on an android kernel |
| 10:30.48 | br- | and additionally, even without binary-only patches made by vendor, it should be possible to build a large subset of standard kernel modules against that kernel by ensuring various ABI parameters match.. right? |
| 10:31.39 | br- | as in, just copy the android bzImage over to a vanilla linux system, not running it in a chroot on android or anything like that |
| 10:31.51 | buZz | br-: yeah, chrooted debian works on any android with root |
| 10:32.27 | br- | yep.. but will android kernel happily start regular glibc+/sbin/init from say, debian. or is there some weird android shit going on during boot that would prevent that scenario |
| 10:33.30 | br- | ah, blergh. all the kernel<->user apis are different on android kernels. platform drivers aren't using ALSA etc |
| 10:35.19 | mnemoc | the only real weirdness in the "android" kernel (which is just a messed up linux) is paranoid network |
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| 10:35.48 | mnemoc | you have to put every user which will need network access in a magic group id |
| 10:35.52 | buZz | there are some android specific things you should disable in the kernel |
| 10:36.01 | buZz | like android's logger |
| 10:36.46 | br- | buZz: this is assuming the source is unavailable |
| 10:36.52 | mnemoc | i mean when running a bin-only gpl-violating stock android kernel. if you can disable stuff, just disable CONFIG_ANDROID |
| 10:37.03 | buZz | yeah |
| 10:47.52 | slapin | how can sound drivers not use alsa? |
| 10:47.58 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 10:49.20 | buZz | by using OSS? |
| 10:50.21 | br- | slapin: ask the korean devs porting android to new devices |
| 10:50.51 | br- | on android you just need audioflinger to understand how to talk to your device, no mention of alsa or oss |
| 10:51.03 | br- | so they probably patch the shit out of that too, or something. never looked into it |
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| 11:11.17 | slapin | br-: isn't it harder than just use alsa? |
| 11:16.19 | br- | slapin: at least nexus one does not use alsa. perhaps alsa interface requires your driver provide some minimal functional guarantees that requires effort to implement |
| 11:16.24 | mac- | hey |
| 11:16.38 | mac- | it is possible to boot tablet from a SD Card with i.e. Linux ? |
| 11:22.19 | rm | yes |
| 11:22.39 | rm | if you mean an Allwinner CPU-based tablet |
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| 11:58.50 | slapin | br-: where can I see samples of such driver? I wonder, because otherwise there would no alsa drivers for these devices, and my older s3c6410 android-1.5 tablet uses alsa, at least it is there. |
| 11:59.09 | slapin | I can use aplay and arecord from chroot |
| 12:00.23 | slapin | and it has normal Linux + android on the same flash out of the box (/usr/bin is Linux, /system/bin is Android) |
| 12:00.44 | slapin | I wonder if it is possible to do the same with 4.x and Allwinner... |
| 12:04.14 | slapin | and most cool thing is getty on serial port out of the box, and accessible u-boot, too bad it has only 256MB of RAM, If install some older embedded Linux distro, like Angstrom with GPE, that would be plenty... |
| 12:06.28 | slapin | hno: when you will be available for some hacking? |
| 12:06.35 | br- | slapin: on my nexus one, there are no ALSA char devices registered in /proc/devices |
| 12:06.48 | br- | ergo, the phone cannot possibly be using ALSA |
| 12:07.40 | br- | does your alsa-supporting device have a char device registered in /proc/devices with major 116? |
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| 12:24.57 | slapin | br-: I have /dev/snd* and aplay -l shows device, I don't have the device at the moment, so can't see /proc/devices. It is not phone, it is tablet. |
| 12:25.27 | slapin | br-: and why phone can't use alsa? my n900 thinks otherwise... |
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| 12:36.58 | br- | slapin: it's not about capability, its about design choices |
| 12:37.16 | br- | if developer can avoid writing 10,000 lines of code just to satisfy some interface he doesn't care about, he might not use it. at least looks like that way on nexus one |
| 12:37.59 | br- | the android audio api is audioflinger, it's not alsa. maybe some implementations may use alsa underneath, but it's not required |
| 12:44.02 | slapin | http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/development/pdk/docs/audio_sub_system.html <- tells Alsa is used, and if you really FAIL, you can use your proprietary solution... |
| 12:45.47 | slapin | but if your soc is supported in alsa (as with most SoCs except most modern ones from China) it is easier to just use alsa as it just works |
| 12:46.42 | slapin | I've tested my own android build now on Pandaboard - sound works with alsa. |
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| 12:53.49 | slapin | so only available APIs are ALSA and OSS, as i see. |
| 13:07.54 | oliv3r | hmm, i thought audioflinger was some device atop of alsa, just as pulseaudio is ontop of alsa aswell (alsa or oss-old/oss-new) |
| 13:08.54 | oliv3r | also, it would be quite some duplication effort, to have all drivers (oss/alsa) be ported to audioflinger, when it really is not needed. Alsa is a hardware audio drive framework; audioflinger is (i think) a sound mixer |
| 13:08.56 | slapin | audioflinger is like pulse audio - userspace libraries and daemons, see above URL. |
| 13:09.03 | oliv3r | yeah |
| 13:09.23 | oliv3r | the main reason for audioflinger to exist, is pulse was no wear near as complete as it is now |
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| 13:43.03 | br- | slapin: as mentioned on the url you pasted, the only requirement for the platform vendor is they implement AudioHardwareInterface. in fact it even mentions if you want to use ALSA/OSS, you stil have to implement that interface |
| 13:43.32 | br- | considering some of these vendors are exposing /dev/ram chmod 777'd just to avoid writing code, its not hard to imagine some don't bother with alsa either |
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| 14:32.40 | leowt | helloz |
| 14:54.07 | slapin | br-: it is extremely hard to program audio device via /dev/ram :) so writing kernel driver is unavoidable; so why not copy-paste some alsa driver instead of implementing something new? have you seen ASoC drivers? minimal driver is just a few lines of code, if your codec is supported. |
| 14:55.21 | slapin | AudioHardwareInterface is not kernel stuff, and you will have to write code to implement it. If you use alsa, you don't have tow rite any more code as it is there out of the box |
| 14:56.08 | mnemoc | slapin: mmap + .so saves them from violating the GPL |
| 14:57.07 | slapin | br-: for very new devices I've seen lame character device audio solutions, but these all were replaced with alsa drivers then, crappy though. |
| 14:58.38 | slapin | mnemoc: that is not worth writing, as code over /dev/ram should be very specific, not worth hiding either (hello, d-link). |
| 14:59.21 | slapin | mnemoc: you can't DMA over /dev/ram, and no sound, sorry |
| 15:00.06 | mnemoc | good point |
| 15:01.26 | hramrach | why can't you DMA over /dev/ram |
| 15:01.53 | hramrach | when backed by disk you can DMA over any fd |
| 15:04.35 | hramrach | oliv3r: PA is nowhere near complete |
| 15:04.57 | hramrach | see how awesome it works when they tried to make a PA driver in Wine |
| 15:05.35 | hramrach | maybe just the docs are lame because the PA plugin for alsa works better than direct PA Winde driver |
| 15:05.49 | slapin | hramrach: works for me though |
| 15:06.11 | hramrach | PA works for you? |
| 15:06.17 | hramrach | it works for many people |
| 15:06.20 | hramrach | so does alsa |
| 15:07.02 | hramrach | it does not change that the interface is horrible, hard to use from both sides, and probably underdocumented |
| 15:07.16 | hramrach | for some simple cases it works |
| 15:07.45 | hramrach | for some cases when you want to control what it does - it just ignores what you tell it |
| 15:07.51 | hramrach | and stuff breaks |
| 15:09.31 | slapin | hramrach: that's with everything more complex than helloworld, shit happens, so someone needs to fix it. |
| 15:13.54 | leowt | can anyone give me a help putting uboot on nand? |
| 15:13.58 | slapin | btw, is there some central place for Atheros u-boot, or something? I've got lots of their funny hardware with funny u-boot versions (1.1.3 or something) of various malfunction state - on one device I can report device hang 50% times on u-boot countdown if console pins are connected (works if interrupted then "boot"'ed). |
| 15:14.14 | leowt | where do i start? |
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| 15:35.48 | hramrach | slapin: sure, stuff happens. you can at least make the interface sane, though. |
| 15:36.09 | hramrach | neither ALSA nor PA developers bothered with that, apparently |
| 15:37.18 | hramrach | leowt: does your nand not come with u-boot? |
| 15:37.23 | hramrach | and on what device? |
| 15:38.01 | leowt | yes it does, but not ready to boot from sda1 |
| 15:38.11 | leowt | mele a1000 |
| 15:38.27 | hramrach | is ther *any* u-boot ready to boot from sda1? |
| 15:41.00 | hramrach | first thing is to make full backup of the nand |
| 15:41.29 | hramrach | because there are some proprietary bootloader bits which may not be easy to replicate |
| 15:42.07 | mnemoc | boot0/boot1 is outside the logical nand space |
| 15:42.17 | leowt | hramrach: tnks 4 the hirony |
| 15:43.51 | leowt | 1st i want to know if nand u-boot and the rest of files like boot.cmd and stuff, works like from SD |
| 15:44.33 | leowt | if not |
| 15:44.37 | leowt | where do i start |
| 15:44.53 | leowt | learning that |
| 15:45.49 | slapin | leowt: what do you need this u-boot for? |
| 15:46.13 | slapin | leowt: read Buildroot instructions on wiki |
| 15:46.26 | leowt | slapin: get rid of SD |
| 15:46.38 | leowt | and boot rootfs from sda |
| 15:47.07 | slapin | leowt: sunxi-current u-boot is not ready for that (yet) you need original one. |
| 15:47.24 | slapin | leowt: which sda? nanda maybe? not possible. |
| 15:47.26 | hramrach | not so sure |
| 15:47.36 | leowt | slapin: sata disk |
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| 15:48.10 | hramrach | maybe you could use the current u-boot but store the files on SATA - if it can read that |
| 15:48.20 | slapin | leowt: well, SPL is not nand-bootable yet. |
| 15:48.29 | slapin | hramrach: a problem is SPL |
| 15:48.34 | hramrach | no |
| 15:48.53 | hramrach | or depends on the way the stuff fits togethre |
| 15:48.59 | hramrach | what reads u-boot? |
| 15:49.19 | mnemoc | u-boot-sunxi's lichee-dev for uImage + initramfs from nand, and then root=/dev/sda1 |
| 15:49.40 | slapin | leowt: if you can make original boot0 boot current u-boot, then it might work (if sata is supported in there, as I don't have any board to test). |
| 15:49.53 | slapin | leowt: USB works for me |
| 15:50.34 | hramrach | or you can make a stub rootfs on nand which just loads kernel from sata and kexecs |
| 15:52.08 | leowt | i must not use usb or sd to boot |
| 15:52.11 | leowt | thats my goal |
| 15:52.15 | leowt | just nand + hdd |
| 15:52.19 | leowt | sata |
| 15:52.42 | hramrach | kexec is probably easiest way atm |
| 15:53.17 | hramrach | you can try to load current u-boot from the nand and have it read the rest from sata |
| 15:53.32 | hramrach | but I have no idea if any u-boot supports sata at all |
| 15:53.39 | slapin | can't agree to hramrach view on ALSA interface quality, though |
| 15:54.30 | hramrach | slapin: I have talked to a few people who tried to use that |
| 15:58.49 | slapin | hramrach: I've used interface myself lots of times for various embedded hardware |
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| 16:16.32 | hno | slapin, don't know. Don't expect much this or next week. Barely have working Internet at the moment (surf works, but not much else, damn corporate firewalls and broken hotel hotspots) |
| 16:19.21 | slapin | hno: can you read mail? |
| 16:25.05 | slapin | hno: I've sent you email |
| 16:31.46 | hno | slapin, when I manage to bypass the firewalls yes.. |
| 16:34.36 | hno | slapin, I have two branches. sunxi-current is only forwarded. sunxi-patchqueue is the one that is rebased. |
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| 16:39.10 | slapin | hno: do you keep these up to date? |
| 16:39.44 | hno | slapin, pushing sunxi-current now. |
| 16:40.58 | nemik | so i booted into a linaro SD image after using the livesuite generated by ./scripts/mk_livesuit_image.sh with a linaro rootfs. |
| 16:41.04 | slapin | hno: and about patchqueue? because I want to base my test branch on it (autocreated). |
| 16:41.30 | nemik | it still has the same nanda/b/c/d/e/f partition structure as Android, not like linux. it also does not boot |
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| 16:44.59 | nemik | the other very weird thing is that when i have "mem=448M.." or whatever in the CMDLINE part of the kernel config, the windows livesuit software rejects the image as invalid. when that param isn't present, it flashes the image fine(but of course does not boot). |
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| 16:48.26 | hno | slapin, sunxi-patchqueue pushed. |
| 16:48.41 | hno | hopefully it still builds. |
| 16:50.34 | hno | slapin, be warned that the NAND clock setting code do not exists in sunxi-patchqueue as no nand patch have been queued yet. |
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| 16:56.28 | slapin | hno: I will make NAND patch, thanks (but IIRC clock setting code belongs somewhere in CPU, no?) |
| 16:58.37 | hno | there is some NAND clock setting code in sunxi-current armv7/sunxi/clock.c |
| 16:58.43 | hno | but not in sunxi-patchqueue. |
| 17:04.44 | slapin | hno: ok, thanks a lot, that should save a lot of time. |
| 17:23.49 | techn_ | drachensun: Hi, I finished that patch redo yesterday.. but started "emulate cursor" patch |
| 17:24.02 | techn_ | I was thinking to send them at same time |
| 17:24.36 | techn_ | but sure.. I can send them separetly |
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| 17:24.42 | drachensun | ok, I was just curious what all you were moving |
| 17:25.08 | drachensun | I was moving a bunch of defines over to the header as my latest project needs to call new ioctls on the driver |
| 17:25.42 | drachensun | and I started thinking that will probably make it a pain to merge depending on how big your overhaul is |
| 17:27.06 | techn_ | not big.. since there is no code reordering.. just removed flags + some code.. + that earlier patch |
| 17:27.41 | techn_ | but I'm not yet sure how much I have to do with pointer event emulation |
| 17:28.16 | techn_ | Thinkgs will be clear during this evening |
| 17:32.40 | drachensun | I think I might have been wrong about the point thing |
| 17:32.48 | drachensun | I'm setting everything up now to have much larger icons |
| 17:32.54 | drachensun | and that seems to work pretty well |
| 17:33.07 | drachensun | and then the pointer doesn't hang out in your view |
| 17:33.16 | drachensun | for precise task it is still nice though |
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| 17:51.03 | nemik | drachensun: do you have that script you wrote for installing linux to the internal NAND flash? |
| 17:51.33 | nemik | i don't see a pengpod image for internal, just ones for SD cards |
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| 18:02.42 | drachensun | its not online yet |
| 18:02.49 | drachensun | it isn't done yet |
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| 18:04.20 | nemik | ok, thanks. if you have any partial work, i could try to help on it too. |
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| 18:20.20 | servili007 | what's the proper way to add UVC camera support to android aside from adding support to the kernel? |
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| 18:40.54 | Kerbonaut_Jarrod | hi all |
| 18:41.34 | Kerbonaut_Jarrod | I would want to discuss/know about: exynos 4 quad (4412 prime) & exynos 5 (5250) |
| 18:42.28 | sky770 | actually not able to decide between ODROID-U2 & ARMBRIX :| |
| 18:43.24 | sky770 | coughs up *ahem*ahem* |
| 18:44.52 | ZaEarl | you won't find much love for exynos in this channel. |
| 18:44.59 | sky770 | ^ aye :D |
| 18:45.04 | sky770 | just curious :) |
| 18:45.09 | specing | You want whatever has SATA and Ethernet |
| 18:45.21 | sky770 | a15 is fkin $$ ^ :( |
| 18:45.29 | sky770 | a15 == exynos 5 |
| 18:46.11 | ZaEarl | chromebook seems like a pretty good deal |
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| 18:47.13 | toxicpsion | to boot fom nand i gotta use lichee uboot? right? |
| 18:47.52 | mnemoc | lichee-dev branch of u-boot-sunxi, yes |
| 18:48.09 | mnemoc | dropping it over nanda's linux/u-boot.bin |
| 18:48.13 | nemik | servili007: the only way i could think of is to use the USB host API in androi and re-writing all the linux kernel drivers to userland stuff with the NDK |
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| 18:51.58 | toxicpsion | mnemoc: thx. just wanted to make sure. |
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| 19:05.21 | vinifm | hi, A13 supports more than 512MB? |
| 19:05.36 | mnemoc | no |
| 19:05.56 | mnemoc | A13 is craplet-optimized |
| 19:08.05 | voronaam | is that 512MB of RAM? |
| 19:08.34 | mnemoc | yes... |
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| 19:40.28 | servili007 | nemik: Well, when I say proper, I mean to the level of support found in stock roms and some mods |
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| 19:40.43 | servili007 | so the work has mostly been done |
| 19:47.00 | TestModule | Is 3.4 supporting x11, hdmi, and usb-host at this moment? |
| 19:47.35 | mnemoc | yes |
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| 20:24.26 | nemik | servili007: ahh ok, sorry. i thought you meant something you could distribute to any phone without modifications to it |
| 20:30.43 | drachensun | mnemoc: Are you sure they A13 wont take 1G ram? I've got one sitting on a shelf here which is supposed to be A13 with 1G |
| 20:38.50 | rm | so what is the problem to turn it on and verify? |
| 20:40.40 | mnemoc | drachensun: I wouldn't put my hands on fire for it, but the A13's datasheet says "Memory Capacity up to 512MB |
| 20:41.40 | mnemoc | otoh the A10S (also sun5i) claims 2GB |
| 20:42.11 | mnemoc | there is an A12 too, but i've never seen any spec for it |
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| 22:14.04 | toxicpsion | hno: ping? |
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| 22:37.02 | TestModule_ | Is there a default config for 3.4? |
| 22:37.26 | TestModule_ | That covers the range of new applicable features |
| 22:39.48 | techn_ | drachensun: I send those patches to you only |
| 22:40.02 | techn_ | I'll continue tomorrow with that other one |
| 22:40.04 | techn_ | gn |
| 22:42.37 | Alex1269 | mnemoc, are you here ? |
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| 22:56.56 | leowt | do development boards come with schematics so that the engineer can design his own board? |
| 23:09.27 | hno | toxicpsion, better to ask than pingng. |
| 23:10.11 | hno | leowt, which development board? Witstech? |
| 23:10.22 | leowt | hno, generally |
| 23:10.24 | toxicpsion | was gonna, just got distracted.... did you ever get anywhere on booting over FEL? |
| 23:11.31 | hno | Yes, we used FEL booting a lot in the early days of trying to understand the DRAM controller. But have nothing polished ot actually working. |
| 23:13.25 | hno | toxicpsion, the old test program is still around at https://github.com/hno/Allwinner-Info/tree/master/A13/test1 but needs a bit of updates. |
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| 23:14.53 | toxicpsion | will that boot on A10? (with work)? |
| 23:15.48 | hno | toxicpsion, look at u-boot dram code for the small differences between A10 and A13. |
| 23:15.57 | toxicpsion | ok... thx. |
| 23:42.58 | TestModule_ | Is 3.4 stable enough to boot with x11 and usbhost? |
| 23:43.20 | TestModule_ | and is there a default config that includes the new features y/n/etc |
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| 23:54.22 | aexl | lo. sorry for the doublepost on ML. i wish there was a forum. |
| 23:56.11 | aexl | i get a "Error: password reset denied" on rhombus when i click the link in the requested mail. |