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| 04:03.16 | drachensun | that does looks like a driver mismatch |
| 04:03.36 | drachensun | this is a whole list of camera drivers in the sun4i_csi/driver directory |
| 04:03.44 | drachensun | yours might just one of the others |
| 04:03.51 | toxicpsion | yea... i think they mighta been in a hurry :| |
| 04:04.45 | toxicpsion | change the reference in script.fex csi0 & kernel should try different .ko right? |
| 04:05.26 | drachensun | I haven't had to mess with it but that sounds right |
| 04:05.36 | drachensun | and make you have the actual driver loaded of course |
| 04:05.47 | drachensun | I'm not really sure how to figure out what you actually have though |
| 04:06.02 | toxicpsion | it should automatically insmod based on the script parser i think. |
| 04:06.05 | drachensun | we usually figure out it by looking at what Android does :/ |
| 04:06.22 | toxicpsion | and of course android does it wrong this time. |
| 04:07.17 | drachensun | well I'm off, good luck, let us know what you find out |
| 04:07.29 | toxicpsion | trial and error :P i'll keep you poseted... conpiling a bunch of script.bin..... i'll keep you posted. |
| 04:07.38 | toxicpsion | stupid typo. :P |
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| 13:41.41 | libv | rpi app store? |
| 13:42.02 | libv | i thought it was halfway december, and not april. |
| 13:42.14 | libv | so much for being "for education!" |
| 13:43.47 | RaYmAn | it's not really clear from the blogpost what kind of cut they are taking |
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| 13:48.09 | hno | "store" "everything they need to get going in one place, for free." |
| 13:48.36 | hno | some semantic mismatch there. |
| 13:53.35 | hno | Anyone using rPI for anything else than XMBC? Every one I met or seen video from only talks XMBC.. |
| 13:53.47 | jinzo | I wonder if this uses the package manager or not. |
| 13:53.59 | jinzo | hno, the others for dust collecting mostly. |
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| 14:51.19 | libv | hrm, my a7hd otg port does not show up in device mode |
| 15:23.05 | slapin_ | hi, all! |
| 15:24.04 | slapin_ | is there anybody in CET here? I just want to know if my timezons set up right - is it 17:23 now? |
| 15:24.18 | slapin_ | in CET? |
| 15:24.18 | libv | 16:23 |
| 15:24.28 | slapin_ | libv: thanks! |
| 15:24.42 | slapin_ | something is broken then... |
| 15:26.31 | Turl | http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/europe/european-union/central-european-time/ |
| 15:30.42 | slapin_ | Turl: thanks, cool clock for me not to miss meetings... |
| 15:30.48 | slapin_ | damn the time difference |
| 15:31.52 | slapin_ | live in one time, work in other and phont talk to gf in another time, and not mess everything up :( |
| 15:32.34 | slapin_ | why an earth is damn dirtball, not good old disc on three elephants :( |
| 15:34.57 | Turl | slapin_: there's one solution to that problem |
| 15:35.30 | Turl | use epoch timestamps on UTC to schedule stuff |
| 15:48.27 | slapin_ | Turl: I can, but I can encourage other people I communicate with to use UTC as time for schedule |
| 15:48.50 | slapin_ | s/can/can't/ |
| 15:48.57 | slapin_ | LOL |
| 15:49.09 | slapin_ | I meant I can't encourage |
| 15:49.30 | slapin_ | so I have to do a lot of time calculations every now and then |
| 15:51.30 | slapin_ | so I can't say storehouse guard that now is just 16:00 UTC, let me in, as his workday is ended in local time... |
| 15:51.38 | slapin_ | damnitall |
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| 16:01.02 | Turl | slapin_: use wolfram alpha |
| 16:05.01 | slapin_ | Turl: what is it? |
| 16:06.27 | Turl | slapin_: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=friday+8+december%2C+13%3A50+GMT%2B8+in+GMT-5 |
| 16:10.59 | aholler | date can handle similiar just fine. |
| 16:12.19 | aholler | [aholler@krabat ~]$ date |
| 16:12.20 | aholler | Mo 17. Dez 17:12:03 CET 2012 |
| 16:12.20 | aholler | [aholler@krabat ~]$ TZ=CEST date |
| 16:12.20 | aholler | Mo 17. Dez 16:12:09 CEST 2012 |
| 16:12.20 | aholler | [aholler@krabat ~]$ TZ=EST date |
| 16:12.22 | aholler | Mo 17. Dez 11:12:11 EST 2012 |
| 16:13.33 | mnemoc | this is the forum-age... if it's not a fancy web service it doesn't work |
| 16:13.49 | mnemoc | s/service/app/ |
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| 16:16.25 | Turl | $ TZ="UTC-5" date -d "Friday 8 December 2012 13:50 GMT+8" |
| 16:16.26 | Turl | sáb dic 8 10:50:00 UTC 2012 |
| 16:16.51 | Turl | didn't know date could do that :) you need to learn the correct TZ name though, GMT-5/UTC-5 doesn't seem to work |
| 16:19.05 | Turl | hm, it does seem to work but it prints UTC instead of UTC+/-X |
| 16:19.11 | aholler | if you already know the differene in hours, a bit brain should be enough |
| 16:21.10 | Turl | 's brain never gets time calculations right |
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| 17:08.59 | slapin_ | mnemoc, Turl: don't count me into 'forum-age', I'm old fashioned and do all date calculations in scripts using TZ=Europe/Something date, but a problem is I don't know all the names I need, and TZ=CET and TZ=CEST doesn't actually work for me for unknown reason, while TZ=GMT or TZ=UTC works. I use Europe/Berlin for CET |
| 17:09.24 | slapin_ | actually, time complexity is too big for my tiny brain |
| 17:14.48 | slapin_ | also all these people especially from US calling for skype meeting at 8 not mentioning which time it is, not even adding am or pm, while knowing perfectly well that people they invite are from many places in world. |
| 17:15.33 | jinzo | what, you mean US is not the center of the world and everything that's happening? |
| 17:16.04 | Turl | to top it all US has several timezones :) |
| 17:16.11 | slapin_ | jinzo: this is Moscow here, not US, so we have different defaults here. |
| 17:16.57 | jinzo | slapin_, ofcourse - as do we in Slovenia. I was joking. |
| 17:17.17 | slapin_ | jinzo: but these US managers are too high on the ladder to hear people they are about to listen to. |
| 17:18.10 | slapin_ | jinzo: not that Moscow is too different to US I'd say, both are very ambitious countries. |
| 17:19.14 | jinzo | but one focuses (for now at least) on internal problems it has aplenty, and the other is exporting their democracy |
| 17:19.31 | slapin_ | Turl: that is also makes me wonder why these managers always act like these - forcing everyone be around their own clock. |
| 17:21.02 | slapin_ | jinzo: I'd say first is focused on making more problems in creative way so people will forget old ones... |
| 17:21.40 | slapin_ | anyway, interesting times we live in.... |
| 17:21.47 | slapin_ | hmmmm... |
| 17:22.30 | slapin_ | espetially, everyone is waiting for 21.12.12 hoping that all the troubles will end soon enough... |
| 17:22.55 | slapin_ | seriously, all the tv talks about this on all channels :( |
| 17:23.26 | slapin_ | and nothing is about NAND controller of A1X... |
| 17:24.14 | slapin_ | is back to hacking... |
| 17:28.44 | traeak | irrelevant |
| 17:28.45 | jinzo | slapin_, priorities eh? :P |
| 17:29.02 | traeak | as lame as all those people claiming they know when the great tribulation is going to start |
| 17:29.17 | xenoxaos | doesnt want to die a virgin... |
| 17:29.54 | traeak | heh, generally irrelevant :-p |
| 17:30.05 | xenoxaos | :P |
| 17:32.51 | traeak | http://us.txtr.com/beagle/ this is an interesting beast, appaerntly costs 13USD to manufacture |
| 17:35.09 | jinzo | some marketing bullshit in there too I see. But looks interesting |
| 17:37.01 | Turl | two AAA batteries and it lasts a year? |
| 17:37.25 | jinzo | yeah, and I have actually worked with an e-ink device |
| 17:37.44 | jinzo | that required a WiFi but still, we got quite a good grip |
| 17:37.52 | traeak | this one is bootoof only |
| 17:38.16 | traeak | two AAA's for 12-15 books |
| 17:38.20 | jinzo | yes, but still - e-ink doesen't consume basicly nothing when it's displaying the data, but when it's changing it |
| 17:38.21 | traeak | that's the meaningful number i think |
| 17:38.58 | jinzo | it's not that lean on the usage. If they would wish to provide meningfull data, they would say how many pageturns is that actually. |
| 17:39.09 | traeak | yes that's correct |
| 17:39.15 | jinzo | that would be something that provides some accurate data. |
| 17:39.21 | traeak | and with a 5" screen the penalty is a bit higher than a 6" |
| 17:40.07 | jinzo | but still, looks interesting. I wonder if (and when) will they lunch |
| 17:40.32 | Turl | they also claim no standby mode |
| 17:40.52 | jinzo | Turl, they don't actually need one. |
| 17:41.06 | traeak | i'm just bitching because i want a 27" eink monitor for coding |
| 17:41.25 | jinzo | if they use a good mcu, they get events when touchscreen is activated and then they change the page |
| 17:41.41 | jinzo | update some memory what's the current page and can go back in deep sleep |
| 17:41.48 | jinzo | traeak, that would not work good. |
| 17:41.59 | Turl | jinzo: if it's sleeping it has a standby mode |
| 17:42.15 | traeak | apparenlty eink can handle 10fps just fine, it just kills the battery (which is irrelevant fo rsomething plugged in) |
| 17:42.18 | jinzo | but, you do not know if it's sleeping or not. so. |
| 17:42.31 | jinzo | traeak, it would flicker waay to much to be usable |
| 17:42.39 | jinzo | at least in current e-ink screens. |
| 17:42.53 | jinzo | they have the ability to only change a portion of the screen (the new ones) |
| 17:42.55 | traeak | flicker at which point though? |
| 17:43.11 | jinzo | traeak, when you would change _anything_ on the screen |
| 17:43.14 | traeak | i'm just a typical vim user, i don't do stupid crap :-p |
| 17:43.23 | jinzo | displaying a cursor for example |
| 17:43.34 | jinzo | or changing one char. |
| 17:43.38 | traeak | sure |
| 17:43.43 | Turl | jinzo: with that criteria kindle doesn't have a standby mode eithr |
| 17:43.46 | Turl | either* |
| 17:43.47 | traeak | but 10fps is more than good enough |
| 17:44.04 | traeak | it's been proven with the kindle that it can be overdriven to do video |
| 17:44.08 | jinzo | (but hopefully they'll improve their tech a bit and they'll be addressing that.) |
| 17:44.15 | traeak | as mentioend it kills battery life but that's not a huge deal |
| 17:44.36 | jinzo | Turl, kindles (even the basic ones) do a lot (and I mean a lot) more than what a simple design like this does. |
| 17:45.01 | Turl | if you need fps on a plugged in appliance why don't you just use an LCD? |
| 17:45.12 | traeak | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24srQXX81Oc |
| 17:45.14 | traeak | there you go |
| 17:45.15 | Turl | jinzo: yeah, it's a full linux system |
| 17:45.19 | traeak | eink full video |
| 17:45.20 | jinzo | Turl, reading the e-ink display (text) is way better |
| 17:45.30 | jinzo | than the text on a lcd |
| 17:45.50 | traeak | i can easily code with that level of refresh rate on a text screen |
| 17:45.59 | jinzo | traeak, yeah I saw that, but it's in developement |
| 17:46.01 | traeak | dual head setup, normal monitor for other stuff |
| 17:46.08 | jinzo | and you cannot readly purchase screens like that. |
| 17:46.16 | traeak | that's correct that's why i'm pissed |
| 17:46.21 | jinzo | at least you couldn't half a year ago. |
| 17:46.28 | traeak | let me find a video of a kindle doing exactly the same |
| 17:46.32 | jinzo | and I didn't check since. |
| 17:46.44 | traeak | ie: it's doable with today's eink, it's just they don't make large screens...why not? |
| 17:47.24 | jinzo | fabrication and overall technological problems. |
| 17:47.33 | jinzo | it's not trivial scaling stuff like that up |
| 17:47.48 | jinzo | and I think we'll first get bigger OLED displays than bigger e-ink displays |
| 17:47.59 | RaYmAn | there are a few 10" eink ereaders, but thye are stupidly expensive (comparatively) |
| 17:48.50 | traeak | just sit and wait for some passive screen technology |
| 17:49.39 | jinzo | yes - it was quite interesting when you could buy a 23" lcd ips for half the price of a 24" lcd ips - just because the technology could produce 23" panels cheaper |
| 17:49.54 | Turl | traeak: if you want it for coding you might want to wait a bit for color eink |
| 17:50.10 | Turl | shouldn't be too far away |
| 17:50.10 | jinzo | "a bit" :D |
| 17:50.16 | Turl | I saw a video of it |
| 17:50.41 | jinzo | for example - look at imx6, and it's a SoC |
| 17:50.46 | Turl | http://news.consumerreports.org/electronics/2012/01/ces-2012-color-e-ink-readers-are-finally-a-reality--though-not-in-the-us.html |
| 17:51.05 | jinzo | a year or so has passed, and people still have troubles buying the quad core version |
| 17:51.12 | Turl | I bet amazon, b&n and kobo will be picking it up soon |
| 17:51.21 | jinzo | amazon probably |
| 17:51.27 | hno | Turl, Yes, the color e-ink technology is there, but it does not really meet any significant demand in current shape so not being produced. |
| 17:51.54 | jinzo | they're the only company in that space that can drive souch a technology forward (as has Apple with unibody designs, flat cells etc.) |
| 17:52.02 | traeak | only so much you can do with a tiny screen |
| 17:52.31 | traeak | and yes it would probaby take an apple like company to push this sadly |
| 17:52.42 | Turl | their not-backlit backlight is pretty good I heard |
| 17:52.53 | traeak | manufacturers don't like to change, it costs money to retool |
| 17:53.00 | hno | But saw some interesting article about a mobile phone with e-ink display on the back. Such application should fit color e-ink nicely. |
| 17:53.26 | jinzo | as Amazon pushed (and bought up the majority) of e-ink displays. |
| 17:53.27 | jinzo | YotaPhone from russia. |
| 17:53.29 | traeak | and that should deal with the biggest problem with phones burning their batteries: the lame display |
| 17:53.31 | Turl | hno: to show rather static info like notifications and weather? |
| 17:53.44 | hno | yes. |
| 17:53.56 | traeak | even time as well |
| 17:54.20 | hno | anything not requiring multiple fps update. |
| 17:54.27 | traeak | the only thing holding back higher refresh on eink is that it burns battery for the refresh rate, eink can do acceptable rates but it then loses its advantage |
| 17:54.53 | jinzo | traeak, again, the currently purchasable e-ink displays cannot do that. |
| 17:54.58 | hno | jinzo, yes that was the one. |
| 17:55.27 | jinzo | not even if you feed it the nearest electricity plant. Because if flickers. If you had a e-ink device in hand you know what I mean. |
| 17:55.46 | traeak | jinzo: the kindle which uses android internally can be overdriven to provide that refresh rate, it's just you burn through a whole book's wortrh of page turns in a few seconds |
| 17:55.46 | Turl | jinzo: the flicker is a software trick |
| 17:56.00 | Turl | you can disable it but you'd get considerable ghosting |
| 17:56.20 | jinzo | so, you can disable it but then it... doesen't work.? |
| 17:56.26 | Turl | it works |
| 17:56.34 | Turl | just grab a kindle or anything |
| 17:56.37 | Turl | and move a few pages |
| 17:56.50 | Turl | and if you look closely you'll see faint marks of the previous pages text |
| 17:56.51 | traeak | http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2012/03/26/kindle-touch-hacked-to-run-video/ |
| 17:56.57 | Turl | until a full refresh is enforced |
| 17:59.12 | jinzo | ah I give up. Like I said - e-ink has some tech in the newer displays (latest gen) that allows changing a portion of the screen |
| 17:59.30 | jinzo | but when I tried the friends latest-1 gen it still flickered |
| 17:59.39 | jinzo | as it did when we worked on the e-ink displays. |
| 18:00.16 | traeak | looks like worst case for eink is 4fps, worse case |
| 18:01.49 | traeak | highest rate ~20fps |
| 18:02.05 | traeak | anyways totally moot since it's not there, sry |
| 18:02.37 | traeak | jinzo: what type of chip waas driving that eink display internally? |
| 18:05.09 | jinzo | epson one, don't know exactly which one - it was based around a 5" e-ink display, that was driven by some epson e-ink driver and ARM cortex-M3 processor. |
| 18:05.24 | jinzo | actually 6" |
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| 18:06.10 | jinzo | b/g/n wifi, and touchscreen ofcourse |
| 18:06.26 | jinzo | the battery life was advertised from 3 to 9 months |
| 18:06.29 | jinzo | but yes... :D |
| 18:06.48 | jinzo | (and no on/off switch) |
| 18:10.56 | jinzo | on the other hand, I see they're expecting color displays in Q1 2012 |
| 18:10.58 | jinzo | *2013 |
| 18:11.00 | jinzo | ofcourse :/ |
| 18:11.21 | jinzo | so they're probably allready working on a prototype with them |
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| 19:19.21 | steev_ | woo, new device arrived, supposed to be compatible with an mk802 |
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| 19:56.59 | rz2k | new mali400 stuff released r3p2-01rel0 - [13 December 2012] |
| 19:57.38 | xenoxaos | dude...that's like 4 days ago..... |
| 19:57.42 | xenoxaos | old new is old |
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| 20:19.16 | rz2k | xenoxaos: you've checked what are the changes? I see xf86-video-mali getting new xorg config... |
| 20:19.43 | xenoxaos | i dunno |
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| 22:32.45 | libv | hrm, g_ether is surprisingly unstable |
| 22:33.34 | libv | i constantly am losing ip addresses :( |
| 22:35.19 | libv | oh. what is NetworkManager running on this hw for. |
| 22:35.41 | steev_ | cuz NM is awesome |
| 22:36.27 | mnemoc | it should be integrated into systemd |
| 22:36.50 | libv | of course it is. |
| 22:36.57 | libv | it all is mashed together |
| 22:37.12 | libv | and when one thing goes wrong, you're f-ed |
| 22:37.41 | mnemoc | it's perfect, like pulseaudio, if something goes wrong it's user's fault |
| 22:38.15 | libv | i was at SuSE when they introduced pulseaudio |
| 22:38.29 | libv | people were still whining about all the issues nm were causing |
| 22:38.55 | libv | i am happy to no longer be too near to the device enablement people there now that they are doing systemd |
| 22:39.24 | libv | what am i doing for new years again, oh wait, hearing about this same old shit again :) |
| 22:39.32 | libv | and how people fall for it every time :) |
| 22:40.53 | mnemoc | at least they haven't rewritten it in C# yet |
| 22:40.55 | libv | but... it could just be that the sunxi ucd driver is not too stable |
| 22:41.10 | libv | mnemoc: that will not happen |
| 22:41.20 | libv | although, it might |
| 22:41.45 | libv | now that the usual gnomies are no longer part of redhats biggest enemy |
| 22:42.39 | libv | give it a few years, the bashing will shift from the long conquered enemy novell, to a new one (canonical?) |
| 22:42.51 | libv | and given time, the bashing of mono will become less and less |
| 22:42.54 | libv | and then... |
| 22:43.28 | libv | oh yeah, with nm disabled, it seems to hold its ip longer now |
| 22:44.34 | specing | I like wicd |
| 22:44.42 | specing | well "like" |
| 22:45.15 | libv | the thing is, all of these bits and bobs are always going to cause trouble, there is no two ways about it |
| 22:45.16 | specing | made it to ignore eth0 once |
| 22:45.26 | specing | was *very* happy |
| 22:45.31 | libv | but the way this is being done is not nice |
| 22:45.55 | libv | loads of noise, and then the noisemaker runs off to break something else, and everyone else gets to pick up the pieces |
| 22:46.14 | libv | by which time, those others are forced to use those bits that so much noise was made about |
| 22:47.06 | specing | libv: where do you work now? |
| 22:47.49 | libv | specing: until 2 months ago, codethink, now german unemployment office, until i have delivered upon lima a bit. |
| 22:47.54 | libv | specing: why? |
| 22:48.10 | specing | just wondering |
| 22:48.20 | libv | "just"? |
| 22:48.36 | specing | "just". |
| 22:49.00 | mnemoc | so lima became state funded :p |
| 22:49.12 | libv | mnemoc: mostly libv funded. |
| 22:49.18 | libv | as it always has been |
| 22:49.47 | libv | specing: i do not by the just in anyway |
| 22:50.00 | libv | specing: what were you trying to imply? |
| 22:50.12 | libv | specing: because i can interprete your question in many directions |
| 22:50.53 | mnemoc | libv: leaving games and cubes aside, can one use current lima to write a simple GL-based HMI app? |
| 22:50.58 | mnemoc | on A10 |
| 22:51.01 | libv | nope |
| 22:51.05 | mnemoc | ok |
| 22:51.23 | libv | we still have not left the research phase |
| 22:52.21 | libv | and there is no gl, there is something resembling gl (because thats how these things end up looking like) which runs on much barer infrastructure |
| 22:56.48 | mnemoc | i had the idea you already had a basic set of gl calls REed |
| 22:57.08 | libv | some, yes |
| 22:57.19 | libv | but you do not get a full fledged gl implementation that way |
| 22:57.42 | libv | you get some limare calls which somewhat amount to the same thing hw wise |
| 22:58.21 | libv | i am figuring out how the hw works and how it all fits together, i am not reimplementing a whole opengles stack |
| 22:58.29 | libv | that's what we will use mesa for in future |
| 22:58.41 | mnemoc | :) |
| 22:58.48 | mnemoc | sounds fair |
| 23:12.52 | libv | with nm disabled, g_ether does seem to work reliably |
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| 23:33.03 | mnemoc | :) |