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| 00:20.06 | L84Supper | EOMA is still an embryonic concept with no solid spec and much left to the imagination |
| 00:21.45 | specing | a.k.a. vapourware |
| 00:23.02 | hno | would not call it vapourware. |
| 00:24.47 | specing | lkclware :) |
| 00:25.21 | L84Supper | keeps him off the streets and out of trouble |
| 00:29.13 | penguin42 | hno: It maybe unkind but it reflects the facts; there is no board and there is no design available |
| 00:29.49 | bfree | http://icubecorp.com/products/ is I presume the cpu lkcl is (optimistically) talking about doubling, shrinking and speed-bumping for the "FSF endorseable" processor ... for 10 million dollars *pinky* ;-) can anyone find a product using it? |
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| 00:36.15 | penguin42 | bfree: Oh well found, I did wonder what he was talking about |
| 00:36.44 | bfree | too many clues given ;-) |
| 00:38.13 | penguin42 | bfree: If it was just a bump/shrink it might be possible; I'd worry more about adding sata/usb-3 etc, and also who knows what the power/performance would be - doing a single core, 8 thread cpu is a bit odd as well |
| 00:39.37 | penguin42 | doesn't know how much it costs to bake a chip these days - I guess 40nm isn't bleeding edge so should be a few $m cheaper; but still $10m is not a lot |
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| 00:42.06 | penguin42 | bitcoinfpga.com has a figure of $4M for the masks |
| 00:44.16 | specing | we have a 2um fab at uni |
| 00:46.00 | penguin42 | right but that's relatively like etching with a chisel |
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| 00:48.37 | penguin42 | bfree: That sight is amazingly neive about the comparison of a quad thread 600MHz CPU to a 2.4GHz single thread cpu |
| 00:52.00 | specing | penguin42: indeeed |
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| 01:01.27 | penguin42 | (Wth would you go 8 threads?) |
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| 01:09.35 | Turl | lkcl: I find it ironic that you are seeking to make a FSF-endorseable processor, yet you sign the document with your skype account :) |
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| 04:09.55 | lerc | Any reccomendations for a qemu-system-arm image for linux? |
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| 09:15.43 | hno | lerc, for what purpose? All Linux-ARM distributions have qemu images I think, pick the flavor you like. |
| 09:21.36 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 09:21.47 | slapin | is burrien in $work$ |
| 09:22.34 | slapin | hno: hi, any tasty things re NAND? |
| 09:23.06 | slapin | looks at wiki |
| 09:23.14 | slapin | no boobs yet :( |
| 09:23.29 | slapin | is frustrated again |
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| 09:42.06 | lerc | hno: I've mostly been chasing broken links and trying images that turn out to be too old to work (like trying to grab stuff from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/*) |
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| 09:58.46 | oliv3r | ( . ) ( . ) |
| 09:58.49 | oliv3r | there, boobies :) |
| 10:00.54 | andoma | impressive |
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| 10:18.19 | slapin | oliv3r: not wiki, though. |
| 10:19.05 | slapin | that's poor motivation - I always hang here already. |
| 10:22.06 | oliv3r | I can put up some boobies on the wiki, dunno if mnemoc will leave them up though ;) |
| 10:22.19 | jquip | LOLZ!!!!! |
| 10:22.43 | oliv3r | hipboi you need to read your mail better! |
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| 11:16.47 | oliv3r | mnemoc: wiki broken! Database error :S |
| 11:19.03 | mnemoc | damn |
| 11:21.04 | oliv3r | I think the boobies broke it slapin' |
| 11:21.14 | mnemoc | aaarg... I hate when they change the schema and "forget" to add the update scripts for pgsql |
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| 11:36.54 | mnemoc | oliv3r: fixed |
| 11:39.24 | oliv3r | works :) |
| 11:51.13 | mnemoc | oliv3r: I fixed master's includes/installer/PostgresUpdater.php ... but I now downgraded it to the latest stable branch (1.20) instead of the claimed "never-broken" master |
| 11:53.33 | slapin | mnemoc: why not just fix some version for a few months? :) |
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| 11:58.41 | mnemoc | slapin: security |
| 11:59.27 | mnemoc | I can't keep track of their vulnerabilities |
| 12:01.33 | slapin | mnemoc: distribution version? |
| 12:01.55 | mnemoc | mediawiki version |
| 12:02.31 | RaYmAn | there is a mediawiki in e.g. debian repos. |
| 12:03.53 | mnemoc | good to know, but running from their stable branch should work fine |
| 12:04.16 | RaYmAn | you'd think so |
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| 12:19.26 | oliv3r | Gentoo! |
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| 13:26.17 | slapin | thinks, if somebody can patent rectangular hexahedron with rounded vertices, so is it possible to patent rectangular hexahedron with non-rounded vertices (or regular box shape)? |
| 13:26.24 | slapin | needs money badly |
| 13:36.01 | penguin42 | slapin: Don't forget UPS have a trademark on a particular shade of Brown; I'm sure there are plenty of others to go for |
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| 14:38.51 | slapin | is depressed by xkcd cancer comics again |
| 14:38.56 | slapin | hno: ping |
| 14:47.39 | hno | slapin, pong |
| 14:52.33 | slapin | hno: anything interestaing lately? |
| 14:52.56 | slapin | hno: any progress with boot block? |
| 14:59.08 | hno | slapin, have practically given up on trying to access randomized & ecc usint CPU. Think we need to use DMA for these requests to make sense. |
| 14:59.46 | hno | too many unknowns in how to do it using CPU access. |
| 14:59.52 | hno | - randomizer function is not known |
| 14:59.57 | hno | - ecc layouts are not known |
| 15:00.18 | hno | - how to drive the nand controller ECC & randomizer properly in CPU mode is not known |
| 15:00.40 | slapin | hno: I don't see how this is related (ecc layouts and DMA) |
| 15:01.17 | hno | When using DMA the NAND controller manages the ECC layout and randomizer automatically. |
| 15:01.53 | slapin | hno: DMA code should be written anew, the Allwinner code is insanely complicated for what it does. |
| 15:02.06 | hno | yes |
| 15:03.16 | slapin | hno: regardless of that, do you probably have register settings which worked for you when you read boot0, I'd like to play with it a bit |
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| 16:32.29 | slapin | hno: ... |
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| 17:16.02 | hno | slapin, https://github.com/hno/Allwinner-Info/blob/master/NAND/boot0.ush |
| 17:17.26 | hno | and https://github.com/hno/Allwinner-Info/blob/master/NAND/A13-brom is a trave of BROM on A13. |
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| 17:24.12 | Turl | mnemoc: I got hit by the 'failed to negociate properly' wemac bug :< |
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| 17:50.23 | mnemoc | techn_: got any private feedback regarding ft5x_ts/android? |
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| 18:23.15 | drachensun | mnenoc: I haven't been able to test it yet, its literally been answer all the emails, sync to send and 10 more are waiting for the last two days |
| 18:23.29 | drachensun | its next on my development to do though |
| 18:24.04 | mnemoc | drachensun: ok, I'll wait for your feedback then |
| 18:24.09 | mnemoc | thanks |
| 18:33.01 | techn_ | mnemoc: no :( |
| 18:34.17 | techn_ | mnemoc: have you seen freeze problems related to uart? |
| 18:34.56 | techn_ | I have now compiled 8250_sunxi as module.. it loads ok.. but unloading freezes whole device |
| 18:35.17 | mnemoc | I haven't power up any toy in over a month |
| 18:37.11 | techn_ | and I think it's causing boot freeze problems with my tablets.. 2/3 boot's freeze.. first boot freezes to u-boot, second to linux uart load.. third boots ok.. |
| 18:37.39 | techn_ | when linux uart is disabled.. every boot is ok |
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| 18:51.55 | drachensun | ok, in LXDE the patch seems to cause some oddities |
| 18:52.35 | drachensun | The cursor is not following my finger and I can not use the menus. I can launch items from my quick launch and then use touch |
| 18:52.52 | drachensun | looking at the xorg log I think its not treating it like a mouse any more |
| 18:53.17 | techn_ | drachensun: could you paste xorg log? |
| 18:54.02 | drachensun | sure |
| 18:54.24 | techn_ | oh.. I have samekind behaviour |
| 18:54.50 | techn_ | but I can use menus |
| 18:55.49 | techn_ | but anyway.. android results would be more interesting |
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| 19:01.37 | drachensun | well this image has something weird in the mali drivers is using or something but the mouse/evdev part is in there |
| 19:01.39 | drachensun | http://pastesite.com/85038 |
| 19:04.27 | techn_ | but sure.. I can take a look if I can make mouse cursor follow the finger |
| 19:05.23 | drachensun | I guess I can actually use the menu |
| 19:05.38 | drachensun | just requires more patience when you cant see :) |
| 19:05.54 | drachensun | is the lack of mouse emulation going to effect anything else? |
| 19:07.54 | techn_ | gt818 driver had samekind behaviour.. mouse doesn't follow finger :p |
| 19:09.51 | drachensun | well in the xorg before it was picking it up as a mouse |
| 19:10.09 | drachensun | but I've gotta run, hopefully I'll be able to get back to this full time soon. |
| 19:12.25 | techn_ | whee.. I have missed something improtant [ccmu] try to set apb1 parent to sata_pll failed! |
| 19:12.56 | techn_ | if sata is disabled.. there is no pll6 enabled :/ |
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| 19:51.00 | Mehhh | Does joshua from Rikomagic talk here? |
| 19:54.32 | rz2k | why he would need that? better harvest money from resells, lemmings will still buy stuff. |
| 19:54.39 | rz2k | same goes for miniand |
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| 19:55.33 | mnemoc | at least miniand makes their own board... |
| 20:01.48 | Mehhh | rz2k, pengpod? |
| 20:02.02 | rz2k | pengpod relies on us |
| 20:03.13 | mnemoc | pengpod is drachensun's project |
| 20:03.34 | mnemoc | he is here |
| 20:04.01 | Mehhh | Yeh I know, I thought that's what rz2k was talking about |
| 20:04.18 | rz2k | rikomagic just resells stuff |
| 20:04.23 | Mehhh | Luckily I have the mk802 so the morons will force more development :) |
| 20:04.29 | rz2k | miniand too, but they did their own board for some reason |
| 20:04.32 | Mehhh | ::: claps ::: |
| 20:14.52 | Mehhh | Does the USB port ( female, standard size) support OTG if I short the left two? |
| 20:14.56 | Mehhh | and power |
| 20:15.00 | Mehhh | (mk802) |
| 20:15.18 | Mehhh | I want to rip off / reflow the full usb and make a micro usb |
| 20:19.32 | mnemoc | aren't there $1 adapters for that? |
| 20:20.07 | Mehhh | lol i wish |
| 20:20.16 | Mehhh | most are 4 pin from china |
| 20:20.26 | Mehhh | also, i'm shoving it in a lapdock |
| 20:20.28 | Mehhh | so |
| 20:20.45 | Mehhh | i had to remove the large USB for space reasons |
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| 20:30.56 | newa10 | hi |
| 20:31.40 | Mehhh | SUp brah |
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| 21:15.02 | Turl | mnemoc: ping |
| 21:15.18 | mnemoc | Turl: |
| 21:15.54 | Turl | mnemoc: did you read my earlier message about wemac? :) |
| 21:19.09 | mnemoc | yes |
| 21:20.43 | mnemoc | Turl: i guess |
| 21:21.11 | mnemoc | 'failed to negociate properly' thing? |
| 21:21.28 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah, it's defaulting to half duplex, 10Mbit |
| 21:21.39 | mnemoc | yes, there is a ticket about it iirc |
| 21:21.40 | Turl | if you have any ideas to debug I can try them :) |
| 21:22.23 | mnemoc | not really. I have my head 99.98% somewhere else |
| 21:22.34 | Turl | ok, np |
| 21:22.45 | mnemoc | people has mentioned that we should switch back to usleeps |
| 21:22.54 | Turl | the bug isn't going anywhere I guess |
| 21:22.57 | mnemoc | which is the only bit of lundman's patch which still in place |
| 21:23.34 | mnemoc | i don't understand how a patch that made so much people happy in the begining, go that many haters now |
| 21:23.38 | Turl | if I use ethtool I can set it up back to 100Mbit full duplex |
| 21:23.42 | Turl | $ sudo mii-tool |
| 21:23.42 | Turl | eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok |
| 21:23.43 | mnemoc | maybe related to the PLL change |
| 21:23.57 | mnemoc | yes, it's known |
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| 21:26.02 | mnemoc | there is a timing issue in the negociation which needs to be fixed. but reverting the usage of delay insterad of usleep doesn't sound like a real fix |
| 21:27.18 | Turl | indeed |
| 21:33.24 | penguin42 | http://www.portwell.com.tw/products/PQ7-M102XL.html is very sillly CPU in the corner, HUGE chipset chip |
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| 21:48.35 | Turl | heh, chipset > cpu |
| 21:49.35 | penguin42 | not just > but >>> |
| 21:51.13 | rz2k | libv: techn_: I have a noobish question about dri2: how do we ensure that software that was compiled againts mesa libs will use our MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap (which is ARM's implementation of DRI2SwapBuffers) from our xf86 drivers? |
| 21:52.00 | rz2k | There is a structure (DRI2InfoRec) that is filled on init, but I feel that that is not everything that is needed. |
| 21:52.59 | rz2k | or we need to rewrite damn libdri2? mesa also has a libdricore right now and some basic drivers for omap/exynos/intel.. |
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| 21:53.17 | techn_ | rz2k: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/xf86-video-mali/blob/r3p0-04rel0/src/mali_dri.c#L522 |
| 21:53.36 | rz2k | I know |
| 21:53.38 | techn_ | it seems to be done with function pointer |
| 21:54.07 | rz2k | but thats not all, our demos built against mesa expect DRI2SwapBuffers |
| 21:55.48 | techn_ | yep.. maliegl libs are build somehow wrong.. they declare that function but don't define it.. or give dynamic library tip where to find it |
| 21:56.01 | rz2k | which is now provided by libdri2 and libdri2 is pure software implementation. UMP initializes only one pixmap at start |
| 21:56.11 | rz2k | it should do that for all dri2 usage instances |
| 21:56.28 | rz2k | I expect that this is why I have 10fps in glcompbench |
| 21:56.40 | rz2k | s/glcompbench/glmemperfbench/ |
| 21:57.32 | penguin42 | looks oddly at the bot |
| 21:58.27 | techn_ | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/hw/xfree86/dri2/dri2.h?id=f311f2d047120fb816897444d2101465ff5189db#n170 , http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/hw/xfree86/dri2/dri2.c?id=f311f2d047120fb816897444d2101465ff5189db#n545 , http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/hw/xfree86/dri2/dri2.c?id=f311f2d047120fb816897444d2101465ff5189db#n576 |
| 21:58.50 | techn_ | DRI2SwapBuffers calls MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap |
| 21:59.21 | rz2k | with libdri2 it does not |
| 21:59.38 | techn_ | thats dri2 lib |
| 21:59.42 | rz2k | I'm missing the clue how to make ' DRI2SwapBuffers calls MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap' actually happen |
| 22:00.16 | rz2k | without libdri2 we have dri2swapbuffers as missing symbol :p |
| 22:00.16 | techn_ | hmm.. could you paste your xorg.conf |
| 22:00.25 | rz2k | I have default one |
| 22:01.04 | techn_ | Option"DRI2_WAIT_VSYNC" "false" try to with "true" here |
| 22:02.18 | rz2k | nope, that only sets use_pageflipping_vsync to 1 |
| 22:02.25 | rz2k | and calls platform_wait_for_vsync(pScrn, fPtr->fb_lcd_fd); |
| 22:02.28 | techn_ | hmm.. no page_flip should enable it |
| 22:02.42 | rz2k | yeah, pageflipping is by default on |
| 22:03.02 | rz2k | platform_wait_for_vsync(pScrn, fPtr->fb_lcd_fd); is not implemented yet, anyway. |
| 22:03.16 | rz2k | I've replaced 'platform_orion' with sunxi by the way |
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| 22:15.00 | techn_ | ok |
| 22:15.23 | techn_ | are you sure it compiles this branch #if DRI2INFOREC_VERSION >= 4 ? |
| 22:15.56 | techn_ | since there is typo? info.ScheduleSwap = MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap; .. shouldn't it be info.ScheduleSwap = &MaliDRI2ScheduleSwap; |
| 22:15.59 | techn_ | ? |
| 22:18.55 | rz2k | lets start with return type being int instead of DRI2ScheduleSwapProcPtr :p |
| 22:19.35 | rz2k | I will test it in few days, if you are able to do it - please do. |
| 22:19.55 | rz2k | I'm away from my devices right now, just reading sources in free time. |
| 22:20.49 | techn_ | I'm trying to solve this boot freeze problem.. so I'll get more device to test with :p |
| 22:24.05 | rz2k | good luck with that, I'm going to bed. |
| 22:24.07 | rz2k | good night. |
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| 23:57.40 | WarheadsSE | waves to techn_ |