| 01:00.55 | slapin | hno: ping |
| 01:01.15 | slapin | hno: have you got email? |
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| 01:16.36 | hno | slapin, no email from you. |
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| 01:17.37 | Michael_ | Hi everyone! |
| 01:17.44 | lundman | hno: good luck with uboot, its hard work, but worth it in the end :) |
| 01:18.25 | Michael_ | Is there anyone that can help with a bad focaltech touchscreen after wrong firmware flash? |
| 01:19.45 | Michael_ | I already have tried to flash the eeprom from the touchscreen, but it fails on reading the ID :( |
| 01:20.09 | Michael_ | I think the eeprom is empty... |
| 01:20.21 | Michael_ | Anyone? :( |
| 01:21.32 | bsdfox | what's stored in the eeprom? |
| 01:21.46 | bsdfox | probably just calibration data and maybe serial number or something |
| 01:21.53 | Michael_ | i think it is now empty |
| 01:22.11 | Michael_ | the driver does not load because he does not find it... |
| 01:22.28 | slapin | hno: Nov 25 15:20:40 build sm-mta[26537]: qAPKKbdr026535: to=<henrik@henriknordstrom.net>, ctladdr=<slapin@build.ossfans.org> (1001/1001), delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=123925, relay=home.hno.se. [IPv6:2001:470:df90::1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (qAPKKcwx017582 Message accepted for delivery) |
| 01:22.30 | Michael_ | from what i know, the focaltech touchscreens have a little firmware... |
| 01:23.49 | hno | slapin, odd.. Let me hunt a bit. |
| 01:24.53 | Michael_ | did anyone here knows how the FT5406 from focaltech that are found in many A10 tablets works? |
| 01:25.28 | hno | slapin, found it. |
| 01:28.07 | slapin | ah, cool |
| 01:28.29 | Michael_ | here is the dmesg that i've got when it tries to update the focaltech eeprom: http://pastie.org/private/15yzlrnf8sqry0nmkiqga |
| 01:28.39 | hno | had a little filter in evolution that kindly hid most new mails. |
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| 01:52.57 | drachensun | Micheal_ what rootfs are you running |
| 01:53.06 | drachensun | Linaro? |
| 01:53.55 | drachensun | I'm about to be AFK, so two suggestions |
| 01:54.05 | drachensun | try 'apt-get install utouch' |
| 01:54.14 | drachensun | and see if that gets it working |
| 01:55.11 | drachensun | another think to try is my commit here https://github.com/npeacock/linux-allwinner/commit/f0c9753483e965bce180dab4cbcc09705e35abc9 |
| 01:55.28 | drachensun | but I found this was not longer needed after the user space fix of installing utouch |
| 01:56.49 | drachensun | I see he logged off, oh well |
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| 02:30.31 | Marex | drachensun: you can always build your own rootfs with multistrap ;-) |
| 02:36.30 | drachensun | I'm probably going to have to soon, thats actually a pretty good help page they have for it too. |
| 02:43.51 | hno | slapin, answered. |
| 02:44.20 | hno | slapin, we really should keep this in wiki. |
| 02:48.06 | hno | Ga... got answer from SK Hynix on datasheet request "For your request, please contact the nearest Hynix office" as if local sales offices are likely to know what they do not mention in their datasheets? |
| 02:49.08 | hno | s/datasheet/datasheet clarification/ |
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| 04:10.46 | slapin | hno: that means "you write something we can't understand, probably you need to write to different person, or you're not a person we care to answer, we won't forward your request farther, just pass by" |
| 04:11.01 | slapin | hno: I'd try to contact them via Olimex |
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| 05:09.13 | L84Supper | it's very common for suppliers to refer questions to their local sales office, especially large OEM's like Hynix |
| 05:10.37 | Marex | L84Supper: you'll get the datasheet alongside your 10M chips order ;-) |
| 05:10.57 | L84Supper | you might be surprised by how much time a low income generating or non-customer can waste in time and support |
| 05:37.52 | Marex | L84Supper: I doubt there's still anything that can surprise me |
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| 07:56.49 | hno | At least they did answer. |
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| 08:54.29 | jquip | Hallo, can someone tell me where do I put the ttl pins on this board?? http://linux-sunxi.org/File:H6-netbook-mainboard.jpg .. I have PL20303HX |
| 08:54.58 | jquip | s/20303/2303/ |
| 08:57.35 | libv | jquip: so you got a ttl uart to usb device? |
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| 08:58.24 | libv | jquip: you can ignore +?V |
| 08:58.30 | libv | jquip: gnd is any ground you can find |
| 08:58.52 | libv | tx/rx, could be anything |
| 08:59.06 | jquip | libv: yes finally! |
| 08:59.24 | jquip | hno said no way further if i dont get one.. |
| 08:59.36 | jquip | so yeah :) |
| 09:00.15 | jquip | but..libv i can't find the darn pins.. where do I connect them? |
| 09:00.17 | libv | jquip: i suggest taking better pictures of both sides of the board, this one is a bit out of focus near the cpu |
| 09:00.28 | libv | jquip: this is the million dollar question |
| 09:00.39 | jquip | libv: hahaha.. yeahh |
| 09:02.04 | jquip | lemme get a better shot and upload... 5 mins.. |
| 09:02.21 | libv | if nothing obvious points to uart, like a group of 4 pins made to be soldered, then it usually is on the test pads |
| 09:02.35 | libv | you see a group of 4 test pads to the left of the A10 |
| 09:03.13 | jquip | well for what its worth: yes... I have a hunch it could be those... to the top left where the board ends right? |
| 09:03.27 | jquip | center top side.. |
| 09:03.44 | jquip | its already kinda marked with a white border... |
| 09:03.45 | libv | i count 5 connections there |
| 09:04.30 | jquip | yes there are 5 and one of them (at the bottom) is square.. |
| 09:04.43 | jquip | if you notice it a bit.. |
| 09:04.45 | libv | square is gnd. |
| 09:04.57 | libv | notice that i stated 3-4 for uart. |
| 09:05.20 | libv | the one you are talking about is probably usb |
| 09:06.08 | jquip | hmmm, it seemed like the only obvious one though.. |
| 09:06.36 | libv | count. |
| 09:06.50 | jquip | ahah yes I counted there are 5 :D |
| 09:06.51 | libv | so definitely not |
| 09:07.51 | jquip | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.41 | hno | jquip, hard to say with such blurred picture. But there probably is uart somewhere as they have provided pads next to the CPU for JTAG but not UART. |
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| 09:26.38 | Mehhh | Does anyone here have the motorola HD docking station ? |
| 09:30.50 | jquip | hno, libv sorry about that... uploading better quality ones right now.. |
| 09:31.28 | oliv3r | jquip: your 10 mins are up! where are thoe better pics :p |
| 09:32.13 | oliv3r | mnemoc: I saw you added an 'A10s' soc, I guess that's a 'scrapped A10'? :p chips with errors in the 'disabled' components? |
| 09:33.26 | jquip | oliv3r: hehe erm, working with a borrowed DSLR cam ... not that easy |
| 09:34.54 | oliv3r | jquip: no worries :) |
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| 09:40.42 | mnemoc | oliv3r: the A10s is sun5i |
| 09:42.34 | mnemoc | oliv3r: it feels like a middle point between A10 and A13, in an small package |
| 09:42.50 | jquip | hno, libv : pls try : http://linux-sunxi.org/File:H6-netbook-mainboard.jpg, the thumbnail is showing the old one though.. open in another tab |
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| 09:45.00 | jquip | and another one , the back - http://linux-sunxi.org/File:H6-netbook-mainboard-back.jpg |
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| 09:47.01 | hno | jquip, odd. Looks like serial may be going to that P5 after, on pin 1 & 2. The square pin is NOT GND. |
| 09:47.08 | hno | (pint 1) |
| 09:47.16 | hno | s/pint/pin/ |
| 09:48.33 | hno | jquip, what is connected on P4? Some USB device? |
| 09:49.01 | jquip | well this guy has three usb ports,, one of which is OTG.. |
| 09:50.16 | libv | :) |
| 09:50.27 | jquip | it apparently had a another mini usb port(dev port i think) which has been removed.. if you look at the left of the three usb's |
| 09:50.32 | jquip | you can see the dent |
| 09:50.43 | jquip | ahemm... I |
| 09:51.36 | jquip | i'm still not as brilliant as you guys.. |
| 09:52.07 | hno | jquip, what do the cables connected in P4 connect to? |
| 09:54.00 | jquip | P4 definitely seems to be that dev mini usb |
| 09:54.06 | jquip | which was removed |
| 09:54.35 | hno | P4 is straigt opposite on the board, next to the GL850G USB hub. |
| 09:57.51 | jquip | Oh!! that one |
| 09:58.17 | jquip | *slaps head... i didnt see that.. |
| 09:58.36 | jquip | that one is going to the webcam |
| 09:59.00 | hno | jquip, I think that board can come with either 3 full size USB, or 2 full size USB and one micro-USB. |
| 09:59.08 | hno | jquip, is that an USB web cam? |
| 09:59.23 | hno | No wifi? |
| 09:59.46 | jquip | arrgh... |
| 09:59.54 | jquip | correction.. p6 -> webcam |
| 10:00.02 | jquip | p4 wifi chip.. |
| 10:00.29 | jquip | p6 is toward the right of the p4 header |
| 10:01.30 | hno | Anyway, UART is almost certain on P5 pin 1 & 2 (square pin and next pin). |
| 10:02.51 | hno | P5 and P6 are probably USB ports. Should be easy to verify by starting the tablet and looking what's on the USB bus. |
| 10:03.00 | hno | Err, P4 & P6. |
| 10:03.31 | libv | this looks like an interesting piece of kit: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Android-laptop-13-3-inch-notebook/672466819.html |
| 10:03.34 | jquip | mostly seems like.. I'll check what lsusb gives |
| 10:04.04 | hno | P4 looks like it has alternative mounting with on-board wifi USB module on J4. |
| 10:06.18 | hno | In P5 the pins are probably TX, RX, VCC, GND, GND. |
| 10:06.39 | jquip | okay... |
| 10:06.42 | jquip | I've seen other chips which are not part of the main board, with the wifi chip stuck onto it.. |
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| 10:08.17 | jquip | should i solder the pins onto them now? and fire up minicom 115200 |
| 10:09.15 | hno | libv, "Processor Manufacture: AMD " "Processor Model: Allwinner A10 "? |
| 10:09.47 | libv | someone else said in here that the top description should always be ignored |
| 10:11.37 | hno | looks like |
| 10:12.40 | hno | Android 4, but no touch screen. |
| 10:14.39 | oliv3r | Backreading (sorry i'm slow; ps nice sharp pics) it looks like the mini USB is directly connected to the USB port next to it |
| 10:17.06 | hno | yes. |
| 10:17.52 | oliv3r | jquip: you can solder your ground to somewhere that's 'guaranteed ground' (e.g. measure between one of those P5 pins and any gnd/shell and use that) and then just hold your wire against one oft hose wires to 'test' it |
| 10:18.34 | oliv3r | but hno seems to be spot on with square (pin 1) and pin 2 being tx/rx (or rx/tx) so should be fairly easy to figure out which one it is |
| 10:19.51 | oliv3r | test pins for the PS2 port seem to be somewhat exposed at the bottom next to the SD card slot |
| 10:20.13 | oliv3r | and you can solder some extra nand into U9 :D |
| 10:22.19 | hno | So the flat cable in J10 is most likely keyboard. jquip? |
| 10:23.17 | hno | those test pads corresponds to the pins of J10. |
| 10:28.12 | oliv3r | J9 is probably then a PS2 mouse or touchpad? |
| 10:28.39 | oliv3r | though J9 seems to be called GND_K1, could be keypad1 even |
| 10:28.47 | oliv3r | if there's extra buttons maybe? |
| 10:28.51 | hno | The Holtec chip is an EC. |
| 10:29.05 | oliv3r | where did you spot that? |
| 10:29.06 | hno | http://www.holtek.com.tw/chinese/docum/computer/82b40x.htm |
| 10:29.17 | hno | next to the USB ports. |
| 10:29.25 | oliv3r | ah yes I see |
| 10:29.36 | oliv3r | temperature sensors? PWM for fans etc? |
| 10:29.40 | hno | And USB hub is opposite the board. |
| 10:29.58 | hno | I would guess keyboard + keypad + power button + something more. |
| 10:30.19 | hno | because if they knew how to use the A10 they would not have an EC. |
| 10:30.29 | oliv3r | lol |
| 10:30.37 | oliv3r | so badly designed board? |
| 10:31.06 | hno | Not badly designed. Designed using stuff they know works. |
| 10:31.49 | hno | but very odd layout. |
| 10:31.55 | libv | will the ec get in the way? |
| 10:32.03 | hno | in the way of what? |
| 10:32.17 | libv | like the ec's on x86 which make coreboot/flashrom pretty impossible |
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| 10:33.03 | hno | not really. It's messy on the X86 laptops as the EC is usually using the same flash memory. In this case the EC has it's own built in mask rom. |
| 10:33.41 | oliv3r | on that holtec chip, port A could be connected to some IC which is also unpopulated. Wonder what they'd want there |
| 10:34.04 | hno | The EC is just there so they did not need to worry about how the PS2 & deep standby modes of the A10 works. |
| 10:34.58 | libv | as for the 13.3" a10 device without a touchscreen: android is not the goal for most of us here anyway :) |
| 10:35.28 | oliv3r | Why are there 2 crystals near the A10? X2 is probably a 32 kHz crystal for the RTC, but X3 ... also can't find the 24 MHz Main osc., don't think it's X4 .. |
| 10:35.30 | libv | but we are a bit of a niche |
| 10:35.55 | oliv3r | which netbook does this mainboard come out of? |
| 10:36.24 | jquip | Hallo sorry was away... hno: J10 is for the keyboard |
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| 10:37.07 | jquip | j9 is for the keypad |
| 10:37.57 | oliv3r | hah! |
| 10:38.17 | oliv3r | what notebook is this? some more pics to look at? just curious is all |
| 10:38.37 | libv | oliv3r: i think it is the allwinner netbook as pasted all over aliexpress |
| 10:38.50 | libv | the one that resembles the via wm* devices |
| 10:39.30 | libv | board made to fit the same hw it seems, which explains why hdmi is missing |
| 10:40.33 | mnemoc | the only "better" thing yones' laptop has is the screen |
| 10:40.37 | mnemoc | others are junk |
| 10:40.54 | mnemoc | they neglected to add sata and hdmi |
| 10:41.00 | jquip | haha :D you want uncropped pics oliv3r?? it's the h6 , http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/08/02/allwinner-a10-based-h6-android-4-0-netbook-sells-for-140/ |
| 10:41.44 | mnemoc | jquip: the h6 is 10" and 1024x600. yones' is 13.3" and 1024x800 |
| 10:42.20 | jquip | libv: yeah youre right, a wm8650 netbook did come out with the same outer shell .. its the same design , with the a10 board |
| 10:42.28 | jquip | this has 10'' inch |
| 10:42.36 | jquip | screen |
| 10:42.37 | mnemoc | http://armdevices.net/2012/10/12/116-13-3-allwinner-a10-laptop-by-yones-toptech/ |
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| 10:47.24 | jquip | I just dont get it.. why would they not offer linux with these laptops.. they would be so much better to work with.. and to make the android system you still need the base linux kernel anyway... Android for a laptop is such a bad bad business decision.. |
| 10:48.33 | hno | jquip, because Allwinner have not understood Linux. |
| 10:49.15 | jquip | they know to make microprocessors!! and they have never worked on a linux machine??? |
| 10:49.16 | libv | for that matter, who in that business has understood linux :) |
| 10:51.08 | mnemoc | jquip: they have a ubuntu server for compiling and everything else is windows based |
| 10:51.23 | mnemoc | all code is ^Med |
| 10:52.13 | mnemoc | and GBK encoded obviusly |
| 10:54.30 | oliv3r | that IC+ IC is a 'Mobile Multimedia Broadcast Demodulator IC' |
| 10:55.44 | oliv3r | its sad that these companies work that way, but I guess they don't really care enough, they just want to sell their chips lots and lots |
| 10:56.10 | oliv3r | but I guess having expertise in house (android in essense is still linux) would be much better in the end |
| 10:56.17 | oliv3r | but yes yes i know, preaching to the choir :O) |
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| 11:08.31 | oliv3r | jquip: does the netbook really have some form of radio transceiver? Can't belive it really is, don't see any tuner either |
| 11:08.50 | hno | oliv3r, which ic? |
| 11:09.42 | jquip | radio? not that i know of.. |
| 11:10.43 | jquip | it does not have radio, what makes you say that... |
| 11:10.45 | jquip | oliv3r |
| 11:10.54 | oliv3r | hno: IC+ IF101 |
| 11:11.01 | oliv3r | near the SD card |
| 11:11.10 | hno | Ah, see it now. |
| 11:11.33 | oliv3r | the datasheet i ffound (could be diffeerent chip, of course) claims that it's some sort of analog demodulator |
| 11:11.35 | hno | That should be the ethernet PHY. |
| 11:11.46 | hno | with transformer on the other side. |
| 11:12.41 | oliv3r | ah, the trxcom does look like one |
| 11:13.24 | oliv3r | and the connector right of the pink one is an ethernet port, i thought it was sata or somesuch, ethernet makes more sense :) |
| 11:13.52 | hno | Can't really read the chip markings on the IC+ chip, but it should be an MII PHY. |
| 11:14.21 | jquip | i can help.. wait ... |
| 11:14.22 | oliv3r | I thought I read IF101A LF 1234C15 CP4F200.00 |
| 11:14.48 | hno | Not sure if that's an F A or B. |
| 11:14.51 | jquip | oliv3r is right |
| 11:15.00 | oliv3r | or |
| 11:15.02 | oliv3r | if its IP101A |
| 11:15.07 | oliv3r | iP makes sense too |
| 11:15.15 | oliv3r | and i think it is a P, you can see the round curl |
| 11:15.39 | oliv3r | ICplus.com.tw/pp-PP101A.html |
| 11:16.03 | jquip | hey its a P |
| 11:16.28 | jquip | it was faint but the markings are there... |
| 11:16.33 | oliv3r | well IP101A is a single port 10/100 Fast Ethernet Tranceiver (see link) |
| 11:16.57 | hno | link? |
| 11:17.07 | oliv3r | http://icplus.com.tw/pp-PP101A.html |
| 11:19.10 | jquip | http://www.icplus.com.tw/pp-IP101A.html works |
| 11:19.52 | jquip | will be back in 20 mins.. |
| 11:19.55 | oliv3r | oh even www *sigh* (i didn't actually visit the site, it's the google result :p) |
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| 11:59.42 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 12:00.36 | slapin | any links on <$30 7" displays? capacitive touch is not needed, resistive is even better? |
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| 12:38.29 | oliv3r | nothing on dx.com? |
| 12:38.36 | oliv3r | or ebay :p |
| 12:41.13 | mnemoc | slapin: weren't you going to be fired today? |
| 12:42.18 | slapin | mnemoc: I missed the opportunity, thanks you remember it. |
| 12:44.30 | slapin | mnemoc: they think it is better for them that I finish my projects, than short-term satisfaction |
| 12:47.15 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:47.38 | oliv3r | which means more mtd work to be done in their time? :D |
| 12:50.00 | slapin | mnemoc: they are still very angry with me though, cause I come to work late and report nothing for weeks, while department I work in is not that important (hardware development provides far less income than sales), and they consider closing it every year, so I hope I find something cool before they close hardware department. |
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| 12:52.26 | oliv3r | *facepalm* why are you always late!! :( |
| 12:52.26 | slapin | mnemoc: my paid work, if left as is, would take 24h/day, and the rest of team is very motivated and young (and underpaid), I'm well paid, but very lazy and slow, comparing to them. I resolve fuck-ups fast for them, this is probably why I'm still needed. |
| 12:54.25 | slapin | oliv3r: I can't do anything about it - put any time where I'm required to come to work, and I will be late. I can comply with short-range schedules, but I can't come 12pm every day to work, I can do it for weeks and even for several months, but then it gets into chaos. |
| 12:55.14 | hno | slapin, too much other interesting things to do. |
| 12:55.32 | oliv3r | lol |
| 12:56.00 | jquip | slapin: sometimes it does have a tendency to come and bite you back hard though... |
| 12:56.56 | slapin | oliv3r: if projects are not schedule-intensive and managers don't care much on arrival time, I perform well, but as managers become bigger and try to do what they think they are for here, to get things in order, than troubles start. |
| 12:58.40 | slapin | some people illustrate totally altruistic approach, even spending nights at office before release, even living here for weeks, so I look very unmotivated before them |
| 12:59.09 | oliv3r | ah, you work for some gamestudio :p |
| 12:59.19 | slapin | and everybody have families and small kids, so that can't be used as an excuse... |
| 12:59.34 | jquip | it's true for all research + coding based projects.. you cant really put a number of days on the thing... the same bug which took 3 days to figure out one day can take 15 minutes on another.. |
| 12:59.36 | mnemoc | slapin: I'm on a very similar case. been the C/linux guy along with a dozen of VB.net apes |
| 13:00.31 | slapin | oliv3r: no, hw department at local holding, division, which concentrates on public transport tracking (GLONASS, etc.) |
| 13:00.47 | oliv3r | oh cool :) |
| 13:01.19 | oliv3r | What i ment though, is that what those gamestudio's do, hire young kids, that are motiviated, pay them next to nothing and make them work long long hours |
| 13:01.25 | oliv3r | naturally they aare burned out before they are 35 |
| 13:01.37 | oliv3r | slow but steady is best approach imo |
| 13:01.51 | oliv3r | mnemoc: VB.net apes heh :D |
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| 16:10.22 | slapin | hno: tegra NAND driver is not much help, as they can split the task of executing commands and reading buffers, unlike us. |
| 16:12.11 | mnemoc | madmalkav: http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400 |
| 16:12.45 | madmalkav | mnemoc, thx |
| 16:15.28 | vinifm | sunxi_uart has not uart_ops, therefore it does not support read() and write()? |
| 16:16.29 | mnemoc | vinifm: there are fallbacks if you don't implement something... like class inherence |
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| 16:27.14 | mnemoc | vinifm: the register functions bind the missing callbacks with generic ones |
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| 16:51.29 | steev | allwinner peeps, is there an a5? |
| 16:51.49 | Turl | cortex a5? |
| 16:51.52 | steev | no |
| 16:51.56 | steev | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0093XTHHM/ref=s9_hps_ft_g147_ir01?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-5&pf_rd_r=0YN9MD2C6MVE3E0JQRAD&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_p=1420887002&pf_rd_i=1000847391 |
| 16:52.01 | steev | wtf processor does that have |
| 16:52.30 | Turl | steev: >Processor1.0 GHz Apple A5 |
| 16:52.38 | steev | right |
| 16:52.39 | Turl | yeah that looks about right ;) |
| 16:52.48 | Turl | :P |
| 16:52.53 | steev | look at the top details though |
| 16:53.00 | steev | it claims to be an "All winner A5" |
| 16:53.27 | Turl | yeah |
| 16:53.38 | Turl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.39 | Turl | o.O |
| 16:53.49 | mnemoc | actions, the company from which allwinner spinned of, has a quad cortex-a5 |
| 16:54.06 | mnemoc | off* |
| 16:55.40 | mnemoc | but that's probably an A10 |
| 16:58.57 | bfree | http://www.cobyusa.com/?p=prod&prod_num_id=10671&pcat_id=3001 says Cortex-A5 (Telechips) |
| 17:00.05 | mnemoc | didn't know telechips' a5 supported sata |
| 17:10.35 | Turl | the tablet has sata? o.O |
| 17:10.59 | hno | slapin, I think we need to do the same to know how much to read. The two kontrollers are quite similar in many ways even if the bits differ. |
| 17:13.04 | slapin | hno: I see no much similarity, as it directly controls control lines like ALE and CLE, etc, and commands and data are quite well separated. |
| 17:16.15 | mnemoc | Turl: that amazon listing says it has ;-) |
| 17:16.59 | Turl | is Polaroid PMID705x an A10 device? |
| 17:18.29 | mnemoc | Turl: btw, I did finally receive 2 "amazon basics" class 10 SD cards... and, just like the cheap chinese class 10 cards, writing is around ~4MB/s |
| 17:19.10 | Turl | mnemoc: with amazon you can return them at least ;) |
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| 20:12.10 | steev | in good news, my arm chromebook should (finally) be here the 29th (i got the 3g version) |
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| 20:15.48 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:16.03 | RaYmAn | nice :) |
| 20:16.23 | mnemoc | after two weeks in memphis' post office mine reached NY today... |
| 20:16.30 | RaYmAn | woo! |
| 20:16.33 | RaYmAn | that's progress |
| 20:16.35 | RaYmAn | of sorts |
| 20:16.44 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:17.17 | mnemoc | i naively had the hope they had forgotten to update the state but it was already crossing the pond |
| 20:17.21 | mnemoc | but no |
| 20:18.48 | RaYmAn | :( |
| 20:18.59 | hno | slapin, page read commands annoys me. Seems to do what they shuould up to 2 sectors, but have to reset the controller to access the result, ram locked out otherwise. |
| 20:19.12 | RaYmAn | Did I mention I took mine apart and reflashed the rootkeys with dev keys? |
| 20:19.41 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: url? :) |
| 20:19.57 | RaYmAn | url? |
| 20:20.11 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: no blog post describing the process? :( |
| 20:20.16 | RaYmAn | it's rather easy |
| 20:21.04 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: can you get rid of the scary dev mode warning on boot that way? |
| 20:21.08 | RaYmAn | yep |
| 20:21.12 | mnemoc | neat |
| 20:21.14 | RaYmAn | http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices/samsung-arm-chromebook |
| 20:21.18 | RaYmAn | It's easier than it looks |
| 20:21.23 | RaYmAn | in fact, you don't need to take it apart at all |
| 20:21.29 | RaYmAn | you just need ot take out one screw |
| 20:21.31 | RaYmAn | didn't know that :/ |
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| 20:24.07 | Turl | embedded controller with source code :o |
| 20:24.16 | RaYmAn | oh yes |
| 20:24.17 | RaYmAn | :) |
| 20:24.20 | RaYmAn | It's rather cool |
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| 20:24.48 | specing | Turl: what? |
| 20:25.03 | libv | i'd guess that the coreboot guys at google lobbied hard for that one |
| 20:25.26 | RaYmAn | it doesn't use coreboot |
| 20:25.55 | Turl | specing: the EC on the chromebook has source code available |
| 20:26.04 | Turl | "Really. Opening the case will allow you to modify the read-only firmware that makes recovery possible. If someone from teh internets says "You need to reflash your BIOS", they're almost certainly wrong. " |
| 20:26.05 | Turl | heh |
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| 20:27.31 | libv | there is a difference between actually using coreboot or involving some coreboot guys |
| 20:27.53 | libv | david hendricks has quite a lot of commits in the ec.git, and he's definitely a corebooter |
| 20:28.37 | RaYmAn | of course |
| 20:28.54 | RaYmAn | it also uses DT properly <3 |
| 20:29.05 | RaYmAn | as opposed to nexus 10 (same soc, same kernel version) |
| 20:30.31 | mnemoc | this EC supports stm32 too.... maybe we could use it for eoma? (if such thing ever leaves the vapour state) |
| 20:31.28 | RaYmAn | it is STM32 |
| 20:31.34 | RaYmAn | on chromebook |
| 20:32.09 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: I'll probably do a quick writeup once I have a custom u-boot working |
| 20:32.24 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:32.35 | RaYmAn | the chromebook has one of these: http://www.st.com/internet/mcu/product/216844.jsp |
| 20:33.05 | specing | Turl: reflash your BIOS, now! |
| 20:33.27 | RaYmAn | you're kind of screwed if you break the SPI flash |
| 20:33.40 | RaYmAn | well, unless you fancy trying to reflash it by hijacking signals |
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| 20:34.01 | specing | RaYmAn: is it desolderable? |
| 20:34.15 | RaYmAn | specing: I have no idea :) I certainly wouldn't be able to, lol |
| 20:34.19 | specing | I have SPI-capable AVRs around :) |
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| 20:34.25 | RaYmAn | https://a77db9aa-a-7b23c8ea-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices/samsung-arm-chromebook/arm-chromebook-inside.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cqUu769vwJJxCHsKYUsqXlb0GUsK781GjpeZc1XJ00GHa7J6fT_uhQybhxEiALBFmlb33JGsvG8Ls7N6056B6cxZfNu-YwKO5PuM0cmI-RPD5mCfduODPROQziBXxyTSKZIyeTmQHlNBwMMLLcLalCaOqb4-ZiMkCx-nSgbV87WC_h5vYrEEDvsslmZrUDifv28SN_cOa54WG3UvKLgsWMUo2VP9vTOM8f6Mi64CqFZbBND7yftFeyKo-KQVzgXgJFz7eH0X ... |
| 20:34.31 | RaYmAn | ... IlmBuE5UcgmJ-TKR0EftPDaNuvuJ-aZhbXE7jGd-OlXWggg0Pk7QlsXNAa7H4C8&attredirects=0 |
| 20:34.33 | RaYmAn | ffs |
| 20:34.43 | RaYmAn | https://a77db9aa-a-7b23c8ea-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices/samsung-arm-chromebook/arm-chromebook-inside.jpg |
| 20:34.46 | RaYmAn | there |
| 20:35.09 | RaYmAn | it's probably easier to do with one of those 8-pin soic8 clips you can get |
| 20:35.49 | RaYmAn | as long as the first 2MB of the SPI is intact, you can recover |
| 20:36.12 | RaYmAn | so all I did was change some flags and replace the keys, then re-enable read-only for htat part |
| 20:36.32 | RaYmAn | but at least I can sign my own u-boot for the RW part and play with it safely |
| 20:37.38 | Turl | specing: I did actually, the other day |
| 20:44.08 | specing | well I think I'll pass this one |
| 20:44.36 | specing | no sata, no HDD, no 100M+ ethernet line |
| 20:45.45 | RaYmAn | yeah, it doesn't have sata brought out - eSata port would have been nice |
| 20:45.49 | RaYmAn | it does have an USB 3.0 port though |
| 20:46.14 | specing | also at $250 it is the same price as intel atoms |
| 20:46.35 | specing | which usually come with 250GB+ HDDs |
| 20:47.50 | RaYmAn | It's targetted at cloud stuf |
| 20:47.56 | specing | Also I dislike the bulky framing |
| 20:47.59 | RaYmAn | given you know, chromeos is a browser-based os :P |
| 20:48.01 | RaYmAn | bulky? |
| 20:48.03 | specing | around the screen |
| 20:48.15 | RaYmAn | lol, I suppose. It's thin and bulky at the same time ;) |
| 20:48.57 | specing | I mean there is literaly 2 cm of plastic at each side of the screen |
| 20:49.08 | specing | and 3 at the bottom |
| 20:49.32 | RaYmAn | shrugs |
| 20:49.34 | specing | even my 4 years old x86 laptop isn't as bulky, come on |
| 20:49.52 | RaYmAn | it probably weighs three times as much |
| 20:49.54 | RaYmAn | :) |
| 20:50.00 | specing | EVEN MY CHINESE A10 TABLET ISN'T THAT BULKY |
| 20:50.08 | specing | RaYmAn: agreed |
| 20:50.22 | RaYmAn | but I dunno |
| 20:50.26 | RaYmAn | I think it's rather nice |
| 20:50.31 | RaYmAn | it looks bulky, but it doesn't feel bulky |
| 20:50.45 | specing | RaYmAn: has a billion more peripherals, 32 CUDA cores and an actual HDD |
| 20:50.51 | mnemoc | doesn't understand why the crappy screen :< |
| 20:51.00 | specing | maybe if the chromebook were $150 I'd buy it |
| 20:51.08 | specing | but at $250 -- no way |
| 20:51.09 | RaYmAn | specing: but it weighs a lot more, makes a lot more noise, gets hotter |
| 20:51.25 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: how about the battery life? |
| 20:51.36 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: tbh, it's not *that* bad. It's certainly insanely better than adam ;) |
| 20:51.41 | specing | and makes me a thousand times more productive than on some cloudy stuff |
| 20:51.55 | RaYmAn | I don't really have any solid numbers tbh |
| 20:52.19 | RaYmAn | I'm kind of strugling to find ways to properly use-use it ;) |
| 20:52.34 | RaYmAn | I live too close to my workplace to really use it for travel stuff |
| 20:53.54 | RaYmAn | specing: It's a different market I guess |
| 20:54.09 | RaYmAn | It's not intended to compete with bit crap-laptops at 250$ |
| 20:54.25 | RaYmAn | it's at most intended to compete with netbooks, and it certainly rocks in that area - even with only 16gb storage. |
| 20:54.55 | Turl | aren't the craptops called netbooks these days? :) |
| 20:55.12 | RaYmAn | I dunno |
| 20:55.17 | RaYmAn | netbooks has to be small in my world |
| 20:55.18 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 20:55.19 | Turl | or is a craptop a big screened netbook? |
| 20:55.34 | RaYmAn | is there any real definition? lol |
| 20:55.42 | Turl | <12 is a netbook on my book |
| 20:55.55 | Turl | 13 is limbo |
| 20:56.02 | Turl | >13 is laptop |
| 20:56.57 | specing | Anyway, has anyone gone through the parts and checked how much of that $250 is real |
| 20:57.00 | specing | ? |
| 20:57.29 | specing | >15 is an UPS'd desktop |
| 20:58.00 | RaYmAn | as in how much it costs to manufacture? |
| 20:58.29 | RaYmAn | There isn't much info on the Exynos5/Cortex A15, so I dunno if you can really calculate it very well |
| 20:58.32 | mnemoc | <=10 netbook; <=14 laptop; else, UPS'd desktop |
| 20:58.41 | hno | specing, agreed. My 15.4 do not quite qualify as laptop. |
| 20:58.49 | specing | mnemoc: :) |
| 20:59.00 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: mm, I don't consider the chromebook a laptop at all at 11.6 |
| 20:59.04 | Turl | >=15 is a notebook :P |
| 20:59.13 | RaYmAn | it feels too small |
| 20:59.17 | specing | >=15 is a heavybook |
| 20:59.45 | mnemoc | my thinkpad is 11.6 |
| 21:01.36 | hno | laptops are not notebooks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notebook |
| 21:02.58 | Turl | "For notebook computers, see Laptop." |
| 21:04.34 | hno | a tablet or large size phone (both with stylus) might be able to realistically claim notebook title today, but not a laptop or netbook. |
| 21:05.17 | RaYmAn | hno: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=define:notebook&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 21:05.26 | RaYmAn | 2. A portable computer that is smaller than a laptop. |
| 21:05.55 | RaYmAn | I doubt you can really say with any particular confidence whether it is or isn't. Language evolves ;) |
| 21:08.51 | mnemoc | you can't call laptop a device that burns your lap, passes most of it's life plugged to the wall and needs a backpack to carry |
| 21:09.30 | mnemoc | carriable desktop with builtin display and battery |
| 21:09.36 | Turl | prefers a suitcase |
| 21:10.01 | RaYmAn | hugs his IBM PS/2 truly "luggable" "laptop" |
| 21:10.02 | RaYmAn | ;) |
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| 21:29.36 | techn | hno: I'm trying to find out what's the problem with my tablets |
| 21:30.27 | techn | and I found that a13 tablet has a bit higher stock axp voltages |
| 21:30.47 | techn | <6>[ 1.750000] print_constraints: axp20_ldo3: 700 <--> 3500 mV at 3300 mV |
| 21:30.48 | techn | <6>[ 1.760000] print_constraints: axp20_ldo4: 1250 <--> 3300 mV at 3300 mV |
| 21:31.37 | techn | those are set to 2800mV in u-boot |
| 21:34.16 | techn | plus <6>[ 1.780000] print_constraints: axp20_buck3: 700 <--> 3500 mV at 1200 mV |
| 21:34.38 | techn | that's set to 1250 in your u-boot |
| 21:39.49 | techn | huihai |
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| 22:17.40 | hno | techn, interesting. tried configuring them different in u-boot? |
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