| 00:00.48 | penguin42 | slapin: xkcd.org knows all |
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| 01:09.18 | slapin | facepalm |
| 01:10.00 | slapin | have an idea on how to make proper buffered reads of NAND on a1x in u-boot |
| 01:10.08 | slapin | hno: are you here? |
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| 01:16.16 | slapin | will forget everything as he wakes up |
| 01:16.24 | Marex | slapin: speak :p |
| 01:17.07 | slapin | Marex: we can use command-based approach, when buffer reads will remember which command was executed before |
| 01:18.20 | slapin | Marex: so real execution of large reads will be in buffer reads, not command execution, so the callback will only remember which command to execute but will not actually execute it |
| 01:18.43 | slapin | that's enough for me to remember tomorrow |
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| 06:59.17 | niftylettuce | should we _only_ buy mk802 ii that are labeled as "Rikomagic"? |
| 07:01.21 | hp__ | i want to buy the quad core arm from hiapad |
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| 07:01.23 | hp__ | :) |
| 07:01.28 | niftylettuce | hp__: ? |
| 07:02.53 | hp__ | niftylettuce: http://armdevices.net/2012/10/16/hi802-i-mx6-quad-hdmi-stick-89-incl-worldwide-shipping-on-armdevices-net-members-store/ |
| 07:05.08 | niftylettuce | hp__: fancy, but does it run ubuntu etc? has already been ported/supported? |
| 07:05.17 | rz2k | hp__: they didnt release it yet |
| 07:05.25 | orly_owl | but its not allwinner |
| 07:05.27 | rz2k | freescale lifted NDA this week |
| 07:05.42 | orly_owl | really? cool |
| 07:05.46 | rz2k | so expect 1month+ to manufacture enough units |
| 07:06.01 | orly_owl | all documentation is publicly available? |
| 07:06.02 | rz2k | orly_owl: yes, i.MX6 docs are available, check cnx-soft blog |
| 07:06.13 | orly_owl | yayyyy |
| 07:06.33 | orly_owl | maybe they saw how well allwinner is doing or something |
| 07:07.18 | orly_owl | http://www.cnx-software.com/ ? |
| 07:07.32 | niftylettuce | i wonder how much markup that is for 89$ |
| 07:07.48 | rz2k | niftylettuce: i.MX6 is supported by Linaro, but dont expect things to go well just from the begining, some tweaks will be needed |
| 07:08.08 | niftylettuce | rz2k: yea 6 mo. after release price will drop drastically |
| 07:08.37 | niftylettuce | man, for price of a nexus 7 tablet u could buy a mk802 with a 40"+ LED lol |
| 07:08.46 | rz2k | lol |
| 07:09.23 | orly_owl | but the tablet is easier to carry =p |
| 07:09.46 | niftylettuce | they dont listen to foreigner in that video much /cc hp__ |
| 07:09.50 | rz2k | anyway I want to get some i.MX6 devices to play with, they should perform very well if the god damn reference manual for i.mx6 is 5600 pages :p |
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| 07:10.07 | rz2k | orly_owl: yeah. that one, he posted it on 16 november or so |
| 07:10.08 | niftylettuce | rz2k: link to manual? |
| 07:10.15 | orly_owl | http://www.cnx-software.com/tag/freescale/ |
| 07:10.16 | rz2k | freescale.com |
| 07:10.19 | rz2k | :p |
| 07:10.26 | orly_owl | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/11/18/freescale-i-mx6-resources-development-boards-documentation-source-code-and-tools/ |
| 07:10.37 | niftylettuce | cnx site not working for me |
| 07:10.46 | niftylettuce | o wait nvm working now |
| 07:14.22 | niftylettuce | hmm, $20/yr membership? |
| 07:14.23 | niftylettuce | thats odd |
| 07:15.04 | niftylettuce | oh i see how this work :) |
| 07:15.12 | niftylettuce | clever clever |
| 07:15.33 | niftylettuce | rz2k: are you person interviewing? |
| 07:16.07 | niftylettuce | or is it Nicolas ? |
| 07:17.32 | rz2k | no, thats not me, armdevices is Charbax blog/shop, he often puts great videos on youtube and looks like he often gets to China. |
| 07:18.28 | rz2k | http://www.youtube.com/user/Charbax/videos?view=0 - his channel |
| 07:35.51 | hp__ | niftylettuce: but it looks like a fast puppy doesn't it.. |
| 07:37.53 | niftylettuce | hp__: yeah but is it true about him meeting Sergey? |
| 07:39.42 | hp__ | no idea :) |
| 07:39.57 | niftylettuce | hp__: clever marketing lol |
| 07:41.25 | hp__ | niftylettuce: on charbax webshot it says.. Delayed again.. darn |
| 07:41.45 | niftylettuce | hp__: ??? what you mean |
| 07:42.20 | hp__ | aren't we talking about i.MX6 Quad-core HDMI Stick? |
| 07:43.17 | niftylettuce | hp__: no i saw that about being delayed again, i see what you mean, yes i understand |
| 07:48.45 | niftylettuce | hp__: i watched second video here http://armdevices.net/membership-signup/ -- he mentioned he met Sergey Brin |
| 07:48.57 | hp__ | niftylettuce: but if it runs ubuntu yeah it would be very nice to try that one :) |
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| 08:16.43 | niftylettuce | hp__: any good retailer you recommend for mk 802 ii? eBay? |
| 08:21.36 | hp__ | hmm i bought a mk 802 from riko :) |
| 08:21.57 | hp__ | i gave it to my father in law as a pressent :) he is happy :) |
| 08:23.53 | niftylettuce | hp__: hmm not sure of rebrands and not labeled as Riko |
| 08:24.15 | hp__ | niftylettuce: i have no idea about that |
| 08:24.40 | niftylettuce | hp__: how much did u pay for urs for present to father in law? |
| 08:24.44 | niftylettuce | hp__: I found this http://www.amazon.com/Rikomagic-Generation-Android-Google-Player/dp/B0091UHMHO USA is $50 |
| 08:25.12 | hp__ | niftylettuce: prolly between $60-$80 i payed.. prolly back in march |
| 08:26.17 | hp__ | niftylettuce: they are even $38 - http://www.amazon.com/OEM-SYSTEMS-COMPANY-MK802-Android/dp/B008H3B736/ref=pd_sim_e_4 |
| 08:27.54 | niftylettuce | hp__: is that cheapest u find? |
| 08:28.10 | hp__ | niftylettuce: i didn't really look :) but amazon popped it up :) |
| 08:29.29 | hp__ | the http://www.amazon.com/SainSmart-PC-On-A-Stick-Computer-Processor-Internal/dp/B009A80ADA/ref=pd_cp_pc_2 looks nice dual-core |
| 08:29.36 | hp__ | but dunno if it runs ubuntu |
| 08:34.12 | niftylettuce | hp__: not as supported since SoC is rock based |
| 08:34.16 | niftylettuce | closed |
| 08:34.31 | hp__ | niftylettuce: are you sure? :) |
| 08:35.20 | hp__ | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/11/12/preliminary-version-of-ubuntu-running-on-ug802-mini-pc-rockchip-rk3066/ |
| 08:36.02 | niftylettuce | hp__: hard to confirm if this is mk 802 ii http://www.amazon.com/OEM-SYSTEMS-COMPANY-MK802-Android/dp/B008H3B736/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
| 08:37.08 | niftylettuce | hp__: those were leaked not released |
| 08:37.13 | niftylettuce | hp__: said some pieces of code "missing" |
| 08:38.46 | RITRedbeard | niftylettuce, are those clones or real? |
| 08:39.24 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: checking now |
| 08:40.51 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: mk802 ii has power protect circuit, esd, turn off/on |
| 08:41.03 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: those appear to be different versions than mk802ii |
| 08:41.33 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: those are most likely MK802+ |
| 08:41.47 | RITRedbeard | I see that. Cool. |
| 08:42.53 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: if you know of seller let me know |
| 08:43.12 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: several on aliexpress but havent yet used that site so not certain i want to |
| 08:43.27 | RITRedbeard | If I see or can confirm, I will. |
| 08:51.06 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: lots of bad reviews here for MK802 ii http://www.amazon.com/Rikomagic-Generation-Android-Google-Player/dp/B0091UHMHO/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
| 08:51.25 | RITRedbeard | Relevant or because they were mizled? |
| 08:51.43 | RITRedbeard | bad reviews? |
| 08:51.58 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: talks about pulling from TV and then having to reset device or something? |
| 08:52.04 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: not sure if those people are competent |
| 08:53.04 | RITRedbeard | well, there is no reset or on or off, you have to remove power, yeah. |
| 08:54.23 | RITRedbeard | You have to remember the cheaper a computing device is, the dumber the masses get (see Raspberry Pi). |
| 08:55.04 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: i think MK802iii has on/off |
| 08:56.29 | RITRedbeard | if the II is just the version with 1GB, I doubt it has a switch |
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| 09:04.58 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: reading of some users with MK802 iii that say that powering with USB instead of with USB to AC wall input will cause device to reboot and not charge it |
| 09:05.15 | RITRedbeard | You didn't link to the III |
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| 09:07.11 | rz2k | if USB port can supply 5v 0.5A (default usb2.0 rating) it will be fine |
| 09:07.17 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: http://www.amazon.com/review/RV416MG5PK2E5/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B009A6P2VC&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=172282&store=electronics |
| 09:07.28 | niftylettuce | rz2k: /cc ^ |
| 09:07.42 | niftylettuce | rz2k: guess you were correct :) |
| 09:07.51 | niftylettuce | back of receiver probably just an input, not meant to charge |
| 09:07.54 | rz2k | just keep in mind that like 90% of devices tend to forget about standards, one uf USB ports on my notebook cant power up external HDD |
| 09:08.00 | rz2k | of* |
| 09:08.17 | RITRedbeard | That's not A10 |
| 09:08.36 | niftylettuce | RITRedbeard: that is MK802 iii |
| 09:08.55 | niftylettuce | aka ug802 or whatever |
| 09:09.46 | niftylettuce | some users say MK802 go up in smoke /cc rz2k RITRedbeard |
| 09:09.54 | rz2k | lol |
| 09:10.36 | rz2k | first versions of mk802 had no vent. holes, A10 simply overheated at heavy tasks |
| 09:10.52 | RITRedbeard | It's not Allwinner based but it still uses Mali |
| 09:11.00 | RITRedbeard | interesting |
| 09:11.22 | rz2k | newer mk802ii and mk802 latest revisions have this fixed |
| 09:11.40 | niftylettuce | rz2k: should I look for particular mk802ii features or description? |
| 09:11.48 | niftylettuce | rz2k: i want to make sure i buy right, newer improved mk802 ii |
| 09:12.00 | rz2k | you are safe now, those are sold out anyways |
| 09:13.49 | niftylettuce | i have narrowed down to http://www.ebay.com/itm/MK802-II-Rikomagic-Android-4-0-Mini-PC-1080P-HD-TV-Box-Wifi-Player-Google-Dongle-/230845229135?pt=US_Cable_TV_Boxes&hash=item35bf72a84f and http://www.amazon.com/Rikomagic-Generation-Android-Google-Player/dp/B0091UHMHO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353834795&sr=1-1&keywords=mk802+ii since they seem reputable, any thoughts? /cc rz2k RITRedbear |
| 09:13.49 | niftylettuce | d |
| 09:14.06 | niftylettuce | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.24 | niftylettuce | id like to find for ~$40USD |
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| 09:16.23 | niftylettuce | also why does it have hole on top, that is microphone? what is purpose?... |
| 09:16.38 | niftylettuce | hidden onboard communicator to send packets of audio signal ;)? |
| 09:16.46 | niftylettuce | BIOS :D |
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| 09:44.24 | hno | slapin, exactly what I tried proposing before. See tegra driver. |
| 09:53.37 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 09:54.26 | slapin | do anybody remembers where debian stores their archives of older packages? |
| 09:54.54 | slapin | I need gmp3 for wheezy, which was removed |
| 09:55.58 | slapin | hno: not for all commands, only for buffered reads |
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| 10:00.09 | jelly-home | slapin: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 10:14.15 | slapin | jelly-home: thanks a lot! |
| 10:14.44 | slapin | hno: I haven't seen your proposal |
| 10:15.37 | slapin | hno: I want to do it for buffered read and write |
| 10:17.54 | slapin | hno: also, there is some way for us to properly configure NANC chip, there is different mode of NAND configuration: CONFIG_SYS_NAND_SELF_INIT (see doc/README.nand) |
| 10:18.25 | slapin | hno: I mean properly configure NAND controller for that particular chip |
| 10:26.58 | slapin | hno: for stuff to look clear we can redeclare ecc functions, since we will do it anyway for ecc. |
| 10:31.49 | slapin | hno: when we can have a bit of chat regarding our controller, I want to update my in-head and written documentation, I mean more or less low-latency chat, but quick (like, 10-15 minutes)? |
| 10:33.47 | slapin | rz2k: first mk802's had no PMU and no heatsinks, vent holes are here in place, but useless anyway. |
| 10:34.27 | niftylettuce | slapin: so no mk802 ii nor iii, what do u recommend? |
| 10:34.32 | niftylettuce | rz2k: ^ /cc same ? to you |
| 10:35.10 | niftylettuce | slapin: are heatsinks in newer versions? like this? http://www.amazon.com/Rikomagic-Generation-Android-Google-Player/dp/B0091UHMHO/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353838518&sr=1-7&keywords=ug007 |
| 10:35.37 | slapin | niftylettuce: disclaimer: my taste is quite perverted, and I'm not end user. I recommend mk802ii (A10-based). |
| 10:36.00 | niftylettuce | slapin: for what reasons? |
| 10:36.41 | niftylettuce | i cant find photo of inside of mk802ii anywhere |
| 10:36.45 | niftylettuce | only mk802iii |
| 10:36.56 | slapin | niftylettuce: all my mk802 clones do have heatsinks (alluminium plate glued to the components with some white glue) |
| 10:37.28 | niftylettuce | slapin: where did u purchase clones from? |
| 10:37.40 | niftylettuce | slapin: do you know if this has heatsink? http://www.amazon.com/Rikomagic-Generation-Android-Google-Player/dp/B0091UHMHO/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353838518&sr=1-7&keywords=ug007 |
| 10:38.11 | niftylettuce | slapin: what do u think of ug007 or mx1? |
| 10:38.20 | niftylettuce | i heard ug802 or w/e is bad |
| 10:38.37 | niftylettuce | and ug802 === mk802 |
| 10:39.17 | niftylettuce | found this http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=688#p3925 but it doesnt detail mk802ii specs |
| 10:39.34 | slapin | niftylettuce: http://ossfans.org/mk802_1G/ - a crappy clone, but dissected |
| 10:39.50 | slapin | niftylettuce: antennas are the same crap |
| 10:40.27 | slapin | niftylettuce: if replaced by decent chip antenna, or soldered external antenna, will be good |
| 10:40.36 | niftylettuce | slapin: how can i figure out which "generation" it is? |
| 10:40.58 | slapin | niftylettuce: dunno, all look the same to me |
| 10:41.23 | niftylettuce | slapin: why is that antenna so damn big? lol |
| 10:41.33 | slapin | niftylettuce: different PCB design, all newer have axp209 and 1GB of memory |
| 10:41.55 | slapin | niftylettuce: it is damn cheap, the size is not an issue here |
| 10:42.17 | slapin | niftylettuce: compare to your router antenna |
| 10:44.05 | slapin | niftylettuce: replace by good chip antenna, you will have nice and small one (but still on wires due to board design) |
| 10:45.47 | niftylettuce | slapin: found this http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i2/134922319/T2JAKvXi0bXXXXXXXX_!!134922319.jpg |
| 10:45.56 | niftylettuce | slapin: that is mk802 ii "3rd generation" |
| 10:46.04 | niftylettuce | is "3rd generation" the best generation or latest? |
| 10:46.27 | niftylettuce | or would it refer to mk802 ii "3rd generation" since it goes mk802, mk802+, and then mk802ii lol |
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| 11:04.24 | slapin | niftylettuce: dunno |
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| 11:48.58 | hno | slapin, I am available if you are around. |
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| 12:08.39 | hno | u-boot changes submitted for mainline review. |
| 12:09.34 | RaYmAn | awesome :) |
| 12:12.21 | hno | Some 25 patches in total in current split. |
| 12:16.50 | hno | And ofcourse the main patch got goofed up in juggling between trees. |
| 12:19.00 | RaYmAn | got a link to the ml post handy? :) (if not, I'll go hunting ;)) |
| 12:20.01 | RaYmAn | nevermind, got it :) |
| 12:20.25 | hno | It's on the u.boot ml somewhere. Should be the last thread. |
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| 13:00.46 | hg_5 | hello |
| 13:38.56 | hno | hi hg_5 |
| 13:41.42 | hg_5 | hi hno |
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| 14:25.20 | oliv3r | libv: around by any chance? |
| 14:26.56 | oliv3r | libv: I just soldered together a transistor and some resistors to combine hsync and vsync to connect my vga connector to my RGB capable sony tv. I've setup a 768x576 interlaced PAL modeline (interlace -hsync -vsync (15.6 kHz), it all looks good, but I read 'back in the day' you needed some patches for certain drivers. How do I know if it picked up what I expect it to do? (before I turn on my tv and see it blow up) |
| 14:34.00 | libv | oliv3r: "some patches" would've not needed any extra electronics |
| 14:34.47 | oliv3r | i'm trying to find where I read it. I know that ati can do composite sync optionally |
| 14:36.51 | oliv3r | http://frc.easy-vdr.de |
| 14:37.06 | oliv3r | that's where i saw it, something called 'frame rate control' |
| 14:37.27 | oliv3r | or maybe that was not it |
| 14:37.35 | oliv3r | so I can turn my tv on now and see if it actually worked ;) |
| 14:38.39 | oliv3r | oh ait, no on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/RGB_Scart it says 'requires intel xserver patch in order to enable interlacing and low dot clock support.' |
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| 14:41.27 | libv | oliv3r: what exact tv make and model is this? |
| 14:42.40 | oliv3r | Exact? SOny ... gimme a sec :p |
| 14:44.21 | oliv3r | Sony Trinitron is all it says, I know it has 2 scart connectors and i can use the input key to switch between various modes, composite and rgb in |
| 14:44.34 | oliv3r | i doubt the exact model is written on the back |
| 14:44.36 | libv | so it is an actual CRT? |
| 14:44.40 | oliv3r | oh yeah |
| 14:44.54 | oliv3r | it's probably around 10-15 years old I guess |
| 14:45.01 | oliv3r | could be a little less, but not much |
| 14:46.26 | libv | oliv3r: what board is this? |
| 14:47.07 | oliv3r | onboard intel 82945G/GZ (rev 02) |
| 14:47.11 | libv | because i'd rather doubt that this will just work with our current pile of crap |
| 14:47.17 | libv | oh |
| 14:47.23 | oliv3r | it's old (tm) |
| 14:47.36 | libv | i thought you were talking about our disp driver |
| 14:48.01 | oliv3r | nah, sorry, was digging into your prior CRT knowledge :) |
| 14:48.47 | libv | hook, it up, xrandr your way into interlaced and a pal mode |
| 14:49.13 | oliv3r | its hooked with the above modline entered into xorg, based from the logs, it looks fine |
| 14:49.18 | oliv3r | so gonna turn it on now |
| 14:49.42 | libv | if it fails, talk to the intel guys :) |
| 14:49.45 | oliv3r | lol |
| 14:50.37 | libv | it's their driver, what did you expect me to say? |
| 14:52.16 | oliv3r | you have more experience then me, so anything goes really :) |
| 14:52.21 | oliv3r | but it doesn't work :( |
| 14:52.29 | oliv3r | just as expected really |
| 14:52.38 | oliv3r | i really should get a new tv for the bedroom :S |
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| 14:53.58 | oliv3r | i think i'd require the intel xserver patch they mention. I hoped that was integrated or worked in :S |
| 14:54.44 | oliv3r | i went with the VGA -> scart route, because the ati videocard i initially had in, put out some garbage on its tv-out mode |
| 14:54.55 | oliv3r | image was recognizable, but green |
| 14:55.40 | oliv3r | but it doesn't majorly matter, I did order a melee a1000g to be used on the upstairs tv :) |
| 14:55.47 | oliv3r | and the a1000g does have proper composite out |
| 14:55.56 | oliv3r | don't think it does svideo out though :S |
| 14:56.26 | mnemoc | hdmi, rca and vga |
| 14:56.44 | rm | aren't there passive converters from RCA to S-Video |
| 14:56.48 | oliv3r | yeah, i think the chip does do svideo though |
| 14:56.55 | oliv3r | RCA is a connector type |
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| 14:57.14 | oliv3r | i'm sure you ment composite-video or Component :p |
| 14:57.15 | rm | yeah I mean composite to s-video |
| 14:57.30 | oliv3r | nah, s-video is composite +luminance basically |
| 14:57.43 | oliv3r | or rather, chroma and luma seperated |
| 14:57.48 | oliv3r | composite combines those |
| 14:58.55 | libv | oliv3r: join the #intel-gfx or somesuch channel and ask there |
| 15:01.57 | slapin | hno: hrer? |
| 15:02.02 | slapin | *here |
| 15:02.17 | slapin | hno: here? |
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| 15:26.49 | slapin | hno: I will be back here at 22:22 (MSK time, 19:22 UTC), that is in 3 hours, since I was sent to get some shopping done... |
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| 16:05.15 | hno | slapin, I am here mostly, but have my head buried in u-boot patch cleanup and taking care of a kid. Yell when you are around and hopefully I'll notice. |
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| 18:00.57 | vinifm_ | 8250-sunxi.c not have uart_ops, this case is not supported read() and write()? |
| 18:26.34 | slapin | hno: ping |
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| 19:11.58 | slapin | hno: ping |
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| 20:21.45 | slapin | hno: please check mail |
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| 21:11.17 | hno | slapin, sorry, fell asleep. |
| 21:38.17 | hno | slapin, don't seem to find any new email from you. |
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