| 00:00.35 | Curtman | I've restarted a few times.. It seems good. As soon as the serial driver inits, console output stops, but login appears a few seconds later. |
| 00:01.54 | libv | ok :) |
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| 00:17.25 | rz2k | looks like those hiapad guys taking it seriously |
| 00:17.25 | rz2k | http://www.hiapad.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hi802-3.jpg |
| 00:17.43 | libv | hiapad? |
| 00:17.51 | libv | i did most of my mali work on a haipad :p |
| 00:18.26 | rz2k | they've told me that when product will come out they ship it with andoird, linaro and chromeos images, looks like they didnt lie :p |
| 00:18.34 | libv | ah, a TV "dangle" |
| 00:19.02 | rz2k | or they try to mock people again, but anyway, seems like cheap freescale imx6q board is on its way |
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| 00:47.46 | hno | stefanro, yes the magic constant is to enable forced reload in bit 0. |
| 01:11.29 | Turl | hno: can you boot arbitrary binaries from a PC host on uboot via serial? |
| 01:11.49 | Turl | something like a way to transfer a binary via serial to ram and jump to it |
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| 01:16.04 | Marex | Turl: yea ... XYZmodem ... we support all of them |
| 01:16.10 | Marex | and also kermit |
| 01:16.36 | Marex | just saw "sparse" analysis of u-boot source and laid massive turd |
| 01:25.23 | Turl | Marex: is there support for any of them on screen? |
| 01:40.48 | Marex | I think so |
| 01:40.50 | Marex | I use minicom |
| 01:41.00 | Turl | nevermind, I set minicom up already :) |
| 01:41.08 | Marex | I think you can use lsrzs (whatever is that name) |
| 01:41.13 | Turl | got my bashrc transfered :P |
| 01:41.23 | Marex | lrzsz |
| 01:41.34 | Turl | now I need to learn how to jump to it on uboot |
| 01:41.41 | Marex | 'loady' command |
| 01:42.06 | Marex | then [Ctrl-A] [S] ... select file, hit enter |
| 01:42.08 | Marex | wait |
| 01:43.10 | Turl | yeah I got that running |
| 01:43.27 | Turl | I'm just missing the "jump" part |
| 01:43.42 | Marex | either "bootm" or "go" |
| 01:44.06 | Marex | depends on whether you want to boot uImage or start executing directly from some address |
| 01:45.04 | Turl | go it is :) thanks Marex |
| 02:11.57 | libv | wiki it! |
| 02:13.38 | Turl | will do when I get some code to run :) |
| 02:13.50 | Turl | hno: was that || 1 on purpose? :) https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/commit/356ecc2067e80a06ed091ba08c82ef9c110a660a |
| 02:22.17 | Marex | libv: read the denx wiki, it's all there |
| 02:23.04 | Marex | libv: http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/UBootCmdGroupExec#Section_5.9.4.3. |
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| 02:39.05 | Hornet | not sure if I'm in the right channel ... but what's the best option at the moment for android micro PCs for use as XBMC devices? |
| 03:17.51 | Turl | hno: I found this website (in french) about sunxi, might contain interesting info http://www.sysfwlab.com/ |
| 03:22.35 | Sv | how can i make a hackberry use the third partition (aka mmcblk0p3) as rootfs instead of blk0p2? i tried editing boot.src in the boot partition to the third partition but it still booted to the main one |
| 03:28.30 | Sv | oh i found it http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps#Building_script.bin |
| 03:34.46 | Turl | Marex: hm, I cannot seem to be able to run the hello world standalone example |
| 03:49.01 | Turl | nevermind, fixed it :) |
| 04:01.31 | Turl | hno: please add to your tree http://sprunge.us/GNWF |
| 04:02.36 | Turl | I'd send it to the ML but I haven't set up all the git emailing stuff on this computer yet |
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| 04:47.17 | billytwowilly | so the rhombus tech website doesn't appear to be working... |
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| 05:03.56 | hno | Turl, that "|| 1" is intentional, but should be part of another change obviously. |
| 05:04.04 | hno | which tree is this? |
| 05:30.07 | Mehhh | Is there a debian single image download? |
| 05:30.12 | Mehhh | for the mk802 |
| 05:39.35 | orly_owl | hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:40.11 | orly_owl | Mehhh: yes |
| 05:40.27 | Mehhh | Is it in a torrent or a dl? |
| 05:40.29 | orly_owl | https://romanrm.ru/en/a10/mk802-server#how-do-i-begin |
| 05:41.04 | orly_owl | dl it a dl |
| 05:41.07 | orly_owl | *its a dl |
| 05:41.11 | orly_owl | http://romanrm.ru/dl/a10/debian/ |
| 05:47.11 | Mehhh | niceeeee oh man thank you |
| 05:47.28 | Mehhh | Do you know by chance if this image has otg enabled? |
| 05:47.31 | orly_owl | thank rm |
| 05:47.34 | orly_owl | it's his site |
| 05:47.40 | orly_owl | i suspect it does |
| 05:47.52 | orly_owl | rm: does your mk802 image have otg enabled |
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| 07:00.08 | hno | Turl, the guy working on some kind of small bare bone OS for F20 was seen here before. |
| 07:01.24 | hno | billytwowilly, yes, it's DNS is temporarily unavailable. The content is meanwhile available on rhombus.hands.com |
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| 08:57.09 | mnemoc | Turl: can you try to get him in? I don't know anyone else with a sun3i with uart |
| 08:58.40 | libv | mnemoc: chances are that we will have to let the sun3i codebase go |
| 08:59.16 | mnemoc | :( |
| 09:00.59 | slapin | hno: hi! |
| 09:01.31 | Mehhh_ | Does anyone know how to access this without usb over ethernet converters? |
| 09:01.33 | Mehhh_ | http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/debian |
| 09:01.46 | hno | slapin, hi hi! |
| 09:01.56 | Mehhh_ | or if there is an image with dhcp / X |
| 09:02.23 | slapin | hno: any news? :) |
| 09:02.51 | hno | slapin, not really. Any expected? |
| 09:03.49 | slapin | hno: yeah |
| 09:04.58 | slapin | hno: running RNDOUT leads to data abort, and READ0 works on bus, but reads zeroes from SRAM. |
| 09:05.32 | Marex | nice |
| 09:05.37 | slapin | hno: disabling RNDOUT seems help with D/A, but READ0 still reads zeroes. |
| 09:05.51 | Marex | what's RNDOUT ? |
| 09:05.58 | hno | slapin, at least I am no longer down with fewer. Will look into RNDOUT in the afternoon. |
| 09:06.09 | slapin | Marex: 0x05 IIRC |
| 09:06.25 | Marex | slapin: eh ? |
| 09:06.32 | hno | sets current read column. |
| 09:06.39 | Marex | oh |
| 09:06.42 | hno | a flash operation. |
| 09:06.51 | Marex | don't you pump that in single READ command ? |
| 09:06.57 | slapin | hno: please look at both (why working READ0 produces zeroes in buffers) |
| 09:07.07 | Marex | or is that some speciality of your particular nand controller? |
| 09:07.18 | hno | Marex, is's a NAND command. |
| 09:07.50 | slapin | Marex: it is important for reading e.g spare area |
| 09:07.58 | libv | hno: stop talking bad about mali :p |
| 09:08.06 | slapin | Marex: it is needed for everything if you read not from start of page |
| 09:08.10 | hno | actually any time you want to read a page in random order. |
| 09:08.23 | hno | not full sequential read |
| 09:08.38 | Marex | ah ok |
| 09:08.40 | Marex | random read |
| 09:08.41 | Marex | I see |
| 09:09.02 | Marex | how can you get DABT with READ0 though ? |
| 09:09.13 | Marex | don't you supply some unaligned data or something ? |
| 09:09.32 | slapin | Marex: we don't supply anything |
| 09:09.53 | Marex | you program that into the registers and the data magically appear in some SRAM ? |
| 09:09.57 | hno | Sorry guys, can't really chat now. Busy at paid work today. |
| 09:10.13 | slapin | Marex: might be either some pointer issues when reading or controller does something weird with data... |
| 09:10.15 | Marex | hno: some here ... just doing some paid stuff ;-) |
| 09:10.26 | slapin | too |
| 09:10.35 | Marex | slapin: check R14, that's the pointer to the DABT location |
| 09:10.52 | Marex | (abort R14, not svc32 R14) |
| 09:11.21 | slapin | Marex: I know, I don't have jtag connected :) |
| 09:11.36 | hno | the address was printed in the report you gave earlier. |
| 09:11.37 | slapin | u-boot writes them out thankfully |
| 09:11.58 | Marex | slapin: yes, u-boot is really a masterpiece of software engineering |
| 09:12.02 | Marex | %^) |
| 09:12.03 | slapin | aha... |
| 09:12.17 | Marex | slapin: so .. fix it and send patch (tm) |
| 09:12.33 | Marex | slapin: damn lazy bastard (tm) :) |
| 09:12.34 | slapin | Marex: that's because these people enabled MMU on arm, which still amuses me |
| 09:12.50 | Marex | slapin: urgh :-/ |
| 09:12.50 | slapin | Marex: stfu :) |
| 09:13.01 | Marex | slapin: good old l4p days ... :'-) |
| 09:13.32 | slapin | Marex: yeah |
| 09:14.05 | Marex | slapin: can you not disable the MMU ? |
| 09:14.08 | Marex | you need to do it before booting linux anyway |
| 09:14.41 | hno | Why do the MMU cause problems here? |
| 09:14.47 | slapin | Marex: it does, everything is ok |
| 09:14.53 | slapin | hno: no problems here |
| 09:14.58 | Marex | slapin: you see the DABT |
| 09:15.04 | slapin | I explained why DA handler worked |
| 09:15.12 | Marex | but I suspect it's some unaligned access ... |
| 09:15.18 | slapin | DA itself is some problem with our code |
| 09:15.18 | Marex | ok |
| 09:15.37 | Marex | you cdont need jtag to figure out where it's broken |
| 09:15.58 | hno | So a big IRC storm here about something working and providing useful debug output? :P |
| 09:16.07 | Marex | just load u-boot (the elf binary) into gdb, run "bdinfo" on the board (or print the relocation offset in arch/arm/lib/board.c) |
| 09:16.17 | slapin | picked up bsb cards and is going to meeting |
| 09:16.28 | Marex | oh ... good luck with BSB |
| 09:16.38 | Marex | slapin: share them sometimes please |
| 09:20.33 | Mehhh_ | are there any wheezy images that have CLI video out |
| 09:20.49 | Mehhh_ | so that one doesn't have to usb<->ethernet |
| 09:22.07 | Mehhh_ | or is there a virtual machine so i can make my own image ahead of time? |
| 09:23.13 | hno | Mehhh_, you really should try to get a serial console running. |
| 09:25.08 | Mehhh_ | i don't have a usb serial adapter |
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| 11:39.32 | mnemoc | stefanro1: should I delete the wip/sunxi-next branch? |
| 11:40.23 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: thats perhaps better - otherwise it might confuse some users/developers not aware of the upstream version |
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| 11:49.08 | libv | Mehhh_: if you follow firststeps, _and_ build the kernel with this info in mind: http://linux-sunxi.org/Framebuffer |
| 11:49.13 | libv | you should get a console on hdmi |
| 11:50.47 | libv | Mehhh_: with a usb keyboard, you should then be able to do the rest |
| 11:52.17 | Mehhh_ | :) |
| 11:52.30 | Mehhh_ | So framebuffer will output on hdmi to cli |
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| 11:56.58 | slapin | damn meetings :( |
| 11:57.35 | slapin | hno: how it is going? |
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| 12:06.36 | mnemoc | stefanro1: done |
| 12:20.26 | slapin | russian post is universal - looks the same in most sleepy willage and in most busy city |
| 12:21.07 | orly_owl | is the bribe the same too? |
| 12:22.04 | slapin | bad slow and stupid service, arrogant workers, good way to put your mood below zero |
| 12:22.26 | slapin | orly_owl: donno, I never had any wish to pay them anything |
| 12:23.02 | ssvb | Turl: compiled DirectFB and tried df_dok benchmark - https://gist.github.com/4117583 |
| 12:23.19 | orly_owl | k |
| 12:23.42 | slapin | also, it is necessary to say, that these workers get lower salary than janitors, so I don't really blame them, but that doesn't make russian post any better |
| 12:23.59 | orly_owl | ah, that sucks |
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| 12:42.11 | libv | has anyone attached serial to the uhost already? |
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| 12:45.20 | mnemoc | libv: the berryboot guy had the brilliant idea (no it seems to obvius :| ) of using android's /dev/mem to get the dramc parameters (and made a toy for that) |
| 12:45.31 | mnemoc | s/no /now / |
| 12:46.24 | libv | mnemoc: i asked hno about the same thing just the day before this code was posted :p |
| 12:46.25 | mnemoc | so it's simpler to add u-boot support now |
| 12:46.33 | mnemoc | *g* |
| 12:47.10 | libv | the xserver pokes registers over /dev/mem |
| 12:47.23 | libv | and so do all my little bits and bobs for register access |
| 12:48.26 | ssvb | mnemoc: well, it's kinda obvious, I wonder why nobody used that before |
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| 12:49.42 | libv | it will require root access though |
| 12:49.59 | mnemoc | android-sunxi comes with `su` by default |
| 12:51.05 | mnemoc | lichee2 and lichee3... always, no known exception. `su` and so /dev/mem has always been available |
| 12:52.25 | mnemoc | somehow we were mentally blocked to see boot1 as the only alternative |
| 12:52.47 | mnemoc | sh*t happens |
| 12:52.56 | hno | no, but I wrongly assumed /dev/mem was broken when you could not read/write from it like you can on x86. |
| 12:53.46 | ssvb | Turl: btw, do you happen to know if G2D is overclockable? Because it does not seem to be a clear performance win in all cases right now |
| 12:53.53 | libv | right at the top, http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook/20121118.html.gz |
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| 12:54.01 | libv | 22h later, code :) |
| 12:54.19 | libv | wish it always worked that way :ppp |
| 12:54.35 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:56.26 | ssvb | libv: or maybe he noticed that my comment that devmem2 tool actually works ;) |
| 12:57.00 | hno | libv, I see that I lost your thread in the discussion there. sorry about that. |
| 12:57.39 | hno | brain haven't been multi-threading capable the last days. |
| 12:57.49 | libv | ssvb: _i_ was first!!! |
| 12:58.42 | libv | i still think serial should be documented where possible |
| 12:58.50 | ssvb | libv: maybe, but I have been using this trick for ages, and I guess a lot of people too |
| 12:58.51 | libv | for any kernel development, serial seems quite important |
| 12:59.12 | mnemoc | absolutely |
| 12:59.41 | hno | yes, or OS configuration. |
| 13:00.50 | ssvb | hno: maybe you know what is the G2D clock speed and whether it is overclockable? |
| 13:01.54 | RaYmAn | have you actually tried using the G2D? I'm mostly thinking of, do you actually know it needs to be overclocked to do what you want? :P |
| 13:02.46 | ssvb | RaYmAn: Turl explained how to use it with DirectFB the other day, and I have tried to benchmark it right now - https://gist.github.com/4117583 |
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| 13:03.18 | ssvb | it seems to have some kind of 200MPixel/sec limitation |
| 13:04.44 | ssvb | which is not very nice, because the CPU for example can do memset at ~1400 MB/s, which translates to ~350 MPixels/sec for 32bit pixels |
| 13:05.46 | libv | cpu usage at 0.6-5% is a definite win though |
| 13:06.12 | rm | which CPUJ |
| 13:06.13 | rm | CPU* |
| 13:06.15 | slapin | hno: please reply, or I'll die on this loooooong meeting |
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| 13:08.35 | hno | slapin, at work. Not touching sunxi stuff at the moment. |
| 13:08.40 | slapin | do you people know if skbs are patented or not? |
| 13:09.06 | slapin | if I can use them in my own software which is not Linux kernel? |
| 13:09.55 | ssvb | libv: sure, and actually hardware accelerated scaling is the most interesting |
| 13:10.14 | hno | ssvb, no idea. |
| 13:16.24 | ssvb | and 16-bpp support is apparently buggy in directfb/g2d, it just spits out [vmware][527][vmware_2d.c][vmwareBlit]G2D_CMD_BITBLT failure! |
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| 14:39.52 | ssvb | looks like g2d uses non-premultiplied alpha :-/ |
| 14:40.28 | ssvb | but there is still some hope |
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| 14:45.12 | mnemoc | ssvb: did you see the MP documentation in the leaked "user manual"? |
| 14:45.59 | mnemoc | ssvb: haven't looked at it in detail, but seemed pretty complete |
| 14:46.18 | mnemoc | too complete for been allwinner's IP |
| 14:48.29 | ssvb | mnemoc: do you mean A10 Datasheet from http://linux-sunxi.org/A10 ? |
| 14:48.49 | mnemoc | ssvb: http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A10/A10%20User%20Manual%20-%20v1.20%20%282012-04-09%2c%20DECRYPTED%29.pdf |
| 14:50.14 | mnemoc | search for mixer processor |
| 14:51.18 | ssvb | mnemoc: thanks a lot, this indeed looks rather detailed |
| 14:51.47 | mnemoc | i hope it helps |
| 14:52.27 | ssvb | yeah, saves a lot of guesswork |
| 14:55.24 | mnemoc | ssvb: please don't forget to document what you learn about A10/MP in the wiki :) |
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| 15:31.16 | oliv3r | i guess i'll do some MP registers soon then :) |
| 15:32.23 | mnemoc | oliv3r: can do we register tables in svg? |
| 15:33.27 | mnemoc | a 32bit word horizontaly, separated by bits, with number and name |
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| 16:09.14 | Turl | hno: your tree |
| 16:13.25 | jeremb | slapin: I am maybe late on this but did you get your hdmi/vga cable? is it working? |
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| 16:59.15 | hno | Turl, I have many branches. |
| 17:00.20 | Turl | hno: sunxi-current |
| 17:00.30 | Turl | hno: https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/tree/sunxi-current/drivers/serial |
| 17:02.07 | hno | Ok. Anyway, it does no harm being squashed into the "wrong" commit. |
| 17:02.22 | Turl | hno: did you see my small patch I linked on here? |
| 17:03.54 | hno | yes. |
| 17:03.59 | hno | not forgotten. |
| 17:10.28 | vinifm | hno: do you know the correct parameters for gpio_set_value()? |
| 17:16.14 | hno | vinifm, yes, see cmd_gpio |
| 17:16.19 | hno | .c |
| 17:16.37 | hno | it's pin and value |
| 17:17.30 | hno | vinifm, what are you doing? |
| 17:18.37 | vinifm | i tried this: gpio_set_value(SUNXI_GPG(9), 1); // set pg9 |
| 17:19.19 | vinifm | i got: segment fault |
| 17:31.52 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: did you get your Stellaris shipped yet? |
| 17:32.02 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: yeah, a month ago :P |
| 17:32.16 | mnemoc | mine is still processing :< |
| 17:32.37 | RaYmAn | my second order is in that state too |
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| 17:33.24 | mnemoc | since sept 9th :| |
| 17:33.39 | RaYmAn | when is your estimated shipping? |
| 17:34.07 | mnemoc | not shown anywhere |
| 17:35.18 | RaYmAn | aww :( |
| 17:35.41 | mnemoc | and missed my chance of opening a dispute against TI |
| 17:35.59 | RaYmAn | they haven't charged any money yet, have they? |
| 17:36.11 | mnemoc | paypal |
| 17:36.15 | RaYmAn | ah |
| 17:36.25 | RaYmAn | well, they got a ton of orders |
| 17:36.45 | Hornet | still waiting for an answer to yesterday's question |
| 17:37.12 | Hornet | namely, which is the most suitable android micro PC for media center use at the moment, if any? |
| 17:37.42 | mnemoc | mele a2000g |
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| 17:42.54 | hno | vinifm, looks fine to me. Where are you doing this? |
| 17:44.41 | specing | mnemoc: hehe, mine will ship in 15 days :D |
| 17:44.57 | mnemoc | feels envy |
| 17:45.02 | specing | :) |
| 17:45.08 | mnemoc | mine doesn't even say when it will ship |
| 17:45.26 | RaYmAn | my second batch is supposed to ship in 10 days |
| 17:45.27 | RaYmAn | :/ |
| 17:45.28 | specing | Still feels like Im the last one to get them |
| 17:46.05 | mnemoc | Hornet: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Mele-A1000-TV-box-debug-board-pack/511685_566678042.html |
| 17:46.42 | mnemoc | .oO(why the *censored* does he recycle product pages without changing the title?!)o |
| 17:47.11 | vinifm | hno: first i load sun4i-gpio... |
| 17:47.32 | vinifm | complete code: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22273442/gpio.tar.gz |
| 17:48.32 | hno | That code is for running bare-bone within u-boot. You need some small changes to use it in linux. |
| 17:49.18 | hno | gpio driver is not needed. But you need to mmap the PIO registers and bang on them.. |
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| 17:50.38 | libv | does olimex keep one informed on when hw ships out? |
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| 17:56.37 | hno | I would think so. Newer ordered. |
| 17:58.53 | mripard | libv: they do |
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| 17:59.09 | slapin | jeremb: still no HDMI as no converters... |
| 17:59.25 | slapin | hno: ... ? |
| 18:01.31 | libv | mripard: in your case, how long did it take between ordering and shipping hw? |
| 18:01.51 | libv | is probably too spoiled by amazon |
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| 18:45.28 | hno | slapin, putting kids to bed. Then back to $ work. |
| 18:46.08 | Marex | libv: and olimex is quite a good pick |
| 18:46.23 | hno | libv, may be a couple of days between order and shipping from olimex. It's a small company. |
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| 20:08.56 | rm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_chrome_a15 |
| 20:09.03 | rm | ok where do I buy this for $250 |
| 20:09.19 | mnemoc | amazon |
| 20:09.23 | mnemoc | .com or .co.uk |
| 20:09.34 | mnemoc | for $250, .com |
| 20:11.08 | RaYmAn | or .de probably |
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| 20:12.40 | mnemoc | amazon.de only has atoms |
| 20:13.39 | RaYmAn | oh |
| 20:15.57 | rm | amazon does not like russia |
| 20:16.07 | rm | from what I could tell they only ship like books and dvds here |
| 20:16.19 | rm | and even that only with Priority shipping (i.e. zomg-expensive) |
| 20:17.06 | mnemoc | maybe you can find someone in USA to receive it and forward it to you |
| 20:17.39 | mnemoc | the ML has a bunch of junkies |
| 20:17.41 | mnemoc | yankees |
| 20:18.17 | mnemoc | buying from .co.uk you'll have to pay the VAT, that mostly doesn't exist when buying in usa |
| 20:18.46 | rm | there's a number or mail forward services |
| 20:18.51 | rm | specifically for US-only shippers |
| 20:19.09 | rm | but they are certainly far from free and I don't really trust them |
| 20:20.17 | mnemoc | that's why I suggested a fellow arm-netbook@-er |
| 20:21.42 | specing | lol @ "junkies" |
| 20:22.44 | rm | nah I don't need it that much to even hassle myself, let alone to hassle other people ^^ |
| 20:22.55 | mnemoc | specing: :) |
| 20:23.39 | Turl | specing++ |
| 20:23.41 | mnemoc | rm: I (ab)used a tele-coworker.... |
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| 20:24.17 | mnemoc | but the damn chromebook was 2 weeks waiting in his house and now it has been another stuck in memphis |
| 20:24.42 | mnemoc | but if it saves me 70E I'm happy |
| 20:25.17 | mnemoc | rm: specing offers himself to forward one for you |
| 20:25.34 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 20:48.40 | libv | mnemoc: when buying from the .us you get to pay import tax/customs |
| 20:49.11 | libv | i once bought 6 morex mini-itx cases for my via unichrome hw, secondhand, from the .us for 25usd a pop |
| 20:49.26 | libv | postage was a whopping amount, but still doable... |
| 20:49.58 | libv | then i got to collect those at the nuremberg customs office which is 12kms away, and i got to pay 19% on cases _and_ postage |
| 20:50.23 | libv | end tally was like 55EUR a case |
| 20:50.35 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 20:51.21 | mnemoc | fortunatelly .es is very generous regarding not-express packages under 2kg |
| 20:54.06 | mnemoc | I'll see soon.... if it ever leaves memphis' post office :< |
| 20:54.08 | libv | 40EUR dvi expansion module for some unichrome mini-itx board: another trek to the south for me |
| 20:54.12 | libv | 19% |
| 20:54.24 | libv | weighs just a few grams |
| 20:55.45 | libv | same for the mele i got in june |
| 20:56.06 | mnemoc | .de and .uk are specially annoying import wise |
| 20:56.17 | libv | mnemoc: is it any wonder that germany is not that much of a target in the public debt """crisis""" |
| 20:56.24 | mnemoc | I received both of my meles directly at home, without any charge |
| 20:56.47 | mnemoc | libv: .es has lazines crisis |
| 20:57.31 | mnemoc | people simply doesn't know the meaning of the words "effort" and "work" |
| 20:58.08 | mnemoc | ..... maybe that's why they don't control small packages |
| 20:58.22 | mnemoc | good for me |
| 20:58.42 | libv | yeah, the amount of taxes raised that way is rather negligable :) |
| 21:00.56 | mnemoc | .es is not studing to sell citizenships to anyone buying a 160k property to reactivate the economy... wtf |
| 21:00.59 | mnemoc | now |
| 21:01.02 | mnemoc | err |
| 21:01.07 | mnemoc | .es is now studing to sell citizenships to anyone buying a 160k property to reactivate the economy... wtf |
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| 21:06.48 | Turl | overall what .es needs is a saner govt :) |
| 21:07.33 | mnemoc | "people has the governments they deserve" (tm) |
| 21:07.49 | rz2k | britain and us doing that too, but tax is 1.5M and 3M I believe. |
| 21:10.55 | rz2k | mnemoc: 140-160k is a price for cheap flat in old house in Moscow ghetto (and dont even ask about new flats in new houses), so they have a point providing that option. |
| 21:11.35 | mnemoc | actually they said they were targetting .ru and .cn people |
| 21:12.29 | mnemoc | but it feels whore-ish :< |
| 21:13.09 | Turl | nah |
| 21:13.57 | Turl | you can get .ar nationality if you want, for free, and we don't need you to buy a house or anything :) just saying |
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| 21:16.06 | mnemoc | Turl: it's a schengen passport, free movement across europe and easy access to most countries... at least until they kick us out because of the shameful economy and whore-ish attitudes |
| 21:17.34 | mnemoc | passports are tools, not signs of culture or whatever |
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| 21:17.53 | Turl | same here, you can get easy access to all mercosur |
| 21:23.15 | mnemoc | .ar, .br and.... .ve? |
| 21:23.46 | mnemoc | but well... economy there is far better than here these days anyway |
| 21:26.06 | Turl | mnemoc: .uy, .py, .br, .cl, .bo, .ec, .ve, .co & .pe |
| 21:26.13 | Turl | and well, .ar :) |
| 21:26.42 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 21:27.11 | mnemoc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_Mercosur |
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| 21:29.43 | Turl | mnemoc: ? |
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| 21:31.05 | mnemoc | Turl: 5 member if you count .uy and .py. but .ar+.br is already more than half south america anyway |
| 21:31.25 | mnemoc | no idea why .cl doesn't want to join |
| 21:31.42 | Turl | .cl is associate member |
| 21:32.29 | Turl | mnemoc: re. travel, http://www.migraciones.gov.ar/accesible/?doc_pais |
| 21:33.30 | mnemoc | Turl: free movement is .eu is not only about traveling, but also about settling and working |
| 21:34.04 | mnemoc | it's an amazing tool which .it and .es are begging to lose |
| 21:34.29 | Turl | you can settle and work over here no problem :p |
| 21:34.40 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:35.20 | mnemoc | and eat good dulce de leche.... not boiled condensated milk crap |
| 21:35.32 | Turl | :) |
| 21:36.41 | slapin | Marex: how I can quickly find real location of u-boot? |
| 21:36.47 | Turl | I'd send you a couple of jars :P but I think you cannot mail food |
| 21:37.25 | mnemoc | importing milk derivates seems to be complicated too |
| 21:37.39 | mnemoc | :| |
| 21:38.07 | slapin | Marex: Reserving 508k for U-Boot at: 5ff70000 is it this? |
| 21:38.51 | Turl | mnemoc: there's many .ar people on spain though, maybe you can buy it on regional stores or something |
| 21:39.24 | mnemoc | in my town most are .co/.ve shops |
| 21:39.36 | mnemoc | .ar people focus in beef ;-) |
| 21:40.28 | Turl | haha |
| 21:40.51 | Turl | can you buy mantecol at least somewhere? :) |
| 21:41.07 | mnemoc | haven't seen it |
| 21:41.18 | mnemoc | damn you Turl |
| 21:41.20 | mnemoc | :( |
| 21:41.29 | mnemoc | wants a mantecol bar |
| 21:41.33 | Turl | christmas and new year without mantecol is not worth celebrating :p |
| 21:43.18 | t0dbld|work | wtf is mantecol ? |
| 21:43.23 | Turl | mnemoc: http://www.tiendagaucha.com/es/product/mantecol |
| 21:43.43 | mnemoc | galicia (where I live) is full of .ar and .uy people (with .es passport)... but they act as most galician than the galicians :| |
| 21:44.14 | mnemoc | t0dbld|work: a bar of.... dry fat :p |
| 21:44.17 | t0dbld|work | lol well I still dont know what it is but ill take your word for it as being good |
| 21:44.21 | t0dbld|work | LOL |
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| 21:44.47 | Turl | t0dbld|work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantecol |
| 21:45.32 | Turl | mnemoc: that shop seems to ship to all .es |
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| 21:46.08 | mnemoc | Turl: 2.5E for 100gr.... + 8E for shipping |
| 21:46.11 | mnemoc | Turl: :< |
| 21:46.44 | mnemoc | 100gr of mantecol is just a bite |
| 21:47.08 | mnemoc | .oO |
| 21:47.40 | Turl | mnemoc: 100gr costs 1.6E over here :P |
| 21:48.03 | mnemoc | yes, the shipping is what hurts more |
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| 21:48.38 | t0dbld|work | lol you have daily candy in AR |
| 21:48.44 | Turl | mnemoc: buy alfajores and dulce de leche :P |
| 21:49.01 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:49.26 | Turl | not much variety really, but at least it's not craptastic brands only :) |
| 21:49.51 | Turl | havannets :o |
| 21:49.52 | mnemoc | t0dbld|work: .ar people eats more sweet in a week than europeans in a year |
| 21:50.12 | t0dbld|work | wow |
| 21:50.13 | Turl | mnemoc: americans still beat us :P |
| 21:50.14 | mnemoc | I took some dulce de leche to .de some years ago... and my flatmates weren't able to eat it |
| 21:50.19 | t0dbld|work | LOL i doubt that |
| 21:50.28 | t0dbld|work | I dont know many that have "Daily" candy |
| 21:50.46 | Turl | idk what they meant with daily candy |
| 21:51.00 | Turl | if you eat mantecol every day you'll die for sure :) |
| 21:51.06 | mnemoc | :D |
| 21:51.21 | mnemoc | but you'll die hapy |
| 21:51.23 | mnemoc | happy |
| 21:51.33 | Turl | haha yeah |
| 21:51.43 | Turl | t0dbld|work: it's probably just a typo of 'dairy' candy |
| 21:51.45 | Turl | as it contains milk |
| 21:52.27 | t0dbld|work | ahh |
| 21:52.29 | t0dbld|work | ok |
| 21:52.31 | t0dbld|work | thats better |
| 21:53.07 | Turl | t0dbld|work: I'll ship you some as 'parts' :P |
| 21:57.01 | t0dbld|work | haha sounds good |
| 21:57.03 | t0dbld|work | cant wait |
| 21:57.20 | t0dbld|work | gotta try the AR delicacy |
| 21:57.42 | Turl | amazon should sell it |
| 21:57.55 | Turl | they'd double their sales |
| 21:58.17 | t0dbld|work | lol |
| 21:59.12 | libv | did i ever send the nfsv3/4 cfg patches? |
| 21:59.28 | mnemoc | defconfig ? |
| 21:59.34 | mnemoc | not that I remmeber |
| 21:59.37 | mnemoc | remember* |
| 21:59.47 | libv | ah, right, ok. |
| 22:00.49 | mnemoc | iirc rz2k also promised a bloated sun4i_desktop_defconfig |
| 22:01.12 | libv | what do you mean by bloated? fb and mali as modules? |
| 22:01.40 | libv | wow, just noticed that wemac was 10baseHD |
| 22:01.47 | libv | this really cuts down the lima build time |
| 22:01.56 | mnemoc | ethtool ? |
| 22:01.57 | libv | when set to 100baseFD |
| 22:02.03 | libv | mii-tool did the trick for me |
| 22:02.41 | libv | 1/4th of the nfsed build time all of a sudden :) |
| 22:02.53 | mnemoc | :) |
| 22:03.00 | libv | 32s to build the lima tree over nfs on the mele |
| 22:03.28 | libv | 2.5 local on core2 i5 :) |
| 22:04.02 | mnemoc | how many times more spare ram? :) |
| 22:04.18 | techn | hmm.. is sunxi memory handling done wrong? since I think fb sticky pixels problem is related to cache flush |
| 22:04.34 | libv | sticky pixels? |
