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| 11:29.09 | oliv3r | new A10 tablet, the 'pengpod' |
| 11:29.22 | oliv3r | up on indiegogo |
| 11:29.57 | oliv3r | In their advertisement video 'we can even play full hd because the A10 has a vpu, you just use the libraries, the cedarx libraries' |
| 11:30.04 | mnemoc | rebranded table, no new hardware involved in the pengpod project |
| 11:30.56 | oliv3r | how is that 'open' lol |
| 11:31.11 | oliv3r | yeah i imagine, the only upside could be, more input from more developers here :) |
| 11:31.12 | mnemoc | thanks to the work of linux-sunxi people... |
| 11:31.22 | oliv3r | don't know if that was mentioned :p |
| 11:31.37 | oliv3r | but I was wondering, how the libcedarx support was realized, probably empat0 et al |
| 11:31.46 | oliv3r | but no input from there either, was there? |
| 11:32.19 | mnemoc | oliv3r: ask drachenphone why he decided to take credit of the work of the community |
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| 11:33.27 | oliv3r | i don't have an indiegogo account yet, but we should |
| 11:35.18 | oliv3r | the 'pengstick' looks an awefull lot like an mk802 |
| 11:35.31 | mnemoc | it is an mk802 |
| 11:35.40 | mnemoc | rebranded |
| 11:38.02 | mnemoc | some people understands free software in odd ways |
| 11:38.25 | oliv3r | created an account AND posted |
| 11:38.38 | oliv3r | maybe I was a little too harsh ... |
| 11:41.14 | oliv3r | cubieboard almost at 75k |
| 11:41.17 | oliv3r | not bad not bad |
| 11:41.25 | oliv3r | hipboi hasn't responded to my e-mail yet though :( |
| 11:41.42 | hipboi | oliv3r: hi |
| 11:41.45 | mnemoc | :) |
| 11:41.54 | hipboi | oliv3r: which email? |
| 11:42.25 | oliv3r | hipboi: 1GB mele a100 |
| 11:42.27 | oliv3r | a1000* |
| 11:42.34 | oliv3r | hipboi: hi! good morgning/evening/night |
| 11:42.35 | hipboi | oh, i almost forgot |
| 11:42.39 | oliv3r | wow my typing sucks there |
| 11:42.48 | hipboi | oliv3r: it will be on store soon |
| 11:43.05 | oliv3r | hipboi: btw, (i also said so in my prev. email) ALL mails have been successfully sent; nothing is stuck in the queue |
| 11:43.11 | mnemoc | a1000g and a2000g or only a1000g? |
| 11:43.27 | oliv3r | a1000G? G noting a 1GiB version? |
| 11:43.36 | oliv3r | nice nice, when is 'soon'? :) |
| 11:44.17 | mnemoc | at least DX using a trailing 'G' in the 1GB model, haven't checked to see if it's the official naming |
| 11:44.40 | mnemoc | s/using/uses/ |
| 11:44.58 | oliv3r | ah, haven't checked out dx's offering for a while, wanna us ecubieshop :) |
| 11:45.00 | hipboi | a1000g |
| 11:45.02 | hipboi | http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w5925641.3.Qy6xfA&id=20153148650 |
| 11:45.52 | mnemoc | hipboi: any idea if it has the uart and usb-otg headers inside? |
| 11:46.06 | hipboi | not yet |
| 11:46.10 | hipboi | should be the same |
| 11:46.19 | mnemoc | cool |
| 11:46.35 | oliv3r | make sure to put a 'package' up in your store, with both jtag etc connectors ;) |
| 11:47.27 | oliv3r | 'only' 10 USD price difference; then again 10USD for 512MiB extra is beefy enough :p |
| 11:47.46 | oliv3r | TO bad those remotes all have chinese characters on them :( :p |
| 11:48.06 | oliv3r | hipboi i think that tmall link requires authentication |
| 11:48.18 | mnemoc | link worked fine for me |
| 11:48.32 | oliv3r | (I had to type it :p) |
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| 11:48.59 | oliv3r | typoed :( |
| 11:49.02 | oliv3r | it works fine |
| 11:49.21 | mnemoc | oliv3r: get a better irc client |
| 11:49.23 | mnemoc | wb empat0 |
| 11:50.30 | oliv3r | mnemoc: i have pidgin running on a VM at home |
| 11:50.36 | oliv3r | but vnc doesn't allow copy/paste (yet) |
| 11:50.43 | oliv3r | so either I copy/paste it into my screen session |
| 11:50.51 | empat0 | hi all! i'm still stucked with my A10 stv-301. Everythings works (kernel, usb, ethernet, ...), but i do not get hdmi output. I do not have any idea where to start searching. It is a Rev C chip, are there any known issues? |
| 11:50.53 | oliv3r | or use local firefox, which is 'slow' |
| 11:50.57 | lundman | :) |
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| 11:51.06 | mnemoc | oliv3r: research about screen + irssi |
| 11:51.36 | oliv3r | mnemoc: i have irssi in screen for other networks, but i have 15+ screen (virtual windows)'s open allready and don't want an nother one for this one :p |
| 11:51.50 | Turl | oliv3r: look into ZNC :) |
| 11:52.10 | oliv3r | vnc comes with libvirt/kvm |
| 11:52.15 | oliv3r | so it's 'easy' |
| 11:52.27 | oliv3r | oh, znc = bnc |
| 11:52.28 | oliv3r | :p |
| 11:52.32 | mnemoc | easy to setup, hard to use.... not a good deal |
| 11:52.45 | oliv3r | it's fine to use, but i prefer opening links locally |
| 11:52.50 | lundman | use lbnc! |
| 11:52.54 | Turl | empat0: have you checked script.bin? |
| 11:52.57 | mnemoc | oliv3r: typing the urls.... |
| 11:53.07 | lundman | oh wait, you want irc bouncers, nevermind |
| 11:53.20 | hipboi | empat0: and /dev/hdmi |
| 11:53.28 | empat0 | yes. i took it from android. |
| 11:53.35 | mnemoc | he is happy using vnc to a kvm machine and use pidgin there... |
| 11:53.53 | Turl | empat0: do you have screen0 set up to output to hdmi? |
| 11:53.56 | rm | oliv3r, VNC does allow copy-paste, if you run the vncconfig utility inside the VNC session |
| 11:54.06 | empat0 | turl: yes |
| 11:54.11 | lundman | oli: wait, are you saying you have 15 screen sessions? |
| 11:54.20 | Turl | empat0: and screen1 disabled? |
| 11:54.29 | oliv3r | rm: really? i'll try that |
| 11:54.31 | Turl | empat0: and modules loaded in correct order? |
| 11:54.31 | empat0 | hibpoi: no /dev/hdmi. |
| 11:54.46 | hipboi | empat0: lsmod |
| 11:55.06 | hipboi | empat0: hipboi not hibpoi |
| 11:55.10 | oliv3r | rm: i think it's a limitation of the KVM/libvirt vnc server |
| 11:55.21 | empat0 | turl: at the moment i have them compiled into kernel. should i go back to modules? |
| 11:55.39 | empat0 | hipboi: sorry |
| 11:55.51 | Turl | empat0: try that, if it works as modules you should talk with libv |
| 11:55.54 | lundman | dangit, stackoverflow has disappointed me, where do all the experts hang out |
| 11:56.01 | Turl | empat0: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-bsp/blob/master/rootfs/debian-ubuntu/etc/modules <- here's the right order |
| 11:56.07 | oliv3r | lundman: here :p |
| 11:56.44 | empat0 | turl: ok, will try again modules and see. thanks. |
| 11:57.34 | Turl | I heard they agreed to truncate the cubieboard campaign? |
| 11:57.36 | oliv3r | mnemoc: i think the a1000g name is 'official' since the G is printed on the actual box ( on dx) |
| 11:57.46 | oliv3r | Turl: 'truncate' |
| 11:57.52 | Turl | I still see 26 days left though |
| 11:57.59 | lundman | oliv3r: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13284986/ccm-aes-from-linux-kernel |
| 11:58.17 | lundman | its for a good cause! |
| 11:58.41 | rm | oliv3r, I dunno if you use KVM's VNC, then probably not; but when the remote system is the GNU/Linux "vnc4server", then it can support copy/paste via that utility |
| 11:58.49 | mnemoc | Turl: last saturday they asked me for the new ending date. replied on sunday, and how to see the change applied today |
| 11:58.58 | mnemoc | s/how/hope/ |
| 11:59.12 | oliv3r | rm: ah probably yeah, i know for kvm/libvirt its an outstanding bug issue, and they 'plan' to fix it via spice some day |
| 11:59.33 | oliv3r | mnemoc: changes? not gonna let it run for that long any longer? |
| 12:00.06 | mnemoc | oliv3r: it will be closed the 15th. to get the money wired sooner and the try to ship before xmas |
| 12:00.50 | oliv3r | nice :D |
| 12:01.01 | oliv3r | hipboi: now you got me excited abou tthe a1000g; when WHEN! |
| 12:01.17 | mnemoc | "soon" :) |
| 12:01.24 | Turl | what's an a1000g? |
| 12:01.32 | mnemoc | an a1000 with 1GB |
| 12:01.35 | empat0 | turl: ok, will try again modules and see. thanks. |
| 12:01.41 | Turl | mnemoc: oh |
| 12:02.27 | rm | oliv3r, one solution would be to not use Xorg and KVM's VNC, but have a text console only system (as far as KVM concerned) and run a vnc4server session in it, connecting to that one instead of the KVM's |
| 12:02.30 | oliv3r | i've sold my pivos! :D with a tiny provit :p so i have money for an a10 media player |
| 12:02.38 | Turl | could make dual core 1.5GB A10 mele :P |
| 12:07.55 | mnemoc | Turl: http://guillaumeplayground.net/allwinner-a10-cluster-mele-a2000/ |
| 12:08.56 | Turl | yeah, I saw that one |
| 12:09.02 | Turl | awesome cluster :P |
| 12:09.39 | hipboi | oliv3r: i will tell you later after i commuicate with my friend Luffy |
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| 12:14.22 | Turl | a1000g looks thinner |
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| 12:18.13 | lundman | oh well |
| 12:28.39 | empat0 | Turl: back to modules, i used the suggested order, no hdmi output. (TV: check signal cable) |
| 12:30.39 | empat0 | when i query the status from /dev/disp it says status 0 (not connected). |
| 12:32.56 | empat0 | I thought the hdmi pins on the A10 are hardwired, right? |
| 12:33.30 | empat0 | Or is it possible to configure the hdmi pins? |
| 12:36.42 | Turl | no idea |
| 12:36.48 | Turl | http://www.indiegogo.com/robotdragonfly <- cool stuff |
| 12:41.46 | Maqs | "people can't tell the difference" - must be pretty stupid people |
| 12:55.15 | mnemoc | if 100 IQ score is really the average, people is statistically pretty stupid |
| 12:59.03 | slapin_ | hno: I made initial sequence work to reading NAND chip ID, what next? it needs some planning... |
| 12:59.10 | slapin_ | hi, all! |
| 12:59.17 | mnemoc | slapin_: my .fex? :) |
| 12:59.39 | slapin_ | mnemoc: what fex? |
| 12:59.54 | mnemoc | the script.fex of your mk802 |
| 12:59.57 | mnemoc | for the bsp |
| 13:00.31 | slapin_ | mnemoc: awwww... I don't have spare monitor for android where I hack the device |
| 13:00.34 | mnemoc | to keep consistency between the boards supported by u-boot-sunxi and sunxi-bsp and all that BS |
| 13:00.56 | mnemoc | slapin_: you only need to mount nanda and copy the file |
| 13:01.00 | slapin_ | what is sunxi-bsp? |
| 13:01.30 | mnemoc | a bunch of scripts to help people generatic hwpacks and images |
| 13:01.37 | mnemoc | generate* |
| 13:01.44 | slapin_ | mnemoc: then what is hwpack? |
| 13:02.26 | mnemoc | a tarball with precompiled kernel, u-boot, script.bin and proprietary libs for a certain board |
| 13:03.54 | slapin_ | mnemoc: and what .fex have to do with it? I think I still miss something important over here... :( |
| 13:04.26 | mnemoc | the script.bin/fex describes the board so the kernel can start working on it |
| 13:04.49 | mnemoc | like a .dtb file in standard arm linux |
| 13:08.53 | slapin_ | mnemoc: so kernel is non-standard and uses script.bin for its settings? |
| 13:09.01 | mnemoc | yes |
| 13:09.27 | mnemoc | and once it becomes DT compliant we will convert the .fex files into .dtb |
| 13:10.35 | jlj | mnemoc: hi, do you know who makes/runs https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-bsp ? Someone from here? |
| 13:11.35 | mnemoc | jlj: yes, why? |
| 13:12.16 | jlj | mnemoc: I tried it with a supported board but it couldn't find the config file or something like that. |
| 13:12.32 | mnemoc | what board? |
| 13:12.39 | jlj | mnemoc: the gooseberry |
| 13:13.24 | jlj | mnemoc: it showed up as a supported board in the configure script but it would drop out with an error |
| 13:13.25 | mnemoc | jlj: ./configure gooseberry_A721 |
| 13:13.31 | jlj | yeah that one |
| 13:14.58 | slapin_ | where are you getting these boards with names on A10? I only have nameless variants and mk802 clones... |
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| 13:16.25 | mnemoc | jlj: right, there is no u-boot support for it yet, please file a ticket, I'll try to look at it later tonight |
| 13:16.38 | jlj | mnemoc: how do I do that? |
| 13:16.49 | mnemoc | jlj: github -> issues |
| 13:16.53 | mnemoc | back in 30m |
| 13:17.09 | jlj | okay, will do. |
| 13:26.40 | mnemoc | slapin_: by comparing PCBs, and by info in android's board info files normally |
| 13:27.17 | mnemoc | android's build.prop usually includes the name of the board |
| 13:28.04 | mnemoc | jlj: all models are 512MB? |
| 13:28.34 | jlj | mnemoc: yes |
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| 13:34.30 | jlj | ticket filed |
| 13:42.04 | mnemoc | thank you |
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| 13:59.22 | jlj | mnemoc: somebody called amery commented on the ticket, is that you? |
| 14:03.16 | empat0 | mnemoc: i am still trying to understand my hdmi troubles. afaik the hdmi is always on the same A10 pins, is that right? |
| 14:05.28 | Turl | jlj: amery == mnemoc, yes |
| 14:05.49 | jlj | okay |
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| 14:07.20 | mnemoc | empat0: but can be disabled or misconfigured |
| 14:07.51 | mnemoc | empat0: also edid is not supported, so only certain resolutions works |
| 14:08.44 | mnemoc | jlj: yes |
| 14:09.27 | empat0 | mnemoc: of course. since i have a running android (with hdmi), i will try to spy on the register settings. the registers are memory mapped, right? |
| 14:10.15 | libv | empat0: it's arm, so yes |
| 14:10.38 | jlj | mnemoc: okay I'll try it. is it possible to use that script to compile a kernel with more modules included? ie. usb-audio usb-video and such? |
| 14:11.32 | jlj | mnemoc: if it doesn't work I won't be able to say why though (no serial or even hdmi). but let's hope it works lol |
| 14:11.43 | slapin_ | damn, nobody cared to put getty on serial on android image :( |
| 14:17.54 | libv | would the Aakash 2 be an A13? |
| 14:20.16 | slapin_ | Any advices on some hackable GSM+GPS tablet? I need some choice to select from.... |
| 14:20.43 | mnemoc | nexus7? |
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| 14:21.50 | Turl | nexus 10? :P |
| 14:22.21 | libv | 10 has mali. although the new one which i haven't gone near yet :) |
| 14:23.09 | slapin_ | mnemoc, Turl: the cheaper the better :) I'd prefer A10 ones, but can live with anything under $250 for which I can build full rootfs and kernel. |
| 14:23.33 | Turl | slapin_: any specific size? |
| 14:24.40 | slapin_ | Turl: anything > than 7" |
| 14:24.50 | mnemoc | don't know any A10 tablet with gsm and gps |
| 14:25.10 | slapin_ | >= actually |
| 14:25.20 | Turl | slapin_: nexus 7 was 199$ I think |
| 14:25.37 | mnemoc | the model with 3g modem is $250 |
| 14:25.49 | mnemoc | iirc |
| 14:26.02 | Turl | I think canonical supports it btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7 |
| 14:27.00 | slapin_ | are these still made, so I can come in 6 months and buy 100? |
| 14:27.34 | Turl | you should check with google I guess |
| 14:28.34 | mnemoc | the 3g model is pretty new |
| 14:29.09 | slapin_ | the best is some cheap crappy hardware, nexus7 is too cool I won't be able to talk my employers to buy it :( |
| 14:30.06 | slapin_ | it is necessary to be able to mass-stock it in China, and probably relabel |
| 14:31.22 | mnemoc | slapin_: talk with tom, he is working with someone doing A10-based GPS devices |
| 14:44.57 | libv | slapin_: google says bmorn V15 |
| 14:45.14 | libv | ah, that's 7" |
| 14:56.15 | slapin_ | mnemoc: Tom said ask here :) |
| 14:59.27 | mnemoc | slapin_: see that bmorn V15 libv found |
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| 15:06.58 | slapin_ | libv: does it have GPS? |
| 15:07.13 | slapin_ | libv: this bmorn thing? |
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| 15:11.15 | libv | lmgtfy.com :) |
| 15:11.58 | jinzo | slapin_, or something from ainovo |
| 15:13.41 | jinzo | s/ainovo/ainol novo/ |
| 15:16.15 | jinzo | unfortunately the new offerings are AMLogic, but I was very impressed with their quality on a A10 device |
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| 15:31.26 | rz2k | anyone wants to compile VLC (2 hours on A10) ? |
| 15:31.35 | rz2k | I need confirmation about issue with linaro |
| 15:34.01 | rz2k | libv: I have 0x0000300B from test program in mali-libs after clear installation of x11 libs on linaro, is that ok? |
| 15:34.56 | libv | EGL_BAD_NATIVE_WINDOW |
| 15:35.15 | libv | the test program has not been ported for x11 |
| 15:35.36 | libv | and i am beginning to think that vgrade_ was running X on top of the framebuffer libs |
| 15:36.40 | rz2k | not a best thing to do |
| 15:38.14 | slapin_ | is this amlogic stuff http://openlinux.amlogic.com/download/linux/ARM/u-boot/ can really be used with sticks? |
| 15:39.02 | slapin_ | libv, rz2k: what is wrong with framebuffer libs? |
| 15:39.12 | libv | slapin_: nothing. |
| 15:39.17 | rz2k | they dont run with x11? |
| 15:39.33 | libv | slapin_: read the backlog again |
| 15:39.43 | slapin_ | ewwwww |
| 15:40.32 | vgrade_ | libv: I thought I was :) |
| 15:40.49 | libv | seems like i should go through the trouble of installing X on the a7hd, and port the test program |
| 15:41.53 | libv | maybe my makefiles should install separate symlinks libEGL_framebuffer.so or libEGL_x11.so to distinguish things |
| 15:42.06 | jinzo | rz2k, I was just thinking something about linaro - you're woring in adding a linaro build/board? |
| 15:42.10 | jinzo | unofficial one, ofcourse |
| 15:43.53 | slapin_ | libv: I faled to understand backlog, so, problem solved. |
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| 15:44.13 | libv | slapin_: ok. |
| 15:44.33 | rz2k | jinzo: no, just using it as default distro |
| 15:44.43 | libv | slapin_: framebuffer libs work, as the test program (written to work against the framebuffer libs so far) works |
| 15:44.54 | jinzo | any idea why noone has done it yet? Too much work? Something else that I'm missing? |
| 15:45.06 | libv | vgrade_ had the testprogram overwriting the raw framebuffer last night, as the test program just worked |
| 15:45.37 | libv | now rz2k gets the egl error message that i was actually expecting |
| 15:46.06 | rz2k | jinzo: no idea, probably no one knows how to do that and have time to do that :p |
| 15:46.30 | libv | what will a linaro build/board gain us at this point? |
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| 15:47.13 | rz2k | nothing, just a repos with updates and preconfigured system |
| 15:47.37 | rz2k | also we cant join linaro anyway, that costs $1M |
| 15:48.24 | libv | joining the actual organization is quite irrelevant |
| 15:48.27 | jinzo | indeed - but lower entry barrier is interesting. |
| 15:48.41 | libv | jinzo: what will be lowered? |
| 15:48.55 | jinzo | and a easly updatable system |
| 15:48.57 | libv | jinzo: we would need separate script.bins for every device anyway |
| 15:49.12 | rz2k | we will need to host our own repo and etc. not worth it, yeah. |
| 15:49.14 | libv | jinzo: which you get when you install a linaro image for userspace |
| 15:49.18 | jinzo | libv, http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps |
| 15:49.36 | jinzo | so no need to set up a compiler, compile stuff etc. |
| 15:49.39 | slapin_ | is script.bin u-boot script or something else? |
| 15:50.02 | jinzo | I didn't put much tought into it, that's why I asked |
| 15:50.02 | libv | jinzo: why is that linked to linaro? |
| 15:50.07 | rz2k | binary structure dump that u-boot loads to memory and then kernel configures everything against it. |
| 15:50.19 | rz2k | pinmux, available devices and etc. |
| 15:50.26 | rz2k | "device tree done wrong" |
| 15:50.35 | slapin_ | rz2k: thanks |
| 15:50.47 | libv | jinzo: why is that not providing boot files, uboot, kernel, and the device specific script.bin in an easy to use image/script? |
| 15:51.11 | jinzo | libv, because you get premade images that you can easly put on SD |
| 15:51.12 | rz2k | libv: we have sunxi-bsp waiting for some love for that purposes :p |
| 15:51.16 | libv | jinzo: where does linaro come in there? |
| 15:51.26 | libv | rz2k: indeed |
| 15:51.36 | jinzo | ah, like I said - I didn't know much |
| 15:51.36 | libv | but i think i am thinspread enough as is. |
| 15:51.58 | jinzo | as I used linaro on IGEP and it was quite easier than what FirstSteps is describing. |
| 15:52.04 | rz2k | yeah, we'll figure something out soon. |
| 15:52.19 | rz2k | I just use linaro because I can make a bootable sdcard in two-three commands |
| 15:52.46 | libv | jinzo: guys like me still need this info, i still need to be able to build the kernel |
| 15:52.53 | jinzo | libv, ofcourse |
| 15:52.54 | rz2k | (a1x-media-create and my kernel/scriptbin/modules) |
| 15:52.56 | libv | also, uboot needs to know device specifics |
| 15:52.58 | jinzo | but you're allready here, helping |
| 15:53.03 | vgrade_ | the a1x-create-media script worked well for me |
| 15:53.04 | jinzo | what about people "out there" |
| 15:53.15 | libv | jinzo: well, go do what rz2k said |
| 15:53.23 | libv | the bsp repo can use more love |
| 15:53.24 | jinzo | indeed - didn't know that this exsisted. |
| 15:53.31 | libv | (everything can, tbh) |
| 15:53.40 | vgrade_ | well apart from installing mali-libs in /lib |
| 15:54.02 | libv | vgrade_: let me quote mnemoc: patches are always welcome :p |
| 15:54.15 | vgrade_ | libv: :) |
| 15:54.21 | jinzo | I just hope sun6i will be close to sun4/5i as A10 is allready loosing momentum (damn fast moving tech world) |
| 15:54.52 | libv | goes back to autoconfing lima |
| 15:55.27 | libv | it's rather amazing what bits are missed if you only build against the android-ndk. a proper toolchain is very noisy in comparison |
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| 16:03.43 | empat0 | i'm really stucked with the A10 stv-301. i compared the script.bin with the script.bin of mk802, and they seemed to be nearly the same. so i inserted the stv-301 sd-card into my mk802 and it booted and initialized hdmi correctly. what is going wrong with the stv-301? new chip release? some hack in the hardware? |
| 16:09.11 | Turl | empat0: can you diff both script.fex? |
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| 16:14.29 | empat0 | Turl: http://pastebin.com/VETiwAMb |
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| 16:17.07 | Turl | 322c315 < screen1_output_type = 0 --- > screen1_output_type = 3 |
| 16:17.50 | empat0 | Turl: i tried also with 3 - no difference |
| 16:17.54 | Turl | 0 means "screen0 <screen0,fb0>" which is probably what you want |
| 16:18.00 | Turl | 3 means two_same_screen_diff_contets <screen0,screen1,fb0> |
| 16:18.19 | Turl | (from http://linux-sunxi.org/Fex_Guide) |
| 16:21.27 | Mehhh | heh |
| 16:23.11 | mnemoc | stefanro1: that commit means you started reimplemnting the sunxi core for DT? |
| 16:23.39 | stefanro1 | hides |
| 16:23.43 | Mehhh | What is the easiest way to enable OTG / host ? |
| 16:23.58 | empat0 | Turl: i have read the fex guide. The funny thing is that the mk802 initializes hdmi with BOTH fex configurations... |
| 16:24.13 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: no, i didn't *re*implement it - i ported very basic support to mainline linux with DT support |
| 16:24.40 | empat0 | Turl: and the stv-301 leaves tv in "no cable" mode ... |
| 16:24.41 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: i know you are not very fond of this - but i felt like doing it would be a "good thing" |
| 16:25.00 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: patch for basic DT linux support will follow shortly |
| 16:25.08 | mnemoc | stefanro1: sure, it's good |
| 16:25.52 | mnemoc | stefanro1: i'm not fond of having everyone only thinking in "mainlining the core" instead of helping to fix the drivers |
| 16:26.52 | Turl | Mehhh: changing usb_port_type on script.bin |
| 16:28.05 | mnemoc | stefanro1: but sure it's a good thing. I (also) started reimplementing the core myself, but work doesn't really leave me time to code sunxi stuff currently... so if you can do it, awesome |
| 16:28.35 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: yes, i know - my time is also limited and i need to move to other "projects" |
| 16:29.31 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: comments are very welcome |
| 16:30.36 | mnemoc | stefanro1: where is it? |
| 16:30.42 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: okay linux patch is out |
| 16:31.35 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: eventually i would like to send this basic DT sunxi support to the l-a-k list at some time - after some review on this sunxi list |
| 16:34.41 | rz2k | I already started porting the wemac driver to DT. - please rewrite it completely to DMA |
| 16:34.43 | mnemoc | stefanro1: btw, A13 needs the debug uart to be uart1... don't know what;s the right way of doing that with the new debug stuff |
| 16:35.23 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: most likely a new Kconfig option to select the debug uart (or offset) |
| 16:35.42 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: i only have cubieboard, so i can't test on any other platform |
| 16:36.28 | mnemoc | stefanro1: can that be set of the .dtb? |
| 16:36.37 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: basic idea behind this port is to support all sunxi targets in one linux kernel image (if really possible), and enable/disable the peripherals via dts files |
| 16:36.41 | mnemoc | stefanro1: afaik board details aren't accepted in uImage |
| 16:36.58 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: no, debug stuff is pre-dt |
| 16:37.11 | Mehhh | Turl , does that file need to be added, or can it be edited from android on the device itself or.... |
| 16:37.23 | Mehhh | do i need a toolchain to build something from my nix box |
| 16:37.24 | mnemoc | so we can't have a a13/a10 kernel with debug on uart0 for a10 and uart1 for a13? |
| 16:38.09 | stefanro1 | might be problematic - but who needs debug uart when it really working? ;) |
| 16:38.09 | Turl | Mehhh: nanda |
| 16:38.17 | Turl | bin2fex, edit, fex2bin |
| 16:38.20 | Turl | gotta run :P |
| 16:38.27 | mnemoc | sun3i is ARM926T .... is that supported by multiplatform? I only saw v6 and v7 |
| 16:38.34 | Turl | cya later all |
| 16:38.46 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: no, this not support, afaik |
| 16:39.30 | Mehhh | So there is no way to quickly replace the script.bin or add |
| 16:39.38 | mnemoc | stefanro1: there other doubt is about irq... can't we use the generic vic handler? |
| 16:39.39 | stefanro1 | still knows very little about the sunxi SoC families and its history |
| 16:39.58 | mnemoc | aaaaarg.... I can't type! |
| 16:40.10 | mnemoc | stefanro1: the other doubt I have is about irq... can't we use the generic vic handler? |
| 16:40.10 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: do you know for sure that its the ARM VIC integrated into the sunxi? |
| 16:40.24 | mnemoc | nope, but the code "suggests" it |
| 16:40.32 | mnemoc | same as the uart been 8250 |
| 16:40.42 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: which code suggests it? |
| 16:40.50 | mnemoc | var names :) |
| 16:41.00 | stefanro1 | i compared some registers and it was very different |
| 16:41.05 | mnemoc | there are a bunch of "vic" strings |
| 16:41.06 | mnemoc | ok |
| 16:41.34 | stefanro1 | yes, "vic" is a bit very generic - we might rename it |
| 16:41.44 | Mehhh | Is there a premade uboot or patch or something that already has OTG |
| 16:42.52 | mnemoc | stefanro1: drivers/irqchip/ ? |
| 16:43.20 | mnemoc | or that's not mandatory yet? |
| 16:43.21 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: yes, could be move there - or *should* be moved there |
| 16:43.41 | mnemoc | ok |
| 16:43.58 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: i'm really not sure, but i can "git mv" it there for the next version - no prob |
| 16:45.46 | mnemoc | it's finally official, the cubieboard campaign ends the 15th. "This campaign will receive all of the funds contributed by Thu Nov 15 at 11:59PM PT." |
| 16:47.19 | mnemoc | stefanro1: sounds good :) |
| 16:47.52 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: i have to leave in a few minutes - please collect all review comments and send them as reply to the list |
| 16:48.18 | mnemoc | stefanro1: sure |
| 16:48.20 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: easier for me to read, than reading the loooong backlog of this channel :) |
| 16:49.02 | mnemoc | stefanro1: of course |
| 16:50.15 | stefanro1 | mnemoc: okay, bye for now (family time starts...) :) |
| 16:51.28 | mnemoc | stefanro1: enjoy :) |
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| 16:56.37 | panzersajt | hy! |
| 16:57.10 | panzersajt | I have seen your products on the interner PengPod tablets |
| 16:57.37 | panzersajt | I would like to ask some details about the products |
| 16:58.52 | panzersajt | Mali400 linux driver |
| 16:59.23 | panzersajt | is it a full driver from vendor or an open source version? |
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| 16:59.43 | panzersajt | can we get the hw accelerated ui on it? |
| 16:59.57 | panzersajt | can we install Ubuntu 12.04 on it? |
| 17:00.17 | panzersajt | all the sensor work in linux and android? |
| 17:00.28 | RaYmAn | "your products"? |
| 17:00.41 | mnemoc | panzersajt: anything that applies to any A10-based devices applies to those PengPod rebranded things |
| 17:00.42 | hno | slapin_, cool. Is your code available somewhere for testing / playing with? |
| 17:00.46 | panzersajt | oh sry |
| 17:00.54 | panzersajt | wrong channel |
| 17:01.43 | slapin_ | hno: it just detects NAND. I will play with it some more today |
| 17:02.20 | hno | slapin_, if you can read the nand id then it's already very far. |
| 17:02.48 | mnemoc | hno: did you see the "boot0" nand code from A10S' SDK? |
| 17:02.52 | slapin_ | hno: will probably get it farther, got appropriate stuff mtd-wise working, so can implement all functions within MTD infrastructure without any troubles. |
| 17:06.31 | slapin_ | hno: then I'll make pull-request and we'll need to play with it regarding nifty features, like ECC. |
| 17:08.06 | slapin_ | hno: how can livesuit do sdram probing? on what grounds? |
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| 18:02.22 | slapin_ | hno: |
| 18:07.18 | hno | slapin_, sorry, not really here tnight. |
| 18:07.37 | hno | mnemoc, no, where? |
| 18:08.53 | hno | slapin_, livesuit uploads code to SRAM and executes and then fetches the answer. |
| 18:09.16 | mnemoc | hno: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/tree/wip/lichee3-sunxi/import-a10s-sdk/drivers/block/sun5i_nand/src/boot0 |
| 18:10.13 | mnemoc | hno: it's a very simplied driver |
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| 18:43.32 | techn | cool.. dt :) |
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| 19:14.46 | slapin_ | techn: where? |
| 19:15.51 | techn | ML |
| 19:16.25 | techn | Seems to be atleast a skeleton to complete 1st phase :) |
| 19:17.15 | Mehhh | does anyone have a precompiled script.bin for otg |
| 19:17.30 | Mehhh | or is it included in most linux images for mk802 |
| 19:18.15 | techn | Mehhh: what you mean with otg? |
| 19:18.39 | Mehhh | For power / keyboard / trackpad over the mini USB with a 4pin cable |
| 19:18.44 | techn | Atleast for me mini-x supports usb in host mode |
| 19:18.53 | Mehhh | http://i.imgur.com/NlthE.jpg |
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| 19:20.30 | Mehhh | :D |
| 19:21.14 | Mehhh | So yeh, techn. I see where i would need to decompile, but do the images on miniand/riko include that support stock? I know the default android firmware doesn't for most mk802 revisions |
| 19:21.47 | Mehhh | If there is one i can leech from or download sep, I can (at worst) just add the fat partition for OTG script ahead of time |
| 19:33.57 | rm | Mehhh, I have it on mine |
| 19:34.29 | Mehhh | Any way you can transfer me just the script.bin |
| 19:34.38 | Mehhh | or whatever image i need |
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| 19:38.11 | rm | Mehhh, http://media.romanrm.ru/a10/script-bin/romanrm.ru-en-a10-debian-v2012-11-02-v1.bin |
| 19:38.11 | Mehhh | Awesome |
| 19:38.11 | Mehhh | You're running deb or ubuntu? |
| 19:38.11 | rm | debian |
| 19:38.13 | rm | this is the script.bin which is also in the http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/debian OS image |
| 19:38.46 | rm | I changed it specifically to enable the wifi always, and enable OTG mode on the miniUSB port |
| 19:39.19 | Mehhh | You are awesome |
| 19:39.27 | Mehhh | This is exactly what i was looking for |
| 19:39.53 | Mehhh | Do any wheezy images exist yet? |
| 19:40.01 | rm | I just linked one ^ |
| 19:40.38 | rm | and there's a link to another one at the very bottom of the page |
| 19:43.44 | Mehhh | cool cool |
| 19:43.47 | Mehhh | dling now :D |
| 19:45.17 | mnemoc | rm: do you have a serial console on your mk802? the .fex doesn't include dram info :< |
| 19:46.18 | rm | no, not on this one |
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| 20:09.12 | vgrade | ls |
| 20:11.42 | mnemoc | /names works better |
| 20:11.58 | vgrade | wrong window :) |
| 20:14.01 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 20:20.09 | vinifm | is there complete datasheet to a13? |
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| 20:23.39 | mnemoc | vinifm: maybe with an NDA |
| 20:33.26 | vinifm | cool :0 |
| 20:34.44 | mnemoc | even http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A13/A13%20Datasheet%20-%20v1.12%20%282012-03-29%29.pdf is considered a restricted document |
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| 20:38.37 | vinifm | how i discover the address UARTn_BASE, for example? |
| 20:41.31 | mnemoc | looking at platform.h... |
| 20:41.51 | mnemoc | there is some stuff about the registers in the wiki too |
| 20:42.23 | vinifm | ok, thanks |
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| 20:53.09 | techn | mnemoc: according this document http://www.elinux.org/images/a/ad/Arm-soc-checklist.pdf, in KConfig could be ARCH and SUB-ARCH options allwinner - sun4i/sun5i/... :/ |
| 20:54.28 | techn | "I Kconfig, describing your ARCH_<yourarch> option, as well as sub-options for each SoC if your family has multiple SoC. No per-board options: your kernel image is independent from the board details." |
| 20:57.26 | mnemoc | in general mach-sunxi/sun[456x]i.c should be enough |
| 20:58.22 | mnemoc | but I couldn't find a place to let the user choose the debug UART |
| 20:58.42 | techn | that could be answer to that UART problem.. but sure that should be avoided if possiple |
| 21:01.01 | techn | how other platforms has tackled that problem? |
| 21:06.06 | techn | that seems to be unresolved issue currently :/ |
| 21:08.35 | mnemoc | currently the only place is a "platform choice" at mach-sunxi/Kconfig |
| 21:09.00 | mnemoc | at least that's the only excuse/place I found |
| 21:12.09 | techn | http://www.digipedia.pl/usenet/thread/19011/23217/ |
| 21:13.45 | mnemoc | that's the boolean thing stefanro1 used |
| 21:13.58 | mnemoc | it's the standard way these days |
| 21:14.51 | mnemoc | but it doesn't allow one to choose uart within the options of the chosen platform |
| 21:15.22 | mnemoc | it allows to distinguish between omap and sunxi earlyprintk |
| 21:19.30 | mnemoc | but adding one boolean choice for each uart port doesn't sounds reasonable |
| 21:20.05 | techn | port cant be passed via commandline? or I read somewhere that there could be some init parsing of DT? |
| 21:21.30 | mnemoc | too late for earlyprintk |
| 21:21.35 | techn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/ARMDeviceTrees#Early_boot_requirements |
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| 21:38.21 | Turl | so I've got to do a final project for computer architecture and was thinking of using a sunxi device for it, any ideas? :) |
| 21:41.36 | mnemoc | a vaapi library? ;-) |
| 21:42.20 | Turl | tempting :P |
| 21:42.58 | Turl | wonder if it would be feasible to RE cedarx in under a month |
| 21:43.23 | mnemoc | start with the vaapi part :p |
| 21:44.25 | Turl | but a simple binding would hardly qualify as my project :P |
| 21:44.38 | mnemoc | proper REing is slow and you can't do the "documentation" and the re-implementation parts yourself |
| 21:45.04 | Turl | maybe I can give libv a hand and learn gpu arch |
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| 21:45.10 | Turl | why can't you do both? |
| 21:45.11 | techn | vaapi + RE plan ? |
| 21:45.37 | mnemoc | Turl: because you saw their implementation and so you are dirty |
| 21:45.39 | jinzo | Turl, something called "clean room" process. |
| 21:45.48 | jinzo | quite standard stuff. |
| 21:46.00 | Turl | I saw their ugly .so :p |
| 21:46.43 | jelly-home | Turl: and now you can explain what it does in your own words! |
| 21:47.38 | mnemoc | Turl: vaapi also involves libdrm and libdri, it's not "just bindings" |
| 21:48.04 | Turl | void main() { puts("I speak C jelly-home"); |
| 21:48.06 | Turl | } |
| 21:48.39 | jelly-home | I donts believe you, Mr. Void Main!! |
| 21:49.08 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:49.20 | Turl | when you use -Wall -Wextra -pedantic --std=c99 it doesn't like void mains |
| 21:50.41 | mnemoc | if you don't -std, you aren't writting C |
| 21:50.46 | zoobab | hi |
| 21:51.31 | zoobab | anyone has a working Xserver in 1920px? |
| 21:51.41 | Turl | I write gnu99 C mnemoc |
| 21:51.42 | Turl | :P |
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| 21:53.12 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 22:23.57 | hno | techn, sure, should be possible to pass debug uart port number as command line param. Only need and early_param() declaration for it. |
| 22:23.59 | hno | no idea if device tree data can be used that early. |
| 22:41.05 | Turl | hno: hi |
| 22:41.15 | Turl | hno: how operational is A10 post-uboot? |
| 22:42.06 | hno | What |
| 22:42.08 | hno | ? |
| 22:42.21 | hno | Turl? |
| 22:42.53 | Turl | hno: I'm planning what to do for my computer arch project |
| 22:43.21 | hno | Turl, what do you mean by "post-uboot"? |
| 22:43.27 | Turl | hno: the idea of making something on bare metal occured to me |
| 22:43.33 | Turl | chainloaded from uboot |
| 22:44.26 | hno | You can start anything from u-boot. The SoC is fully operational and you get a flying start. |
| 22:44.54 | hno | But not sure why one would do this on an A10. |
| 22:45.14 | Turl | so I don't need to worry about clocks and ram init and anything else, right? |
| 22:45.22 | lundman | hmm |
| 22:45.32 | Turl | hno: because is the board I have at hand |
| 22:46.01 | hno | Turl, correct. DRAM and CPU clocks are already configured. Clocks for some other components are not. |
| 22:46.21 | Triffid_Hunter | Turl: for doing bare metal stuff, I suggest you'd be better off with a cortex-m3 or m4 microcontroller |
| 22:46.33 | Turl | at most I'm going to use UART I guess |
| 22:46.58 | Triffid_Hunter | Turl: those at least you can get the datasheet and register maps for.. |
| 22:46.58 | Turl | I'm still brainstorming though, nothing settled |
| 22:47.14 | hno | Ok. |
| 22:47.37 | hno | The UART used by u-boot is obviously clocked. |
| 22:47.58 | hno | and so is the boot device used (i.e. MMC0 in most cases) |
| 22:48.51 | Turl | so you get an idea of the kind of project this aims to be |
| 22:49.38 | Triffid_Hunter | Turl: if you're just looking at using a UART, get an arduino |
| 22:50.25 | Turl | they suggested RE of a professor-provided binary; attacking a buffer overflow on a provided application; making a x86 boot sector that prints the partition layout of the disk on screen, making a mini x86 asembler, extending "pilot" compiler to output mips code |
| 22:52.14 | Triffid_Hunter | Turl: if you're doing lots of x86, may want to consider using an x86. ps: virtualisation will be very useful |
| 22:52.58 | Turl | Triffid_Hunter: I don't really like x86 assembler (does anyone? :P) |
| 22:54.16 | Triffid_Hunter | Turl: last time I checked, the A10 datasheet floating around was leaked rather than released so AllWinner are not exactly gonna be helpful if you have questions about what's in it |
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| 23:00.54 | Triffid_Hunter | Turl: I'm not trying to discourage you from playing with bare metal ARM stuff, just pointing out that it may not be the best venue in which to learn |
| 23:03.41 | Turl | :) |
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| 23:14.12 | focus_it | mnemonic: present http://www.gplsquared.com/nanda/nanda_mk802_ddr3_1GB.tar.gz |
| 23:16.22 | focus_it | mnemoc: present http://www.gplsquared.com/nanda/nanda_mk802_ddr3_1GB.tar.gz |
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| 23:32.51 | vgrade | es2gears at 150fps, es2_info reporting mali renderer |
| 23:33.14 | libv | nice |
| 23:34.32 | vgrade | one step forward |
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