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| 00:06.39 | L84Supper | libv, so you figure one more week before the open drivers are done? :) |
| 00:06.42 | L84Supper | Samsung Exynos 5 Dual Core Cortex A15 Processor @ 1.7 GHz with Mali T-604 GPU |
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| 00:08.06 | L84Supper | the new chromebook explains the reluctance of Samsung to sell it's ARM soc's for competitive projects |
| 00:08.31 | Necrosporus | Which ARM netbook would be better to take? I have one on wm8650, but didn't manage to get it under GNU/Linux yet |
| 00:08.49 | Necrosporus | I'm thinking about Samsung one, but maybe there are other good choices? |
| 00:09.16 | Necrosporus | The purpose is to get GNU/Linux running |
| 00:10.05 | lerc | If I can get a Arm Linux with working OpenCL I'd be real happy. |
| 00:10.10 | Necrosporus | Or maybe MIPS one would be good too |
| 00:10.25 | lerc | Support will be some time after the hardware though. |
| 00:11.09 | WarheadsSE | I'd take the exynos over a wm-anything any day. |
| 00:12.23 | WarheadsSE | I've not seem a MIPS laptop yet.. |
| 00:13.13 | lerc | They exist. I've not physically seen one though. |
| 00:13.23 | Necrosporus | Yes, wm is not quite good, but there are rockchip and allwinner |
| 00:15.24 | rz2k | lerc: WarheadsSE: lemote yeelong |
| 00:15.31 | rz2k | they even have public git |
| 00:16.05 | lerc | What sort of GPU? |
| 00:16.54 | rz2k | no idea |
| 00:17.12 | rz2k | http://www.lemote.com/en/products/Notebook/2010/0310/112.html |
| 00:17.27 | lundman | fat angus? |
| 00:18.16 | lerc | I have a non-fat Agnus in a cupboard here somewhere. |
| 00:22.14 | Necrosporus | http://www.lemote.com/products/computer/yilong/312.html |
| 00:22.24 | Necrosporus | This one is newer, quad-core mips |
| 00:23.38 | libv | Necrosporus: rs780? |
| 00:23.58 | libv | there goes the RMS stamp of approval, or should go at least |
| 00:24.21 | libv | atombios based modesetting :) |
| 00:27.35 | Necrosporus | libv, have RMS got such laptop already? |
| 00:28.19 | libv | i believe he was one of the silicon motion based ones |
| 00:29.49 | orly_owl | rms' laptop was stolen recently |
| 00:29.57 | orly_owl | he had a yeeloong |
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| 01:05.40 | Necrosporus | Stolen? |
| 01:05.43 | Necrosporus | How so? |
| 01:05.52 | orly_owl | his bag was stolen |
| 01:05.54 | Necrosporus | I hope he have had a backup |
| 01:05.59 | orly_owl | in latin america iirc |
| 01:06.33 | orly_owl | http://www.devthought.com/2012/06/09/richard-stallman-robbed-in-argentina/ |
| 01:07.07 | orly_owl | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/12/stallman_laptop_stolen/ |
| 01:12.42 | Necrosporus | I hope he have got a new one already |
| 01:14.03 | orly_owl | i think si |
| 01:14.05 | orly_owl | so |
| 01:14.09 | orly_owl | #fsf for that |
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| 01:55.57 | lundman | hmm vps shell in china sure is slow |
| 01:56.04 | lundman | surely their firewalls cant do ssh |
| 01:59.20 | Triffid_Hunter | lundman: maybe it's slow because they're trying anyway? |
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| 02:04.21 | Turl | why would you get a vps on china? :P |
| 02:07.11 | hno | lundman, did you verify the key? |
| 02:11.01 | lundman | turl: got accounts in most of asia, work thing, speed testing etc |
| 02:11.09 | lundman | hno: hmm key.. key.. what key would this be |
| 02:11.37 | lundman | ps3 key, it works alright |
| 02:12.13 | hno | lundman, the ssh host key. |
| 02:13.02 | lundman | oh yes, ssh key is fine |
| 02:30.55 | lundman | yes, .hk shell is considerably faster |
| 02:30.56 | lundman | amusing |
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| 03:25.38 | Turl | lundman: hk is out of the firewall isn't it? |
| 03:26.44 | lundman | ye |
| 03:27.09 | lundman | might as well nmap cia a few times, just to keep up with expectations |
| 03:32.15 | Turl | https://training.linuxfoundation.org/linux-tutorials/how-to-build-character-drivers-for-the-linux-kernel |
| 05:06.52 | lundman | i wrote one like that |
| 05:07.53 | lundman | study it, and you can help me work out why my zfs crypto panics :) |
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| 06:04.31 | pucko | sometimes I see "/dev/nandX" (where X is a-z) and other times "/dev/mtd/mtdN" (where N is 0-9).. what is the difference? |
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| 06:25.57 | lundman | nand is allwinners own "mtd" device |
| 06:26.34 | lundman | and the X is just the partition that it has been carved into |
| 06:26.43 | lundman | which is the same as N in mtd |
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| 06:49.07 | rellla | i can confirm, that the new armhf-cedars seem to work. without A10HWR=1 -> 14fps, with enabled stable 24fps. bogomips ~ 333, cpu ~ 50%. |
| 06:49.08 | rellla | not all formats/ encoding profiles might work that smooth yet. |
| 06:49.08 | rellla | tested on debian/unstable-armhf with latest stage/sunxi-3.0(without luc's commits), r3p0(armhf/fb)-mali-libs from github/linux-sunxi and new cedarx-armhf. just for your info ;-) |
| 06:49.37 | rellla | mnemoc: and new sata-fix works for my rev-b, too. |
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| 06:57.21 | hno | rellla, great! On both cedarx and sata! |
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| 07:54.39 | mnemoc | rellla: thanks :) |
| 07:57.03 | rz2k | probably time to make first linux-sunxi rootfs image based on something |
| 07:57.16 | rz2k | with xbmc, mali and cedar. |
| 07:59.04 | oliv3r | yeah, that'd be awesome :) |
| 08:01.08 | mnemoc | rellla: did you see any performance impact in using armhf/cedarx ? |
| 08:01.24 | mnemoc | rellla: compared to the armel flavour |
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| 08:02.24 | Maqs | i'll try that here in a minute, i have an armel chroot with xbmc and armhf with xbmc i just have to configure it and reboot, as for some reason plugging out my usb sound device "killed" usb |
| 08:02.44 | Maqs | and by killed i mean "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000004" |
| 08:02.52 | mnemoc | :< |
| 08:03.26 | Maqs | wifi still works, everything new i plug in is ignored :) |
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| 08:12.53 | Maqs | armhf looks fine.. between 30 and 38 fps, 1080p playback |
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| 08:13.29 | Gumboot | Has language evolved out from under me again? What's microcode? |
| 08:13.54 | phh | cpu's firmware usually |
| 08:14.10 | Gumboot | Is there a more liberal interpretation? |
| 08:14.18 | Maqs | with 912 mhz |
| 08:14.39 | Maqs | and around 75% cpu usage |
| 08:14.41 | orly_owl | Gumboot: a small blob of code loaded onto a chip by software |
| 08:14.55 | orly_owl | as part of initialisation |
| 08:15.04 | Gumboot | In no way distinct from firmware, then? |
| 08:15.11 | oliv3r | it basically IS firmware |
| 08:15.20 | oliv3r | intel and AMD cpu's have microcode too |
| 08:15.23 | phh | firmware can be on an eeprom |
| 08:15.41 | orly_owl | yes, it is firmware really |
| 08:15.49 | Gumboot | I mean, I tried wikipedia to see how things had changed, but that still seemed pretty specific. |
| 08:15.51 | oliv3r | I wouldn't be supprised that microcode in said CPU's is volatile |
| 08:15.51 | Maqs | btw, is there a way to make dlna playback more fluent in xbmc? it stutters.. |
| 08:16.01 | orly_owl | but firmware often stays on a device |
| 08:16.08 | oliv3r | and the bios supplies the CPU with current microcode |
| 08:16.25 | Gumboot | Why would the bios itself not be microcode? |
| 08:16.46 | orly_owl | because it isnt loaded by software during boot/initialisation |
| 08:16.52 | oliv3r | the bios is 'firmware' :) |
| 08:16.58 | orly_owl | it stays on a flash chip |
| 08:17.04 | mnemoc | microcode is used for smaller pieces of firmware :p |
| 08:17.14 | orly_owl | aye |
| 08:17.15 | oliv3r | but the firmware (bios) also contains a little blob (microcode) that gets uploaded into the CPU |
| 08:17.18 | Gumboot | It never used to. It used to be a performance optimisation to copy BIOS code into RAM where it would be faster. |
| 08:17.26 | Maqs | btw, is there a way to get rid of the blinking cursor? i don't know why it's still there in XBMC :D |
| 08:17.26 | Gumboot | Even these days I think it's decompressed into RAM. |
| 08:17.36 | oliv3r | that's different use of the word microcode i guess |
| 08:17.51 | oliv3r | generally speaking, microcode refers to the volatile 'firmware' in the CPU |
| 08:17.53 | Gumboot | So the BIOS _is_ microcode, then? |
| 08:18.00 | oliv3r | which the bios uploads there. the CPU works perfectly fine without the microcode |
| 08:18.24 | oliv3r | think of microcode as a 'patch' to the firmware of the CPU |
| 08:18.30 | oliv3r | it is there so small bugs can be fixed in the CPU |
| 08:18.50 | Gumboot | So the _size_ of the code determines whether it's firmware or microcode? |
| 08:19.09 | mnemoc | and the volatility |
| 08:19.21 | oliv3r | firmware is non-volatile; micccrocode is volatile |
| 08:19.37 | Gumboot | Historically a lot of "firmware" has been held within kernel drivers and uploaded at boot time. |
| 08:19.40 | Gumboot | That's all microcode? |
| 08:19.53 | mnemoc | yes |
| 08:20.04 | oliv3r | by that definition however, device firmware, that lives on a harddisk |
| 08:20.04 | Gumboot | And, of course, the BIOS itself being decompressed or just copied into RAM makes its executable image volatile. |
| 08:20.23 | Gumboot | And even microcode must _come_ from somewhere non-volatile or it wouldn't be accessible at start-up. |
| 08:20.30 | mnemoc | but you don't need to push it from userspace :) |
| 08:21.15 | mnemoc | still a very weak distinction |
| 08:21.27 | Gumboot | It sounds like another redundant word, now. |
| 08:21.52 | mnemoc | microcode (as /lib/firmware) is pushed from userspace, every time |
| 08:22.03 | mnemoc | and tends to be smallish |
| 08:22.21 | Gumboot | Wikipedia seems to treat it as fairly specialised, still. |
| 08:22.33 | oliv3r | actually, the only microcode i know, is the 'blob' that gets loaded into the CPU |
| 08:22.38 | oliv3r | everything else is called firmware |
| 08:23.03 | oliv3r | to make it more confusing, firmware is being executed by the CPU on the device it is being uploaded too :) |
| 08:23.15 | oliv3r | maybe that's the difference? Firmware is the 'OS' FOR the CPU |
| 08:23.17 | Gumboot | Well, except for the bit where they say that some people use them interchangeably; but it seems to be a fairly sharp switch at that point. |
| 08:23.27 | oliv3r | while microcode is firmware that the CPU requires to function? |
| 08:24.04 | mnemoc | the idea of microcode as runtime firmware patches sounds better |
| 08:24.14 | oliv3r | i guess one could think of microcode of the binary data required to program an FPGA, whereas firmware is as said the 'program' the cpu executes |
| 08:24.48 | oliv3r | maybe it's just a basterdization of words that has stuck around since the early days? |
| 08:25.27 | oliv3r | cubieboard is gonna reach 50k i'm sure |
| 08:25.37 | oliv3r | it's almost halfway, with only 2 days done |
| 08:25.41 | jelly-home | orly |
| 08:25.58 | mnemoc | oliv3r: and the 4k of the notify me list haven't been notified yet |
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| 08:26.49 | oliv3r | wb |
| 08:27.19 | Gumboot | I'm on that list! Why haven't I been notified? |
| 08:27.35 | Gumboot | I demand answers. And notifications. |
| 08:27.56 | orly_owl | heh |
| 08:28.01 | jelly-home | Gumboot: tegra tegra tegra |
| 08:28.03 | oliv3r | pay me 70 USD and you will be heard! |
| 08:28.06 | jelly-home | scares Gumboot |
| 08:28.21 | mnemoc | Gumboot: tom said he will send mails today. was waiting for paypal's verification... but that might take too long |
| 08:28.33 | orly_owl | do we like cubieboard? |
| 08:28.35 | oliv3r | so still no paypal? |
| 08:28.39 | oliv3r | we love cubeboard |
| 08:28.50 | mnemoc | Gumboot: big problem is how to send those 4k mails without been blocked by google apps |
| 08:29.02 | orly_owl | i see |
| 08:29.09 | mnemoc | oliv3r: right, still no response from paypal |
| 08:29.39 | hno | CPU "microcode" as seen by mortals is patches to the firmware embedded in the CPU, written in CPU generation specific microcode instructions. |
| 08:29.40 | oliv3r | mnemoc: i wonder what happens if he'd relay those mails via my mailserver :) |
| 08:30.00 | hno | Details of the microcode is only known by the CPU manufacturer. |
| 08:30.39 | mnemoc | oliv3r: mail him and suggest it |
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| 08:30.47 | oliv3r | hno: how's that different from firmware that is only known by the device manufacturer? |
| 08:31.01 | mnemoc | oliv3r: i doubt @cubieboard.org has dkim or similar |
| 08:31.02 | hno | Device firmware is generally program code running on some embedded CPU, usually MIPS or ARM. |
| 08:31.13 | oliv3r | i'll mail him |
| 08:31.32 | mnemoc | hno: or avr, or... :) |
| 08:31.41 | Gumboot | Was thinking about sending some cubieboards to people, but then I realised anyone in the UK would find them a bit of a white elephant because the courier ransom would cost almost as much as the board. |
| 08:32.17 | mnemoc | Gumboot: they have a 10x pack with case and uart over dhl for 700 |
| 08:32.31 | Gumboot | hno: Microcode is firmware written for an undocumented architecture? |
| 08:32.52 | mnemoc | Gumboot: you can import that 10x and then redistribute |
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| 08:33.16 | Gumboot | Actually, DHL aren't dicks about the fees. |
| 08:33.22 | oliv3r | mnemoc: done |
| 08:33.24 | mnemoc | thanks to parcelforce the 10x should be cheaper and faster than 10 x 1 |
| 08:33.41 | hno | oliv3r, you can't write programs in microcode, not even the CPU manufacturer can. It's small very hardware dependent controls. |
| 08:33.50 | ZaEarl | Firmware executes on a processor. Microcode changes how the processor works. |
| 08:34.07 | mnemoc | still a weak definition... |
| 08:34.09 | oliv3r | ZaEarl: i think that's the best difinition we have so far :) |
| 08:34.13 | hno | Yes it's weak. |
| 08:34.26 | ZaEarl | there's always grey areas |
| 08:34.36 | oliv3r | though 'on a' should probably be 'by a' |
| 08:34.57 | hno | Not all firmware executes on a processor. Some are only data tables. |
| 08:35.02 | Gumboot | Unless you're one of these hardware vendors who uses the term as a synonym for firmware. |
| 08:35.17 | oliv3r | but one can always think of microcode then as being the CPU's OS :p and it still is executed by the 'cpu' :D |
| 08:36.31 | hno | oliv3r, yes, an OS where almost everything hardwired in the silicon (not even ROM) with some very limited room for patching. |
| 08:36.52 | oliv3r | which in turn, makes it called firmware again :p |
| 08:37.02 | oliv3r | but ZaEarl's naming was the best so far I guess |
| 08:37.35 | Gumboot | What about microcode being uploaded to something which isn't a CPU? |
| 08:37.56 | hno | Gumboot, that question do not compute. |
| 08:38.01 | oliv3r | i guess it's misslabeld firmware then |
| 08:38.14 | oliv3r | take the r-pi for example |
| 08:38.22 | hno | yes? |
| 08:38.50 | oliv3r | sorry, phone :p |
| 08:39.10 | Gumboot | OK, _phone_ the r-pi...? |
| 08:39.20 | oliv3r | sorry, I had a phonecall :p |
| 08:40.17 | hno | wikipedia have an quite in-depth article explaining what microcode is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcode |
| 08:41.11 | oliv3r | but the rpi, one could call it microcode, you 'patch' it to make the entire thing even work, yet its still firmware! |
| 08:42.38 | Maqs | let's just call it microware or firmcode.. :p |
| 08:43.09 | lundman | magic? |
| 08:43.16 | oliv3r | secret sauce |
| 08:44.11 | hno | ol1ver, the gpu fimware for R-Pi Is firmware. The GPU is a general purpose computing device with some hardware acceleration for common GPU operations, running it's own general purpose RTOS. |
| 08:45.12 | oliv3r | well gumboot did ask for soemthing that is NOT a cpu! |
| 08:45.22 | hno | you could join ranks with some hardware vendors and call it microcode if you like, but imho is a misrepresentation. |
| 08:45.37 | hno | ol1ver, The GPU is a CPU imho. |
| 08:45.42 | Maqs | anyone an idea what causes this? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11244516/usb-oops.txt it happens after i unplug my usb sound device (that is not even recognized from one of the usb ports (mk802). the other port works fine. also, it won't detect any device on that one port |
| 08:46.01 | oliv3r | what if their RTOS is contained in the firmware? you patch said rtos in the firmware, is it not microcode then? |
| 08:46.33 | hno | No. It does not change the operations of the CPU at instruction level. |
| 08:47.48 | oliv3r | true |
| 08:48.17 | oliv3r | ah, the firmware for said GPU, could contain microcode for the [CG]pu though :D |
| 08:48.59 | hno | unless ofcourse you abstract the GPU programming to the OpenGL ES level. In which case the firmware do become microcode in a sense. |
| 08:49.34 | Gumboot | Well there it is, then. |
| 08:49.44 | oliv3r | Gumboot: confused more now? |
| 08:50.04 | Gumboot | Because I mostly write application code, the kernel is abstract to me, and I can regard it as microcode. |
| 08:50.37 | oliv3r | microcode for a microkernel :D |
| 08:50.46 | Gumboot | That's no microkernel. |
| 08:50.48 | hno | Not really. You do not feed the kernel with instructions. |
| 08:51.13 | oliv3r | lundman: do you post on the xbmc a10 thread too? |
| 08:51.28 | Gumboot | Historically I've always subscribed to the way hno puts it, but it's becoming so common to call any old crap microcode, now, I was wondering if the word was just redundant, now. |
| 08:51.32 | oliv3r | Gumboot: depends on what kernel you use! you haven't stated so ;) |
| 08:52.23 | oliv3r | Gumboot: i think to sumarize, no, microcode is a patch that changes a cpu (upto it's instructional level) whereas firmware is code the CPU executes |
| 08:52.39 | Gumboot | oliv3r: Unless you're in marketing. |
| 08:52.45 | Gumboot | Or IBM. |
| 08:52.46 | oliv3r | Gumboot: lol |
| 08:52.49 | lundman | sure |
| 08:52.52 | hno | Gumboot, there is many more levels of computing these days than what we have seen before. |
| 08:53.14 | oliv3r | lundman: ah then xbmc lundman is you :) |
| 08:53.21 | lundman | you bet |
| 08:53.30 | lundman | are you sqaying there are mor ethan one lundman?! |
| 08:53.45 | oliv3r | possibly! |
| 08:56.06 | lundman | wha.! |
| 08:56.29 | lundman | so we compiled ne wxbmc with new libs and uploaded bin to me? |
| 09:00.16 | mnemoc | Maqs: 3.0 or 3.4? |
| 09:02.53 | oliv3r | lundman: will mele a1000 live to your xbmc requuirement with the latest developments? |
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| 09:05.27 | lundman | i need JB, if it can only do 2ch audio, thats not ok |
| 09:05.29 | oliv3r | lundman: (yes i'm backreading about 12 pages) |
| 09:05.38 | lundman | Turl gave some weak assistance there :) |
| 09:05.40 | oliv3r | ah, so you want the android xbmc version |
| 09:06.03 | lundman | well, it is my hope that Google store will be better filled with tv and movies for rental/purchase in future |
| 09:06.11 | lundman | so, android with xbmc would be the way forwards |
| 09:06.22 | oliv3r | ah, I see |
| 09:06.26 | lundman | but a mediaplayer needs to do 5.1 at least, DTS HD etc for nice |
| 09:07.03 | orly_owl | says you |
| 09:07.16 | lundman | not sure what you are arguing |
| 09:07.20 | lundman | he asked my opinion, I gave it |
| 09:07.27 | orly_owl | k |
| 09:07.39 | lundman | *I* think a mediaplayer needs to do 1080p, and more than stereo |
| 09:07.51 | lundman | if you are happy with less, then just watch your tv on a laptop |
| 09:08.07 | orly_owl | will do! |
| 09:08.14 | lundman | sure I understand you guys have shitty internet and all that ;) |
| 09:08.25 | orly_owl | hold on |
| 09:08.33 | lundman | you stab, I stab! |
| 09:08.34 | orly_owl | turns monitor upside down |
| 09:08.36 | orly_owl | ah |
| 09:08.40 | orly_owl | yes, we do |
| 09:09.14 | lundman | hmm france is half ok, but you do have some cooky new laws |
| 09:09.35 | lundman | but hell, so do we now :( |
| 09:10.00 | orly_owl | where do you think i live >_> |
| 09:10.33 | lundman | your whois said france, I assumed you were skilled enough to pick an ircd close to you :) |
| 09:11.23 | orly_owl | skilled, yes. not lazy? no |
| 09:11.34 | lundman | yeah nothing beat lazy |
| 09:11.39 | orly_owl | ^^ |
| 09:11.41 | oliv3r | we love lazy :) |
| 09:11.57 | orly_owl | ive given you a clue, you work out where i live :3 |
| 09:12.15 | lundman | upside down, australia! |
| 09:12.24 | orly_owl | \o/ |
| 09:12.27 | oliv3r | lol |
| 09:12.34 | lundman | I lived in NZ for 7 years :) |
| 09:12.41 | oliv3r | NL > all |
| 09:13.01 | lundman | oh I've been to NL, smokers bus from london |
| 09:13.11 | orly_owl | smokers bus? |
| 09:13.19 | orly_owl | how fast is NL internet |
| 09:13.42 | lundman | bus drives from london to NL, spend 12 hours there then back |
| 09:13.48 | lundman | gives everyone a chance to "stock up" |
| 09:13.58 | orly_owl | oh |
| 09:14.03 | lundman | i have mates at xs4all, so nl is good |
| 09:14.16 | orly_owl | uk must have a massive ciggie tax then |
| 09:14.25 | orly_owl | *england |
| 09:14.26 | lundman | or weed is illegal |
| 09:14.30 | orly_owl | oh lol |
| 09:14.31 | orly_owl | k |
| 09:14.33 | orly_owl | xs4all? |
| 09:14.41 | lundman | i dont remember the return journey at all! |
| 09:14.45 | orly_owl | lollllll |
| 09:14.51 | lundman | xs4all.nl? a very large isp in NL |
| 09:14.58 | orly_owl | ah |
| 09:15.21 | orly_owl | sounds like excess for all |
| 09:15.39 | mnemoc | defining .nl? |
| 09:16.47 | lundman | netherlands |
| 09:16.57 | lundman | :) |
| 09:17.05 | oliv3r | i have 100MiB fiber sync; my provider is rolling out 500/1000MiB in certain area's of eindhoven |
| 09:17.17 | lundman | i have 100M dfiber, no limits no caps |
| 09:17.21 | oliv3r | eventually i should get that too, do not know when though :) |
| 09:17.22 | lundman | but yeah, I should upgrade |
| 09:17.26 | lundman | $35/months |
| 09:17.36 | mysteryname | .. That interent is so cheap =/ |
| 09:18.21 | orly_owl | where do you people live ;_; |
| 09:18.28 | oliv3r | xs4all is not a very large ISP, it was one of the first-ish ISP's that was 'awesome' it also started out by a group of hackers |
| 09:18.32 | orly_owl | even nbn plans have caps here |
| 09:18.35 | mysteryname | $70AUD/mo 30/1 mibit 300G a month. |
| 09:18.38 | oliv3r | they still run lots of bsd/linux servers and are actually knowledgable |
| 09:18.39 | orly_owl | woo hackers! |
| 09:18.40 | lundman | <-japan |
| 09:18.50 | mysteryname | oooh japan, that makes sense. |
| 09:18.58 | oliv3r | my 100MiB/s is 40E/month |
| 09:19.10 | oliv3r | gbit is supposed to be 99E/month |
| 09:19.20 | mnemoc | my 20MiB/S in 40E/month..... .es |
| 09:19.21 | mnemoc | is* |
| 09:19.25 | orly_owl | id pay 99 |
| 09:20.22 | oliv3r | hell yeah :) |
| 09:20.34 | orly_owl | http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/19/tpgs-69-99-unlimited-plan-shows-the-nbn-future/ |
| 09:20.41 | Maqs | i can't even get more than 2MiB/s :-( |
| 09:21.04 | orly_owl | 70aud a month for 12mb/s |
| 09:21.32 | Maqs | mnemoc: 3.0 |
| 09:21.40 | Gumboot | Who makes up these cubieboard 'perks'? Is a bulk-discount-on-bare-bones perk possible, or is that cutting into a margin that doesn't have room for it? |
| 09:21.58 | oliv3r | yeah, the first 5 perks seem reasonable; the other ones are ill described |
| 09:22.40 | Gumboot | Well, I'm not critical. If you had academic use in mind you'd want those boxes. |
| 09:22.41 | mnemoc | Gumboot: the first boards were sold under cost |
| 09:22.45 | Gumboot | But I don't. |
| 09:23.03 | mnemoc | the others are normal price. $49 + shipping |
| 09:23.10 | Gumboot | Actually, I'm highly critical. What I meant to say was "I'm not criticising". |
| 09:23.29 | rellla | mnemoc: i'm telling myself, that armhf is quite more performant ;-) but have no significant benchmarks. i have the same system on a armel sd-card with cedarx, old sunxi-3.0 and mali-libs-r2p4 and can deliver some values, if wanted. how should i proceed, what benchmarks are useful? |
| 09:24.37 | oliv3r | rellla: what are you using to benchmark? |
| 09:24.38 | mnemoc | rellla: don't know... i'm happy with the confirmation that is feels "quite more performant" :) |
| 09:24.40 | Gumboot | mnemoc: It's not immediately clear to me how I amortise the shipping across several units without buying the plastics. |
| 09:25.13 | mnemoc | Gumboot: mail tom about a not-rich 10x, just boards and dhl |
| 09:25.17 | rellla | oliv3r: don't know, i haven't done yet. what should i use? |
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| 09:25.32 | oliv3r | the big buck bunny of course :) i'll find you a link |
| 09:25.58 | oliv3r | http://samplemedia.linaro.org/ |
| 09:26.04 | oliv3r | i think most benches are done with that |
| 09:26.09 | oliv3r | those files* |
| 09:26.13 | mnemoc | Gumboot: but the case and uart are very low cost and mostly don't affect shipping price, so probably it won't be much lower than the $700 |
| 09:26.41 | rellla | oliv3r: i played the to files given in the xbmc-mali400-thread and had the same issue as mentioned. on plays fine, one stutters.... |
| 09:26.41 | oliv3r | rellla: using those to bench, you can compare your system to others that used also those files |
| 09:27.02 | cat_x301 | oliv3r: i pay 19€/month for 4G connection and my best result was http://speedtest.net/result/2208940981.png. Can you try speedtest.net just to compare? |
| 09:27.31 | rellla | oliv3r: and where do i get useful values? fps? bogomips? |
| 09:27.34 | Gumboot | mnemoc: Well, at a unit price of $49, I would expect to start at $490 and add shipping to that. I see a lot of room... |
| 09:27.48 | mnemoc | Gumboot: true :) |
| 09:28.08 | mnemoc | Gumboot: send him an email |
| 09:28.32 | mnemoc | to hipboi cubieboard org |
| 09:29.11 | Gumboot | There's a hipboi right here! |
| 09:29.38 | mnemoc | mail is probably better |
| 09:34.10 | Maqs | mnemoc: any idea what could cause the usb problem? |
| 09:36.36 | Maqs | even after a reboot devices on that usb port are not found |
| 09:36.58 | Maqs | surprisingly, unplugging the sound device causes that oops, although it is never detected |
| 09:39.44 | oliv3r | short circuit? |
| 09:39.52 | oliv3r | over current protection kicking in? |
| 09:40.49 | Maqs | rather unlikely, as all the devices work on the other port |
| 09:41.16 | Maqs | and the mk802 is closed, so i cannot imagine how a short circuit could be possible |
| 09:43.18 | mnemoc | Maqs: haven't looked at the related code yet, but it's clearly a driver bug |
| 09:44.19 | Maqs | ok, thanks. i'll check again with 3.0.26 later, it worked the last time |
| 09:44.41 | oliv3r | which SoC has the biggest community right now you'd say? (of the cheap media playe rkind ones) I would say linux-sunxi with a10 seems by far the biggest? |
| 09:44.58 | lundman | r^pi |
| 09:45.05 | Maqs | rpi, yes |
| 09:45.06 | lundman | but it'll never work :) |
| 09:45.16 | oliv3r | Maqs: my dad once had chewinggum 'foil' stuck in the USB connector |
| 09:45.27 | oliv3r | (on an usb stick from his pants pocket) |
| 09:45.38 | oliv3r | burned out the USB stick and disabled all usb ports until you rebooted :) |
| 09:45.38 | Maqs | :-) |
| 09:45.49 | oliv3r | but maybe the audio stick draws too much power? |
| 09:46.07 | mnemoc | Maqs: if it used to work, can you try b9b33cef810cbcf68dd198e85ecb31f455a0ede5 ? before the usb driver unification |
| 09:46.12 | Maqs | my usb mouse doesn't work with that port as well |
| 09:46.20 | oliv3r | rpi will remain closed however :p so what is the SECOND biggest community (of hackers working on kernel code etc) |
| 09:46.30 | oliv3r | mice draw some power too |
| 09:46.34 | Maqs | mnemoc: ok, but later, i gotta go now. i'll be back in 3-4 hours |
| 09:46.43 | Maqs | ol1ver: it works on the other port. |
| 09:46.44 | mnemoc | Maqs: cu |
| 09:46.48 | Maqs | everything works on the other port ;) |
| 09:46.52 | oliv3r | Maqs: never mind then :) |
| 09:46.53 | Maqs | cu later |
| 09:46.57 | oliv3r | broken port! |
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| 09:53.16 | Maqs | ok, i'm already back. fastest lunch appointment ever. |
| 09:53.34 | mnemoc | o.o |
| 09:54.08 | oliv3r | Sun6i, will that be a cortex-A15? if orgot |
| 09:54.10 | Maqs | her grandmother died last night. :-/ |
| 09:54.13 | mnemoc | Maqs: it might be script.bin related |
| 09:54.16 | mnemoc | oliv3r: a7 |
| 09:55.03 | mnemoc | got confirmed it's a quad a7 + 8x mali.... no idea if mali450 or 6xx |
| 09:55.19 | lundman | i think 6xx |
| 09:55.25 | lundman | $2 says its 650 |
| 09:55.48 | hipboi | not mali |
| 09:55.55 | mnemoc | o.o |
| 09:56.02 | mnemoc | damn eva |
| 09:56.26 | mnemoc | hipboi: that is very sad to hear |
| 09:57.11 | oliv3r | mnemoc: bummer. A15 is geting KVM support :^) |
| 09:57.25 | mnemoc | oliv3r: a7 is a15 on diet |
| 09:57.33 | oliv3r | mnemoc: linux-sunxi.org/sun6i updated with it? |
| 09:57.41 | phh | and diet only concerning performances |
| 09:57.49 | phh | not concerning instruction set or whatever |
| 09:57.50 | oliv3r | would still be need to run kvm on an A40 :) |
| 09:58.05 | oliv3r | mnemoc: do we know what the sun6i will be called? A40? A15? |
| 09:58.20 | mnemoc | oliv3r: she called it "the quad" :p |
| 09:58.26 | oliv3r | ah, so the news posting on phoronix about a15 being kvm-ized is being crap |
| 09:58.31 | oliv3r | so still no new info |
| 09:58.46 | mnemoc | nope, nothing interesting for the wiki yet |
| 09:59.04 | mnemoc | and after hipboi's comment, not sure what to trust at all |
| 09:59.22 | mnemoc | all is marketing lies :< |
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| 10:08.32 | oliv3r | what was hipboi's comment? |
| 10:08.40 | oliv3r | and yes. marketing always lies |
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| 10:09.01 | hipboi | yes, to misleading the competiors |
| 10:09.22 | Maqs | another script.bin (j1nx.nl armhf beta) does not work as well |
| 10:09.26 | mnemoc | oliv3r: 11:47:46 < hipboi> not mali |
| 10:09.33 | hipboi | Allwinner's target is Mediatech |
| 10:09.53 | Maqs | my current one is from http://blog.dryft.net/ armhf |
| 10:10.05 | mnemoc | hipboi: i thought it was rockchip or amlogic... interesting |
| 10:10.43 | oliv3r | oh hey hipboi :) |
| 10:10.45 | mnemoc | Maqs: test the pre-unification hash first please |
| 10:11.01 | oliv3r | hipboi: i've send you e-mail with regards to emailing the indiegogo folks |
| 10:11.37 | Maqs | mnemoc: i already tried 3.0.36, doesn't seem to work there |
| 10:11.38 | mnemoc | oliv3r: s/indiegogo/notify me/ |
| 10:11.52 | mnemoc | Maqs: ouch, and older did? |
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| 10:12.50 | oliv3r | when will allwinner release a press-release about their new chip? weeks? months? |
| 10:13.04 | mnemoc | oliv3r: still secret |
| 10:13.18 | oliv3r | months then p |
| 10:15.43 | Maqs | lsusb takes 2.5 seconds and does not list anything plugged in that port |
| 10:16.06 | Maqs | but i get an oops every time i pull the usb plug |
| 10:16.15 | mnemoc | review the corresponding section in the script.bin |
| 10:16.22 | Maqs | (after booting) |
| 10:16.23 | mnemoc | and compare to the one of the other port |
| 10:16.39 | mnemoc | it must be there |
| 10:16.53 | Maqs | there are three ports |
| 10:17.06 | mnemoc | the other host port. not otg |
| 10:17.11 | mnemoc | unless it's a hub... |
| 10:17.39 | Maqs | usbc0 is type 2, usbc1 and usbc2 are type 1 |
| 10:18.03 | mnemoc | otg, host, host |
| 10:18.28 | mnemoc | so your problem is with usbc0? |
| 10:20.14 | Maqs | linux tells me "USB hub found" for hub 1-0:1.0, hub 2-0:1.0 and hub 3-0:1.0 and again for hub 3-0:1.0 |
| 10:21.55 | Maqs | wlan is bus 3, device 2 |
| 10:22.11 | Maqs | the working port is bus 2 |
| 10:22.50 | Maqs | oh, even three times for 3-0:1.0 |
| 10:22.58 | Maqs | and again for 4-0:1.0 |
| 10:33.07 | rellla | a little armhf-xbmc-bechmark: 1920*1080 bigbuckbunny (MPEG2, MPEG4, AVC, VC1, VP8) play smooth at 23-25fps, bogomips around 333,96-429,37, cpu~65%. |
| 10:33.09 | rellla | while playing the avi I have artefacts, seeking forward results mostly in a xbmc-crash. audio not tested, i have no cinch-cable here. |
| 10:33.11 | Maqs | i guess it's really a problem with one of the ports |
| 10:33.38 | Maqs | rellla: what governor/cpu speed? |
| 10:33.53 | oliv3r | well avi should only be a container, right? so something in the container usage going wrong? or am I off here :) |
| 10:34.12 | rellla | Maqs: how do i see that? |
| 10:34.51 | oliv3r | hipboi left :S i'll just mail him the conversation :) |
| 10:37.21 | Maqs | rellla: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
| 10:37.36 | Maqs | and cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 10:37.58 | oliv3r | scaling_available_freq is also intereting :D |
| 10:40.42 | rellla | while playing h264: cur_freq: 336000 |
| 10:41.15 | rellla | scaling_gouvernor: ondemand |
| 10:41.42 | Maqs | ok |
| 10:41.44 | Maqs | nice |
| 10:41.54 | rellla | ./scaling_gouvernor/scaling_governor/ |
| 10:42.02 | rellla | sh*** |
| 10:42.39 | mnemoc | rellla: and it's decoding 1080p shoothly at that freq? |
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| 10:45.51 | rellla | mnemoc: yes, video is fine at ~25fps, audio/sync not tested |
| 10:46.00 | mnemoc | NICE |
| 10:46.21 | rellla | while surfing through without playback, freq raises to ~ 720000-1008000 |
| 10:46.28 | rellla | through menus |
| 10:47.04 | Maqs | and menus while playback? that's the end of smooth playback here.. |
| 10:47.19 | rellla | one mom |
| 10:47.55 | mnemoc | maybe xmbc switches to cpu-based rendering when mixing both? |
| 10:48.12 | mnemoc | s/rendering/decoding/ |
| 10:48.14 | Maqs | dunno.. where's empat0 when you need him? :-) |
| 10:48.15 | oliv3r | that would be lame :S should be done via an overlay relaly |
| 10:49.18 | rellla | playback is fine, bogomips at 1001.88, freq at 1008000 - stuttering when switching the screens, but then stable |
| 10:49.23 | oliv3r | well I guess, if libcedarX always renders directly to the output buffer, then an overlay might not be possible :) |
| 10:49.49 | oliv3r | so xbmc UI + video playback is jus tslightly too much for the A10 |
| 10:50.12 | oliv3r | rella chance the cpugovenor to performance and see if that makes it smooth? |
| 10:50.42 | Maqs | mnemoc: i think i killed the port somehow. worked some time ago with the image on the other uSD card, but does not work any more |
| 10:51.08 | rellla | cat "performance" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ? |
| 10:51.18 | oliv3r | echo <quote>performance<quote> > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 10:51.23 | oliv3r | lol yeah |
| 10:51.25 | mnemoc | Maqs: :( |
| 10:51.33 | oliv3r | you can change it back to ondemand afterwards of course :) |
| 10:51.41 | rellla | surely echo *gr* |
| 10:51.59 | oliv3r | performance scaling should force to always use Max freq. |
| 10:52.13 | oliv3r | can be done runtime during any test |
| 10:52.52 | Maqs | it's possible to overclock it, but i don't know how the hardware will take this, especially for mk802, as there is no cooling at all in a plastic case with only a few holes |
| 10:53.29 | oliv3r | id glue a heatsink probably if i had a a1000 |
| 10:53.40 | oliv3r | i think you can safely run it around 1.1 - 1.2GHz |
| 10:54.28 | Maqs | i have those little gpu ram heatsinks here, but they are smaller than the a10 :-) |
| 10:54.45 | oliv3r | doesnt matter, any heatsink is better then no heatsink, if heat is an issue |
| 10:55.01 | oliv3r | all a heatsink does is increase the size of the thermal surface |
| 10:55.16 | oliv3r | at the cost of contact resistance between heatsink/package |
| 10:55.31 | libv | 8x mali sounds like a 450 |
| 10:55.43 | libv | 8x is just the number of fragment shaders |
| 10:56.52 | rellla | oliv3r: cpu usage ~ 20-25% ;-) freq stable at 1008000 while only displaying video, but still stuttering when switching gui-screens and cpu usage raises up to ~95%! |
| 10:57.08 | Maqs | i just don't know whether i'll be able to remove it once it's glued :-) i might get a bigger heatsink soon |
| 10:58.33 | andoma | anyone know if there is some effort to fix the fickering when doing alpha blending with the video mixer in 1080p modes? |
| 10:58.56 | andoma | i guess not, but it's a bit hard to try to figure out what's wrong when there is virtually no documentation of the hw around |
| 11:02.40 | jinzo | Maqs, glued? why would you do that? |
| 11:03.00 | jinzo | andoma, you are aware of the manual (won't help you a bit probably but still) that was leaked? |
| 11:03.12 | Maqs | the heat sink? O.o |
| 11:03.36 | jinzo | Maqs, yes. Just use the thermal paste |
| 11:03.39 | Maqs | it will just fall off otherwise ;) |
| 11:03.58 | jinzo | and if needed attach it to something else. Gluing it on the chip is not a good idea. |
| 11:04.02 | andoma | jinzo: i've taked a look in it but afaict the video mixer register reference there does not match the actual hardware |
| 11:04.10 | Maqs | and the heatsinks i have have a glue pad.. |
| 11:04.30 | jinzo | as I said, probably doesen't help you - just tought it's better to say than not. |
| 11:04.50 | jinzo | andoma, you porting showtime to A10? |
| 11:04.54 | andoma | jinzo: yes |
| 11:05.05 | andoma | it works quite nice in 720 |
| 11:05.17 | jinzo | great :) |
| 11:05.20 | andoma | yup |
| 11:05.42 | libv | andoma: is your showtime going to use the disp device directly? |
| 11:05.48 | andoma | libv: it does |
| 11:05.57 | libv | git tree is where? |
| 11:06.03 | andoma | nowhere just yet |
| 11:06.06 | libv | ok |
| 11:06.48 | libv | well, be aware that i will be restructuring everything in the back of disp, only a set of the ioctls that are in active use will be regularly checked for api/abi changes |
| 11:07.06 | libv | s/a set/the set/ |
| 11:07.07 | andoma | no worries i'll keep track of what happens :) |
| 11:08.03 | libv | andoma: once i am done with this stupid busywork i am doing (unification, beautification -- again), i will introduce a new ioctl for version control, so people in userspace can verify their compatibility with the kernel |
| 11:08.28 | andoma | nice |
| 11:08.31 | libv | but i will still do my utmost best to keep the existing api/abi, for as long as makes sense, and only for those bits which see active use |
| 11:08.45 | andoma | it would be sweet with some resourcetracking though perhaps that can be turned on via some ioctl |
| 11:08.59 | andoma | so when the program exit/crashes all layers etc that are created gets released |
| 11:09.15 | libv | heh, so you are seeing that behaviour right now? |
| 11:09.31 | libv | bloody chinese c++ kiddies :) |
| 11:09.37 | andoma | yeah the first thing showtime needs to do when starting is to delete all layers |
| 11:09.43 | libv | value &= (bit0 & bit1 & bit2); |
| 11:09.45 | lundman | heh apple puts up apology |
| 11:09.47 | andoma | in the very unlikely event that showtime should crash :) |
| 11:09.48 | libv | 'nuff said :) |
| 11:10.07 | andoma | libv: yeah |
| 11:10.16 | andoma | #define BIT1 0x00000001 |
| 11:10.18 | oliv3r | rella looks like the CPU is stressed out when changin the GUI menu |
| 11:10.19 | andoma | #define BIT2 0x00000002 |
| 11:10.23 | andoma | i like those as well |
| 11:10.31 | lundman | as long as you dont have |
| 11:10.35 | andoma | oh .. it was BIT0 0x00000001 |
| 11:10.36 | andoma | ofcourse |
| 11:10.38 | lundman | define BIT3 0x00000003 |
| 11:10.50 | andoma | heh |
| 11:11.17 | andoma | another project with chinese code i once saw had: #define TEN 10 |
| 11:11.24 | andoma | gotta love those things |
| 11:11.44 | mnemoc | libv: your patches that got into stage/sunxi-3.0 are also in stage/sunxi-3.4 now |
| 11:12.00 | libv | andoma: ah, i noticed "big litter" some place |
| 11:12.14 | libv | big little would be the correcter term for it :) |
| 11:12.33 | mnemoc | "big litter" is atom :p |
| 11:12.41 | andoma | :) |
| 11:12.56 | libv | mnemoc: hold off on techn_ his stuff, i am completely redoing stuff, as there was nothing else sensible |
| 11:13.30 | andoma | a CEC driver would be awesome as well |
| 11:13.39 | libv | cec for hdmi? |
| 11:13.43 | andoma | yeah |
| 11:13.48 | libv | has not played with hdmi much |
| 11:13.55 | mnemoc | libv: so the 4 commits at https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/commits/stage/sunxi-3.0 have to be removed? |
| 11:14.24 | libv | mnemoc: no, rebasing on top of that should be trivial |
| 11:14.26 | lundman | does a10 have cec? I started the cec port to cubox |
| 11:14.41 | libv | because there is nothing major or interesting in those commits |
| 11:14.43 | mnemoc | libv: cool :) |
| 11:14.46 | lundman | a;lthough I'm not sure I see the point with cec |
| 11:15.04 | RaYmAn | it's incredibly useful for e.g. xbmc. |
| 11:15.28 | RaYmAn | Being able to use your tv's remote to control xbmc over hdmi is kind of awesome :) |
| 11:15.31 | mnemoc | "single remote" |
| 11:15.37 | RaYmAn | indeed |
| 11:15.50 | libv | andoma: seems like these chinese kiddies also have issues with standard types. counters and return values are all either __s32 or __u32 |
| 11:15.51 | RaYmAn | technically speaking, i think the device is also able to control the tv |
| 11:16.18 | andoma | libv: yeah i know. it's a pain |
| 11:16.20 | libv | i haven't seen an int anywhere yet |
| 11:16.53 | jinzo | maybe they are hipsters and int is too mainstream? |
| 11:17.12 | libv | changing that is mindnumbing and painful, as actual useage needs to be verified all over the place |
| 11:17.18 | libv | jinzo: sure :p |
| 11:25.37 | Maqs | in case anyone has a use for this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11244516/tvheadend_3.3_armhf.deb and http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11244516/tvheadend-dbg_3.3_armhf.deb |
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| 11:31.16 | libv | want. to. die. |
| 11:31.23 | mnemoc | ? |
| 11:31.27 | libv | g_clk_status &= (CLK_HDMI_AHB_OFF & CLK_HDMI_MOD_OFF & CLK_HDMI_MOD_OFF); |
| 11:31.31 | mnemoc | :D |
| 11:32.00 | mnemoc | there are quite a fee &= FOO & FOO & FOO |
| 11:32.05 | rm | just double-checking that it's off! |
| 11:32.06 | rm | :D |
| 11:32.07 | mnemoc | few* |
| 11:32.25 | libv | how can you have _two_ glaring errors in such a simple line? |
| 11:32.59 | jelly-home | are those CLK_* like inverse masks? 0xffffefff? |
| 11:33.09 | libv | during my VIA days i sometimes proclaimed to be a racist |
| 11:33.14 | RaYmAn | It's like in the android world where some custom rom authors recommend wiping the cache 3 times, then wiping everything 3 times, then wiping dalvik cache (which is part of cache) 3 times =P |
| 11:33.20 | libv | that i was quite prejudiced against the taiwanese :) |
| 11:33.39 | libv | my racism is broadening :p |
| 11:33.53 | jelly-home | better confess -- you just hate people |
| 11:34.05 | RaYmAn | It's only racist if you only dislike crappy code that comes from that region :P |
| 11:34.12 | RaYmAn | I'm sure you just dislike all crappy code :P |
| 11:34.53 | libv | jelly-home: that's not true! and i now hate you for saying so :p |
| 11:35.45 | libv | the via hw did have grammar correction though, but i never bothered hooking it up to openoffice :p |
| 11:39.45 | oliv3r | what you really hate, is undeducated baboons who write shitty unreadable and thus hard to maintainable code; it just happens to be that those uneducated baboons often come from certain regions of the world, or so ti seems |
| 11:39.54 | oliv3r | trust me however, in our western world, we have the same baboons |
| 11:40.09 | oliv3r | those just dont do much OSS work and get hired to do some internal business app that hopes to net them lots of money |
| 11:40.15 | libv | true :) |
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| 11:40.39 | oliv3r | ill immediatly admit i often bash stereotypes like the next guy, because its human nature :) |
| 11:40.47 | oliv3r | us against them |
| 11:40.50 | oliv3r | with them being anything |
| 11:40.53 | mnemoc | just look at the baboons writting vb.net code... |
| 11:41.07 | oliv3r | mnemoc: even better point |
| 11:41.23 | oliv3r | i should have phrased it, here the uneducated baboons write vb.net code and crap like that, not real code |
| 11:41.51 | oliv3r | that said, with uneducated baboons, i absolutly mean Batchelor or even Master degreed Computer Science students |
| 11:42.02 | oliv3r | that have no idea how to write proper code :) |
| 11:42.28 | mnemoc | many "computer scientiest" don't have any idea about programming |
| 11:42.31 | ZaEarl | hey, at least you have a copy of the crappy code! |
| 11:42.44 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: indeed |
| 11:42.47 | oliv3r | crappy code may very much be better then no code and no docs :) |
| 11:43.47 | mnemoc | (information technologists are even worse) |
| 11:43.56 | ZaEarl | it's virtually impossible to get code from the various solutions companies. |
| 11:43.59 | Turl | the main issue with crappy code is that it's full of bugs, but it works |
| 11:44.07 | Turl | so you don't know if bugs make it work |
| 11:44.17 | Turl | and maybe fixing them breaks the code :P |
| 11:46.08 | mnemoc | you never know the hacks used to compensate that buggy &= (foo & bar) |
| 11:47.40 | oliv3r | so fix a bug left, introduce a bug right that was to work around crappy code left; yeah |
| 11:54.30 | mnemoc | any hint why, if kernel tells "Machine: sun4i" machine_is_sun4i() returns 0? |
| 11:57.09 | oliv3r | mnemoc: you dont have a sun4i? hur hur |
| 11:58.40 | Turl | mnemoc: CONFIG_MACH_SUN4I set? |
| 11:58.45 | mnemoc | of course |
| 11:58.59 | mnemoc | it's a normal sun4i build |
| 11:59.08 | mnemoc | but just realized machine_is_sun4i() hates us |
| 12:01.10 | Turl | mnemoc: my defconfigs don't have CONFIG_MACH_SUN4I for example |
| 12:02.05 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 12:02.20 | rellla | i'm looking for a sata-ssd fitting in my mele. ~16GB capacity for hosting rootfs/ (rootfs++). does every 1,8" or 2,5" fit? any recommendation? |
| 12:02.21 | rellla | does 2,5"-sata-hd work without external power adapter? 3.5" does not. |
| 12:02.46 | mnemoc | rellla: try to not pass the 1W mark |
| 12:03.02 | mnemoc | err, 0.5W actually |
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| 12:06.53 | Turl | mnemoc: try this http://sprunge.us/DDPK |
| 12:06.56 | Turl | that should do the trick |
| 12:07.29 | oliv3r | mnemoc: ok stupid question, but where is machine_is_sun located? I cant find it when I grep through the kernel source on sunxi-3.0 branch |
| 12:07.52 | Turl | oliv3r: they're automagic macros |
| 12:08.44 | Turl | they're mainly used to kill code when building http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/kernelnotes.php |
| 12:09.11 | mnemoc | oliv3r: generated/mach-types.h |
| 12:09.21 | mnemoc | used as asm/mach-types.h obviusly |
| 12:09.33 | Turl | if a specific machine is not selected, then the macro is 'hardcoded' to 0 and the compiler optimizes if blocks out |
| 12:09.53 | mnemoc | oh |
| 12:10.04 | mnemoc | missed the ARCH vs MACH diff |
| 12:11.25 | Turl | ARCH ("omap2") vs MACH (nokia thingy, omap xyz dev board) |
| 12:11.34 | Turl | they'll get more use when we get device trees :P |
| 12:11.38 | lundman | youwant MACH 3 at least, before you can scramjet |
| 12:12.30 | Turl | lundman: it's over 9000 |
| 12:13.36 | lundman | MACH 881742 would be speed oflight not sure what 9000 would be |
| 12:14.48 | oliv3r | _generated_ i see, then it wont show up in my tree :) |
| 12:15.24 | oliv3r | 9000 is a gaming reference |
| 12:15.25 | oliv3r | i think |
| 12:15.34 | lundman | The day I am serious is the day you read my gravestone! |
| 12:15.48 | oliv3r | i see |
| 12:16.51 | lundman | well, I can't help here, so I'll go play same games |
| 12:18.07 | lundman | oh hey, new minecraft. bbl.. |
| 12:20.24 | rellla | mnemoc: hopefully at idle? |
| 12:24.52 | mnemoc | rellla: no, at max |
| 12:25.35 | mnemoc | rellla: the whole device gets 5V*2A, a hungry driver will eat your mele |
| 12:25.42 | mnemoc | or not works at all |
| 12:26.40 | oliv3r | I assume you mean drive, as in harddisk drive? |
| 12:32.59 | rellla | mnemoc: ok thanks. so a "Samsung 830series 2,5" 64 GB" seems suitable... |
| 12:33.36 | mnemoc | yes, drive |
| 12:34.00 | mnemoc | my fingers tend to type whatever they like |
| 12:38.27 | oliv3r | LOL yeah |
| 12:38.34 | oliv3r | i know the feeling |
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| 12:59.53 | Turl | hno: re " There is a hardware bug where the CPU can draw sufficient power from the UART I/O pins to start booting, but in that half-powered mode there is no power supplied to the SD port." |
| 13:00.04 | Turl | hno: I so hate that on my mele :p |
| 13:00.25 | Maqs | is it possible to toggle usb0 between host and gadget mode? |
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| 13:12.23 | oliv3r | that cpu bug on a specific hardware revision only? or all of them have that bug? |
| 13:14.16 | Marex | Maqs: EHCI does support that ;-) |
| 13:17.11 | mnemoc | isn't that an electrical thing? |
| 13:18.08 | mnemoc | 5th pin shorted vs nc |
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| 13:36.56 | oliv3r | oh didnt notice he rejoined |
| 13:37.59 | empat0 | turl: im playing with cm9. i followed the sunxi wiki, everything comes up, but i do not have a mouse pointer (also mouse events are coming). any hints for me? |
| 13:44.47 | Turl | you should have one |
| 13:45.03 | Turl | empat0: can you run getevent on adb shell and see what name your mouse got? |
| 13:47.53 | Turl | mnemoc: might be, I have one of the uart cables not connected |
| 13:47.59 | oliv3r | empat0: why not try CM10? |
| 13:49.20 | empat0 | turl: could not get driver version for /dev/input/mice, Not a typewriter |
| 13:49.20 | empat0 | add device 2: /dev/input/event2 |
| 13:49.20 | empat0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.20 | empat0 | could not get driver version for /dev/input/mouse0, Not a typewriter |
| 13:49.20 | empat0 | add device 3: /dev/input/event1 |
| 13:49.21 | empat0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.31 | mnemoc | Turl: eh? lost the context, what do are you refering too? uart should always be tx,rx,gnd only, no vcc. |
| 13:51.49 | empat0 | oliv3r: just getting started with cm. there is a sunxi wiki page on this, refering to cm9. |
| 13:55.08 | drachensun | whenever I try to modprobe mali I'm getting segmentation fault |
| 13:55.41 | drachensun | I just built the latest sunxi-3.0 kernel |
| 13:56.00 | drachensun | is this because of the u-boot and the memory settings? |
| 13:56.12 | mnemoc | might be |
| 13:56.26 | mnemoc | mali needs a very special memory block cutted off |
| 13:56.57 | drachensun | empat0 when you run xbmc with the latest kernel do you have a recent u-boot or and older one before the ram changes? |
| 13:57.08 | mnemoc | drachensun: check begining of dmesg |
| 13:58.04 | drachensun | wow, I'm so used to working over the serial terminal I forgot now I wont see kernel errors |
| 13:58.15 | drachensun | ok, getting now |
| 13:58.16 | empat0 | drachensun: i was lazy, i'm still using a very old bootloader |
| 13:59.04 | drachensun | empat0: ok, because I'm getting seg faults in xbmc but I think is probably because I don't have the mali driver loaded |
| 13:59.25 | Turl | mnemoc: ctx = booting from nand if uart connected before powering device |
| 13:59.49 | Turl | empat0: I assume that's your mouse then |
| 13:59.54 | Turl | if you move it do you see the events? |
| 14:00.05 | empat0 | drachensun: without mali xbmc will not start |
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| 14:00.41 | empat0 | turl: yes. i can even select items. |
| 14:01.06 | mnemoc | BROM chip-id: aw1623C (A10) or BROM chip-id: aw1623-revC (A10) or ..... aw1623 (A10 revC) or .... something else? |
| 14:01.34 | mnemoc | brom only tells 1623, rev is taken from a different part |
| 14:01.48 | mnemoc | ----^ RFC |
| 14:02.18 | Turl | empat0: maybe the kernel driver for that RCMCU iPazzPort thingy has incorrect flags then, you should be able to override it with an idc file |
| 14:02.36 | Turl | mnemoc: chip-id: AW1623 (revision C) |
| 14:02.38 | mnemoc | Turl: I don't boot from nand... ever :| |
| 14:02.53 | mnemoc | Turl: no "A10" friendly name? |
| 14:02.55 | drachensun | pc is at mali_kernel_memory_mmu_interrupt_handler_upper_half when it crashes |
| 14:03.07 | Turl | mnemoc: my mele likes to boot from nand after a kpanic or power unplug/plug if I leave uart connected |
| 14:03.23 | Turl | mnemoc: AW1623 (A10 revision C) |
| 14:03.24 | mnemoc | i never unplug the uart... |
| 14:03.52 | Turl | or even better, chip id: A10 (AW1623 revision C) |
| 14:04.10 | Turl | as A10 is marketing, and the revision isn't |
| 14:04.12 | empat0 | turl: any pointer for idc files? |
| 14:04.29 | mnemoc | Turl: ok |
| 14:04.44 | drachensun | I guess I will break out the old u-boot later and try it that way |
| 14:04.51 | Turl | empat0: you'll need a text file named RCMCU_iPazzPort.idc |
| 14:06.07 | oliv3r | there, actually put some effort into today. pll4 is now up :p |
| 14:07.00 | Turl | empat0: put this line inside |
| 14:07.02 | Turl | touch.deviceType = pointer |
| 14:07.39 | Turl | and drop the file in /system/usr/idc/ |
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| 14:15.41 | oliv3r | if anybody sees hipboi, tell him ive mailed him e-mail details; hell know what to do with them |
| 14:15.47 | oliv3r | hometime for me :) |
| 14:15.56 | oliv3r | PLL5 i leave for monday, and probably try to also do PLL6 |
| 14:20.08 | empat0 | turl: still no pointer |
| 14:20.38 | oliv3r | have a good weekend all! |
| 14:22.08 | Turl | empat0: check logcat when you plug your device, what do you see? |
| 14:24.09 | Turl | empat0: settings-dev options also has a setting you can enable to show touches/pointer, you can try that |
| 14:27.53 | techn_ | 3rd day and 20k raised :p |
| 14:28.24 | empat0 | turl: i can not find this option. where is it in detail? |
| 14:28.28 | techn_ | Tom will propably need to make more boards than 1k :) |
| 14:28.56 | mnemoc | techn_: that was the point in making the campaign flexible, fixed stops at the goal |
| 14:29.00 | Turl | empat0: I'm running jelly bean but it should be somewhere in settings-developer options |
| 14:29.38 | Turl | 2 x 700$ 10 board packages, nice :P |
| 14:29.59 | mnemoc | Turl: 10 board + 10 cases + 10 ttl/usb cables |
| 14:30.06 | mnemoc | Turl: dhl |
| 14:30.22 | mnemoc | not a bad deal |
| 14:31.03 | Turl | DHL itself will require another 350$ out of your pocket to receive the package :P |
| 14:31.07 | Turl | plus customs of course :P |
| 14:31.19 | techn_ | I was one of the happy ten ;) |
| 14:31.39 | mnemoc | nah, dhl is one of the most civilized of the fancy couriers |
| 14:31.48 | Turl | techn_: there was one extra lucky dog ;) |
| 14:32.02 | mnemoc | and in some countries, like .uk, receiving small packages over normal mail is more expensive than couriers :< |
| 14:32.52 | mnemoc | the beloved parcelforce makes so sweet to receive mail over there... |
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| 14:34.33 | Turl | mnemoc: http://figazza.blogspot.com.ar/2008/07/la-pesadilla-aduanadhl.html |
| 14:34.52 | Turl | just look at the fees.. for a 50US$ package :) |
| 14:35.11 | mnemoc | niiiice |
| 14:35.49 | mnemoc | i had a similar problem with dhl here in .es. but "only" 2x in fees |
| 14:38.11 | mnemoc | http://dx.com/p/mele-a2000g-android-4-0-google-tv-player-w-wi-fi-sd-1gb-ram-8gb-rom-vga-black-161843 |
| 14:38.35 | empat0 | turl: i think i will try jelly bean, same instructions as on wiki, just use -b jellybean? |
| 14:38.53 | techn_ | so you need to pay for free delivery? or what you are talking about? |
| 14:39.43 | mnemoc | techn_: Turl's post? it's about the fees charged by DHL to deliver your package |
| 14:39.44 | Turl | mnemoc: 1GB ram'd mele :O |
| 14:40.21 | Turl | empat0: you need a new local_manifest |
| 14:40.52 | empat0 | turl: where can i get this? |
| 14:41.04 | mnemoc | vi local_manifest.xml |
| 14:41.31 | Turl | it doesn't exist yet :P let me make one |
| 14:44.00 | bfree | techn_: I think you are in the EU so you should be ok ... it was less then €22 so it is exempt from duty or VAT (if VAT, or duty, is due the courier likes to add their own "admin fee" on top) |
| 14:44.07 | drachensun | empat0: Is there an output log or debug mode or anything to see error messages from xbmc? |
| 14:44.38 | drachensun | empat0: I've got the mali driver now but I'm still getting "ERROR: unable to create GUI. Exiting" seg fault |
| 14:44.38 | empat0 | drachensun: ~/.xbmc/temp/xbmc.log |
| 14:45.06 | Turl | empat0: http://turl.linux-sunxi.org/local_manifest_jb.xml this should do the trick |
| 14:45.46 | Turl | empat0: what device are you working on btw? |
| 14:46.11 | empat0 | turl: thanks! I'm using mk802 1GB |
| 14:47.47 | empat0 | drachensun: no permissions on the needed /dev's ? |
| 14:48.22 | drachensun | empat0: i'm running as root, since I built it that way |
| 14:48.34 | drachensun | empat0: "EGL Failed to initialize" |
| 14:48.44 | Turl | empat0: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_mk802 :) |
| 14:49.06 | Turl | consider it an invitation to make a device tree for it :p |
| 14:49.46 | empat0 | turl: will do my best |
| 14:49.53 | drachensun | empat0: I was following relllas build instructions which said to remove libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-dev libegl1-mesa-drivers libgles2-mesa libgles2-mesa-dev |
| 14:50.24 | empat0 | drachensun: are you building armel or armhf? |
| 14:50.50 | drachensun | empat0: armhf |
| 14:51.39 | empat0 | drachensun: you need the stage/sunxi-3.0 kernel for this, have you installed it? |
| 14:52.37 | empat0 | drachensun: (or wip/*/next_mali) |
| 14:54.23 | Maqs | sunxi-3.0 won't work for hardware decoding? |
| 14:54.24 | mnemoc | stage is preferred |
| 14:54.39 | mnemoc | Maqs: yes. diff is in mali |
| 14:55.01 | Maqs | btw, is there a way to make sure it's using hardware decoding? |
| 14:55.02 | mnemoc | and some other disp fixes |
| 14:55.16 | Maqs | and how do i get rid of the blinking cursor in xbmc? :) |
| 14:56.00 | empat0 | Maqs: you can check the xbmc logfile. (hopefully) all A10 messages are prefixed with A10. |
| 14:56.05 | Maqs | FB_SUNXI/FB_SUNXI_HDMI? something else? |
| 14:56.40 | drachensun | oh ok, I missed th stage/ part |
| 14:56.41 | mnemoc | empat0: btw, this also affects A13 and A10s. not only A10 ;-) |
| 14:56.47 | Maqs | 16:47:22 T:1335301184 NOTICE: A10: using software rendering. |
| 14:56.47 | Maqs | ok, that does not look like hardware rendering :-) |
| 14:56.48 | hno | Maqs, you need to tell fbcon to hide when starting xmbc. |
| 14:56.50 | drachensun | I will try it now |
| 14:58.02 | Maqs | i guess there was some solution for the screen going black for a few seconds sometimes, too.. but i don't remember where i found it |
| 14:59.05 | empat0 | Maqs: be carefull, it gets initialized for software rendering also when building the tumbnails. |
| 14:59.45 | Maqs | DEBUG: A10: cedar open. |
| 14:59.46 | Maqs | looks better.. i guess .-) |
| 15:01.46 | empat0 | Maqs: now you are using the vpu for decoding. for hardware rendering you should see A10: using hardware rendering. |
| 15:01.55 | Maqs | oh, okay |
| 15:02.12 | Maqs | empat0: could you maybe put your kernel .config online somewhere? |
| 15:03.26 | empat0 | Maqs: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101975001/config_3.0.42-t3 |
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| 15:04.12 | Maqs | thanks |
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| 15:12.37 | Turl | mnemoc: did anyone find out what A10S is btw? :P |
| 15:13.19 | mnemoc | sun5i |
| 15:13.48 | mnemoc | we should make a comparison table in the wiki to get this more clear |
| 15:15.07 | mnemoc | tsvetan said he was going to get some samples... |
| 15:15.24 | Turl | so it's an A13.. with HDMI? o.O |
| 15:15.42 | mnemoc | no no, it's more like an small A10 |
| 15:15.47 | mnemoc | much smaller |
| 15:15.53 | mnemoc | the A13 is larger than the A10 |
| 15:15.58 | Turl | why is it sun5i then? |
| 15:16.11 | mnemoc | the removed sata and other things |
| 15:16.19 | traeak | ugh removed sata |
| 15:16.31 | traeak | do they have to pay a license fee for including sata? |
| 15:16.32 | mnemoc | as the A13 it's a trimmed variant of the A10 |
| 15:16.42 | mnemoc | traeak: pins |
| 15:16.44 | mnemoc | traeak: size |
| 15:17.02 | mnemoc | but it has ethernet |
| 15:17.19 | mnemoc | it's intended for set top boxes (without sata) and hdmi dongles |
| 15:17.52 | mnemoc | wiki wiki |
| 15:18.27 | traeak | mnemoc: understood about that...just seeing the a10s :-p |
| 15:20.54 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:29.11 | rm | the A13 is not BGA, right |
| 15:29.42 | rm | the simpler package with solder legs on all sides, don't know what it's called |
| 15:30.09 | rm | right. http://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/allwinner_a13.jpg |
| 15:41.37 | drachensun | empat0: ok, I build the stage/sunxi-3.0 kernel and I'm getting the same error, is there a list of the drivers I need loaded? |
| 15:43.38 | drachensun | wait you said something about permission to the devices, seems like I remember that being something that had to be done manually even if running as root |
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| 15:45.44 | empat0 | drachensun: https://github.com/empatzero/xbmca10/blob/master/tools/a10/depends/package/root/etc/xbmc-watchdog.sh |
| 15:46.15 | Workboot | Could anyone point me to a dmesg log from an A10? Ideally cubieboard itself. |
| 15:46.23 | drachensun | cool, thanks |
| 15:51.16 | Workboot | Oh, there seems to be a whole other channel for that. |
| 15:54.59 | rm | which channel? |
| 15:55.17 | mnemoc | #cubieboard I guess |
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| 15:55.51 | rm | here's a dmesg, but it's a bit old: http://media.romanrm.ru/a10/server/3.0.31rm3/dmesg.txt |
| 15:56.02 | rm | I haven't bothered to capture dmesg from the newer ones |
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| 16:00.55 | drachensun | empat0: still the egl error, I followed the build at http://linux-sunxi.org/XBMC |
| 16:01.05 | drachensun | empat0: is that remove egl stuff correct? |
| 16:04.52 | empat0 | empat0: what do you mean? |
| 16:05.15 | empat0 | drachensun: the mesa stuff? |
| 16:08.55 | empat0 | drachensun: sorry, i have to leave. |
| 16:09.37 | drachensun | empat0: yeah, the mesa stuff |
| 16:09.48 | drachensun | empat0: Ok, I understand, thanks for all the help |
| 16:09.56 | mnemoc | drachensun: he left |
| 16:15.05 | Workboot | rm: Thanks. Is that telling me the SATA interface is limited to operating like one of those old PATA thingumies? |
| 16:15.42 | Workboot | I guess that still beats using USB by a good margin. |
| 16:16.30 | mnemoc | my cubieboard does 120MB/s when working with my external esata raid |
| 16:17.06 | mnemoc | 60 with an old 2.5" laptop 320GB hdd |
| 16:17.20 | techn_ | mnemoc: libv is doing rest by him self? |
| 16:17.27 | mnemoc | techn_: yes |
| 16:21.40 | techn_ | ok.. now I can focus on wemac problem :/ |
| 16:22.00 | techn_ | any suggestions how device can be probed? |
| 16:22.38 | techn_ | on Minix, there is wemac? but no phy? |
| 16:23.00 | techn_ | or what is missing? |
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| 16:36.29 | rm | techn_, wemac is on the A10 |
| 16:36.42 | rm | if it's enabled in script.bin, you're going to have it even on MK802 |
| 16:36.53 | rm | as eth0 :) |
| 16:37.11 | techn_ | rm: in MiniX's stock config has wemac enabled :( |
| 16:38.11 | techn_ | and when wemac is started it will go to crash loop |
| 16:38.47 | rm | strange |
| 16:38.55 | techn_ | I think this crash can be reproduced with mele too.. there is mutex in irq |
| 16:48.42 | mnemoc | techn_: if your device doesn't have rj45, disable the stuff in script.bin |
| 16:49.07 | techn_ | mnemoc: but its enabled in default .fex file |
| 16:49.20 | techn_ | stock |
| 16:49.41 | techn_ | but probaply there is no wemac module eighter |
| 16:49.59 | mnemoc | yes, that might be the reason stock doesn't crash |
| 16:50.21 | techn_ | I'll try to investigate that crash loop problem atleast |
| 16:50.28 | mnemoc | :) |
| 16:50.42 | mnemoc | adding a verified fex to sunxi-boards would be nice :) |
| 16:51.20 | techn_ | ok. I'll do that |
| 16:51.24 | mnemoc | specially the dram_para part |
| 16:54.42 | techn_ | I can't be sore of that.. no UART :( |
| 16:54.46 | techn_ | *sure |
| 16:55.08 | techn_ | but atleast I'm sure that it boots :p |
| 16:55.46 | techn_ | I'll propably need to remind Tom |
| 16:58.14 | mnemoc | boots using a modern u-boot with dram.c for your device made out of that .fex? |
| 16:59.44 | techn_ | yep |
| 17:00.00 | mnemoc | nice |
| 17:00.18 | techn_ | or.. how I can be sure that correct u-boot is used :/ |
| 17:01.07 | techn_ | Hmm.. I'm sure.. since I had once wrong dram params |
| 17:01.09 | mnemoc | if you dd-ed it and booted from uSD, it was used |
| 17:47.48 | mnemoc | techn_: http://sprunge.us/DAgU?diff is more of what I had in mind. `make configure` is pretty much superfluous |
| 17:48.34 | mnemoc | problably running oldconfig if .config is already there |
| 17:49.42 | techn_ | mnemoc: you managed to get O= working outside of kernel tree? |
| 17:49.50 | mnemoc | sure |
| 17:49.54 | mnemoc | $(PWD) |
| 17:50.08 | techn_ | I think I tried that |
| 17:50.14 | techn_ | but sure.. that's better |
| 17:50.15 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:50.27 | mnemoc | http://sprunge.us/XMSc?diff |
| 17:50.32 | mnemoc | note the oldconfig |
| 17:51.08 | mnemoc | first run has an small penalty, but shouldn't be noted |
| 17:51.29 | mnemoc | also note the -j |
| 17:52.18 | RaYmAn | has the arndale board come up in here yet? |
| 17:52.44 | mnemoc | never heared of it |
| 17:52.57 | RaYmAn | http://howchip.com/shop/item.php?it_id=AND5250A |
| 17:53.03 | RaYmAn | 250$ Exynos 5250 |
| 17:53.30 | RaYmAn | dual core a15, 2gb ram, sata 3, wifi, gps, bt |
| 17:53.43 | mnemoc | the price of the chromebook :p |
| 17:53.51 | RaYmAn | and same specs as well :P |
| 17:53.51 | techn_ | mnemoc: I can do that.. If you are in hurry :) |
| 17:53.58 | RaYmAn | except for screen of course |
| 17:54.01 | mnemoc | wow... that's an awfully poluted CoM |
| 17:54.45 | mnemoc | techn_: no hurry. and I can commit it myself. buy wanted to know your thoughts about the different changes there |
| 17:55.21 | techn_ | I have some changes on my workspace.. I was about to commit them |
| 17:55.36 | mnemoc | ok, no problem |
| 17:55.53 | mnemoc | `git stash` for the win :) |
| 17:56.32 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: there is nothing like the terseness of a a10-based board :) |
| 17:57.09 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 17:57.28 | RaYmAn | well, this does look cool - though, I don't see why anyone would choose that over e.g. chromebook or nexus 10 (if true) |
| 17:58.14 | mnemoc | has jtag and other development stuff |
| 17:58.27 | RaYmAn | yeah, but that's about it |
| 17:58.37 | mnemoc | :p |
| 17:58.50 | mnemoc | my chromebook is still in memphis :< |
| 17:58.53 | RaYmAn | aww |
| 17:59.27 | mnemoc | will reach my coworker on monday.... "super saver shipping" :) |
| 17:59.58 | techn_ | mnemoc: changes are there |
| 18:00.00 | RaYmAn | I'm still tempted , heh |
| 18:00.19 | mnemoc | allwinner may do very aweful code, but they really know how to make SoCs that keep the PCB clean |
| 18:00.32 | RaYmAn | well, this board is clearly not intended to be clean |
| 18:00.33 | techn_ | mnemoc: who is adding new targets to u-boot? |
| 18:00.36 | RaYmAn | I mean, everything is connected through modules |
| 18:00.43 | RaYmAn | including cpu |
| 18:00.53 | mnemoc | techn_: hno, send the commit to the ML |
| 18:01.20 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: I mean the cpu module, it's full of garbage |
| 18:01.35 | mnemoc | the other modules are full of garbage too |
| 18:02.05 | RaYmAn | you mena like capacitors and other important stuff that allwinner devices skimp on? ;) |
| 18:02.29 | mnemoc | yes |
| 18:02.36 | RaYmAn | It's not necessarily a good idea to cut down on that kind of stuff :P |
| 18:02.39 | mnemoc | that's what I mean by terseness |
| 18:03.08 | RaYmAn | I mean, look at mk802 with them skipping basic electricity safety for hdmi stuff |
| 18:03.25 | mnemoc | that's different |
| 18:03.46 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: My main concern about chromebook is whether it's fully recoverable - e.g. unbrickable |
| 18:03.51 | RaYmAn | I doubt it, sadly. |
| 18:03.52 | mnemoc | the A10 was designed so manufacturers don't need to add tons of capacitors to the boards |
| 18:04.29 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: in theory, unless you touch the eeprom you can recover chromeos after each boot |
| 18:04.49 | mnemoc | it will actually prompt you for it, every time |
| 18:04.55 | RaYmAn | I honestly lack the knowledge to say whether that's true or not. I mean, I'm not questioning whether that's what they say, but.. |
| 18:05.04 | RaYmAn | well, if I were to get it, it would be for dev fun |
| 18:05.10 | RaYmAn | so might not stay at chromeos :) |
| 18:05.20 | mnemoc | same here :) |
| 18:05.43 | mnemoc | a "dev mode" switch would have been nicer than that f* prompt on every boot |
| 18:06.05 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 18:06.38 | RaYmAn | I think I'll wait till someone gets it under proper treatment :P |
| 18:06.43 | RaYmAn | see how hackable it is etc |
| 18:07.13 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:07.40 | RaYmAn | They have a "user manual" which I guess is the TRM on the arndale shop |
| 18:07.49 | RaYmAn | but you need to create a user and I haven't quite managed to do that yet |
| 18:08.00 | mnemoc | i'm very eager to get mine. all these years waiting for a usable arm laptop |
| 18:08.15 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 18:08.20 | RaYmAn | ac100? ;) |
| 18:08.29 | mnemoc | it didn't reach .es |
| 18:08.54 | mnemoc | and the display is crap |
| 18:09.13 | mnemoc | mostly the display was the problem, like with the efika |
| 18:09.55 | RaYmAn | yeah, and the adam |
| 18:09.55 | RaYmAn | :/ |
| 18:10.00 | mnemoc | :< |
| 18:10.15 | techn_ | mnemoc: real description of hwpack https://wiki.linaro.org/HardwarePacks |
| 18:10.20 | mnemoc | the chromebook's is matte. that's nice |
| 18:11.23 | RaYmAn | wow, that's rare these days |
| 18:11.42 | mnemoc | all glossy and fingerprint magnetic |
| 18:11.46 | RaYmAn | yay, succeeded getting that damn download, lol |
| 18:12.18 | RaYmAn | generic exynos 5250 TRM I guess - if it manages to finish downloading :) |
| 18:19.38 | RaYmAn | ooh..it has Cortex-A5 low power co-processor |
| 18:20.17 | rm | sooo has anyone signed up for Paralella? |
| 18:20.42 | RaYmAn | nope- have they gotten closer to their goal? |
| 18:20.51 | RaYmAn | (like, significantly) |
| 18:20.53 | rm | yes, a lot closer |
| 18:21.00 | rm | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone/posts/323691 |
| 18:21.06 | rm | but I am stil highly sceptical |
| 18:21.26 | rm | don't think I want to tie up $120 with a faint hope of getting some pie in the sky board in May 2013 |
| 18:21.40 | rm | still* |
| 18:24.39 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 18:24.52 | RaYmAn | I already have like 3x~100$ tied up in kickstarter projects :/ |
| 18:25.47 | rm | still would be said if they fall short of something like $10k |
| 18:25.51 | rm | sad* |
| 18:26.00 | rm | dammit what's with my typing today |
| 18:26.05 | RaYmAn | definitely |
| 18:26.15 | RaYmAn | it's interesting in theory at least |
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| 18:45.16 | mnemoc | techn_: http://sprunge.us/fGLa?diff |
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| 18:46.25 | mnemoc | i have to admit I'm not convinced about all those $(Q) hiding the flow... but I can live with them for now |
| 18:47.39 | techn_ | mnemoc: trick with that.. you can enable flow by setting Q=@ to Q= :) |
| 18:49.02 | mnemoc | techn_: and so turn the kernel build verbose |
| 18:50.04 | mnemoc | (the $(Q) value is passed to the sub-make calls |
| 18:50.38 | mnemoc | "recursive makefiles considered harmful", nice article :| |
| 18:51.12 | mnemoc | http://aegis.sourceforge.net/auug97.pdf |
| 18:51.50 | techn_ | kernel verbose is V= ? |
| 18:54.38 | mnemoc | kernel uses Q=@ too |
| 18:57.39 | jelly-home | RaYmAn: at least kickstarter doesn't take your money when the goal is not reached |
| 18:58.16 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 18:59.35 | techn_ | mnemoc: for me it wont pass Q= variable to linux makefiles |
| 18:59.40 | mnemoc | techn_: any variable set in the parent Makefile will win against those defined in the child makefile |
| 18:59.59 | mnemoc | not as argument |
| 19:00.04 | mnemoc | as part of the env |
| 19:00.32 | mnemoc | as evil magic |
| 19:01.40 | mnemoc | make linux Q= 2>&1 | less and look the output |
| 19:02.40 | mnemoc | techn_: but, anything against the diff pasted above? |
| 19:03.20 | techn_ | mnemoc: I tried to move include chosen_board.mk to beginning.. it helped :) |
| 19:03.50 | mnemoc | techn_: let me commit my change first |
| 19:04.50 | techn_ | ok.. If you'll pass argument as command line it will be passed to child makefile.. but inside makefile it should pass :/ |
| 19:05.00 | techn_ | *shouldn't |
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| 19:06.50 | techn_ | that's why I dont have that problem since I change that in top makefile |
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| 19:07.15 | techn_ | .. I dont pass it via command line |
| 19:08.35 | mnemoc | adjusting Makefiles manually on the working tree doesn't play nice with git. and i would even claim it a bad practice, but I won't argue. np :) |
| 19:09.59 | mnemoc | what really disturbs me is your `cp foo/* bar -rf` .... options at the end are AWFUL |
| 19:11.02 | techn_ | yep.. I was thinking to have better solution for that |
| 19:11.19 | mnemoc | cp -a is a common way to do recursive cp |
| 19:11.56 | mnemoc | but anyway, I need to return to $work$ |
| 19:12.08 | mnemoc | having the u-boot and linux targets fixed I'm happy |
| 19:12.25 | techn_ | I was thinking to make archivemount to get rid of extra file handling |
| 19:13.33 | techn_ | or do we need those dirs elsewhere than hwpack creation? |
| 19:14.29 | mnemoc | what dirs? |
| 19:14.45 | techn_ | output/$(BOARD) |
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| 19:15.19 | mnemoc | lets assume we don't until we do |
| 19:15.40 | mnemoc | for other final targets, and a livesuit image or an sd card |
| 19:15.52 | mnemoc | a/and/like/ |
| 19:15.56 | techn_ | plus.. after this is done we need to figure out different rootfs thingies |
| 19:16.34 | mnemoc | those are better done is scripts imo |
| 19:16.40 | mnemoc | s/is/with/ |
| 19:16.46 | techn_ | what are supported rootfs's.. linaro's, android,.. ? |
| 19:17.33 | techn_ | handbuild debian.. |
| 19:17.40 | mnemoc | can't really think about it right now. my brain is crippled and need to return to work |
| 19:17.51 | techn_ | :) |
| 19:18.15 | mnemoc | for those where we can download a rootfs tarball I wouldn't care to build |
| 19:18.37 | mnemoc | just make an script with the url/path to the tarball |
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| 19:18.51 | mnemoc | and let me make the card, or the livesuit image, or whatever |
| 19:19.01 | mnemoc | doing all those things in Makefiles is awful |
| 19:19.39 | mnemoc | but i might be wrong.... can't really think straight atm |
| 19:29.54 | techn_ | damn.. this starts to look great :) |
| 19:30.30 | mnemoc | my migrane? |
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| 19:30.41 | mnemoc | yes, kind of |
| 19:31.45 | mnemoc | try delegating long shell outs to scripts/*.sh helpers |
| 19:32.04 | mnemoc | scripts/mk_hwpack.sh for example |
| 19:32.34 | mnemoc | you can . chosen_board.mk, it's shell friendly |
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| 20:39.42 | libv | i cannot help but feel satisfied: 129 files changed, 21000 insertions(+), 42000 deletions(-) |
| 20:39.56 | libv | flatting sunxi/disp after unification :) |
| 20:40.00 | libv | flattening even |
| 20:41.05 | libv | but i hope i never have to type CONFIG_ARCH_SUN[45]I again in my life. |
| 20:41.25 | libv | now heads off to hollow out OSAL again |
| 20:42.13 | mnemoc | libv: stage/sunxi-3.0 has machine_is_sun[45]i() support now :p |
| 20:43.04 | libv | mnemoc: in some promising future, much of those preprocessorred defined bits would just fold together |
| 20:43.14 | libv | at least a large portion of it |
| 20:43.22 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:43.27 | libv | but for this step, preserving code is important |
| 20:43.35 | mnemoc | yes |
| 20:44.03 | mnemoc | it's the "documentation" :| |
| 20:47.24 | libv | yup |
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| 20:56.03 | steev | good news everybody! my 10" MID970 appears to have broken wifi |
| 20:56.43 | specing | My 7" one too. |
| 20:56.53 | specing | It worked before |
| 20:56.54 | steev | mnemoc: fyi, mainline wants to get rid of the machine_is_ macros |
| 20:57.03 | techn_ | mnemoc: take a look |
| 20:57.03 | steev | specing: ditto, but this means i can take it apart |
| 20:57.13 | specing | Heh |
| 20:57.24 | specing | Here it stopped working after I took it apart |
| 20:57.24 | steev | so i can finally get back to a10 hacking |
| 20:57.41 | steev | ah, no, i haven't taken it apart yet, in fact, i dunno why wifis stopped working |
| 20:58.04 | steev | it was starting to have issues with connecting/downloading updates, and then it just went kaput |
| 20:58.36 | rz2k | welcome to realtek |
| 20:58.45 | specing | steev is becoming german ;) |
| 20:59.07 | specing | I like realtek's crabs |
| 20:59.20 | mnemoc | steev: we are way way away of what mainline wants. we first need unification, and that fills the code with #ifdefs |
| 20:59.54 | mnemoc | steev: machine_is_ turns many of the #ifdefs within functions into something readable :< |
| 21:00.06 | steev | i know :( |
| 21:00.45 | mnemoc | eventually we might reach the point where DT rules our world to... but that won't happen any time soon :| |
| 21:01.01 | steev | i'm still on the fence about DT |
| 21:01.17 | steev | i mean i did the work for the efika, and it just... really so not worth it |
| 21:01.29 | steev | went from decently working to, well, at least we have serial |
| 21:04.20 | mnemoc | :( |
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| 21:14.16 | steev | at least the imx-drm stuff made it into staging |
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| 22:34.58 | mnemoc | techn_: so pushing the include to the top of the makefile solved the [ -s "..." ] || problem? |
| 22:35.09 | techn_ | mnemoc: yes |
| 22:36.14 | mnemoc | good to know... and actually makes sense... the var is "incomplete" on the first pass |
| 22:38.44 | techn_ | mnemoc: yes.. I just realized that my self :p |
| 22:39.11 | mnemoc | techn_: btw, why all those "try" instead of `set -e` ? |
| 22:40.01 | mnemoc | are you still working on that shell script or I can clean/fix it a bit? |
| 22:40.12 | techn_ | I havent done scripts often :) |
| 22:40.28 | techn_ | mnemoc: no.. there's all for today |
| 22:40.47 | mnemoc | btw, sunxi-bsp is looking niiiice :) |
| 22:41.04 | techn_ | yes.. and how easy it is to use |
| 22:41.55 | techn_ | but still much to improve :) |
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| 22:59.05 | libv | throws Lindent at sunxi/disp |
| 22:59.21 | mnemoc | ow |
| 23:00.15 | libv | so unification is done, OSAL is done, and some other changes along the way have been ported over |
| 23:00.46 | mnemoc | let me know when I can pull them into the stage branches for testing |
| 23:01.32 | libv | will take several hours still |
| 23:02.05 | mnemoc | ok |
| 23:07.36 | WarheadsSE | steev: what it you that had an imx6? |
| 23:11.03 | steev | WarheadsSE: yes i have some |
| 23:14.33 | WarheadsSE | Nitrogen6x? |
| 23:15.01 | WarheadsSE | I had to have a board replaced because some soldering was sloppily done, must have been an early test board. |
| 23:15.22 | steev | i have sabrelite and sabresd |
| 23:21.18 | WarheadsSE | Any oddities show up on either for those from sloppy soldering, or do I just get the rejects :p |
| 23:21.40 | steev | i think you get the rejects, although the sabrelite are to1 boards, so things will be.... interesting on them |
| 23:21.56 | steev | same with early nit6x i'd guess |
| 23:22.15 | steev | the bd guys are good people though |
| 23:22.40 | WarheadsSE | indeed |
| 23:22.56 | WarheadsSE | I still have a few caps that are touching, hoping more works this time. |
| 23:23.04 | WarheadsSE | At least this one has working sata |
| 23:24.32 | steev | heh |
| 23:44.57 | WarheadsSE | yeah, kinda annoying, we'll see what fails this time :p |
| 23:45.11 | WarheadsSE | last one sata didnt work, and when I plugged in a usb device, the uSD disappeared. |
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| 23:56.07 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: arndaleboard on the frontpage of armdevices now :) |
| 23:58.04 | WarheadsSE | yeah, that should be cute |
| 23:59.11 | rm | > $249 |
| 23:59.21 | rm | and it's the same h/w as that netbook, right? |
| 23:59.31 | mnemoc | actually == $249 |
| 23:59.32 | rm | so basically it's a netbook without the actual netbook |
| 23:59.37 | mnemoc | just like the chromebook |
| 23:59.41 | rm | and for the same price |
| 23:59.42 | rm | "yay" |
| 23:59.51 | mnemoc | but it has jtag :p |
| 23:59.54 | rm | mnemoc, > here was a quote sign, like in E-Mail |
| 23:59.58 | rm | sorry for the confusion :p |
