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| 01:45.34 | bsdfox | Board: A10-EVB |
| 01:45.36 | bsdfox | DRAM: 512 MiB |
| 01:45.36 | bsdfox | NAND: 3800 MiB |
| 01:45.54 | bsdfox | is there really 4gb nand onboard the a2000? |
| 02:01.13 | projectgus | bsdfox: think so www.cnx-software.com/2012/04/04/mele-a2000-android-2-3-media-player-powered-by-allwinner-a10/ |
| 02:01.18 | projectgus | do you have any reason to suspect otherwise? |
| 02:01.32 | projectgus | btw, has anyone ever tried to hook up a SATA port multiplier to an allwinner a10 sata port? |
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| 02:10.40 | WarheadsSE | projectgus: don't have an a10 board with populated header |
| 02:10.45 | WarheadsSE | otherwise, I could have. |
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| 02:32.02 | WarheadsSE | Mele A100, Arch Linux ARM, now with systemd : 15 second boot time, with 3 second uboot boot delay. |
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| 02:32.52 | ZaEarl | boot from nand? |
| 02:38.53 | WarheadsSE | sd card. |
| 02:39.33 | ZaEarl | sd is dog slow, 15 seconds is amazing |
| 02:39.51 | WarheadsSE | and that is without going through the trouble of readahead |
| 02:40.51 | WarheadsSE | looks like I am getting varying times between 15-18s |
| 02:41.08 | WarheadsSE | that 3 seconds seems to be dhcp/openntpd |
| 02:41.37 | WarheadsSE | could proably shave that 2-3 seconds off with a static ip. |
| 02:42.06 | WarheadsSE | Considing an RPi can boot the new v6h w/ systemd in ~10 seconds |
| 02:42.19 | WarheadsSE | but they don't have the longer uboot/bootloader delay |
| 02:42.38 | WarheadsSE | and my measurements are power on until login |
| 02:42.48 | WarheadsSE | so mine includes that ~4 seconds of uboot. |
| 02:43.00 | lundman | make it 1 second |
| 02:46.28 | WarheadsSE | that, isnt going to happen :p |
| 02:47.13 | WarheadsSE | I mean sure, I can reduce it. but that 3 seconds is there for the people that want to be interrupting it. |
| 02:47.26 | WarheadsSE | but, with uEnv.txt & boot.scr .. wtf eh? |
| 02:47.55 | lundman | you only need 1s to interrupt it :) |
| 02:48.09 | lundman | its not 9600baud anymore! :) |
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| 02:48.51 | WarheadsSE | I'll deal with that later |
| 02:49.00 | WarheadsSE | just really updating the rootfs & checking systemd |
| 02:49.07 | lundman | yep |
| 02:49.44 | WarheadsSE | everything I have with new-er kernels works without much issue. |
| 02:49.56 | WarheadsSE | PLX OX820 .. omfg. |
| 02:50.04 | WarheadsSE | just barfs everywhere |
| 02:51.11 | WarheadsSE | oh, and xxiao I've apparently lost serial on my oldest unit :p |
| 02:55.59 | xxiao | WarheadsSE: you mean the lovely pogo-pro |
| 02:56.01 | xxiao | ? |
| 02:56.07 | WarheadsSE | yes |
| 02:56.26 | WarheadsSE | my very first, bought opening day, then hacked to hell.. has now stoped all uart communication |
| 02:56.48 | xxiao | either the circuit board, or the chip itself, has a shaky serial for sure |
| 02:57.01 | WarheadsSE | shrug |
| 02:57.10 | WarheadsSE | this thing has been beaten to a pulp |
| 02:57.17 | WarheadsSE | I've gotten my money's worth from it |
| 02:57.28 | xxiao | i only saw once when Rx failed to work, but that's on an alpha-chip, i.e. very first tape-out |
| 02:58.22 | xxiao | still has the open-case pogo-pro on the bench, not sure what to do about it, no intention to use pogoplug's software |
| 02:58.49 | WarheadsSE | depends on what you _do_ want to do with it |
| 02:59.10 | xxiao | i want to make a nas running whatever software i want to load |
| 02:59.38 | WarheadsSE | well |
| 02:59.47 | xxiao | just pulled out a mini-itx via epia 10000 i buit 7 years ago and it runs fine, but the fan is noisy |
| 02:59.48 | WarheadsSE | in NAND? |
| 03:00.41 | xxiao | you mentioned you're booting from SATA...which takes priority on other boot options |
| 03:01.05 | WarheadsSE | that how the BOM works, yes |
| 03:02.06 | xxiao | i still need change bootargs under u-boot right? |
| 03:02.58 | xxiao | i can ssh to pogoplug's own linux, do a fw_setenv there, reboot to SATA ... |
| 03:04.51 | WarheadsSE | or, skip that entirely |
| 03:05.09 | xxiao | did a quick look at arch arm linux's instructions |
| 03:05.17 | xxiao | your script kind of covers that i think |
| 03:05.20 | WarheadsSE | there is some magic you can do to the sata (stage0 boot code & uboot on sata), and bypass the NAND en-masse |
| 03:06.03 | xxiao | you mean put stage0 to SATA? |
| 03:06.41 | WarheadsSE | Yeah.. I have a forum thread that has all that. |
| 03:06.48 | xxiao | if the chip's bootrom always try SATA first, then it's do-able for sure |
| 03:06.54 | WarheadsSE | yeah |
| 03:07.27 | xxiao | sound interesting, i need that thread... |
| 03:07.59 | WarheadsSE | The pure sata boot method takes precidence in the BROM |
| 03:08.08 | xxiao | how do you supply power to your SATA? |
| 03:08.18 | WarheadsSE | me? eSATA dock |
| 03:08.18 | xxiao | don't want to have a big ugly ATM-power sit nearby |
| 03:08.28 | xxiao | ATX |
| 03:08.39 | WarheadsSE | others - USB rigged to a SSD |
| 03:09.49 | WarheadsSE | http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2146 |
| 03:11.54 | xxiao | thanks for the link, definitely want to try that |
| 03:12.21 | xxiao | usb-rigged-to-SSD, i'm fine to buy a 60GB SSD for this, what do you mean by usb-SSD? |
| 03:14.39 | xxiao | i have a thermaltake dock here but it's usb only |
| 03:24.14 | WarheadsSE | There is example of usb-powered SSD |
| 03:24.35 | WarheadsSE | they basically pulled the 5VDC rails out of a usb cord |
| 03:28.33 | xxiao | i'm searching a eSATA stick |
| 03:28.53 | xxiao | something like 16GB, one end eSATA, another end USB |
| 03:29.23 | xxiao | i can use the USB port to burn images to it, while the eSATA side for pogo |
| 03:29.41 | WarheadsSE | interesting |
| 03:29.51 | WarheadsSE | remember, eSATA ~= eSATAp |
| 03:30.05 | WarheadsSE | you've got to provide the power from somewhere. |
| 03:30.24 | lundman | yeah |
| 03:30.39 | lundman | worst design ever |
| 03:30.50 | lundman | no wonder every damned hdd case is usb these days |
| 03:32.35 | WarheadsSE | get one of these, go to town .. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820250058 |
| 03:33.16 | bsdfox | should I not be using armhf on a10? |
| 03:33.33 | WarheadsSE | bsdfox: only matters atm if you want cedar |
| 03:33.34 | xxiao | the esata-usb-stick somehow has EOL |
| 03:33.44 | bsdfox | not sure if I want cedar? |
| 03:33.51 | xxiao | from the picture it seems self-powered, not sure how it does that with eSATA |
| 03:33.55 | bsdfox | whatever config performs the best |
| 03:34.27 | xxiao | bsdfox: unless you have lots of floating point calculations i was told armhf does not buy much performance |
| 03:36.09 | WarheadsSE | eSATA doesnt have power. |
| 03:36.38 | xxiao | WarheadsSE: the SLC is neat, should be used in all serious embedded devices, but i need an adapter to make that standard SATA to eSATA? |
| 03:36.44 | xxiao | WarheadsSE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227391 |
| 03:36.54 | WarheadsSE | yeah.. I have a startech |
| 03:36.55 | xxiao | it's EOL, seems like it's self-powered |
| 03:37.02 | WarheadsSE | you've seen my G+ album, yes? |
| 03:37.12 | xxiao | not really |
| 03:37.23 | xxiao | give me a link for me to circle :0 |
| 03:37.33 | WarheadsSE | "or laptop with powered eSATA port" |
| 03:37.39 | WarheadsSE | that means eSATAp |
| 03:38.12 | xxiao | u r right |
| 03:38.17 | xxiao | i don't think pogo does that |
| 03:38.57 | WarheadsSE | ... |
| 03:39.00 | WarheadsSE | No. |
| 03:45.02 | WarheadsSE | xxiao: that embedded/industrial, can run on ~ .2A, well with the USB power output. |
| 03:45.30 | WarheadsSE | just have to hack up a sata power cable and tap the 5VDC rail to a USB port. |
| 03:45.44 | WarheadsSE | it would even fit inside the device nicely. |
| 03:53.51 | xxiao | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707260 |
| 03:54.02 | xxiao | i'm going to buy this usb3+esata one for now |
| 03:54.50 | xxiao | will still put arch-linux to a usb and uuid-boot it, if something went wrong then i will always have SATA to the rescue, due to broken serial |
| 03:55.41 | xxiao | would rather use eSATA as a storage device instead of an OS device, these two should be separated for NAS |
| 04:02.10 | WarheadsSE | cooling fan is new |
| 04:02.23 | WarheadsSE | just know that occasionally they make the BROM mad, and don't work |
| 04:04.59 | WarheadsSE | i have this hooked up to mine http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153071 |
| 04:05.33 | WarheadsSE | except with the esata |
| 04:11.49 | xxiao | i almost bought that one, then realized i could get a usb3 one with $10 more |
| 04:14.17 | WarheadsSE | w/ a fan |
| 04:15.05 | WarheadsSE | interesting |
| 04:15.13 | WarheadsSE | nvm that ^ |
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| 04:27.59 | xxiao | why that fan? |
| 04:28.14 | xxiao | i am going to cut it off |
| 04:29.05 | xxiao | most docking does not have that fan |
| 04:29.36 | xxiao | some enclosure has it, but this is an open air installation |
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| 07:05.50 | cat_x301 | morning; can anyone recommend chip (no more than $70) tablet with HDMI output? Sure I can search, but would like to hear first hand experience :) |
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| 08:17.27 | mnemoc | cat_x301: I doubt you can find such thing yet |
| 08:18.01 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: i remember seeing something that was offered for 45$, but did not risk to order |
| 08:18.58 | mnemoc | the cortex-a5 with hdmi tabs aren't that cheap yet, and allwinner-a13 ones don't have hdmi |
| 08:19.52 | mnemoc | unless you search for arm11 devices... |
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| 08:21.34 | cat_x301 | allright. btw, how are things with linux-sunxi-3.4, haven't seen any updates there recently. |
| 08:21.53 | cat_x301 | is a bit offline these days.. |
| 08:24.33 | mnemoc | personally I haven't have much "spare" time... there are some commit in 3.0 to merge, and then sync with the latest 3.4.x ... was going to try to implement pinctrl next |
| 08:24.49 | mnemoc | since 3.7 pinctrl and multiplatform support will be required |
| 08:25.42 | mnemoc | but beside having earlyprint the most important bit of the core is the pio support, and these days that means pinctrl |
| 08:28.12 | mnemoc | cat_x301: did you make your 3.6 using cherrypicks? is it available? |
| 08:29.16 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: it is available but i did not merge display and gpu. |
| 08:29.44 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: wrt mali - i was not sure whether to take 3p1 or 3p0 |
| 08:30.33 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: sorry, i have asked this already but now forgotten: which branch would be a candidate for cherry picking for disaply and co |
| 08:30.45 | cat_x301 | s/disaply/display |
| 08:31.07 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: is next_mali good enough? |
| 08:31.14 | mnemoc | no |
| 08:31.50 | mnemoc | stick with `linux-sunxi-3.4` as base for 3.6 forwarding |
| 08:32.34 | mnemoc | once next_mali actually gives something it will be merged to 3.0-v2, and then forwarded to linux-sunxi-3.4 |
| 08:33.02 | mnemoc | but at the moment it's still wip/experimental |
| 08:33.36 | mnemoc | cat_x301: url to your 3.6? |
| 08:35.19 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: git@github.com:polarcat/linux-allwinner.git branch sunxi |
| 08:35.28 | mnemoc | neat, thanks |
| 08:36.21 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: i haven't done any testing there since last merge from linus tree, so be aware! |
| 08:36.53 | mnemoc | ok |
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| 08:37.09 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: btw, stupid question, but which way you usually do forwarding: take new kernel and do cherry-picking/merging, or vice versa -- old kernel as base and then cherry pick from upstream? |
| 08:40.15 | mnemoc | I use some scripts to cherry pick from the old branch into the new: http://dpaste.com/803443/ <---- start.sh..... and next.sh http://dpaste.com/803444/ |
| 08:41.09 | mnemoc | FROM/TO in start.sh define the range of commits |
| 08:42.10 | mnemoc | I usually do a "refenrece" branch which is the merge of all not-sunxi. upstream-3.4 + latest 3.4.x in the 3.4 case |
| 08:42.17 | mnemoc | and use that as FROM |
| 08:42.24 | mnemoc | upstream-android-3.4 I mean |
| 08:42.42 | mnemoc | it's a sort of "poor-man stacked git" |
| 08:45.15 | mnemoc | but for 3.6+ i would really prefer to stick with the bare core and leave real-life (with drivers) in 3.0/3.4 until it gets polished |
| 08:45.59 | mnemoc | polished = unified drivers, pending bugs fixed, and mali integration working |
| 08:46.16 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: the bare core -- mach stuff? |
| 08:46.36 | mnemoc | yes |
| 08:47.30 | mnemoc | and forward that part to the current arm-soc requirements. DT/pinctrl/gpiolib/multiplatform |
| 08:48.52 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: yeah, this is good plan. I was thinking of starting sort of polishing for mach-sunxi, but lack of knowledge and experinence prevented me from that. |
| 08:48.54 | mnemoc | (fortunatelly pinctrl brings gpiolib for free) |
| 08:49.48 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: did anyone start to work on DT for sunxi? |
| 08:50.04 | mnemoc | cat_x301: in "multiplatform arm-soc" mach-foo is almost empty :| |
| 08:50.42 | mnemoc | not that i know |
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| 08:52.38 | mnemoc | personally I don't even know how to map sunxi configuration/flexibility to DT yet.... that's why I wanted to start win pinctrl instead of DT |
| 08:53.02 | mnemoc | but i can't until the weekend |
| 08:53.26 | mnemoc | will update the 3.4 branch today |
| 08:53.35 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: if i would know what to do about pinctl :) |
| 08:53.37 | RaYmAn | I agree pinctrl/gpiolib is a better starting point - DT isn't much use if you can't setup pins in it :P |
| 08:53.52 | mnemoc | :) |
| 08:54.26 | mnemoc | cat_x301: 3.4 needs help deperately too. specially usb gadget |
| 08:54.28 | mnemoc | :) |
| 08:54.45 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: what about display, does it work already? |
| 08:54.54 | mnemoc | disp, sure |
| 08:55.22 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: in 3.4? |
| 08:55.28 | mnemoc | afaik yes |
| 08:55.49 | mnemoc | at least I got fbcon once :p |
| 08:58.03 | cat_x301 | need to try again. last time i saw issues with it. |
| 08:58.11 | cat_x301 | also needs to fix gentoo broken deps first.. |
| 08:58.38 | cat_x301 | i somewhat managed to get my system out of control :) |
| 08:58.48 | mnemoc | don't forget http://linux-sunxi.org/Gentoo :) |
| 08:59.10 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: i am talking about my host, not target ;) |
| 08:59.18 | mnemoc | ah, ok |
| 08:59.57 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: but there should be http://linux-sunxi.org/Mer ;) |
| 09:00.04 | mnemoc | :D |
| 09:01.39 | RaYmAn | I think wayland would be interesting |
| 09:01.59 | RaYmAn | xbmc proved that opengles on fb worked so that suddenly makes it very interesting :D |
| 09:02.03 | RaYmAn | (e.g. without X) |
| 09:02.19 | lundman | wooo |
| 09:02.32 | lundman | dont want to use X |
| 09:02.45 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: oh, didn't know that was an option |
| 09:02.58 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: wayland is really intended to run without X |
| 09:02.59 | mnemoc | thought mali was x11 bound |
| 09:03.07 | RaYmAn | apparently not |
| 09:03.21 | mnemoc | not about wayland, about mali/fb on sunxi |
| 09:03.27 | RaYmAn | I got uhm, whats-his-name to test using a customized es2_info |
| 09:03.39 | cat_x301 | lundman: do you know if wayland supports multi-head mode? (xinerama alike) |
| 09:03.49 | mnemoc | cat_x301: greedy |
| 09:03.49 | RaYmAn | and it was showing that it used the mali drivers |
| 09:04.02 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: amazing |
| 09:04.05 | RaYmAn | there are X servers that can run as wayland clients I think |
| 09:04.31 | mnemoc | cat_x301: let's focus in getting one head working first please :p |
| 09:04.50 | mnemoc | drivers probably need love to support a second |
| 09:05.15 | lundman | uh |
| 09:06.01 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: yeah, a bit ahead of time, sorry :D |
| 09:06.32 | RaYmAn | one could start with getting fb support for dual-head :P |
| 09:07.17 | mnemoc | lcd + hdmi on any tablet, sure |
| 09:07.23 | cat_x301 | RaYmAn: i think one would need 2 fbs |
| 09:07.25 | lundman | why do you need to watch two movies at the same time :) |
| 09:07.50 | lundman | so we have a xbmc/fb to test ? |
| 09:07.52 | RaYmAn | cat_x301: I agree |
| 09:08.50 | mnemoc | and big cleanup of the disp drivers to remove statics |
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| 09:13.52 | mnemoc | cat_x301: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Android-4-0-Ice-Cream-Sandwich-Tablet-PC-7-inch-Capacitive-512MB-4GB-or-8GB-Utra/529487175.html |
| 09:14.17 | mnemoc | cat_x301: A10 (with hdmi) for <$70 |
| 09:14.19 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: does lcd + hdmi work now? |
| 09:14.23 | RaYmAn | or does it just clone? |
| 09:14.36 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: i doubt you can even have both enabled at the same time currently |
| 09:15.03 | mnemoc | but should be possible |
| 09:15.11 | RaYmAn | but yeah - not that important :P |
| 09:15.29 | RaYmAn | also, opengles2 just requires an EGL implementation that can create a window without x to run straight on fb |
| 09:15.37 | mnemoc | cat_x301: if you pick "brown or silver" it falls to $53 |
| 09:20.15 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: E17 supports GL and fb... |
| 09:20.18 | RaYmAn | anyone have that link for the xbmc? |
| 09:20.27 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: GLES? |
| 09:20.50 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: I think so |
| 09:20.54 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: https://github.com/empatzero/xbmca10/commits/master |
| 09:21.00 | RaYmAn | ah, yeah -that was it |
| 09:21.07 | RaYmAn | couldn't find it on arm-netbook mailing list |
| 09:21.10 | mnemoc | last commit include all the a10 related stuff |
| 09:26.21 | mnemoc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf5-Prx19ZM <--- amazing ad from samsung mocking apple fanboys :p |
| 09:30.47 | andoma | the GL libs to run opengl directly on the FB .. where can I find those? |
| 09:31.35 | RaYmAn | i guess they are in the lubuntu image he mentions |
| 09:31.43 | andoma | yeah probably |
| 09:32.12 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: looks as decent tablet! |
| 09:32.14 | RaYmAn | i dont think anyone has redone it yet |
| 09:35.01 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400#r2p4 only has a link for armhf bins... and to use cedarx they need to be armel^Warmv4 |
| 09:35.24 | mnemoc | if you extract them from the image, please add it to the wiki page |
| 09:36.23 | mnemoc | cat_x301: very good for the price, and you get the same SoC we are hacking ;-) |
| 09:36.53 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: very true! |
| 09:37.04 | andoma | mnemoc: will do .. i might have a stab at it tonight |
| 09:37.14 | mnemoc | andoma: great! |
| 09:38.37 | andoma | ftr i'm the lead dev of a mediaplayer called showtime (http://www.lonelycoder.com/showtime/) and i was thinking of getting it running on my mk802 (preferrably without X) |
| 09:39.53 | mnemoc | hope he makes bindings to something others can use too, like gst, ffmpeg or libva |
| 09:40.22 | mnemoc | hates player-specific bindings |
| 09:42.39 | lundman | empatzero has no binary to quick test? if he needs space for downloads I can help |
| 09:49.32 | RaYmAn | he mentions he uses armel opengl libraries from https://github.com/cnxsoft/a10-bin |
| 09:50.20 | mnemoc | and which cedarx libs exactly? |
| 09:50.53 | RaYmAn | no idea |
| 09:51.06 | RaYmAn | I'm only really interested in the opengles part of it |
| 09:52.05 | mnemoc | :) |
| 09:52.18 | RaYmAn | but it does sound like any glibc gl libraries would work |
| 09:52.43 | lundman | there is a depend file in git |
| 09:53.28 | lundman | https://github.com/empatzero/xbmca10/tree/master/tools/a10/depends |
| 09:54.14 | lundman | sigh, wget from dropbox.. yuck.. if he wants, I can provide storage |
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| 11:16.58 | merbanan | mnemoc: his xbmc patch has a script to download some cedarx libs |
| 11:20.52 | mnemoc | merbanan: ah, nice |
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| 12:15.56 | specing | Erm |
| 12:16.09 | specing | Olimex is selling over farnell too? |
| 12:16.36 | specing | just got an imx olinuxino advert in his mailbox |
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| 12:24.24 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 12:38.38 | naguirre | mnemoc: did you tried e17 with the a10 ? |
| 12:39.04 | naguirre | btw e17 doesn't support fb |
| 12:39.19 | naguirre | EFL does, but e17 is the wm |
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| 12:40.04 | mnemoc | haven't tried, but considering e17 uses EFL, shouldn't that give it fb support for free? |
| 12:40.36 | naguirre | e17 deal with X |
| 12:40.46 | mnemoc | ah, ok |
| 12:41.37 | mnemoc | i thought ...edge? would abstract that for it |
| 12:41.59 | mnemoc | evas |
| 12:42.03 | naguirre | you mean edje ? edje is the theme engine |
| 12:42.26 | mnemoc | too many esomething names, got confused |
| 12:42.59 | mnemoc | s/edge/evas/ :) |
| 12:43.09 | naguirre | evas works with gles, x11, gl_x11, gl_cocoa |
| 12:43.30 | naguirre | and even widnows stuff (direct draw and gdi) |
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| 12:44.02 | naguirre | evas only display pixels |
| 12:44.05 | naguirre | it's the canvas enfine |
| 12:44.17 | naguirre | if you wan to create a window you need ecore |
| 12:44.29 | naguirre | and ecore deel with fb, x11, win32, cocoa |
| 12:44.41 | naguirre | and wayland |
| 12:44.48 | mnemoc | nice :) |
| 12:45.13 | naguirre | but e17 uses ecore_x, for windows management |
| 12:45.37 | naguirre | do you can have e17 on top of fb |
| 12:45.44 | naguirre | s/do/so |
| 12:45.54 | mnemoc | using x11/fb in the middle |
| 12:46.13 | naguirre | but efl apps works fine in both env |
| 12:46.42 | naguirre | actually i tried elementary on A10 with with fb only and it works fine |
| 12:46.54 | naguirre | it would be better with gles tough |
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| 13:02.22 | naguirre | xbmc works on a10 + linux with this repo ? https://github.com/empatzero/xbmca10/ |
| 13:02.39 | naguirre | a10 + linux + x11 + gles ? |
| 13:03.02 | phh | not x11 |
| 13:03.04 | phh | but yes |
| 13:04.22 | naguirre | hum, so gles + fb ? |
| 13:05.49 | phh | yes |
| 13:05.54 | phh | hum |
| 13:05.57 | phh | i'm not totally sure it's fb |
| 13:06.25 | naguirre | ah maybe with sdl |
| 13:07.57 | phh | well sdl has to access to something |
| 13:08.09 | phh | usually it's x11 |
| 13:08.36 | CIA-15 | rhombus-tech: wzdd master * r8c0df9939640 /allwinner_a10/orders/wzdd_.mdwn: |
| 13:09.57 | CIA-15 | rhombus-tech: wzdd master * r8d1b8e869158 /allwinner_a10/orders/wzdd_.mdwn: |
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| 13:34.31 | WarheadsSE | cute |
| 13:39.18 | RaYmAn | I checked the source/includes, and it seems that ARM is explicitly providing the ability to run on fbdev |
| 13:39.32 | CIA-15 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r7a7ddb4cb48a / (allwinner_a10.mdwn allwinner_a10/source_code.mdwn): add G2D link |
| 13:43.25 | WarheadsSE | I should be getting back to this next week, which will be good |
| 13:53.34 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 13:56.47 | Turl | anyone in need of 0.99USD com/net/org? https://twitter.com/Namecheap/statuses/248471361780060160 |
| 13:57.29 | mnemoc | uh |
| 13:57.53 | RaYmAn | are namecheap any good? |
| 13:58.06 | Turl | they were voted best on lifehacker |
| 13:58.16 | RaYmAn | when? |
| 13:58.18 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 13:58.43 | Turl | http://lifehacker.com/5943452/five-best-domain-name-registrars |
| 13:58.47 | Turl | this same month :P |
| 13:59.18 | Turl | I have one domain with them, so far no issues |
| 14:01.07 | mnemoc | $1 first year, $15 after that and $30 for transfering :p |
| 14:01.42 | Turl | in any case, 1+15=16 |
| 14:01.51 | Turl | but I doubt they'll want 15 :P |
| 14:02.08 | mnemoc | :) |
| 14:02.28 | mnemoc | registrars always manage to screw you :< |
| 14:03.10 | Turl | godaddy is the king when it comes to that |
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| 14:03.44 | WarheadsSE | has 3 domains on namecheap |
| 14:09.30 | mnemoc | WarheadsSE: how long? |
| 14:10.33 | mnemoc | i'm sick of 1&1 |
| 14:12.49 | WarheadsSE | mnemoc: eh, 6 years? |
| 14:13.07 | mnemoc | sounds good :) |
| 14:13.27 | WarheadsSE | added on recently with their last $0.99USD promotion |
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| 14:21.40 | empat0 | lundman: my reply got stucked in spam filter? |
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| 14:38.45 | Marex | specing: imx olinuxino ? you mean mxs, no ? |
| 14:38.55 | Marex | hno: hey, how's the upstream push prep going ? |
| 14:44.27 | mnemoc | imx233 |
| 14:44.34 | Marex | that's mxs ;-) |
| 14:44.52 | Marex | mx-sigmatel |
| 14:44.54 | mnemoc | :) |
| 14:44.59 | Marex | imx == mx freescale |
| 14:45.36 | mnemoc | uh |
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| 14:52.12 | RaYmAn | Marex: it's imx. https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/iMX233/ |
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| 20:10.45 | naguirre | i'm reading this page http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_boot_process/ |
| 20:11.00 | naguirre | and i'm wondering if there is a recovery process for the mele |
| 20:13.30 | mnemoc | sure, you can always boot from SD or FEL (usb) and "unbrick" it |
| 20:13.50 | naguirre | yes byt without SD or usb ? |
| 20:14.11 | naguirre | i'm thinking about a way to unbrick from another nand partition |
| 20:14.47 | naguirre | i mean i have one |
| 20:14.52 | naguirre | system |
| 20:14.59 | mnemoc | usually that done with "dual booting" |
| 20:15.05 | naguirre | and another with recovery |
| 20:15.50 | naguirre | yes but there is a button or something to boot to the second system ? |
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| 20:16.03 | naguirre | or to tell the bootloader to swith on the recovery partition |
| 20:16.16 | mnemoc | the stock bootloader knows to read buttons to choose what to boot |
| 20:16.20 | mnemoc | but not the open uboot |
| 20:16.23 | cde | can unbrick with jtag, or http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=16775 |
| 20:16.47 | mnemoc | he wants something more human-friendly |
| 20:16.50 | naguirre | yeah :) |
| 20:17.03 | naguirre | and without ssd |
| 20:17.05 | naguirre | sd |
| 20:17.10 | naguirre | or usb |
| 20:17.40 | mnemoc | naguirre: assuming you are aiming at using the open source boot chain, you would need to add support to uboot to read the buttons |
| 20:18.01 | cde | if u-boot works then it's not bricked |
| 20:18.04 | naguirre | ah so there is a button :) |
| 20:18.30 | naguirre | cde: no bricked in usual way, in user way, i mean if something goes wronf during update |
| 20:18.48 | naguirre | i wnat a way to come back to production version |
| 20:19.16 | naguirre | mnemoc: ok, i already to this kind of stuff in uboot |
| 20:19.49 | naguirre | you are talking about the button on the right side of the mele ? |
| 20:19.50 | cde | just provide a tools that creates a "factory reinstall" sd |
| 20:21.18 | naguirre | i don't want to use sd card |
| 20:21.36 | mnemoc | naguirre: the mele in particular only has the power button, so you do need a recovery card |
| 20:21.37 | naguirre | if i understand correctly as long as the first nand sector is readable, you are able to boot something |
| 20:22.04 | mnemoc | SD and FEL by pass the nand booting entirely |
| 20:22.08 | mnemoc | bypass* |
| 20:22.15 | hno | naguirre, mele only have a power button. |
| 20:22.17 | naguirre | yep |
| 20:22.21 | naguirre | ok |
| 20:22.31 | naguirre | but it seems the power button doesn't work for me |
| 20:22.50 | naguirre | to power up i just need to plug AC power |
| 20:22.55 | hno | i don't thing you can enter recovery mode with it. |
| 20:23.12 | mnemoc | it's probably connected to the AXP |
| 20:23.21 | naguirre | what's the AXP ? |
| 20:23.39 | mnemoc | AXP209, power managemnt unit chip |
| 20:23.45 | hno | that's normal. You can push the power button for 12 seconds to power off if you like. och a quick push to suspend/resume. |
| 20:24.08 | naguirre | ah ok |
| 20:25.10 | hno | be warned that the 12 seconds is a hard power off, pretty much equivalent to pulling the power. So don't do any operations involving I/O while doing that. |
| 20:25.25 | naguirre | yep i see |
| 20:26.02 | hno | phoenixcard is the official recovery for mele. |
| 20:26.28 | hno | a specially prepared SD card which reflashes the device. |
| 20:27.05 | hno | prepared from Android firmware image + phoenixcard tool. |
| 20:27.06 | naguirre | there is IO on the mele ? |
| 20:27.31 | hno | There is NAND, and plenty of USB ports where you can connect storage. |
| 20:27.33 | naguirre | for example could i use Rx/Tx of the debug lines for IO ? |
| 20:28.11 | hno | Sure, the "debug" lines are just an UART. |
| 20:28.30 | mnemoc | naguirre: if you need GPIOs you are better off with an a10/a13-olinuxino or a cubieboard |
| 20:28.43 | hno | if in that mode then you also have about 10 pads which can be used for various I/O functions of GPIO. |
| 20:28.49 | naguirre | mnemoc: i need spdif |
| 20:29.23 | naguirre | and i need rca Audio also |
| 20:29.26 | naguirre | and wifi |
| 20:29.45 | mnemoc | extension board maybe? |
| 20:29.47 | naguirre | cubieboard is a good candidate, with an expansion board |
| 20:30.05 | naguirre | but mele is finally the best choice for the price |
| 20:30.48 | naguirre | i looking at olinuxino |
| 20:31.00 | mnemoc | you can most probably use part of the USB OTG and UART0 headers as GPIO |
| 20:31.11 | mnemoc | in the mele |
| 20:31.26 | naguirre | ok, and add code in uboot to detect |
| 20:31.41 | hno | for what purpose? |
| 20:31.47 | naguirre | recovery :) |
| 20:32.04 | naguirre | sdcard is finally the best choice ;) |
| 20:32.05 | hno | you have the u-boot console on uart0. |
| 20:32.20 | naguirre | yeah i don't want to loose it |
| 20:32.36 | hno | from the u-boot console you can easily boot recovery. |
| 20:33.10 | naguirre | yep that not the problem, the problem is enter in this mode |
| 20:33.21 | mnemoc | he wants a grandma to be able to do it |
| 20:33.25 | naguirre | and i would like an external way to do so |
| 20:33.31 | naguirre | haha exactly:) |
| 20:33.42 | hno | then teach u-boot to read the power button is probably the best. |
| 20:34.11 | hno | if you want internal recovery from recovery partition. Otherwise SD card based recovery. |
| 20:34.16 | naguirre | yep |
| 20:34.36 | hno | the power button is just a button unless you hold it for long. |
| 20:34.52 | naguirre | ok that's good to know |
| 20:35.02 | naguirre | thanks for help |
| 20:35.41 | naguirre | ah and another question, there is a way to change the LED from uboot and from linux ? |
| 20:35.55 | naguirre | or it's directly connected to vcc ? |
| 20:36.52 | mnemoc | phoneix card based installers make it blink red |
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| 20:37.33 | mnemoc | and something in the gpl violating kernel turns it blue before reaching userspace |
| 20:37.50 | naguirre | gpl violating kernel :) |
| 20:38.16 | mnemoc | "stock kernel" :) |
| 20:38.32 | naguirre | but no classic led driver |
| 20:38.53 | mnemoc | not yet |
| 20:39.26 | naguirre | ok |
| 20:39.46 | naguirre | and another question, what's behind nand driver ? |
| 20:40.05 | naguirre | i can't see any mtd layer |
| 20:40.19 | mnemoc | it's fully home grown |
| 20:40.42 | hno | not sure it's home grown. But sure, it's not mtd. |
| 20:40.53 | naguirre | ah :) |
| 20:41.10 | naguirre | so no way to get ubi running on it |
| 20:41.22 | naguirre | how it deals with bad blocks ? |
| 20:41.43 | hno | exactly how is unknown, but it deos deal with bad blocks. |
| 20:41.56 | hno | and do wear leveling etc. |
| 20:42.09 | naguirre | ah ok fine |
| 20:42.20 | RaYmAn | wear elvelling is done in the driver at least - probably most bad block handling as well |
| 20:42.28 | hno | yes |
| 20:42.32 | naguirre | ouch |
| 20:42.45 | naguirre | ubi is so good for that |
| 20:42.45 | mnemoc | tom mentioned the developers of that driver considered mtd obsolete and that's why the invented their own... |
| 20:42.54 | naguirre | mtd obsolete ? |
| 20:43.18 | hno | obsolete in the sense that it's not good for hosting a fat filesystem. |
| 20:43.32 | naguirre | fat16 you mean ;) |
| 20:43.53 | naguirre | ok :) |
| 20:44.26 | naguirre | bon conclusion, pour le recovery, le plus simple reste la carte sd |
| 20:44.51 | naguirre | 8h sorry :) |
| 20:44.52 | hno | kan bara gissa vad du menar. |
| 20:45.56 | naguirre | usb host is working in uboot ? |
| 20:46.12 | hno | no |
| 20:46.19 | naguirre | ok |
| 20:47.45 | hno | Actually no USB driver at all in the free u-boot, but even in the allwinnerized u-boot there is only fastboot device mode implemented. |
| 20:48.03 | hno | the driver do support host mode however, but not integrated in u-boot. |
| 20:48.14 | naguirre | ok |
| 20:48.27 | hno | exact sane druver as for the kernel, only different glue layer. |
| 20:48.39 | hno | s/dru/dri/ |
| 20:49.19 | hno | can't type tonight either. Switching between two slightly different keyboards hurts. |
| 20:52.42 | RaYmAn | mtd does seem kind of stale..last I checked it hardly supported any recent nand chips (including the one on a13-olinuxino) |
| 20:53.01 | RaYmAn | everyone is mostly switching to eMMC, so I guess it is kind of obsolete? :P |
| 20:53.59 | hno | for good reasons. Much easier to deal with a block device than NAND erase blocks. |
| 20:54.32 | hno | plus that the eMMC is far more compact. |
| 20:56.04 | hno | I don't see much reason why one should design for bare NAND today. |
| 20:57.41 | mnemoc | job security? |
| 21:00.14 | destinal | lol |
| 21:09.27 | hno | Wonder if tom also prepared pads for eMMC. I think you can fit pads for SD, eMMC and NAND at the same location without too much effort. |
| 21:09.49 | hno | providing choice without having to redo the PCB. |
| 21:46.53 | destinal | hno: which board are we talking about? |
| 21:51.47 | mnemoc | destinal: the cubieboard |
| 21:53.55 | hno | I know he prepared the board for a choice of uSD 2 or NAND. |
| 21:55.40 | mnemoc | yes |
| 21:59.14 | hno | mnemoc, do you remember where is those early prototype pictures are? |
| 22:00.38 | mnemoc | july's prototype was published on G+... but not longer there |
| 22:02.17 | hno | It's there in his blog. |
| 22:03.01 | hno | Ah, limited sharing. |
| 22:06.37 | hno | but NAND already mounted there. Can't tell if there is eMMC pads. |
| 22:11.13 | destinal | mnemoc: ah I didn't realize tom was making his own board |
| 22:11.38 | mnemoc | destinal: mine already left .hk :) |
| 22:25.03 | mnemoc | good night |
| 22:25.32 | hno | Yes, good idea. Good night. |
| 22:30.36 | hno | Not sure where mine is. Last status is "2012-09-19 18:27:01Posted through Sweden Post" |
| 22:32.22 | RaYmAn | probably stuck in customs |
| 22:33.24 | hno | customs is within sweden post after it arrives here. |
| 22:34.06 | RaYmAn | I assumed posted through sweden post meant that it had been passed on to sweden post, but I guess I might be wrong |
| 22:34.34 | hno | It does, but they also include their tracking, but there is none. |
| 22:35.14 | hno | I think there was similar indications when he shipped the mele so not worried yet for some days. |
| 22:36.07 | hno | there is a tracking number for sweden post as well, but not recognised. |
| 22:37.45 | hno | I do remember clearly that sweden post did show that the mele had arrived in Stockholm and then sat on the package for 8 days. |
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