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| 03:56.02 | Shivan | Hi |
| 03:56.44 | Shivan | i remember that some time ago someone was talking about the Ingenic JZ4770 |
| 03:58.14 | Shivan | In my attempt of running Linux on it i come up to this page http://www.ingenic.cn/product.aspx?ID=62 |
| 04:03.03 | Shivan | What calls my atention is the source code for the Mplayer, mplayer-hq-jz4770-20111220-r13.tar.bz2 |
| 04:07.05 | Shivan | With it seems to have the source code for the videos libs needed for hardware decode |
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| 05:13.21 | mSquare | Where can i locate list of allwinner-a10 tablet manufacturers, specs, prices ? Any clues? |
| 05:20.50 | ZaEarl | mSquare, here's a couple: http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/tablet-pc-allwinner-a10.html |
| 05:22.26 | mSquare | ZaEarl: cool..thanks.. |
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| 07:01.11 | mnemoc | techn: do you have a serial console on that device? linux or android? |
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| 07:27.33 | mnemoc | techn: btw, did you know http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~marcheu/lgd/tree/ ? |
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| 13:16.45 | rm | got my U-Host :3 |
| 13:16.55 | rm | what photos don't tell you, it's not cheap plastic as it looks like, |
| 13:17.36 | hipboi | rm: hehe |
| 13:17.37 | rm | but some kind of soft-rubber coating |
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| 13:17.49 | rm | making it feel like something of really high class |
| 13:17.59 | rm | I believe this is called "soft-touch" |
| 13:18.32 | hipboi | because of the "ugly look", very few people buy it |
| 13:18.56 | rm | it looks and feels 1000% better in real life than on the photos |
| 13:19.35 | RITRedbeard | I imagine the photos feel like celluloid. |
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| 13:36.54 | mnemoc | rm: nice :) |
| 14:06.23 | xxiao1 | intel's new atom, clover trail, will not work with linux, as it needs to be win8 only |
| 14:06.55 | xxiao1 | this is probably the first time i heard a IC vendor states loudly that its chip will not work with certain OS |
| 14:15.38 | mnemoc | :o |
| 14:17.13 | jelly-home | xxiao1: there have already been atom mainboards which had disabled long mode because 64bit windows did not work on them |
| 14:17.47 | jelly-home | your atom cpu has 64bit? You want to run 64bit linux on this HTPC board? Tough |
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| 14:36.18 | traeak | the whole think is that powervr sucks, imageon sucks and they need to be removed from the market |
| 14:36.32 | traeak | next version of atom will dump powervr in favor of intel's own video core |
| 14:36.46 | traeak | so i guess they dont' want to sink resources into that atom or something |
| 14:36.58 | traeak | interesting question, but i'm sure MS is a bad guy here as well |
| 14:37.09 | traeak | it's probably best to avoid atom altoghether at this point |
| 14:37.20 | traeak | it brings nothing new that was around in 2008 |
| 14:37.27 | traeak | with atom i mean |
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| 14:55.03 | xxiao1 | atom's architect was laid off due to its failure, somehow intel still keeps releasing new atoms |
| 14:55.43 | xxiao1 | anyways i don't use atom for anything other than my netbook |
| 14:56.41 | traeak | what is "failure" to them? |
| 14:56.51 | traeak | i mean they grabbed mindshare in a market that wasn't there |
| 14:56.57 | traeak | and essentially destroyed it |
| 14:57.06 | traeak | befoe someone else could develop it |
| 14:57.29 | traeak | defensive strategy |
| 14:57.33 | xxiao1 | certain atom was shot for smartphone... |
| 14:57.51 | xxiao1 | which never happened. |
| 14:58.04 | traeak | intel didn't realize the demand for netbooks |
| 14:58.29 | traeak | which IMHO is still there, they just need to actually upgrade those damn cpus |
| 14:58.55 | xxiao1 | thinks netbook is better than tablets in many places |
| 14:58.58 | traeak | ie: my original acer aspire ones areperformance wise on par with the netbooks sold today |
| 14:59.24 | traeak | although i have to admit an 11.6 or 12.1" screen is probably most practical |
| 14:59.42 | traeak | i do have this nokia 3g netbook with 12??x720 screen |
| 14:59.46 | traeak | that's actually a nice machine |
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| 15:00.21 | traeak | after the last plane trip i'm afraid an 11.6 might be too big for that |
| 15:00.50 | traeak | 9 hour battery is very nice though |
| 15:01.37 | xxiao1 | which is the No.1 reason i bought netbook, to use on airplane when there was no power outlet back then |
| 15:01.47 | traeak | i recently saw an atom/ion hp 11.6 for 170usd |
| 15:01.57 | xxiao1 | nowadays some airplane provides outlets |
| 15:02.06 | traeak | international flights |
| 15:02.09 | traeak | domestic well... |
| 15:04.41 | jinzo_ | btw: they're actually mass producing/shipping some Intel based smartphones |
| 15:04.51 | traeak | medfield |
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| 15:05.23 | jinzo_ | I'we been hearing they're quite good for the price. |
| 15:05.37 | jinzo_ | but I would guess Intel doesen't make any money on it at the moment |
| 15:05.44 | traeak | yeah probaly subsidized |
| 15:07.19 | traeak | and tons of competition |
| 15:07.24 | traeak | how many arm soc manufacturers are there? |
| 15:07.40 | traeak | intel vs all of them |
| 15:08.32 | jinzo_ | but not that many of them (in the smartphone market let's say) drive innovation/have big research teams |
| 15:08.55 | traeak | that would be arm themselves |
| 15:09.22 | jinzo_ | still, nvidia, quallcom, TI, samsung,... are doing their own R&D to some degree |
| 15:09.36 | jinzo_ | to differentiate themselfs from other ARM manufacturers |
| 15:09.42 | traeak | intel has one millstone around their neck |
| 15:09.50 | traeak | their profitabilty historically has been amazing |
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| 15:10.03 | traeak | i think for the soc market it's not nearly so... |
| 15:10.08 | jinzo_ | and they can do some preatty good R&D and products if they have to. |
| 15:12.04 | jinzo_ | on the other hand you have IBM & hynix with memristor sheningans... bah. |
| 15:15.14 | traeak | ahh turning market on its head |
| 15:15.15 | traeak | good things |
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| 15:20.39 | jinzo_ | yeah, but postponing that for 1 years so the current buisness doesen't get a big blow sucks. |
| 15:32.03 | traeak | we need more competition in the market |
| 15:32.34 | traeak | "if you aren't willing to cannibalize your own market someone else will do it for you" |
| 15:32.42 | traeak | that's a good environment to be in typically |
| 15:32.47 | traeak | for consumers especially |
| 15:32.56 | traeak | patent bullshit |
| 15:38.07 | jelly-home | hah, hynix is playing multiple fields apparently |
| 15:38.26 | jelly-home | "SK hynix is pursuing Phase-Change Memory (PCM) with IBM, MRAM (magnetic RAM) with Toshiba, and memristors (resistive RAM or ReRAM) with HP" |
| 15:40.17 | jinzo_ | yeah, and they delayed the technology because they wanted to phase out their memory products without too much risk/loss. |
| 15:40.23 | traeak | of course |
| 15:40.48 | traeak | well they can afford to sit on their patents since they are absurdly long for modern tech markets |
| 15:41.02 | traeak | product cycles now are months |
| 15:41.19 | traeak | in the 1800's i think product cycles were years if not decades |
| 15:41.32 | traeak | probably years |
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| 16:22.15 | techn | mnemoc: should adb work with default a13 kernel cfg? |
| 16:23.39 | mnemoc | never tried it |
| 16:24.08 | mnemoc | iirc in 3.0-v2/sun4i_crane_defconfig works |
| 16:24.33 | mnemoc | in 3.4 we don't have usb gadget at all yet |
| 16:32.31 | xxiao1 | . .bashrc failed to work on ubuntu 12.04? . ./.bashrc works fine |
| 16:32.35 | xxiao1 | never saw this before |
| 16:34.15 | mnemoc | weird |
| 16:43.51 | techn | mnemoc: CONFIG_ANDROID_RAM_CONSOLE_EARLY_INIT=y in sun5i cfg, sun4i has not set |
| 16:44.43 | techn | mnemoc: should usb work drivers work with a13? :) |
| 16:45.43 | mnemoc | usb host works just fine in my olinuxino... |
| 16:46.39 | techn | how about slave? |
| 16:48.32 | mnemoc | never tried it |
| 16:48.43 | mnemoc | neither on sun4i |
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| 16:55.54 | techn | found couple differences which could matter |
| 16:58.25 | mnemoc | want to unify the driver? :) |
| 16:58.57 | techn | no.. just cfg differences :) |
| 16:59.19 | techn | but ofcourse it could help if we could use same cfg |
| 17:02.27 | techn | hmm.. our usb gadget android is broken? |
| 17:03.35 | techn | no it's usb ether.c |
| 17:04.19 | mnemoc | it needs to be reimplemented, they hacked slave support directly into gadget/android.c |
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| 20:01.21 | CIA-17 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r793b1ccab5f8 /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus |
| 20:01.21 | CIA-17 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r48d0054f0326 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (.mdwn not_valid/pochy.mdwn not_valid/x09.mdwn x09.mdwn): order processing cleanup |
| 20:01.21 | CIA-17 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rfb6c78b56011 /allwinner_a10/orders/Straiker.mdwn: order processing cleanup |
| 20:11.10 | CIA-17 | rhombus-tech: http://robertmaksytov.livejournal.com/ master * r3968975d440a /allwinner_a10/orders/Straiker.mdwn: |
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| 21:03.47 | eflatun | hi i am trying to make a bootable sd card for my miniX from miniand.com. their mk802 images didnt worked for me and they dont respond me |
| 21:04.14 | eflatun | so i took the http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_mmc_boot/ page |
| 21:05.02 | eflatun | while compiling the kernel (make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage step) there is an ero |
| 21:05.32 | eflatun | eror like |
| 21:05.34 | eflatun | arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm/standby.S: Assembler messages: |
| 21:05.35 | eflatun | arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm/standby.S:3: Error: file not found: arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm/standby/standby.code |
| 21:05.37 | eflatun | make[2]: *** [arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm/standby.o] Hata 1 |
| 21:05.38 | eflatun | make[1]: *** [arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm] Hata 2 |
| 21:05.40 | eflatun | make: *** [arch/arm/mach-sun4i] Hata 2 |
| 21:05.55 | eflatun | can anyone help me |
| 21:10.07 | rz2k | what branch are you using? |
| 21:10.25 | rz2k | also, do this happen when you are using -j option or not? |
| 21:11.30 | eflatun | ehat do you mean with branch |
| 21:11.57 | rz2k | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_mmc_boot/ suggests you to use github.com/allwinner/ which is wrong, you need to use https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner |
| 21:12.13 | rz2k | somebody, update the rhombus wiki already :/ |
| 21:12.45 | eflatun | should i go over all steps |
| 21:12.56 | techn | I'm using cnx software scripts.. they seem to work pretty nice, with couple modifications.. |
| 21:13.47 | rz2k | yeah, if you are not familiar with building the kernel you can download daily build from http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/nightly/latest/ |
| 21:14.03 | techn | https://github.com/cnxsoft/a10-tools |
| 21:14.16 | eflatun | let me to try to that repo thank for reply |
| 21:14.31 | techn | and I'm using mk802 config |
| 21:14.35 | rz2k | eflatun: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/13/hardware-packs-for-allwinner-a10-devices-and-easier-method-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-12-04-sd-card/ read "Creating a bootable Ubuntu 12.04 SD card for Mele A1000, MK802, MINI X…" |
| 21:14.36 | techn | on Minix |
| 21:14.55 | eflatun | wow fast link you say |
| 21:15.48 | eflatun | i will consider the options |
| 21:15.55 | rz2k | dont download hwpacks from dropbox links though, use new ones from http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/nightly/latest/ |
| 21:16.16 | rz2k | that article is somewhat old. |
| 21:17.17 | techn | but still valid.. atleast almost :) |
| 21:17.36 | mnemoc | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/20/nightly-builds-for-allwinner-a10-u-boot-linux-kernel-and-hardware-packs/ |
| 21:17.43 | mnemoc | that's the latest |
| 21:17.44 | techn | just check if new versions are available |
| 21:17.58 | rz2k | eflatun: also check this wiki http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page it will answer your futher questions (probably). |
| 21:18.16 | techn | like latest linaro-alib-ubuntu was released end of last month |
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| 21:40.58 | techn | hmm.. I got pinguing when I enabled logo :/ |
| 21:41.28 | techn | and android console still not working |
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