| 00:00.20 | Turl | ham, spam? http://linux-sunxi.org/index.php?title=User:Steijnhunter921&rcid=1072 |
| 00:38.22 | Marex | hno: please CC me on the A10 u-boot patches when you start submission |
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| 07:27.16 | cat_x301 | morning; how do i attach patch in github issue tracker? |
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| 07:28.56 | jinzo_ | cat_x301, probably it would be good to create a pull request and reference that |
| 07:29.16 | hno | probably works mailing it as an attachment. |
| 07:29.22 | jinzo_ | but I'm quite new around here so I wouldn't know exactly how it goes here |
| 07:29.56 | cat_x301 | hno: mailing to arm-netbook list? |
| 07:31.14 | cat_x301 | thinks that pull request would be too "heavy" for single patch :) |
| 07:31.24 | hno | cat_x301, file the issue, then respond via email on issue tracker email message you receive from github. |
| 07:32.26 | cat_x301 | hno: yeah, that was my intention. but then i started to doubt whether i see my own reply as a mail or not. |
| 07:32.56 | hno | I think you do. But not 100% sure. |
| 07:34.24 | cat_x301 | has not received yet notification about newly created issue.. |
| 07:35.41 | hno | the printk duplicated messages one? |
| 07:37.00 | cat_x301 | hno: yup |
| 07:37.32 | hno | responded so you should get my response at least. |
| 07:38.29 | cat_x301 | hno: got yours, none of mine howerver.. |
| 07:40.19 | mnemoc | you don't get notified for your own actions |
| 07:41.16 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: i learned it already :) |
| 07:41.53 | mnemoc | :-) |
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| 07:46.48 | hno | mnemoc, or anyone else, can you please say something. Doing a little test. |
| 07:47.12 | mnemoc | on the ticket? |
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| 07:48.52 | hno | Hmm.. ok. More testing needed at other time. |
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| 07:50.48 | mnemoc | hno: :-) |
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| 08:27.44 | cat_x301 | still don't get how github tracker works: i replied hno's comment, but reply did not appear as a comment.. |
| 08:32.06 | hno | that should work. |
| 08:33.53 | RaYmAn | email comments are sometimes delayed a bit on github |
| 08:35.46 | cat_x301 | RaYmAn: ok |
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| 08:49.00 | mnemoc | lkcl: hi. didn't you say the last time the croudfunding topic was raised that you didn't need/want it? |
| 09:12.28 | cheng | why for a10 sd-card boot, we do not need uInitrd while using uboot-multi-allwinner (https://github.com/a10linux/uboot-multi-allwinner/wiki/README.nand-ICS) require a uInitrd? |
| 09:15.05 | mnemoc | the need or not need of an early userspace mostly depends on what the chosen userspace's init expects to find and if your kernel has the enough modules built in to be able to find your root partition or not |
| 09:15.14 | hno | cheng, uInitrd is not needed unless you want it. Depends on what modules you build in kernel and where you have the root (i.e. a rescue boot usually have the root in an initrd) |
| 09:16.23 | hno | for a SoC you usually hae everything needed for finding the root built-in to the kernel not as modules. |
| 09:18.25 | mnemoc | and that's why the dependency of sunxi-disp in ump is awful as hell |
| 09:18.38 | cheng | so as long as kernel have driver to internal nand flash or sd-card (that contain root file system), initrd will not require? |
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| 09:18.47 | mnemoc | correct |
| 09:19.05 | mnemoc | and the filesystem driver |
| 09:19.11 | hno | mnemoc, you don't need disp to find the root. |
| 09:19.41 | mnemoc | hno: you need it to see something on the screen... like a boot log ;-) |
| 09:20.03 | mnemoc | having fbcon makes me greedy |
| 09:20.21 | mnemoc | no penguin no joy |
| 09:20.38 | hno | prefers uart. Can't copy-paste from fbcon. |
| 09:20.53 | mnemoc | true |
| 09:24.51 | mnemoc | hno: btw, what is your opinion regarding a dedicated ML for linux/uboot/cedarX/... on sunxi? |
| 09:26.25 | mnemoc | for patches and tech discussions.... not sure if it's me... but arm-netbook's list feels like a totally wrong place for that |
| 09:26.54 | RaYmAn | it probably wouldn't be bad to have a dedicated patch discussion list |
| 09:34.27 | hipboi | hno: i just noticed your post in u-boot ml |
| 09:36.05 | hipboi | i want a ML to review patches |
| 09:36.19 | hipboi | there is never code review in allwinner |
| 09:37.42 | Marex | hno: you can! ;-) |
| 09:38.15 | Marex | hno: you can dump the framebuffer via jtag ;-) |
| 09:38.57 | cat_x301 | hipboi: +1 to ML |
| 09:39.21 | Marex | hipboi: for U-Boot patches, just submit through the U-Boot ML |
| 09:39.24 | lundman | hmm |
| 09:39.36 | Marex | hipboi: I said it already and I'll say it again ... Cc me, I'll rip you to shreds ;-) |
| 09:39.47 | lundman | yu have seen the wiki for u-boot patches, and the patch check script? |
| 09:39.49 | Marex | but we'll forge then in a bit |
| 09:39.54 | Marex | lundman: checkpatch.pl |
| 09:40.09 | lundman | great, great |
| 09:40.19 | Marex | lundman: but wiki is really crap, just submit them, don't hesitate |
| 09:40.48 | lundman | well, if you search for my name on the ML, you'll see my journey :) |
| 09:40.58 | hipboi | Marex: i think hno should be the better person to submit the patches to the u-boot ML |
| 09:42.38 | cat_x301 | Marex: it would be good to have internal pre-review+signoff before spamming upstream ;) |
| 09:43.05 | hipboi | i think so |
| 09:43.06 | grevaillot | gerrit :) ? |
| 09:43.38 | Marex | cat_x301: just send it upstream |
| 09:44.00 | Marex | cat_x301: I'm glad you're so considerate, but we're really used to people spamming us with crap patches |
| 09:44.11 | hipboi | : D |
| 09:44.28 | cat_x301 | Marex: :) |
| 09:44.30 | Marex | lundman: on the u-boot ml ? |
| 09:44.58 | hipboi | lundman has contributed the zfs in u-boot |
| 09:45.00 | lundman | yep, its ok, it was accepted in the end, pleased |
| 09:45.16 | Marex | hipboi: there's nothing to worry about, some people can be a bit more into the technical part and omit the human part, but you'll get used to it |
| 09:45.29 | Marex | lundman: zfs ?! |
| 09:45.34 | lundman | zfs! |
| 09:45.43 | Marex | oh man, now I see it |
| 09:45.47 | Marex | I was involved iirc |
| 09:45.48 | lundman | its the 21st century, nobody should have to make do with something less than zfs |
| 09:45.49 | Marex | heh |
| 09:45.54 | lundman | mind you, nobody shoul dhave to starve |
| 09:46.11 | lundman | you were yep :) |
| 09:50.54 | hipboi | time for dinner |
| 09:51.11 | Marex | lundman: yea ... sorry 'bout that, we're a bit congested with the patches that don't belong to any subsystem maintainer ... and we don't have FS maintainer now ;/ |
| 09:51.28 | Marex | hipboi: bon appetit, I just had a breakfast :p |
| 09:52.26 | lundman | it doesn't matter if it goes through in the end. Compared to the mplayer guys who have never accepted patches |
| 09:52.36 | lundman | even after you remove spaces from the end of lines :) |
| 09:53.27 | lundman | anyone here looked at IPTV, LIME / ITU-T H.762, ipv6 multicast etc? |
| 09:53.30 | Marex | lundman: it is actually a problem, because our patchwork backlog is growing |
| 09:53.35 | lundman | wondering if I should work on an android client for it |
| 09:53.55 | Marex | lundman: the arm part isn't usually a problem, everything's fine there ... it's the general plumbing part etc |
| 09:54.10 | lundman | yeah, the number of patches you get every day is impressive |
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| 10:28.54 | Marex | lundman: the horrible part will be the driver model that's landing now |
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| 15:01.33 | cat1 | is disappointed by github.. very, very much.. |
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| 15:07.24 | mnemoc | cat1: me too.... that's why I agree with the need of a ML |
| 15:13.17 | mnemoc | http://www.linaro.org/careers/linaro/software-engineers-multiple |
| 15:14.19 | mnemoc | cat_x301: and http://www.linaro.org/careers/linaro/landing-team-kernel-engineer |
| 15:14.40 | mnemoc | iirc you said you were looking |
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| 15:17.26 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: yeah, thanks, sounds good, except for some travel is required ;) |
| 15:18.01 | cat_x301 | mnemoc: i have an interview on tuesday here in helsinki.. if nothing changes. |
| 15:19.24 | steev | eh |
| 15:19.35 | steev | why is github so bad? it takes care of 90% of users needs |
| 15:20.03 | steev | i saw the mail about missing an attachment or some such |
| 15:20.32 | cat_x301 | steev: it not that bad, but it feels inflexible. |
| 15:20.54 | steev | holy schnikeys |
| 15:21.01 | steev | patch has a new version released |
| 15:21.33 | mnemoc | cat_x301: you can always be the first posting to linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com ;-) |
| 15:21.54 | RaYmAn | github demands a rather specific workflow to be usable |
| 15:21.56 | mnemoc | not been able to attach files to tickets is ugly |
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| 15:22.07 | RaYmAn | oh yeah, and their tickets are horrific :P |
| 15:30.03 | steev | mnemoc: also, just add .patch to the end of the url - to take your example url, https://github.com/polarcat/linux-allwinner/commit/f5ece65988483b38e3ec48b88d84720531b04425 becomes https://github.com/polarcat/linux-allwinner/commit/f5ece65988483b38e3ec48b88d84720531b04425.patch |
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| 15:31.44 | cat_x301 | steev: but one looses possibility to comment, no? |
| 15:32.14 | mnemoc | steev: and .diff gives you only the diff part |
| 15:32.18 | mnemoc | which is nice |
| 15:32.46 | mnemoc | .patch is the raw commit, .diff is the raw diff.... both curl friendly plain text |
| 15:33.19 | cat_x301 | yeah, but then you have send your comments somewhere :) |
| 15:33.40 | RaYmAn | github rocks in so many ways - their tickets are really the only thing that isn't very good, heh |
| 15:34.13 | cat_x301 | steev: mnemoc: i agree, this feature is good regardless. |
| 15:38.30 | cat_x301 | anyway, if i come up with some other patch next time, i will use googlegroup. |
| 15:46.33 | mnemoc | i'll install a mailman this weekend and import the subscribers list and any post received at googlegroup by then |
| 15:46.58 | mnemoc | hno's silence about it is kind of disturbing |
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| 15:48.51 | steev | mnemoc: i just don't see the point - you're just attaching it/pointing to it as a url in the comments |
| 15:49.21 | cat_x301 | steev: what about inline comments? |
| 15:49.36 | steev | so you don't lose the ability to comment - the real thing to do there is a pull request and have people do the inline comments |
| 15:50.20 | steev | let me see if we have some company ones public that i can point to |
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| 15:53.47 | steev | https://github.com/genesi/prep-kernel/pull/1 https://github.com/dionoea/prep-kernel/commit/fee4141dc8e0bca5d9b47ef9f6e1bd89542b4425#usr-sbin-prep-kernel-P6 |
| 15:53.53 | steev | sorry, it's a horrible example |
| 15:54.07 | steev | but it's the only repo public that i could find that had a comment in a pull req |
| 15:58.48 | RaYmAn | yeah, comments on pull requests are quite good |
| 15:59.11 | RaYmAn | gerrit is crappy comparatively |
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| 16:01.57 | cat_x301 | RaYmAn: i today had bad experience with github in such a way that i could not create pull request: github simply exited with error once i attempt to select some other desitnation but origin. |
| 16:02.42 | cat_x301 | RaYmAn: i might be doing something wrong, dunno. |
| 16:03.50 | cat_x301 | still believes that nothing is better than old plain ML :) |
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| 16:05.32 | cat_x301 | but sure, certain culture should be present there as well.. |
| 16:07.49 | mnemoc | misses nntp and usenet |
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| 16:25.40 | rz2k | damn, my last uSD died in my mele a2000. |
| 16:25.42 | rz2k | :/ |
| 16:29.42 | mnemoc | hno: btw, I forgot to tell you the sunxi branch is working well in my boards |
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| 16:46.03 | mnemoc | rz2k: I have a bunch of these http://www.focalprice.com/MF0076B/High_Speed_16GB_TF_Card_Black.html. they used to be publicly shown as "samsung"... but they are good, and real class 10 |
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| 17:14.20 | mnemoc | rz2k: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/16GB-Micro-SDHC-Class-10-Transflash-TF-CARD-16GB-original-free-shipping-Free-adapter/517467689.html is tempting |
| 17:17.24 | specing | Is that class 10 or class 0b10? |
| 17:18.37 | Turl | hahahah 0b10 good one :) |
| 17:28.46 | mnemoc | I have a couple of cards looking identical to those and also bought on aliexpress (for $17)... hdparam -t is giving me 10-13MB/sec results |
| 17:29.05 | mnemoc | it's the one I use on my mele |
| 17:32.17 | Turl | 10-13 is slowish |
| 17:32.31 | Turl | class indicates min write speed supposedly though |
| 17:33.13 | jelly-home | I _thought_ yall were quoting write speeds. Until mnemoc said hdparm -t. |
| 17:36.38 | mnemoc | sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=test.bin bs=4086 count=1024 conv=sync |
| 17:36.38 | mnemoc | 4184064 bytes (4,2 MB) copied, 0,0325863 s, 128 MB/s |
| 17:36.41 | mnemoc | uhm..... |
| 17:37.12 | specing | cache |
| 17:37.22 | specing | echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
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| 17:38.11 | mnemoc | aaarg |
| 17:38.19 | mnemoc | # echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 17:38.23 | mnemoc | # cd /media/sdb2/ |
| 17:38.28 | mnemoc | # dd if=/dev/sda of=test.bin bs=4096 count=4096 conv=sync |
| 17:38.28 | mnemoc | 4096+0 records in |
| 17:38.28 | mnemoc | 4096+0 records out |
| 17:38.29 | mnemoc | 16777216 bytes (17 MB) copied, 0,109196 s, 154 MB/s |
| 17:38.43 | mnemoc | :< |
| 17:38.46 | Turl | mnemoc: copy more |
| 17:38.47 | mnemoc | damn linux performance :< |
| 17:38.49 | Turl | 50M |
| 17:39.01 | Turl | 100M |
| 17:40.10 | specing | mnemoc: how about dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=4096 count=1M ? |
| 17:42.03 | traeak | hmm? |
| 17:42.11 | traeak | what's that? variability in io performance? |
| 17:42.18 | mnemoc | specing: 4294967296 bytes (4,3 GB) copied, 22,2509 s, 193 MB/s .... |
| 17:42.43 | specing | I guess its class 150? |
| 17:42.46 | xxiao1 | make sure /dev/sda is the SD |
| 17:42.55 | specing | also that |
| 17:43.06 | specing | SD is /dev/mmcblk* here |
| 17:43.15 | traeak | plug in a sata drive and use that for most everything |
| 17:43.18 | traeak | makes life easier |
| 17:43.26 | mnemoc | i thought specing wanted to measure the read speed of my disk |
| 17:43.33 | specing | lol |
| 17:44.17 | traeak | i guess the a10 is just plain sata, not sata2 |
| 17:45.15 | mnemoc | traeak: http://linux-sunxi.org/SATA |
| 17:45.40 | traeak | mnemoc: you make a very good google replacement |
| 17:45.41 | traeak | thanks |
| 17:46.13 | mnemoc | Turl: writting 50MB from the ssd to the cheap uSD was 5.1MB/s |
| 17:46.32 | mnemoc | good enough for the price ;-) |
| 17:46.56 | Turl | mnemoc: what about read speed? |
| 17:46.57 | mnemoc | traeak: I should actually make an alias for it |
| 17:47.04 | jelly-home | trick question: how to figure out which chip is in this before buying http://dx.com/p/mk802-mini-android-4-0-network-multi-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-black-eu-plug-153792 |
| 17:47.13 | traeak | i shoudl have checked myself |
| 17:47.31 | traeak | currently hdparm shows 300MB/s for interface thorughput, absolutely in line with sata2 spec |
| 17:47.52 | traeak | i've seen 75MB/s with hdparm, though |
| 17:47.55 | traeak | on the mele i mean |
| 17:48.31 | mnemoc | Turl: 50331648 bytes (50 MB) copied, 3,60679 s, 14,0 MB/s from the raw block device |
| 17:48.41 | traeak | means a sata hub should work nicely with the mele as well |
| 17:48.50 | Turl | yeah not that fast mnemoc |
| 17:49.06 | mnemoc | Turl: for $12-$17 ? |
| 17:49.12 | mnemoc | the 16GB |
| 17:49.47 | mnemoc | 50331648 bytes (50 MB) copied, 0,0573818 s, 877 MB/s .... damn caching |
| 17:50.24 | Turl | mnemoc: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Flash-SDHC-Memory-SDSDB-016G/dp/B001W1BSM0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1347558564&sr=8-2&keywords=sd+card |
| 17:50.49 | mnemoc | Turl: full SD, and don't forget the shipping |
| 17:51.03 | Turl | mnemoc: http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-SDHC-Class-Secure-Digital/dp/B0058GH1IK/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1347558564&sr=8-7&keywords=sd+card |
| 17:51.07 | Turl | class 10 for 10$ |
| 17:51.12 | Turl | free shipping |
| 17:51.43 | mnemoc | within USA |
| 17:52.01 | mnemoc | but... are you sure it's not read-only class 10 as mine? |
| 17:52.14 | Turl | the class rating is on write |
| 17:52.24 | Turl | there's no "rating" on read speeds |
| 17:52.41 | mnemoc | if they aren't using chinese marketing |
| 17:52.47 | Turl | it's amazon |
| 17:52.52 | Turl | I doubt they'd do something that stupid |
| 17:52.53 | Turl | :) |
| 17:53.01 | mnemoc | *cough* |
| 17:53.04 | Turl | they could get sued.. |
| 17:54.17 | mnemoc | trying to buy it |
| 17:54.28 | mnemoc | Important Message |
| 17:54.29 | mnemoc | AmazonBasics SDHC Class 10 16 GB Secure Digital Card cannot be shipped to the selected address. |
| 17:54.33 | mnemoc | f* USA |
| 17:54.43 | traeak | heh |
| 17:55.33 | Turl | you can have an USA buddy buy it and ship on a good ole envelope :p |
| 17:56.52 | mnemoc | amazon.de would sell it to me for 13,61E... |
| 17:57.12 | mnemoc | still better than the 40E local |
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| 18:10.03 | hno | mnemoc, thanks for testing. |
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| 18:50.17 | RaYmAn | turl: lies. theres no industry agreement on whether its read or write speed. reputable companies use write though |
| 18:56.36 | jelly-home | RaYmAn: wikipedia says otherwise. The SD Association defines standard speed classes indicating minimum performance to record video. Both read and write speeds must exceed the specified value. These are defined in terms of suitability for different applications:[39] |
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| 19:07.25 | CIA-123 | rhombus-tech: Patrick master * r4300ed768efd /allwinner_a10/hackberry/discussion.mdwn: |
| 19:10.02 | specing | I doubt the chinese care about the association :D |
| 19:12.14 | mnemoc | if they can redefine CE as "Chinese Export"... |
| 19:12.54 | specing | :D |
| 19:18.27 | ManoftheSea | what's read or write? The SD card class? |
| 19:18.35 | ManoftheSea | I thought it was specified. |
| 19:18.58 | jelly-home | it is. The answer is "both" |
| 19:20.02 | ManoftheSea | oh yeah, jelly-home says it right there. |
| 19:20.06 | ManoftheSea | goes back to being dead. |
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| 19:35.11 | RaYmAn | jelly-home: interestingly, the site it links to says it's minimum writing performance. |
| 19:35.39 | RaYmAn | incidentally, it seems it wasn't defined till version 2 of the specification |
| 19:35.47 | RaYmAn | before that it was manufacturers doing what the hell they wanted |
| 20:34.29 | techn | anyone tried default sun5i config with tablet? |
| 20:37.56 | mnemoc | techn: a13_defconfig works on the a13-olinuxino, not sure what config RaYmAn uses on his tablet |
| 20:38.44 | techn | I'm trying with MID a13 tabled.. got just color bars on screen |
| 20:38.54 | mnemoc | techn: btw, are you subscribed to the arm-netbook list? |
| 20:38.56 | mnemoc | uh |
| 20:39.12 | techn | but noticed then that kernel codes was 1 month old |
| 20:39.35 | techn | mnemoc: no.. but reading from html server :) |
| 20:40.24 | RaYmAn | techn: that's what I was getting as well. It changes if I use an android recovery however - that sets the framebuffer to graphics mode and displays stuff vaguely correctly |
| 20:40.29 | techn | btw. I proposed for that cedar guy that problem could be with configuration |
| 20:40.46 | RaYmAn | I haven't gotten android or X11 going with open kernel yet |
| 20:41.08 | mnemoc | techn: ... private reply? |
| 20:41.15 | techn | mnemoc: yes |
| 20:41.23 | mnemoc | evil |
| 20:41.27 | techn | :) |
| 20:41.47 | techn | I'll subscribe now :P |
| 20:41.56 | mnemoc | thanks :) |
| 20:43.39 | techn | Awaiting moderator approval :) |
| 20:43.46 | mnemoc | doh |
| 20:48.36 | techn | latest codes shows only black screen :( |
| 20:49.38 | mnemoc | uhm... |
| 20:50.06 | mnemoc | sunxi-disp built-in? |
| 20:51.22 | techn | yep |
| 20:51.46 | Turl | and hdmi and lcd built in too techn? |
| 20:51.55 | techn | yep |
| 20:52.20 | mnemoc | hdmi?? |
| 20:52.26 | Turl | checked script.bin default output? |
| 20:52.32 | techn | yep :) |
| 20:52.34 | mnemoc | that might be a bad idea on a a13 tab |
| 20:52.53 | techn | script.bin is original from original firmware |
| 20:53.54 | techn | [hdmi_para] |
| 20:53.54 | techn | hdmi_used = 0 |
| 20:54.40 | Turl | try disabling the LYCHEE_HDMI thingy as mnemoc said |
| 20:55.12 | mnemoc | FB_SUNXI_HDMI these days ;-) |
| 20:55.21 | techn | I'll try them as modules.. like sun4 side |
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| 20:56.20 | mnemoc | $ git grep hdmi_para drivers/video/ | wc -l |
| 20:56.21 | mnemoc | 0 |
| 20:59.45 | mnemoc | whatever they do with [hdmi_para] in the gpl violating tree, it's not in ours |
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| 21:11.01 | techn | now.. with disp and lcd as modules.. no hdmi + fbcon |
| 21:12.56 | techn | result: even backlight wont start |
| 21:27.35 | techn | hmm.. problem is propably with uboot .cmd file |
| 21:27.47 | techn | i'm using mk802 file |
| 21:28.25 | techn | loads kernel but not modules :/ |
| 21:28.45 | techn | setenv bootdelay '3' |
| 21:28.51 | techn | setenv extraargs 'rootwait' |
| 21:32.07 | techn | so rootwait is not the problem |
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