| 00:14.17 | Marex | debianin: you know what 'to knit' means, right ? |
| 00:23.42 | debianin | Marex, no, let me see a web translator... |
| 00:24.37 | debianin | ah ok, now i understrand |
| 00:24.43 | debianin | i hope, at least. |
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| 00:33.11 | Marex | debianin: :D |
| 00:35.20 | Marex | debianin: sorry, I'm fighting dcache-dma combo here ... far from funny |
| 00:35.37 | Marex | it's driving me nuts quickly |
| 00:37.56 | debianin | Marex, are you fighting with ptototype of cubieboard? |
| 00:38.07 | debianin | what distro? |
| 00:38.47 | debianin | what means USB OTG "on the go"? |
| 00:41.08 | Marex | debianin: no no ... of course not |
| 00:42.34 | debianin | hardware seems powerfull, but lack info about software ,supported distros and so on. |
| 00:45.43 | Marex | debianin: I dunno man ... allwiener doesn't let anyone produce proper software (even the NDAed datasheet is crap) |
| 00:48.27 | debianin | mmm if no debina /ubunto allowed, than cubieboard is not for me at all. |
| 00:50.05 | debianin | debian/ubuntu |
| 00:51.41 | Marex | debianin: system software, not userland goo ... |
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| 00:53.27 | debianin | Marex, ? what you mean? |
| 00:54.42 | Marex | debianin: bootloader and kernel ... to make those proper, you need documentation to the chip and schematics to the board |
| 00:57.18 | debianin | as far as i read, developers are coing to public project and schematic, isnt it? |
| 00:58.22 | debianin | also rpi has a closed driver/firmware, but all other info are avaiable, so debina can run on it. |
| 00:58.29 | debianin | debian* |
| 01:01.43 | Marex | debianin: it's more about the kernel I'm concerned ... if you're forced to use some ancient hackish crap, your userland will gradually become incompatible with it |
| 01:03.17 | debianin | so? it will be cibie board "open" and "free" for real ot it is only a crap hype? |
| 01:07.20 | Marex | debianin: we'll see when it arrives |
| 01:07.38 | Marex | but until allwiener figures out that opening docs is _the_ way to go ... it'll all be crap |
| 01:10.01 | debianin | so let be patient and wait: the future wll anwser to us. |
| 03:00.35 | Turl | have you guys seen the webOS release? :) |
| 03:00.49 | Turl | the mobile one is based on OpenEmbedded I'm reading |
| 03:05.47 | Marex | Turl: yes |
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| 07:45.51 | captainigloo | and one mele a1000 ordered ! i'm nan happy guy :) |
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| 15:36.04 | TomNL | i was wondering. i thought nobody succeeded in getting mali x11 driver running..then i came accross this |
| 15:36.05 | TomNL | http://blog.dryft.net/2012/07/working-mali-x11-driver-on-mk802-a10.html |
| 15:36.40 | TomNL | would this mean HW accell in X11? |
| 15:45.36 | Marex | TomNL: try it |
| 15:45.41 | Marex | hno: so how's it going ? |
| 15:46.03 | Marex | btw why can't we use the 3.0.3x kernel on the MK802 but have to stick with the ancient crap ? |
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| 15:50.12 | TomNL | hehe i am gonna try it...but have to see if it runs on mele |
| 15:51.40 | Marex | the chip's the same in all of those |
| 15:52.57 | Marex | I wonder, is it possible to rebuild that cyanogen mod for MK802 from Chris Troy ? |
| 15:53.39 | Marex | I have rough idea how to get and rebuild the tree, yet maybe I'm missing something important -- like I might need to do some postprocessing or something ? |
| 16:14.15 | RaYmAn | given the mk802 has very little unique hardware mostly everything should work with any CM tree for allwinner devices. |
| 16:16.04 | RaYmAn | TomNL: it kind of looks like he's at the same point everyone else is at.. X starts up, but beyond that not much... |
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| 16:55.51 | Marex | RaYmAn: then there must have been some reason why the old kernel was used |
| 16:58.32 | Turl | mk802 had broken AXP/CPUFreq last I heard |
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| 17:00.27 | Marex | Turl: AXP ? |
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| 17:00.58 | Quarx | Turl: cm10 ready:) almost all bugs fixed. |
| 17:02.32 | Turl | Marex: power regulator |
| 17:02.43 | Marex | Quarx: wasn't it the cedarX that didn't work ? |
| 17:02.49 | Turl | Quarx: nice :) |
| 17:02.52 | Marex | Turl: I see ... can that be somehow fixed ? |
| 17:02.56 | Turl | Quarx: with #ifdef? :) |
| 17:03.12 | Quarx | Marex: cedarX works fine. hdmi + sound too |
| 17:03.34 | Turl | Marex: I guess? :) nobody with an mk802 has cared to fix it so far afaik |
| 17:03.49 | Quarx | Turl: nope :p i cleanup many a10 code, like tv plug |
| 17:04.34 | Marex | did that "Chris Troy" gave up on this? |
| 17:04.34 | TomNL | quarx: looking forward to cm10 :D |
| 17:04.40 | Marex | Quarx: did you take over or something ? |
| 17:04.56 | Quarx | Marex: https://github.com/Quarx2k/android_external_cedarx/tree/jellybean |
| 17:06.36 | TomNL | quarx: what kind of bugs are left? |
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| 17:08.47 | Quarx | TomNL: ethernet support.. and i don't know more problems.... ethernet can be easy added too (i'm not tried add it for now) |
| 17:09.06 | Quarx | OTG works |
| 17:10.04 | Marex | Quarx: oh ok |
| 17:10.17 | TomNL | cool :) |
| 17:10.27 | Marex | Quarx: do you happen to have build instructions ? I know how to fetch the code, compile it ... is any postproc needed ? |
| 17:10.45 | Quarx | replace boot.img and modules |
| 17:11.11 | Quarx | i'm still use old kernel 3.0.8 not from sources (from ainol) |
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| 17:11.39 | Quarx | my tablet hates our sources of kernel |
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| 17:12.40 | Marex | Quarx: that's all ? |
| 17:13.10 | Quarx | and maybe update-script, if your tablet have different partitions |
| 17:15.20 | Marex | Quarx: that mk802 is some toy connected to tv |
| 17:18.24 | Quarx | Marex: video? |
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| 17:27.46 | Marex | Quarx: what about it? Yes, it's a hdmi output to connect to tv |
| 17:27.59 | Quarx | hdmi works:) |
| 17:28.07 | Quarx | to tv too |
| 17:29.07 | Marex | Quarx: that's nice :) |
| 17:29.20 | Marex | does anyone actually roll out any official releases of CM ? |
| 17:29.24 | Marex | or semi-official ? |
| 17:29.41 | Marex | if not, oh well ... I might as well let it running overnight and see the result |
| 18:09.59 | rzk | Quarx: tried running your JB on A13? |
| 18:10.16 | Quarx | rzk:i don't have a13 |
| 18:11.31 | rzk | hno and olimex guys are working on A13 olinuxino, they could use your help. also I have a13 cheapo-tablet and I thought about trying to build up sources from allwinnerwk git, they seem to have updated JB for a10/13 |
| 19:11.35 | mnemoc | rzk: Turl has JB running on A10, but no cedarx support because of api incompatibilities in the libraries |
| 19:12.40 | rzk | quarx says that he resolved issues with cedar |
| 19:12.54 | rzk | writing a13-mid page for wiki |
| 19:14.36 | mnemoc | ice |
| 19:14.50 | mnemoc | nice* |
| 19:21.31 | mnemoc | uh, the zatab reviewed on linux journal |
| 19:45.03 | RaYmAn | url? |
| 19:58.52 | rzk | mnemoc: http://linux-sunxi.org/Q88 |
| 20:13.03 | Turl | ooo http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center/curriculum-vitae-1/pscreleasefolder.2012-02-22.8334792337/2.0 :) |
| 20:13.18 | Turl | this new templates thingie for LO is good |
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| 21:30.34 | RaYmAn | kind of unrelated, but TI is crazy... Cortex M4, 80Mhz, 256KB flash, 32KB ram - 5$... It's like a super-powered arduino but cheap as hell. https://estore.ti.com/Stellaris-LaunchPad.aspx |
| 21:31.38 | RaYmAn | 32-bit ARM cpu as well. Not quite linux capable, but still ;) |
| 21:35.20 | rm | RaYmAn, any estimate what they charge for international shipping? |
| 21:35.43 | RaYmAn | rm: free |
| 21:36.04 | RaYmAn | I ordered two - paid 9.98$ in total including shipping to DK |
| 21:36.51 | RaYmAn | wow, it has fpu + 16-bit SIMD, lol |
| 21:37.03 | RaYmAn | http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm4f120h5qr.pdf <- datasheet |
| 21:37.20 | RaYmAn | I'm not really sure what arm revision it is |
| 21:38.05 | RaYmAn | hmm, ArmV7E-M |
| 21:38.06 | rm | I might order two as well |
| 21:38.12 | RaYmAn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-M#Cortex-M4 |
| 21:38.43 | rm | there doesn't seem to be a datasheet on the actual board |
| 21:38.49 | RaYmAn | yeah |
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| 21:39.18 | rm | how do you program it? |
| 21:39.20 | RaYmAn | it comes with built-in jtag thingy - so you just plug it into usb, lol |
| 21:39.24 | rzk | dont order that if you are not familiar with cortex-m3/4 |
| 21:39.33 | rm | is there an arduino-like for-dummies IDE/language? :D |
| 21:39.36 | rzk | no |
| 21:39.38 | RaYmAn | probably not |
| 21:39.50 | RaYmAn | but C should be easy enough |
| 21:39.57 | RaYmAn | with dietlib or newlib |
| 21:41.06 | RaYmAn | rzk: why not? :D |
| 21:41.17 | RaYmAn | It's a perfect opportunity to learn |
| 21:41.28 | rm | well, if it expects people to write bare-metal level code |
| 21:41.47 | RaYmAn | yeh - that's one of the reasons I ordered :) |
| 21:41.53 | rzk | also we need to wait for errata for that mcu, first m4 from STM had dosen of problems |
| 21:41.55 | rm | that'd be time consuming for no good reason, unless you want to do exactly this |
| 21:42.05 | RaYmAn | rzk: at 5$, it's livable :) |
| 21:42.17 | RaYmAn | rm: I do! :D |
| 21:42.27 | rzk | one of the coolest ones was 50% perfomance drop due to asic layout error or something like that, no fixes. |
| 21:42.33 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 21:42.46 | RaYmAn | has been using one of his tegra devices for bare metal |
| 21:42.49 | RaYmAn | it's kind of hard without jtag |
| 21:42.50 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 21:42.54 | RaYmAn | and kind of a waste |
| 21:43.46 | RaYmAn | tbh, I suspect it should be relatively easy to port arduino to it |
| 21:43.59 | rm | http://www.ti.com/mcu/docs/mculuminarycodeexamples.tsp?sectionId=96&tabId=2607 |
| 21:44.06 | rm | I think it's not that bad actually |
| 21:44.50 | rzk | arduino was ported to msp430 recently |
| 21:44.58 | RaYmAn | nice |
| 21:45.00 | rzk | called Energia |
| 21:45.11 | RaYmAn | for the launchpad device or? |
| 21:45.14 | rzk | yeah |
| 21:45.16 | RaYmAn | nice |
| 21:45.18 | rzk | for launchpad, firstone |
| 21:45.26 | RaYmAn | It's kind of crazy how cheap these boards are |
| 21:45.40 | rzk | thats TI marketing money going to right place |
| 21:45.43 | RaYmAn | I mean, for most purposes they'll do at least the same as arduino, but at a fraction of the cost |
| 21:46.13 | rm | people says TI wants to conquer the market via dumping |
| 21:46.17 | rm | with these boards |
| 21:46.18 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 21:46.21 | RaYmAn | it'll work i'm sure |
| 21:46.21 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 21:46.22 | rm | and then raise prices :D |
| 21:46.32 | RaYmAn | As long as I get cheap boards I'm happy :D |
| 21:48.40 | rm | I'll probably order, but closer to 25th sept |
| 21:48.54 | rm | not a fan of sending money then waiting for a month for them to even ship |
| 21:50.07 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 21:50.31 | RaYmAn | I used money in my paypal, so whether it's sitting in my paypal account or in TI's grasp doesn't really matter much :) |
| 21:50.49 | RaYmAn | (i've previously received a bunch of stuff from TI, so not worried it won't arrive or anything like that) |
| 21:51.56 | rm | > For $4.30, the LaunchPad includes a development board, 2 programmable MSP430 microcontrollers, mini-USB cable, PCB connectors for expandability, external crystal for increased clock accuracy, and unrestricted software integrated development environments (IDEs) |
| 21:52.04 | rm | also one of those perhaps |
| 21:52.15 | RaYmAn | yeah, it's pretty cool |
| 21:52.42 | RaYmAn | they are definitely trying to compete with AVR and PIC |
| 21:54.14 | RaYmAn | now thye just need to make a pandaboard-like launchpad at 10$ ;) |
| 21:55.23 | debianin | cubieboard seems nice, but pity no more than 2 usb ports, 3 is better, 4 the best. |
| 21:55.50 | RaYmAn | that's what hubs are for |
| 21:55.51 | RaYmAn | :) |
| 21:56.25 | RaYmAn | I mean, it's not like they are expensive and I don't think the SoC supports more than two ports, so it would have to be a hub anyways. |
| 21:56.37 | debianin | the vantage is to have not external accessories, ub is accessoryie. |
| 22:01.28 | rzk | rm: we have a fail here, TI doesnt send stuff to Russia anymore. |
| 22:01.47 | rzk | no c2000/stellaris launchpads for us :( |
| 22:02.12 | rm | how do you know |
| 22:02.22 | rm | when signing up I see it in the list of countries |
| 22:02.42 | rzk | http://we.easyelectronics.ru/_pv/novyy-launchpad-ot-ti-stellaris-cortex-m4.html |
| 22:04.18 | rm | ok |
| 22:04.21 | rm | ECCN O.o |
| 22:04.26 | rm | export control |
| 22:04.34 | rm | anyways, good nite |
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| 23:03.43 | Marex | RaYmAn: tegra has jtag ... well accessible too |
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