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| 04:33.16 | furan | turl do you have any 7000mah devices that you can pass me your script.bin for? |
| 04:33.23 | furan | I need to figure out the right params in the power section |
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| 06:36.06 | specing | Looks like this is actually working |
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| 08:34.52 | eflatun | hi all |
| 08:35.07 | RaYmAn | morning :) |
| 08:35.38 | HeHoPMaJIeH | Morning |
| 08:43.42 | eflatun | How about the developing process of Amd T40E and type III EOMA-68 ? thank you |
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| 09:47.41 | mnemoc | moin |
| 09:48.40 | kaspter | morning |
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| 10:28.18 | calris | Good evening (or morning if your on the wrong side of the planet ;)) |
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| 10:31.31 | mnemoc | calris: in irc it's always monring when you arrive and night when you leave |
| 10:33.02 | calris | lol - let's play spot the newbie :) |
| 10:34.56 | calris | I thought I should drop on by while I wait for my Mele A2000 to arrive - I understand a number of you are playing around with it a bit |
| 10:35.58 | calris | I'm going to use it to familiarize myself with Linux & U-Boot development for ARM (been hacking U-Boot for ~4 years now but not on ARM) |
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| 11:39.06 | mnemoc | calris: the mele a2000 is very nice for hacking, and as with other A10-based devices you can get jtag+uart out of the SD slot while pushing bare-metal binaries over usb (fel) |
| 11:40.41 | mnemoc | rm: I'm tagging -r0 to mark the first upstream merge of that given version |
| 11:58.35 | calris | I've been talking to Tom, Henrik and Jorgen so I'm fairly well up to speed |
| 11:59.17 | calris | I'm gathering all the info I can find on the net and putting together a wiki to link it all together |
| 12:00.45 | calris | JTAG via SD is not something I have seen a lot of detail about. Tom is sending an adapter with me order (gotta love his service), but I don't have an debugger yet - any suggestions? |
| 12:02.06 | calris | mnemoc: Are you the owner of the amery U-Boot branch on github? |
| 12:02.27 | RaYmAn | what's missing wrt JTAG via SD? :) |
| 12:02.41 | calris | Knowledge :) |
| 12:02.55 | mnemoc | I have a flyswatter from tincantools, RaYmAn uses a less expensive "clone" from dangerous prototypes |
| 12:03.08 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: pfft :P even with quotes that's wrong |
| 12:03.17 | calris | Yes, I have heard of flyswatter |
| 12:03.23 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: :) |
| 12:03.34 | RaYmAn | it's a class of devices using a FTDI chip that has JTAG support |
| 12:03.45 | mnemoc | calris: I am amery, yes. the preferred uboot repo is hno's |
| 12:03.53 | RaYmAn | so they aren't really clones of eachother, they are all just built on top of that chip :P |
| 12:03.56 | calris | Yes, Henrik's |
| 12:04.13 | calris | I assume you mean the Bus Pirate? |
| 12:04.16 | RaYmAn | I use Dangerous prototypes Bus Blaster V2 |
| 12:04.19 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: =) |
| 12:04.41 | RaYmAn | it's 35$ which is certainly quite cheap =P |
| 12:04.52 | calris | I have offered Tom and Henrik my services to help get A10 support into mainline U-Boot |
| 12:05.08 | calris | As the x86 maintainer, I kind of know how things work ;) |
| 12:05.51 | RaYmAn | it'll probably require a fair amount of changes, but it'd definitely be cool to get mainline support :) |
| 12:06.23 | calris | I've already had a quick look - it should not take much |
| 12:06.45 | calris | Do it in steps - Basic A10 support then basic board then expand from there |
| 12:07.06 | calris | It does not have to be all singing and dancing from day one |
| 12:07.21 | calris | I'm especially excited about SPL support |
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| 12:10.50 | calris | Wow, that wasn't half embarrassing :( |
| 12:11.16 | calris | Turns out "/quit" in Pidgin is rather 'terminal' |
| 12:12.39 | Turl | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.46 | Turl | you want /part possibly |
| 12:13.05 | Turl | furan: I think mine is 8000mAh |
| 12:13.08 | Turl | welcome back mnemoc :) |
| 12:13.14 | mnemoc | Turl: thanks ;-) |
| 12:13.50 | Turl | mnemoc: I integrated the newest mali driver to match hipboi libs ;) check it out when you get a chance |
| 12:13.50 | mnemoc | didn't know people used uboot on x86 |
| 12:13.55 | Turl | o.O |
| 12:14.10 | calris | mnemoc: They don't :( |
| 12:14.32 | mnemoc | calris: :) |
| 12:14.57 | calris | mnemoc: I've done a few architectural things which spread from x86 (like proper relocation) - hacking ELF headers is fun (not!) |
| 12:15.31 | Turl | mnemoc: there's a bit of makefile tweaking needed still, they added (kinda) proper inline build support |
| 12:15.39 | calris | Turl: What about the HD video decode (or is gimli about the only one dealing with that)? |
| 12:15.39 | Turl | so we've got CONFIG_MALI400 and such now |
| 12:16.02 | mnemoc | Turl: can you open a ticket with the details? |
| 12:16.15 | Turl | calris: for !android, gimli is the one |
| 12:16.21 | Turl | mnemoc: sure |
| 12:16.30 | mnemoc | Turl: and please, don't suggest calris to /part :p |
| 12:17.05 | calris | I wanted to /part the cynagenmod tenderloin channels... I /quit instead |
| 12:17.22 | calris | Al Pidgin dropped freenode completely - had to restart to get it back |
| 12:17.30 | mnemoc | calris: ah, cool. you can /part those ;-) |
| 12:18.10 | calris | Turl: Not too interested in Android on A2000 (use my HP TouchPad for that) - Will be doing raw Linux hacking on the A2000 |
| 12:20.08 | Turl | mnemoc: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/69 |
| 12:21.05 | lundman | calris :) |
| 12:22.19 | mnemoc | Turl: can you link the r3p0 libs too? |
| 12:23.21 | Turl | mnemoc: done |
| 12:23.35 | mnemoc | the amount of spam bots that gets registered in the wiki is awful... |
| 12:23.44 | Turl | mnemoc: wanted to talk to you about it |
| 12:23.55 | Turl | mnemoc: got a few tips from a wiki guy @ CM :) |
| 12:24.01 | mnemoc | nice |
| 12:24.09 | mnemoc | Turl: /q ? |
| 12:24.13 | Turl | ok |
| 12:24.38 | calris | lundman: Greetings |
| 12:25.27 | lundman | thanks for your help with uboot btw |
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| 12:30.51 | calris | lundman: np - good to see ZFS hit mainline :) |
| 12:31.19 | lundman | 4 days of coding, 13 weeks of patch acceptance :) |
| 12:34.03 | lundman | i wonder if xbmc can do my IPTV service |
| 12:34.30 | calris | Yeah, Wolfgang runs a pretty tight ship |
| 12:35.11 | calris | But a lot of people don't bother to read the 'rules' even after having them pointed out three times |
| 12:35.58 | calris | But I've offered to help with the A20/A2000 submission when it's ready :) |
| 12:36.49 | calris | is about to turn into a pumpkin |
| 12:36.56 | calris | time for bed |
| 12:40.12 | calris | btw, I'm collection info and links at http://www.embedev.com/wiki/doku.php?id=mele_a2000 - If anyone has any good info, I'll be reading the IRC logs later |
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| 12:40.56 | lundman | sweet |
| 12:41.16 | RaYmAn | great, another wiki ;) |
| 12:43.07 | lundman | the more the merries, or, too many chefs?:) |
| 12:43.12 | lundman | *merrier |
| 12:45.03 | Turl | RaYmAn: fscking tegra :p the kernel doesn't compile |
| 12:45.29 | RaYmAn | too few chefs? :P they should all be cooking the same soup, but instead they each make their own :( |
| 12:46.09 | Turl | RaYmAn: the cpu_pm* stuff doesn't link, any ideas? |
| 12:46.55 | RaYmAn | Turl: use an older compiler? :P |
| 12:47.12 | Turl | RaYmAn: stuff like cpu_pm_register_notifier and cpu_complex_pm_enter are missing |
| 12:47.14 | Turl | and it chokes :) |
| 12:47.16 | lundman | use --force, or perhaos the harder --or-else |
| 12:48.07 | RaYmAn | Turl: using a wrong .config? |
| 12:48.24 | Turl | RaYmAn: the stuff isn't even on the kernel tree :x |
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| 12:52.12 | rz2k | hey Turl, is there any progress with X11 with mali r3p0? |
| 12:52.31 | Turl | no idea |
| 12:52.57 | Turl | there was someone trying though, don't recall who :( |
| 12:56.33 | rm | rz2k, here's a link I found the other day https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/2/topics/61#post-1251 |
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| 12:59.08 | rz2k | rm: thats software 2d https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/19#issuecomment-7091895 |
| 12:59.11 | rz2k | :( |
| 13:00.50 | calris | Why sleep when AndChat works on your CM10 TouchPad :) |
| 13:03.57 | calris | BTW, just to clarify - the wiki is really my personal dev documentation. Thought it would be a good way to collect my thoughts |
| 13:04.25 | calris | Not trying to steal anyone's thunder - just being as open as possible |
| 13:04.49 | Turl | calris: not sure if you're aware, but there's http://linux-sunxi.org/ :) |
| 13:06.15 | calris | Turl: yup, already got that one |
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| 13:07.45 | calris | Specifically http://linux-sunxi.org/Mele_A1000 |
| 13:08.58 | calris | I'll but another link from the A10 page to http://linux-sunxi.org/A10 |
| 13:09.15 | calris | put another... |
| 13:09.39 | rm | everyone should have their personal wiki about A10 |
| 13:09.42 | rm | the more the better! |
| 13:09.53 | Turl | rm: :P |
| 13:09.56 | rm | has one too |
| 13:09.57 | rm | yep |
| 13:10.42 | calris | Mine will be for all my dev work... been looking at the Trim Slice too |
| 13:10.58 | calris | Too many $ :( |
| 13:11.27 | Mazon | fwiw and IMO trimslice and cubox is a waste of money - there is no support and the community around them are not very active |
| 13:12.40 | calris | mnemoc: are you with rhombus? |
| 13:13.45 | calris | I'm waiting for a cheap A2000 style device with a Tegra 3 |
| 13:14.30 | Mazon | strip a nexus 7 and hack it to pieces :) |
| 13:14.47 | Mazon | why tegra3? - need the GPU? |
| 13:14.58 | Mazon | if you need the CPU, get an O-DroidX |
| 13:15.03 | calris | Why not ;) |
| 13:15.19 | calris | Too many choices |
| 13:15.36 | calris | I only had one x86 board I could hack on |
| 13:15.47 | calris | Now I have a TouchPad' |
| 13:15.54 | Mazon | tegra 3 doesn't make sensem unless you need GPU |
| 13:16.01 | calris | ,Raspberry Pi and A2000 |
| 13:16.38 | calris | And my wife has a Tegra 3 Iconia |
| 13:17.01 | RaYmAn | the biggest annoyance with tegra 3 is that almost all tegra devices are fairly locked down |
| 13:17.29 | mnemoc | calris: I like the eoma68 idea, but I'm not related to RT |
| 13:17.44 | Mazon | I home the imx6 will be fairly open |
| 13:17.45 | RaYmAn | even if e.g. nexus7 is unlockable, it's still possible to brick it in such a way that only a low-level recovery can fix it (which would be possible if it wasn't locked down) |
| 13:18.09 | calris | mnemoc: so who are rt? Do they hang out here? |
| 13:18.15 | Mazon | luke does |
| 13:18.38 | mnemoc | sometimes :| |
| 13:18.45 | Mazon | but I wouldn't hold my breath for eoma-68 |
| 13:22.21 | rz2k | RaYmAn: have any link to read about this? I will recieve nexus7 in 3-7 days, worth reading for me. |
| 13:23.02 | RaYmAn | rz2k: not really - It's not really documented anywhere. |
| 13:23.29 | rz2k | I was surprised when I googled "nexus 7 uart" and there was nothing |
| 13:23.37 | rz2k | are people really so slow ? |
| 13:23.37 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 13:23.41 | rz2k | :/ |
| 13:23.54 | RaYmAn | I'm kind of waiting for a suitable cable to be able to test it |
| 13:24.16 | RaYmAn | they appear to use UART on the headphone port |
| 13:24.22 | rz2k | i have usbee dx clone, will probe all testpoints |
| 13:24.26 | RaYmAn | but whether this is present in production devices as well, i don't know |
| 13:25.40 | RaYmAn | rz2k: also, the bricking stuff I mentioned is mostly related to bootloader updates and similar. Low-level recovery (similar to fel in type - called APX/nvflash) can easily fix that |
| 13:34.55 | calris | Is there any way the a10 BROM can be reflashed? |
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| 13:48.59 | RaYmAn | calris: no. ROM == readonly memory =P It's written (well, masked I guess?) during production and is unchangable. |
| 13:49.47 | phh | yeah ... sure ... :p |
| 13:49.57 | phh | well for brom ok |
| 13:50.44 | calris | Thought so... I wonder if it's possible to get un-programmed A10 chips...(just a thought...) |
| 13:51.15 | RaYmAn | why would you want to re-program the BROM anyways? |
| 13:51.33 | calris | For fun :p |
| 13:51.43 | RaYmAn | phh: it's really a huge misuse of the word to call e.g. phone/tab software "ROM" :P |
| 13:52.37 | calris | Picky much ;) |
| 13:53.36 | calris | If your old enough, you would remember real ROMs :) the term just stuck |
| 13:54.23 | calris | Image CyaniGen releasing 'EEPROM's |
| 13:54.38 | calris | CyanoGen |
| 13:56.27 | RaYmAn | that would be kind of cool :P, quite inaccurate, but yeah ;) |
| 13:56.54 | RaYmAn | (no more than it is now I guess :P) |
| 13:57.42 | RaYmAn | what is "real ROMs" in your world? |
| 13:58.36 | calris | Burn once read only memory chips |
| 14:01.23 | Gumboot | We skipped over masked ROM somewhere, there. |
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| 14:02.03 | Gumboot | But OTP takes us back to the days when bricked meant bricked. |
| 14:02.59 | RaYmAn | yeah, but software bricks were kind of hard to pull off then ;) |
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| 14:25.48 | Turl | RaYmAn: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/26/nexus-7-now-available-from-the-play-store-in-france-germany-and-spain/ :P |
| 14:27.27 | RaYmAn | no denmark in there =P |
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| 14:33.53 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: how much did you pay for yours (total)? |
| 14:34.52 | RaYmAn | I don't remember exactly |
| 14:35.09 | mnemoc | I think I'll buy a N7 tomorrow (today is the last day of the cycle of my CC).. 249E+10E |
| 14:35.35 | Turl | mnemoc: weird they didn't follow the tech 1USD=1EUR |
| 14:35.35 | RaYmAn | 159GBP + UK shipping+ ~15GBP shipping |
| 14:36.15 | mnemoc | Turl: Isn't it $199/$249 too? |
| 14:36.33 | Turl | ah, didn't know there was two models :P |
| 14:36.50 | mnemoc | 8/16GB |
| 14:37.30 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: uhm... that's like 40E cheaper... |
| 14:38.01 | Turl | mnemoc: eh? |
| 14:38.01 | Turl | 159 British pounds = 251.4108 U.S. dollars |
| 14:38.13 | Turl | if anything it looks more expensive to me |
| 14:38.31 | mnemoc | Turl: I'm comparing GBP vs. EUR, not USD |
| 14:38.50 | Turl | fails |
| 14:38.55 | mnemoc | USD implies extra import tax, GBP doesn't |
| 14:40.10 | mnemoc | 175GBP is like 220EUR, while the price is EUR is 260 |
| 14:41.03 | RaYmAn | yeh..If I ordered from US, i'd get uhm, 25% VAT + processing fee of around 15-20EUR |
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| 14:43.53 | Turl | weren't imports in .eu exempt of taxes until 1kEUR or something? |
| 14:44.00 | Turl | I think someone told me that once :| |
| 14:44.35 | RaYmAn | no |
| 14:44.48 | RaYmAn | within EU, sure |
| 14:44.49 | phh | at least in france it's for taxes < 60€ |
| 14:44.50 | mnemoc | in .es regular "letters" (up to 2kg) are generally left alone by the customs |
| 14:44.52 | RaYmAn | (not sure there's a limit) |
| 14:45.01 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: doesn't mean they are excempt ;) |
| 14:45.17 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: exactly |
| 14:45.26 | phh | (which means for ~ <300€) |
| 14:45.28 | RaYmAn | technically speaking, I think you're required to report it yourself and volountariy pay it =P |
| 14:45.45 | mnemoc | ^^ |
| 14:45.59 | Turl | lol |
| 14:47.12 | Turl | here imports are exempt if <25USD |
| 14:47.21 | Turl | supposedly, once per calendar year |
| 14:47.49 | RaYmAn | yeah - we have some exemptions here as well |
| 14:52.19 | mnemoc | last time I had a package catched (some *free* sample relay boards sent using express mail) they holded it for a week, then send me a form that took another week to arrive, pay by wire transfer (tax over stimated sales price + handling + reshipping), and then wait another week for them to ack the payment and reship :< |
| 14:55.04 | mnemoc | so I ended up paying more than the cost of the boards+shipping and took over 2w longer than the same sent using regular post :< |
| 14:56.32 | mnemoc | since then, RR-only |
| 14:59.13 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: did you get the nand-unification working in 3.0 with .config compatibility? |
| 15:02.13 | phh | Turl: ah, it's the exempt it's for every package |
| 15:02.18 | phh | in france* |
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| 15:25.11 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: if not i'll give it a try tonight |
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| 15:53.22 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: btw, did you get your olinuxino? does it boot from uSD? |
| 15:53.39 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: err... I mean, does the uSD work? |
| 15:53.43 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: No. but I think basically it's because I made the options hidden.. I think if you make them public again and then just select the nand_sunxi , I think it should work |
| 15:53.49 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: no, hasn't been sent yet |
| 15:55.07 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: do you know if hno received his? or got lost? |
| 15:55.30 | RaYmAn | he did |
| 15:55.57 | mnemoc | neighbor had it? |
| 15:56.05 | RaYmAn | yeh |
| 15:56.14 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 16:15.52 | BoozeWooz | hi |
| 16:17.48 | Turl | hi BoozeWooz |
| 16:18.15 | BoozeWooz | how you do this red text :D? |
| 16:18.54 | BoozeWooz | o_O ? |
| 16:19.12 | Turl | eh? o.O |
| 16:19.18 | Turl | BoozeWooz: like this? o.O |
| 16:19.22 | BoozeWooz | yes! |
| 16:19.24 | phh | that's called highlight -_-' |
| 16:19.27 | phh | BoozeWooz: i can do it too ! :D |
| 16:19.32 | Turl | BoozeWooz: :P |
| 16:19.36 | BoozeWooz | hmpf.. |
| 16:19.41 | BoozeWooz | highlight |
| 16:19.44 | Turl | put your name on the sentence :P |
| 16:19.50 | Turl | like BoozeWooz: oha |
| 16:19.51 | Turl | i |
| 16:19.58 | phh | Turl: most irc clients doesn't do self highlight |
| 16:19.59 | BoozeWooz | oooh |
| 16:20.00 | BoozeWooz | Turl hey |
| 16:20.02 | BoozeWooz | like this? |
| 16:20.06 | BoozeWooz | Turl: hey |
| 16:20.15 | BoozeWooz | did that work? |
| 16:20.16 | Turl | yeah both are fine BoozeWooz |
| 16:20.21 | Turl | or "hi Turl" |
| 16:20.22 | BoozeWooz | nice , ty |
| 16:20.38 | BoozeWooz | mmm about this stuff, you know uboot? |
| 16:21.05 | Turl | hno is the uboot guy :) |
| 16:21.19 | BoozeWooz | where is he |
| 16:21.25 | Turl | in here |
| 16:21.26 | BoozeWooz | sara connor ? : DDD |
| 16:21.33 | Turl | eh? o.O |
| 16:21.38 | Turl | BoozeWooz: might be useful https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/wiki |
| 16:21.52 | BoozeWooz | ive spoken to him before and ive made some interesting discoveries |
| 16:22.43 | BoozeWooz | (interesting indeed) |
| 16:23.47 | BoozeWooz | bah i think i broke it |
| 16:33.10 | furan | unless you have your soldering iron out, a10 is really hard to break |
| 16:33.24 | BoozeWooz | a10 thunderbolt? |
| 16:34.12 | traeak | that's super hard to break |
| 16:34.20 | BoozeWooz | i agree |
| 16:34.54 | traeak | my brother said they were p;retty fearful, that's back in the days when russia was still a conventional threat |
| 16:35.22 | BoozeWooz | :o |
| 16:35.36 | traeak | i think the US has almost no hope against china, we don't have enough weapons stockpiled to kill enough of them |
| 16:35.56 | BoozeWooz | they still have the majority of the nukes so pretty much threatful indeed |
| 16:36.08 | traeak | and that's what happened in ww2 with russians vs germans and chinese vs japanese |
| 16:36.09 | mnemoc | doesn't .cn already own USA anyway? |
| 16:36.11 | BoozeWooz | hmpf im not sure |
| 16:36.15 | traeak | overwhelm with numbers, but extreme casualties |
| 16:36.27 | traeak | oh yeah and china against us in korean war |
| 16:37.00 | BoozeWooz | ive done some mw3 and tbh doesnt matter |
| 16:37.10 | BoozeWooz | usa has ac130 and claps ass that bad, no chinese will stand |
| 16:38.03 | traeak | modern conventional war is really really bad |
| 16:38.12 | BoozeWooz | all wars are |
| 16:38.46 | traeak | it's worse compared to the pre-gunpowder days |
| 16:38.57 | BoozeWooz | naw |
| 16:39.01 | traeak | artillery and mortars are the vast number of casualties now |
| 16:39.06 | BoozeWooz | if you look at roman battles, millions die |
| 16:39.32 | BoozeWooz | and doesnt matter thou, napoleon lost most of his people due to cold |
| 16:39.47 | ManoftheSea | USA has expensive tech. |
| 16:39.53 | BoozeWooz | hey man of the sea :D |
| 16:40.06 | ManoftheSea | We'll outspend ourselves. Pyrric victory |
| 16:40.16 | ManoftheSea | Hi Booze Wooz |
| 16:40.49 | BoozeWooz | i found some weird stuff looking with wxhexeditor, it actually uses an UUID |
| 16:41.11 | BoozeWooz | so i putted there the uuid of my usb thing, and it stopped working :D i guess it needs them mounted before that |
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| 17:16.21 | popolon | korean war is not chinese against us is us against asia |
| 17:16.33 | traeak | hmm? |
| 17:16.34 | BoozeWooz | china helkped a great deal, so did russia |
| 17:16.34 | popolon | against korean people and china |
| 17:16.38 | traeak | hehe |
| 17:16.54 | popolon | like the vietnam |
| 17:16.59 | popolon | and so much war in asia |
| 17:17.01 | traeak | when it looked liek the US had won the chinese sent 1mill+ troops in |
| 17:17.12 | traeak | the chosin reservoir was us vs chinese |
| 17:17.33 | traeak | but no argument there, just pointing out the chinese having vast numerical superiority |
| 17:17.46 | BoozeWooz | there like 1 billion people |
| 17:17.52 | popolon | lot of south korean and japanese still would like to close us base in their countries |
| 17:18.01 | BoozeWooz | i would say great for defending but no way they are all going to attack |
| 17:18.02 | popolon | because of murder, rape and kill from gi |
| 17:18.06 | popolon | but they can't :( |
| 17:18.15 | xxiao | nowadays due to birth control there will be something like 30millon youth with no hope to get a wife |
| 17:18.26 | traeak | xxiao that's very true |
| 17:18.39 | popolon | the liast first minister in japan was mostly elected for closing Okinawa us base, he fails |
| 17:18.44 | mnemoc | just kidnap one :p |
| 17:18.44 | traeak | one bad bad side effect are young chinese men are living with their parents with no drive to succeed |
| 17:19.05 | popolon | like Obama was elected to stop afghan & irak war |
| 17:19.11 | traeak | japan needs to invest in its own military again |
| 17:19.22 | xxiao | war is sometimes used to keep gender balanced, though sometimes it's overdone |
| 17:19.23 | BoozeWooz | i heard there pretty much bankrupt |
| 17:19.29 | traeak | i'll be blunt, the US needs to pull out of europe, that should be #1 priority |
| 17:19.52 | xxiao | when it's overdone, in middle east you can 'own' 4 wives |
| 17:19.54 | BoozeWooz | US isnt in europe :D |
| 17:20.06 | mnemoc | *cough* |
| 17:20.07 | traeak | keep a few bases for transit, medical |
| 17:20.09 | traeak | no ? |
| 17:20.15 | Gumboot | Their squirrels are |
| 17:20.19 | BoozeWooz | huh |
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| 17:20.36 | popolon | BoozeWooz, are you sure ? |
| 17:20.37 | mnemoc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments#Europe |
| 17:20.48 | popolon | most of the us governement are european |
| 17:20.53 | BoozeWooz | hmm im pretty sure there are european bases in US |
| 17:20.53 | traeak | hehe, i'm not going to spark any huge debate though :-p |
| 17:21.39 | xxiao | usa is been taking by our spanish friends, just be patient and wait .... |
| 17:21.46 | popolon | I don't believe there are native american in us government :) |
| 17:21.51 | xxiao | i mean hispanic friends |
| 17:21.56 | BoozeWooz | murika |
| 17:22.14 | popolon | spanish are europeans too |
| 17:22.16 | traeak | xxiao: a lot of hispanic friends have left because the economy is now worse in the US than their own countries |
| 17:22.34 | popolon | spanish invaded some part of asia too |
| 17:22.50 | traeak | talking on friday with a guy apparently central american speakers don't understand spanish speakers very well, almnost different languages now :-p |
| 17:23.14 | BoozeWooz | no hablo ingleis |
| 17:23.22 | popolon | not really true |
| 17:23.43 | traeak | he called it "catalan" not sure what he called his own dialect |
| 17:23.45 | mnemoc | popolon: go to any travel agency in spain and you'll see tons of references to .es not been part of europe ;-) |
| 17:23.54 | BoozeWooz | huh |
| 17:24.05 | popolon | lot of argentinians, chilians in europe they can generally exchange with spanish people without problems |
| 17:24.08 | mnemoc | we travel *to* europe for vacations |
| 17:24.29 | popolon | but well, that's probably the same problem that between french sepaking canadians and french |
| 17:24.33 | BoozeWooz | well after bankrupcy i agree, no more europe |
| 17:24.42 | BoozeWooz | greece is plenty enough |
| 17:24.49 | popolon | or probably english and unitedstaters and canadians |
| 17:25.01 | traeak | south america may be more pure spanish, can't say |
| 17:25.01 | BoozeWooz | canada speaks french too |
| 17:25.13 | popolon | BoozeWooz, but if greece follow the pathway of island |
| 17:25.14 | mnemoc | europe has always began on the pyrenees |
| 17:25.14 | xxiao | the big question is that, the global economic crisis, will it lead to a war of some sort? |
| 17:25.26 | popolon | => banksters in jail, economy ok |
| 17:25.40 | traeak | politicians in jail, economy ok |
| 17:25.41 | traeak | hehe |
| 17:26.00 | popolon | that was the idea of the second political group in last greek election |
| 17:26.07 | traeak | look to the real criminals, the ones that take all the tax money and give it to their friends |
| 17:26.09 | popolon | traeak, yes bankster + politicians |
| 17:26.27 | popolon | europole help islandish govt to catch lot of them :) |
| 17:26.39 | popolon | (europole = european police) |
| 17:26.52 | BoozeWooz | naw |
| 17:26.56 | BoozeWooz | conspiracy |
| 17:26.57 | xxiao | bankster + politicans + foodstampers |
| 17:27.00 | BoozeWooz | thery |
| 17:27.08 | popolon | to their friends or fiscal paradise, wher the money disappear |
| 17:27.44 | popolon | now some big companies try to make pressure to us gvt to don't taxe companies that want to push back cash from those fiscal paradizes to us |
| 17:28.24 | popolon | BoozeWooz, well french speakings canadian series are subbed in france :) |
| 17:28.39 | BoozeWooz | wat |
| 17:28.48 | traeak | french don't matter so much :-p |
| 17:28.56 | BoozeWooz | they survive ww2 thou |
| 17:29.04 | traeak | seems like a few spanish are well involved in hardware hacking nowadays |
| 17:29.13 | traeak | so my respect ont hat level goes up |
| 17:29.34 | BoozeWooz | french |
| 17:29.54 | traeak | the only thing i know about the french is that they like ot run :-p |
| 17:29.57 | traeak | hehe |
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| 17:30.31 | traeak | okay back to work |
| 17:30.39 | BoozeWooz | jo |
| 17:30.47 | popolon | generally easier to understand west african people that speak french than canadians native french speakers |
| 17:31.15 | BoozeWooz | hmmm naw for me the're both not understandable |
| 17:31.30 | BoozeWooz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.49 | traeak | yeah interesting a girl from ivory coast has been going to our church. her english is actually pretty good |
| 17:32.28 | popolon | i meet in china an ivory coast girt, she speak perfectly french, english, chinese and I suppose wolof |
| 17:32.56 | traeak | so probably good education there |
| 17:33.39 | traeak | funny she's waiting to go up to canada (for immigration), her husband is working there |
| 17:34.00 | BoozeWooz | yeah |
| 17:34.13 | popolon | she was studing in wuhan, i meet her in wuhan street, we was buying some lamb meat brochettes at a local chinese muslim |
| 17:34.30 | traeak | hmm |
| 17:35.06 | popolon | really nice with chili and cumin :p |
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| 17:35.35 | traeak | uigers (ulgers?) |
| 17:35.55 | popolon | perhaps hui, don't know |
| 17:36.09 | popolon | didn't ask him |
| 17:36.20 | popolon | there are several muslim minorities in china |
| 17:36.41 | popolon | and mandchous & mongols was generally muslims too, before |
| 17:37.27 | popolon | so lamb meat is really popular in beijing, not far of mongolian and mandchous aeras |
| 17:37.42 | popolon | and dog meat too, due to korea proximity :p |
| 17:38.23 | BoozeWooz | hmppff |
| 17:42.00 | popolon | but far less than lamb brochettes :) |
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| 17:42.49 | traeak | and in the south anything and everything is eaten |
| 17:42.50 | traeak | hehe |
| 17:44.16 | popolon | everything that have 4 legs can be eaten bug tables and chairs :)) |
| 17:44.45 | popolon | that's approximativly a cantonses proverb |
| 17:44.51 | popolon | cantonese |
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| 17:55.57 | TomNL | j1nx: seems allwinner has sent some update, as gimli is back on his old dev path? |
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| 18:05.55 | mnemoc | HeHoPMaJIeH: hi, please poke me when you have time to help me debugging the SD slot of the olinuxino-a13 :) |
| 18:07.13 | j1nx | * j1nx whistles a "i know nothing" kind of tune |
| 18:11.50 | TomNL | hehe ok j1nx :) |
| 18:14.33 | mnemoc | is very sad all that work is not been done in public |
| 18:16.41 | TomNL | mnemoc: it will probably be public in the end ;-) |
| 18:17.07 | RaYmAn | TomNL: it's still kind of odd to work in private |
| 18:17.32 | RaYmAn | I'm sure everyone can understand not wanting to bother with users asking questions constantly, but that's another matter. |
| 18:22.40 | TomNL | RaYmAn: keeping it non-public is getting users to ask annoying questions too :). But it's up to the dev to choose. I am happy gimli is investing time, however I would be very happy to see for example a github account to follow progress |
| 18:25.55 | mnemoc | non-public fails to keep annoying questions away, but succeeds in keeping other developers and potential contributors away and slows everything down |
| 18:26.58 | mnemoc | sad |
| 18:28.47 | mnemoc | and iainb's RE seems halt too :'( ... no commit in the last 2 weeks |
| 18:29.05 | gimli | TomNL: i'm great in ignore anying questins |
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| 19:40.18 | BoozeWooz | hey |
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| 20:31.59 | thefrog | hectic day |
| 21:25.18 | popolon | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:AlexK/Gsoc2012 |
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| 21:49.10 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: just tried cherrypicking the sun[45]i_nand merge from 3.4 and http://dpaste.com/792281/plain/ was enough to restore .config compatiblity |
| 21:49.40 | mnemoc | tristate+select works as expected, y->y, m->m, n->n |
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