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| 00:32.28 | bsdfox | jelly-home, that device has 1gb ram, 1.2ghz A10, and ICS stock so it's a bit better than the mele |
| 00:34.20 | Dandel | I personally wonder about the mk802 mini pc. |
| 00:50.40 | bsdfox | lundman, what do you run on your A2000 right now? (just realized I was reading your website :) |
| 00:51.21 | lundman | its running ICS4.0 |
| 00:51.38 | lundman | not that its turned on, or plugged in |
| 00:51.51 | lundman | sound didnt work at all, so not being used |
| 00:52.01 | bsdfox | ahh bummer |
| 00:53.40 | bsdfox | any of the linux builds work decent? I was hoping to set it up as a silent pc in my bedroom just for light internet use and some embedded development |
| 00:54.28 | lundman | oh yeah, they ran fine |
| 00:54.48 | lundman | even ready hf images to just boot and use |
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| 01:19.32 | dolapevich1 | hello again... |
| 01:19.40 | dolapevich1 | while rebooting my a10 I saw that |
| 01:19.42 | dolapevich1 | http://pastebin.com/jPZi2KKx |
| 01:20.11 | dolapevich1 | it is putting a crc error on U-boot |
| 01:20.32 | dolapevich1 | does anybody has any clue if that is expected? |
| 01:20.50 | dolapevich1 | it do boots and works fine otherwise |
| 01:44.19 | hno | dolapevich1, the CRC error is expected. |
| 01:45.22 | Turl | lundman: I just plugged an usb sound card to my mele for mpd |
| 01:45.23 | hno | It should really say "Notice: no saved environment found, using default environment" |
| 01:45.27 | Turl | works a treat |
| 01:48.32 | lundman | yeah, but any mediaplayer that we need to buy extra shit for, to make it work, is not really the answer :) |
| 01:48.53 | Turl | lundman: I already had the card, I used to use it on my router |
| 01:49.01 | Turl | but as I moved mpd to the mele, I moved the card too :) |
| 01:49.40 | lundman | sure |
| 01:49.53 | Turl | lundman: tbh I didn't even try to get the builtin audio working, as mele lacks a 3.5mm jack |
| 01:51.06 | lundman | rca audio probably works, but hdmi does not (at least with my amp) |
| 01:53.20 | dolapevich1 | hno: thanks. |
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| 02:38.04 | ejstacey | :q |
| 02:38.14 | ejstacey | :q |
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| 03:40.13 | Marex | cries blood :S |
| 03:41.06 | Marex | wish someone made open CPU, really open, with all the docs available, all the VHDL and all |
| 03:41.13 | Marex | mainstream one even |
| 03:41.59 | xxiao | wait until communism day, when everything is open and free |
| 03:44.59 | Marex | xxiao: communism never worked |
| 04:02.50 | xxiao | right, but there is openrisc etc |
| 04:10.16 | Dandel | Marex: there already is a few of those (Sparc mainly), but the problem with em that it's too costly to make it |
| 04:12.26 | furan | is there some way to compile a kernel module against a precompiled kernel when modversions has been specified? |
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| 04:19.26 | furan | how would I pull 3.08 kernel sources for allwinner? |
| 04:43.33 | Marex | furan: if you have kernel headers and a few more bits, then yes |
| 04:48.54 | lundman | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2720177/module-layout-version-incompatibility/11115750#11115750 |
| 04:50.55 | furan | I've been using a disassembler. modprobe won't work on the device and if I pull the .ko it won't work on my linux desktop |
| 04:51.40 | furan | oh wait yeah it works |
| 04:51.41 | furan | derp |
| 04:52.17 | furan | I should write a tool to copy modversions from binary a to binary b(in this case they have all the same imports) |
| 04:52.51 | lundman | yeah I gave clues ;) |
| 04:52.55 | lundman | perl would be a 5 min job |
| 04:53.21 | lundman | well 60 |
| 05:26.46 | specing | Marex: openRISC |
| 05:26.54 | specing | Look on opencores.org |
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| 09:53.00 | boulet | http://www.infotmic.com/en/products_iMAPx820.asp |
| 09:53.10 | boulet | seems like a fairly new dual core chip |
| 09:53.19 | boulet | a shanghai company ? |
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| 10:13.05 | rm | I had a tablet with their x220 chip |
| 10:13.23 | rm | it's a low-end one competing with VIA WM8650 |
| 10:13.44 | rm | and is actually A LOT better than that one |
| 10:14.25 | boulet | the specs of that dual-core chip looks quite good |
| 10:14.26 | rm | or perhaps it was x210 |
| 10:14.33 | boulet | x210 yeah |
| 10:33.31 | phh | boulet: ARM compares cortex-a5 to Arm11 ... |
| 10:33.45 | phh | and it's only +20% faster ~ |
| 10:35.11 | boulet | actually i thought cortex-a5 had some good optimization compard to cortex-a8 |
| 10:35.22 | boulet | even if it is lower cost |
| 10:36.24 | boulet | isn't that beloved raspberry pi an arm11 ? hehe ... well i don't like that thing anyways |
| 10:37.26 | rm | ARM is confusing |
| 10:37.39 | rm | there are A5 and A8 |
| 10:37.46 | rm | but then there's also ARMv6 and ARMv7 |
| 10:37.52 | rm | and there's ARM11, which is slower than the above |
| 10:38.12 | rm | a complete clusterfsck |
| 10:38.16 | rm | even x86 is better :) |
| 10:38.54 | Gumboot | A5 and A8 aren't really a thing. They're "Cortex A5" and "Cortex A8". |
| 10:39.29 | boulet | some people still confused ARM9 with Cortex A9 haha |
| 10:39.42 | rm | how silly of them! :) |
| 10:39.48 | boulet | isn't it ;) |
| 10:40.33 | boulet | anyways, the Cortex A5 can go multicore like the A9, and is supposed to be ultra-cheap |
| 10:41.42 | Gumboot | There are similar risks in confusing Cortex A9 with Allwinner A10. |
| 10:42.05 | Gumboot | Or Cortex A5 and Apple A4. |
| 10:42.16 | boulet | and A13 is better than A10 since it's higher number ? ;) |
| 10:42.57 | Gumboot | Several of my classmates in high school had A500s. |
| 10:44.05 | boulet | but before them some already had A2000s |
| 10:46.48 | orly_owl | maybe my media pc will just be the NAS |
| 10:47.24 | phh | boulet: it's cortex-A7 that is better than A8 |
| 10:47.49 | phh | cortex-a5 seem to really suck |
| 10:48.24 | boulet | a5 should be good too ! |
| 10:48.44 | phh | boulet: go on arm's website ... they state it's less than +20% faster than an ARM11 |
| 10:49.14 | boulet | this is difficult to compare |
| 10:49.34 | boulet | then how an ARM11 compares to a COrtex A8 when clocked at same speeds |
| 10:49.54 | boulet | and Cortex A5 also has NEON, which can speeds things up dramatically compared to ARM11 for media apps |
| 10:50.00 | boulet | so i think it's not that simple |
| 10:50.29 | boulet | if you do DSP applications, Cortex A5 will destroy ARM11 |
| 10:50.44 | boulet | for general purpose apps, maybe the difference is not that huge yeah |
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| 11:09.44 | Gumboot | Of course, if you're in an environment where things are built ARMv6 regardless of what processor _you_ own, A5 loses some of that advantage. |
| 11:11.36 | Gumboot | I think ARM11 might be stronger clock-for-clock except that things like caches and other basic geometry considerations hold it back. |
| 11:14.28 | Gumboot | A7 looks like it'll be stupidly powerful at DSP, considering it's meant to be the low-power alternative. It might do well in many-clustered compute tasks. |
| 11:14.51 | boulet | if it is indeed a little bit better than ARM11, and at the price of an ARM9, i think it's quite interesting since it will go multi-core |
| 11:15.14 | Gumboot | 5 or 7? |
| 11:15.29 | boulet | Gumboot, that and also the next MALI generation that can do general purpose DSP, that's gonna be insane |
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| 11:36.55 | phh | Gumboot: http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a5.php |
| 11:36.56 | phh | a5 is faster |
| 11:37.09 | phh | oh ... |
| 11:37.14 | phh | i supposed dmips was for same clock |
| 11:37.16 | phh | i could be wrong indeed |
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| 13:10.42 | Gumboot | Typically for branch-mispredicty tasks (entropy coding) you can expect the balance to tip towards older silicon, but that's not what's usually benchmarked. |
| 13:13.05 | phh | ah, A5 has longer pipeline ? |
| 13:59.43 | thefrog | I confused A9 and ARM9 for a while. |
| 15:08.00 | traeak | wierd, gmane.org hasn't been working for me for days. anyone else see this or have a beter alternative? |
| 15:12.16 | RaYmAn | not working == what? It responds just fine here but I haven't checked that all posts etc are presetn |
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| 15:51.10 | furan | is there an alsa driver for a10 codec? |
| 15:55.21 | furan | looks like it's already alsa |
| 15:56.25 | RaYmAn | yeah, at least they didn't make their own interface for that :P |
| 16:02.12 | furan | hehe |
| 16:09.35 | rm | I need to get an RCA to 3.5" converter |
| 16:09.38 | rm | erm |
| 16:09.39 | rm | 3.5mm |
| 16:10.05 | rm | did not try audio on the Mele yet |
| 16:11.09 | TomNL | gimli: did you get any eta from allwinner? or did they just apologized and said libs weren't ready yet? |
| 16:13.04 | furan | traeak: gmane isn't working for me either |
| 16:21.43 | thefrog | traeak: the page loads for me |
| 16:29.53 | traeak | thefrog: so you looked at posts? |
| 16:32.23 | thefrog | search.gmane.org fails on the query |
| 16:32.32 | thefrog | connection aborted |
| 16:38.39 | popolon | https://www.archos.com/ |
| 16:38.46 | popolon | archos g10 |
| 16:39.04 | popolon | don't know if there will have allwinner has in new arnovatech |
| 16:39.44 | specing | arnova == archos |
| 16:40.08 | popolon | but the specs are not the same :) |
| 16:40.15 | popolon | arnova is cheaper |
| 16:40.22 | specing | indeed |
| 16:41.05 | popolon | keyboard + screen = 8mm, not too bad :) |
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| 17:15.37 | Dandel | gimli: on the allwinner a10 xbmc port that j1nx (and a few other devs ) are doing, they need a lot of stuff similar to what i need for my projects... namely the lowest level possible for all features working ( this means no android layer, and if you need a comparative environment.... look at buildroot or equivalent ) |
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| 17:26.22 | Tsvetan | i |
| 17:26.25 | Tsvetan | hi |