| 00:30.13 | furan | I guess besides boxchip and allwinner another name for the a10 is Chi a10 |
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| 00:37.17 | popolon | hi |
| 00:37.55 | popolon | http://cubieboard.org/ <= is there any date for diffusion ? |
| 00:38.36 | furan | pokes hipboi_ |
| 00:38.46 | popolon | I don't understand after the really light specs, if there will be a sata connector or if an external board (connecting to the 96 extended pin) is needed. |
| 00:38.50 | furan | looks like it is already for sale? |
| 00:39.18 | furan | http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard |
| 00:39.32 | furan | I don't see a sata connector |
| 00:39.36 | popolon | about the same informations :) |
| 00:39.56 | popolon | http://cubieboard.org/ |
| 00:40.04 | popolon | 96 extend pin including i2c, spi, lcd, sata, sensors, .. |
| 00:40.56 | popolon | add to cart => send to paypal with an error ? |
| 00:41.15 | popolon | is there a more strandard method (credit card) to buy it ? |
| 00:41.50 | popolon | there are at least two AllwinnerA10 based mother board with SATA connector |
| 00:42.34 | popolon | on is a developpement board expansive (6000 RMB => ~600 $ with lcd screen, and lot of connectors |
| 00:43.20 | furan | hipboi_ will know (it's named after him) |
| 00:43.34 | furan | but I think he is busy or not here |
| 00:43.52 | popolon | the other a video oriented box , MeLe A1000 |
| 00:44.09 | popolon | ok, will go to bed, and come back tomorrow then :) |
| 00:44.12 | popolon | thanx a lot |
| 00:44.34 | Turl | I think there will be a sata connector |
| 00:44.41 | Turl | http://linux-sunxi.org/images/thumb/2/24/Cubieboard.jpeg/450px-Cubieboard.jpeg on the top left |
| 00:44.51 | hno | cubieboard do have sata connector. The pictured board is a prototype where the connector have not been mounted. |
| 00:44.52 | Turl | but hipboi_ will have to confirm :) |
| 00:45.44 | hno | I asked a week ago. |
| 00:46.53 | Turl | hno: what sata 'version' does A10 have btw= |
| 00:46.54 | Turl | ?* |
| 00:47.34 | furan | sata 2 iirc |
| 00:49.59 | popolon | Mele A1000 is based on Rhombus-Tech openhardware |
| 00:50.29 | popolon | so that's the cubieboard isn't it ? |
| 00:50.39 | popolon | http://liliputing.com/2012/03/mele-a1000-is-a-70-hackable-linux-friendly-arm-based-pc.html |
| 00:50.47 | furan | a1000 came before cubieboard |
| 00:51.06 | furan | rhombus tech doesn't make the mele |
| 00:51.25 | popolon | the article isn't clear so |
| 00:51.27 | furan | they're just cool engineers |
| 00:51.35 | popolon | Mele seem to be a chinese company |
| 00:51.43 | furan | yes |
| 00:51.55 | popolon | http://www.mele.cn/en/web/pro_show.aspx?cid=46&pid=60 |
| 00:52.40 | WarheadsSE | they are china yes |
| 00:53.06 | popolon | Probably at the same city than AllWinner (Zhuhai) |
| 00:53.48 | popolon | oh no, they are at Shenzhen, the other side of the pearl river delta |
| 00:54.00 | popolon | ~1 hour by boat ;p |
| 00:55.07 | popolon | So if cubiboard is to be sold, could be good to update specs/pics and to have a working method to buy it :) |
| 00:55.37 | WarheadsSE | heh |
| 00:55.42 | hno | I don't think the cubieboard store have opened just yet. |
| 00:56.19 | hno | any day |
| 00:56.47 | popolon | there is a add to card button... that don't work :) |
| 00:58.09 | WarheadsSE | heh |
| 00:58.17 | WarheadsSE | patience padawan |
| 00:58.39 | popolon | ok, will try to wait before buying a Mele :) |
| 00:58.56 | popolon | s/before/instead of/ |
| 00:59.19 | popolon | huhu |
| 00:59.29 | popolon | nice bot |
| 00:59.44 | Marex | ibot: help |
| 01:00.12 | Marex | where can I find x |
| 01:00.28 | Marex | ibot: where can I find x? |
| 01:00.32 | Marex | bah :) |
| 01:00.54 | popolon | :) |
| 01:00.58 | popolon | goodnight all |
| 01:00.59 | Marex | that xxx.com example is really funny in the "help" command ;-) |
| 01:01.50 | Marex | back to my japaneese studies ... my head might soon explode :( |
| 01:04.24 | lundman | 日本語を連取！ |
| 01:04.44 | furan | heh |
| 01:04.51 | Turl | lundman: most of us don't understand chinese |
| 01:04.58 | Turl | </troll> |
| 01:05.12 | furan | 船尾 |
| 01:05.47 | lundman | そーだね |
| 01:06.09 | furan | 精子 |
| 01:08.36 | popolon | 我明白中文；） |
| 01:09.36 | popolon | lot of terms are wrote the same in chinese and japanese |
| 01:10.04 | Turl | こんにちは。私は日本語を話せません。 |
| 01:10.37 | popolon | ^^ |
| 01:10.55 | Marex | lundman: I really wanted to take a goddamn break! |
| 01:10.57 | popolon | こんにち=>今日 ？ |
| 01:11.52 | Marex | I'll go sleep over it, I pushed it too much today |
| 01:12.03 | Turl | lundman: そーだね = "I soda" ? wtf lol |
| 01:12.35 | Marex | Turl: your translation is flat wrong ;-) |
| 01:12.59 | furan | what's it mean |
| 01:13.00 | Turl | Marex: of course :D I used google translate ;) |
| 01:13.23 | furan | what does it mean? |
| 01:13.43 | popolon | soodane ? |
| 01:14.14 | Marex | lundman: japaneese excercises ... that's it, right ? |
| 01:14.23 | Marex | lundman: don't laugh tho, I'm not completely sure |
| 01:14.33 | lundman | ye |
| 01:15.04 | Marex | lundman: really ? |
| 01:15.09 | Marex | :) |
| 01:15.27 | lundman | japanese practise if you will |
| 01:15.49 | lundman | you guys are distractingme for installing work servers :) |
| 01:15.50 | Marex | excercises is more physical ... all right |
| 01:15.55 | popolon | 曹達を飲みますか？ |
| 01:16.08 | Marex | lundman: ehehe ... very well, afk, sleep or reviewing |
| 01:16.13 | Marex | lundman: and thanks |
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| 01:16.31 | lundman | anything not to do chores :) |
| 01:16.48 | pino_otto | hello |
| 01:16.53 | pino_otto | i am new here |
| 01:16.56 | popolon | 曹達=そうだ |
| 01:17.16 | pino_otto | i have a question about the Mele A2000 |
| 01:17.18 | Marex | popolon: so:da ... that's it |
| 01:17.35 | pino_otto | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/546571245-Mele-A2000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html |
| 01:17.47 | Marex | popolon: and sou da is written in hiragana ... but I ain't expert |
| 01:18.04 | Marex | pino_otto: go ahead and ask :) |
| 01:18.07 | pino_otto | does the Mele A2000 has the CE mark? |
| 01:18.19 | lundman | any progress on A10 anyway? any new xbmc? |
| 01:18.34 | pino_otto | CE certification to sell it in Europe, not CE = China Export |
| 01:18.41 | Marex | hno: any progress on upstreaming a10 uboot ? ;-) |
| 01:19.07 | furan | I'm guessing offensive+perveted |
| 01:19.11 | popolon | Marex that's a suprise for me, I supposed that soda was a foreigner word so should bi in katakana |
| 01:19.14 | furan | ( そーだね) |
| 01:19.19 | popolon | but that's in kanji |
| 01:19.44 | popolon | mi english japanese (and japanese=> english) dictionnaries both have it in kanji |
| 01:19.52 | popolon | will try the ultimate test => wikipedia |
| 01:19.56 | Marex | popolon: but it's no "soda" as in drink ... gulp gulp |
| 01:20.11 | lundman | you guys are off on quite the tangent |
| 01:20.18 | popolon | https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%BD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80 |
| 01:20.21 | lundman | we all desperate to avoid work today? |
| 01:20.39 | Marex | lundman: 3:20 in the morning here ... and waaay too much work to do tomorrow |
| 01:20.49 | furan | I just finished a huge product push, so until we start planning for the next one I am in super lazy funtime mode |
| 01:20.51 | popolon | ソーダ <= this should be the drink |
| 01:21.20 | lundman | 皆さんお疲れさまです |
| 01:21.25 | Marex | I'm in "it's compiling" mode ;-) |
| 01:22.34 | furan | this 9 is fancy |
| 01:22.37 | furan | すhe has a hat |
| 01:22.43 | popolon | I seen some article about huawei SoC too (hivision, a bit more powerfull HiSilicon K3v2 => Cortex A9 4cores and 16cores gpu |
| 01:22.45 | furan | tophat nine, that's what his friends call him |
| 01:23.14 | furan | can't wait for sun6i |
| 01:23.23 | Marex | popolon: huawei going for it's own soc ? :S |
| 01:23.36 | popolon | hivision, a division |
| 01:23.52 | popolon | they will sell it in Ascend D Quad XL |
| 01:24.01 | Marex | what's that ? |
| 01:24.04 | popolon | (a phone) |
| 01:24.08 | popolon | and in a tablet |
| 01:24.10 | Marex | Descent A :p |
| 01:24.11 | popolon | (at least) |
| 01:24.26 | Marex | that's what it's gonna be if they screw up ;-) |
| 01:24.43 | popolon | http://www.hisilicon.com/news/news/k3v2_20120226.html |
| 01:24.47 | popolon | oh ! |
| 01:24.52 | popolon | there is wrote TAIWAN :) |
| 01:25.09 | popolon | this is a mainland company (shenzhen) |
| 01:25.45 | popolon | but use Foxconn (shenzhen manufcacture from taiwanese company) just beside them to manufacture their products |
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| 01:26.07 | popolon | (the same place than Samsung, Apple, Nokia, etc... |
| 01:26.33 | popolon | don't understand why there is this TAIWAN word then |
| 01:27.19 | popolon | http://www.huaweidevice.com/worldwide/productFeatures.do?pinfoId=3265&directoryId=6001&treeId=3745&tab=0 |
| 01:30.36 | popolon | too much picture, not enough specifications :) |
| 01:31.35 | popolon | still not sold, already an answer at troubleshooting :D |
| 01:31.51 | popolon | Simple problem-solving |
| 01:31.52 | popolon | Through the settings, restart, restore, update and so on. These simple methods can solve more than half of your problems. |
| 01:31.54 | popolon | huhu |
| 01:32.07 | Turl | pino_otto: my Mele box says "CE" |
| 01:32.19 | Turl | no idea if it's china export or the european union thingy though :) |
| 01:32.49 | Marex | Turl: crappy electronics ;-) |
| 01:33.46 | ZaEarl | Designed for Windows CE |
| 01:35.30 | Marex | ZaEarl: that's a complete excrement :p |
| 01:35.34 | popolon | there is a trick to recognize them on wikipedia |
| 01:36.12 | popolon | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_mark#Misuse |
| 01:36.21 | Turl | this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CE_marks.jpg |
| 01:36.34 | popolon | yes |
| 01:36.55 | Marex | http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/14/marvell-pxa988-and-pxa986-chips-support-3g-for-china-and-the-world/ ewwww |
| 01:37.15 | Turl | looks like an european one to me |
| 01:37.23 | Turl | isn't the CE mark self assigned anyway? |
| 01:39.12 | popolon | probably :)) |
| 01:39.15 | pino_otto | Turl: thanks for your information |
| 01:39.44 | popolon | bye |
| 01:39.56 | Marex | who cares anyway ... what are you afraid of ? |
| 01:51.23 | hno | Marex, none yet. But I do have JTAG running now. |
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| 02:31.59 | furan | hey hno, do you know much about the nand controller? every part I've studied in nand_id.c has table entries that do not match what is in the datasheets for the parts |
| 02:32.16 | furan | (for the a10) |
| 02:42.47 | Marex | hno: おおお |
| 02:42.49 | Marex | damn |
| 02:42.54 | Marex | hno: ooo |
| 02:43.02 | Marex | hno: good :) |
| 02:43.52 | Marex | I'm just fixing a bit of an upstream breakage ... it's a crazy thing to run CI builds :/ |
| 02:43.55 | Marex | gnight |
| 02:44.27 | Marex | おやすみなさい (google translate should pick this like that ;-) ) |
| 04:12.45 | furan | sweet, got UART working for the first time |
| 04:14.40 | Boulet | :) |
| 04:14.49 | Boulet | our dear old uart !!!! |
| 04:16.12 | furan | haha |
| 05:01.52 | furan | hey Turl are you around? |
| 05:02.09 | furan | or anyone, does anyone know how the sdcard partition gets set up in android where the rest of the flash is used? |
| 05:02.17 | furan | it doesn't seem to be a partition defined in the config |
| 05:11.49 | ZaEarl | furan, I'm not sure I understand your question. LiveSuit typically handles the partitioning of the flash. |
| 05:16.43 | furan | right, but the partitions in the config file never contain the partition used for the 'internal sdcard' |
| 05:16.48 | furan | and yet it gets a nand partition |
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| 05:28.05 | ZaEarl | which "config file"? |
| 05:30.17 | furan | sys_config.fex |
| 05:30.54 | furan | which is used on the device side by an axf when livesuit asks the device to run it |
| 05:34.02 | furan | it is the 'UDISK' partition, it is always the last partition, and it is not defined in this file |
| 05:37.50 | furan | found it |
| 05:38.12 | furan | in tools.dll in livesuit, when it asks for partitions to be set up, it adds 'UDISK' to the end, it's hardcoded |
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| 06:12.43 | hno | furan, not very familiar with the NAND controller unfortunately. Focusing on DRAM & USB at the moment. |
| 06:12.48 | hno | NAND is next. |
| 06:14.02 | furan | np. slowly working things out. |
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| 07:32.32 | hno | RaYmAn, do you happen to have the SD JTAG boot block snippet nearby? |
| 07:53.39 | RaYmAn | yeah, sec |
| 07:54.05 | RaYmAn | want the packaged one or the source? |
| 07:54.20 | hno | both would be handy. |
| 07:55.01 | RaYmAn | http://skumler.net/fel-loop.sunxi |
| 07:55.12 | RaYmAn | I'll add the code to sunxi-tools, if that makes sense? |
| 07:56.11 | hno | yes |
| 07:58.25 | RaYmAn | there |
| 07:58.46 | RaYmAn | Optimizations were being stupid, so it ended up being an assembly program |
| 08:01.32 | hno | fel-loop? |
| 08:02.10 | hno | jtag-loop i would think |
| 08:02.52 | hno | and there is no license blurb.. |
| 08:03.04 | hno | RaYmAn? |
| 08:05.12 | RaYmAn | yeah, ok, I forgot that bit |
| 08:05.13 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 08:06.41 | RaYmAn | ok, fixed |
| 08:09.14 | hno | an intersting effect of having jtag wired is that it works having both sdcard and jtag probe connected at same time. |
| 08:22.49 | hno | RaYmAn, what optimization issues? Translated it to C and ends up being almost exact same instructions, only differing in registers used and order of the constants |
| 08:26.04 | hno | C version pushed. |
| 08:27.25 | RaYmAn | yeah, I guess that works =P |
| 08:27.33 | RaYmAn | i was doing the pretty way in C ;) |
| 08:27.41 | RaYmAn | with fancy OR'ing and stuff |
| 08:27.51 | RaYmAn | Was being stupid :) |
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| 08:43.43 | hno | Ah, regarding stupid.. somehow the JTAG probe works better if it's connected. Tried usign it with bot USB and JTAG cables disconencted from the probe... |
| 08:43.52 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 08:43.57 | RaYmAn | surprising ;) |
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| 08:53.10 | hno | Hmm.. why isn't it booting from SD? |
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| 08:56.34 | hno | Seems the SD was poorly seated in the socket or something. |
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| 09:06.19 | lundman | my SDonly work every second power on :) |
| 09:06.27 | lundman | but we had that discussion before |
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| 09:24.32 | rz2k | RaYmAn: Turl: http://linux-sunxi.org/Bollywood_-_An_Insider%27s_View http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Mariano1zaAguirre http://linux-sunxi.org/Asian_Bride_Hair_Styles http://linux-sunxi.org/User:KatrinaT3 |
| 09:24.37 | rz2k | :/ |
| 09:27.15 | Mazon | never have open registration for a wiki .. |
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| 10:00.05 | rm | Mazon, yes, if only someone invented some sort of automated test to tell bots apart from humans |
| 10:00.20 | rm | maybe they could call it a Captcha or something |
| 10:03.02 | Mazon | Meh, have that on a board and wiki I manage, doesn't work |
| 10:03.25 | Mazon | unless you do your own capthca |
| 10:03.38 | Mazon | if you use an existing one, it will be broken |
| 10:03.48 | rm | reCAPTCHA? |
| 10:03.55 | Mazon | already broken |
| 10:04.19 | rm | http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/12215635.jpg |
| 10:04.20 | Mazon | I added a fairly simple, but project related, question to the signup process - never had any spam since :) |
| 10:04.48 | Mazon | http://hackaday.com/tag/recaptcha/ |
| 10:05.05 | RaYmAn | sometimes you start to wonder if those spam companies just hire real people to do the spam |
| 10:05.25 | Mazon | they do, acutally |
| 10:05.27 | RaYmAn | I mean, if it makes sense to hire people to farm goal in e.g. wow, surely it could make sense to have real people do spam :P |
| 10:05.28 | Mazon | actually |
| 10:05.54 | Mazon | real people posting shit - but since the signup question is technical and project related, they never get in |
| 10:05.57 | Mazon | works awesomely |
| 10:06.04 | Mazon | AND it filters out all the rookies too |
| 10:06.31 | Mazon | I do find random posts on the net, where people ask what the solution is |
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| 11:08.07 | rm | capacitive A13 for $55 http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/NEW-7-inch-android-4-0-Capacitive-Screen-Camera-WIFI-allwinner-a13-tablet-pc/601953_439657132.html |
| 11:09.49 | lundman | A13? |
| 11:09.56 | lundman | 3 better than A10? |
| 11:10.45 | RaYmAn | it's a10's little brother :P |
| 11:12.18 | lundman | its less good? |
| 11:12.41 | RaYmAn | it has few features removed, yes |
| 11:12.57 | lundman | which is better than a10 |
| 11:12.59 | RaYmAn | no HDMI, no SATA and possibly other things |
| 11:19.59 | orly_owl | so the soc with /less/ features has the /higher/ number. great. |
| 11:20.46 | orly_owl | at that price i might buy one |
| 11:21.23 | specing | orly_owl: marketing :P |
| 11:21.35 | orly_owl | hmm probably |
| 11:22.05 | orly_owl | what touchscreen ui for a tablet will run on debian? |
| 11:22.08 | specing | How else do you explain the advertise 1.5GHz clock? |
| 11:22.14 | orly_owl | true |
| 11:22.22 | orly_owl | its actually 1ghz iirc |
| 11:22.35 | RaYmAn | you just need to add clocks up, then it surely ends at 1.5ghz ;P |
| 11:22.47 | rm | specing, don't forget it's also "Many Core" |
| 11:22.55 | rm | i.e. ARM core + Mali core |
| 11:23.14 | lundman | so we want A1 ? |
| 11:23.19 | rm | and two is already "many" |
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| 11:23.28 | specing | rm: you can't just add cores like that |
| 11:23.30 | rm | or do they count video core as third, I forgot |
| 11:23.33 | specing | It doesen't work that way |
| 11:23.40 | rm | works for marketing! |
| 11:23.56 | rm | that's my point :) |
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| 11:24.15 | specing | ... |
| 11:24.23 | lundman | mmmm kläddkaka |
| 11:24.38 | orly_owl | so, debian for a tablet? |
| 11:24.49 | orly_owl | *debian ui |
| 11:25.46 | ZaEarl | nothing really |
| 11:26.23 | orly_owl | aha |
| 11:28.24 | rm | GNOME3! |
| 11:28.26 | rm | *trollface* |
| 11:29.10 | orly_owl | unity |
| 11:29.48 | rm | that too |
| 11:29.52 | rm | but afaik it's not in Debian |
| 11:29.55 | ZaEarl | As much as I hate Unity for the desktop, it's probably the closest to usable. |
| 11:31.00 | orly_owl | i almost forgot about kde plasma active http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active |
| 11:32.16 | ZaEarl | Active is promising. |
| 11:37.48 | orly_owl | if only i could find a screenshot |
| 11:38.42 | rz2k | whats the status of sun5i ? |
| 11:39.02 | rz2k | I mean, we have kernel/uboot/is spl changed from a10? |
| 11:39.13 | orly_owl | finally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_Active#Plasma_Active |
| 11:41.52 | specing | best tablet UI? |
| 11:42.00 | specing | a portable keyboard. |
| 11:42.45 | specing | How much ram does that thing even consume? |
| 11:43.44 | orly_owl | shrugs |
| 11:43.48 | orly_owl | it /is/ kde |
| 11:44.40 | specing | yeah |
| 11:44.50 | specing | KDE4 made me switch to gnome |
| 11:45.07 | specing | gnome3 made me switch to xfce |
| 11:45.26 | specing | finally I abandoned all hope on normal WMs and went with tiling instead |
| 11:47.14 | orly_owl | heh |
| 11:47.26 | orly_owl | you didnt switch from xfce to lxde? |
| 11:47.51 | specing | no, though I have it installed on computers that are likely to be used by others |
| 11:48.14 | orly_owl | ah |
| 11:48.27 | hno | rz2k, sun5i kernel seems to work, but testing coverage is far from 100% |
| 11:48.31 | specing | Actually I switched to xfce even before gnome3... it was just horrible |
| 11:49.09 | orly_owl | well debian is using xfce now |
| 11:49.20 | hno | rz2k, working on u-boot spl, |
| 11:50.37 | hno | we do have official a13 u-boot sources, but those lack spl capability. |
| 11:50.42 | jelly-home | orly_owl: that's just the default choice. xfce has been in debian for years now |
| 11:51.10 | specing | I don't know why people still use normal WMs |
| 11:51.23 | orly_owl | true |
| 11:51.44 | specing | Once you see what a tiling WM can do... |
| 11:51.50 | specing | There is no going back |
| 11:53.00 | orly_owl | i used ratpoison |
| 11:53.18 | orly_owl | it made me type more |
| 11:54.14 | jelly-home | does A13 ram extend the maximum ram size to something more than 1GiB? |
| 11:54.22 | jelly-home | controller* |
| 11:57.12 | hno | jelly-home, the oppisite, it's limited to 512. |
| 11:58.00 | hno | jelly-home, max for A10 is 2GB actually. But have not seen any devices with more than 1GB. |
| 11:59.07 | hno | A13 is all about cutting costs for a low end tablet. It's all it is designed for. |
| 11:59.45 | jelly-home | ah, I'm looking to make a possible fancy set-top box |
| 12:01.42 | hno | jelly-home, A10 is a good match for that. A13 defenitely not. |
| 12:04.19 | hno | jelly-home, A10 also have TS insterfaces for integrating DVB receivers etc, but very little is known about those. |
| 12:04.31 | orly_owl | plasma active on tablet http://share.basyskom.com/contour/UIDesign/RC2_plasma_active_two-with_Audio.ogv |
| 12:12.42 | Marex | basyskom :) |
| 12:28.18 | phh | hno: i'm using a dvb streamer that outputs TS on http, and hardware decoding badly works on it, i need to use mx player in software mode ... |
| 12:40.45 | rm | Xfce is awesome |
| 12:40.49 | rm | nothing is horrible about it |
| 12:42.04 | Turl | hno: I see you went on a "nuke all the pages" spree and killed mnemoc's talk page in the process :P |
| 12:43.15 | Turl | hipboi_: cool, mali r3p0 :) any chance you got an r3p0 for android? |
| 12:53.39 | WarheadsSE | Turl: new mali set? |
| 12:54.15 | Turl | yep |
| 12:54.23 | Turl | WarheadsSE: http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400 |
| 12:55.10 | WarheadsSE | mm |
| 12:55.24 | WarheadsSE | maybe this one will accept Xorg 1.12 >.< |
| 12:55.51 | Turl | r3p0 is latest http://www.malideveloper.com/developer-resources/drivers/open-source-mali-gpus-linux-exadri2-and-x11-display-drivers.php |
| 12:56.01 | Turl | you'll need to update the kernel land too |
| 12:56.18 | Turl | I'd do it but I don't have the android libs *hint* :P |
| 12:56.18 | WarheadsSE | mm |
| 12:56.32 | WarheadsSE | I dont have the android land either. |
| 12:56.52 | WarheadsSE | albeit, all I need from this targz is the EGL/GLES |
| 12:57.04 | WarheadsSE | I was building the UMP/Mali from source |
| 12:57.25 | Turl | eh.. |
| 12:57.31 | Turl | there's no sauce for libMali |
| 12:57.36 | WarheadsSE | mk |
| 12:57.39 | Turl | I mean, it's part of the DDK == highly proprietary :) |
| 12:57.42 | WarheadsSE | ump/xf86-video-mali |
| 12:58.00 | WarheadsSE | Yeah.. still pestering on getting that. |
| 12:58.09 | Turl | there's source for libump |
| 12:58.16 | Turl | but it requires ddk headers afaik |
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| 12:58.29 | WarheadsSE | apparently it takes a while when you cont have a few MM to chuck around like canoncial & linaro |
| 12:58.41 | hno | Turl, i did, it was crap |
| 12:58.43 | WarheadsSE | hmm, my UMP built just fine |
| 12:59.24 | Turl | hno: that's the purpose of talk pages :) |
| 12:59.50 | Turl | we really need a recaptcha on the wiki |
| 13:00.04 | WarheadsSE | Turl: my major issues were in the 1.12 vs the linaros built-against 1.11 |
| 13:00.34 | hno | WarheadsSE, were fixed? |
| 13:01.00 | WarheadsSE | idk, device not in front of me |
| 13:01.57 | lundman | hahah, finally solved my IPTV glitches issue, its all down to Win7 and hibernation in the end |
| 13:02.56 | orly_owl | boo w7 |
| 13:03.06 | orly_owl | your isp provides iptv? |
| 13:03.40 | lundman | HikariTV is IPTV-ish |
| 13:03.52 | lundman | but it would "randomly" freak out |
| 13:04.02 | orly_owl | HikariTV? |
| 13:04.19 | lundman | http://flets.com/english/bb/hikaritv/ |
| 13:05.18 | orly_owl | ah |
| 13:05.43 | Turl | karaoke service lol |
| 13:07.43 | orly_owl | well it is a japanese tv station |
| 13:07.50 | orly_owl | karaoke is vital |
| 13:11.53 | WarheadsSE | Turl: hno .. so these [http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400] negate the need for these [http://www.malideveloper.com/developer-resources/drivers/open-source-mali-gpus-linux-exadri2-and-x11-display-drivers.php] ? |
| 13:11.56 | rz2k | I still dont get, we have a success with mali x11 or not? |
| 13:12.12 | WarheadsSE | I have had success in the past yes, but not full acceleration |
| 13:13.52 | rz2k | great, will you share your results? |
| 13:14.07 | WarheadsSE | hmm, where did those damn rhombus mali pages goe |
| 13:14.17 | hno | WarheadsSE, no idea. Haven't looked into mali at all. |
| 13:14.19 | WarheadsSE | (dont have my liks from home) |
| 13:14.37 | WarheadsSE | Because prior instructions were: |
| 13:14.39 | hno | other than observing that the kernel driver is odd. |
| 13:14.55 | WarheadsSE | DL the pack, extract to /usr/lib |
| 13:15.18 | WarheadsSE | DL the UMP, build that |
| 13:15.23 | WarheadsSE | DL the xf86, build that |
| 13:15.29 | WarheadsSE | add conf, run |
| 13:15.44 | WarheadsSE | and that, my friends, is where I got X11 horking |
| 13:17.47 | hno | WarheadsSE, is this the page you look for? http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/Compile_X11_driver_for_A10/ |
| 13:17.50 | WarheadsSE | the openvg is new to this r3 |
| 13:17.59 | WarheadsSE | Yeah, just found it |
| 13:20.13 | WarheadsSE | currently staring at cnx @ the netbook |
| 13:20.50 | Turl | WarheadsSE: no, not at all |
| 13:21.04 | Turl | you need both to get any kind of thing working as far as I understand |
| 13:21.08 | WarheadsSE | So then my process is pretty much as-is |
| 13:21.12 | Turl | one is like the glue, the other one is the actual thing |
| 13:21.57 | WarheadsSE | get $proprietary, extract, get ump, build, install, get xf86, build, install |
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| 13:54.21 | Quarx | someone good in ida? i need small help or tips:) |
| 13:55.11 | WarheadsSE | "ida" |
| 13:55.28 | Turl | WarheadsSE: IDA the awesome debugger |
| 13:55.29 | rm | iDa |
| 13:56.48 | WarheadsSE | googles |
| 13:57.06 | WarheadsSE | this ? http://www.hex-rays.com/products/ida/index.shtml |
| 13:57.10 | Turl | yup |
| 13:57.36 | WarheadsSE | sweeteet |
| 13:58.11 | Quarx | ida not checking operand for ARM:( |
| 13:58.26 | Turl | Quarx: which operand? |
| 13:59.06 | Quarx | i need replace adrees, http://epsy.ath.cx:888/paste/?794 0xFFFF0FFF to 0xFFFF0FEF |
| 13:59.19 | Quarx | in hex it: 0F 3A E0 E3 |
| 14:00.07 | Turl | so? |
| 14:00.42 | Quarx | but, i'm not fully understand, how i can do it. |
| 14:00.59 | Quarx | MOV R3, 0xFFFF0FFF = 0F 3A E0 E3 |
| 14:01.02 | Turl | Quarx: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/553461/DDI0403D_arm_architecture_v7m_reference_manual_errata_markup_1_0.pdf :D |
| 14:01.30 | Turl | Quarx: and this question I asked on stack overflow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9053178/how-does-arm-movw-instruction-map-to-machine-code |
| 14:01.54 | Turl | it's for mov.w but hopefully it helps you understand it and you can use the manual to get the details for the "mov" :) |
| 14:02.54 | Quarx | after edit in "manual mode", it not updated in HEX mode |
| 14:03.27 | Turl | I don't think you can edit code on ida |
| 14:03.32 | Turl | it'd be a nice feature though |
| 14:04.07 | Boulet | i'm wondering if they sell cracked IDA on chinese streets |
| 14:04.23 | Turl | Boulet: heh |
| 14:04.41 | Turl | Boulet: I'd take cracked hex rays decompiler for ARM :D |
| 14:04.57 | Turl | the thing is like several KUS$ for a license :P |
| 14:05.06 | Boulet | it would probably come with a few viruses attached ;) |
| 14:05.16 | Turl | I don't care, isolated VM ;) |
| 14:05.29 | Boulet | hehe smart |
| 14:05.51 | Quarx | i have hex rays only for x86 |
| 14:05.56 | Boulet | those chinese viruses, they jump out of the VM ;) |
| 14:06.00 | Turl | yeah the x86 is easy to find |
| 14:06.13 | Turl | I've looked and no traces of any hex rays for arm floating on the 'net |
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| 14:06.44 | Turl | Boulet: isolated physical box :D |
| 14:06.44 | Turl | they can't jump that |
| 14:07.16 | Boulet | it's like getting out of the matrix ...... take the right pill hehe |
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| 15:14.37 | Tsvetan | hi |
| 15:17.06 | WarheadsSE | hello |
| 15:40.39 | revident | WarheadsSE, how is the Arch port to the APC going? I saw from the apc.io forum you've got two of the boards on hand? |
| 15:40.44 | Boulet | arg missed tsvetan, too bad |
| 15:44.14 | WarheadsSE | what huh |
| 15:44.26 | WarheadsSE | revident: yes, even had one at fosscon |
| 15:44.36 | WarheadsSE | atm, havent had time to focus on it |
| 15:44.44 | WarheadsSE | got it thursday |
| 15:45.49 | revident | *nods* WarheadsSE, have you been working with xenoxaos at all? I was helping him a bit when I first got my two boards. |
| 15:46.15 | xenoxaos | who do yo uthink gave it to him? |
| 15:47.40 | WarheadsSE | ^ |
| 15:48.05 | WarheadsSE | xenoxaos: and I work closely together |
| 15:48.10 | WarheadsSE | there are only 5 of us after all |
| 15:55.53 | revident | I suspected, but had not reason to be sure. |
| 16:02.11 | WarheadsSE | :) |
| 16:02.36 | WarheadsSE | basically, same as everyone else at this point, kernel sucks. |
| 16:09.13 | hno | RaYmAn, have you tried if DCC works? |
| 16:09.36 | RaYmAn | hno: no, I'm not really familiar with DCC |
| 16:09.53 | Turl | IRC DCC? |
| 16:10.03 | RaYmAn | I think he means in relation to jtag |
| 16:10.04 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 16:10.14 | Turl | yeah I figured :) |
| 16:12.08 | RaYmAn | what's the advantage? Not having to use UART? or? |
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| 16:53.51 | rz2k | RaYmAn: debugging UART itself and everything that is before UART init. |
| 16:57.44 | hno | RaYmAn, always works no matter what state the system is in. |
| 16:58.07 | hno | even while doing magic dancing with the MMU. |
| 16:58.43 | hno | plus no separate UART cable needed. |
| 17:02.46 | hno | plus if there is hardware tracing enabled then you have a single trace of both hardware and software events. |
| 17:03.26 | hno | no idea what level of hardware tracing there is in the A1X. |
| 17:05.03 | hno | It's annoying there is no debug rom table, or at least none seen by openocd. |
| 17:05.08 | furan | jtag dcc sounds cool |
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| 17:06.54 | hno | thinks ethernet over jtag is more cool. |
| 17:10.54 | hno | DCC is handy in low level stuff, but crap from a driver perspective. |
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| 17:50.20 | furan | does mk802 expose jtag? |
| 17:57.27 | RaYmAn | hno: really? I'm getting a debug rom table on mine..Admittedly, it's limited to a single entry :/ |
| 18:04.13 | hno | RaYmAn, you do? |
| 18:05.20 | hno | Mine says: > dap info |
| 18:05.20 | hno | AP ID register 0x44770001 |
| 18:05.20 | hno | Type is MEM-AP AHB |
| 18:05.20 | hno | AP BASE 0xffffffff |
| 18:05.20 | hno | No ROM table present |
| 18:05.41 | Turl | http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/15/meet-ubi-the-totally-voice-controlled-android-computer-you-plug-into-a-wall-outlet/ seen this? |
| 18:05.48 | Turl | there's an open MK802 on the video lol |
| 18:05.54 | Turl | ~01:40 |
| 18:08.35 | RaYmAn | hno: dap info 1 |
| 18:08.47 | RaYmAn | the rom table is on the APB |
| 18:08.56 | hno | Ah |
| 18:09.15 | hno | Turl, how did that end up there? |
| 18:10.19 | Turl | hno: idk really :P |
| 18:10.49 | RaYmAn | furan: you can access it through the microsd pins witha breakout |
| 18:11.41 | Turl | "800 MHz ARM Cortex-A8 Processor" |
| 18:11.48 | Turl | underclocked A10 maybe? :P |
| 18:12.46 | RaYmAn | 189$ ouch |
| 18:14.13 | Turl | someone on XDA will "port" the software to something cheaper RaYmAn for sure :P |
| 18:14.37 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 18:14.44 | RaYmAn | it's probably just google now |
| 18:14.45 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 18:14.53 | Turl | haha yeah possibly |
| 18:15.03 | Turl | android 41 |
| 18:15.05 | Turl | 4.1* |
| 18:15.31 | hno | RaYmAn, thanks, trhat worked better. |
| 18:16.03 | RaYmAn | hno: I have had absolutely zero luck accessing the memory it points at though. As in, no matter what I get all zeroes |
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| 18:17.50 | hno | RaYmAn, can you access the romtable? |
| 18:18.45 | RaYmAn | hno: not sure |
| 18:19.01 | hno | it's in the same bus |
| 18:19.21 | hno | and openocd obviously reads that one somehow |
| 18:21.32 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 18:23.38 | RaYmAn | I got some kind of values out of cp14 with the openocd mrc command, but I didn't spend enough time on it to decode the values to see if they are sane |
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| 18:58.16 | repozitor1 | is this channel establish for SAM7X256? |
| 18:59.07 | hno | repozitor1, never heard of it. |
| 18:59.17 | hno | what is it? |
| 19:00.05 | repozitor1 | it has ARM7TDMI processor |
| 19:00.06 | hno | Atmel micro controller it seems. |
| 19:00.12 | repozitor1 | yes |
| 19:00.18 | RaYmAn | 55mhz! :P |
| 19:00.22 | tristezo2k2 | wild power! |
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| 19:00.25 | tristezo2k2 | :) |
| 19:00.25 | repozitor1 | :( |
| 19:00.40 | repozitor1 | no it's power is very small |
| 19:00.56 | tristezo2k2 | I was ironic :p |
| 19:00.58 | repozitor1 | it has powerfull power consuption |
| 19:00.59 | hno | we focus on fullblown system controllers capable of running Linux. |
| 19:01.38 | hno | actually we focus on just one family currently (Allwinner A1x), but many others are present here as well. |
| 19:02.28 | repozitor1 | is this channel for it or not? |
| 19:02.44 | hno | not really |
| 19:03.17 | repozitor1 | what the context of this channel? |
| 19:03.38 | hno | repozitor1, read tpopic? |
| 19:03.45 | hno | s/tpo/to/ |
| 19:04.29 | repozitor1 | no, now to reading |
| 19:04.44 | repozitor1 | ok, but i don't understand completely |
| 19:05.38 | RaYmAn | this channel isn't really for any particular device. But the common denomiator is probably: devices that can run full graphical linux. |
| 19:06.46 | repozitor1 | you mean that this channel didn't establish for arm chip? i.e sam7x256? |
| 19:07.23 | hno | repozitor1, can you run a linux desktop on it? |
| 19:07.23 | RaYmAn | It's definitely in the lower bracket performance-wise :P |
| 19:07.29 | RaYmAn | There are A LOT of arm chips out there |
| 19:08.11 | repozitor1 | hno, yes, but embeded linux no Desktop |
| 19:08.28 | repozitor1 | there is exist many project for it, like RTOS |
| 19:08.39 | repozitor1 | Real Time Operating System |
| 19:09.28 | hno | Is it the kind of CPU you would place in a ARM based netbook? |
| 19:10.27 | hno | not that ARM based netbooks is really the topic of this channel, but that's the class of CPUs we work with. |
| 19:10.51 | repozitor1 | ARM9TDMI can done your job fine |
| 19:11.08 | repozitor1 | newer version like cortext is very very powerfull too :P |
| 19:11.08 | hno | doubts |
| 19:11.41 | repozitor1 | can you tell me what processor you are work on it? |
| 19:12.00 | hno | repozitor1, I did. see above. |
| 19:12.24 | RaYmAn | Currently, most discussion in here is about Allwinner A10 as hno said. It's a Cortex A8 based SoC with a fairly powerful 3D engine and video engine |
| 19:12.47 | repozitor1 | yes |
| 19:13.03 | RaYmAn | It's 1ghz. |
| 19:13.15 | repozitor1 | thanks a lot for helping, |
| 19:13.15 | repozitor1 | if someone find the best channel for sam7 |
| 19:13.15 | repozitor1 | tell me in private message |
| 19:13.16 | repozitor1 | night |
| 19:13.33 | RaYmAn | fifia |
| 19:13.36 | RaYmAn | arg |
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| 19:13.46 | RaYmAn | that was...peculiar. |
| 19:15.35 | tristezo2k2 | btw,.... |
| 19:15.58 | tristezo2k2 | is it possible to move linux from SD to the internal nand space? |
| 19:16.09 | hno | tristezo2k2, yes. |
| 19:16.14 | tristezo2k2 | I see the SD mimics partitions on the nand, so it should.. |
| 19:16.16 | tristezo2k2 | great. |
| 19:16.42 | tristezo2k2 | and the tricky question, is it possible to go back to android? :) |
| 19:16.52 | hno | with a reflash yes. |
| 19:17.20 | hno | even possible to dual-boot probably, but most have fairly small nand. |
| 19:17.34 | tristezo2k2 | agreed... 4 gigs on mine. |
| 19:17.50 | tristezo2k2 | that reflash needs special hard or just the correct image and soft? |
| 19:18.20 | hno | tristezo2k2, just livesuite and your favorite Android image for the device in question. |
| 19:18.27 | tristezo2k2 | great. |
| 19:19.52 | tristezo2k2 | any place to read how to move it to nand? |
| 19:20.07 | tristezo2k2 | I mean, instead of 2 hours of frantical search, if you have it at hand :) |
| 19:20.51 | hno | tristezo2k2, do you have UART console? |
| 19:20.58 | tristezo2k2 | yes |
| 19:21.35 | tristezo2k2 | 115200 baud of wild transfer/second and working ok |
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| 22:14.49 | arokux_h | what u300 st-ericsson could mean? |
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| 22:53.31 | Turl | arokux_h: looks like a ST-Ericcson chip :) |
| 22:54.06 | arokux_h | yep, I thought I could find a name of a board it is in |
| 22:55.13 | Turl | arokux_h: the mach itself is merged on mainline, I don't see any boards though |
| 22:55.14 | Turl | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/arm/mach-u300/Kconfig |
| 22:56.19 | Turl | there's prototype boards apparently https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/arm/mach-u300/u300.c |
| 22:56.37 | arokux_h | http://goo.gl/K9DEF |
| 22:57.33 | Turl | /* Maintainer: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@stericsson.com> */ |
| 22:57.37 | Turl | maybe that guy knows :) |
| 22:57.52 | arokux_h | :D |
| 22:58.21 | Turl | why are you interested in it btw? |
| 23:16.07 | arokux_h | Turl, just curious |
