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| 00:20.13 | WarheadsSE | arg. |
| 00:20.29 | WarheadsSE | w/ X, vga, I have 2x the dispaly, at TINY rese on my screen .. :p |
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| 01:01.52 | Turl | new a10 android stick? |
| 01:01.55 | Turl | "AK802" |
| 01:02.07 | Turl | https://dx.com/p/ak802-mini-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-usb-black-4gb-1gb-ddr-iii-143431?utm_source=dx&utm_medium=albums&utm_campaign=android-4.0-mini-pc |
| 01:03.00 | WarheadsSE | maybe its actually 1G and 1.5Ghz |
| 01:03.24 | Turl | a guy I know bought it |
| 01:04.21 | Turl | he'll be using it to show Munin web console on a TV @ work :P |
| 01:05.23 | WarheadsSE | whats this? https://dx.com/p/google-android-4-0-hdmi-tv-box-w-4gb-wifi-rj45-av-out-sd-mmc-usb-remote-control-128319 |
| 01:05.40 | WarheadsSE | says is an A9 ? |
| 01:06.43 | WarheadsSE | ah.. loks like this https://dx.com/p/android-full-hd-1080p-media-player-w-usb-sd-hdmi-rj45-ports-black-2-x-aaa-102992 |
| 01:06.45 | Turl | read the reviews |
| 01:06.50 | Turl | ": The CPU is not an A9!!!!!. Actually, this unit comes with an A7 at 750MHz CPU." |
| 01:06.56 | WarheadsSE | heh |
| 01:07.26 | WarheadsSE | mp016 8726 / 800MHz |
| 01:07.31 | WarheadsSE | ARM Cortex A9/Media CPU/OpenGL ES 2.0 GPU/Dual-core Video DSP |
| 01:07.34 | WarheadsSE | mmmmmmk |
| 01:08.10 | WarheadsSE | ah well |
| 01:08.45 | WarheadsSE | was trying to work with X |
| 01:08.56 | WarheadsSE | getting segfault maperr trying to actually run apps. |
| 01:09.22 | WarheadsSE | looked at http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/chunsangjeong/mali-dev.git;a=tree;hb=HEAD .. 2.6.38?!? |
| 01:09.47 | WarheadsSE | although the rest of the mali driver may work fine |
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| 09:55.47 | RaYmAn | hno: duh. Problem was initialization order. Clocks have to be setup before touching UART regs |
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| 10:43.32 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: \o/ |
| 10:44.07 | mnemoc | WarheadsSE: afaik A7>A9 |
| 10:53.07 | RaYmAn | hno: also, confirmed that I can still load & boot a kernel over jtag after running the fixedup test1 |
| 10:53.45 | RaYmAn | So my theory is we really just need to get test1 to return to fel and we should be able to write & boot a linux kernel :D |
| 10:59.04 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: happen to remember the offset for accessing phys ram from virtual on a10/a13? |
| 10:59.26 | RaYmAn | aha, + 0xf0000000 I think |
| 11:00.08 | RaYmAn | or not |
| 11:00.11 | RaYmAn | that doesn't make sense |
| 11:00.11 | RaYmAn | :/ |
| 11:07.45 | mnemoc | arch/arm/mach-sun4i/include/mach/hardware.h:#define IO_ADDRESS(x) ((x) + 0xf0000000) |
| 11:10.08 | RaYmAn | it doesn't really work |
| 11:10.11 | RaYmAn | or I'm misunderstanding |
| 11:10.24 | RaYmAn | Like, I want to access 0x40000100 |
| 11:10.26 | mnemoc | #define SW_PA_IO_BASE 0x01c00000 |
| 11:10.27 | mnemoc | #define SW_VA_IO_BASE 0xf1c00000 |
| 11:10.47 | mnemoc | PA to VA seems to always be that 0xf0000000 |
| 11:11.11 | mnemoc | maybe.... #define SW_VA_DRAM_IO_BASE 0xf1c01000 |
| 11:11.24 | RaYmAn | yeah, but if you take 0xf0000000 and add to 0x40000100, you get 0x130008000 |
| 11:11.33 | RaYmAn | which is outside the valid range =P |
| 11:11.47 | RaYmAn | also, that's the base of the DRAM registers :/ |
| 11:12.23 | RaYmAn | hmm |
| 11:12.35 | RaYmAn | ok, so sdram starts at 0xc0000000 |
| 11:12.51 | RaYmAn | > virt2phys 0xc0000100 |
| 11:12.52 | RaYmAn | Physical address 0x40000100 |
| 11:15.43 | mnemoc | good point |
| 11:16.06 | RaYmAn | I guess this is just one of those things you have to accept as truth |
| 11:16.08 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 11:18.37 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 11:24.38 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: at some point, would you be able to maybe enable kexec + atags (doesn't matter whether kexec works, since I just need the atags stuff) on some a10 device and make a dump for me? :S It seems that without that feature enabled, kernel overwrites the atags |
| 11:32.46 | Boulet | i cleaned up my test1 a little bit, and now it returns to fel |
| 11:32.55 | Boulet | but i also removed uart init from it |
| 11:33.34 | RaYmAn | Boulet: have a look at hno's cleaned up variant |
| 11:33.51 | RaYmAn | that's missing the return to fel |
| 11:34.53 | Boulet | all the uart and printf are really not necessary, it was just during dev |
| 11:36.24 | RaYmAn | no, but it's nice to have still |
| 11:37.02 | RaYmAn | so for return to fel, did you just get rid of entry.S and put main at 0x0? |
| 11:38.51 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: on A10 I can give you the ATAGs given by hno's uboot. on A13 I can't yet because I don't have userspace yet |
| 11:39.13 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: a10 is fine - I just need the binary version |
| 11:39.35 | RaYmAn | I guess I could theoretically figure out how u-boot generates them and recreate that :S |
| 11:46.10 | mnemoc | give me 15m |
| 11:51.36 | mnemoc | CONFIG_ATAGS_PROC=y <--- that one? |
| 11:58.46 | RaYmAn | yup |
| 11:58.55 | RaYmAn | it requires the kexec config to work |
| 12:11.21 | mnemoc | my uart dongle decided to go on strike again :< |
| 12:17.28 | rz2k | whats the demand? :p |
| 12:17.35 | rz2k | more RX than TX? :p |
| 12:17.44 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:21.21 | mnemoc | now it's talking.... nonsense |
| 12:22.22 | mnemoc | back in 30m :'( |
| 12:35.00 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: nizar master * r2c76b50fbfda /allwinner_a10/orders/nizar.mdwn: |
| 13:04.00 | Mazon | http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-exynos-5-dual-specs-features-106609/ <-- would love this on a dev board |
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| 13:04.23 | Mazon | of course those would probably start at $1000 |
| 13:04.33 | Mazon | has hopes for droid-x |
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| 13:20.21 | RaYmAn | Boulet: what did you change to get it to return to fel? |
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| 13:34.54 | rm | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/586290261-free-shipping-7-inch-ICOO-D50-Deluxe-II-Tablet-PC-Allwinner-A13-1-2GHz-OS-4-wholesalers.html |
| 13:35.20 | rm | nice+small+cheap+capacitive+a10 |
| 13:35.44 | orly_owl | clicks |
| 13:36.21 | orly_owl | hmm that is cheap |
| 13:36.29 | orly_owl | now for the 10" model |
| 13:38.16 | WarheadsSE | cheeep |
| 13:39.15 | orly_owl | is it IPS though |
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| 13:40.41 | WarheadsSE | I'll have to try an updated kernel on my mele.. X borked :/ |
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| 14:02.19 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: my mele's uart is acting seriously weird... I have a loop echoing "test\n" to ttyS0, which according to stty is set at 115200 (as expected) but on the other end I receive "WH.WHY."... |
| 14:02.32 | mnemoc | also set at 115200... and same with 3 dongles |
| 14:03.34 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: I'll try updating the uboot of the SD to support uEnv.txt and try to start the test kernel that way |
| 14:03.37 | RaYmAn | odd |
| 14:03.54 | mnemoc | WH.WHYY.WH.WHYYY.WH.WH.WH. |
| 14:04.04 | mnemoc | looks kind of funny |
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| 14:06.58 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: test1 returns to fel now. (current git). fel write only writes first 8kb of what you give it, but it writes those correctly to ram ;) |
| 14:07.24 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: I verified by dumping with jtag, everything after 8kb is 'random' rather than the data (exactly 8kb mark) |
| 14:07.34 | RaYmAn | So fel tool probably does something wrong |
| 14:07.43 | RaYmAn | I might look into it later |
| 14:07.50 | RaYmAn | but once that is fixed, we should be able to boot kernel from fel |
| 14:08.51 | mnemoc | awesome |
| 14:10.15 | hno | RaYmAn, thanks! |
| 14:11.29 | mnemoc | .WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WHY.WH.WH.WHY.WH.WH.WH.WH.WHYY.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WHY.WHYYY.WHY.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH.WH...... why oh why :'( |
| 14:11.56 | hno | ? |
| 14:12.19 | mnemoc | that's what I'm receiving from while true; do echo test > /dev/ttyS0; sleep 1; done on the mele |
| 14:13.49 | hno | mnemoc, doublecheck baud rate |
| 14:14.04 | hno | stty -a </dev/ttyS0 |
| 14:14.07 | mnemoc | stty says both sides are 115200 |
| 14:14.09 | hno | on the mle |
| 14:14.46 | hno | is gnd properly connected? |
| 14:15.13 | mnemoc | yes, only gnd and tx atm |
| 14:16.38 | hno | do he uart work in a loop test? |
| 14:16.50 | mnemoc | 1m |
| 14:17.46 | hno | == connecting tx to rx on the uart module. anything you write should come back |
| 14:18.58 | mnemoc | yes, I'm getting my echo |
| 14:19.49 | mnemoc | http://dpaste.com/784372/ |
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| 14:21.44 | hno | gah, 14s RTT at the moment. only irc works |
| 14:22.07 | mnemoc | wifi troubles or your link to the world? |
| 14:22.53 | mnemoc | hno: doh, revived :) |
| 14:23.15 | mnemoc | hno: something did the loop test to the chip that now works |
| 14:23.16 | hno | 3g link |
| 14:23.42 | mnemoc | will you get LTS up there soon? |
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| 14:24.08 | hno | magic! rtt down to 150ms for me also |
| 14:24.25 | mnemoc | magical minute :) |
| 14:25.49 | hno | RaYmAn, what happened to entry.S? |
| 14:26.02 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: still need the atag? |
| 14:27.00 | mnemoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.21 | hno | ah, see now. We should also move to 0x2000 instead of 0. There is a stack at -0x2000 |
| 14:31.05 | hno | RaYmAn, must have been tired when doing fel write... |
| 14:32.16 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: https://filetea.me/t1sb7325 <--- atags from the mele booting hno's uboot |
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| 14:46.41 | hno | RaYmAn, fel write should be fixed now. |
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| 14:55.24 | RaYmAn | hno: I cleaned it up :P We don't actually need all the extra code that was in there - not when running from fel |
| 14:56.21 | RaYmAn | I guess I could have made a different .S instead. |
| 14:58.17 | Boulet | to init SDRAM ? |
| 14:58.37 | RaYmAn | Boulet: the .S isn't really part of initing sdram =P |
| 14:59.10 | Boulet | yeah |
| 14:59.17 | Boulet | it is not really necessary actually |
| 14:59.40 | RaYmAn | It's useful for proper baremetal, but given fel provides a pre-setup C enviroment with stack etc, it's not really needed :) |
| 14:59.43 | Boulet | as long as you know the address of the main function |
| 14:59.54 | RaYmAn | checkout my change |
| 15:00.22 | RaYmAn | I just changed entry.S to contain a start symbol that's placed a offset 0x0 and has a single "B main" instruction |
| 15:00.35 | RaYmAn | so you can always execute it from the address you upload to :) |
| 15:01.24 | Boulet | yeah |
| 15:01.37 | andropos | hello...does anyone here know the uhost (allwinner) device > |
| 15:01.38 | Boulet | before this the entry.s was supposed to have interrupt vectors |
| 15:01.38 | andropos | ? |
| 15:01.41 | Boulet | but they are not necessary |
| 15:01.54 | Mazon | is mele the only A10 unit with ethernet? |
| 15:02.23 | RaYmAn | indeed - unless we have plans to execute that code standalone outside of e.g. uboot spl or fel, there's no need to have it :) |
| 15:04.18 | andropos | Mazon @ why etherneet on a tv stick? |
| 15:04.36 | Mazon | andropos: huh? |
| 15:04.51 | Mazon | A10 is a SoC ... |
| 15:05.17 | andropos | u mean why do you need thernet on a tv stick? |
| 15:05.34 | Mazon | I dont, which is why I didn't ask about that |
| 15:05.46 | andropos | <Mazon> is mele the only A10 unit with ethernet? |
| 15:05.54 | Mazon | yes ... |
| 15:06.00 | Mazon | mele isnt a stick |
| 15:06.01 | andropos | so? |
| 15:06.05 | andropos | whats your question? |
| 15:06.23 | Mazon | andropos: http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v4/546571245_3/Mele-A2000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device.jpg <-- good luck sticking that in your tv |
| 15:06.34 | Mazon | is mele the only A10 unit with ethernet? <-- |
| 15:06.37 | Mazon | thats my question |
| 15:06.43 | andropos | ha |
| 15:06.57 | andropos | i mean whats your question? |
| 15:07.06 | andropos | there are lots of hd players with ethernet |
| 15:07.08 | Mazon | are you kidding me ? |
| 15:07.16 | andropos | aha ony a10 unit, sorry |
| 15:07.20 | Mazon | yes ... but it needs to be a10 |
| 15:07.26 | andropos | got it |
| 15:07.29 | andropos | sorry |
| 15:07.30 | Mazon | -.- |
| 15:07.46 | andropos | cant u use a USB to Ethernet adapter? |
| 15:08.08 | andropos | on A10 device? |
| 15:09.34 | Mazon | possibly |
| 15:10.10 | andropos | does anyone know the uhost device? |
| 15:10.20 | RaYmAn | only by name |
| 15:10.28 | phh | (i use usb to ethernet on H24/MiniX) |
| 15:10.45 | andropos | cos some seller for this device linked to this channel |
| 15:10.59 | RaYmAn | but in all likelyhood, it's more or less identical to all the other a10 devices in most aspects :P |
| 15:11.53 | andropos | how many a10 minipc device are there? |
| 15:11.58 | RaYmAn | lots |
| 15:12.02 | andropos | i only know mk802 and the uhost |
| 15:12.13 | RaYmAn | well, they aren't all in stick form I guess |
| 15:12.36 | andropos | yeah im talking tv stick / mini pc |
| 15:12.37 | andropos | not tablets |
| 15:12.51 | RaYmAn | there are other form factors for mini pc's than stick :P |
| 15:13.53 | andropos | im thinking of form factor stick |
| 15:14.27 | Mazon | telechips variants and a10 variants |
| 15:14.30 | Mazon | thats about it |
| 15:14.34 | andropos | i found that the uhost have some features that the mk802 doe snot have |
| 15:14.40 | Mazon | some with 1GB ram and some with 512 |
| 15:14.54 | andropos | yeah thats what i also found out |
| 15:15.21 | Mazon | rikomagic (mk802) are coming out with a new one just around the corner |
| 15:15.26 | andropos | so i only found 2 differnt a10 models so far |
| 15:15.34 | Mazon | and then dual cores at the end of the year it seems |
| 15:15.35 | andropos | whats the news? |
| 15:15.43 | andropos | yes i heard about dual |
| 15:15.45 | WarheadsSE | mk802/ak802/uhost |
| 15:16.21 | andropos | never heard of ak802 |
| 15:16.30 | WarheadsSE | only recently started cropping up |
| 15:16.46 | WarheadsSE | basically an MK802, I havent identified the difference yet |
| 15:16.47 | andropos | any differentce to mk802? |
| 15:16.51 | Mazon | cx-01 is the telechips one |
| 15:18.19 | andropos | yeah cx01 is telechips ... but i think a10 should be better for media decoding |
| 15:18.56 | andropos | what i found cool with uhost is that is has builtin wireless receiver |
| 15:19.18 | andropos | and the ukey |
| 15:19.39 | andropos | compared to mk802 |
| 15:19.39 | andropos | it also does not get very hot |
| 15:20.40 | andropos | it first time for me in this channel, may i know who heng out there? |
| 15:21.01 | andropos | i was suprprised to see a chinese seller to link to this channel |
| 15:22.10 | WarheadsSE | core developer for Arch Linux ARM |
| 15:22.23 | WarheadsSE | amery & hno & Turl & hipboi |
| 15:22.35 | WarheadsSE | all working on kernel on either linux/android side |
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| 15:22.48 | WarheadsSE | hipboi is that seller, btw |
| 15:23.12 | mnemoc | don't forget RaYmAn, rm, lundman, ... |
| 15:24.03 | rm | Tom Cubie is not your average 'chinese seller' |
| 15:25.02 | rm | afaik he works at Allwinner as a developer, and the shop is kind of a hobby for him |
| 15:26.57 | hno | rm, correct |
| 15:27.13 | andropos | is this hid store? |
| 15:27.14 | andropos | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/583304547-Smallart-Uhost-mini-pc-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html |
| 15:27.40 | mnemoc | andropos: yes |
| 15:27.41 | rm | yes |
| 15:28.08 | andropos | ic cool |
| 15:28.18 | rm | <andropos> how many a10 minipc device are there? <- here are some: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Allwinner_A10 |
| 15:28.21 | rm | you forgot the MiniX |
| 15:31.39 | andropos | rm thanks |
| 15:31.41 | andropos | very usefull info |
| 15:32.15 | andropos | im running a small forum about chinese tablets and started to look into the so called minipc devices |
| 15:32.46 | hno | there is aso cubieboard coming shortly |
| 15:32.58 | hno | and the olimex boards |
| 15:33.15 | WarheadsSE | right, which are A13 |
| 15:33.45 | hno | cubieboard is a10. olimex will have both. A13 varant first |
| 15:34.32 | hno | neither are sticks, but both A10 boards will have ethernet & sata. |
| 15:35.20 | rm | "boards" aren't nearly as interesting |
| 15:35.35 | rm | as they could have been if priced sanely compared to end-consumer devices |
| 15:36.00 | andropos | guys do you have an idea how much a uhist costs in china? |
| 15:36.04 | rm | other than the GPIO http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1743 |
| 15:36.25 | hno | pricing of all three boards is quite reasonable |
| 15:37.43 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: does the a13 board detect nand correctly when you boot it from custom kernel? |
| 15:38.31 | andropos | i found a supplier for uhost for 40 usd |
| 15:38.36 | andropos | do you think its resonable price? |
| 15:39.01 | hno | andropos, what is the minimum order @ 40 USD? |
| 15:39.48 | andropos | no minimum |
| 15:39.59 | RaYmAn | hno: not quite there yet =P USB fails - I'll add some debugging and see how far it gets before it fails |
| 15:40.02 | andropos | i just got one sample today |
| 15:40.38 | hno | and uhost is missing both etheret & sata or any other expansion than uSD & USB |
| 15:41.01 | hno | RaYmAn, booting kernel? |
| 15:41.10 | RaYmAn | hno: no, writing kernel |
| 15:41.19 | hno | ok |
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| 15:43.31 | hno | RaYmAn, livesuite writes 64K at a time, and write same amount of data in zeroes at another location |
| 15:43.44 | hno | outside DRAM.. |
| 15:43.49 | andropos | has anyone here used the uhost? how to get rid of the ugly ulauncher? |
| 15:43.51 | rm | sooo I didn't finish my sentence: do any of the A10 boards have GPIO and how many? |
| 15:43.52 | RaYmAn | that's..weird |
| 15:43.53 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 15:44.17 | RaYmAn | hno: I'll add a max of 64k to the usb bulk function and see if that helps |
| 15:44.51 | rm | andropos, no minimum at $40 while all sellers start from at least $65 sounds suspicious |
| 15:44.59 | rm | is your seller on Aliexpress? |
| 15:45.02 | hno | RaYmAn, you need to limit one level up. |
| 15:45.10 | RaYmAn | hno: ? |
| 15:45.22 | andropos | well i guess you pay lots of fees on ali |
| 15:45.24 | andropos | im in China |
| 15:45.34 | hno | size to be written is in the fel command header. |
| 15:45.37 | RaYmAn | sure |
| 15:45.47 | andropos | ali fee + paypal fee + shipping |
| 15:45.52 | RaYmAn | fel only allows one bulk request per command? |
| 15:45.53 | rm | oh, I see |
| 15:46.38 | andropos | im thinking of holding a group buy to help ppl get the device cheaper... |
| 15:46.40 | hno | RaYmAn, no idea. But livesuite limits the fel write commands to 64K |
| 15:47.20 | RaYmAn | hno: 'k..I'll give it a try first. It might be sane and allow you to say e.g. 500KB and then just write in bulks of 64kb - worth a shot |
| 15:48.45 | RaYmAn | hno: well, no error doing this so far. Will see if the data is also written =P |
| 15:49.47 | RaYmAn | (to memory, that is) |
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| 15:55.41 | RaYmAn | hno: it worked :) |
| 15:55.51 | RaYmAn | (the write hack - not tested boot just yet) |
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| 16:00.21 | RaYmAn | aaand, action! :D |
| 16:00.45 | RaYmAn | kernel decompressed and kind of booted :P |
| 16:01.11 | RaYmAn | (it crashed because no rootfs and no atags, but it booted all the way there) |
| 16:06.28 | WarheadsSE | \o/ |
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| 16:20.48 | hno | B) |
| 16:23.29 | hno | RaYmAn, di you figure out what's up with the MMU is FEL mode? Is it enabled or disabled? |
| 16:24.45 | RaYmAn | hno: well, I assume it's enabled given that's what JTAG state thingy says (And I'm pretty sure it talks to the cortex a8 to get that info) |
| 16:24.55 | RaYmAn | Just, pagetables are setup quite differently than in linux |
| 16:25.14 | RaYmAn | hno: if you have any good ideas for how to verify, I'm all ears :) |
| 16:26.10 | hno | so linux boots even with mmu on? thougt it had to be off |
| 16:26.29 | RaYmAn | I dunno - I guess it does :) |
| 16:26.39 | RaYmAn | Perhaps the requirement is that it can access stuff with physical addresses? |
| 16:26.46 | Boulet | strange, i'd think MMU is on in fel mode ? |
| 16:26.47 | RaYmAn | which it definitely can |
| 16:26.58 | Boulet | why would they enable it ? |
| 16:27.05 | RaYmAn | shrugs |
| 16:27.07 | Boulet | is off sorry |
| 16:27.19 | RaYmAn | Boulet: tell me how to verify :P |
| 16:27.59 | Boulet | i don't know how, sorry |
| 16:28.06 | RaYmAn | ttarget state: halted |
| 16:28.06 | RaYmAn | target halted in ARM state due to debug-request, current mode: Supervisor |
| 16:28.07 | RaYmAn | cpsr: 0x60000153 pc: 0xffff01f0 |
| 16:28.07 | RaYmAn | MMU: enabled, D-Cache: disabled, I-Cache: disabled |
| 16:28.26 | Boulet | oh, so there you go |
| 16:28.41 | Boulet | and you are in brom it seems |
| 16:28.52 | RaYmAn | FEL is in brom so yeah |
| 16:28.55 | hno | Isn't there a way to dump the pagetable? |
| 16:29.01 | Boulet | strange, i'm surprised |
| 16:29.14 | RaYmAn | why? :) |
| 16:29.19 | RaYmAn | It makes good sense to have it there :P |
| 16:29.25 | RaYmAn | unbrickable :> |
| 16:29.38 | RaYmAn | tegra has a similar thing in BROM |
| 16:29.53 | Boulet | but linux probably configure it differently anyways |
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| 16:30.47 | RaYmAn | from my attempts to get at certain bits, it seems the page tables are configured 1:1 to hardware - with possibly some stuff missing |
| 16:31.05 | RaYmAn | like, I don't seem to be able to access BROM memory in FEL |
| 16:31.24 | Boulet | but fel can read BROM |
| 16:31.35 | RaYmAn | can it? |
| 16:31.42 | hno | yes |
| 16:31.48 | RaYmAn | odd |
| 16:32.26 | RaYmAn | hno: what is brom entry address again? |
| 16:32.41 | RaYmAn | or rather start of brom |
| 16:32.56 | hno | FFFF4000 and FEL @FFFF0000 |
| 16:33.08 | hno | 32K in total. |
| 16:33.21 | RaYmAn | > dump_image brom.bin 0xffff0000 0x800 |
| 16:33.21 | RaYmAn | Address translation failure |
| 16:33.43 | Boulet | strange |
| 16:33.52 | hno | That's with OpenOCD? |
| 16:33.54 | RaYmAn | but yeah, fel dump seems to do it |
| 16:33.56 | RaYmAn | hno: yes |
| 16:34.12 | RaYmAn | that's a bit odd |
| 16:34.29 | hno | Meybe they switch MMU on/off all the time? |
| 16:35.02 | Boulet | if you have a disassembly of brom you can see that |
| 16:35.11 | Boulet | playing with that cp15.... |
| 16:35.11 | hno | is MMU on while code executed from FEL is running? |
| 16:35.25 | hno | Boulet, I have, but lacks decoding of cp15 operations. |
| 16:35.55 | Boulet | MRC p15, #0, r0, c1, c0, #0 this kind of stuff |
| 16:37.02 | Boulet | actually does it matter if it is on or off ? as long as the VA is same as PA in fel, that's all we need to know ? |
| 16:37.51 | cubieboard | andropos: where can you find 40$ uhost |
| 16:40.02 | RaYmAn | hno: looks to be on |
| 16:40.09 | RaYmAn | Boulet: can you tell from the value of cpsr? :P |
| 16:42.01 | RaYmAn | Boulet: cpsr 0x40000153 |
| 16:43.25 | Boulet | i can't but arm.com can ;) |
| 16:43.30 | hno | Boulet, disassembly is in my Allwinner-Info github repository. |
| 16:43.50 | Boulet | yes i am looking at it hno |
| 16:44.02 | Boulet | it seems they disable many stuff at setup |
| 16:45.15 | Boulet | but they also have the routines to enable cache, mmu |
| 16:45.38 | Boulet | starting at ffff2614 |
| 16:46.44 | Boulet | mmu is quite a complex beast to me, you guys know how it is setup ? |
| 16:46.58 | Boulet | and it is needed for cache to operate if i remember correctly |
| 16:48.18 | Boulet | RaYmAn : http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0344k/ch02s14s08.html |
| 16:48.38 | Boulet | the MMU, cache info are not in that register |
| 16:50.14 | hno | there is also plenty of unknown fel commands |
| 16:51.30 | Boulet | ffff2614 is enable brand predictor |
| 16:51.56 | Boulet | ffff2628 is enable ICache |
| 16:52.16 | Boulet | ffff2640 is enable DCache |
| 16:52.36 | Boulet | ffff2658 i don't know |
| 16:55.41 | RaYmAn | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0344i/I1002400.html |
| 16:55.45 | RaYmAn | enable/disable mmu |
| 16:57.44 | Boulet | rayman you should run fel from SDRAM and debug it ahahahhaha |
| 16:57.59 | Boulet | actually can't you debug it directly from BROM ? |
| 16:58.15 | RaYmAn | I'm not sure |
| 16:58.31 | RaYmAn | I can't reset and start in halt or anything |
| 16:59.17 | hno | should work fine to debug fel, if openocd could understand the mmu state |
| 17:00.29 | Boulet | everything after ffff25f4 seems dedicated to MMU, caches .... cp15 |
| 17:00.46 | Boulet | and some cpsr stuff |
| 17:02.21 | Boulet | hno, after ffff4000 it is dedicated to the loaders ? |
| 17:03.41 | Boulet | so the USB setup and fel commands fit in the first 0x25f0 bytes |
| 17:12.05 | hno | yes |
| 17:12.34 | hno | it's two searate programs. BROM and FEL |
| 17:13.06 | hno | BROM jumps to FEL when forced or booting failure |
| 17:13.55 | hno | boot0, boot1 and boot.exf also jumps to fel on failure or explicit trigger |
| 17:14.33 | Boulet | ok |
| 17:14.45 | hno | but jumping to FEL from u-boot fails for some reason |
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| 17:16.22 | Boulet | maybe because of the mmu ? |
| 17:29.10 | Boulet | if someone could disassemble the fel+brom files in https://github.com/hno/Allwinner-Info/tree/master/A13 |
| 17:29.14 | Boulet | that would be neat |
| 17:29.23 | Boulet | i don't know how to do that |
| 17:41.16 | Boulet | need to go to bed now, good night all |
| 17:57.02 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: if the nand driver is y, yes, /dev/nand* are detected immediately |
| 17:59.08 | mnemoc | uh, hipboi switched to freeshipping for the uhost thingie |
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| 18:05.01 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: hrm. I'm getting [ 0.950000] [ccmu] set nfc clock rate to 60000000 failed! |
| 18:05.04 | RaYmAn | :( |
| 18:10.12 | Turl | nfc hmm |
| 18:10.18 | RaYmAn | it's nand stuff |
| 18:10.26 | Turl | RaYmAn: :/ |
| 18:10.41 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: any chance you have time to try out fel kernel boot on that a13 olinuxino? :> |
| 18:10.56 | Turl | RaYmAn: while I was working on cpufreq I've seen some similar messages |
| 18:11.10 | Turl | when I failed and wrote invalid stuff :P |
| 18:11.23 | RaYmAn | I guess maybe it's expecting some clocks to have been set already by bootloader |
| 18:11.41 | Turl | probably |
| 18:11.53 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: ah, 1m |
| 18:12.09 | Turl | RaYmAn: a10 or a13 btw? |
| 18:12.15 | RaYmAn | Turl: 13 |
| 18:12.22 | Turl | might be that then |
| 18:12.25 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: we "fixed" that in sun4i's |
| 18:12.43 | mnemoc | in 3.4 both drivers are merged but not in 3.0 |
| 18:13.03 | RaYmAn | ah |
| 18:13.07 | mnemoc | vi |
| 18:13.12 | RaYmAn | nano |
| 18:13.13 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 18:13.14 | mnemoc | in |
| 18:13.16 | mnemoc | er |
| 18:13.21 | mnemoc | I can'\t type |
| 18:13.26 | mnemoc | f* f* f* |
| 18:13.31 | mnemoc | breaths |
| 18:13.38 | Turl | nano ftw ;) |
| 18:13.45 | mnemoc | in drivers/block/sun5i_nand/nfd/nand_blk.c |
| 18:13.51 | RaYmAn | consistently uses nano |
| 18:13.53 | mnemoc | commented #define USE_SYS_CLK out |
| 18:14.00 | mnemoc | comment #define USE_SYS_CLK out |
| 18:14.01 | Turl | RaYmAn: I do too |
| 18:14.14 | RaYmAn | my colleagues laugh at me :( |
| 18:14.41 | mnemoc | i would too |
| 18:14.46 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: that's it? :) |
| 18:14.53 | Turl | yeah I have a friend who laughs because I don't use vi :P |
| 18:15.03 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: yes, just comment that #define out |
| 18:15.08 | RaYmAn | I switch systems too much to use vi(m), emacs or similar. |
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| 18:15.29 | mnemoc | vi is pretty consistent across systems |
| 18:15.44 | mnemoc | emacs is certainly different everywhere |
| 18:15.50 | RaYmAn | yeah, but it's not really that good on mac or windows |
| 18:15.54 | Turl | I'd s/consistent/consistently weird/ :P |
| 18:16.15 | RaYmAn | I use Visual Studio in part of my work as well |
| 18:16.35 | RaYmAn | Having to remember all the special keys for VI or emacs is just too much trouble for me =P |
| 18:16.35 | mnemoc | won't be able to look at RaYmAn in the same way again |
| 18:16.43 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 18:17.18 | RaYmAn | I like doing different things :) |
| 18:17.46 | mnemoc | *cough* |
| 18:17.54 | Turl | I just hope you don't program VB6 |
| 18:18.09 | RaYmAn | If I did, I'd certainly never have taken this job |
| 18:18.23 | RaYmAn | .Net 4.0 and C# |
| 18:18.30 | RaYmAn | that's half or so |
| 18:18.39 | RaYmAn | the rest is python, wsgi and postgresql |
| 18:18.41 | RaYmAn | mostly |
| 18:18.45 | RaYmAn | a bit of C too |
| 18:22.09 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: that at least made partitions appear :) |
| 18:22.29 | RaYmAn | PHY_PageReadSpare : too much ecc err,bank 0 block 0,page 1 |
| 18:22.30 | RaYmAn | :S |
| 18:22.51 | RaYmAn | but I guess that's not really an issue |
| 18:26.33 | RaYmAn | is it common to end up with uhm, "vibrating" coloured bars when this thing fails to boot? :P |
| 18:28.21 | mnemoc | no idea, never booted a device with display :p |
| 18:29.21 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 18:29.41 | RaYmAn | olinuxino uses lcd pins though :P |
| 18:31.50 | RaYmAn | I get this when booting that kernel (from memory) skumler.net/colorbars.jpg |
| 18:31.58 | RaYmAn | at least that means it initializes the LCD correctly :P |
| 18:32.42 | Turl | RaYmAn: yeah I also get the ecc thing on my A10 |
| 18:32.49 | RaYmAn | 'k |
| 18:32.51 | Turl | but no issues so far other than it being printed |
| 18:36.19 | WarheadsSE | trying 3.0.39 for ALARM |
| 18:39.14 | RaYmAn | I think me or someone else is going to have to hack together an atag creator |
| 18:39.23 | RaYmAn | if we want to be able to properly boot over fel |
| 18:45.43 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: Ijust noticed I'm using an old fork on my github, lol (kernel) |
| 18:45.47 | RaYmAn | might help to update :> |
| 18:48.41 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:50.42 | RaYmAn | I just realized that if I can get a minimal ramdisk linux (with console over uart) going from this, I can dump nand completely without ever having flashed anything to device |
| 18:51.03 | WarheadsSE | heh |
| 18:51.23 | WarheadsSE | mnemoc: remember when I was having those issues with xorg |
| 18:51.38 | RaYmAn | looks around for volounteers for writing a createatags program |
| 18:52.03 | WarheadsSE | Also, funny as hell .. => configure exorg to use fbdev & /dev/fb0 ;) |
| 18:52.17 | WarheadsSE | load up the mali drivers, then start X |
| 18:52.27 | WarheadsSE | "interesting" behavior |
| 18:53.33 | Turl | isn't that how everyone is doing it WarheadsSE? |
| 18:53.42 | WarheadsSE | i don't think so |
| 18:53.51 | WarheadsSE | I compiled w/ the mali driver |
| 18:53.52 | Turl | RaYmAn: I might be able to help :) |
| 18:54.02 | RaYmAn | ooh, a volounteer! :D |
| 18:54.03 | Turl | RaYmAn: do you have docs for the atag format? |
| 18:54.24 | RaYmAn | Turl: no, but I have a program that reads a binary atag file and dumps the contents |
| 18:54.27 | RaYmAn | :) |
| 18:54.42 | Turl | works I guess |
| 18:54.43 | Turl | lol |
| 18:55.05 | Turl | linky? :P |
| 18:55.32 | RaYmAn | http://skumler.net/dumpatags.tar.bz2 |
| 18:55.51 | RaYmAn | it has a statically compiled version of the app too - and included an atag dump from mele a1000 |
| 18:57.03 | Turl | RaYmAn: so what's the expected behaviour? |
| 18:57.23 | Turl | (of the createatags program) |
| 18:57.25 | RaYmAn | Turl: in particular, it needs to drop in the ATAG_CORE as first tag, then an ATAG_mem based on user params, optionally an ATAG_CMDLINE with cmdline (usually max 1024 chars) and an INITRD2 ATAG based on uhm, providing offset and a ramdisk file (or just manually specify size) |
| 18:58.02 | RaYmAn | the rest of the atag's aren't really required for this purpose |
| 18:59.18 | RaYmAn | tbh, it doesn't need to be fancy - I'm planning to write wrapper scripts around it anyways. (e.g. fel-boot.sh --kernel somekernel --ramdisk someramdisk --board a13 ) and let that handle uploading the right stuff to memory and passing suitable parameters |
| 18:59.33 | RaYmAn | make sense? |
| 18:59.48 | Turl | so ./createatags --cmdline "console=ttyS0" --initrd-offset 0xsomething --initrd-size something --output something.atags |
| 18:59.51 | Turl | works for you? |
| 18:59.52 | WarheadsSE | anyone seens Jeff Doozans little a10_display too l? |
| 19:00.13 | RaYmAn | Turl: yeah, that could work |
| 19:00.23 | RaYmAn | Turl: maybe a --memory_size a swell? |
| 19:01.13 | Turl | "ATAG MEM" RaYmAn? |
| 19:01.29 | RaYmAn | not sure what you are asking? :P |
| 19:01.32 | Turl | memory-{start,size} |
| 19:01.40 | RaYmAn | ah, yeah |
| 19:01.41 | mnemoc | I think we should generate a .h used then to compile this boot0^Wtest1 |
| 19:01.55 | mnemoc | initializing DRAM and populating ATAGs |
| 19:01.59 | RaYmAn | mm |
| 19:02.01 | RaYmAn | I guess |
| 19:02.21 | RaYmAn | I figured it was easier to just have a createatags app that gives you a binary you can fel write to 0x40000100 :) |
| 19:02.28 | Turl | yeah |
| 19:02.41 | Turl | the app just needs to malloc and pack some structs together :P |
| 19:02.42 | mnemoc | but you need to know mem info to initialize the dram |
| 19:03.03 | RaYmAn | but if Turl just writes it so the actual atag handling code is seperated out from the main app, it could be ported easily |
| 19:03.04 | mnemoc | so the boot0 needs to be custom made anyway |
| 19:03.09 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 19:03.21 | RaYmAn | this was mostly for testing anyways |
| 19:03.29 | RaYmAn | for now :) |
| 19:03.40 | RaYmAn | it's useful to be able to test the atag generation standalone anyways :) |
| 19:03.59 | RaYmAn | anyways, gtg for a bit |
| 19:04.06 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: have a good holiday |
| 19:04.35 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: I hope to be able to connect often, don't want to miss all the fun when you both get your olinuxinos |
| 19:04.38 | Turl | holiday? what did I miss? :P |
| 19:04.49 | Turl | you're on vacaction mnemoc? :) |
| 19:04.57 | mnemoc | Turl: since tomorrow |
| 19:05.13 | Turl | enjoy the while they last then :) |
| 19:05.14 | mnemoc | today is stressful last-day-before-vacations day |
| 19:05.16 | Turl | them* |
| 19:05.35 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:06.16 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: it's not being sent till 20th earliest though :( |
| 19:06.17 | RaYmAn | hehe |
| 19:06.34 | RaYmAn | but at least a lot of stuff seems to be the same on this a13 tab so |
| 19:06.59 | Turl | what's the olinuxino size? |
| 19:07.13 | Turl | imagines putting an olinuxino inside the mele case :P |
| 19:08.30 | RaYmAn | it's nano-itx isn't it? |
| 19:08.35 | RaYmAn | that's 12x12cm |
| 19:16.20 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: I'll be out for 2w, that is after you receive yours |
| 19:16.31 | RaYmAn | ah |
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| 20:44.08 | hno | I will be back in town on sunday. If all is well I have an A13 wating for me. |
| 20:46.59 | hno | we should make a fel bootloader setting up atag, mach type etc. |
| 20:49.04 | hno | such loader also useful for those using allwinner bootloader without uboot. |
| 20:49.43 | hno | starting kernel without preparing the required registers & referenced atag is not nice |
| 21:02.51 | mnemoc | a free boot0 |
| 21:05.38 | mnemoc | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/theweaselking/main7/6a0efc05.jpg <-- NBC :D |
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| 21:17.27 | hno | mnemoc, SPL is a free boot0. |
| 21:18.14 | mnemoc | hno: once it learns to initialize dram ;-) |
| 21:18.28 | mnemoc | well... i mean generically |
| 21:19.12 | hno | what I am talking about above is merely 3 instructions to load r0, r1, r2 with proper values so kernel do not need to override at startup. |
| 21:20.40 | hno | SPL will soon be as generic as boot0 I hope. I.e. needing a matching script.bin and running a tool to copy the needed parameters into the bootloader. |
| 21:22.24 | mnemoc | i was wondering how to reduce code duplication between this mini-spl and spl |
| 21:24.04 | mnemoc | mini-spl doing dram, minimal atag, and r0,r1,r2 .... then the spl part that knows to read nand/mmc on any sunxi, then fancy full uboot, then linux |
| 21:24.20 | mnemoc | or, when using fel, linux directly after mini-spl |
| 21:24.59 | mnemoc | that would allow a larger spl i believe |
| 21:25.08 | mnemoc | because dram is already initialized |
| 21:29.19 | mnemoc | does uboot allow something like that? |
| 21:31.09 | mnemoc | back in ~1h |
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| 21:34.44 | hno | I am not very fond of the idea of SPL trying to guess the DRAM parameters. |
| 21:35.36 | hno | The whole clock & dram setup code can be shared by fel and spl booting. |
| 21:45.22 | xxiao | someone used pogoplug's ulimit storage space, $19.99 per year for ulimited space? that beats everyone else, too good to be true |
| 21:46.16 | WarheadsSE | xxiao: wut |
| 21:46.34 | WarheadsSE | Ah, the family |
| 21:47.02 | Turl | mnemoc: :D |
| 21:47.03 | WarheadsSE | basically mini-team |
| 21:47.12 | WarheadsSE | the "unlimited" is your device. |
| 21:47.23 | Turl | mnemoc: we got gold :D |
| 21:47.30 | xxiao | i hook 4 usb 1TB on it |
| 21:47.45 | WarheadsSE | that'd work |
| 21:48.15 | xxiao | it's idle on my desk for a long while but now i want to use it, then found out pogoplug's storage is too good to be true |
| 21:48.31 | WarheadsSE | its not cloud storage! |
| 21:48.55 | xxiao | WarheadsSE: it is, they sync your local disks to their cloud storage, $19.99 per year |
| 21:49.05 | WarheadsSE | where are you seeing this ? |
| 21:49.27 | xxiao | http://pogoplug.com/promo/introfamily |
| 21:49.47 | WarheadsSE | Yes. |
| 21:49.53 | WarheadsSE | STORAGE IS YOUR DEVICE |
| 21:49.56 | WarheadsSE | NOT CLOUD |
| 21:50.34 | WarheadsSE | "Continuous backup of your family’s computers and mobile devices even when you’re away from home" means the software will backup your phone -TO YOUR DEVICE- |
| 21:50.59 | xxiao | i think you're right, shoot |
| 21:51.17 | WarheadsSE | nah, shit, the dude hat exploits the crap out of their devices and services is right ... |
| 21:51.30 | xxiao | i got distracted by this before i decide to load debian/archlinux/openwrt to hack it |
| 21:51.51 | WarheadsSE | The only bit of this is the *multi-account* part |
| 21:51.56 | xxiao | ic |
| 21:52.56 | xxiao | debian-on-it(or openwrt, if i can put that to NAND instead of wasting a usb port for debian image) |
| 21:53.19 | xxiao | mount S3 as FUSE to do 'cloud-backup' along with local storage |
| 21:53.24 | WarheadsSE | get real performance, put sata on it ;) |
| 21:53.25 | xxiao | should be very doable |
| 21:54.06 | xxiao | it's mostly for archiving and backup, speed is not that unbearable |
| 21:55.26 | xxiao | is still waiting for self-powered-eSATA pogoplug-alike cheap boxes |
| 21:56.22 | WarheadsSE | You're expecting a device like this to have eSATAp |
| 21:57.48 | xxiao | not sure how much esatap disks are |
| 22:43.23 | arokux_h | I've successfully booted 3.0.39+, not a big deal for you guys, but I'm happy, since I've found a bug in scripts/depmod.sh if kmod was compiled with --with-rootprefix=<some_directory> |
| 22:48.34 | Turl | RaYmAn: ping |
| 22:48.46 | Turl | I've got the atag generator thing working :) |
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| 23:25.31 | hno | xxiao, backups which are stored in your home is fail. If your home burns down or you hae a burgler stealing your stuff then all is gone. |
| 23:26.24 | hno | Turl, great. Please make sure it finds it's way into sunxi-tools. |
| 23:31.12 | Turl | hno: yep :) need to ask RaYmAn what license does he want me to stick on his code and we'll have dumpatags + atags generator |
| 23:32.18 | xxiao | hno: right. i'm thinking about truecrypt local pogoplug, S3 remotely dual copy |
| 23:33.02 | xxiao | just built openwrt for pogoplug |
| 23:33.18 | hno | have a nas kind of device at his mother in law. |
| 23:34.19 | hno | and don't care about encryption. Sensitive stuff is kept encrypted at file level. |
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