| 01:08.50 | ManoftheSea | discussing lambda calculus isn't bullying. It's a demonstration of how not researching (or improperly researching) stuff turns into fearmongering. |
| 01:09.02 | ManoftheSea | Calling it "treacheryzone" is FUD too |
| 01:11.10 | WarheadsSE | ermagherd, ambada cerkerlus |
| 01:16.41 | ManoftheSea | Is that bullying? |
| 02:56.43 | ManoftheSea | WarheadsSE: http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/x2xn0/my_evening_project_a_text_to_ermahgerd_translator/ |
| 03:03.50 | Turl | interesting case http://www.focalbrand.com/2-in-1-keyboard-with-case-for-ipad-p-1087.html |
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| 04:21.36 | rm | hno, do you think this could work? http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2012-July/005325.html |
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| 10:15.57 | rm | hno, so if I put MMC u-boot.bin to NAND |
| 10:16.16 | rm | will it try just opening MMC FAT partition as usual? |
| 10:19.32 | rm | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/598484251-U-Host-Super-Mini-HDMI-Dongle-puts-Android-on-your-TV-Smart-your-TV-with-Cortex-wholesalers.html |
| 10:19.38 | rm | Cortex-A9 Renesas Dual Core |
| 10:19.40 | rm | what |
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| 10:38.54 | hipboi | rm: yes, the first version of uHost is Renesas soc |
| 10:39.37 | rm | "but does it boot from SD" :) |
| 10:40.18 | hipboi | but it's Dual core 533mhz |
| 10:41.16 | hipboi | "Processor speed 1.066 GHZ" is misleading |
| 10:41.40 | hipboi | and smallart do not manufacure them any more |
| 10:41.53 | hipboi | due to the performence problem |
| 10:41.59 | hipboi | they turned to a10 |
| 10:42.54 | mnemoc | :) |
| 10:46.20 | tzafrir_laptop | So the Uhost does not use Mali? |
| 10:46.49 | hipboi | uHost version1 uses pvr |
| 10:47.01 | hipboi | uHost version 2, U2, uses mali |
| 10:48.00 | hipboi | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/27/smallart-u-host-hackable-mini-pc-unboxing-and-review/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=smallart-u-host-hackable-mini-pc-unboxing-and-review |
| 10:50.14 | tzafrir_laptop | How do I tell which is which? |
| 10:50.29 | tzafrir_laptop | The paper in the box says it's Renesans |
| 10:56.19 | tzafrir_laptop | hipboi, if the paper says it's Renesas, it means it's a v1, right? |
| 10:57.25 | hipboi | yes |
| 11:11.58 | tzafrir_laptop | False alarm. Just an out-of-date specification in the user manual |
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| 12:00.20 | rz2k | <hipboi> [14:42:01] due to the performence problem |
| 12:00.45 | rz2k | I have tablet on renesas, this is the fastest piece of SoC that I ever had. |
| 12:01.02 | rz2k | 10 seconds to android home screen. |
| 12:03.13 | rz2k | also after gaining UART on that tablet and running some old kernels with archlinux arm userland, I've mailed bunch of guys who added this SoC support to mainline. Renesas still didnt stop selling it, they even made public U-Boot repo with updates for device tree support at denk.de git. |
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| 13:47.58 | L84Supper | http://armdevices.net/2012/07/27/neonode-to-turn-olpc-pixel-qi-laptops-into-tablets/ good idea but I bet these will be locked down |
| 13:49.26 | RaYmAn | IR touchscreens aren't that good either =P |
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| 13:50.03 | RaYmAn | great for e-ink readers though, so I suppose it could work :) |
| 13:51.17 | RaYmAn | I don't really see why they'd lock them down though |
| 13:51.36 | L84Supper | just marvell culture in general |
| 13:51.57 | L84Supper | why are most ARM devices locked down? |
| 13:52.01 | RaYmAn | well, usually, it's manufacturers that lock down stuff , e.g. olpc |
| 13:52.10 | L84Supper | built in obsolescence |
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| 13:56.28 | L84Supper | this is the main reason why large oem's resist modular designs |
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| 14:09.36 | mnemoc | hno: got mail from Tsvetan |
| 14:10.56 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: does our uboot/mmc boot from uSD your A13? |
| 14:11.27 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: I haven't had time to try it yet |
| 14:12.51 | hno | rm, yes mmc uboot defaults to look for mmc. |
| 14:13.17 | hno | but does not need to be fat. ext2/3 also works. |
| 14:13.30 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: I'm not really sure how to test it - I mean, if it doesn't work , nothing happens - if it does work but kernel fails, nothing happen |
| 14:14.34 | rm | I wonder if SPL and the U-boot itself use the same MMC code |
| 14:14.46 | rm | and if SPL fails, maybe U-boot will fail in the same way |
| 14:21.16 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: serial output? |
| 14:22.35 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: I guess you're implying that I should take it apart and try and find where to solder serial output to? :P |
| 14:23.06 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: cause otherwise, I only have serial over microsd which is hard to do while booting from uSD |
| 14:23.35 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: yes, I was implying that :p |
| 14:23.40 | rm | I became an expert in determining the machine state from the attached USB keyboard and mouse |
| 14:23.42 | rm | :D |
| 14:23.56 | RaYmAn | I'm actually wondering if it might be possible to get both microsd and serial over microsd port, hmm |
| 14:24.08 | rm | on a successfull kernel bootup the mouse LED turn on within about 5 seconds after power-on |
| 14:24.35 | rm | also check if numlock on the keyboard works |
| 14:25.06 | rm | no mouse LED, no numlock reaction -> locked up hard before even reaching the kernel (i.e. in uboot) |
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| 19:26.07 | hno | RaYmAn, both SD and serial over the SD port would be a bit hard. They are both using the same pins. |
| 19:26.45 | hno | It would be possible to boot from SD and then switch to serial. |
| 19:28.22 | phh | hum, perhaps you can force mmc to spi mode, so that it uses fewer pins, and you can use remaining pins |
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| 19:35.21 | hno | phh, I think it still collides. |
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| 20:02.56 | RaYmAn | hno: yeah, probably - It of course assumes that it was possible to put TX on e.g. pin1 of microsd port |
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| 20:03.35 | RaYmAn | you only really need 1 pin for pure debug output (and ground, but that's already there, probably hard-wired to ground) |
| 20:19.48 | mnemoc | FYI: the N7/16GB is back on google play |
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| 20:28.39 | Turl|| | mnemoc: ping |
| 20:28.51 | mnemoc | Turl||: |
| 20:29.31 | Turl|| | mnemoc: I found some bugs on the cpufreq rework, so don't merge it even if it gets tested and works ok for the majority of cases |
| 20:30.25 | Turl|| | I'll probably wait for the mele to show up to debug it, it's not fun to debug when your cpu stalls :P |
| 20:31.10 | mnemoc | ok, np |
| 20:31.16 | mnemoc | thanks for the warning :) |
| 20:32.34 | Turl|| | on another note, my vps disappeared overnight and the panel, company and parent company websites are all down |
| 20:57.51 | tzafrir_laptop | I got two devices that use the same MAC address? |
| 20:58.24 | tzafrir_laptop | (a Mele A1000 and a Mele A2000 I bought) |
| 20:58.47 | tzafrir_laptop | c4:2c:03:41:f1:aa - for the wireless |
| 20:58.54 | phh | random generator was too costly :D |
| 20:59.00 | phh | as the db |
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| 21:03.08 | Turl|| | that prefix is allocated to apple :P http://hwaddress.com/?q=c4%3A2c%3A03%3A41%3Af1%3Aaa |
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| 21:49.35 | hno | tzafrir_laptop, are you sure that's the meles? |
| 21:50.58 | hno | wifi is on a prefab module with preprogrammed mac. Kind of doubt those would fake their MACs. |
| 21:51.53 | hno | The meles even have assigned MACs for LAN. But that one is stored in NAND flash. |
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| 23:24.22 | L84Supper | does anyone have a Pi yet? |
| 23:25.28 | specing | I know atleast one Gentooer and one ALARMer that have them |
| 23:27.47 | L84Supper | specing, were you asking about the a10 netbook? |
| 23:27.59 | specing | ? |
| 23:28.01 | L84Supper | i forget who was interested in one |
| 23:28.04 | specing | I have a tablet |
| 23:28.33 | specing | in 10 pieces :) |
| 23:29.07 | L84Supper | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/04/16/sunlike-umpc-1021-85-usd-allwinner-a10-based-10-2-android-4-0-netbook/ |
| 23:29.42 | L84Supper | it was a month or two ago |
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| 23:32.39 | hno | L84Supper, talked with you about that one yesterday. |
| 23:33.22 | L84Supper | hno: yeah I recall yesterday, i forget who was asking about one weeks ago |
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| 23:37.23 | L84Supper | probably better off with a lapdoc + whatever ARM card |
| 23:47.14 | hno | L84Supper, you think it's that bad? |
| 23:49.19 | L84Supper | hno: if I get debug working on have someone get Linux up on it but it too bad they used such a low quality trackpad, display and small battery |
| 23:49.57 | L84Supper | hno: sorry <-- tired, if i get debug working, we'll see about Linux |
| 23:50.48 | L84Supper | the trackpads I've seen are much higher quality |
| 23:51.39 | L84Supper | maybe somebody will stick that quad core Samsung into a module that you can use with a lapdoc |
| 23:51.47 | hno | L84Supper, UART is most likely there easy to find, which helps Linux debugging. |
| 23:52.01 | hno | L84Supper, Galaxy III? |
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| 23:52.36 | L84Supper | http://www.droidforums.net/forum/motorola-droid-bionic/210074-bionic-lapdock-now-50-verizon.html |
| 23:53.12 | L84Supper | http://www.amazon.com/AT-Laptop-Dock-Motorola-ATRIX/dp/B004M17D62 |
| 23:56.06 | hno | There apparently is a Galaxy III with unlocked bootloader. |