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| 07:37.16 | Schnabeltier | what´s the difference between the mele a1000 and the a2000? some say there is an difference in flash-size, some say the size on both models is the same.. which one is true? and do they have a fan for cooling? |
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| 07:45.35 | hackandfab | Schnabeltier: they're the same, if you look at the images the white connectors are a little bit different and the external VGA pcb is diferente but it has no electronics (it's only the connector) |
| 07:46.15 | Turl | the sata part (cover or w/e) is different too I think |
| 07:46.34 | Turl | and I think they're both fanless, can't confirm though |
| 07:46.37 | hackandfab | schnabeltier: the white connectors at the mele A1000 are upwards and on the meleA2000 are at 90º but they use the same pins with the same 2mm spacing |
| 07:47.41 | hackandfab | the cover (plastic part) is different and the placement of VGA connector is different but it's on another PCB with cables to the main PCB without any aditional electronics. |
| 07:51.49 | hackandfab | Turl: they're both fanless |
| 07:52.18 | Schnabeltier | so electronics are the same, only the case/the sata connector on the top and the vga pcb(?) are different.. does the difference in the pcb´s mather in a way? |
| 07:57.19 | Schnabeltier | or do you men the changed position on of the vga connector on the back? |
| 07:58.05 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: chat master * r7f4e11068f25 /ikiwiki/openid/discussion.html: chatmar |
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| 08:14.12 | hackandfab | <Schnabeltier> go to linux-sunxi.org and look at the images |
| 08:14.43 | hackandfab | breakfast... |
| 08:17.51 | rm | btw |
| 08:18.04 | rm | was the A10 fully developed by Allwinner? |
| 08:18.14 | lundman | wifi is realtek |
| 08:18.21 | rm | i.e. the ARM core is theirs from scratch, and only the instruction set is licensed from ARM? |
| 08:18.24 | lundman | nic is wemac from davicom |
| 08:18.29 | lundman | :) |
| 08:18.30 | rm | I mean the core |
| 08:18.50 | rm | I know ARM licenses soft cores, hard cores and... just the ISA |
| 08:18.51 | specing | no, the core is licensed too |
| 08:19.01 | lundman | arm7 no? |
| 08:19.16 | rm | and afaik at least Tegra only uses the ISA |
| 08:19.31 | rm | with the actual CPU design made completely by nVidia |
| 08:25.05 | rm | ok, so A10 uses the ready-made https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A8 by ARM |
| 08:41.53 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: chat master * r7e30abb16d1c /allwinner_a10/orders/chatmar.mdwn: chatmar |
| 08:44.14 | hipboi__ | finnally there are some "official" support for xbmc from allwinner |
| 08:44.34 | lundman | elucidate? |
| 08:45.23 | hipboi__ | after the xbmc community member wrote lots of emails to allwinner |
| 08:45.34 | lundman | yes.. |
| 08:45.37 | lundman | me too |
| 08:45.44 | hipboi__ | thank you |
| 08:45.49 | hipboi__ | they started to disscuss it |
| 08:45.52 | lundman | but since you just said that, makes me think there was JUST an announcement you know about, and I dont? |
| 08:46.00 | hipboi__ | no |
| 08:46.07 | hipboi__ | internal discussing |
| 08:46.26 | lundman | and they might be onboard? |
| 08:46.42 | hipboi__ | yes, they will support gimli, i think |
| 08:46.51 | hipboi__ | before i was personal action |
| 08:47.38 | hipboi__ | which means i can not ask my workmate to fix the bug gimli pointed out |
| 08:47.54 | hipboi__ | but now there are people in charge of that |
| 08:48.14 | gimli | unbelievable |
| 08:49.49 | lundman | thats great |
| 08:50.04 | lundman | because, quite frankly, I know a lot of people who would buy devices that can run xbmc |
| 08:50.17 | lundman | xbmc is considered THE mediaplayer software to try to reach for |
| 08:50.25 | lundman | (the UI layout is terrible btu still ) :) |
| 08:50.39 | rm | xbmc on android is aiming low |
| 08:50.57 | lundman | i personally think it is the way to go |
| 08:51.06 | rm | do it in the easiest way possible without trying to open other possibilities |
| 08:51.06 | lundman | as Google as selling and renting tv and movies on android |
| 08:51.16 | lundman | so in the near future, xbmc will buy the tv episode you want, then play it |
| 08:51.25 | rm | so people will settle for support for XBMC on Android and will not demand e.g. a proper Xorg driver |
| 08:51.31 | rm | is that really good long-term |
| 08:51.43 | lundman | whereas going down general linux and x11, is a dead end |
| 08:51.46 | lundman | :) |
| 08:53.27 | rz2k | noobish question: xbmc mentioned above is xbmc-android or xbmc on native linux? |
| 08:54.19 | lundman | android |
| 08:57.10 | rz2k | buried hopes for cedar and mali |
| 09:11.57 | Schnabeltier | ordered a mele a2000 and a CX-01 stick, can´t wait for them to get here |
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| 09:13.19 | ZaEarl | xbmc looks pretty good, but without acceleration the a10 can't keep up with a simple 1 mbps stream. |
| 09:14.55 | eFfeM_work | I'm wondering if I want to use serial, do I need to connect the 3.3V ? I would expect the usb thingie to be fed over usb and that connecting tx, rx, gnd is enough |
| 09:14.57 | eFfeM_work | correct? |
| 09:15.28 | RaYmAn | generally with usb-to-ttl style devices, you don't need to connect 3.3v |
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| 09:31.12 | lundman | effem: it wont turn on if you connect 3.3v |
| 09:31.18 | lundman | so, only connect rx/tx/gnd |
| 09:31.33 | lundman | (assuming it is powered by usb) |
| 10:02.46 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: marcus master * r2943ceaf9e58 /allwinner_a10/orders/92083388.html: |
| 10:15.18 | hno | rm, the A10 core is an ARM Cortex A8, and many of the I/O blocks have third party origin. |
| 10:15.34 | hno | VE and the PIO is Allwinner I think. |
| 10:27.18 | hno | VE probably includes third-party blocks in both silicon and software. |
| 10:28.51 | RITRedbeard | Is this applicable to the MK802? http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_mmc_boot/ |
| 10:28.55 | hno | The I/O blocks have been reused for several CPU generations with slight modifications. A10 is the first where main focus is on Linux. |
| 10:29.09 | hno | RITRedbeard, yes it should be. |
| 10:29.32 | hno | but u-boot SPL is still missing configuration for 1GB memory. |
| 10:30.06 | RITRedbeard | are there images ready to flash with the partitioning already done? |
| 10:30.22 | RITRedbeard | or do you still need to blast the sd card with dd? |
| 10:31.41 | RaYmAn | yeah, it needs some special data at specific block offsets |
| 10:33.37 | RITRedbeard | scratches head |
| 10:33.41 | RITRedbeard | i'll figure it out |
| 10:34.26 | RITRedbeard | if not I'll whine later :) |
| 10:38.18 | rm | RITRedbeard, any Mele image will work |
| 10:39.10 | rm | https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/2/topics/1 <- here's some specifically for the MK802 |
| 10:51.43 | RITRedbeard | rm, thanks, will give it a shot later |
| 10:52.32 | rm | I'm waiting for my 2nd MK802 to arrive |
| 10:52.55 | rm | to make and test a debian armhf minimal "server" image |
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| 11:04.07 | mnemoc | rm: do you also suffer https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/46 ? a panic on cpufreq on the 3.0-v2 branch |
| 11:04.16 | rm | no |
| 11:04.32 | mnemoc | :( |
| 11:05.06 | mnemoc | well... I mean. great :) |
| 11:05.25 | mnemoc | but I can't use to test fixes :p |
| 11:05.31 | mnemoc | use you* |
| 11:12.19 | rm | replied |
| 11:13.19 | rm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.55 | rm | frequency should be within 300 MHz and 1.01 GHz. The governor "ondemand"... current CPU frequency is 300 MHz (asserted by call to hardware). |
| 11:16.26 | rm | I am not a good tester until I get my second MK802 (should be "any week now", lawl) |
| 11:19.50 | specing | SECOND?! |
| 11:21.45 | rm | sure |
| 11:21.55 | rm | imagine a beowulf cluster of MK802s |
| 11:22.29 | specing | hmm |
| 11:22.47 | specing | is waiting for quad core ARM servers for mortals |
| 11:23.00 | RITRedbeard | it's weird |
| 11:23.16 | rm | the A10 is perfectly adequate for a home server |
| 11:23.23 | RITRedbeard | because in AMD K6 and K6-2 I see RISC type predictive branching |
| 11:23.32 | RITRedbeard | they even say it such in the nomenclature |
| 11:23.45 | specing | rm: already have an AMD Geode occupying that position |
| 11:24.03 | rm | Alix? |
| 11:24.42 | RITRedbeard | well I mean modern CISC processors implement RISC architecture choices and have for a long time |
| 11:24.51 | RITRedbeard | and ARM isn't exactly CISC |
| 11:24.59 | RITRedbeard | I'm not a computer engineer but it's interesting |
| 11:26.01 | specing | rm: 2d13 |
| 11:26.14 | RITRedbeard | the power consumption savings at a smaller node will be especially interesting |
| 11:29.01 | rm | 3 LAN is certainly awesoem |
| 11:29.03 | rm | me |
| 11:35.10 | specing | they dont seem to be active anymore |
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| 12:13.48 | sspiff | hello hello |
| 12:14.41 | sspiff | anyone working on MK802 or other A10 based hardware here? |
| 12:15.53 | ZaEarl | That pretty much covers everyone in here. :) |
| 12:16.07 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:17.39 | sspiff | ah cool :) |
| 12:18.07 | sspiff | I'm trying to use the MK802 for a prototype at work, but I'm having a little trouble getting a working android build env |
| 12:19.12 | sspiff | I've got three versions checked out, one based on https://github.com/allwinner-ics, one on the AOSP, and one following http://linux-sunxi.org/Starting_a_CyanogenMod_device_tree |
| 12:20.03 | sspiff | the first doesn't compile (compile warnings, could probably be fixed but I'm guessing there's a working tree already out there somewhere), and the AOSP I'm not using atm since it has no A10 devices stuff |
| 12:20.39 | sspiff | are there any device configurations other than the example zatab one hanging around? |
| 12:21.11 | mnemoc | there is an "example" device tree references in that page |
| 12:21.39 | sspiff | hmmm ZaEarl vs ZaTab, my spidersense says there's a relation between those two |
| 12:21.50 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:21.56 | ZaEarl | ZaRight |
| 12:24.01 | sspiff | I'm currently installing ADB on my windows laptop (at work, we only get to use Linux on build servers -_-) |
| 12:24.24 | sspiff | so I can't get the drivers in my build env directly |
| 12:24.40 | sspiff | I'm starting a lobbyist group for individual linux machines here :) |
| 12:26.11 | sspiff | hmmm, the ZaTab seems, spec-wise, very similar to the Ainol tablets |
| 12:26.28 | sspiff | would your config work on those things as well? |
| 12:26.42 | ZaEarl | You'll find lots of similarity on all A10 devices. |
| 12:26.54 | RITRedbeard | This is a pretty off hand question, does anyone know of an e-reader that sports 2x e-ink screens? |
| 12:27.19 | RITRedbeard | I see some failure products with e-ink and that other technology... totally overpriced and bombed the market |
| 12:27.51 | sspiff | RITRedbeard: never heard of a 2 E-ink display reader |
| 12:29.41 | ZaEarl | ZaTab config is a good place to start. http://linux-sunxi.org/Building_CyanogenMod_for_ZaTab will give you a start. |
| 12:34.04 | RITRedbeard | you think they'd have by now |
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| 13:50.46 | mnemoc | uh, github showed me the angry pink unicorn again :( |
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| 13:53.56 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: this time...it's personal! :P |
| 13:55.35 | mnemoc | :D |
| 13:55.55 | mnemoc | have you seen it before? it's scary |
| 13:55.57 | mnemoc | https://a248.e.akamai.net/assets.github.com/images/error/angry_unicorn.png?1259026890 |
| 13:56.42 | RaYmAn | heh |
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| 16:20.29 | mnemoc | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/woven-pattern-3d-carbon-fiber-paper-decoration-sheet-car-sticker-black-20-x-30cm-143939 nice |
| 16:21.33 | mnemoc | DX has been bringing tons of nice DIY stuff lately |
| 17:00.55 | hackandfab | mnemoc: I looked at cdxalloc.o and the allocator.o and they're armel (arm ABI1 armv5) libraries. I had all armhf and they oviously don't work. so I recompiled the kernel to armel. I'm trying to boot and I missed something because it doesn't show anything via serial. |
| 17:01.13 | thefrog | that's one inexpensive bluetooth 2.0 dongle |
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| 17:02.00 | mnemoc | hackandfab: i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 17:02.11 | hackandfab | xDDD |
| 17:02.51 | hackandfab | ok, I tried to use cedar examples on my armhf mele and it didn't work, then I saw why, they're armel. |
| 17:02.57 | thefrog | mnemoc: your link is killing my post-lunch productivity |
| 17:03.28 | mnemoc | thefrog: :) |
| 17:03.51 | mnemoc | hackandfab: yes, we don't have armhf cedarx libraries |
| 17:04.18 | hackandfab | so I went back and made all armel but now the kernel doesn't boot. What command line parameters do you use to boot it from SD |
| 17:06.34 | mnemoc | the same you were using for a armhf userspace should work with an armel one |
| 17:07.40 | mnemoc | it's the same kernel anyway |
| 17:08.14 | hackandfab | ok ok then I did something wrong, I'll keep looking, thx. |
| 17:08.25 | mnemoc | yw |
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| 17:09.07 | mnemoc | thefrog: I saw 5 colors and many different sizes |
| 17:14.11 | thefrog | mnemoc: I was wondering if the LCD Dsipaly screens from the camera DIY section could connect to anything I have. |
| 17:14.53 | thefrog | I mean.. if the connectors of the screen match up to any of the sockets i have on various kits |
| 17:15.38 | mnemoc | doubtful... but probably making an adapter isn't that hard |
| 17:16.20 | mnemoc | thefrog: but don't forget LCD displays don't tell you how to use them :) |
| 17:16.37 | mnemoc | i mean, the bare panels |
| 17:17.31 | mnemoc | DX's new "please forgive the past" campain is nice :) |
| 17:17.35 | thefrog | roger that. everything is much easy.. right up to the point where you try to do it. Then it's hard.. or impossible. |
| 17:17.51 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:18.36 | mnemoc | everyone says soldering is easy. I just can't |
| 17:18.52 | thefrog | My father in law does all the soldering. |
| 17:19.08 | thefrog | he's a retired goldsmith/jewler |
| 17:19.19 | mnemoc | nice |
| 17:20.02 | thefrog | He can out-solder the machines... fixes surface mount stuff on the first-run stuff all the time. |
| 17:20.22 | thefrog | i can't solder at all. |
| 17:21.06 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:26.45 | specing | I can out-solder the machines too! |
| 17:27.05 | specing | pulls the plug* |
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| 17:27.05 | specing | There, outsoldered! |
| 17:36.14 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: chat master * re35a07efd239 /allwinner_a10/orders/chatmar.mdwn: |
| 17:36.22 | thefrog | specing: i'm not cleaning that |
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| 17:37.16 | specing | thefrog: wut? |
| 17:37.46 | thefrog | specing: the machine you unplugged. not cleaning that. |
| 17:42.25 | thefrog | specing: weak joke |
| 17:42.28 | Mazon | mailing list down ? |
| 17:43.03 | Mazon | or just really quiet? |
| 17:46.11 | mnemoc | Mazon: send a test mail |
| 17:46.58 | Mazon | that'd require me to do something :) |
| 17:47.34 | mnemoc | you already did something by asking here |
| 17:47.55 | Mazon | *grumble* |
| 17:50.38 | Mazon | did something come through ? |
| 17:51.01 | Mazon | yay - incoming pi, about time |
| 17:53.04 | mnemoc | Mazon: not yet |
| 17:54.13 | mnemoc | seems it's indeed down |
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| 17:57.54 | j1nx | evening guys |
| 17:58.40 | mnemoc | moin j1nx |
| 17:58.58 | j1nx | anything interesting happening? |
| 17:59.48 | j1nx | outside the xbmc scene ofcourse |
| 18:00.38 | j1nx | did not check back for a while, but how is that A13 board getting along? |
| 18:06.56 | mnemoc | last week Tsvetan posted the routing was finished... |
| 18:07.02 | mnemoc | 12x12cm |
| 18:07.21 | mnemoc | beside that, no idea |
| 18:07.45 | thefrog | j1nx: i've had that disco inferno in my head all day. glad you had backups |
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| 18:09.32 | j1nx | 12x12? |
| 18:10.29 | j1nx | thefrog: Jep me too, the good thing was it was brand new from the last night and the smoke started ~1 hour after I created the automatic DB backup |
| 18:10.55 | j1nx | So only had to quickly reinstall the esxi and get the VM back up |
| 18:11.20 | j1nx | did not needed the DB backup as the DB is on a seperate dedicate drive |
| 18:11.22 | thefrog | we run all our esxi from flash cards |
| 18:11.55 | j1nx | I now from usb stick |
| 18:12.22 | thefrog | nice. who was the drive mfr? |
| 18:12.23 | mnemoc | j1nx: http://olimex.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/a13-olinuxino-routing-complete/ |
| 18:12.46 | j1nx | seacrape |
| 18:13.22 | j1nx | Had two disks in. one as esxi boot which was kind of a waste, the second for the vm's |
| 18:13.46 | j1nx | now boot from usb as the whole OS run in mem anyway and use the other good disks for the vms |
| 18:14.11 | j1nx | the third disk was already dedicated for the DB to prevent I/O delys |
| 18:15.17 | j1nx | Really like the change to mITX the Olinuxino made |
| 18:18.09 | j1nx | hope, they are up for sale soon |
| 18:18.38 | j1nx | Any news on them working on the sun6i stuff? |
| 18:18.57 | mnemoc | Mazon: arrived :) |
| 18:19.22 | mnemoc | j1nx: who is "them"? |
| 18:20.27 | mnemoc | j1nx: sun6i hasn't even been announced yet, from there to let an small maker like olimex to put their hands on it will take a looooooooong time |
| 18:20.48 | j1nx | the people of olimex and I meant the A13 stuff |
| 18:21.05 | j1nx | sun5i |
| 18:21.27 | mnemoc | j1nx: olimex doesn't do software, they give free boards to free software developers so the do it |
| 18:22.02 | mnemoc | which is *awesome* |
| 18:22.20 | mnemoc | other manufacturers should do the same too |
| 18:22.29 | j1nx | mnemoc: So you will get one for free then :D |
| 18:22.50 | mnemoc | and hno too |
| 18:23.17 | mnemoc | but afaik he will make around 6 prototypes, so there will be more freebies |
| 18:25.13 | Mazon | afaik, its not free? - it's discount on future purchases... reason being they've been burned multipole times by people not completing the projects |
| 18:26.08 | j1nx | some people should get it for free to speed up the development |
| 18:26.16 | j1nx | mnemoc, hno and .... |
| 18:26.25 | j1nx | turl, maybe |
| 18:26.42 | j1nx | do I forget anybody? |
| 18:27.28 | thefrog | china post airmail to US is 7-14 days... today is day 9 (calendar not business). Must Be Patient. |
| 18:38.06 | Turl | woot my mele is now on .ar :) |
| 18:38.55 | mnemoc | Turl: :D |
| 18:39.30 | Turl | and so is my relay card :D |
| 18:41.06 | Turl | eh hm wtf |
| 18:41.13 | Turl | mnemoc: my kernel build broke? o.O |
| 18:41.25 | mnemoc | your fault |
| 18:41.27 | Turl | drivers/built-in.o: In function `Fb_ioctl': |
| 18:41.27 | Turl | /root/zatab/linux-allwinner/drivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c:1105: undefined reference to `ump_dd_secure_id_get' |
| 18:41.27 | Turl | drivers/built-in.o: In function `Fb_open': |
| 18:41.28 | Turl | /root/zatab/linux-allwinner/drivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c:763: undefined reference to `ump_dd_handle_create_from_phys_blocks' |
| 18:41.50 | mnemoc | Turl: mali enabled? |
| 18:42.16 | mnemoc | uhm.... you build android... you shouldn't get ump integration |
| 18:43.05 | mnemoc | check CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_UMP_SUN4I is undefined |
| 18:43.58 | Turl | oldconfig does +CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_UMP_SUN4I=y |
| 18:45.14 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 18:45.23 | Turl | why is it default y? |
| 18:45.54 | mnemoc | the depend on does the trick |
| 18:45.56 | mnemoc | or did |
| 18:46.45 | Turl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.55 | mnemoc | - depends on MALI=m && LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=m |
| 18:46.58 | mnemoc | + depends on MALI && LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I |
| 18:46.59 | mnemoc | blame hno |
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| 18:47.30 | mnemoc | Turl: restore the LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=m |
| 18:48.17 | Turl | I still don't get what's the difference |
| 18:48.30 | Turl | I personally use it =y but I could as well use =m? |
| 18:48.32 | mnemoc | Turl: mali only builds as m |
| 18:48.43 | mnemoc | if LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I is built-in it misses symbols |
| 18:48.47 | Turl | ahh |
| 18:48.53 | Turl | yeah get it now :) |
| 18:49.05 | mnemoc | so ump integration is incompatible with LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=y |
| 18:49.11 | Turl | yep got it now |
| 18:49.19 | RaYmAn | misses symbols? Shouldn't it be possible to force-export them? |
| 18:49.47 | mnemoc | in the case of mali we prefer to minimize the changes |
| 18:51.16 | mnemoc | but yes, it's annoying that you need the whole disp thing as m if you want X11 integration |
| 18:53.24 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: patch? :) |
| 18:53.26 | Turl | https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/45f924176b5bb5746ad9bdd13d7f4ead6f900ddb |
| 18:54.33 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: might do - it's hard to tell what's good ideas :P (and what's been ruled out) |
| 18:57.49 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: the only restriction is that android people needs built-in fb, but they don't need ump integration |
| 18:58.08 | RaYmAn | doesn't hurt to have a few extra symbols defined though |
| 18:58.09 | RaYmAn | :) |
| 18:58.14 | mnemoc | and that mali only supports 'm' |
| 18:58.26 | RaYmAn | is that due to load order? |
| 18:58.34 | RaYmAn | or unknown? |
| 18:58.40 | mnemoc | for me, unknown |
| 18:58.53 | RaYmAn | 'k |
| 18:59.10 | mnemoc | there are too many areas and need fixing to worry much about those that work :p |
| 18:59.20 | mnemoc | s/and/that/ |
| 18:59.32 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 18:59.38 | Turl | android doesn't *need* it built in afaik |
| 18:59.51 | RaYmAn | I hope to get more involved once I actually have a tab |
| 18:59.58 | Turl | I just prefer it that way :) I don't like having over 9000 insmod lines on the init script :P |
| 18:59.59 | RaYmAn | mk802 really isn't that good of a dev platform :P |
| 19:00.08 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:01.48 | mnemoc | Turl: can I merge the wip/3.0/mem branch? |
| 19:02.14 | mnemoc | note the new ignore_atag_mem option |
| 19:02.19 | Turl | link? |
| 19:02.28 | WarheadsSE | busy in here, good |
| 19:03.07 | WarheadsSE | Any clues as to why my 3.0.36 build might have a really bad habit of crapping out on paging requests? |
| 19:03.15 | mnemoc | Turl: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commits/wip/linux-sunxi-3.0/mem |
| 19:03.27 | WarheadsSE | when it boots, it boots fine. When it does, its all kinda of random fail |
| 19:03.31 | Turl | WarheadsSE: crappy ram? idk |
| 19:03.52 | WarheadsSE | I am certainly not ruling that out. |
| 19:04.36 | Turl | mnemoc: the ignore atag thing worked ok last I tried; I didn't try the new mali stuff but it should work |
| 19:04.39 | WarheadsSE | but If i go back to 3.0.8, works just fine. |
| 19:04.53 | Turl | mnemoc: I'd say merge it |
| 19:05.05 | mnemoc | WarheadsSE: 3.0.8 = closed tree, with hacks we don't have |
| 19:05.22 | Turl | mnemoc: btw, "...yet", I doubt you can have configurable mali size , the address & size is hardcoded on the userspace egl libs |
| 19:06.03 | WarheadsSE | mnemoc: sucky. |
| 19:06.38 | mnemoc | Turl: why the f* do they need to hardcode that address in the userspace driver?! |
| 19:07.18 | Turl | mnemoc: who knows, but they do |
| 19:07.42 | Turl | mnemoc: and what's worst, they check the address on the kernelspace UMP and print a huge warning :D so it must not be due to performance reasons |
| 19:08.09 | mnemoc | :( |
| 19:08.40 | mnemoc | I made several experiemnts or removing the fixup hack... no luck :( |
| 19:08.50 | mnemoc | for* |
| 19:09.10 | mnemoc | but always assuming we need to keep the blessed address |
| 19:09.54 | Turl | yeah we need |
| 19:10.06 | Turl | I actually moved it to the end of my 1GB |
| 19:10.18 | Turl | and saw all the craptastic warnings >.< |
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| 19:10.36 | mnemoc | only warnings or it actually failed? |
| 19:10.58 | Turl | yeah, warnings and failures |
| 19:11.01 | Turl | stuff like |
| 19:11.21 | Turl | "we got a request for 0xsomething but it's not on the memory space we handle, bailing out!" |
| 19:11.30 | Turl | on ~10 line, ****-bordered boxes on dmesg |
| 19:11.37 | mnemoc | :( |
| 19:20.39 | hno | mnemoc, are you serious? disp missing symbols because it's built in but available when built as module? |
| 19:21.26 | mnemoc | hno: yes. mali/x11 needs fb/ump integration, but ump is m only |
| 19:21.43 | mnemoc | hno: so we can't have mali/x11 with built-in fb |
| 19:23.03 | mnemoc | and that CONFIG_ does handles it |
| 19:23.12 | mnemoc | s/and/so/ |
| 19:23.18 | mnemoc | err... damn |
| 19:24.16 | hno | isn't UMP a separate module? |
| 19:24.33 | mnemoc | yes |
| 19:25.28 | mnemoc | you want to try to get ump y-able? |
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| 19:28.19 | hno | Rather decouple disp from ump I think. |
| 19:32.36 | mnemoc | afaik that was the only way Tom managed to get X11/mali starting |
| 19:37.38 | RaYmAn | How far is "our" mali from e.g. the ones linaro support? As in, should it be possible to switch out the kernel interface to be "stock"? |
| 19:37.58 | xxiao_ | what is ump |
| 19:40.49 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: the kernel driver is "stock" + config.h + platform.c |
| 19:41.19 | mnemoc | config.h defines the resources, platform.c the integration |
| 19:41.48 | RaYmAn | okay |
| 19:42.17 | mnemoc | the main problem is that you need their DDK (restricted) to compile the driver |
| 19:42.28 | mnemoc | linaro has it, allwinner has it, we don't |
| 19:42.47 | RaYmAn | hm |
| 19:43.14 | mnemoc | and hipboi's spare time at work to actually try to learn the DDK and get the x11 driver working is.... limited |
| 19:43.42 | RaYmAn | yeah :/ |
| 19:44.02 | RaYmAn | so we can't use the pre-compiled userspace drivers? |
| 19:44.31 | mnemoc | nope, we need was made for A10 |
| 19:46.15 | RaYmAn | damn |
| 19:46.49 | mnemoc | it doesn't even allow us to change the reserved memory address |
| 19:49.48 | mnemoc | but it's working... even armhf |
| 19:50.16 | mnemoc | it's just that we don't have much room for making improvements |
| 19:50.54 | RaYmAn | accel working now as well? |
| 19:51.07 | mnemoc | don't know |
| 19:51.26 | mnemoc | i happy with X11 starting :p |
| 19:52.04 | mnemoc | hipboi sent a free mele to a guy in ARM to try to improve the situation |
| 19:52.30 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 19:56.24 | mnemoc | sunxi-v3.0.36-r1 tagged, 3.0-v2 upgraded to 3.0.38 |
| 20:08.05 | hno | The FB UMP entanglement is just for one single ioctl, and registering the fb with ump. |
| 20:14.16 | WarheadsSE | " a guy in ARM" ? |
| 20:16.50 | WarheadsSE | accel would certainly be nice, but I have xfce4 & mesa-demos working |
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| 20:23.06 | Turl | Scepterr: ohai |
| 20:24.19 | Scepterr | boo |
| 20:25.07 | Scepterr | anybody started on jb for A10 ? |
| 20:25.13 | Turl | Scepterr: I have it running |
| 20:25.14 | Turl | :P |
| 20:25.22 | Scepterr | oh awesome |
| 20:25.32 | Turl | just no multimedia capabilities :P |
| 20:25.37 | Scepterr | oh |
| 20:25.40 | Scepterr | well thats fail |
| 20:25.48 | Scepterr | go sit in the corner |
| 20:26.09 | Turl | Scepterr: the multimedia stuff is a stagefright replacement |
| 20:26.09 | Scepterr | omx on cm9? |
| 20:26.10 | Turl | not omx |
| 20:26.17 | Scepterr | ph god |
| 20:26.20 | Scepterr | oh* |
| 20:26.42 | Turl | but you got a way to play angry birds on your big screen |
| 20:26.47 | Turl | see it that way :P |
| 20:26.53 | Scepterr | already have a dozen ways |
| 20:27.03 | Scepterr | including my tv running it natively |
| 20:27.16 | Turl | o.O |
| 20:27.57 | Scepterr | uses phone or tablet for controller |
| 20:28.25 | Turl | google SW codecs are decent btw |
| 20:28.51 | Scepterr | yah but not for my 720/1080p mkvs |
| 20:29.01 | Turl | yeah |
| 20:29.40 | Scepterr | love that my raspberrypi plays 1080p without skipping beat |
| 20:30.02 | Turl | anyway, for all the rest who are probably wtf'ing @ our conversation, Scepterr is also a CM guy, and bought an A10 https://www.dealextreme.com/p/h24-mini-android-4-1-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-tf-av-black-4gb-143255 |
| 20:30.19 | WarheadsSE | gpu ftw with the right codecs |
| 20:30.36 | Scepterr | couldnt say no to that for $35 |
| 20:30.50 | Turl | Scepterr: rpi last I checked was like 50 :x |
| 20:30.56 | Turl | with the 35 + shipping + case |
| 20:30.57 | Scepterr | add an amp = Nexus Q |
| 20:31.13 | mnemoc | $35? it says 77.... |
| 20:31.14 | Scepterr | s/$35/77 |
| 20:31.21 | Scepterr | :) |
| 20:31.52 | Turl | be back in a bit |
| 20:33.30 | WarheadsSE | looks very similar to the A100 |
| 20:33.39 | WarheadsSE | but ina more slimline box |
| 20:34.35 | Scepterr | you guys try chromium on it ? |
| 20:36.12 | WarheadsSE | Hexxeh spends a lot of time in our channel |
| 20:36.20 | Hexxeh | idle hard erryday |
| 20:36.30 | Mazon | anywhere in the EU you can buy a mele ? |
| 20:38.16 | Scepterr | oo Arch support for A10 |
| 20:38.22 | mnemoc | Mazon: if you buy it directly from hipboi using paypal you can get it shipped using sweden post and it's much faster than china post |
| 20:38.47 | Mazon | and costly? |
| 20:39.01 | mnemoc | same price that on his aliexpress shop afaik |
| 20:39.40 | mnemoc | the reason is that aliexpress doesn't support that shipping method, and so they don't pay him |
| 20:42.34 | Mazon | 15$ shipping via sweden post ? |
| 20:42.55 | mnemoc | mail him and ask :) mr.hipboi gmail com |
| 20:45.33 | Mazon | why the hell is the noarmal a2000 ~ 15$ shipping but the one which includes debugging ~ 22$ shipping? - surely it's not much bigget to ship ? :) |
| 20:46.12 | Mazon | a2000 > a1000 ? |
| 20:46.27 | mnemoc | nicer case |
| 20:47.00 | Mazon | same internals and shit ? |
| 20:47.17 | mnemoc | the main board, yes |
| 20:47.31 | mnemoc | it has an small board to relocate the VGA connector |
| 20:48.23 | mnemoc | but beside that it's identical |
| 20:48.28 | Mazon | k |
| 20:49.15 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/Mele_A1000 has pictures of both |
| 20:49.36 | Mazon | aye, guess this is the one to get: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/566675641-Mele-A2000-TV-box-debug-board-pack-wholesalers.html |
| 20:51.25 | mnemoc | yes |
| 20:51.58 | mnemoc | aliexpress only pays the sellers after *they* confirm you received the product |
| 20:52.48 | mnemoc | so direct paypal gives him more flexibility and that can be reflected in different shipping methods and costs |
| 20:53.03 | Mazon | yeah |
| 20:53.17 | Mazon | wouldn't mind if the board had 1gb ram .. oh well |
| 20:54.07 | mnemoc | not yet :| |
| 20:54.17 | mnemoc | but tom mentioned it may be comming |
| 20:55.16 | mnemoc | but I would prefer to buy an eoma68-a10 or olinuxino-a10/1GB instead |
| 20:55.26 | mnemoc | let's see what comes out first |
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| 20:58.55 | hno | There is no olinuxino-A10 1GB planned afak. Didn't he settle hard on 512MB? |
| 20:59.43 | mnemoc | i still have hope :) |
| 21:00.13 | Mazon | hno: yeah - but it might be a while |
| 21:00.21 | Mazon | also, there is the o-droidx |
| 21:00.25 | Mazon | or whatever |
| 21:01.35 | Mazon | wow, that OpenBlocks AX3 .. |
| 21:02.43 | Mazon | uh, 70000 JPY = 900$ ?? |
| 21:02.54 | Turl | I was thinking a bit on stuff |
| 21:02.55 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 21:03.01 | Turl | would a mele fit inside a x86 case mnemoc? |
| 21:03.10 | Turl | like, with x86 components inside? |
| 21:06.07 | hno | Turl, It's a very small board, and x86 boxes have lots of air. I don't have an x86 box where it would not fit somewhere. |
| 21:06.49 | mnemoc | inside the 5.25" bay.... but you'll have to get the cables out from the side |
| 21:07.24 | Turl | that's with the mele box? |
| 21:07.27 | Turl | or bare board? |
| 21:07.37 | hno | why do you want the box inside another box? |
| 21:08.00 | Turl | lazy? :) |
| 21:08.01 | mnemoc | probably would need to take out the black cover |
| 21:08.14 | Turl | I'd need to add insulation if I were to put the bare box |
| 21:08.22 | Turl | the case is all metallic |
| 21:09.45 | Turl | the bare board* |
| 21:10.26 | mnemoc | Turl: the case has two parts |
| 21:10.37 | mnemoc | a metallic L where the board is mounted |
| 21:10.59 | hno | I would place the bare board somewhere. Turl, what is the intended use? |
| 21:11.29 | mnemoc | and a fancy black cover which I lost :p |
| 21:11.33 | Turl | hno: I'm planning on building a new x86 box |
| 21:11.52 | Turl | putting the mele inside would be neat |
| 21:11.59 | mnemoc | why? |
| 21:12.12 | mnemoc | the mele's box is MUCH nicer than any x86 case |
| 21:12.27 | Turl | less space? :) |
| 21:12.35 | Turl | my place is not precisely huge :P |
| 21:12.43 | hno | still have the plastic, but not sure the two remembers each oter. |
| 21:12.52 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:13.19 | Turl | mnemoc: and I can connect the uart thing internally via usb :P |
| 21:14.02 | Scepterr | any of you play with arduinos ? |
| 21:15.13 | Turl | I have one |
| 21:15.25 | Turl | and bought a relay card do do some home automation |
| 21:15.33 | Scepterr | got an utrasonic sensor to play with o rpi |
| 21:15.44 | Turl | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/561630918-8-Channel-5V-Relay-Module-with-Optocoupler-For-Arduino-PIC-ARM-AVR-DSP-Free-Shipping-Dropshipping-wholesalers.html this one iirc |
| 21:16.01 | Scepterr | wanna do ppl counter/alert |
| 21:17.27 | Scepterr | http://www.amazon.com/Onite-HC-SR04-Ultrasonic-Distance-Arduino/dp/B0085MXZH0/ |
| 21:23.02 | Turl | nice |
| 21:23.56 | hno | Turl, any specific case in mind? easier to discuss mechanics when having some reference. |
| 21:25.05 | Turl | hno: less space used, no extra power supply |
| 21:25.08 | Turl | and low power idle box |
| 21:25.32 | hno | i meant x86 chassis/case. |
| 21:25.56 | Turl | standard computer case |
| 21:26.11 | Turl | with x86 computer components |
| 21:26.21 | hno | there is no standard. |
| 21:26.54 | Scepterr | http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=690&name=HTPC-Media-Center-Cases |
| 21:27.03 | Turl | atx? |
| 21:27.13 | Turl | typical workstation tower |
| 21:27.41 | mnemoc | mele's case is nicer than any of those miniITX :p |
| 21:27.41 | hno | full size atx? didn't you say you had a shortage of space? |
| 21:28.49 | hno | ant atx is main board placement and power supply, still lots of variation and different sizes. |
| 21:29.51 | Turl | hno: yeah but I'm building a desktop PC :P |
| 21:31.10 | mnemoc | why? not enough with your monster notebook? |
| 21:31.30 | Turl | my monster notebook is just monster size-wise :< |
| 21:31.43 | hno | you don't typically place a tower on the desktop, but any atx tower will have plenty of space to fit the whole mele with case and everything. |
| 21:32.42 | hno | unless you also plan on filling that tower with full size atx main board, gigantic cpu cooler and maxed on drives and I/O boards, |
| 21:33.08 | Turl | hno: http://www.miralaonline.net/images/KGMcz.jpg |
| 21:33.47 | mnemoc | Turl: wait for the DELL for developers |
| 21:34.30 | Turl | hm? |
| 21:34.59 | mnemoc | google for dell sputnik |
| 21:35.51 | Turl | meh typical lappy with dev software |
| 21:35.59 | Turl | besides it's dell :) |
| 21:36.08 | Turl | gotta go, and gotta go quick :D cya later all |
| 21:38.28 | hno | "hardware drivers .. that support building, testing, and producing web and mobile apps"??? |
| 21:43.03 | hno | interesting that dell runs such projed, but it's really two projects. Getting full support for the hardware, and getting selecting the right software meeting the intended developer audience needs. |
| 21:43.28 | hno | but wtf.. 720p display. |
| 21:46.29 | hno | how is a web developer going to fit both webpage, firebug, eclipse java debugger etc without going nuts? |
| 21:48.29 | hno | and it's not arm. |
| 21:50.45 | mnemoc | I'll probably keep my 11.6" E350 thinkpad until a similar ARM-based device comes out |
| 21:51.36 | mnemoc | eoma68 or quad imx6 |
| 21:55.32 | mnemoc | or quad imx6-eoma68 :p |
| 21:56.04 | ZaEarl | Typical Dell. Take a laptop off the end of the Windows production line, install Ubuntu onto it, and call it an Ubuntu laptop. |
| 21:57.20 | ZaEarl | They tried that once before. They shipped an "Ubuntu laptop" that had no touchpad drivers. |
| 22:04.21 | Manofthe1ea | sure. Try to get Windows to lower their OEM price. |
| 22:08.22 | mnemoc | in many countries they have never sold windows-less devices |
| 22:26.57 | hno | With the "addons" shipped with a dell I doubt they end up paying anything for the Windows license. |
| 22:30.59 | penguin42 | oh, I love Google Translate |
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| 22:32.00 | WarheadsSE | Scepterr: yes, Arch will be "on" the A10 soon enough, officially. I just need to package up the kernel/UMP/xf86-video for it |
| 22:32.48 | WarheadsSE | mnemoc: I am looking forward to the Nitrogen6 |
| 22:33.23 | mnemoc | WarheadsSE: url? |
| 22:33.54 | WarheadsSE | http://boundarydevices.com/products/nitrogen6x-board-imx6-arm-cortex-a9-sbc/ |
| 22:34.06 | WarheadsSE | I have one of those headed my way when it comes off the line. |
| 22:34.38 | penguin42 | I like the look of that OpenBlocks A stuff http://openblocks.plathome.com/products/obs_a/ |
| 22:34.52 | penguin42 | an arm board with 4 GigE on - whatever next! |
| 22:35.00 | mnemoc | WarheadsSE: little over priced, but nice specs :) |
| 22:35.09 | WarheadsSE | I never said I paid for it :p |
| 22:35.14 | mnemoc | :) |
| 22:35.35 | WarheadsSE | so the master is up to 3.0.38 now? |
| 22:35.50 | WarheadsSE | Did I see that right earlier? |
| 22:36.00 | mnemoc | yes |
| 22:36.04 | WarheadsSE | K |
| 22:36.31 | mnemoc | beware the new CONFIG_SUNXI_IGNORE_ATAG_MEM option |
| 22:36.44 | specing | RAM near ethernet magnetics? Ewww |
| 22:36.53 | WarheadsSE | Yeah, I saw that discussion |
| 22:37.04 | penguin42 | specing: Why? |
| 22:38.42 | specing | penguin42: I just dont like the idea of having anything that can mess up bits near the RAMs |
| 22:39.05 | mnemoc | WarheadsSE: and be sure to keep the FB driver as module if you want x11/mali |
| 22:39.11 | specing | though I haven't delved into the desing considerations of magnetic components so it might be safe |
| 22:39.27 | mnemoc | going to sleep now, cu tomorrow |
| 22:40.32 | specing | the nitrogen does look promising though |
| 22:41.14 | specing | I would have expected more RAM but what do you know... computers once had <640k ram |
| 22:42.49 | penguin42 | specing: never heard of RAM being magnetic sensitive for the last 30 years (although starting to think about it now...) |
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| 23:10.47 | hno | specing, my first had 4K, of which ~3.5K was available. |
| 23:11.34 | hno | it's amazing how much fits in some kb. |
| 23:15.48 | ZaEarl | Someone should do a 4k demo on an A10. |
| 23:23.02 | lundman | ok |
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| 23:31.54 | Manofthe1ea | hello luke |
| 23:33.19 | furan | I need some assembly help |
| 23:33.47 | furan | given a cmp r#, r#, what does bcc then do? |
| 23:33.52 | lundman | LDY load Y register |
| 23:33.53 | furan | er, rA, rB |
| 23:34.08 | furan | rA > rB? |
| 23:35.48 | lundman | http://sourceware.org/cgen/gen-doc/arm-thumb-insn.html |
| 23:35.56 | lundman | branch of not cbit |
| 23:36.57 | furan | yeah, I am not sure what that means, given cmp rA, rB |
| 23:37.23 | lundman | the cmp mentiuoned when cbit set, butyes, not entirely clear |
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