| 00:22.17 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-07-02 09:06:23 AM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> i will be out of town from july 10 to july 12 and i really hope the delivery is not during that time |
| 00:22.17 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-07-02 09:10:08 AM PDT] <Turl> DonkeyHotei: don't worry, it usually takes more like 15-20 days |
| 00:22.33 | DonkeyHotei | sure enough, delivery was attempted while i was out of town |
| 00:23.12 | lundman | yep |
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| 00:41.27 | ManoftheSea | of course it would be. |
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| 01:39.32 | hno | Hm.. why do boot1 need twi? |
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| 02:54.58 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: don't complain, my mele is still on china |
| 02:55.01 | Turl | :P |
| 02:55.28 | DonkeyHotei | grrr |
| 03:20.20 | hipboi_ | hno: boot1 need to access the pmu, which is twi interface |
| 03:25.10 | Turl | hipboi_: I am running JB on A10 :) |
| 03:25.29 | hipboi_ | Turl: everything works well? |
| 03:25.32 | Turl | hipboi_: no |
| 03:25.50 | Turl | hipboi_: CedarX is all broken, google changed apis, need to see if it can be fixed |
| 03:25.57 | Turl | no CedarX => no camera for now |
| 03:26.16 | Turl | audio doesn't work either, need to investigate, shouldn't be too hard |
| 03:26.30 | Turl | hwcomposer and EGL work fine apparently |
| 03:26.37 | Turl | brightness control too |
| 03:27.36 | Turl | if you guys @ allwinner would have used OMX interface, video encoding/decoding would be working by now *hint* :) |
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| 03:33.37 | hipboi_ | Turl: don't blame me |
| 03:33.46 | hipboi_ | Turl: it's another team |
| 03:34.07 | Turl | hipboi_: I'm not blaming you, just saying :) |
| 03:34.48 | hipboi_ | Turl: well, most of allwinner engineers don't like follow the standard way |
| 03:35.06 | Turl | yeah, I noticed :) |
| 04:04.24 | steev | Turl: god that would be nice (OMX) |
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| 04:13.43 | Turl | steev: yeah, OMX is pretty much *the* standard way to do video decoding/encoding software interfaces |
| 04:13.59 | steev | actually it's the *standard* |
| 04:14.06 | steev | or rather *the standard* |
| 04:14.23 | steev | http://www.khronos.org/openmax/ |
| 04:14.38 | Turl | yeah, by the same people doing *GL* |
| 04:14.39 | steev | i know you know, but i'm sure there are at least a fwe people in here who don't :) |
| 04:14.49 | steev | GL, GLES, AL, A(S?) |
| 04:15.09 | steev | SL* |
| 04:15.10 | steev | not AS |
| 04:15.16 | Turl | and OpenCL maybe? |
| 04:15.28 | steev | many more |
| 04:15.34 | steev | they are listed at the top of the page :P |
| 04:15.55 | Turl | and they're free of royalties iirc :P |
| 04:15.58 | DonkeyHotei | which would be better for the a2000? http://www.ebay.com/itm/390439088468 or http://www.gadgetneeds.net/sandisk-ultra-sdssdh-120g-g25-2-5-internal-solid-state-drive-ssd/ |
| 04:16.37 | Turl | I heard WD makes crap lately |
| 04:16.42 | Turl | haven't checked personally :) |
| 04:17.22 | Turl | and no idea about that ssd (why would you put a ssd on a mele? :P) |
| 04:17.49 | steev | is a fan of the OCZ Vertex 3 line |
| 04:18.14 | DonkeyHotei | didn't someone here say never to get ocz for any reason? |
| 04:18.16 | steev | Turl: indeed, but it sounds like the allwinner media team is like a lot of companies |
| 04:18.29 | steev | DonkeyHotei: maybe someone did, i can't agree with them |
| 04:18.40 | steev | Turl: in that, they have NIH |
| 04:18.54 | Turl | NIH? |
| 04:19.08 | steev | open and royalty free? fuck that, not invented here, let's get some job security going! |
| 04:19.44 | steev | Turl: Not Invented Here, a lot of companies and even developers I know are like that |
| 04:20.00 | steev | rewrite it just because they dislike 1 line of code (that's a comment) |
| 04:21.53 | Turl | I've seen people like that, but related to OS code |
| 04:23.00 | steev | i've seen it in almost everything |
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| 08:03.26 | hipboi_ | mnemoc: i promise there will be 1GB modekl |
| 08:03.39 | hipboi_ | s/modekl/model/ |
| 08:05.16 | specing | hipboi_ :) |
| 08:06.05 | specing | hipboi_: Any quad core ARMs being designed? |
| 08:07.24 | Turl | quad core A15 maybe? :) |
| 08:07.29 | hipboi_ | specing: sorry i can't tell |
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| 08:14.53 | rm | received my USB video "card" from China |
| 08:16.18 | rm | will try it with Mele today |
| 08:16.41 | rm | should have all fine and dandy, DPMS should work, 1680x1050 over DVI, etc |
| 08:16.41 | lundman | :) |
| 08:16.47 | rm | maybe even some sort of DRI/Xv |
| 08:17.40 | Turl | rm fu, my usb<->parallel cable is still on the mail :( |
| 08:18.05 | rm | btw, are there any new discoveries regarding defining custom modes on HDMI of A10? |
| 08:28.46 | lundman | should be easy to add more modes |
| 08:28.53 | lundman | then write a C program to trigger them |
| 08:30.41 | specing | hipboi_: :( |
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| 08:50.16 | rm | how :S |
| 08:50.26 | rm | well, I have a program to switch modes |
| 08:50.39 | rm | (not that it works properly, though) |
| 08:50.48 | rm | but where to add new ones |
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| 09:13.28 | hno | steev, NiH is a natural syndrome of humans. It feels easier to throw away and start over than trying to fix someone elses mess (or your own when memory have faded). We consequently ignore the fact that those last 5%. takes the most effort and starting from scratch only adds to the effort. |
| 09:16.28 | specing | heh |
| 09:17.56 | hno | rm, the hardware is completely flexible. The inflexible part is only the mode switching code based on a fixed set of modes. See TCON1_set_hdmi_mode function (drivers/video/sun4i/disp/de_bsp/de/ebios/de_lcdc.c ) and other uses of those mode constants.. |
| 09:19.23 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Emilwinebrand master * r9b29c4db47f4 /allwinner_a10/orders/emil.winebrand__64__insoundz.com.mdwn: |
| 09:22.44 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Peter master * r4aa1ff79e5bf /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/script_for_installing_debian_on_sdcard.mdwn: Updated download link |
| 09:23.07 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Peter master * r564b525ab8c6 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/mele_ubuntu_image.mdwn: Updated download link |
| 09:30.18 | hno | mnemoc, there was quite much configuration details hiding in boot0/boot1. See bootinfo.c |
| 09:30.59 | hno | even a complete copy of script.bin if I understand the structs correct. |
| 09:31.45 | hno | did some gdb magics to extract them all in symbolic form. |
| 09:32.20 | Turl | hno: I was told the recovery keys were hardcoded on bootX, and I saw entries for them on script.bin |
| 09:32.23 | Turl | might explain why then |
| 09:33.01 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Peter master * r73672526949e /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android.mdwn: Update download link |
| 09:35.08 | hno | Turl, no "recovery" keys in the configurable areas. |
| 09:36.17 | hno | https://github.com/amery/sunxi-tools/blob/master/bootinfo.c |
| 09:37.03 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Peter master * re618a2596d4f /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android.mdwn: Update download link |
| 09:39.26 | Turl | :) |
| 09:41.28 | lundman | what are we downloading |
| 09:49.23 | hno | lundman, who is downloading? |
| 09:51.04 | Shivan | What whould be requiered to run opengl-es specific apps from framebuffer (not x) on A10? |
| 09:52.12 | hno | mali driver + libraries. |
| 09:54.36 | Shivan | i can be done in the currect state? last time i tryied to use the mali driver i was getting "Unable to get secure ID" and it was a 3.0.36 kernel and modules |
| 10:02.37 | mnemoc | hno: awesome! :D |
| 10:02.38 | mnemoc | hno: are you fetching the blob using fel? |
| 10:22.30 | mnemoc | <30>udevd[144]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 10:22.30 | mnemoc | <7>wemac wemac.0: enabling eth1 |
| 10:22.34 | mnemoc | wth |
| 10:23.18 | Shivan | OK im here at this point |
| 10:23.20 | Shivan | (EE) MALI(0): [maliModifyPixmapHeader:165] UMP failed to retrieve secure id |
| 10:24.53 | ejstacey | mnemoc: I've seen that (in linux in general) when there are udev rules (which were dynamically created) that had a specific MAC |
| 10:25.04 | ejstacey | the rule was under /etc/udev |
| 10:25.12 | ejstacey | or /etc/udev.d, whatever the proper dir is |
| 10:25.47 | mnemoc | ejstacey: so it's the reaction to a MAC address change? |
| 10:26.48 | Shivan | maybe is because DISP and HDMI is built-in? |
| 10:26.58 | Shivan | LCD too |
| 10:27.02 | ejstacey | mnemoc: yep, something (udev itself?) wrote a config file that said only a specific mac gets eth0 |
| 10:27.23 | mnemoc | ejstacey: hate "smart" tools :< |
| 10:27.26 | ejstacey | mnemoc: it's an attempt to have proper/static ordering of ethernet interfaces |
| 10:27.37 | ejstacey | mnemoc: yeah, can bite you sometimes! |
| 10:27.55 | mnemoc | Shivan: 3.0.36? |
| 10:28.00 | Shivan | yep |
| 10:28.48 | mnemoc | zgrep DRM /proc/config.gz |
| 10:29.14 | Shivan | disp, lcd and hdmi are built in otherwise there is not signal on hdmi |
| 10:29.24 | mnemoc | Shivan: zgrep DRM /proc/config.gz |
| 10:29.53 | Shivan | CONFIG_DRM=m CONFIG_DRM_MALI=m |
| 10:29.58 | Shivan | mmm |
| 10:30.07 | Shivan | drm=y? |
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| 10:30.52 | mnemoc | try. I've personally never used it |
| 10:31.13 | mnemoc | also check all the mali modules are loaded |
| 10:32.03 | Shivan | disp, fsb, lcd and hdmi are not showing up on lsmod, but its because they are built in (i think) |
| 10:33.25 | Shivan | drm, mali_drm, mali and ump are there |
| 10:34.26 | mnemoc | just for the sake of testing, can you turn the sun4i-disp bunch to modules? |
| 10:36.09 | Shivan | im compiling a new one right now |
| 10:36.41 | specing | mnemoc, ejstacey you can disable that feature |
| 10:37.29 | mnemoc | specing: first I need to find out why I got a random MAC :) |
| 10:38.46 | mnemoc | Shivan: if that works I'll have to ask you to test the 3.4 branch too :p but 3.0 first :) |
| 10:38.58 | specing | You can also write an udev rule to set the mac to deadbeafcafe on bootup |
| 10:39.19 | mnemoc | I want to change how the mali memory is allocated, but need someone with working X11/mali to test it |
| 10:40.08 | Shivan | last time i try 3.4 branch on my aurora it did not even load up the kernel (usb keyboard and mouse does turn up once kernel is loaded, that does not happen with 3.4 for me) |
| 10:40.34 | mnemoc | aurora :( |
| 10:40.46 | mnemoc | was hoping something with serial console |
| 10:42.23 | Shivan | :( |
| 10:43.42 | mnemoc | I have pending a patch that enables lcd_spi (for aurora), but it also includes some fixes to the disp driver itself.... but it gives Quarx a greenish layer on hdmi |
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| 10:47.19 | Shivan | thats why 3.4 branch does not load on aurora? |
| 10:48.05 | mnemoc | Shivan: without a serial console hard to say what "does not load" means |
| 10:48.55 | Shivan | yeah, lets say, kernel does not even power up usb host |
| 10:53.53 | Shivan | i cant move disp to modules whiout moving lcd and hdmi too if i do that i get not signal on HDMI :( |
| 10:55.22 | mnemoc | yes, natural. when I asked you for that I was assuming a mele. |
| 10:56.33 | Shivan | uou known why HDMI does not work on a module on an aurora? |
| 10:58.01 | mnemoc | no idea |
| 10:59.07 | Shivan | maybe i should retry using the internal lcd |
| 11:00.29 | mnemoc | you can also try to boot from nand and use the uSD slot for a serial console |
| 11:01.03 | mnemoc | and *see* what's going on |
| 11:54.27 | Shivan | well i give up no idea of what is going on |
| 11:54.55 | mnemoc | Shivan: just noticed DRM_MALI doesn't build when DRM is built-in |
| 11:55.17 | mnemoc | meh, no. |
| 11:55.51 | mnemoc | in 3.4 it needs experimental :< |
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| 12:20.53 | Shivan | OK got it |
| 12:21.22 | Shivan | the mali driver is loading, and X server starting, but still a black screen on hdmi |
| 12:21.45 | mnemoc | Shivan: why wasn't it loading? |
| 12:22.08 | Shivan | i had the modprobes on rc.local and where not working |
| 12:23.09 | Shivan | and if i build in disp, lcd and hdmi,the driver cant get secure ID, thats has to be some bug on the kernel code |
| 12:24.07 | mnemoc | you probably need to use an ioctl() against /dev/disp to actually enable the hdmi |
| 12:25.43 | mnemoc | don't forget they made that code thinking only in android support, and implemented only the minimal code to get android working |
| 12:25.53 | mnemoc | the disp driver can't be uglier |
| 12:26.15 | mnemoc | and so, until it's cleaned, there is no way of fixing anything |
| 12:29.20 | Shivan | haha i did the DISPLAY=:0 xcalc and xcalc shows up on hdmi screen |
| 12:29.54 | Shivan | its x server who is not working then... |
| 12:30.58 | mnemoc | DISPLAY=:0 xcalc shouldn't work without an x server |
| 12:31.22 | furan | iit's probably your window server. does the xcalc have border/titlebar? |
| 12:33.07 | Shivan | nop, just a white thing with black letter and lines |
| 12:38.04 | DonkeyHotei | [Thu 2012-07-12 09:15:58 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> which would be better for the a2000? http://www.ebay.com/itm/390439088468 or http://www.gadgetneeds.net/sandisk-ultra-sdssdh-120g-g25-2-5-internal-solid-state-drive-ssd/ |
| 12:38.09 | Triffid_Hunter | Shivan: need a window manager now ;) |
| 12:39.07 | furan | ya |
| 12:40.24 | Shivan | startxfce4 -.- haha |
| 12:42.46 | mnemoc | /o\ |
| 12:44.41 | furan | \o/ |
| 12:50.23 | mnemoc | anyone with working x11/mali desktop on a mele willing to play with 3.4? |
| 13:02.07 | DonkeyHotei | 3.4 of what? |
| 13:02.14 | mnemoc | linux-sunxi |
| 13:02.26 | DonkeyHotei | kernel? |
| 13:02.30 | mnemoc | yes |
| 13:02.42 | DonkeyHotei | under android, or gnu? |
| 13:02.59 | mnemoc | x11/mali -> not android |
| 13:03.08 | DonkeyHotei | *facepalm* |
| 13:03.46 | DonkeyHotei | i just realized something |
| 13:04.00 | DonkeyHotei | is the a2000 sd slot micro-sd, or full? |
| 13:04.06 | mnemoc | full |
| 13:04.09 | DonkeyHotei | ok |
| 13:04.20 | mnemoc | but I use uSD+adapter.. |
| 13:04.38 | DonkeyHotei | because most of my micro-sd cards are 2GB |
| 13:04.45 | mnemoc | my uSD cards are better than the full ones I have |
| 13:04.49 | DonkeyHotei | i have a 4GB full one here somewhere |
| 13:05.11 | DonkeyHotei | i *might* have an 8GB micro |
| 13:06.12 | DonkeyHotei | what size is optimal? |
| 13:06.41 | mnemoc | 2GB should be enough |
| 13:06.47 | mnemoc | lunch, back in 15m |
| 13:07.33 | DonkeyHotei | i just realized there is a 16GB micro in my phone |
| 13:07.59 | DonkeyHotei | no, sorry, that's an 8GB |
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| 13:35.36 | rm | so as expected, an $35 USB VGA adapter from china turned out to be 17e9:019e DisplayLink |
| 13:35.46 | furan | trying to find some nand flash that is compatible with the a10 nand driver |
| 13:35.52 | rm | looks like one has to compile the Xorg driver manually o.o |
| 13:35.55 | rm | it's not mainlined |
| 13:36.18 | rm | i.e, not merged into Xorg or packaged for Debian |
| 13:37.10 | libv | be glad that X still somewhat allows for "out-of-tree" compilation |
| 13:38.13 | mnemoc | rm: we wanted to run some apt repos at packages.linux-sunxi.org for those things but time hasn't allowed it yet :< |
| 13:41.36 | DonkeyHotei | [Thu 2012-07-12 09:15:58 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> which would be better for the a2000? http://www.ebay.com/itm/390439088468 or http://www.gadgetneeds.net/sandisk-ultra-sdssdh-120g-g25-2-5-internal-solid-state-drive-ssd/ |
| 13:46.02 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: I don't see a point for SSD on a mele.... but not sure if you'll get enough power for a big disk |
| 13:46.18 | DonkeyHotei | that's why i'm asking |
| 13:46.52 | DonkeyHotei | iirc max power draw is 500mA |
| 13:48.42 | mnemoc | I have a Seagate Momentus 5400.5 connected (320GB). formatted, cloned the kernel and built the kernel there without a single problem |
| 13:50.51 | mnemoc | quick googling suggests mine uses 0.451A |
| 13:51.13 | DonkeyHotei | i just looked that 1TB one up, 985mA |
| 13:52.28 | mnemoc | might be too much |
| 13:54.13 | mnemoc | but ... try to find something equivalent and... test :) |
| 13:56.31 | mnemoc | after all, the power brick in my mele is 3A |
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| 14:04.53 | Triffid_Hunter | mnemoc: is that 3A at 5v? |
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| 14:06.01 | mnemoc | Triffid_Hunter: yes |
| 14:06.40 | mnemoc | but iirc these sata things use 5v too |
| 14:07.06 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah precisely |
| 14:08.16 | Triffid_Hunter | so just need to check the jack and wires and things |
| 14:08.31 | Triffid_Hunter | if there was a voltage converter inside doing the work it would be a different story |
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| 14:09.20 | mnemoc | Triffid_Hunter: http://linux-sunxi.org/images/b/ba/Mele-a1000-pcb-front.jpg |
| 14:10.43 | Triffid_Hunter | hm, sata power comes from the white headers next to the sata connector? does cross the whole board from the jack |
| 14:11.22 | mnemoc | the power jack is in the upper-right corner |
| 14:11.37 | mnemoc | black connector next to the yellow thing |
| 14:11.58 | mnemoc | i doubt they do anything fancy there |
| 14:12.00 | Triffid_Hunter | ah ok thought it was the one on the left |
| 14:12.06 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah that's nice and close, should be fine |
| 14:12.12 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 14:12.13 | mnemoc | 1m |
| 14:12.30 | mnemoc | the spdif is next to the usb |
| 14:12.41 | Triffid_Hunter | all the chips will run on 3v3 or 1v8 or something like that so slight drop in 5v shouldn't affect things much |
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| 14:15.15 | mnemoc | i'm a total analphabet in those things, but the board of the mele looks pretty elegant to me |
| 14:15.57 | mnemoc | (ignoring the glue) |
| 14:16.18 | rm | mnemoc, where is the current 3.4 kernel? |
| 14:16.28 | rm | will this get me a 3.4? git clone https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner . |
| 14:16.53 | traeak | rm: you'll have to checkout hte proper branch. that gets you on 3.0.36 |
| 14:17.24 | mnemoc | rm: switch to the wip/linux-3.4-sunxi/forward branch |
| 14:17.44 | traeak | looks like rtl8192cu is still busted in the 3.4branch |
| 14:18.03 | mnemoc | traeak: fix it ;-) |
| 14:18.11 | Shivan | mmm im getting a EGL error init display:272 when running es2_info, im guessing that means it works, at least no error 12291 this time... |
| 14:18.42 | traeak | hehe, i've got to get this lidar stuff working. i had to cook up my own image processing algorithms, i hate when i have to do that (instead of steal other people's good ideas) |
| 14:19.46 | traeak | mnemoc: i know i should take a shot at it |
| 14:19.52 | traeak | mnemoc: does 3.4 at least boot without? |
| 14:20.01 | mnemoc | sure |
| 14:21.43 | mnemoc | Welcome to Linaro 12.06 (GNU/Linux 3.4.4+ armv7l) |
| 14:21.44 | hno | mnemoc, which blob? |
| 14:21.54 | mnemoc | hno: boot0/boot1 |
| 14:22.12 | hno | No, that's from firmware images, SD images in my case. |
| 14:22.46 | mnemoc | meh. nothing is perfect :< |
| 14:22.52 | traeak | hmm...i hsould seriously considering putting the whole damn userspace on the ssd... |
| 14:25.15 | mnemoc | hno: it would have been nice to be able to script the whole upgrade :) |
| 14:26.09 | mnemoc | hno: but it's great news anyway |
| 14:33.10 | traeak | mnemoc: didn't even start booting, time to clean up everything and try again |
| 14:35.31 | mnemoc | $ uname -a |
| 14:35.32 | mnemoc | Linux mele-sd 3.4.4+ #30 PREEMPT Fri Jul 13 16:08:02 CEST 2012 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 14:35.50 | mnemoc | want my .config ? |
| 14:38.30 | traeak | sure |
| 14:41.16 | mnemoc | traeak: https://filetea.me/t1sae573 |
| 14:41.34 | mnemoc | it's not tweaked at all |
| 14:41.51 | mnemoc | but might discard problems |
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| 14:50.40 | traeak | how many of these paste sites are there? |
| 14:51.25 | specing | countless |
| 14:51.46 | traeak | thx, we'll see how this goes |
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| 14:52.19 | traeak | 2 things i need ot stage to checkin |
| 14:52.43 | traeak | removal of some includes in drm.h and turning off the unnecessary sata driver config settings |
| 14:53.43 | mnemoc | filetea.me is sort of peer-to-peer over https |
| 14:54.53 | mnemoc | just drag a file, and immediately get a url to share |
| 14:55.38 | mnemoc | and nothing is uploaded until someone starts downloading |
| 14:57.39 | rm | sounds nice |
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| 15:07.55 | libv | hrm, ch342 serial device... same stuff. |
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| 15:27.03 | libv | actual pc serial port, still garbage... |
| 15:27.26 | libv | i guess i will have to wait for the ttl uart -> usb converter to arrive |
| 15:30.26 | hno | mnemoc, bootinfo is nothing about installation, only firmware investigation. |
| 15:30.51 | hno | verifying which parameters a firmware is using. |
| 15:31.12 | mnemoc | hno: yes, but I was thinking about the possiblity to generate a .fex chunk and a header for uboot out of it |
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| 15:31.58 | mnemoc | and ultimately replacing boot0/boot1 with our uboot |
| 15:32.02 | hno | Yes, it means we can reuse the same header for u-boot if we want, to reuse the tools. Or we make our own header for our own tools. |
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| 15:35.05 | hno | replacing boot1 is easy. The hard part is boot0 where we need to figure out how simple raw NAND access works to fit in the available SRAM space. |
| 15:36.16 | hno | but next goal is GPIO testing via FEL. |
| 15:36.36 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:39.30 | hno | Which is interesting. Enabling testing most pins, only requiring USB & power working. |
| 15:40.16 | hno | well, DRAM pins don't support GPIO so those can't be tested that way. |
| 15:40.27 | hno | but all I/O pins including NAND pins. |
| 15:43.15 | hno | Also need to figure out how simple raw NAND access works to be able to flash our boot0 replacement and u-boot. |
| 15:44.30 | hno | The raw nand access code in the u-boot nand driver intended for u-boot to use for this purpose do not seem to work proprer, or I am not understanding how to use it. |
| 15:54.35 | traeak | mnemoc: thx that did the trick |
| 15:54.36 | traeak | heh |
| 15:57.35 | hackandfab | I've asked gimli how did he managed to use cedar on the mele2000 and he has told me to look at amery git but he thinks newer code is floating around. Anyone knows what code is that? |
| 16:02.26 | mnemoc | the mess tarball from the SDK |
| 16:03.47 | mnemoc | Iain Bullard (who seems to be working in REing it) told me he will sort out a good set of files to push to the repo during this weekend |
| 16:04.32 | mnemoc | because the old code there seems to even cause the kernel to panic :| |
| 16:08.23 | hackandfab | thx mnemoc, I'll try again next week then |
| 16:09.25 | mnemoc | if you plan to add cedarx bindings to libva I can point you to the stuff that's floating around... so you can start this weekend ;-) |
| 16:12.39 | gimli | mnemoc: is Iain also on irc ? |
| 16:13.04 | gimli | mnemoc: or do you have a mail adress from him, wann contact him |
| 16:15.01 | hackandfab | thx mnemoc, I'm beginning with arm and the mele (I've done embedded things with coldfire V2 and uClinux) but I wouldn't probably know how to implement the bindings yet. |
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| 16:25.01 | mnemoc | gimli: 1m, I'll give you his address on /q |
| 16:25.54 | mnemoc | hackandfab: somehow I thought you were into making a product |
| 16:26.59 | hackandfab | I'm a student doing my final project on a videoconferencing app and I want to use the mele2000 with a H264 webcam |
| 16:29.05 | hackandfab | the fab of the nic is because that's what I like to do (I did CNC stuff with a mill, a minilathe and a prusa mendel) |
| 16:29.11 | mnemoc | :) |
| 16:29.15 | mnemoc | hackandfab: check your mail |
| 16:29.19 | mnemoc | sent you a link |
| 16:30.17 | hackandfab | :) |
| 16:30.20 | hackandfab | :) :) :) |
| 16:41.59 | mnemoc | but keep waiting the repo, it will probably get shaped up soon |
| 16:42.07 | mnemoc | s/waiting/watching/ |
| 16:47.54 | Shivan | 3.4.4 does not boot on aurora, for wharever reason, but i have no way to know why either |
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| 16:57.51 | steev | Shivan: only way to find out is to get serial output |
| 16:59.35 | Shivan | yeah i know, but for some reason the aurora is tricky to get intro a successfull boot, some times it requires to power it on and off several times until the kernel load up successfully. |
| 17:00.57 | Shivan | and by successfully i mean, it sends power to the usb host |
| 17:08.24 | mnemoc | get serial output ;-) |
| 17:09.25 | Shivan | nah ill probably get a mele |
| 17:09.38 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:10.31 | Shivan | there no much point in running linux in a tablet anyway |
| 17:11.54 | steev | there is for some specific purposes |
| 17:14.36 | Shivan | a very touch friendly UI is needed... or you mean using it with a keyboard+mouse? |
| 17:20.12 | hno | Shivan, I can think of many Linux uses of a tablet, both with and without extra input devices. |
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| 17:26.19 | mnemoc | it would be nice to see tizen or mer on A10 |
| 17:27.45 | mnemoc | but we are trapped by the binary libraries |
| 17:28.42 | mnemoc | maybe mer's UI can be installed upon ubuntu |
| 17:31.18 | steev | oh patches, how i love thee |
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| 18:47.45 | DonkeyHotei | i've decided on http://www.cometsupply.com/mp/SEAGATE/pm/SGTSTBD1000100/r/gg/ for the mele a2000. thoughts? |
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| 18:48.32 | DonkeyHotei | rated at 450mA max |
| 18:50.26 | mnemoc | looks good |
| 18:50.54 | mnemoc | $95 for 1TB is a decent price too |
| 18:51.40 | hno | mnemoc, binary libraries is not stopping mer. situation is the same for any device. |
| 18:52.05 | mnemoc | true :) |
| 18:52.08 | mnemoc | go mer go |
| 18:53.01 | hno | Oh, 2.5" HAVE REACHED 1tb NOW |
| 18:53.09 | hno | hates capslock |
| 18:53.34 | mnemoc | use shift instead ;-) |
| 18:53.58 | hno | I did... thats why tb is lower case.. |
| 18:59.23 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:02.57 | specing | Why are SCSI/SAS drives so expensive? |
| 19:03.19 | DonkeyHotei | hno: http://tnl.sourcevide.co.uk/seagate-freeagent-goflex-staa1500100-150-tb-external-hard-drive-black-15tb-freeagent-goflex-usb-30-5000-rpm-16mb-25in-usbhd-usb-30-electronics_p1508.html |
| 19:03.32 | mnemoc | price is adjusted to the target buyer |
| 19:03.37 | DonkeyHotei | i just saw that now |
| 19:10.05 | traeak | specing: because the harddrive manufacturers want them to be |
| 19:10.14 | traeak | just avoid sas and use sata drives :-p |
| 19:10.32 | traeak | areca makes very fine raid6 controllers |
| 19:13.49 | hno | http://www.wdc.com/global/products/specs/?driveID=1088&language=1 if going extreme. |
| 19:15.53 | specing | traeak: I have a SCSI/parallel machine here (it does have IDE and netboot though) |
| 19:18.50 | hno | crazy. Last time I looked for harddrives 2.5" maxed out at 500GB in extreme, normal top models 320GB. |
| 19:19.56 | DonkeyHotei | hno: that 2TB drive costs well over twice as much as the 1.5TB one |
| 19:23.19 | hno | I said extreme.. |
| 19:25.53 | hno | It's crazy. 4 platters in 2.5" Still remember harddrives you could actually physically clean the heads on. |
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| 19:27.15 | hno | made one of them dance around on the floor once.. swapping a bit heavier than designed for. |
| 19:28.11 | hno | distant past far from tablets in GHz speed. |
| 19:28.28 | specing | Why dont they make 5.25" disks? |
| 19:28.35 | specing | imagine the storage on those |
| 19:28.39 | specing | 10T each |
| 19:30.09 | traeak | mechanical stuff has reliability themore it has to move |
| 19:30.20 | traeak | bigger disks probably mean more stress to the heads |
| 19:30.26 | traeak | and they're just too big :-p |
| 19:30.57 | specing | they would be amazing for backups |
| 19:31.33 | specing | (long sequential writes, huuuge capacity, low price) |
| 19:31.46 | traeak | sounds like a tape drive ;-p |
| 19:32.22 | specing | the electronics in the modern drives costs about 25$ and the motor/stepper another 25$ probably |
| 19:32.32 | specing | so the platters are like 50$? |
| 19:33.57 | specing | so the worst case scenario would be 25$ electro + 40$ motors + 500$ for 10T platters |
| 19:34.14 | specing | versus 10*100$ for 10T on normal disks |
| 19:34.26 | specing | datacenters would be all over it in no time :) |
| 19:36.31 | mnemoc | adding plates also increases the failure rate of the drive |
| 19:37.10 | hno | not sure it does compared to stacking a number of drives to reach same capacity. |
| 19:37.59 | specing | even if they failed 125% more often than 3" ones they would still pay off |
| 19:38.13 | mnemoc | if one of the stack fails, you replace that one. if one plate of the mega-disk fails, you have to replace the complete beast |
| 19:38.15 | hno | but the higher the spindle the harder to manage vibrations. |
| 19:38.54 | mnemoc | doesn't sound like a good deal |
| 19:41.09 | hno | building good disk arrays is complex, and is a lot about selecting the right drives for the job. Most desktop drives do not like that environment. |
| 19:43.49 | traeak | could be the size makes for harder manufacture as well |
| 19:44.10 | traeak | shrinking stuff means manufacturing equipment and drive arms have less distnace to move |
| 19:44.27 | traeak | anything angular is punished by arm distance |
| 19:45.43 | specing | yeah but track length is 2*pi*r |
| 19:46.22 | specing | It would be worth it, trust me |
| 19:47.16 | hno | is a bit sad.. my N900 had a violent death the other day. |
| 19:47.54 | specing | Did it implode? explode? |
| 19:48.04 | hno | took a bath. |
| 19:48.58 | hno | water and powered on electronics do not play well together. |
| 19:49.37 | hno | so I urgently need to fins a replacement |
| 19:51.05 | mnemoc | a lumia would look... similar :p |
| 19:51.34 | specing | lol |
| 19:52.02 | specing | hno: Why did you bath your N900? |
| 19:52.02 | libv | mnemoc: n900 is the brick, with a hw keyboard |
| 19:52.24 | traeak | hno: you are fortunate. my n900 had a slow death from crappy microusb |
| 19:52.29 | libv | where the keyboard switch would wear out quickly, and the micro-usb would break off |
| 19:52.32 | mnemoc | ah, yes... confused with the n9 |
| 19:52.49 | hno | specing, you don't want to know the details. It's a messy story. |
| 19:53.19 | libv | still needs to disable serial and other things on his n9 so that it stops blinking as suspiciously |
| 19:54.18 | hno | libv, mine surived quite well until the bath. But yes the usb had started to malfunction a bit. Have not had keyboard switch issues on either of our N900. |
| 19:54.24 | traeak | needs to probably pick a new phone |
| 19:54.48 | libv | hno: i dropped mine when clumsily flipping it open |
| 19:55.04 | libv | i still miss it, it seemed much more practical in many ways compared to the n9 |
| 19:55.34 | libv | if only the n950 had actually been put into the shops |
| 19:57.04 | hno | mine had hit hard floor and streets multiple times without complaining, only a bit of scratches in the paint on the metal around the screen. |
| 19:57.32 | specing | heh, hammers are the only things nokias play well with ;P |
| 19:57.53 | libv | with me it just fell flat and nice, didn't seem that catastrophic, but it never really fully booted again |
| 19:57.59 | mnemoc | loves his gnex |
| 19:58.16 | traeak | i'm sure a 9mm or better would do a good job on a nokia as well |
| 19:58.27 | traeak | gnex? |
| 19:58.39 | mnemoc | galaxy nexus |
| 19:59.47 | mnemoc | and iirc mer supports |
| 19:59.59 | hno | been looking a bit at that one. but no keyboard and it's android.. but at least the android part is fixable. |
| 20:00.35 | libv | about mer... |
| 20:00.40 | traeak | don't care much about hard keyboards |
| 20:00.46 | libv | it's become rather silent around the vivaldi |
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| 20:12.23 | traeak | kde tablet? |
| 20:14.06 | libv | yeah |
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| 21:41.51 | rz2k | anyone tried usb gadgets on a10? g_file_storage seems to work, but g_serial does nothing and g_ether doesnt even compile. |
| 21:49.22 | specing | yeah |
| 21:49.26 | specing | it didnt work |
| 21:49.32 | specing | g_ether compiles though |
| 21:49.56 | specing | I was hoping to get a serial port through... no workie |
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| 22:08.42 | rz2k | g_ether source looks like some didnt push all changes. |
| 22:16.02 | Shivan | i recompiled xserver to disable glx and aiglx and now im missing kbd and mouse modules haha -.- |
| 22:16.58 | Shivan | i think i miss something i never compiled xserver before |
| 22:23.20 | specing | rz2k: It would be cool to have it since I haven't found the rx line yet |
| 22:26.11 | rz2k | s/some/someone/ |
| 22:26.28 | rz2k | yeah, I've used g_ether when I was playing with ingenic boards |
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| 23:26.17 | lundman | :) |
