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| 01:24.11 | *** topic/#arm-netbook is EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/ |
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| 02:34.00 | ManoftheSea | hno, I forgot what I was gonna ask, now. |
| 02:34.08 | ManoftheSea | lkcl: Nice car blog! |
| 02:44.26 | ManoftheSea | hno: it was probably about the passthrough. |
| 02:45.11 | ManoftheSea | is phil in the chat? |
| 02:49.08 | lundman | collins? I dont think so |
| 02:50.27 | RITRedbeard | owned |
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| 03:22.42 | ManoftheSea | hands. |
| 03:22.46 | ManoftheSea | who's owned? |
| 03:23.35 | RITRedbeard | lundman looking for phil collins |
| 03:23.41 | ManoftheSea | who's phil collins? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Collins |
| 03:23.53 | RITRedbeard | or you looking for phil collins |
| 03:39.40 | ManoftheSea | I'm looking for Phil Hands. |
| 03:39.57 | ManoftheSea | To get (regain) access to the EOMA repo. |
| 03:40.09 | ManoftheSea | And I'm going to bed right now. |
| 03:40.13 | ManoftheSea | Midnight here. |
| 05:14.43 | libv | crap. even with an max232 i get nothing but garbage on serial. |
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| 06:13.23 | specing | libv: where? |
| 06:13.42 | libv | mele -> max232 -> pl2032 -> usb |
| 06:13.54 | specing | 0.o you have the same setup as me |
| 06:14.05 | specing | is it 2032 or 2303? |
| 06:14.07 | libv | still the same issue i had last week |
| 06:14.22 | libv | oh, 2303 |
| 06:14.59 | specing | Did you supply 5V to the max232 board? |
| 06:15.01 | libv | i have just ordered a ttl uart -> usb, and another rs232 -> usb from ebay |
| 06:15.10 | libv | it's supposed to be 3v |
| 06:15.28 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Tae-Han master * r6b44f34282e4 /allwinner_a10/orders/bolverk.mdwn: |
| 06:15.37 | specing | libv: max232 is 5V |
| 06:15.47 | specing | atleast if what you have is a MAX232 |
| 06:15.53 | specing | checks the datasheet |
| 06:16.37 | specing | "Operate from Single +5V Power Supply |
| 06:17.31 | libv | max3232ese+ |
| 06:17.42 | specing | aha |
| 06:17.43 | libv | should be able to work off of 3V too according to its datasheet |
| 06:18.55 | specing | do you get 3v3 on the tx rail on the mele? |
| 06:19.55 | libv | i did last week, taking the multimeter to it again |
| 06:20.44 | specing | then use my spamming program and send 0 to it, the rail should read 0 - 0.3V |
| 06:20.53 | specing | *from it |
| 06:21.52 | libv | voltages are all correct, all are ~3.2V above gnd at this point |
| 06:23.20 | libv | i just spent another 15EUR on ebay, will give things another chance when those bits arrive |
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| 06:36.40 | specing | -.- |
| 06:36.53 | specing | libv: did you try sending 0 from mele? |
| 06:36.58 | specing | and measuring? |
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| 06:45.58 | libv | specing: i am seeing some form of characters fly past when things are correctly wired up, and they definitely are plentiful when booting |
| 06:46.07 | libv | and when i type stuff, things happen too |
| 06:46.20 | libv | it's just garbage characters |
| 06:47.53 | libv | but no, i haven't tried it, and tbh, i would rather do something more productive like reducing a 56MB mali memory dump to find out what i am missing in my parsed command stream for a q3a frame |
| 06:48.04 | libv | next week i will give it another go |
| 06:48.12 | libv | when the new bits have arrived |
| 06:49.11 | specing | ok |
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| 07:27.01 | Triffid_Hunter | libv: those pl2303s are crap, get an ftdi |
| 07:35.23 | libv | Triffid_Hunter: it worked reliably for a year and a half, and still happily works on my n9 |
| 07:38.19 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Dmitry master * rd7649873390a /allwinner_a10/orders/singularity.mdwn: |
| 07:43.27 | specing | Triffid_Hunter: pl2303 has worked for me for the past 5 years |
| 07:44.00 | specing | they sure cant go over ~115200 but they work |
| 07:46.01 | specing | Im going to build myself a FT232H (serial+JTAG+...) board when I start doing os-less ARM dev |
| 07:49.39 | RaYmAn | the pl2303/cp2303 chips are awesome for what they provide - cheap as hell, works for regular 115.2k serial. It's nice not having to care that much if you accidentally fry the ttl-USB chip ;) |
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| 09:33.04 | mnemoc | hno: please page me when you have a minute to talk about memory info. It's too much new knowledge for me :( .... in my mele the fixup is currently receiving a meminfo with zero banks, and an atag of size 0x20000000 at 0x40000000. their hack shrinks at to 0x1c000000 |
| 09:34.37 | mnemoc | somehow I was expecting the meminfo to come prepopulated |
| 09:35.43 | mnemoc | and have no clue how the kernel is supposed to know to isolate those 64M from the first bank when going hack-less |
| 09:41.33 | mnemoc | hno: should I remove the 64M from the first ATAG_MEM or just assume magic(tm) will solve it? |
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| 10:10.34 | RaYmAn | so, anyone considered the ouya as a replacement mele type thing? Though, not sure exactly how hackable it is |
| 10:13.24 | mnemoc | it's tegra... isn't it? :( |
| 10:15.33 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 10:16.03 | RaYmAn | linux support is still far better than a10 ;) |
| 10:16.25 | RaYmAn | not open source graphics stuff though |
| 10:16.49 | mnemoc | :) |
| 10:18.20 | mnemoc | considering the nightmare it was for you to get a partially working adam/ics *with* notion ink support I wouldn't consider any tegra device hack friendly |
| 10:19.39 | mnemoc | of course they have the advantage of a larger head-desking^Whacker community and sexier devices |
| 10:20.06 | RaYmAn | tbh, the biggest issue with adam was just how fucked up nvidias 2.6.32 framework was |
| 10:20.33 | RaYmAn | from what I've heard from other devices developers, most simply dumped 2.6.32 and reimplemented eveyrthing from scratch for 2.6.36 |
| 10:20.43 | RaYmAn | given we couldn't do that, it was a huuuge undertaking :P |
| 10:20.59 | RaYmAn | now that we have 2.6.39 and 3.1 kernels, it's *much* easier. They actually use standard interfaces now :P |
| 10:21.06 | mnemoc | :D |
| 10:21.39 | mnemoc | wants JB/3.1 on his adam! |
| 10:21.53 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 10:21.57 | RaYmAn | it's easy |
| 10:22.14 | RaYmAn | we're almost done with JB on TF201 |
| 10:22.50 | mnemoc | adam's cm9/b5 is unsuably slow (unless you are playing 3d games, which ain't my business) |
| 10:23.05 | RaYmAn | weird |
| 10:23.16 | RaYmAn | Tbh, I've mostly been involved in kernel side |
| 10:23.44 | RaYmAn | it's not one of the versions where the PMU spams IRQ's sufficiently to slow down system, is it? :P |
| 10:24.37 | mnemoc | haven't researched... I only use it to read ebooks... but any task involving nand access puts it on it's knies |
| 10:24.55 | mnemoc | all processes halt |
| 10:25.07 | RaYmAn | weird, afaik there should be no changes to nand in any recent versions |
| 10:25.27 | RaYmAn | but anyways, porting to 3.1 is fairly trivial |
| 10:25.54 | mnemoc | go go go :) |
| 10:26.08 | RaYmAn | We tried to keep the mods to non-board files as low as possible, so you can mostly just copy board-adam* across, edit makefiles and get boot |
| 10:26.41 | RaYmAn | then switch out android gralloc/hwcomposer with updates ones |
| 10:29.05 | mnemoc | great! then let others take care of the transformer and bless the zombie adam community with a JB/3.1 :) |
| 10:29.15 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 10:29.44 | RaYmAn | It's more fun to work on TFP :P |
| 10:29.52 | mnemoc | :( |
| 10:29.56 | RaYmAn | With it's multiple viewing angles and stuff |
| 10:29.56 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 10:30.12 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 10:30.55 | mnemoc | it's sad how NI wasted their momentum |
| 10:31.15 | mnemoc | and it's community |
| 10:31.49 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 10:32.03 | RaYmAn | They are still alive though |
| 10:32.04 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 10:32.23 | mnemoc | doing what? |
| 10:32.33 | mnemoc | or just... alive? |
| 10:32.40 | RaYmAn | working on adam2 :P |
| 10:33.19 | mnemoc | their adam2 blog is even more full of BS than their original blog :< .... and also stalled |
| 10:33.30 | RaYmAn | yeah, they stopped posting for a bit |
| 10:33.39 | RaYmAn | but they are still working on it. |
| 10:35.41 | RaYmAn | they are keeping things "secret" now, so they can actually show up with a working product, lol |
| 10:35.52 | mnemoc | :D |
| 10:36.50 | RaYmAn | I think they've learnt from their mistakes ;) |
| 10:36.58 | RaYmAn | More stuff open source from day1 and such, lol |
| 10:37.11 | mnemoc | yeah, very |
| 10:37.34 | lundman | :) |
| 10:38.56 | lundman | cd |
| 10:41.02 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: tbh, that ouya is almost same price as mele and quadcore :P hehe. But yeah, I dunno how open it actually is |
| 10:42.05 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: afaik the ouya still isn't anything. the mele is here ;-) |
| 10:42.07 | rm | I read "Tegra" and close the browser tab |
| 10:42.18 | rm | so I don't even know, e.g. does it even have SATA? |
| 10:42.25 | rm | Ethernet? |
| 10:42.33 | rm | how much RAM, etc |
| 10:42.38 | RaYmAn | sata is unlikely |
| 10:42.46 | RaYmAn | ram etc is specified on site. |
| 10:42.55 | rm | iow, Mele is still massively more attractive |
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| 10:43.16 | rm | the only thing I see going for Ouya, is supposedly a more powerful GPU |
| 10:43.32 | RaYmAn | and a much more powerful cpu? :) |
| 10:43.33 | RaYmAn | but yeah |
| 10:44.24 | RaYmAn | iirc, it's 1gb ram, 8gb flash, they are looking at adding ethernet |
| 10:47.12 | rm | But does it run GNU/Linux? (c) :) |
| 10:47.25 | mnemoc | but as there is no ouya yet, we have time to see what other A9 alternatives come out |
| 10:48.01 | RaYmAn | rm: that's the question. There are relatively decent X11/OpenGL ES drivers available, even in hardfp versions, but it depends on how open it is |
| 10:48.03 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: true |
| 10:48.20 | RaYmAn | Cortex A15 stuff next year :] |
| 10:48.35 | mnemoc | yeah |
| 10:48.51 | mnemoc | no rush in trashing more money :p |
| 10:49.02 | RaYmAn | indeed |
| 10:49.08 | RaYmAn | I'm kind of battling FOMO ;) |
| 10:49.14 | RaYmAn | (fear of missing out) |
| 10:49.24 | mnemoc | :) |
| 10:49.24 | rm | hmmmm |
| 10:49.35 | rm | so it doesn't even have ethernet yet |
| 10:49.52 | RaYmAn | but otoh, I already have one tegra3 device with another on the way, so I really shouldn't buy anymore stuff liek that, lol |
| 10:50.24 | RaYmAn | It's depressing to realize I have three tegra2 devices, two tegra3 devices, and various others :/ |
| 10:53.44 | lundman | might consider that odroid-x.. might work out better than a10 |
| 10:57.20 | rm | define work out and define better :p |
| 10:58.30 | lundman | well, work out better for me I suppose. :) |
| 10:58.43 | lundman | mele does not do any audio, so I cant use it for mediaplayer |
| 10:59.14 | mnemoc | it does for me... |
| 10:59.51 | rm | hmmm, never tried audio on Mele yet |
| 11:00.05 | lundman | can do stereo to tv, but plug it into amp and it stutters bad |
| 11:00.12 | lundman | and cant go more than stereo |
| 11:00.13 | rm | RCA? |
| 11:00.19 | lundman | the spif doesnt turn on |
| 11:00.29 | lundman | not tried rca, want > 2 ch |
| 11:00.33 | mnemoc | I have one mele a1000 taken apart on my desk, but another with Tom's ICS on the living room connected to the tv playing music videos almost all day... |
| 11:00.51 | mnemoc | ok, I use hdmi |
| 11:01.10 | lundman | great, play a movie with good sound |
| 11:01.18 | lundman | 5.1 or something |
| 11:01.20 | rm | btw, is that all on Android? |
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| 11:01.25 | lundman | all android |
| 11:01.48 | lundman | and I dont mean play a movie with 5.1, and listen on a stereo tv. connected to any avr |
| 11:02.59 | rm | I am surprised it would have problems on Android |
| 11:03.30 | rm | but for my uses I'll be happy enough if I get 2ch over RCA (in Debian) |
| 11:03.32 | mnemoc | they seem to have removed fancy sound decoders from the official image because of licensing problems |
| 11:03.40 | mnemoc | but that doesn't mean "it doesn't do sound" |
| 11:03.50 | hackandfab | hello all, I'm new here, do you have a FAQ? |
| 11:03.50 | lundman | decoding means going to 2ch |
| 11:04.01 | lundman | it should do passthrough, both HDMI and spdif |
| 11:04.05 | lundman | neither works |
| 11:04.58 | rm | hackandfab, check out http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ |
| 11:05.07 | rm | depends on what you have and/or want to accomplish |
| 11:06.54 | hackandfab | @rm, ok thx, I'm reading it (I want to run desktop ubuntu 12.04 on a mele2000) |
| 11:07.33 | mnemoc | cnxsoft has a very simple script for that |
| 11:07.34 | rm | well, that's kind of easy I guess http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/mele_ubuntu_image/ |
| 11:07.48 | rm | there's a number of various Ubuntu images and scripts to create them... |
| 11:10.11 | hackandfab | thx to all, I've reading for some hours... |
| 11:11.19 | mnemoc | aaaarg... I finally find a 2.5 disk to test the sata on my mele and it ends up been ntfs :< |
| 11:11.35 | lundman | akes 10s to change? |
| 11:14.04 | mnemoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.06 | mnemoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.37 | Triffid_Hunter | that's pretty slow :/ |
| 11:14.39 | mnemoc | while my class 10 sd card is giving: |
| 11:14.40 | mnemoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.49 | mnemoc | yes |
| 11:15.11 | Triffid_Hunter | mnemoc: is that using mele's image or the ubuntu image or something else? |
| 11:15.29 | mnemoc | ubuntu+linux 3.4.4 |
| 11:16.39 | Triffid_Hunter | damn.. even recent kernels still slow, that's unfun :/ |
| 11:16.40 | mnemoc | and it's a pretty old disk... will need to compare with 3.0.36 |
| 11:17.06 | Triffid_Hunter | I'm looking forward to when working homebrew kernels aren't so hairy |
| 11:18.19 | mnemoc | but ondemand has my cpu running at 60MHz :p |
| 11:18.29 | mnemoc | switching to performance |
| 11:19.43 | mnemoc | much better :) |
| 11:19.55 | mnemoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.17 | mnemoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.38 | Triffid_Hunter | 60 is decent, don't think the disk in my laptop is that quick |
| 11:20.39 | mnemoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.55 | RaYmAn | what kind of cpu usage are you getting? |
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| 11:23.40 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: htop claimed it went from 2% to 58% during `hdparm -tv /dev/sda1` |
| 11:23.49 | mnemoc | but it frozen sightly |
| 11:24.15 | RaYmAn | It's not much use if it uses 60% of the cpu during heavy IO, lol |
| 11:24.51 | mnemoc | Timing cached reads: 628 MB in 2.00 seconds = 313.56 MB/sec spiked under 40% |
| 11:26.04 | mnemoc | tries to remember the name of a less fancy tool to monitor cpu usage |
| 11:26.20 | mnemoc | dstat |
| 11:28.51 | mnemoc | better. http://dpaste.com/769787/ first spike was cached (319.22 MB/sec), second buffered (65.29 MB/sec) |
| 11:30.30 | mnemoc | traeak: next time you check hdparm in your mele, please test using performance governor |
| 11:30.32 | lundman | I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who got passthrough to work |
| 11:35.28 | mnemoc | lundman: try the mailing list |
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| 12:23.50 | Shivan | u-boot can boot from sata? |
| 12:24.00 | lundman | no |
| 12:24.11 | lundman | unless someone added it |
| 12:27.15 | mnemoc | we have two main uboot branched. one maintained by hno which is (still) mmc only, and another unmaintained which is nand-only |
| 12:27.59 | mnemoc | but after loading the uImage and script.bin from one of those you can root=/dev/sda<n> |
| 12:30.03 | Shivan | mmm i wonder if it can be intercepted to make a dual boot system whiout having to plug in/out the sd |
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| 12:48.01 | lundman | I put nand into mmc one, just for fun |
| 12:48.23 | lundman | oh yeah, to boot android from sd |
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| 13:11.43 | Shivan | As today, hardware gles2 is working on A10? |
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| 13:48.35 | hno | mnemoc, do we have the PIO guide for A13? |
| 13:50.31 | mnemoc | hno: the only doc about the a13 we have is the 60p micro datasheet :< ... and code |
| 13:50.48 | mnemoc | the SDK didn't have any documentation |
| 13:51.38 | mnemoc | https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-xbPiTMurpSRU41aVRlcXlqdlU <-- pdf |
| 13:51.57 | mnemoc | well... the sdk didn't even have mach-sun5i code |
| 13:53.09 | mnemoc | that pdf has the pin function selectors |
| 13:53.56 | mnemoc | but it's incomplete, the sample script.fex files reference highter than 3 function selectors |
| 13:56.45 | rm | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/12/frontier-ft103-21-5-android-smartdisplay/ |
| 13:56.48 | rm | really? |
| 13:57.18 | rm | because holding arms in midair to type feels so comfortable and natural |
| 13:59.16 | Turl | hahaha |
| 13:59.24 | Turl | you'd probably use a bluetooth keyboard with that |
| 14:00.25 | mnemoc | they didn't receive the memo about how awful is to type over glass |
| 14:03.32 | mnemoc | but take android out and add a real keyboard/mouse, nice |
| 14:06.08 | mnemoc | a 24" EOMA68 all-in-one...ish would be nice :) |
| 14:07.15 | rm | I am not sure touch screen is an useful input device to have on a desktop monitor |
| 14:08.09 | rm | and if we take that it isn't, then there's not much difference between this, and a random monitor, with any of the MK802-alikes popped in |
| 14:08.56 | Shivan | Im tired of seeing Android on every non-mobile arm thing... |
| 14:09.34 | Shivan | and the worst part is... its gona get worse with W8 |
| 14:10.18 | Shivan | They just ship those things with a Linux distro, not android |
| 14:11.02 | mnemoc | android sells, linux doesn't :< |
| 14:12.19 | hno | mnemoc, the "MultiX" headers have no direct relation to the PIO selector numbers. It just lists up to 4 functions available on the pin. |
| 14:12.23 | Shivan | Thats because someone trought it was a good idea not to integrate Android apps intro linux |
| 14:13.19 | mnemoc | hno: ah, ok, I assumed they were 1:1 |
| 14:14.05 | mnemoc | Shivan: dalvik is open source... and they have done that on commercial platforms... unfortunatelly I haven't see the same for x11 yet |
| 14:16.53 | Shivan | yeah but it gets me that something like Wine even exist, and there is not a full working dalvik subsystem for linux |
| 14:18.10 | Shivan | that and the lack of interest of the companys that just put Android on everything... |
| 14:21.01 | hno | mnemoc, no, but 0 = input 1 = output, 2..7 different functions. |
| 14:21.45 | hno | but I would suspect there to be a lot similarity with A10. It's tje same design just trimmed down a bit. |
| 14:21.52 | hno | s/tje/the/ |
| 14:24.31 | L84Supper | http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/Low-End-Google-Nexus-7-Carries-$157-BOM-Teardown-Reveals.aspx |
| 14:26.21 | L84Supper | according to IHS the Tegra 3 = $21 and the omap4430 =$13.50 |
| 14:33.47 | traeak | tegra3 is quad, the 4430 ? |
| 14:34.31 | traeak | rm: touchscreen on desktop monitor would be kind of silly considering the screen is at arm's length |
| 14:35.17 | L84Supper | http://www.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12843&contentId=53243 |
| 14:35.27 | L84Supper | OMAP™ 4 Platform : OMAP4430/OMAP4460 |
| 14:36.33 | traeak | 199 for nexus then ? |
| 14:36.48 | L84Supper | when TI released the 4430 and the pandaboard they said in 6 months to 1 year that parts would be available through distis and not direct |
| 14:37.03 | traeak | yuk powervr |
| 14:37.09 | L84Supper | it's 1+ years and still no parts available through distis |
| 14:38.27 | Turl | rm x86 AIOs have touchscreens |
| 14:38.47 | Turl | on my experience they resemble resistive screens more, and are rather crap to use |
| 14:39.12 | Turl | I'm unsure on what's the actual touch technology in use |
| 14:40.25 | traeak | doesn't it bother the crap out of you when people touch your screen? |
| 14:40.40 | traeak | fingerprints, etc on workstation screen is really really bad |
| 14:42.32 | Turl | I don't notice that kind of stuff |
| 14:42.52 | Turl | the only time I notice it is when I clean my screen while the PC is on |
| 14:43.13 | rm | I suppose with touch screens it will be natural that they're all in fingerprints |
| 14:43.14 | hno | traeak, you need automatic winshield wipers on the screen. |
| 14:43.16 | rm | so you won't notice |
| 14:43.20 | Turl | then I'm like 'holy crap it was dirty, the screen looks like a new 4K monitor now' |
| 14:43.38 | rm | with pristine non-touchscreens, of course a single fingerprint of an annoying person who just came by, stands out... |
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| 14:43.59 | Turl | rm I use a non-touchscreen 16" laptop |
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| 15:04.23 | L84Supper | anyone hear if the secure boot got cracked yet for the TI omap44xx? or maybe they just worked around it |
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| 16:04.36 | Shivan | what is the drm.h file that is requiered to compile mali driver? i dont remember part of what it is... wrhombus wiki says only ump includes are needed but the driver also ask for several drm*.h files in usr/include |
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| 16:15.32 | mnemoc | Shivan: afaik it's from mali's DDK, which is NDA'ed |
| 16:17.21 | Shivan | But i was able to compile them with another distro before wiping the sd... strange... |
| 16:19.55 | hno | drm/drm.h is a standard kernel include file. |
| 16:20.37 | hno | should be installed by default if you have C/C++ development support installed (usually kernel-headers or similar package). |
| 16:21.06 | hno | And also found in the kernel includes. |
| 16:22.00 | mnemoc | scratches his head.... .oO(which was the header from the DDK hipboi had to share?)o |
| 16:24.09 | hno | UMP? |
| 16:24.56 | mnemoc | possible... but I had the idea it was something *dr[mi]* |
| 16:25.01 | mnemoc | hno: did you see my question about meminfo this morning? |
| 16:26.11 | hno | no |
| 16:26.25 | hno | can you repeat it? |
| 16:27.14 | mnemoc | basically how do we deal with the 64M removed by fixup from bank 0 |
| 16:28.06 | mnemoc | should I mangle the first ATAG_MEM, or trust "magic" will happen without intervention |
| 16:28.07 | hno | Peek at other MALI implementations how they reserve the shared memory? |
| 16:28.14 | mnemoc | ok |
| 16:28.41 | mnemoc | wasn't sure the owner of those 64M |
| 16:29.45 | mnemoc | and another question, do you know if their bootloader passes ATAG_MEM? if they don't it would be a single way to have a fallback |
| 16:29.54 | mnemoc | simple* |
| 16:30.37 | mnemoc | will probably need to boot a debugging kernel from nand and see.. |
| 16:33.51 | hno | have not looked at what the allwinner boot loader passes to a kernel. The mele chainloads u-boot. |
| 16:34.52 | mnemoc | in which case I will receive dummy ATAG_MEM, right? |
| 16:35.13 | mnemoc | and so, no fallback possible :< |
| 16:35.16 | mnemoc | meh |
| 16:37.40 | hno | chainloded u-boot gives a dummy memory information atag yes. |
| 16:38.03 | hno | but easily fixed to build proper memory info. |
| 16:42.57 | mnemoc | CONFIG_SUNXI_IGNORE_ATAG_MEM default n ? |
| 16:51.11 | hno | Proposed config for disabling the override? |
| 16:51.57 | mnemoc | yes |
| 16:52.19 | mnemoc | if someone wants to use allwinner's broken bootloader can enable that... |
| 16:57.15 | hno | Or just upload a fixed u-boot next to the kernel. |
| 16:58.12 | mnemoc | meaning you'll fix the nand branch? :) |
| 17:01.31 | hno | me or someone with a 1G system. |
| 17:03.01 | hno | regarding MALI DDK, the A10 SDK MALI binary do include a bunch of headers: http://fpaste.org/nIE2/ |
| 17:10.31 | hno | Mix of SGI Open Source licensed files and the more important ones "This confidential and proprietary software may be used only as authorised by a licensing agreement from ARM Limited" |
| 17:11.08 | hno | No idea what that licensing agreement says |
| 17:11.50 | mnemoc | we received the binaries from allwinner... |
| 17:12.09 | mnemoc | hopefully one day linaro will convise ARM of stopping the BS |
| 17:12.43 | mnemoc | convince* |
| 17:13.27 | mnemoc | hno: http://dpaste.com/769892/plain/ ? |
| 17:22.30 | mnemoc | still need to research about how others deal with those 64M |
| 17:26.25 | hno | A normal reservation should work fine I think, like done for VE etc. |
| 17:28.36 | mnemoc | much better than |
| 17:30.13 | mnemoc | then* |
| 17:33.09 | mnemoc | http://www.myefox.com/android-mk802-mini-pc-android4-0-minipc-mk802-p-329269 .... it's starting to reach tempting levels |
| 17:33.10 | hno | also iirc the address is hardcoded in the MALI driver. |
| 17:33.46 | mnemoc | I was wondering about A10 systems with less than 512 |
| 17:33.55 | hno | if I had an HDMI display... |
| 17:34.46 | hno | have not seen any with 256M. |
| 17:36.20 | hno | probably because ~128 IS AVAILABLE THEN. |
| 17:36.32 | hno | releases caps-lock |
| 17:41.04 | xxiao | anybody is able to replace u-boot on minipc |
| 17:41.28 | specing | mnemoc: haha, unit price rises the more units you buy ;P |
| 17:43.36 | mnemoc | specing: haha... missed that detail |
| 17:44.20 | mnemoc | hno: a good thing of having mali in-tree is that we will be able to release those 64M when mali is not enabled ;-) |
| 17:46.00 | hno | mnemoc, and related it means anyone who disables mali for building out of tree gets seriously burnt |
| 17:49.55 | mnemoc | hno: meh |
| 18:03.00 | rm | mnemoc, $60.99-$5 on Aliexpress today |
| 18:11.29 | mnemoc | wants a mele with 1GB :( |
| 18:11.51 | hno | tempting.. if we knew UART0 was accessible without too much effort without the need for sd breakout. |
| 18:12.12 | hno | is still dependent on SD. |
| 18:12.54 | mnemoc | it has an uart directly next to the soc |
| 18:13.26 | mnemoc | soldering required, but that isn't a problem for you |
| 18:14.17 | mnemoc | hipboi_: please push mele for a 1GB model.... that could really be used as desktop |
| 18:16.27 | DonkeyHotei | does he have sway with mele? |
| 18:17.38 | mnemoc | he is a direct buyer... |
| 18:18.22 | mnemoc | meaning he has access to sales people inside mele.cn |
| 18:23.13 | DonkeyHotei | but how much power do they have over that? |
| 18:23.39 | hno | mnemoc, yes it should be there, but I have not seen anyone confirming RX works. |
| 18:24.26 | mnemoc | i bet it's just an incomplete script.bin |
| 18:24.34 | hno | DonkeyHotei, none. |
| 18:24.58 | DonkeyHotei | thought so |
| 18:25.42 | hno | And I do doubt the next 1GB Mele "livingroom PC" will be A10 based. |
| 18:25.45 | mnemoc | more than us |
| 18:26.26 | DonkeyHotei | unless it's A15 |
| 18:26.56 | Shivan | probably the am dual core |
| 18:26.57 | mnemoc | as in sun6i or cortex-a15? |
| 18:27.11 | specing | hno: heh, scope |
| 18:27.12 | DonkeyHotei | sun6i |
| 18:27.51 | traeak | market's moving too fast, eh? |
| 18:27.55 | Shivan | i dont think there is a chance for a mali t605 on next allwinner no? |
| 18:28.01 | DonkeyHotei | traeak: always |
| 18:28.14 | specing | Shivan: there is |
| 18:28.30 | specing | Shivan: Im sure there will be on a quad-core model |
| 18:29.00 | Shivan | im hope so... full OpenGL and OpenCL support its a dream |
| 18:29.08 | Shivan | IF WORKS |
| 18:29.40 | Shivan | i still cant make es2 to work for my mali400 -.- |
| 18:41.32 | rzk | cool, on low-power a10 throws kernel panic then reboots to boot1 for a picture of low-battery. i thought it will just hang hard till next manual boot. |
| 18:43.42 | rzk | also, hv2605 appears to be broken, its a capacitive buttons driver, throws infinite amount of "incomplete xfer (0x28)" to log. |
| 18:48.19 | mnemoc | patches VERY welcomed :) |
| 18:49.26 | mnemoc | but a ticket is a good first step |
| 18:53.34 | hno | rzk, you have matching hardware for hv2605? |
| 18:54.50 | hno | mnemoc, actually, I retract that. Platform driver registration and memory reservation need to go hand in hand, separate from the MALI driver itself. |
| 18:55.46 | mnemoc | hno: please rephrase |
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| 18:56.25 | mnemoc | hno: I fail to understand that sentence :< |
| 18:56.44 | hno | mnemoc, see arch/arm/mach-sun4i/devices.c |
| 18:57.43 | mnemoc | the drm device? |
| 18:58.01 | rzk | seems so, hv2605 probe detects it. right after probe done xfer stuff happens. I'll check with android init.rc. I've loaded other drivers for keyboards/keypads (sun4i-ts, sun4i-keyboard, sun4i-keypad) as well and tested for input at all /dev/input/eventX, only ft5x_ts sends data, but I think its just junk data because capacitive panels are close to each other. |
| 18:58.59 | mnemoc | hno: that was added by us to allow the x11 driver to work |
| 19:00.06 | hno | Hm... need to double check then. |
| 19:04.39 | mnemoc | my guts tell me it's a bad idea to try to keep mali decoupled from the kernel tree if we want proper support... but... |
| 19:05.10 | mnemoc | android doesn't need the drm device |
| 19:05.15 | mnemoc | only x11 |
| 19:09.06 | mnemoc | but my first priority currently is to finish cleaning up plat-sunxi's sysconfig in 3.4 |
| 19:09.13 | mnemoc | sys_config* |
| 19:09.19 | hno | There really should be a platform_device detailing the memory reservation to the MALI driver. But there isn't. |
| 19:09.38 | hno | It's not our job to fix the MALI driver. Only minimally working around it. |
| 19:10.21 | mnemoc | sure, only the hooking |
| 19:10.43 | mnemoc | no intention in messing inside the driver beside the "platform.c" file |
| 19:11.13 | mnemoc | drivers/gpu/mali/mali/platform/mali400-pmu/mali_platform.c |
| 19:12.00 | mnemoc | which smells pretty incomplete anyway |
| 19:12.26 | rzk | did you know that FES has a nice ASCII logo inside? :3 |
| 19:12.42 | mnemoc | uh |
| 19:12.52 | rzk | says "Efex" and some chinese name |
| 19:14.37 | mnemoc | the sata disk I connected to the mele sounds like a cricket... |
| 19:15.42 | traeak | what kind of speeds you getting ? |
| 19:15.44 | hno | Right, that mali_platform is mostly a dummy, only saved by pm/.. "by accident" doing the magics needed to shut down MALI on suspend by shutting down all clocks leaving MALI hanging in mid air. |
| 19:16.12 | traeak | mnemoc: run hdparm? :-p |
| 19:16.30 | hno | rzk, which FES? The main (bigger) one? |
| 19:16.30 | mnemoc | traeak: at 1GHz, ~60MB/s ... and sightly over ~300MB/s cached |
| 19:16.39 | mnemoc | at 60MHz around 18MB/s |
| 19:16.48 | traeak | mnemoc: what's the chance i somehow "broke" my mele ? |
| 19:16.57 | traeak | 60mhz? is there some setting i'm missing? |
| 19:17.03 | traeak | ahhhh |
| 19:17.08 | mnemoc | traeak: ondemand governator ;-) |
| 19:17.40 | mnemoc | traeak: test using "performance" |
| 19:17.52 | traeak | yeah crap..lets try to figure out how to chnage that again :-p |
| 19:18.18 | mnemoc | $ find /sys | grep gover |
| 19:18.19 | mnemoc | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 19:18.19 | mnemoc | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 19:18.22 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:18.43 | traeak | nah |
| 19:18.47 | traeak | sudo cpufreq-set -g performance |
| 19:19.04 | hno | perfers /sys |
| 19:19.14 | hno | s/per/pre/ |
| 19:19.25 | traeak | i can't seem to remember all the stuff in /sys past a copule of levels |
| 19:19.37 | traeak | mnemoc: stupid me, forgetting about the cpu clocking |
| 19:20.01 | traeak | this drive is at ~47mb/s |
| 19:20.14 | traeak | consistent with this drive that came wth the toshiba laptop....a total POS |
| 19:20.21 | traeak | both the laptop and the drive |
| 19:20.25 | rzk | hno: that FES that starts with LiveSuit flashing |
| 19:20.53 | mnemoc | traeak: then sata is working "as expected" now? |
| 19:21.16 | rzk | thats how I got that ASCII image, forgot to turn serial off when flashing. |
| 19:21.24 | traeak | mnemoc: yeah....i guess the ondemand should probably jump the cpu clocking when the sata is active |
| 19:21.47 | traeak | something the x86 guys never had to bother with |
| 19:22.21 | mnemoc | but we aren't in the governator tweaking business... |
| 19:22.37 | traeak | also considering any x86 processor i've played with has definitley less than 10 settings and generally less than 5 |
| 19:23.33 | specing | the A10 has like 30 settings |
| 19:24.11 | traeak | nehalem i7 has 7 or 8, older atom has '2', c2q xeon has '2' |
| 19:24.40 | specing | can those intels go below 200 MHz? |
| 19:24.47 | specing | Mine cant go below 800MHz |
| 19:25.12 | mnemoc | the A10 can go down to 30MHz... but only used on standby afaik |
| 19:26.07 | specing | My A10 has been at 60MHz for over a day now and the BGA is still unexplainably hot |
| 19:26.07 | traeak | seems to transition relatively smoothly |
| 19:26.47 | traeak | since i'mlazy what's the transistor size on the a10 ? |
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| 19:40.23 | mnemoc | wee... my gnexus got an update.... and failed :< |
| 19:55.28 | Turl | mnemoc: 4.1 OTA? :o |
| 19:56.58 | mnemoc | yes, JRN84D -> JRO03C |
| 19:57.20 | mnemoc | but something it didn't like after rebooting |
| 19:57.33 | mnemoc | it's pretty annoying they only show a dead robot |
| 19:57.52 | mnemoc | and no reasons or a .zip to try manually |
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| 20:10.51 | mnemoc | c'est la vie... rom manager time |
| 20:12.52 | Turl | installed it now |
| 20:12.57 | Turl | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1764536 for anyone interested :) |
| 20:13.23 | Turl | mnemoc: I flashed with CWM, seems to be fine |
| 20:13.30 | Turl | I had the proper radio too, and stock recovery |
| 20:15.33 | mnemoc | I wanted OTA :'( |
| 20:15.43 | Turl | that's the ota zip file :) |
| 20:15.49 | mnemoc | it's so exciting to see the notification |
| 20:15.55 | Turl | haha :P |
| 20:16.11 | Turl | you can always flash an ancient release and do all the OTA updates |
| 20:16.18 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:16.30 | Turl | FuuFU |
| 20:16.43 | Turl | scumbag google doesn't support spanish on google now search thingy |
| 20:22.25 | traeak | woah xda forums redo |
| 20:33.09 | tallnerd1985 | I love JB, so smooth |
| 20:59.43 | ManoftheSea | hullo. |
| 21:08.50 | mnemoc | steev: ping |
| 21:19.13 | steev | pong |
| 21:20.56 | mnemoc | steev: /q ? |
| 21:21.12 | steev | sure, you can always just /q me |
| 21:21.16 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:21.20 | steev | as long as you're a registered user! |
| 21:21.45 | steev | actually, i turned off the requirement since i'm a gentoo dev and users with issues don't always register |
| 21:31.01 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:36.29 | Turl | mnemoc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1088790/ |
| 21:36.35 | Turl | kernel fail? :| |
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| 21:55.36 | mnemoc | Turl: check your script.bin is not corrupted |
| 21:56.22 | mnemoc | [ 0.060000] [<c0332280>] (usb_add_hcd+0x24/0x6bc) from [<c055f048>] (sw_hcd_init_controller.constprop.11+0x38c/0x468) |
| 21:56.34 | mnemoc | ^--- that might be missing an string |
| 21:56.47 | mnemoc | or it's corrupt |
| 21:56.58 | mnemoc | (not \0'ed) |
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| 21:58.23 | mnemoc | Turl: if script.bin is not corrupt. can you reproduce it? how? |
| 22:04.57 | Turl | mnemoc: boot JB :P |
| 22:05.54 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 22:06.19 | RaYmAn | Turl: we had a similar issue with ICS on tf201 kinda. Basically init.device.usb.rc setting wrong values that caused funky crashes |
| 22:06.40 | Turl | but I'm using the same stuff on ICS :| |
| 22:06.44 | Turl | and same tree :P |
| 22:07.12 | Turl | I restored my ICS boot image and it didn't crash |
| 22:07.23 | RaYmAn | same exact init.<dev>.usb.rc? |
| 22:08.51 | mnemoc | Turl: ouch |
| 22:09.14 | Turl | RaYmAn: ya |
| 22:09.28 | mnemoc | 3.0? |
| 22:09.31 | Turl | mnemoc: ya |
| 22:10.03 | Turl | maybe it's a toolchain thing? |
| 22:10.20 | mnemoc | nah. check usb_add_hcd+0x24 |
| 22:10.20 | RaYmAn | not using same kernel then? :P |
| 22:10.39 | Turl | RaYmAn: same kernel *tree* :P |
| 22:10.43 | Turl | both built inline |
| 22:10.49 | RaYmAn | Turl: try prebuilt from ics? |
| 22:11.03 | Turl | I tried boot.img from a nandroid |
| 22:11.15 | Turl | and it 'boots' (android is crash galore tho, probably due to mismatching init) |
| 22:11.25 | RaYmAn | yeah, just zImage. :P |
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| 22:21.07 | Turl | RaYmAn: old zImage + new ramdisk appears to work |
| 22:21.14 | Turl | but it's still crash galore :| |
| 22:21.40 | RaYmAn | but diff crash? lol |
| 22:22.17 | Turl | RaYmAn: yeah the kernel doesn't crash if I use the old one |
| 22:22.24 | Turl | so it must be some toolchain thing :| |
| 22:22.34 | Turl | RaYmAn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1088875/ <- android crashes, still as weird |
| 22:23.17 | RaYmAn | is CM10 even in a functional state yet? |
| 22:23.40 | Turl | yeah |
| 22:24.07 | Turl | it's pretty much aosp :P |
| 22:24.14 | mnemoc | 0xdeadbaad |
| 22:24.28 | rzk | mp3 stream in smplayer + htop uses 100% cpu on A10 http://imgur.com/CJ5N6 :/ |
| 22:24.47 | traeak | no dsp acceleration? |
| 22:25.02 | RaYmAn | Turl: missing/broken audio lib? that always cause fun issues |
| 22:25.15 | Turl | I'm using the ICS one |
| 22:25.19 | Turl | (sauce) |
| 22:25.25 | rzk | traeak: smplayer doesnt know of one, for sure. |
| 22:25.32 | RaYmAn | are you sure you are? :P |
| 22:25.44 | RaYmAn | E/AudioFlinger( 79): int android::load_audio_interface(char const*, audio_hw_device_t**) wrong audio hw device version 0000 |
| 22:25.47 | RaYmAn | I/AudioFlinger( 79): loadHwModule() error -22 loading module primary |
| 22:25.48 | RaYmAn | well, I guess you are |
| 22:25.49 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 22:27.59 | Turl | RaYmAn: E/JNIHelp ( 1285): Native registration unable to find class 'android/media/videoeditor/VideoEditorProfile', aborting |
| 22:28.22 | RaYmAn | I was kind of ignoring that, didn't look important compartively |
| 22:30.28 | Turl | mnemoc: btw, any news from hipboi re. the new mali libs? |
| 22:35.42 | mnemoc | nothing |
| 22:39.48 | mnemoc | rzk: get cedarx support into libva ;-) |
| 22:39.55 | lundman | others also fighting audio |
| 22:41.25 | traeak | http://altatac.store.buy.com/p/ematic-hd-eglide-steal-7-capacitive-touchscreen-android-4-0-1ghz/230947276.html |
| 22:41.38 | traeak | another 7" tablet, this time 89usd with 1GB ram |
| 22:41.43 | traeak | can't say much else abot it though |
| 22:43.38 | hno | traeak, does not look like an A10 device. |
| 22:44.11 | hno | Turl, why is new mali libs needed? |
| 22:44.30 | traeak | hno: but at/near that price point |
| 22:45.00 | hno | Don' |
| 22:45.26 | hno | Don't really care about the price point when I don't know what CPU it is or if it's hackable. |
| 22:45.30 | Turl | hno: hipboi mentioned better x11 support |
| 22:45.42 | Turl | and it's always nice to have too |
| 22:46.30 | hno | would be happy for a setup that is reproducible and verified by at least 3 persons. |
| 22:51.53 | Turl | jelly bean on A10 :) |
| 22:51.57 | Turl | this is seriously smooth |
| 22:52.13 | lundman | built kernel? |
| 22:52.48 | Turl | hm? |
| 22:53.27 | lundman | dont think JB is downloadable, so you built it? |
| 22:56.04 | Turl | it is downloadable |
| 22:56.08 | Turl | since like.. 2-3 days? |
| 22:56.09 | Turl | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/553461/woah.png |
| 22:56.31 | Turl | (never mind the yellow instead of blue, there's boogz :P) |
| 22:56.51 | lundman | url me, I put it on mirror |
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| 22:57.37 | Turl | lundman: url what? |
| 22:58.07 | lundman | you made mebelieve you run JB onyour A10, so whereis the image download :) |
| 22:58.25 | Turl | it's on my computer? I built it :P |
| 22:58.37 | lundman | oh for the lov |
| 22:58.37 | Turl | it's half hacked on-device and has boogz |
| 22:59.43 | Turl | once I clean up my stuff a little bit and fix the big 2 showstoppers I'll post all the source, as always :) |
| 23:00.35 | ZaEarl | source is good |
| 23:03.27 | ZaEarl | yellow highlights? is that the butter? |
| 23:10.18 | Turl | ZaEarl: haha |
| 23:10.37 | Turl | ZaEarl: nah, screenshotting is bad :P colors are swapped I suppose, it looks like ics on the screen |
| 23:10.48 | ZaEarl | haha |
| 23:11.03 | Turl | but it's smooth yep :) |
| 23:11.05 | Turl | bbl |
| 23:11.14 | ZaEarl | even inverted, it looks good. |
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