| 00:25.45 | steev | ZaEarl: that laptop that traeak linked, is the wifi card full or half-height |
| 00:25.53 | steev | and is bluetooth part of the wifi card? |
| 01:05.37 | Turl | steev: if the description is accurate, http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/504744033/New_Centrino_wireless_N_1030_11230BNHMW_Wifi.jpg |
| 01:06.12 | steev | hmmm |
| 01:08.06 | Turl | and it has bluetooth apparently |
| 01:08.07 | Turl | http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/centrino/centrino-wireless-n-1030-brief.html |
| 01:09.02 | Turl | pcie half minicard, according to intel |
| 01:14.11 | steev | yeah, that's what i'm afraid of |
| 01:14.19 | steev | i hate when the bluetooth is linked to the wifi card |
| 01:14.33 | Turl | any specific reason? |
| 01:16.29 | steev | Turl: mostly because i use a 3x3:3 network, so when i replace the wifi card, i prefer to be able to use my bluetooth mouse as opposed to not being able to |
| 01:16.41 | steev | network card* |
| 01:18.14 | Turl | ah |
| 01:18.26 | Turl | intel is 2x1, not bad |
| 01:18.51 | Turl | steev: you can probably ask them to install a different wifi card though, I think they make the notebooks themselves |
| 01:19.22 | steev | Turl: maybe so, but the wifi card i use doesn't have bluetooth, that's the important bit |
| 01:19.51 | Turl | well, there's those mini chinese dongles you won't ever notice :P |
| 01:20.02 | steev | yeah |
| 01:20.26 | steev | until it catches on your pants seam, and the laptop falls |
| 01:20.36 | Turl | what card do you use btw? |
| 01:21.10 | Turl | the intel one on my notebook doesn't play too nice with my N router |
| 01:23.35 | steev | it's an ath9k |
| 01:23.46 | steev | it's actually killer n |
| 01:23.47 | lundman | woo, shipping |
| 01:23.51 | Turl | my router's ath9k too |
| 01:24.34 | Turl | steev: how much do those cost? |
| 01:25.21 | RITRedbeard | Damn. My two gender adapters for Lapdock won't work together/size constraint |
| 01:25.44 | Turl | RITRedbeard: you have a lapdock? :) |
| 01:25.51 | Turl | I have an atrix :P |
| 01:26.02 | steev | bah, they aren't listed on amazon anymore |
| 01:26.09 | steev | but the specific one i use is the 1103 |
| 01:26.14 | steev | it was ~40 bucks when i got it |
| 01:26.20 | Turl | steev: what brand? |
| 01:26.35 | steev | killer |
| 01:26.44 | steev | bigfoot networks (now owned by qualcomm) |
| 01:26.55 | Turl | ah, that's the brand |
| 01:27.09 | Turl | I thought you were just saying your N was awesome :P |
| 01:27.09 | steev | but it was actually sold (on amazon) by the company that makes laptops using them in michigan |
| 01:27.17 | steev | hah |
| 01:27.18 | steev | no |
| 01:27.25 | steev | (although to be fair, it is awesome) |
| 01:28.02 | steev | http://compare.ebay.com/like/140779306983?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar (ouch to that price) |
| 01:28.19 | Turl | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/541304353-New-Atheros-AR9285-AR5B95-Mini-Pci-Express-802-11-B-G-N-Dual-Wireless-Card-150M-wholesalers.html 9 bucks a pop? :) |
| 01:28.35 | steev | that's not 3x3 |
| 01:28.55 | Turl | yeah |
| 01:29.01 | steev | also that's full height :) |
| 01:29.32 | steev | it's much easier to take a half-height to full, than the other way around ;) |
| 01:29.33 | Turl | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/374757440-Atheros-AR9280-AR5BHB92-Half-Mini-PCI-E-Wireless-300Mbps-Card-wholesalers.html 2x2 :p |
| 01:29.39 | Turl | yeah |
| 01:30.26 | Turl | my laptop has 2 antennas anyway |
| 01:30.31 | Turl | I wouldn't benefit from 3x3 |
| 01:30.40 | steev | mine had 2, i added a third |
| 01:30.49 | steev | benefits of working on wifi... for work |
| 01:31.25 | Turl | you work field is wifi? |
| 01:31.40 | steev | it's more of a speciality |
| 01:32.07 | steev | if i had been at genesi before they released the efikamx, i never would have allowed them to use the rt2870 |
| 01:33.23 | Turl | ugh realtek :P |
| 01:33.34 | Turl | I hate the realtek chip on this tablet :( dies randomly |
| 01:38.47 | Turl | steev: btw, do you have any experience regarding thin client software? |
| 01:38.56 | steev | not a whole lot |
| 01:39.24 | Turl | steev: a friend asked me the other day what was the prefered way to run a thin client nowadays |
| 01:39.39 | Turl | on a GbE LAN |
| 01:39.40 | steev | eh, freenx maybe |
| 01:40.41 | Turl | he was thinking of using xdmcp |
| 01:41.02 | Turl | I used freenx over the internet once, it was a bit better than vnc |
| 01:41.13 | Turl | but I have no experience of doing that kind of stuff on a LAN |
| 01:41.30 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Harry master * rcf3ee6265db6 /allwinner_a10/orders/hmcgregoraz.mdwn: |
| 01:42.25 | steev | on a lan it should seem local |
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| 03:14.18 | ZaEarl | Atheros AR9285 half-size cards are great value. work pretty well, and a great price |
| 03:15.04 | ZaEarl | steev, I haven't seen the finished product. it's due in the shop any day now. but most likely the bt is part of the half-pcie card. |
| 03:18.48 | steev | ZaEarl: yeah i figured, lots of centrino wifi have the bt on board |
| 03:19.15 | ZaEarl | which is great for the average consumer |
| 03:19.22 | steev | yeah |
| 03:19.37 | steev | what i like is the support for up to 16gb of ram at a great price |
| 03:20.02 | ZaEarl | thx |
| 03:21.25 | steev | seriously, core i7, plus 16gb of ram for 1300 is fairly untouchable |
| 03:22.04 | steev | the only change i'd personally make would be that vga->serial port |
| 03:22.35 | steev | (if i were designing one i mean) |
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| 05:10.20 | ZaEarl | This just in from a Chinese OEM. "Try our new headphone mouse." |
| 05:19.38 | DonkeyHotei | that's an idea |
| 05:19.58 | DonkeyHotei | it's been done, though |
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| 05:28.47 | Turl | before I get asleep |
| 05:28.59 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: have you ever seen intel having issues with HDMI? |
| 05:29.31 | Turl | colors at 1080p look like crap, 1360x768 upscaled works wonderfully, 720p is crap again |
| 05:29.55 | Turl | the 16:10 ones work OK too, although the image is distorted (monitor is 16:9) |
| 05:33.22 | DonkeyHotei | so far, i have never tried hdmi output from a computer |
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| 07:49.43 | hno | ZaEarl, what's that? |
| 07:55.52 | ZaEarl | what's what? |
| 08:35.40 | hno | <ZaEarl> This just in from a Chinese OEM. "Try our new headphone mouse." |
| 08:36.17 | ZaEarl | just a random oem, funny grammar. it was headphones and mouse. |
| 08:48.47 | A2Sheds | if apple made it millions would buy it |
| 08:49.40 | A2Sheds | ARM Delivers 64-bit ARMv8 Linux Kernel Support (AArch64) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzNDg |
| 08:50.36 | A2Sheds | http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1207.0/03025.html |
| 09:48.26 | steev | - There is no function-call-level compatibility between the AArch64 |
| 09:48.26 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.26 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.29 | steev | :( |
| 09:52.54 | specing | Are they doing the same backward compatibility crap as intel? |
| 09:53.02 | specing | Oh noes |
| 09:53.22 | specing | a 64-bit processor that can execute 32 bit natively? D'oh |
| 09:53.35 | specing | Isnt their main target linux, anyway? |
| 09:53.50 | specing | And as such it can be compiled to 64bit |
| 09:59.51 | steev | There is at best only a similarity between the A64 and the |
| 09:59.51 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.51 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.54 | steev | that part sucks |
| 10:00.21 | steev | unless i'm misreading it, which is possible as it's 5am |
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| 11:16.27 | hno | steev, mnemonics are the same but binary machine code is different. Same as for x86 and x86_64. It's a new instruction set. |
| 11:17.54 | hno | specing, ARM is a whole lot more than Linux. And in the ARM Linux worlds there is a whole lot of binary-only blobs which users will expect to still work. |
| 11:26.17 | penguin42 | interestingly the encoding differences on x86-64 are pretty small |
| 11:28.11 | lundman | 64bit arm would be interesting |
| 11:29.17 | penguin42 | from what I remember reading of the v8 docs when it was first announced it sounded like a completely new instruction set that happened to use some of the same instruction names |
| 11:30.24 | hno | I have not looked at ARMv8 instruction encoding. But there likely is similarities with ARMv7 encoding, but it is a new instruction set regardless. |
| 11:31.14 | penguin42 | the encoding wasn't available when I saw the docs |
| 11:33.04 | specing | hno: the incompatibility would force the mfgs to release new binaries |
| 11:33.54 | penguin42 | as I remember you'll still be able to have 32 bit processes and 64bit processes; I don't think they allowed mixed 32/64 bit processes |
| 11:34.50 | Turl | " (with 4 exception levels: EL0 - user, EL1 - kernel, EL2 - hypervisor, EL3 - secure monitor)," |
| 11:34.52 | Turl | heh |
| 11:43.21 | hno | yes there is support for mixing 32-bit processes and 64-bit processes on 64-bit arm, just as you can on x86_64. But afaik you can't mix 32-bit and 64-bit in the same process. |
| 11:44.04 | hno | Turl, yes, even hypervisors are non-trusted these days. |
| 11:45.03 | hno | all thanks to DRM and customer lockin requirements. |
| 11:46.16 | specing | I have a feeling I wont be liking ARM64 |
| 11:47.16 | penguin42 | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.genc010197a/index.html is where the docs live - and I think anyone can register on the site to get it |
| 11:48.00 | rm | it's primarily for the server chips, right |
| 11:48.13 | rm | ARM wants to also be in the server market |
| 11:52.52 | rm | http://gigaom.com/cloud/see-what-cloud-can-do-dell-unveils-arm-servers/ |
| 11:52.54 | rm | look how cute |
| 11:53.15 | rm | and the whole thing plugs into a PCI-E slot on the far end O_O |
| 11:53.16 | rm | :D |
| 11:56.05 | rm | what I definitely don't like about ARM 64-bit, is the tremendously dumb name |
| 11:56.09 | rm | AArch64? |
| 11:56.17 | rm | just call it arm64 dammit |
| 12:11.39 | penguin42 | rm: Yeh I've got to agree |
| 12:11.58 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: marco master * r2420affb8ab8 /allwinner_a10.mdwn: Expanded external link section |
| 12:13.09 | penguin42 | rm: Where did you see that those Dell things plug into PCI? |
| 12:13.44 | rm | that's was only a joke (I suppose) |
| 12:13.53 | rm | if you click the linked article and enlarge the photo |
| 12:13.59 | penguin42 | rm: Ah ok; it's not impossible though |
| 12:14.00 | rm | the far end has a connector similar to PCI-E |
| 12:14.09 | penguin42 | yeh |
| 12:15.29 | penguin42 | hopes someone (preferably sooner) makes one of those Marvell chips available in a standalone card - they look nice |
| 12:21.15 | specing | yeap |
| 12:21.31 | specing | THey have PCIe too, right? |
| 12:25.35 | penguin42 | yeh, they've got PCIe, GigE, sata and most other high speed interfaces you could possibly want |
| 12:25.51 | penguin42 | http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/armada-xp/ |
| 12:26.35 | specing | So, gpu via PCIe and you've got yourself an ARM desktop? |
| 12:27.22 | rm | hum, you've got yourself an ARM desktop today just by getting an MK802 or Mele, no?:) |
| 12:27.57 | specing | Those are not powerfull enaugh |
| 12:28.29 | rm | depends on what you do on your desktop |
| 12:29.11 | specing | they are designed for 1200x800 tablets, not 2* 1920x1200 monitors with 20 virtual desktops on them running compiles in the background and having 10 (browsers+terminals) open at the same time |
| 12:29.40 | specing | they are not even near to handling that load |
| 12:30.03 | specing | with armada-xp, the goal would be achievable |
| 12:30.22 | rm | sure |
| 12:30.38 | penguin42 | specing: I hate to think how much they cost though |
| 12:30.49 | rm | but e.g. I am used to running everything on my AMD64 server in a closet |
| 12:31.08 | specing | penguin42: less than an intel chip, definetly |
| 12:31.10 | rm | and whatever desktop I use just runs a VNC client |
| 12:32.08 | rm | and yeah, it is doubtful that Armada will beat AMD's low-end CPUs on price/performance |
| 12:32.17 | rm | price/performance+powerconsumption, maybe |
| 12:32.29 | rm | but not everyone cares about power consumption if it's 5W ws 45W |
| 12:32.31 | rm | on a desktop |
| 12:33.00 | rm | vs* |
| 12:33.03 | specing | well the die size should be less than the AMDs |
| 12:33.10 | specing | = lower cost |
| 12:33.22 | rm | scale of production is less |
| 12:33.31 | rm | = higher cost :) |
| 12:34.05 | specing | Well I guess they should start making some desktops with them, then? |
| 12:35.06 | rm | well, if it will be like "arm desktops" that were available so far, e.g. TrimSlice |
| 12:35.18 | rm | $200-250 each |
| 12:35.31 | rm | then they won't have a great demand |
| 12:35.44 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Dr_David_Alan master * r09cd6fbc6140 /evaluated_cpus.mdwn: Add link to Armada XP kernel patches |
| 12:35.55 | mnemoc | rm: can't a mele qualify as arm desktop? |
| 12:36.07 | rm | that's what I said |
| 12:36.19 | mnemoc | uh, sorry :| |
| 12:36.24 | rm | > you've got yourself an ARM desktop today just by getting an MK802 or Mele |
| 12:36.31 | rm | but read the log further :) |
| 12:37.00 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:40.06 | rm | the A10-based devices loopholed themselves out of the "low demand, low scale, high price" situation of earlier ARM desktops by being Android TV boxes primarily :) |
| 12:40.15 | rm | and this is awesome |
| 12:40.28 | rm | they will have huge scale and the price will go down |
| 12:40.45 | rm | let's hope the "boot anything you want from SD" feature remains in A13/A15/etc |
| 12:41.11 | specing | They should add USB, too |
| 12:47.13 | mnemoc | FEL gives boot-from-usb.... |
| 12:47.20 | mnemoc | unless you mean usb-storage |
| 12:50.58 | specing | usb-storage, yes :) |
| 12:51.27 | specing | Hmm, do they boot from sata? |
| 12:52.41 | Turl | not afaik |
| 12:53.09 | Turl | you could boot off a sd and keep rootfs on a sata disk though |
| 12:53.20 | specing | heh |
| 12:53.36 | Turl | fuu, stupid carrier |
| 12:53.51 | Turl | I have 'rollover minutes' but they don't roll over |
| 12:55.05 | Turl | they don't show on your account; they'll charge you extra and then give you bonus credit to cover for those |
| 12:55.10 | specing | Well the NAND flash makes the board quite a bit more expensive, doesent it? |
| 12:55.19 | Turl | and you cannot check how many minutes you really have |
| 12:55.38 | Turl | specing: a non-NANDed mele? :P |
| 12:55.43 | specing | yeap |
| 12:55.52 | Turl | they could use an internal SD slot |
| 12:55.53 | Turl | and a card |
| 12:56.16 | Turl | wonder how does it compare price wise to eMMC chips and the like |
| 12:56.21 | specing | the ARM9 I have has an external SPI 4MB flash which houses stage1, stage2, u-boot and Linux |
| 13:01.20 | specing | But yeah, a mmc is cheap enaugh |
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| 14:28.12 | arokux1 | hi all! which prebuilt image do u use to hack on mele? |
| 14:33.38 | specing | arokux1: w'se ar o 'gs |
| 14:34.06 | arokux1 | specing, translate please |
| 14:36.07 | Turl | specing: this is not vi |
| 14:37.59 | rm | arokux1, I took the debian armhf minimal system |
| 14:38.05 | rm | and worked from that |
| 14:38.26 | rm | installed Xorg + Xfce4 on my Mele |
| 14:38.51 | rm | and various server apps and a headless kernel on the MK802 |
| 14:38.52 | specing | arokux1: that is what you get for using 'u' |
| 14:39.08 | specing | I can shorten words, too! |
| 14:39.19 | arokux1 | rm cool, I like the idea. where is this minimal system? |
| 14:39.45 | rm | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_image/ |
| 14:39.57 | rm | in the bottom part of that page, after "Here are the components" |
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| 14:47.13 | arokux1 | rm, do u have ethernet on it? |
| 14:47.37 | rm | on what |
| 14:47.58 | rm | on the image, on mele, or on mk802 |
| 14:48.51 | arokux1 | on mele with that image. |
| 14:49.03 | rm | yes |
| 14:49.22 | rm | it is configured to bring up wired ethernet as eth0 and try to obtain IP from DHCP |
| 14:49.38 | rm | so then you check the logs at your DHCP server for which IP it actually got |
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| 15:33.30 | arokux1 | rm ah, so it will not get me any VGA output? could I assign static IP to it somehow? |
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| 15:41.04 | rm | you can by editing /etc/network/interfaces on the root FS in the SD card |
| 15:41.12 | rm | not sure about the video outpit |
| 15:41.14 | rm | put* |
| 15:41.24 | arokux1 | so u only ssh into it? |
| 15:41.27 | rm | also, the minimal system has no Xorg |
| 15:41.40 | rm | and currently the A10 only outputs anything to the screen only while in Xorg |
| 15:41.51 | rm | so you will have to ssh to it first, to set up things |
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| 15:59.32 | arokux1 | rm, it works! |
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| 16:21.43 | arokux1 | rm, have u also got console output? |
| 16:26.03 | rm | it does not work |
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| 16:32.59 | arokux1 | rm, but it should. and i've bought all the equipment. mnemoc should now how. |
| 16:33.17 | arokux1 | rm, or do u mean it does not work with this image? |
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| 16:37.30 | arokux1 | hno, have u got console output working? |
| 16:41.28 | rm | console output does not work AT ALL with Allwinner A10 currently |
| 16:41.30 | rm | it is not implemented |
| 16:41.36 | rm | but it is possible and is planned |
| 16:41.46 | rm | you will get graphics only in Xorg |
| 16:41.57 | rm | (or anything on the screen) |
| 16:41.58 | rm | for now |
| 16:42.30 | arokux1 | rm.. hm.. strange, than it probably worked in 2.6.36 |
| 16:43.10 | arokux1 | rm so there is no chance to debug the kernel while booting? |
| 16:50.35 | rm | I am satisfied that it boots ok every time |
| 16:50.38 | rm | nothing to debug |
| 16:52.13 | arokux1 | rm, you are probably not working on the kernel? |
| 16:52.20 | rm | no |
| 16:52.30 | rm | you can set up netconsole |
| 16:52.50 | arokux1 | rm, ah, I see. what is your interest in mele then? |
| 17:12.19 | rm | hum, using it?:) |
| 17:12.29 | rm | Mele as a light desktop with Debian+Xfce4 |
| 17:12.36 | rm | MK802 as my home server :) |
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| 17:13.40 | markvandenborre | hi! I'm trying to boot my mele a2000, but it seems to be dead on arrival |
| 17:15.13 | markvandenborre | anyone else using a mele a2000? |
| 17:15.42 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Andrey_aka master * red7f79de6ea4 /allwinner_a10/orders/lkcl.mdwn: |
| 17:16.20 | markvandenborre | when I boot it, the left front led (blue) lights up and stays like that |
| 17:16.42 | markvandenborre | the ethernet leds in the back flash very briefly, then light up for 5 seconds before going out |
| 17:17.12 | Turl | markvandenborre: do you have any kind of sd card inserted? |
| 17:17.16 | markvandenborre | the screen receives "something", and sometimes shows a monochrome Mele logo |
| 17:17.27 | markvandenborre | before going blank again |
| 17:17.33 | markvandenborre | Turl: not even that |
| 17:17.44 | markvandenborre | (though I did try with an SD card inserted afterwards) |
| 17:17.53 | Turl | what video output are you using? |
| 17:18.13 | Turl | try without a card and over vga |
| 17:18.18 | markvandenborre | tried VGA first (and switching to it on the remote as per the manual) -> no reaction |
| 17:18.31 | Turl | or turn it on, wait a bit and then use the switch vdeo button on the remote |
| 17:18.38 | Turl | no idea then, maybe mnemoc or hno can help you |
| 17:19.11 | Turl | my mele is still on the mail :) |
| 17:19.25 | markvandenborre | this was on a unit that came straight from Tom Cubie :-( |
| 17:19.31 | specing | markvandenborre: see what serial says |
| 17:19.53 | markvandenborre | specing: didn't order any serial cable... |
| 17:20.12 | markvandenborre | (but I do have some usb serial stuff lying around) |
| 17:20.39 | specing | markvandenborre: just get a level converter first, dont connect 13V onto it! |
| 17:20.41 | markvandenborre | specing: any recommended reading on that? |
| 17:21.37 | specing | I have a homemade MAX232 board connected to a PL2303 line driver |
| 17:21.40 | markvandenborre | on how to conntect to a tty for this particular device? |
| 17:21.49 | ssvb | markvandenborre: what kind of monitor are you trying to use with A2000? |
| 17:21.50 | specing | there should be a header inside |
| 17:24.16 | ssvb | markvandenborre: 1920x1080 monitor worked fine out of the box for me, 1680x1050 did not |
| 17:25.35 | markvandenborre | ssvb: thank you for that hint |
| 17:25.45 | markvandenborre | I definitely used a low res one |
| 17:26.27 | markvandenborre | ssvb: does the ethernet connector led light up from the beginning with you? |
| 17:26.50 | markvandenborre | I guess the default setup receives a USB lease, right? |
| 17:27.12 | markvandenborre | ssvb: DHCP lease I mean of course |
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| 17:27.38 | markvandenborre | because that's not happening in my case either... not even physical recognition |
| 17:28.38 | specing | markvandenborre: does the mele have a USB device port? |
| 17:29.43 | rzk | if anyone will try to do something around ft5x_ts, dont set upgrade mode on |
| 17:29.45 | rzk | this happens http://pastebin.com/skUJA1MV |
| 17:29.53 | rzk | then you have dead touchscreen |
| 17:30.56 | markvandenborre | it has 3 usb host ports, and apparently also an internal USB device port: |
| 17:31.45 | ssvb | markvandenborre: my A2000 is collecting dust on the shelf at the moment (still waiting for a serial cable), but just to check whether the device is alive, you can to press some buttons on IR remote (a led should blink on the front panel as a feedback) |
| 17:32.46 | markvandenborre | http://nl.aliexpress.com/product-fm/557956820-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html seems to imply that |
| 17:33.02 | markvandenborre | ssvb: it definitely doesn't (and yes, batteries are there) |
| 17:33.19 | markvandenborre | ssvb: should there be two leds lighted up on the front side? |
| 17:33.39 | markvandenborre | (or one of them from time to time as feedback)? |
| 17:34.34 | specing | markvandenborre: serial :P |
| 17:35.37 | markvandenborre | thanks for the hints all |
| 17:37.10 | markvandenborre | seems to be clear I have a dead unit. any hints on where I can buy (or even borrow) a Mele a1000/a2000 within the EU while waiting for a replacement unit? |
| 17:38.06 | arokux1 | markvandenborre, it takes some time before mele starts. then at the beginning (even before the switch to VGA) you should see several android robots on the screen.. |
| 17:38.26 | markvandenborre | arokux1: never got to that point |
| 17:38.30 | specing | markvandenborre: SERIAL. |
| 17:39.19 | markvandenborre | you mean I should really check something by connecting to the tty directly before giving it up? |
| 17:39.37 | specing | yes |
| 17:39.49 | arokux1 | I'm also interested in reading from serial.. how to do it? |
| 17:40.19 | arokux1 | i've even bought a serial converter. but cat /dev/ttyUSB0 outputs only some squares.. |
| 17:40.26 | specing | by hooking it to a 3.3V/5V serial converter |
| 17:40.56 | markvandenborre | hm, not that familiar with that |
| 17:41.03 | arokux1 | specing, i've done that. should i change some config? |
| 17:41.23 | markvandenborre | googling |
| 17:41.25 | arokux1 | markvandenborre, u would need special hardware or a serial port for it.. |
| 17:41.26 | specing | arokux1: 115200 baud, no handshaking, 8 bits, 1 stop bit |
| 17:42.33 | arokux1 | specing, where should i set it? |
| 17:42.51 | specing | in your serial port software |
| 17:43.24 | arokux1 | there were some gnome program, i've forgot it's name (( |
| 17:43.42 | arokux1 | specing, i thought i could set it somewhere and use cat afterwards. |
| 17:43.53 | specing | use screen (the simplest) or minicom |
| 17:44.01 | specing | you can do that |
| 17:44.18 | specing | with one of the above^ |
| 17:44.29 | specing | or write your own program (see the termios man page) |
| 17:47.06 | arokux1 | ah, found it. gtkterm -- i've used it once. |
| 17:47.16 | specing | with screen it is screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200,ixoff,cs8 |
| 17:47.26 | markvandenborre | what kind of cable do I need exactly? |
| 17:47.50 | arokux1 | markvandenborre, sec.. |
| 17:47.53 | specing | Something that can read TTL/CMOS levels |
| 17:48.03 | markvandenborre | just a usb serial cable that does 3.3 or 5v instead of 12v like real serial does?? |
| 17:48.07 | specing | I have a MAX232 board |
| 17:48.13 | specing | markvandenborre: yes |
| 17:48.24 | specing | markvandenborre: usb-serial without a line driver |
| 17:48.40 | arokux1 | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/ |
| 17:48.54 | arokux1 | search "One of the options is to buy" |
| 17:49.07 | arokux1 | I've written and bought those. |
| 17:51.35 | arokux1 | specing, it works! |
| 17:54.45 | ssvb | markvandenborre: I guess it may be easier to find and try a different monitor/tv than a serial cable, you mentioned it showing "monochrome Mele logo", so it does not look totally dead |
| 17:54.53 | markvandenborre | arokux1: so your solution means I can get into the machine without soldering, right? just connecting jumpers to pins on the board on one side, and |
| 17:55.02 | arokux1 | yes |
| 17:55.07 | markvandenborre | ok |
| 17:55.22 | arokux1 | i could sent you cables, i have to many, but you should buy a converter |
| 17:55.22 | markvandenborre | ssvb: then again, it didn't get to the android thingie stage, but indeed |
| 17:55.37 | markvandenborre | will try later tonight on a big flatscreen hdmi thing |
| 17:55.44 | markvandenborre | then see where that gets me |
| 17:55.56 | ssvb | markvandenborre: I think I had similar symptoms with non-1080p monitor |
| 17:56.13 | markvandenborre | heh, I'll wait before mailing Tom then ;) |
| 17:56.49 | arokux1 | note, that it's working find with 1280x1024 vga display |
| 17:57.09 | arokux1 | fine* |
| 17:58.16 | arokux1 | specing, you are also hacking on the kernel? |
| 17:59.09 | specing | not yet, I have had no serious problems with it so far |
| 17:59.24 | ssvb | arokux1: it could possibly also depend on firmware version, for example the preinstalled one could not recognize my SATA HDD, but ICS firmware fixed that |
| 18:00.00 | ssvb | arokux1: I initially even thought that SATA port might be dead on my unit :) |
| 18:00.14 | arokux1 | specing, what is your interest then? |
| 18:00.31 | specing | getting Gentoo up and running on my tablet |
| 18:00.41 | arokux1 | i see. :) |
| 18:00.50 | arokux1 | i'm Arch-fan |
| 18:00.50 | specing | I have no mele |
| 18:01.03 | specing | just this tablet |
| 18:02.19 | arokux1 | btw, i've found stty, you can use it to set some settings and then cat |
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| 18:05.45 | ssvb | markvandenborre: you might also try upgrading the firmware: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android/ |
| 18:05.46 | specing | arokux1: yes |
| 18:06.11 | ssvb | markvandenborre: and see if it reacts as described in "Operation on device" part of this wiki page |
| 18:09.38 | markvandenborre | arokux1: it doesn't do zilch with my vga screen |
| 18:10.20 | arokux1 | markvandenborre, zlich? |
| 18:11.50 | markvandenborre | zilch, scratch, nada, nothing, rien de knots, nul de botten, zero |
| 18:11.54 | markvandenborre | :) |
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| 18:15.40 | specing | markvandenborre: serial :P |
| 18:18.33 | arokux | specing, cat works strange anyway, although I get some output |
| 18:18.44 | arokux | thanks for help guys. |
| 18:18.53 | arokux | see you tomorrow! |
| 18:46.00 | markvandenborre | ssvb: hm, trying to upgrade the firmware doesn't yield a thing |
| 18:46.32 | markvandenborre | no flashing led (actually, I've never seen the second front led on) |
| 18:47.06 | markvandenborre | is Tom Cubie in this channel sometimes? under which nick? |
| 18:47.52 | specing | hipboi |
| 18:47.52 | DonkeyHotei | his nick is hipboi |
| 18:48.34 | DonkeyHotei | i'm still waiting for my A2000 to arrive from china |
| 18:48.47 | DonkeyHotei | i hope it's not dead |
| 18:49.43 | specing | heh |
| 18:50.07 | markvandenborre | shouldn't be a problem, I'm quite confident it will be ok |
| 18:50.37 | markvandenborre | but imagine it would have been my father actually buying it as a tv thingie |
| 18:51.29 | markvandenborre | "open up the box and attach a serial console" wouldn't have been an option for him :p |
| 18:52.06 | specing | heh |
| 18:56.56 | DonkeyHotei | lucky we are who we are |
| 18:57.41 | DonkeyHotei | the mailing list says some of the A1000's shipped with bad ram |
| 18:59.08 | markvandenborre | hm, this is an A2k |
| 18:59.21 | markvandenborre | but that might be the issue indeed |
| 18:59.30 | markvandenborre | oh well, speculation |
| 19:02.22 | specing | SERIAL PORT OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN! |
| 19:04.29 | markvandenborre | :-) |
| 19:05.00 | markvandenborre | I'll order a serial thingie from Tom before RMA'ing this one |
| 19:10.53 | ssvb | as it is a consumer device, I would expect it to just work |
| 19:11.37 | ssvb | the serial thingie is mostly needed for linux kernel debugging |
| 19:23.29 | rzk | [22:57:43] <DonkeyHotei> the mailing list says some of the A1000's shipped with bad ram |
| 19:23.35 | rzk | I have ly-f1 with bad ram |
| 19:23.45 | rzk | fixed with reflow |
| 19:23.55 | rzk | god damn RoHS |
| 19:24.00 | DonkeyHotei | ... |
| 19:28.10 | specing | RoHorribleStandard |
| 19:39.57 | ssvb | are Mele devices RoHS/FCC/CE/... compliant? |
| 19:41.36 | DonkeyHotei | can't ship them to the EU if they're not, so i would assume so |
| 19:49.37 | specing | I hate RoHS |
| 19:49.44 | specing | You cant solder shit |
| 19:50.05 | specing | It took me an hour to solder a serial line onto the board |
| 19:56.04 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Micle master * r406d08121d6e /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn: |
| 19:58.22 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Micle master * r07e95aee8eb3 /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn: |
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| 20:05.15 | rzk | http://linux-sunxi.org/LY-F1#FT5X_touchscreen_issues |
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| 22:09.43 | rzk | mnemoc: |
| 22:14.20 | hno | specing, why? Was the pads oxidized and your flux to weak to tamper it? |
| 22:15.58 | hno | ssvb, the Mele is probably CE compliant, but not RoHS and certainly not FCC filed as they do not target the international markets at all. |
| 22:17.22 | rzk | weird things happening around me, now my UART recieves garbage from A10, but my USBee DX chinese clone says that A10 sends everything as it should be http://imgur.com/Tps5g |
| 22:18.56 | rzk | tried uart on msp430 launchpad - same thing, I remember some guy with same issue here, he had cp2102 that was toasted by his tablet. |
| 22:19.27 | hno | rzk, what UART do you have? |
| 22:19.35 | rzk | ft232 |
| 22:19.50 | hno | 3_3V model? |
| 22:20.11 | rzk | 3.3 by layout, yes |
| 22:20.32 | hno | pretty hard for those to malfunction. |
| 22:21.45 | hno | have had USB ports burn out but by connected device doing evil things FT232 suriving just fine. |
| 22:24.27 | hno | The other reporting garbage vas libv I think, and turned out he was using a UART with RS232 levels or the like, certainly not 3.3V. Just luck the A10 did not burn in blue smoke. |
| 22:25.49 | hno | rzk, what voltage do you have on the UART TX wire? |
| 22:26.02 | DonkeyHotei | evil things? do i even want to know? |
| 22:28.26 | rzk | 2.81 |
| 22:28.31 | hno | Some rather nasty electic impulses out on the console port due to bad power management on shutdown. |
| 22:28.50 | hno | rzk, on the TX wire? Sure you did not measure the RX wire? |
| 22:30.05 | DonkeyHotei | Rx and Tx are about as confusing as left and right |
| 22:30.35 | rzk | damn, need to mark wires |
| 22:30.48 | rzk | yes, rx is 2.81, tx is ~0 |
| 22:31.03 | hno | 0? |
| 22:31.20 | hno | You should only see 0 if sending a break |
| 22:31.46 | rzk | it is 0, I've checked with bech scope o_o |
| 22:31.58 | rzk | weird stuff happening with this tablet |
| 22:32.04 | rzk | first sdram fail, now this |
| 22:32.23 | rzk | *bench |
| 22:32.34 | hno | FTDI cable? Or some other FT232 based UART? |
| 22:33.17 | rzk | some random schematic for 3.3v, this uart is pretty old one |
| 22:34.05 | rzk | I'll check with other ft232 that I have somewhere |
| 22:35.08 | rzk | but 0 on tx means that if I connect ft232 with 3.3v levels, it will die because uart is pulled up by default, right? |
| 22:35.58 | hno | 0V on TX means the UART is toast. |
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| 22:36.38 | hno | serial is using inverted signals. TX is held high while idle. |
| 22:37.16 | hno | One of my FT232 cables reads 3.35V on TX. |
| 22:38.47 | hno | and 2.88V on RX |
| 22:42.00 | hno | rzk, if it's a dual voltage FT232 UART then verify that the VIO voltage selector is in place. But I guess it is as you see some leakage on RX. |
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