| 00:04.52 | lundman | at work |
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| 00:12.16 | lundman | hmm mele ics must use phoenix then? |
| 00:13.13 | lundman | very disappointing |
| 00:15.51 | Turl | lundman: did you install it? |
| 00:17.47 | lundman | booting windows VM |
| 00:18.00 | lundman | such a piece of crap :) |
| 00:18.36 | lundman | its "burning" my sd card as we speak |
| 00:21.54 | Turl | :p |
| 00:22.00 | Turl | I had to use livesuite |
| 00:22.01 | Turl | twice |
| 00:23.10 | lundman | maybe I'll dd the image in and save others the abysmal experience of having to use windows and phoenixcar |
| 00:24.21 | Turl | I was gonna suggest that |
| 00:24.42 | Turl | btw, if you do, please strings /system/lib/egl/* |
| 00:25.58 | lundman | whats interesting about those libs? |
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| 00:27.18 | Turl | lundman: mali libs |
| 00:27.23 | Turl | maybe the firmware has newer ones |
| 00:27.50 | lundman | the A10 ICS has |
| 00:27.53 | lundman | c691ec455989276fad2c607d65157a69 egl.cfg |
| 00:27.53 | lundman | 8076158878b2314286903dd1ffa2b469 libEGL_mali.so |
| 00:27.54 | lundman | 1769e3c874166efa28d7c283cb592ede libGLES_android.so |
| 00:27.54 | lundman | a6ccf3c9752aa85fbe866d30b6096c89 libGLESv1_CM_mali.so |
| 00:27.54 | lundman | bc187df885791f005aa4da7ed30dc7df libGLESv2_mali.so |
| 00:28.26 | Turl | strings *|grep r2p |
| 00:31.33 | lundman | ok, will do |
| 00:38.06 | lundman | hmm i think phoenixcard hung, wonderful software |
| 00:45.47 | lundman | bah it made an invalid mbr |
| 00:53.42 | Lupul | is anyone familiar with this box: |
| 00:53.43 | Lupul | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/530565258-New-Google-Android-4-0-ICS-Internet-TV-Box-WIFI-Media-Player-1080P-Full-HD-HDTV-wholesalers.html |
| 00:56.14 | Lupul | they say it has an A10 Chipset |
| 00:57.24 | lundman | it says that yes |
| 00:57.42 | Lupul | i think it has the Via chipset |
| 00:57.50 | lundman | says mali400 |
| 00:57.57 | Lupul | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/547561227-Wholesale-5-pcs-lot-Google-tv-box-GV-11B-Android-2-3-VIA-WM8710-built-in-wholesalers.html |
| 00:59.33 | Lupul | it is alomost a 1:1 produst beside the color and the remote.. |
| 01:01.34 | lundman | so everything is different, expect both are box shaped? |
| 01:17.40 | lundman | ok finally running mele |
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| 01:56.33 | lundman | r2p4-02rel0 |
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| 03:01.26 | hno | lundman, livesuite should work with mele as well. It just requires a little more effort (special cable, jumper mounted or FEL boot SD-card used) |
| 03:01.59 | lundman | phoenix works in the end, but a dd image would be better |
| 03:02.19 | lundman | since a dd image can be used everywhere including windows :) |
| 03:03.08 | hno | lundman, yes. |
| 03:05.25 | hno | lundman, which firmware are you using now? |
| 03:06.43 | lundman | mele ics4 |
| 03:08.53 | hno | This one? 14ee1c33b1929caad792bd6595152d33 Mele_HTPC_Android 4.0_V1.img |
| 03:09.49 | lundman | MD5 (Mele_HTPC_Android 4.0_V1.img) = 14ee1c33b1929caad792bd6595152d33 |
| 03:10.37 | lundman | so yes |
| 03:11.33 | hno | Would you be able to provide a clean dd image of that firmware? Where the SD is first wiped clean. |
| 03:11.54 | lundman | if that would help I could |
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| 03:13.35 | lundman | the partitiontable should tell me the end of the data though, so no real reason to read in beyond the end |
| 03:14.34 | hno | the homlet dd image has lots of garbage mixed with the phoenix data, making it hard to see what is what. |
| 03:14.38 | lundman | but I guess it'd be safer to just read the whole thing in, then truncate when the nulls start |
| 03:15.01 | hno | I would not trust the partition table on those. It's kindo of a dummy. |
| 03:15.05 | lundman | no guarantee that when mele guys made the image, that they didnt have rubbish too |
| 03:15.15 | lundman | it is indeed a dummy |
| 03:16.15 | hno | the homlet dd image have leftover garbage from earlier use of the SD mixed with the homlet data, not from the firmware file. |
| 03:20.21 | lundman | ok zeroed |
| 03:22.23 | lundman | "burning" |
| 03:38.44 | hno | crap, the hiddent boot partition in phoenix images is dangerous. Need to reboot.. linux fat driver hang bringing half of the system with it. |
| 03:39.35 | lundman | and reading |
| 03:42.43 | lundman | huh they added dvd/bluray playback.. I need to plug in my dvddrive see if that works too :) |
| 03:43.43 | hno | back |
| 03:51.04 | lundman | 25% |
| 03:51.50 | lundman | maybe I should have plugged it into a real usb port, instead of the keyboard one |
| 03:52.15 | lundman | hindsight is 1.0/1.0! |
| 03:57.41 | hno | no hurry |
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| 05:01.21 | lundman | back from lunch :) |
| 05:06.00 | lundman | ok, image is 1505d410 until just zeros |
| 05:06.41 | hno | firmware should start as 0x2500000 |
| 05:07.05 | hno | and dummy FAT just after. |
| 05:07.37 | lundman | -rw-r--r-- 1 lundman admin 352714752 Jul 2 14:07 out.bin |
| 05:07.51 | lundman | 00001c00 50 48 4f 45 4e 49 58 5f 43 41 52 44 5f 49 4d 47 |PHOENIX_CARD_IMG| |
| 05:07.54 | lundman | 00002000 b0 00 00 ea 65 47 4f 4e 2e 42 54 30 8d 01 99 e7 |....eGON.BT0....| |
| 05:08.11 | lundman | 01b81c00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| |
| 05:08.14 | lundman | * |
| 05:08.17 | lundman | 02500000 2a 99 a2 80 46 d0 63 98 24 a2 62 04 93 1e 03 95 |*...F.c.$.b.....| |
| 05:08.21 | lundman | yep, all looking good |
| 05:09.34 | lundman | bzipping |
| 05:11.08 | hno | You could cut it at 0x2500000 I think. |
| 05:13.10 | lundman | dunno about that, the zeros start at 1505d410, so i cut there |
| 05:13.16 | lundman | -rw-r--r-- 1 lundman admin 268M Jul 2 14:07 Mele_HTPC_Android_4.0_V1.ddimg.bin.bz2 |
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| 05:13.52 | lundman | about the same size, so that's pleasing |
| 05:14.31 | hno | from 0x2500000 it's the firmware .img. And after that there should be just a dummy FAT partition for the rest of the disk. |
| 05:15.31 | hno | but it's good to have them combined, |
| 05:23.34 | lundman | anyway, its available |
| 05:23.41 | hno | thanks |
| 05:23.46 | lundman | http://lundman.net/ftp/mele/Mele_HTPC_Android_4.0_V1.ddimg.bin.bz2 |
| 05:24.33 | hno | DId not work. |
| 05:25.22 | lundman | more specifically? |
| 05:26.01 | hno | Only got a 415 bytes blank HTML snippet.. |
| 05:26.30 | hno | http://lundman.net/ftp/mele/Mele_HTPC_Android_4.0_V1.ddimg.bin.bz2 works |
| 05:26.43 | hno | odd. looks the same |
| 05:26.59 | lundman | one time freak out, who knows |
| 05:45.20 | DonkeyHotei | hipboi_: i'm a little confused with the messages you left on aliexpress |
| 05:45.28 | hipboi_ | hi |
| 05:45.33 | hipboi_ | sorry, just ignore it |
| 05:45.44 | hipboi_ | i left on the wrong order |
| 05:45.48 | DonkeyHotei | so, it hasn't shipped? |
| 05:48.24 | DonkeyHotei | hipboi_: if i go to the tracking link you left, it shows my name and address for Consignee |
| 05:48.49 | hipboi_ | really? |
| 05:49.07 | hipboi_ | then it must be yours |
| 05:49.17 | hipboi_ | what's the status now |
| 05:50.25 | DonkeyHotei | Arrived at Espeed Post |
| 05:50.25 | DonkeyHotei | RA652755992CN |
| 05:55.56 | hipboi_ | ok, it must be right |
| 05:56.16 | hipboi_ | i will confirm tonight, and fill on aliexpress |
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| 06:03.33 | Lupul | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.56 | hipboi_ | Lupul: how do you know? |
| 06:04.14 | Lupul | i have sent you a msg a couple days back |
| 06:04.42 | hipboi_ | really? i haven't received it |
| 06:04.53 | hipboi_ | i think i replied every message |
| 06:05.02 | Lupul | cn1000676148 : Failed to send message. The receiver's offline message box is full. |
| 06:05.03 | hipboi_ | i check 3 times a day |
| 06:05.23 | hipboi_ | Lupul: oh, thanks |
| 06:05.34 | Lupul | np |
| 06:05.35 | hipboi_ | Lupul: aliexpress is so bad |
| 06:05.58 | hipboi_ | Lupul: i will check if there is a way to clean the message box |
| 06:06.19 | hipboi_ | anything can mail me, Mr.hipboi@gmail.com |
| 06:06.40 | Lupul | thx |
| 06:13.48 | lundman | hmm i think I'll write a moviewall app for android, its what I want next for my mele |
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| 06:41.19 | TomNL | hipboi_: did you manage to send the mele? |
| 06:44.14 | lundman | shh, he's sending my shit first :) |
| 06:44.33 | TomNL | hehe :) |
| 06:45.05 | TomNL | lundman: did you figure out the audio problems you were facing? all playback good now? |
| 06:45.40 | lundman | well, with official mele, and audiopatch 1.3, I feel confident audio will work. taking player home tonight to try everything |
| 06:46.04 | TomNL | ok sounds good |
| 06:55.58 | hno | lundman, thanks for the phoenix dump. Resulted in https://github.com/amery/sunxi-tools/blob/master/phoenix_info.c |
| 07:31.27 | hipboi_ | TomNL: which mele? |
| 07:34.54 | DonkeyHotei | the chinese one :P |
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| 09:19.15 | mnemoc | Turl: oops. true. pushed wip/linux-3.4-sunxi/forward now |
| 09:22.09 | lundman | ok watching falling skies on mele |
| 09:22.37 | lundman | sound is ok now, but yeah, wifi is just not realistic to play video |
| 09:22.43 | lundman | so, had to use wired |
| 09:23.32 | lundman | and wired nic is still NG for >720p, so might get a usbether adapter |
| 09:27.28 | rm | I have retested my USB Ethernet dongle, and it does 93 Mbit both in and out on an MK802 |
| 09:30.41 | lundman | yeah shame mele needs extra hardware to be usable, well, for streaming playback |
| 09:33.32 | rm | there's a patch for the wemac driver, no? |
| 09:33.36 | rm | tweaking udelays |
| 09:33.46 | lundman | yes, i wrot eit |
| 09:33.55 | lundman | it makes it much better |
| 09:34.03 | mnemoc | it's already merged... |
| 09:34.04 | lundman | but its still a nic with only PIO mode |
| 09:34.29 | rm | USB NICs are pretty much PIO too, no? |
| 09:34.58 | lundman | the USB bus is very good, I tried a apple usbether, no jerking at all |
| 09:37.00 | lundman | not that I found any REAL specs on the wemac, but still |
| 09:37.22 | lundman | there are drivers much more detailed, that are almost identical, like dm9000. |
| 09:41.08 | lundman | hmm yeah even in fallingskies I can see the occasional stutter |
| 09:54.40 | Quarx | mnemoc: hello, do you know about always wake up device with screen off? |
| 09:55.25 | Quarx | [pm]platform wakeup, wakesource is:0x11 |
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| 09:57.27 | lundman | anyone know exactly what the nic is? pci product number or chip number? |
| 09:59.20 | mnemoc | Quarx: can you add your discoveries to https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/42 ? |
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| 10:00.53 | Quarx | mnemoc: it is not my problem |
| 10:01.18 | Quarx | my device don't go to suspend |
| 10:01.27 | Quarx | always resume by 0x11 |
| 10:02.18 | mnemoc | Quarx: then file a different issue |
| 10:03.19 | Quarx | i'm about this http://quarx2k.ru/other/dmesg.txt , only "ERR: hcd is null" already fixed |
| 10:03.22 | Quarx | ok |
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| 10:12.14 | mnemoc | Quarx: I'm sorry to not been able to follow you at the moment. but I have lot of work to do. the solving those problems is important.. that's why we need the tickets |
| 10:12.38 | mnemoc | s/the/but/2 |
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| 10:18.28 | gnexus | mnemoc: good morning. |
| 10:34.30 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Lauri master * raab589983cb5 /allwinner_a10/orders/bionik.mdwn: |
| 10:38.28 | rm | # CONFIG_TUN is not set |
| 10:38.30 | rm | ....f*ck |
| 10:39.12 | rm | also, is there a way to get rid of the "aid_inet" nonsense? |
| 10:39.42 | mnemoc | disabling android paraiod networking maybe? |
| 10:40.14 | mnemoc | gnexus: moin |
| 10:40.37 | mnemoc | rm: for linux you should using sun4i_defconfig, which doesn't have CONFIG_ANDROID_PARANOID_NETWORK |
| 10:40.47 | lundman | which is good |
| 10:43.09 | mnemoc | hno: is phoenix_info to analyze the .img files or the phoenixcard-ized result? |
| 10:44.29 | gnexus | mnemoc: spain won! |
| 10:45.04 | mnemoc | gnexus: had any doubt? |
| 10:45.15 | mnemoc | :) |
| 10:46.39 | gnexus | mnemoc: no. . . |
| 10:46.55 | mnemoc | I did :p |
| 10:47.32 | gnexus | mnemoc: i did not even watch the game. . . |
| 10:47.58 | gnexus | i'm not big into soccer, football and rugby are more my thing |
| 10:48.26 | gnexus | soccer tends to bore me ;) |
| 10:49.06 | gnexus | mnemoc: put a link to the wiki at a10linux.org front page |
| 10:49.39 | gnexus | anything else i should put there? |
| 10:50.20 | gnexus | that will take no effort. . . ;) |
| 10:50.36 | mnemoc | moving content shouldn't take much |
| 10:51.01 | gnexus | yes it would. . . |
| 10:52.18 | gnexus | i'd rather spend my time on the software... |
| 10:52.40 | gnexus | debian is working very well now! |
| 10:53.09 | gnexus | 1325 pkgs installed! |
| 10:54.23 | gnexus | mnemoc: how to tune sysctl.conf to take advantage of swap? |
| 10:54.54 | gnexus | Swap: 524284 71392 452892 |
| 10:57.53 | lundman | hmm ok ps3eye on mele did not work at all :) |
| 11:00.16 | mnemoc | gnexus: busy at work. sorry. there are several online resources about tuning linux systems |
| 11:02.29 | gnexus | mnemoc: no prob, i have it mostly figured out already. just wondered if you had any quick hints. |
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| 11:51.38 | lundman | ok ti really need to figure out how to change .config without it just overwriting my changes |
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| 13:40.19 | Turl | is github's TJC around? |
| 13:46.15 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Matteo master * r8eeb8fc96923 /allwinner_a10/orders/mmuatoact.mdwn: |
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| 14:23.01 | Turl | btw, I noticed HIGHMEM is enabled @ https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/arch/arm/configs/sun4i_defconfig |
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| 14:58.18 | mikey_w | Anyone have the sata interface working properly on a mele A1000? |
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| 15:04.39 | TomNL | hipboi: any luck with shipping my mele:) |
| 15:05.09 | hipboi | which is your order |
| 15:05.38 | TomNL | 1010153909 |
| 15:10.44 | hipboi | it's already shipped, on 6.27 |
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| 15:30.04 | Lupul | hipboi, do you have any information about the SATA problem mikey_w is been reporting ? |
| 15:35.34 | xxiao | 's mele2000 was also shipped, thanks to hipboi |
| 15:36.06 | traeak | what's the sata problem he's having? |
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| 15:36.23 | traeak | just curious, my sata was runing at high speed but now it slowed down for some reason |
| 15:37.02 | DonkeyHotei | hipboi: were you able to verify the shipment? aliexpress still shows nothing |
| 15:37.25 | xxiao | DonkeyHotei: i got an email fro aliexpress told me it's shipped this morning |
| 15:37.34 | DonkeyHotei | espeedpost shows 收寄局封发, about three hours ago |
| 15:37.59 | DonkeyHotei | xxiao: i didn't |
| 15:38.26 | hipboi | DonkeyHotei: your order number? |
| 15:39.19 | DonkeyHotei | 1010461438 |
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| 15:40.42 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-07-02 08:38:29 AM PDT] <hipboi> DonkeyHotei: your order number? |
| 15:40.42 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-07-02 08:39:07 AM PDT] * _hipboi_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 15:40.42 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-07-02 08:39:23 AM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> 1010461438 |
| 15:40.42 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-07-02 08:40:33 AM PDT] * _hipboi_ (~hipboi@123.89.254.153) has joined #arm-netbook |
| 15:41.22 | _hipboi_ | sigh, the free vpn disconnect every 20 minutes |
| 15:41.49 | xxiao | _hipboi_: you need vpn to access freenode? stranage |
| 15:42.23 | _hipboi_ | no, vpn to access google docs |
| 15:42.50 | _hipboi_ | with i can edit the same document with my friends at the same time |
| 15:43.02 | xxiao | i c |
| 15:43.29 | DonkeyHotei | maybe you can route to freenode outside the vpn when you do that |
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| 15:45.35 | DonkeyHotei | so, which is the actual EMS tracking number, the one ending in US, or the one ending in CN? |
| 15:46.07 | mnemoc | CN |
| 15:46.52 | DonkeyHotei | because china post's own tracking has no record of either one |
| 15:47.40 | Lupul | traeak, he can acces the sata only on read/only mode, and df is reporting 2G partition size (ex2/ext3/ext4) |
| 15:47.57 | traeak | ahh bad problems |
| 15:48.06 | traeak | i had awesome read speeds a couple of weeks ago |
| 15:48.14 | traeak | and now they've droped and are inconsistent |
| 15:48.50 | Lupul | how large is you hdd ? |
| 15:48.57 | Lupul | sata 1 or sata 2? |
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| 15:49.58 | xxiao | was sata working at all? under either ubuntu or android? |
| 15:50.14 | xxiao | by working I meand read/write etc, i.e. fully working |
| 15:50.23 | xxiao | and sata2 |
| 15:51.00 | xxiao | does Allwinner have chip errata, it's not uncommon that silicon has issues with sata |
| 15:51.32 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-07-02 08:45:38 AM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> so, which is the actual EMS tracking number, the one ending in US, or the one ending in CN? |
| 15:51.32 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-07-02 08:46:11 AM PDT] <mnemoc> CN |
| 15:51.32 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-07-02 08:46:56 AM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> because china post's own tracking has no record of either one |
| 15:51.34 | DonkeyHotei | _hipboi_: ^ |
| 15:53.12 | Lupul | xxiao, i think mikey_w tested only the android version |
| 15:56.47 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: espeedpost gets the tracking number before actually reposting the package |
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| 16:00.11 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: china post takes ~3-4 days to get the tracking into system |
| 16:01.04 | mikey_w | Yes just ICS |
| 16:01.22 | Turl | hipboi_: does my package get any kind of tracking? |
| 16:04.28 | mnemoc | Turl: aliexpress sellers have to give tracking numbers for every order |
| 16:04.50 | Turl | mnemoc: I didn't buy it through aliexpress :) |
| 16:05.32 | mnemoc | :) |
| 16:05.55 | A2Sheds | AMD G-T16R APU with an average power of only 2.3 Watts |
| 16:06.20 | DonkeyHotei | i will be out of town from july 10 to july 12 and i really hope the delivery is not during that time |
| 16:06.23 | A2Sheds | running a Winbench 99 business graphics benchmark the AMD G-T16R APU consumed an average of 2.284W. I/O Controller Hub power is estimated based on the measured average power drawn by the I/OCH of .965W during a run of 3DMark 06. System Configuration: AMD G-T16R APU (DVT) at 30°C, Inagua Development Board, 4GB 1.35V DDR3, Windows 7 Ultimate. EMB-26 |
| 16:08.32 | traeak | winbench |
| 16:08.53 | A2Sheds | huh, single core 615MHz, and 276MHz GPU clocks |
| 16:09.10 | traeak | some new processor that's out? |
| 16:09.22 | A2Sheds | lower power AMD APU |
| 16:09.23 | traeak | what;s the link to original? |
| 16:09.38 | A2Sheds | http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/49282_G-Series_platform_brief.pdf |
| 16:09.47 | A2Sheds | T16R |
| 16:10.04 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: don't worry, it usually takes more like 15-20 days |
| 16:10.07 | A2Sheds | the T24L is 5W at 1GHZ |
| 16:10.09 | traeak | how far from vapor is this? |
| 16:10.23 | A2Sheds | the APU is shipping |
| 16:10.49 | A2Sheds | even order them through Arrow |
| 16:11.16 | A2Sheds | http://www.amd.com/us/products/embedded/processors/Pages/g-series.aspx?elq=111d4b44e6004643b54b13ad9ebb676e&elqCampaignId=670 |
| 16:11.40 | A2Sheds | AMD Radeon HD 6250 |
| 16:16.30 | traeak | so like the A10 it's ~7USD or so per chip? |
| 16:17.03 | A2Sheds | not sure, but probably $50 |
| 16:17.33 | traeak | hmm |
| 16:17.34 | A2Sheds | then again AMD does have some low pricing |
| 16:17.34 | traeak | anyways |
| 16:17.54 | traeak | they want to sell windows stuff since that allows them to charge $$$ |
| 16:18.07 | traeak | trying to go head to head with current arm stuff is probably suicide |
| 16:18.24 | A2Sheds | they might come around |
| 16:18.31 | A2Sheds | they did change management |
| 16:19.13 | A2Sheds | they stated taking over the low end of the netbook, laptop market |
| 16:19.23 | A2Sheds | not sure what they can do next |
| 16:20.51 | gnexus | i'm making a video of the sid install! |
| 16:21.26 | TomNL | any new on xbmc progress? |
| 16:22.27 | A2Sheds | http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bobcat/AMD-G-Series%20G-T16R%20-%20GET16RFWB12GVE.html |
| 16:25.36 | traeak | seems intel wants some of that back |
| 16:25.53 | traeak | 64bit support is nice |
| 16:26.12 | traeak | i predict arm can't be serious competitors for a few more years |
| 16:26.17 | traeak | on the desktop i mean |
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| 16:28.58 | A2Sheds | upper management at many of these co's seem to be out of touch with reality, they really get stuck on their plans no matter what the market wants |
| 16:29.20 | traeak | its sadly overly typical |
| 16:29.21 | A2Sheds | was it really a surprise that HP bombed with their tablet |
| 16:29.40 | traeak | dunno if people have gotten stupider or what |
| 16:29.55 | traeak | notice HP is now ditching windows8 arm tablet since M$ released theirs |
| 16:30.09 | A2Sheds | now the facebook kardashian tablet would sell |
| 16:30.11 | traeak | and i wonder if they really really believe they can make money off an x86 based tablet |
| 16:30.45 | traeak | natural business cycle needs to kick in. the windows OEMs have been around for too long and are pretty rotten internally |
| 16:31.27 | A2Sheds | RIM is nearly dead now as well |
| 16:31.55 | traeak | rim also asked for it |
| 16:32.22 | A2Sheds | Google has money to burn |
| 16:32.45 | A2Sheds | waiting to see if they come up with anything |
| 16:33.43 | A2Sheds | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2188489/googles-nexus-tablet-infringes-nokia-patents |
| 16:34.00 | traeak | they need to burn money on my company so they can save shitloads themselves :-p |
| 16:34.14 | A2Sheds | sounds like a plan |
| 16:34.17 | traeak | but seriously these patents are a joke |
| 16:34.35 | traeak | we're working with one of the oblique data providers to pretty much automate precision processing |
| 16:34.48 | A2Sheds | it will probably get sorted out in the next 30-40 years |
| 16:34.49 | traeak | ie: we have a solution for that, getting traction is a huge PITA |
| 16:34.56 | xxiao | google: time to buy nokia, after motorola that is, for its patents,hehe |
| 16:35.03 | traeak | MS has those |
| 16:35.08 | traeak | the fscking trolls |
| 16:35.27 | traeak | basically if that shit isn't killed the US will continue a nose dive economically |
| 16:35.33 | A2Sheds | pretty sad state |
| 16:35.58 | A2Sheds | but the quest for a decent ARM board continues |
| 16:36.15 | A2Sheds | ST-Ericsson dissapeard as well |
| 16:36.46 | A2Sheds | disappeared even |
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| 16:37.27 | A2Sheds | they join Linaro, make the snowball boards and then don't sell parts |
| 16:39.41 | A2Sheds | http://armdevices.net/category/chip-provider/st-ericsson/ whats the point if you can't buy devices? |
| 16:40.19 | xxiao | A2Sheds: forgot about snowball, it melt and has no future as far as i can tell |
| 16:40.20 | A2Sheds | http://armdevices.net/2012/03/02/st-ericson-l9540-1-85ghz-arm-cortex-a9/ but where do you buy them?? |
| 16:40.49 | A2Sheds | they certainly don't want to trade money for parts |
| 16:41.32 | specing | 0.o I was programming FPGAs today! |
| 16:41.41 | xxiao | unlike freescale,ti,samsung who have engineers working _with_ linaro, snowball is pretty much all dependent on linaro, which says something |
| 16:41.47 | A2Sheds | xilinx, altera? |
| 16:42.07 | A2Sheds | specing, ^^ |
| 16:42.27 | specing | gnexus: please, no videos, we are not retarded |
| 16:42.36 | specing | A2Sheds: Xilinx Spartan3E |
| 16:42.57 | A2Sheds | specing, one of the xilinx dev boards? |
| 16:43.18 | specing | nope, digilent nysomething 2 |
| 16:43.57 | A2Sheds | http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,400,792&Prod=S3EBOARD |
| 16:44.12 | A2Sheds | I have that one |
| 16:45.18 | A2Sheds | specing: http://www.sump.org/projects/analyzer/ might come in handy for you |
| 16:48.50 | specing | It is not that one |
| 16:49.15 | specing | http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,400,789&Prod=NEXYS2 |
| 16:49.22 | A2Sheds | http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/epp/zynq-7000/index.htm not sure of the prices |
| 16:49.58 | specing | let me guess: WAY_TO_FCKING_MUCH |
| 16:50.01 | specing | $ |
| 16:50.04 | xxiao | owns a NEXYS2 |
| 16:50.14 | A2Sheds | 00MHz ARM® dual-core Cortex-A9 MPCore, >10X SW acceleration with Programmable Logic |
| 16:50.15 | xxiao | good stuff, and cheap |
| 16:50.21 | A2Sheds | 800MHz |
| 16:50.22 | specing | Im doing this @summer school, I have no devices here |
| 16:51.14 | A2Sheds | http://www.xilinx.com/products/zynq-7000/linux.htm Zynq-7000 EPP Linux Solution |
| 16:51.58 | gnexus | specing: it's not for you, or anybody else here... |
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| 16:53.05 | gnexus | specing: if you want more devs to help you must promote the platform. . . |
| 16:53.09 | specing | And I probably wont own a FPGA in the future due to unobtainable tools. |
| 16:54.21 | gnexus | specing: else everyone will be eating crappy Raspberry pies. . . |
| 16:54.59 | traeak | hehe |
| 16:55.34 | traeak | gnexus: maybe, maybe not. they have some very serious problems with the rpi which i hvaen't seen anything about progress on fixing them |
| 16:55.41 | specing | gnexus: As much as I want for people to start hacking, I believe that video tutorials assume an audience of lesser inteligence. |
| 16:56.06 | specing | And a thus an insult to the hacker community |
| 16:56.08 | specing | are* |
| 16:56.31 | specing | But that is just my humble oppinion |
| 16:57.04 | gnexus | specing: it is certainly not a tutorial |
| 16:57.06 | A2Sheds | whats the latest phone with open-ish hardware? Motorola Androids or still the Nokia's? |
| 16:57.38 | specing | A2Sheds: open hardware? umm none? |
| 16:57.48 | gnexus | specing: it just shows what is possible to do on the platform. . . |
| 16:58.11 | specing | the most open of them all is probably the freerunner |
| 16:58.16 | A2Sheds | Motorola milestones |
| 16:58.22 | specing | but it is overpriced and it sucks |
| 16:58.28 | specing | gnexus: ok |
| 16:58.32 | A2Sheds | N900? |
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| 17:27.19 | gnexus | 629.7 MB. . . |
| 17:28.17 | gnexus | A2Sheds: older one is N900, newer one is N9 |
| 17:28.58 | gnexus | A2Sheds: both are obsolete now, and have many closed Nokia pkgs also. . . |
| 17:29.38 | gnexus | i have N800, not phone, but better screen than N900 |
| 17:29.49 | mnemoc | Elop's mass murdering :< |
| 17:30.14 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: http://romanrm.ru/ master * r4b5095ea374c /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/server.mdwn: updated prebuilt server debs |
| 17:30.27 | gnexus | mnemoc: MS troll. . . |
| 17:30.52 | gnexus | mnemoc: but Nokia was going downhill way before him |
| 17:31.13 | gnexus | he just finished the job, that's all. . . |
| 17:31.21 | traeak | n900 has the craptastic microusb |
| 17:31.30 | hno | mnemoc, phoenix_info analyses phoenix card images. Not livesuit images. |
| 17:31.31 | traeak | they tend to break and are a total bitch to repair |
| 17:32.12 | gnexus | traeak: that and the crappy screen are the reason I never did get one. |
| 17:32.34 | gnexus | and Nokia's crappy attitude toward many pkgs. . . |
| 17:32.53 | hno | traeak, indeed.. have two broken ones. Need to find a hotair smd rework statuion to fix them. |
| 17:32.59 | gnexus | Broadcom screwed us on the N800 wlan driver. . . |
| 17:33.19 | gnexus | they never would open the sources. . . |
| 17:33.42 | gnexus | so I'm still stuck w/ ancient kernel on it . . . |
| 17:34.07 | traeak | hno: didn't get abused enough by the first so had to get another? :-p |
| 17:34.51 | gnexus | traeak: my power jack is broken on the N800. . . |
| 17:34.52 | A2Sheds | doesn't Gentoo run on the Droids? |
| 17:35.15 | specing | does on mine |
| 17:35.47 | gnexus | specing: can you get it to run native? |
| 17:35.50 | specing | yep |
| 17:36.00 | specing | I get to the login prompt @ a10 |
| 17:36.03 | gnexus | specing: awesome! |
| 17:36.45 | specing | gnexus: http://linux-sunxi.org/A10-MID |
| 17:36.52 | gnexus | I have Debian sid now with way more than a login prompt! |
| 17:37.52 | gnexus | specing: I need to work on my serial port. . . |
| 17:37.57 | hno | traeak, me and my wifes. |
| 17:38.10 | hno | s/me/mine/ |
| 17:38.11 | gnexus | but I'm too busy w/ Debian image. . . |
| 17:39.07 | gnexus | hno: you are like mnemoc with "wifes," one is enough for me, though! |
| 17:39.17 | gnexus | :) |
| 17:39.18 | mnemoc | gnexus: wife's != wives |
| 17:39.19 | hno | gnexus, only one. |
| 17:39.43 | gnexus | hno: wifes = wives. . . |
| 17:40.14 | gnexus | hno: wife's = property of the wife. |
| 17:40.21 | gnexus | :) |
| 17:40.27 | hno | gnexus, I know, and I know you know what I mean, and I know this channel is not about details in english language. |
| 17:40.28 | traeak | hehe |
| 17:40.33 | traeak | for a while there i just swapped batteries |
| 17:40.40 | gnexus | ha. ha.... |
| 17:40.41 | traeak | but got sick of waiting for the damn thing to reboot |
| 17:41.15 | traeak | plus it would lose my clock settings most of the time on reboot |
| 17:41.18 | gnexus | hno: j/k. . . |
| 17:41.40 | traeak | anyways |
| 17:42.52 | hno | mine mostly works still, but is not entirely reliable for charging. My wife's is more broken and need to swap battery for charging. |
| 17:43.38 | gnexus | my camera is crap! |
| 17:43.41 | hno | but it's only a matter of time before the usb port on mine is completely dead as well. |
| 17:43.55 | gnexus | video is fuzzy and grainy. . . |
| 17:45.39 | traeak | so now i'm back to some ancient flip phone |
| 17:46.05 | traeak | any suggestions for a smartphone with good battery that makes good calls? (i guess flip phone nmostly fits that) |
| 17:53.21 | gnexus | traeak: I just have the cheapest Nokia candybar phone. no need to flip anything. |
| 17:53.45 | gnexus | great for calls and battery lasts forever. . . |
| 17:54.08 | gnexus | still use the N800 for everything else. . . |
| 17:54.56 | gnexus | bought my A10 tablet to replace the N800, but 7" is too big :( |
| 17:55.24 | gnexus | they need a 4-5" A10/A13 tablet. |
| 17:55.27 | traeak | i put my phone in my pocket so i like the extra protection |
| 17:55.42 | traeak | thx tho.... |
| 17:56.15 | gnexus | traeak: keys huh? |
| 17:57.08 | gnexus | my phone is fine in my pocket, but I have a sleeve for the N800. |
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| 18:09.34 | TomNL | gimli: any luck on progressing with xbmc? |
| 18:11.07 | gimli | TomNL: not realy. be in contact with tom about that |
| 18:11.56 | TomNL | gimli: ah ok :) thnx for the update |
| 18:12.53 | traeak | gnexus: used to be...at the tiem i only had one front pocket available |
| 18:29.04 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Ed master * r035ba1e7cf48 /allwinner_a10/orders/munchausen1.mdwn: |
| 18:29.48 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Ed master * rb40e0112ef19 /allwinner_a10/orders/munchausen1.mdwn: |
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| 20:46.49 | xxiao | talking about VPU, any IC vendor is licensing Mali-VE3/VE6? and how about Neon? |
| 21:07.57 | Turl | xxiao: pretty much every single ARMv7 has neon extensions right? the only exception as far as I know is tegra2 |
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| 21:09.45 | traeak | boo hiss (tegra2) |
| 21:12.17 | A2Sheds | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.30 | A2Sheds | that explains the bloat |
| 21:13.48 | madmalkav | argh. alcatel |
| 21:14.36 | traeak | ugh |
| 21:14.37 | A2Sheds | how many more years of crazy do we have to put up with before they stop this nonsense? |
| 21:14.41 | traeak | html and javascript |
| 21:14.44 | traeak | lovely marriage |
| 21:15.20 | mnemoc | go dart go! |
| 21:21.01 | traeak | ugh |
| 21:21.35 | mnemoc | it's much nicer (or less vomitive) to write than javascript |
| 21:22.06 | mnemoc | back to webapp coding :< |
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| 21:26.45 | xxiao | Turl: right, but who is using for video codec? not sure if it's even preferrable. |
| 21:27.22 | xxiao | Turl: it appears to me nobody is using ARM's codec design, i.e. VE3/VE6, or I just don't know |
| 21:34.35 | Turl | VLC supports NEON |
| 21:34.48 | Turl | I tried vlc app, works OK on A10 for SD content |
| 21:34.50 | Turl | chokes on 720p |
| 21:35.09 | Turl | B2G is pretty nice imo |
| 21:35.18 | RITRedbeard | Anyone know anything vaguely about the TCC 8925? It's Cortex A5 / Mali 400 |
| 21:36.17 | RITRedbeard | Sort of like MK802 little brother if you just look at CPU, GPU, onboard RAM and ignore the feature set/internal architecture. So I'm curious :) |
| 21:37.04 | xxiao | TCC used to be hard to work with |
| 21:37.21 | mnemoc | Turl: isn't that running purely on cpu? |
| 21:37.31 | xxiao | just spotted the A10 netbook, anyone played with one? |
| 21:37.39 | RITRedbeard | link? |
| 21:37.43 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah, NEON are cpu extensions |
| 21:37.45 | mnemoc | xxiao: A2Sheds has one |
| 21:38.13 | xxiao | with extra LCD screen and keyboard, the price is close to mele? |
| 21:38.38 | xxiao | i guess it's less hackable than mele |
| 21:38.47 | mnemoc | Turl: then it's more than expectable it chokes on 720p :) |
| 21:38.54 | xxiao | A2Sheds: how is that A10 netbook? |
| 21:39.56 | Turl | mnemoc: btw, did you read my earlier comment re. highmem? |
| 21:40.10 | A2Sheds | xxiao, it's in China now, not so great, bad case, trackpad, cheap keyboard, issues with keyboard and camera |
| 21:40.23 | mnemoc | Turl: yes, but didn't see a like to the commit to merge :) |
| 21:40.34 | A2Sheds | it neds software help but we are too busy |
| 21:40.37 | xxiao | A2Sheds: pretty bad |
| 21:40.39 | A2Sheds | needs even |
| 21:41.10 | A2Sheds | they used the same case as those cheap VIA and rockchip netbooks |
| 21:42.47 | RITRedbeard | From what I've read 10.1", 1024x600 (run away!) |
| 21:42.52 | Turl | mnemoc: what would the commit need to do? :P it's a config option |
| 21:43.05 | mnemoc | change defconfigs? |
| 21:43.46 | mnemoc | but I'm in jquery mode, so most braincells are on strike |
| 21:44.00 | Turl | mnemoc: pretty much the same over here |
| 21:44.02 | A2Sheds | there's no reason why a nice netbook could not be made with the A10 |
| 21:44.32 | Turl | but on wordpress-css-html-php-js-fixit mode |
| 21:44.45 | mnemoc | uh, that's even worse |
| 21:45.14 | xxiao | A2Sheds: well, for sub-100USD it will be filled with chip/phony components, for 100+ why not ATOM, which should be a little more "powerful" |
| 21:45.23 | xxiao | s/chip/cheap/ |
| 21:45.55 | mnemoc | xxiao: A10's VPU kicks any cheap x86 out of the picture |
| 21:46.05 | Turl | for ~60 you can get an atom board with intel vga and motherboard |
| 21:46.10 | Turl | need to add ram |
| 21:46.14 | Turl | which say it's 30 |
| 21:46.22 | Turl | you can get a nvidia ion x86 one for ~ the same |
| 21:46.35 | Turl | mini-atx usually |
| 21:46.40 | A2Sheds | AMD apu boards are also poping up now, not a big Intel fan anymore |
| 21:46.54 | A2Sheds | no docs |
| 21:47.22 | A2Sheds | my local Intel FAE doesn't even know how to get BIOS docs |
| 21:48.46 | A2Sheds | though the coreboot devs at Google did port Sandybridge |
| 21:48.58 | A2Sheds | still no docs |
| 21:49.09 | xxiao | real embedded guy never look at x86 |
| 21:49.12 | xxiao | :) |
| 21:50.23 | A2Sheds | Chromebook sales are supposedly up, anybody know anyone who has one? |
| 21:50.58 | mnemoc | they are all intel... |
| 21:51.07 | A2Sheds | yeah |
| 21:52.01 | DonkeyHotei | i don't see any compelling reason the chromebooks need to be x86 and not arm |
| 21:52.10 | DonkeyHotei | yet they are |
| 21:52.22 | xxiao | google tv was a good demo for x86 |
| 21:52.47 | A2Sheds | google did the ARM deal with Marvell for GoogleTV |
| 21:52.50 | DonkeyHotei | the google tv box is x86? |
| 21:53.04 | xxiao | seen so many SOCs, it pains me to even think about x86+northbridge+southbridge+blahblah |
| 21:53.09 | Turl | mnemoc: this is hack on top of hack :P (codebase) |
| 21:53.21 | xxiao | googletv was x86, now it's not |
| 21:53.51 | A2Sheds | http://www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/armada-1500/assets/Marvell-Google-TV-Reference-Platform.pdf |
| 21:54.05 | xxiao | with Mele, who needs google-tv anymore? |
| 21:54.06 | DonkeyHotei | x86 _is_ hack on top of hack |
| 21:54.21 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: I'm completely offtopic |
| 21:54.25 | A2Sheds | now using Armada 1500 |
| 21:54.53 | A2Sheds | http://www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/armada-1500/ |
| 21:58.33 | xxiao | marvell won't talk about anything without NDA, it's just less evil |
| 21:59.03 | xxiao | and...it won't sign NDA with 'small-players' |
| 22:01.10 | A2Sheds | Marvell seems to be happy to sell the 4 core devices without GPU's |
| 22:03.21 | A2Sheds | http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/armada-xp/ |