| 00:00.52 | mnemoc | hno: the only module that failed to compile the forward to 3.4 was the androidized rtl8192 |
| 00:01.02 | hno | [henrik@home kernel]$ git remote | wc -l |
| 00:01.02 | hno | 17 |
| 00:01.59 | hno | mnemoc, nice. |
| 00:02.11 | mnemoc | hno: from what branch should I take your 3.3..3.4 core fixes? |
| 00:03.31 | mnemoc | as "quick fix" for the wifi stuff I was thinking I moving the allwinnerization to the mainlined driver and trash this one |
| 00:03.39 | hno | linux-3.3-sun4i or linux-3.3-sun4i-minimal. Both should have the same fixes. |
| 00:03.51 | mnemoc | 3.4 ones? |
| 00:03.54 | Turl | mnemoc: the driver has no allwinerization |
| 00:04.00 | Turl | other than turning on the device |
| 00:04.04 | Turl | see my hack-module |
| 00:04.14 | mnemoc | Turl: yes, that's what I meant |
| 00:04.27 | mnemoc | Turl: move that turning on thing to the mainlined driver |
| 00:04.29 | hno | mnemoc, right. no. linux-sun4i-minimal |
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| 00:04.48 | Turl | mnemoc: but the driver should not be responsible for turning on the device |
| 00:05.01 | Turl | the driver kicks in when you plug the usb device |
| 00:05.06 | xxiao | i downloaded the android tarball from xda i think, it's pointing to git@github.com:allwinnerwk/platform_libcore.git |
| 00:05.16 | mnemoc | Turl: agree, driver should not deal with that. |
| 00:05.57 | xxiao | mnemoc: where is android repo for a10? |
| 00:05.58 | hno | xxiao, allwinnerwk is an account maintained by allwinner. The interesting stuff have restricted access. |
| 00:06.11 | xxiao | hno: no wonder i can not repo sync |
| 00:06.25 | mnemoc | Turl: pragmatic doubt is, do I disable wifi support until we implement the perfect fix, or move the hack to the maintained driver? |
| 00:06.28 | Turl | hno: is it really allwinner's? |
| 00:06.44 | mnemoc | xxiao: Turl's github |
| 00:07.01 | Turl | mnemoc: or permanently enable that usb? |
| 00:07.08 | xxiao | Turl: plz give a pointer, did not find your android repo info on mnemoc's wiki site |
| 00:07.23 | Turl | xxiao: if you wait a bit I'll write a wiki page on it |
| 00:07.29 | hno | Turl, yes, but it's not the official repository. It's an account used by marketing to publish things to some of their customers. |
| 00:07.30 | xxiao | Turl: sure, thanks |
| 00:08.23 | xxiao | hno: it's a shame they did not open that to public, they could keep the NDA stuff in binary there |
| 00:08.41 | mnemoc | xxiao: Turl promised to add the info about building a10 android to the wiki this weekend |
| 00:08.52 | xxiao | mnemoc: great, i will wait |
| 00:09.05 | hno | xxiao, the NDA exists not because they want to hide but to limit distribution. |
| 00:09.24 | xxiao | the kernel checkout is just 30%, i'm going to try remote branch instead |
| 00:11.17 | hno | Hm.. local branching from one repository to another runs at <1MByte/s.. |
| 00:11.21 | ZaEarl | Here's a simple writeup of how we build for our A10 tablet: https://github.com/zareason/android_local_manifest |
| 00:12.01 | hno | allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 alone is 474MB. |
| 00:14.36 | xxiao | ZaEarl: nice, what's Zatab |
| 00:14.53 | ZaEarl | xxiao, our 9.7" A10 tablet. |
| 00:16.46 | xxiao | turns out remote update is much better, a whole checkout is about 1.4G, remote update is just 70MB |
| 00:19.53 | hno | xxiao, sounds about right. |
| 00:19.53 | xxiao | mnemoc: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/branches it's a challenging for me to know which branch is for what |
| 00:20.06 | hno | xxiao, there is a wiki |
| 00:20.50 | hno | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/wiki |
| 00:22.30 | xxiao | thanks |
| 00:22.51 | xxiao | full checkout from github for kernel: 31 mins, remote-branch checkout: 2 mins |
| 00:27.37 | mnemoc | going to sleep |
| 00:27.41 | mnemoc | good night |
| 00:28.32 | mnemoc | Turl: you created a page as a template... |
| 00:29.19 | xxiao | it's pretty touch in europe considering A10 hacking are going along with soccer game |
| 00:29.23 | xxiao | good nite |
| 00:29.27 | xxiao | s/touch/tough/ |
| 00:32.19 | mnemoc | now good night for real |
| 00:32.34 | Turl | xxiao: http://linux-sunxi.org/Building_CyanogenMod_for_ZaTab |
| 00:32.39 | Turl | night mnemoc |
| 00:38.54 | ZaEarl | looking good |
| 00:40.00 | ZaEarl | how about switching the instructions to use openjdk instead of sun? |
| 00:44.02 | xxiao | Turl: looks great. thanks for the quick write-up |
| 00:44.19 | Turl | ZaEarl: good idea |
| 00:44.36 | xxiao | ZaEarl: you may want to put a link to ZaTab? |
| 00:44.40 | Turl | they're mostly a copy of CM's own instructions on their wiki :) |
| 00:46.16 | Turl | dome ZaEarl |
| 00:46.19 | Turl | done* |
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| 03:30.30 | steev | Turl: log out and back in rather than reboot for the bin path change (or just export it), rebooting is silly when you're not in windows ;) |
| 03:30.55 | Turl | steev: I didn't write most of that :P |
| 03:31.12 | steev | Turl: own it! :P |
| 03:31.17 | steev | ugh |
| 03:31.38 | Turl | steev: it's a wiki though, you're free to edit :) |
| 03:31.43 | steev | boo! |
| 03:31.45 | steev | yeah i am |
| 03:31.52 | steev | ieven have n account there |
| 04:17.25 | lundman | woo 60M |
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| 08:02.28 | specing | Hello |
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| 08:31.14 | specing | Anyone has an idea how to hunt for the RX pin? |
| 08:43.24 | ZaEarl | you found tx? |
| 08:49.08 | specing | I hate minicom -.- |
| 08:49.11 | specing | ZaEarl: yeah |
| 08:49.24 | specing | ZaEarl: http://linux-sunxi.org/A10-MID |
| 08:52.44 | ZaEarl | rx has to be nearby |
| 08:53.32 | specing | Well dunno, I tried bridging pins from its tx output through a resistor (idk which value) and nothing |
| 08:58.09 | specing | Hmm the mmc doesen't get initialised before the kernel VFS panics |
| 09:01.13 | specing | I'll add rootwait |
| 09:09.35 | specing | got the login prompt! |
| 09:09.43 | specing | sadly no rx pin as of yet |
| 09:16.09 | specing | Are the A10 pins 3.6V tolerant? |
| 09:19.38 | specing | nah, scratch that |
| 09:21.53 | specing | How reliable is the wifi atm? |
| 09:22.02 | specing | Does it run with 3.0.36? |
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| 09:33.00 | specing | < > Serial Gadget (with CDC ACM and CDC OBEX support) |
| 09:33.42 | specing | mnemoc, hno: Have any of you managed to get a serial port over the cable with it? |
| 09:33.50 | specing | Is it even possible? |
| 09:34.42 | specing | Also < > CDC Composite Device (Ethernet and ACM) |
| 09:34.58 | ZaEarl | specing, which wifi? |
| 09:35.49 | specing | rtl8192 I think |
| 09:35.58 | specing | Im not sure where I put the proc dump |
| 09:36.11 | ZaEarl | the driver supports a lot of different chips |
| 09:36.18 | ZaEarl | it's ok |
| 09:38.43 | specing | Im currently looking at the serial gadget |
| 09:39.04 | specing | I wish somebody with a hackable mele could get it to work and tell me what to do |
| 09:39.08 | specing | no rx >_> |
| 09:43.26 | specing | Im not sure what of the following three would be easier: |
| 09:43.33 | specing | 1) find the rx pin |
| 09:43.51 | specing | 2) get the usb gadget serial to work (possibly with ethernet) |
| 09:44.00 | specing | 3) get the wifi to work |
| 09:44.11 | specing | updates wiki |
| 10:01.56 | lundman | 87M! |
| 10:02.17 | lundman | speccing: personally, I find screen to be better than minicom |
| 10:05.01 | specing | screen doesen't seem to have logging capabilities |
| 10:05.20 | specing | I like screen too, though I switched to tmux half a year ago |
| 10:05.55 | specing | I'm logging serial output for future reference |
| 10:06.05 | specing | lundman: Do you have a mele? |
| 10:06.20 | specing | lundman: Care to take a look at 2^? |
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| 10:11.34 | lundman | heh |
| 10:11.36 | lundman | wait, reading |
| 10:11.57 | lundman | ok, so screen, you do ^A-H to log |
| 10:12.09 | lundman | in ^A-? it is under "log" :) |
| 10:12.25 | specing | But I cant get timestamped logs |
| 10:12.40 | specing | logs/YYYYMMDD-HH-MM-SS.log |
| 10:13.23 | lundman | ^A :logtstamp on |
| 10:13.37 | lundman | oh, filename with date, not dates on the lines? |
| 10:13.49 | specing | yes |
| 10:13.54 | lundman | ^A : lofile filename |
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| 10:14.12 | lundman | where filename can ise log.%d.%M.%y |
| 10:14.30 | lundman | so, whats this about ^2? |
| 10:14.34 | specing | meh lundman... |
| 10:14.50 | specing | slaps lundman around with a working minicom config |
| 10:14.58 | lundman | nobody should have to use minicom :) |
| 10:15.42 | specing | lundman: Do you have a mele? |
| 10:15.57 | lundman | yep |
| 10:15.58 | specing | lundman: Do you have a mele with a working normal Linux distro? |
| 10:16.24 | lundman | it is running ICS4 at the moment, but ubuntu is on SD |
| 10:16.29 | specing | lundman: Can you enable CDC gadgets under the kernel's USB config and test it out? |
| 10:16.42 | lundman | CDC? |
| 10:16.48 | specing | yes |
| 10:17.13 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.34 | lundman | I can try, but only on monday alas :) |
| 10:18.40 | specing | why monday? |
| 10:21.08 | specing | -.- |
| 10:21.19 | specing | And where are hno and mnemoc? |
| 10:21.24 | specing | >_> |
| 10:21.27 | specing | rumbles |
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| 10:22.48 | specing | ddg's g_serial |
| 10:26.31 | lundman | left mele in the office |
| 10:29.51 | specing | Why do you all have meles @ work? |
| 10:30.03 | specing | seems silly to me >_> |
| 10:30.47 | lundman | I have to most time to code, compile etc there. it doesnt work as a mediaplayer yet |
| 10:33.55 | specing | The kernel's documentation is quite verbose |
| 10:34.00 | specing | Im going to try it blindly |
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| 10:48.14 | rzk | anyone tried to setup sunxi kernel LXR? |
| 10:49.06 | mnemoc | rzk: I could... url? |
| 10:49.11 | gnexus | rzk: what is LXR? |
| 10:49.17 | rzk | linux cross reference |
| 10:49.21 | specing | INIT: Id "s1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes lol |
| 10:49.28 | mnemoc | rzk: url with instructions I mean |
| 10:49.31 | gnexus | rzk: ok thanks |
| 10:49.44 | specing | mnemoc! |
| 10:50.03 | mnemoc | specing: |
| 10:50.15 | specing | mnemoc: Do you have a mele handy? |
| 10:50.18 | specing | mnemoc: g_serial |
| 10:50.22 | mnemoc | specing: nope |
| 10:50.45 | mnemoc | specing: the gadget driver needs to be reimplemented |
| 10:51.00 | mnemoc | specing: it's hacked in the wrong place |
| 10:51.06 | specing | D: |
| 10:51.12 | specing | So it doesen't work? |
| 10:51.22 | mnemoc | i don't know |
| 10:51.24 | mnemoc | maybe |
| 10:51.39 | specing | :S I hope it does |
| 10:51.51 | rzk | mnemoc: mm, I dont know url for instructions, I will google for that, afaik its done by perl cgi script |
| 10:51.58 | specing | as far as my experience goes, wifi is a major pain in the *** |
| 10:52.04 | mnemoc | rzk: hate perl :( |
| 10:52.34 | specing | mnemoc: I've updated the wiki :P |
| 10:52.53 | rzk | http://lxr.sourceforge.net/en/index.shtml |
| 10:54.48 | mnemoc | rzk: I'll try to get it running this weekend |
| 10:54.55 | rzk | thanks |
| 10:59.25 | specing | mnemoc: It does not work |
| 11:01.15 | specing | mnemoc: Is the wifi usage documented somewhere? |
| 11:01.16 | hno | specing, 5 kids to keep an eye on. |
| 11:01.22 | specing | hno: 5?!? |
| 11:01.27 | lundman | prime number |
| 11:01.27 | hno | have 6. |
| 11:01.47 | specing | ugh |
| 11:03.27 | mnemoc | *respect* |
| 11:03.49 | hno | 1 is upstairs attached to a 90KG pacifier. 5 outdoors playing. |
| 11:09.37 | lundman | uh |
| 11:11.05 | gnexus | Shuttleworth and Murdock were battling it out on my tablet |
| 11:11.22 | gnexus | Murdock won so I had to reboot it |
| 11:11.31 | gnexus | ;) |
| 11:13.01 | gnexus | back to normal now, but it interrupted installing the debs |
| 11:14.22 | gnexus | it is not a good thing to have two instances of NetworkManager... |
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| 11:14.57 | gnexus | Write failed: Broken pipe is what happened... |
| 11:16.05 | specing | Any wifi info anywhere? |
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| 11:21.07 | specing | mnemoc, hno: is the wifi configuration documented somewhere? |
| 11:26.07 | specing | 0bda:8176 RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN |
| 11:26.17 | specing | Does it work with 3.0.36? |
| 11:30.50 | specing | Is it documented somewhere? |
| 11:30.54 | specing | *the setup |
| 11:33.40 | specing | http://fbeats.com/contact.html |
| 11:36.12 | specing | Wait, is the framebuffer console active @ startup? |
| 11:42.04 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: http://romanrm.ru/ master * r455d32ec91c5 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/server.mdwn: +add a pre-built server kernel |
| 11:51.17 | gnexus | Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd. - so now A10's will make a very good NAS at least! |
| 11:53.37 | gnexus | specing: "Setting up mtd-utils", but that deb won't work for A10 - so how do you setup the NAND on it? |
| 11:54.04 | gnexus | what NAND tools to use on the A10? |
| 11:54.21 | gnexus | that is the big question for me right now |
| 11:55.25 | specing | no clue, I just manipulate /dev/block/nandX nodes like normal disks |
| 11:57.51 | gnexus | specing: how do you partition the NAND though? |
| 11:57.59 | gnexus | just use fdisk? |
| 11:58.05 | specing | no |
| 11:58.10 | specing | Dont partition it |
| 11:58.39 | gnexus | specing: NAND has to be partitioned to be used... |
| 11:58.48 | specing | it is already partitioned |
| 11:59.04 | specing | nand{1,2,3,4,...} are the partitions |
| 11:59.07 | gnexus | specing: I don't want those partitions... |
| 11:59.28 | specing | use mmc for now |
| 12:00.19 | gnexus | specing: so no support to manipulate the NAND? that is what I assumed... |
| 12:00.45 | gnexus | specing: mmc is fine for now |
| 12:00.59 | gnexus | android can be uselful at times... |
| 12:01.55 | specing | gnexus: the values are probably hardcoded in the nand driver |
| 12:02.38 | gnexus | specing: the NAS guys are not going to like that at all! |
| 12:02.48 | gnexus | but they can use the mmc |
| 12:03.38 | gnexus | specing: actually doesn't LiveSuite manipulate the partitions? |
| 12:03.41 | libv | crap chinese. my mele is at the customs office because no bill was attached to the outside of the package |
| 12:03.56 | libv | customs office == goodbye 3-4h of my life. |
| 12:04.08 | specing | libv: hehe |
| 12:04.18 | gnexus | libv: i should check the tracking on mine |
| 12:04.19 | specing | libv: didn't hipboi gift-wrap it? |
| 12:04.50 | libv | of which 20 minutes are watching some poor guy in a glass box fill out the customs amount in a big ledger |
| 12:04.53 | gnexus | specing: i hope hipboi marked mine as mfr sample |
| 12:05.09 | libv | specing: i wanted an A1000, which hipboi didn't have in stock anymore |
| 12:05.33 | libv | it remains to be seen whether $some_stupid_ebay_seller_from_hk actually did send me an A1000 |
| 12:05.39 | gnexus | or else i'll be paying $100 in import duties |
| 12:06.20 | specing | hehe |
| 12:07.12 | specing | Anyone has any clue about wifi? |
| 12:07.38 | specing | lundman? |
| 12:08.05 | libv | this is 4h i cannot use for lima, just as i have a week to bring up q3a natively on top of the current limare infrastructure |
| 12:08.21 | libv | then it's paid customer work again :( |
| 12:08.41 | specing | :( |
| 12:08.55 | specing | libv: heh, I have 3 months mostly free now |
| 12:09.31 | libv | specing: make good use of it, enjoy the summer, but also get some hacking time in and help your species :) |
| 12:09.57 | specing | I am currently not enjoying summer at all |
| 12:10.01 | specing | too hot >_> |
| 12:10.15 | mnemoc | that's why the pools were invented :p |
| 12:10.22 | gnexus | there are a million fake china post tracking sites! |
| 12:10.24 | specing | expensive |
| 12:10.44 | mnemoc | gnexus: fake? |
| 12:10.49 | gnexus | real one: http://www.ems-tracking.net/ |
| 12:11.00 | gnexus | all the others are clones... |
| 12:11.12 | mnemoc | the "official" tracking sites of each country are usually collapsed |
| 12:11.40 | mnemoc | there are other service sites which help you searching the state of packages in different countries in a more decent way |
| 12:11.45 | mnemoc | that doesn't make the fake |
| 12:12.13 | gnexus | mnemoc: fake was the wrong word to use. |
| 12:12.24 | mnemoc | my favourite is http://17track.net/IndexEn.html |
| 12:12.39 | gnexus | mnemoc: thanks! |
| 12:15.35 | mnemoc | specing: in 3.0 use the allwinnerized rtl8192cu driver, not the rtlwifi one |
| 12:16.52 | specing | Ok, hdmi fbcon does not work |
| 12:17.07 | specing | mnemoc: is there a wiki on how to setup the connection? |
| 12:17.17 | specing | mnemoc: I only have uart tx >_> |
| 12:17.19 | mnemoc | specing: that's distro specific |
| 12:17.55 | specing | mnemoc: Is it wpa-supplicant compatible? |
| 12:17.59 | mnemoc | yes |
| 12:18.25 | specing | Ok, then I will look into android for wpa configs |
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| 12:22.17 | specing | I assume I dont have to take care of firmware, right? |
| 12:26.32 | gnexus | guess what! chinapost is already shipping to Chinese space station! |
| 12:26.36 | gnexus | http://space.chinapost.com.cn/ |
| 12:26.49 | mnemoc | the firmware is inlined in the driver |
| 12:27.20 | gnexus | space post office of China! |
| 12:27.54 | gnexus | do they have something up there that they are not telling us about? |
| 12:29.55 | gnexus | it looks like Soyuz, not Shenzhou |
| 12:31.17 | gnexus | 太空邮局 |
| 12:32.38 | gnexus | anyway here is correct China Post Tracking site: http://intmail.183.com.cn/ |
| 12:35.07 | gnexus | why are all chinese sites so slow, but *.gov.cn loads instantly? ;) |
| 12:36.22 | gnexus | they need an A15-based supercomputer for their firewall |
| 12:36.51 | mnemoc | gnexus: http://www.planetaryresources.com |
| 12:37.30 | lundman | woo 100M |
| 12:38.24 | gnexus | mnemoc: so that's where the space post office of China is sending all the mail! |
| 12:39.52 | gnexus | china already has most of the rare earths, now they will have all the rare asteroid metals too! |
| 12:40.42 | mnemoc | the guy from virgin was into something similar too |
| 12:40.58 | gnexus | my A2000 is still at Beijing airport... |
| 12:41.24 | mnemoc | check by destination too |
| 12:42.13 | gnexus | last item i bought from china the guy sent with a bad address so they would send it back |
| 12:42.27 | mnemoc | that's a thing i love from 17track.net, they merge origin and destination info |
| 12:42.44 | gnexus | that way he had eBay proof of shipping but did not actually send item to me |
| 12:45.56 | specing | ha |
| 12:47.07 | mnemoc | how much do screen protectors ruin IPS screens? |
| 12:47.50 | gnexus | mnemoc: ruin? |
| 12:48.00 | mnemoc | degrade image quality |
| 12:48.55 | gnexus | a bit, but not too bad usually, but they degrade touch sensitivity a lot |
| 12:49.09 | gnexus | apt-get install mythtv-backend mythtv-frontend mythweb |
| 12:49.20 | gnexus | that will take a long time... |
| 12:49.39 | gnexus | After this operation, 293 MB of additional disk space will be used |
| 12:49.42 | mnemoc | gnexus: don't expect mythtv to use A10's VPU |
| 12:50.38 | gnexus | mnemoc: i'm just installing it to pull in all the restricted multimedia libs |
| 12:50.48 | gnexus | it does a nice job at that! |
| 12:51.07 | gnexus | not planning to actually try to use it... |
| 12:51.23 | gnexus | still need gpg key... |
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| 12:59.36 | gnexus | mnemoc: is the rootfs partition number hardcoded in somewhere i don't know about? |
| 13:00.40 | gnexus | i never could get another partition than #2 to boot... |
| 13:01.12 | gnexus | sorry about the "#2" |
| 13:01.25 | gnexus | did it again... |
| 13:01.55 | gnexus | how do you escape the pound sign on irc? |
| 13:03.50 | specing | ? |
| 13:04.53 | mnemoc | gnexus: use utf-8 |
| 13:05.32 | gnexus | i don't know how to change that in konversation irc client yet |
| 13:06.20 | gnexus | Konversation features automatic UTF-8 detection and can support different encodings in different channels |
| 13:07.18 | gnexus | but type a pound sign and it shows on my client as a link to another channel |
| 13:08.03 | mnemoc | £ |
| 13:08.27 | gnexus | anyway, I don't think utf-8 will help u-boot use a different rootfs partition... |
| 13:08.38 | mnemoc | gnexus: the root partition is passed as an argument to the kernel by the bootloader |
| 13:09.59 | gnexus | mnemoc: so why, even after recompiling uboot with a different kernel argument, does it still boot from part 2? |
| 13:10.26 | gnexus | I even dumped the uboot env to be certain... |
| 13:10.52 | gnexus | it was set as part 3, but it boots from part 2 |
| 13:11.29 | gnexus | so there must be something else involved somewhere... |
| 13:11.31 | RaYmAn | gnexus: and /proc/cmdline shows part 3? |
| 13:12.33 | gnexus | RaYmAn: i didn't even think of checking that... why not i wonder ? nice idea! |
| 13:13.46 | gnexus | RaYmAn: root=/dev/mmcblk0p2, but I'm uncertain which uboot I'm on now... |
| 13:14.03 | gnexus | i will try it with my version later... |
| 13:14.31 | gnexus | wish i had a serial console, that would solve the prob |
| 13:14.51 | gnexus | no fw_setenv for A10 yet? |
| 13:15.39 | gnexus | should work with correct env mem address |
| 13:18.05 | specing | gnexus: find the serial :P |
| 13:24.36 | gnexus | specing: hno helped me find it. I just need to connect it. It is too busy installing Debian right now for me to take it back apart. |
| 13:24.42 | hno | gnexus, the Allwinner nand driver emulates a block device. |
| 13:25.02 | hno | with wear levelling |
| 13:25.05 | gnexus | hno: I figured that much out... |
| 13:25.17 | gnexus | hno: wear levelling - NICE! |
| 13:25.51 | gnexus | hno: but how could fw_setenv access the memory for the uboot env? |
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| 13:26.49 | gnexus | hno: is there a way to bypass the nand driver and read/write memory directly? |
| 13:27.09 | gnexus | in linux? |
| 13:27.46 | gnexus | hno: could you just use the correct mem address in fw_setenv |
| 13:28.01 | gnexus | or will that not work? |
| 13:29.14 | gnexus | anybody know the nand address for uboot env? |
| 13:29.49 | gnexus | it's in the code but im too busy with ebian to look |
| 13:31.44 | hno | gnexus, the env is stored as a file in nanda. |
| 13:32.04 | hno | i think. not sure. Don't use the Android u-boot at all. |
| 13:32.32 | hno | the mmc u-boot stores the env on the sdcard. |
| 13:33.52 | hno | specing, it's just a normal USB wifi. The only twist is that they have added some magics to power on/off the USB controller when wlan is enabled/disabeld. |
| 13:34.39 | gnexus | hno: i have no env file stored in nanda |
| 13:34.49 | gnexus | #define CONFIG_ENV_OFFSET (544 << 10) /* (8 + 24 + 512)KB */ |
| 13:35.01 | hno | that's the mmc u-boot. |
| 13:35.09 | hno | how are you booting? from nand or sdcard? |
| 13:36.10 | gnexus | hno: yes. thank you for correcting me. I meant uboot on SD . where is that stored? |
| 13:36.54 | hno | https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/wiki |
| 13:36.56 | gnexus | how do i convert CONFIG_ENV_OFFSET into an exact mem address? |
| 13:37.13 | hno | gnexus, SD cards is not memory. That's block storage. |
| 13:37.18 | gnexus | hno: i just posted CONFIG_ENV_OFFSET |
| 13:37.56 | specing | ^_^ |
| 13:37.56 | hno | gnexus, and I posted a wiki page where I explain how the sdcard is used by u-boot. |
| 13:39.11 | gnexus | hno: i read that. uboot env is stored on sd card at block 544 |
| 13:39.37 | gnexus | hno: but how can that be accessed by fw_setenv? |
| 13:40.05 | gnexus | hno: fw_setenv needs an exact mem address.. |
| 13:40.50 | gnexus | the uboot for SD should have env stored as a file in part 1... |
| 13:41.11 | gnexus | need a way to edit it. |
| 13:41.53 | hno | gnexus, you need an fw_setenv that knows how to access env as a file and/or block storage offset. |
| 13:42.49 | gnexus | hno: fw_setenv --> block storage offset |
| 13:43.13 | gnexus | hno: uboot itself --> access env as a file. |
| 13:43.14 | hno | but fact is, you don't need an uboot environment at all. |
| 13:43.35 | gnexus | hno: supposedly a script works... |
| 13:43.38 | hno | the mmc uboot accesses the env as block storage |
| 13:45.07 | gnexus | uboot access nothing as block storage afaik |
| 13:45.18 | gnexus | always uses direct addresses |
| 13:45.37 | hno | dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1024 seek=544 count=128 of=env.file |
| 13:45.41 | gnexus | of block storage.. |
| 13:46.08 | hno | if you want it as a file |
| 13:46.54 | gnexus | hno: but importing the edited file back in will likely not work |
| 13:47.04 | gnexus | hno: so that is no use to me |
| 13:47.16 | gnexus | i already know what is there |
| 13:47.32 | hno | as I said you need to make sure fw_setenv knows how to access it. Either as offset in block storage or as a file. |
| 13:47.47 | hno | same thing really. |
| 13:47.57 | gnexus | hno: i will need to look at the fw_setenv code... |
| 13:48.20 | gnexus | connecting a serial line would be easier ;) |
| 13:49.58 | hno | why do you need to modify the env? |
| 13:50.16 | hno | generally easier to use a boot.scr |
| 13:51.59 | gnexus | hno: i don't like using boot.scr. |
| 13:52.11 | hno | why? |
| 13:52.25 | gnexus | hno: added level of possible failure. |
| 13:53.13 | gnexus | hno: you already have the env. so why not just use that? |
| 13:54.14 | gnexus | unfortunately the current a10 likely does not have an import env command. |
| 13:54.26 | gnexus | a10 uboot i meant |
| 13:54.52 | gnexus | newer uboot version has many added features! |
| 13:55.08 | gnexus | the old one is rubbish. |
| 13:56.43 | gnexus | my A10 debian is asking for a MySQL password! |
| 13:57.00 | gnexus | A10 database server! |
| 13:58.17 | specing | debian, probably the only distro which requires you to be present for installing |
| 13:58.33 | gnexus | specing: PITA... |
| 13:58.43 | specing | Gentoo doesen't... |
| 13:59.01 | gnexus | specing: i hate all the install prompts. |
| 13:59.43 | specing | hehe |
| 13:59.46 | gnexus | you could bypass them but MySQL would still need a password. |
| 14:00.10 | specing | There are no install prompts with Gentoo until you *explicitly* ask it to require confirmation |
| 14:00.26 | gnexus | specing: nice! |
| 14:00.28 | specing | Also services in init.d are not automatically activated |
| 14:00.33 | specing | like debcrap |
| 14:00.38 | gnexus | specing: even better! |
| 14:01.10 | gnexus | and then start two NetworkManagers like earlier... |
| 14:01.58 | gnexus | at least the packages were configured before the wlan died |
| 14:02.55 | gnexus | i should really get a full size bluetooth keybd and mouse set... |
| 14:03.29 | gnexus | but then I would also need another desk and monitor.. |
| 14:05.11 | hno | sun4i#env |
| 14:05.12 | hno | env - environment handling commands |
| 14:05.12 | hno | Usage: |
| 14:05.12 | hno | env default -f - reset default environment |
| 14:05.12 | hno | env export [-t | -b | -c] addr [size] - export environment |
| 14:05.12 | hno | env import [-d] [-t | -b | -c] addr [size] - import environment |
| 14:05.16 | hno | env print [name ...] - print environment |
| 14:05.20 | hno | env run var [...] - run commands in an environment variable |
| 14:05.22 | hno | env save - save environment |
| 14:05.24 | hno | env set [-f] name [arg ...] |
| 14:08.30 | gnexus | hno: AWESOME!!! woo hoo! |
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| 14:09.10 | gnexus | hno: didn't think A10 uboot version was that new. |
| 14:10.10 | gnexus | i think i'm going to release my sid sdcard image with mythtv packages still on it! |
| 14:10.28 | mnemoc | hno: isn't it confusing to call that tool `env` ? |
| 14:10.42 | gnexus | just to piss of the XBMC and Raspi guys ;) |
| 14:11.17 | gnexus | mnemoc: I want that tool! |
| 14:11.27 | gnexus | where is it? |
| 14:16.13 | gnexus | here is something interesting: http://free-electrons.com/blog/mkenvimage-uboot-binary-env-generator/ |
| 14:16.25 | gnexus | might do the job! |
| 14:18.29 | gnexus | i think that is exactly what I was looking for actually! |
| 14:18.44 | gnexus | "This utility has proven to be really useful" |
| 14:19.04 | gnexus | "It also allows to very easily generate a different environment image per-device, for example to contain the device MAC address and/or the device serial number." |
| 14:19.46 | gnexus | of course on the A10 that infor is in script.bin. Correct? |
| 14:21.20 | Triffid_Hunter | specing: so you're the one I'll be bugging when my mele arrives and I want to use my gentoo boxent to build an SD image for it? |
| 14:21.31 | specing | yep |
| 14:22.53 | Triffid_Hunter | specing: got any links to useful background reading? I've made arm roots before, but the mele sounds like it has a fairly insane boot process, certainly more complex than the others I've worked with |
| 14:23.16 | specing | Triffid_Hunter: Not much more than http://linux-sunxi.org/A10-MID |
| 14:23.17 | Triffid_Hunter | my previous arm devices' bootloaders would happily pull any old kernel over tftp and run them |
| 14:24.05 | Triffid_Hunter | thanks |
| 14:24.30 | specing | When is it scheduled to arrive? |
| 14:24.41 | specing | I wont have much time next week due to summer school |
| 14:25.35 | specing | Triffid_Hunter: We will need a portage overlay for the xorg patches among others |
| 14:25.38 | Triffid_Hunter | specing: DX confirmed my payment yesterday, so a few weeks probably |
| 14:25.51 | specing | Why didnt you buy from hipboi? |
| 14:26.02 | Triffid_Hunter | didn't know |
| 14:26.06 | specing | ah |
| 14:26.52 | Triffid_Hunter | I got two, one can stay as an android set-top box for the kids until things are really schmicky on the real linux side |
| 14:27.55 | specing | Eh, my desk is full of electro equipment right now |
| 14:28.02 | Triffid_Hunter | the other one I want to use to run a 3d printer remotely, so xorg can wait, I'll be working on getting ssh and usb stuff working first |
| 14:28.26 | specing | well the usb stuff appears to be all hacked apart |
| 14:28.42 | specing | I've already tried to get cdc console though.. nowthing |
| 14:28.55 | specing | nothing* |
| 14:29.26 | Triffid_Hunter | strange, wouldn't think that that would be particularly tricksy |
| 14:29.45 | specing | ssh should work through rtl8188 cus |
| 14:29.54 | specing | *should* |
| 14:30.02 | specing | I have yet to bring the wifi up |
| 14:30.27 | Triffid_Hunter | have ethernet, wifi will be handy but not immediately necessary on arrival |
| 14:30.50 | hno | mnemoc, how so? it's all about environment management. except for env run which is redundant with run |
| 14:31.08 | specing | Triffid_Hunter: Ah |
| 14:31.57 | hno | gnexus, we would be at current u-boot trunk if it wasn't for some conflicting ARM low level changes in 2011.11 which breaks the A10 SPL. |
| 14:32.07 | specing | Triffid_Hunter: I have a tablet here, so... |
| 14:32.42 | hno | main uboot changes works just fine in uboot trunk. |
| 14:34.51 | Triffid_Hunter | specing: heh won't get far w/o wifi on a tablet |
| 14:36.34 | hp__ | Triffid_Hunter: it makes perfect use for a reprap host :) |
| 14:36.46 | Triffid_Hunter | hp__: yeah that's the idea, hoping it can slice too |
| 14:37.30 | hp__ | Triffid_Hunter: i have a mele A2000 i've got printrun working .. but didn't plug arduino in yet |
| 14:37.58 | gnexus | hno: thanks. i think you or somebody told me that before |
| 14:38.24 | specing | Triffid_Hunter: You will be building a reprap? |
| 14:38.26 | gnexus | hno: I would try to help fix. But I know nothing about SPL yet... |
| 14:38.26 | specing | cool |
| 14:38.57 | gnexus | debian-multimedia is down now! |
| 14:39.09 | gnexus | never seen that happen. |
| 14:39.23 | gnexus | The server at deb-multimedia.org is taking too long to respond. |
| 14:40.56 | gnexus | Christian is going to be mad at me for taking down his site with my MythTV install! |
| 14:40.58 | mnemoc | hno: `env` is a POSIX command, so the name conflicts |
| 14:41.03 | gnexus | ;) |
| 14:41.27 | mnemoc | hno: ah, it's in the u-boot prompt |
| 14:41.32 | hno | uboot is not posix. |
| 14:41.39 | mnemoc | hno: I thought it was a userspace helper |
| 14:41.49 | hno | there is no userspace in uboot |
| 14:42.15 | mnemoc | hno: I mean "tool to modify the uboot env from linux's userpace" |
| 14:42.21 | gnexus | mnemoc: you had me thinking it was a userspace command! |
| 14:42.34 | Triffid_Hunter | specing: have built already ;) |
| 14:42.36 | gnexus | i always use "printenv" |
| 14:42.52 | Triffid_Hunter | specing: gives me lovely prints too :D |
| 14:43.00 | hno | mnemoc, thats fw_setenv |
| 14:43.35 | gnexus | i want to try that uboot binary env tool! |
| 14:43.50 | gnexus | too busy w/ debian now. |
| 14:44.10 | specing | Triffid_Hunter: awesome, I'd like one too! |
| 14:44.16 | gnexus | deb-multimedia.org is back up! |
| 14:44.30 | specing | loldebian |
| 14:45.21 | gnexus | specing: it has the best arm multimedia support! |
| 14:45.35 | gnexus | so you can't knock it. |
| 14:45.35 | specing | Im sure it does |
| 14:46.04 | gnexus | damn Fedora has none yet... |
| 14:46.14 | specing | And I can install both .debs and .rpms here along with standard gentoo pkgs |
| 14:46.21 | specing | beat that. |
| 14:46.34 | gnexus | specing: you really cant beat that! |
| 14:46.35 | mnemoc | hno: yes, that was my confusion. I thought you had made an special `fw_setenv` for own u-boot but called the bin `env` |
| 14:47.18 | gnexus | specing: but how fast do the sources take to compile? |
| 14:47.31 | specing | Where? On the A10? |
| 14:48.33 | gnexus | if you use .debs or .rpms on gentoo they need to be compiled like everything else. right? |
| 14:48.50 | specing | I haven't used any yet ;P |
| 14:49.03 | gnexus | specing: oh |
| 14:49.08 | rzk | mnemoc: |
| 14:49.18 | specing | Actually I have, a couple of years ago |
| 14:49.18 | rzk | its ok if I create ly-f1 page on linux-sunxi ? |
| 14:49.28 | mnemoc | rzk: sure |
| 14:50.16 | mnemoc | rzk: I just added some notes about my wife's at http://linux-sunxi.org/Icoo-d90w too |
| 14:51.04 | gnexus | mnemoc: wife's? you have more than one! |
| 14:51.39 | mnemoc | one wife is enough |
| 14:51.40 | gnexus | j/k |
| 14:51.48 | gnexus | no doubt |
| 14:52.19 | gnexus | debian install is done! |
| 14:53.27 | gnexus | my life would be much easier if i could just do "fw_setenv root=/dev/mmcblk0p7 init=/init loglevel=8 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait" |
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| 14:54.16 | gnexus | currently it is "mkfs.ext4 /dev/mmcblk0p2" |
| 14:54.43 | specing | ? |
| 14:54.52 | specing | gnexus: you can modify the uboot sources for that |
| 14:55.04 | specing | or hardcode it into the kernel |
| 14:55.31 | hno | or get a serial, or fix fw_setenv. |
| 14:55.36 | specing | hno: Can you include the 'rootwait' parameter in your uboot tree's env? |
| 14:55.51 | gnexus | specing: i tried compiling uboot w/ other kernel line and it did not work |
| 14:55.58 | hno | sure. |
| 14:56.12 | gnexus | specing: it still booted from mmcblk0p2! |
| 14:56.15 | specing | hno: It will save many reboots ;) |
| 14:56.30 | gnexus | we were discussing that earlier |
| 14:56.36 | specing | gnexus: you have to tell the kernel to hardcode it |
| 14:57.01 | gnexus | specing: how? |
| 14:57.29 | mnemoc | .config |
| 14:57.51 | gnexus | mnemoc: thats what i thought he meant... |
| 14:58.18 | gnexus | but i need a working kernel config first... |
| 14:58.23 | specing | gnexus: there is an option +- 5 lines from that line |
| 14:58.30 | gnexus | with hdmi that works... |
| 14:59.02 | gnexus | specing: which line? where? |
| 14:59.19 | gnexus | uboot code? |
| 14:59.34 | gnexus | or kernel code? |
| 14:59.36 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.39 | hno | specing, done. |
| 14:59.39 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.43 | specing | hno: thanks |
| 15:00.21 | gnexus | specing: CONFIG_EXTRA_ENV_SETTINGS |
| 15:00.37 | gnexus | specing: ?? |
| 15:02.39 | gnexus | mnemoc: is root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 line compiled into 3.0.8+ |
| 15:03.39 | mnemoc | only if you configured it that way |
| 15:05.39 | xxiao | anyone tried to use clang to build 32bit under 64bit os? |
| 15:07.56 | gnexus | mnemoc: yours is: CONFIG_CMDLINE="mem=448M@0x40000000 console=ttyS0,115200" |
| 15:08.57 | gnexus | mnemoc: but what about this kernel: cat /proc/version Linux version 3.0.8+ (tangliang@MServer) |
| 15:09.12 | mnemoc | gnexus: please don't assign property to the defconfig in the open tree |
| 15:09.55 | gnexus | mnemoc: that is .config from linux-allwinner. I did not touch it. |
| 15:09.56 | mnemoc | gnexus: 3.0.8+ usually comes from the closed tree maintained by allwinner |
| 15:10.45 | mnemoc | iirc tangliang is hipboi |
| 15:10.55 | gnexus | mnemoc: ;) |
| 15:11.32 | gnexus | mnemoc: any way to cat the default kernel config from it? |
| 15:11.44 | gnexus | w/o uboot getting in the way? |
| 15:12.19 | mnemoc | our tree has /proc/config.gz enabled by default, theirs doesn't |
| 15:12.26 | gnexus | it has to have the root hardcoded. |
| 15:12.38 | gnexus | in theirs... |
| 15:12.48 | gnexus | uboot could not change it |
| 15:12.55 | mnemoc | just build your our |
| 15:13.35 | gnexus | mnemoc: i will try again soon. i will compile in the hdmi modules this time. |
| 15:13.42 | hno | gnexus, https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/commit/55e1c46e148bf1eb2e24acf285da02c6fd315436 |
| 15:14.59 | gnexus | hno: i changed that to root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 and it had no effect. |
| 15:15.02 | hno | gnexus, only Tom knows what kernel parameters he used, but most likely a sun4i_defconfig in the Allwinner internal ICS kernel tree |
| 15:15.36 | gnexus | hno: i think he has root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 hardcoded... |
| 15:15.42 | hno | gnexus, do you have an environment on the sdcard? |
| 15:15.55 | gnexus | hno: yes |
| 15:16.08 | hno | then default env is not used |
| 15:17.00 | gnexus | so why, if it was root=/dev/mmcblk0p3, did it always boot from /dev/mmcblk0p2? |
| 15:17.23 | hno | gnexus, what do yu have in the env? |
| 15:17.33 | gnexus | hno: must be hardcoded into kernel |
| 15:18.00 | hno | so build your own |
| 15:18.37 | hno | but i doubt, |
| 15:19.00 | gnexus | dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=uboot.env bs=1024 seek=544 count=128 |
| 15:19.16 | hno | yes? |
| 15:19.41 | gnexus | root=/dev/mmcblk0p3panicarg=panic=10 |
| 15:20.05 | specing | gnexus: make menuconfig, dude |
| 15:20.11 | gnexus | hno: still boots from /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 15:20.47 | gnexus | specing: wtf are you taking about? |
| 15:21.12 | gnexus | on kernel? |
| 15:21.14 | specing | yes |
| 15:22.14 | gnexus | specing: linux-allwinner hdmi did not work for me since i used modules... |
| 15:22.45 | gnexus | specing: i need to build again w/ hdmi compiled in. |
| 15:22.57 | gnexus | then it should work |
| 15:23.25 | gnexus | at least now I know what the prob was! |
| 15:23.34 | gnexus | hipboi's kernel! |
| 15:23.47 | specing | Where is hipboi hiding these days? |
| 15:24.24 | gnexus | i must have rewritten uboot to sd a dozen times trying to boot from p3 |
| 15:24.46 | gnexus | i thought it was because i did not sync or something |
| 15:25.08 | gnexus | never seen the part hardcoded into a kernel before... |
| 15:25.21 | gnexus | stupid thing to do... |
| 15:25.58 | gnexus | unless you are trying to make life difficult for somebody ;( |
| 15:32.03 | mnemoc | those things are actually done with an honest believe of been *helping* people |
| 15:33.51 | mnemoc | saving inocent users from broken bootloaders |
| 15:34.11 | gnexus | mnemoc: we're saved! |
| 15:34.12 | specing | gnexus: you could actually change the digit in the kernel's binary, too |
| 15:34.17 | specing | ala hexedit |
| 15:34.37 | gnexus | specing: not worth the trouble... |
| 15:34.54 | specing | It takes a minute |
| 15:35.15 | gnexus | specing: almost worth it. but not quite... |
| 15:35.40 | gnexus | but it is getting more tempting by the second! |
| 15:36.05 | gnexus | specing: good linux hex editor? |
| 15:36.12 | mnemoc | hexedit |
| 15:36.30 | gnexus | mnemoc: :) |
| 15:36.47 | gnexus | i've only ever used them in windows |
| 15:36.52 | gnexus | nice ones there |
| 15:37.19 | gnexus | windows progs always need hex editing... |
| 15:37.20 | mnemoc | you can mount the vfat partition on windows too... |
| 15:37.37 | gnexus | mnemoc: duh.... |
| 15:37.55 | gnexus | i can also mount the ext3/4 ones! |
| 15:38.08 | gnexus | but i cant write to ext4 |
| 15:38.24 | gnexus | any progress on that? |
| 15:39.31 | gnexus | good reason (only reason!) to keep using ext3... |
| 15:40.21 | gnexus | bash: hexedit: command not found |
| 15:40.37 | gnexus | more debs to install... |
| 15:40.47 | specing | bash: somerandomlettercombination: command not found |
| 15:41.10 | gnexus | yum install hexedit |
| 15:42.33 | gnexus | apt-get yum install hexedit |
| 15:44.10 | gnexus | why would i need a mysql root password to install hexedit? |
| 15:44.18 | gnexus | debian... |
| 15:46.48 | hno | gnexus, use something that works |
| 15:46.56 | specing | hehe :) |
| 15:47.22 | hno | noticed gnexus talks about windows |
| 15:49.18 | DonkeyHotei | specing: OT, but did you still need a laptop battery replacement? |
| 15:49.50 | hno | specing, hipboi was here yesterday I think, or was it day before. And he do answer email withn 24 hours on technical matters. |
| 15:50.40 | specing | DonkeyHotei: I never needed one, this batt is 4 years old and still holds 80% of the original time |
| 15:51.03 | DonkeyHotei | wow |
| 15:52.06 | DonkeyHotei | i just found this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290723023659 |
| 15:52.13 | DonkeyHotei | i ordered one |
| 15:52.20 | gnexus | http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms |
| 15:52.29 | gnexus | A10 is not there yet... |
| 15:53.36 | gnexus | lots of OMAP... |
| 15:53.59 | gnexus | TI is too expensive... |
| 15:54.17 | specing | yes |
| 15:54.20 | gnexus | ...and they pissed me off on OMAP 2420 |
| 15:54.30 | gnexus | assholes... |
| 15:54.31 | rzk | gnexus: archlinux is not ready for expansion, they have no documentation on how to build arch-arm and how to contribute. |
| 15:54.37 | specing | Their ARM9 is like $10 in single quantity |
| 15:55.32 | rzk | also their irc channel is not quite friendly, I was nearly fucked off by them when I've asked where is the docs |
| 15:55.56 | gnexus | rzk: archlinux only contributes decent docs on some things... |
| 15:56.38 | gnexus | on mainstream arch they have good docs |
| 15:56.57 | gnexus | arch-arm is a joke... |
| 15:57.11 | gnexus | no docs at all... |
| 15:57.46 | gnexus | they just bleed off of jeff's site and ask stupid questions... |
| 15:58.25 | gnexus | only reason arch works at all on kirkwood is because of jeff! |
| 15:59.04 | mnemoc | wow, you are really in love of this jeff |
| 15:59.41 | gnexus | mnemoc: no. but he makes all the arch kirkwood bootloaders ;) |
| 16:00.00 | gnexus | they siphon them off of his site... |
| 16:00.27 | gnexus | no contributions, however... |
| 16:02.37 | gnexus | hexedit uImage |
| 16:03.59 | gnexus | where is "find and replace" command? |
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| 16:04.50 | gnexus | "find FF" replace with "00" ;) |
| 16:05.04 | gnexus | would that fix it? |
| 16:05.52 | specing | < gnexus> they just bleed off of jeff's site and ask _stupid questions_... :) |
| 16:11.10 | gnexus | i can't find any kernel command line in this kernel |
| 16:11.25 | gnexus | nothing to do with SPL is it? |
| 16:11.41 | gnexus | would that matter? |
| 16:12.24 | mnemoc | the spl only cares to load uboot |
| 16:13.00 | specing | gnexus: strings |
| 16:13.17 | specing | is checking out qemu tun/tap networking |
| 16:13.27 | gnexus | specing: yes strings... |
| 16:14.01 | gnexus | don't get me started on that! |
| 16:14.24 | specing | gnexus: strings |
| 16:14.30 | gnexus | fedora ipv6 gave me difficult time with tun/tap |
| 16:14.35 | A0Sheds | rzk: yeah, same experience with archlinux for ARM |
| 16:14.36 | specing | gnexus: strings | grep mmcblk0 |
| 16:15.27 | mnemoc | gnexus: uImage wraps zImage and so it's content is *compressed* |
| 16:15.28 | gnexus | specing: good idea! |
| 16:15.53 | gnexus | mnemoc: I forgot about that! |
| 16:16.06 | gnexus | hexedit will not work then... |
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| 16:16.54 | specing | mnemoc: not here |
| 16:17.39 | specing | Also see you later, Im about to break my computer's tcp/ip stack... |
| 16:17.49 | mnemoc | arch/arm/boot/Makefile:$(obj)/uImage: $(obj)/zImage FORCE |
| 16:18.43 | gnexus | i'll just mkfs.ext4 /dev/mmcblk0p2 for now... |
| 16:19.03 | gnexus | worry about booting other parts later... |
| 16:19.32 | gnexus | i enjoy deleting ubuntu anyway! |
| 16:19.45 | gnexus | always a fun thing to do! |
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| 16:29.05 | gnexus | sid looks like it is done! |
| 16:29.12 | gnexus | hope it boots... |
| 16:31.32 | gnexus | it's a bit too large: 4861204 |
| 16:31.49 | gnexus | 5GB SD card? |
| 16:32.18 | gnexus | with no room for user files... |
| 16:32.39 | gnexus | this will need to be an 8GB image... |
| 16:34.01 | gnexus | ubuntu is automounting the sd partitions |
| 16:34.11 | gnexus | i don't like that! |
| 16:40.30 | specing | gnexus: Gentoo doesen't |
| 16:41.12 | hno | Fedora does, but you can umount them from command line as normal user |
| 16:44.48 | specing | hno: its just a matter of having "user" in the 4th fstab column |
| 16:49.01 | mnemoc | pmount/pumount are nice too :p |
| 16:50.40 | gnexus | specing: :) |
| 16:50.55 | gnexus | neither does debian or fedora |
| 16:54.57 | gnexus | i'm going to go eat and then reboot the tablet w/ debian maybe... |
| 16:55.09 | gnexus | Slán go fóill. :) |
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| 17:13.16 | specing | fucking wicd was messing with my ifconfigs |
| 17:13.20 | gnexus | now I know why the sid image is so large! |
| 17:13.23 | specing | naughty bastard. |
| 17:13.37 | gnexus | ./usr/local/src/linux-allwinner/drivers/* is in there too! |
| 17:14.23 | gnexus | sid 8GB image will have the kernel source included! |
| 17:14.40 | hno | specing, there is no fstab entry. |
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| 17:14.41 | gnexus | make it easy for people to help... |
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| 17:15.19 | gnexus | if i delete linux-allwinner a 4GB should be easy to do... |
| 17:15.59 | specing | hno: then umount is suid root |
| 17:16.27 | hno | specing, it always is on any system supporting user umounts. |
| 17:17.33 | hno | well, technically capabilities could be used instead, but need quite much capabilities then so may just as well be setuid root. |
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| 17:18.18 | gnexus | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.51 | hno | Anyone know where the poweroff code is in the kernel? |
| 17:20.43 | specing | hno: yeah, it is suid here too |
| 17:20.54 | specing | hno: I guess they patched it |
| 17:21.23 | specing | well idk what they did |
| 17:21.46 | specing | gnexus: my current gentoo image is 700M |
| 17:22.04 | gnexus | hno: poweroff in the kernel i'm using just reboots... |
| 17:22.23 | gnexus | specing: base image only though? |
| 17:22.52 | hno | The original mele Android kernel power off proper... haven't tried current kernel actually. |
| 17:23.09 | hno | testing.. |
| 17:23.26 | hno | it powers off. |
| 17:23.40 | gnexus | hno: i'm using 3.0.8+ now. it reboots |
| 17:23.41 | specing | gnexus: yes, no xorg yet |
| 17:23.41 | hno | [ 77.420000] [axp] send power-off command! |
| 17:23.45 | specing | gnexus: or any other goodies |
| 17:24.10 | gnexus | but linux-allwinner powered off properly when i tried it. |
| 17:24.25 | specing | hno: grep -R 'send power-off command' linux/ |
| 17:24.46 | gnexus | specing: this has 10,000,000 different pkgs in it... |
| 17:25.33 | gnexus | what command in debian to display pkg number count? |
| 17:25.56 | mnemoc | dpkg -l | wc -l |
| 17:26.30 | gnexus | dpkg --list | wc --lines |
| 17:27.06 | mnemoc | -l doesn't work on debian anymore? |
| 17:27.50 | gnexus | 853 + Xorg + LXDE packages = ? |
| 17:28.02 | gnexus | over 1000 anyway... |
| 17:29.07 | gnexus | 2298404 w/o linux-allwinner... |
| 17:29.31 | gnexus | removing it makes the image much smaller! |
| 17:29.46 | gnexus | 4GB SD no prob! |
| 17:30.11 | gnexus | 8GB image can have linux-allwinner in it! |
| 17:31.43 | gnexus | mnemoc: -l works but --lines is easier to read |
| 17:32.43 | mnemoc | I can't imagine what you did in that linux-allwinner, but my local copy, with over a dozen remotes is less than 2G |
| 17:34.58 | gnexus | it has lichee branch also... |
| 17:35.15 | gnexus | i was trying to get hdmi working... |
| 17:35.26 | gnexus | didn't help... |
| 17:35.59 | mnemoc | if you are building your kernel, forget about the 3.0.8 branch. focus in linux-allwinner-3.0-v2 |
| 17:36.28 | gnexus | i have figured that out by now... |
| 17:37.19 | gnexus | i'm going to just delete the current one and clone it again...later |
| 17:37.38 | mnemoc | you don't need to re-clone it... |
| 17:37.40 | gnexus | then compile all the modules in |
| 17:38.00 | gnexus | that should solve the hdmi issue |
| 17:38.15 | gnexus | and the uboot part issue... |
| 17:38.21 | hno | drivers/power/axp/ |
| 17:38.43 | hno | gnexus, what uboot åart issue? |
| 17:38.51 | hno | s/å/p/ |
| 17:39.06 | gnexus | hno: git one... |
| 17:39.20 | hno | what issue? |
| 17:39.51 | gnexus | hno: no sorry, the partition issue were were talking about... |
| 17:40.21 | gnexus | hno: with the kernel root= compiled into 3.0.8+ |
| 17:40.34 | hno | gnexus, the root partition? It's not uboots fault if your kernel ignores it's command line. |
| 17:40.52 | gnexus | hno: that's what i just said! |
| 17:41.08 | gnexus | using linux-allwinner will solve that issue. |
| 17:41.18 | gnexus | Apple Granted Preliminary Injunction Against Samsung’s Galaxy Nexus |
| 17:41.31 | gnexus | http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Granted+Preliminary+Injunction+Against+Samsungs+Galaxy+Nexus/article25075.htm |
| 17:41.35 | hno | making sure you have sources solves many issues. |
| 17:42.13 | gnexus | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.58 | gnexus | but sometimes that is easier said than done! |
| 17:43.00 | specing | gnexus: 600M after deleting glibc garbage |
| 17:43.42 | gnexus | 2298404 after deleting linux-allwinner! |
| 17:44.00 | gnexus | not bad for 1000+ pkgs! |
| 17:44.31 | gnexus | Apple... |
| 17:45.28 | hno | more patent wars.. sigh.. |
| 17:45.54 | specing | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=8,046,721.PN.&OS=PN/8,046,721&RS=PN/8,046,721 |
| 17:45.57 | specing | lmao |
| 17:47.00 | gnexus | Apple=Patent troll |
| 17:47.07 | specing | humans from 20000 years ago could come back and sue apple's ass off |
| 17:47.23 | specing | slide to unlock... how the fuck can one patent that? |
| 17:48.00 | gnexus | what has Apple actually ever produced that is patentable? |
| 17:48.18 | specing | nothing, really |
| 17:48.43 | hno | http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/60000/2000/800/162865/162865.strip.gif |
| 17:49.00 | gnexus | besides the case of an iMac? |
| 17:49.58 | gnexus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3 |
| 17:50.02 | specing | Oh, so you want to patent a random plastic formation? |
| 17:50.20 | gnexus | looks like an old TV |
| 17:51.52 | gnexus | i'm afraid to boot the debian... |
| 17:52.00 | mnemoc | Stanley Kubrick and Steven Spielberg invented almost everything involved in the modern ui related software patents... |
| 17:52.09 | gnexus | bad luck w/ it so far... |
| 17:53.02 | specing | mnemoc: yep |
| 17:53.30 | specing | we should start by banning software patents |
| 17:53.41 | gnexus | apple probably has patented the gui in Minority Report |
| 17:53.42 | specing | which the chinese already did |
| 17:54.29 | gnexus | they will just use clips from the movie for their patent filing... |
| 17:55.06 | gnexus | the iPad patents came from StarTrek:TOS... |
| 17:56.09 | gnexus | their iPhone patents came from Dick Tracy comic books from the 50s |
| 17:58.01 | mnemoc | if concepts can be patented, the inventors of (almost) all of them have are sci-fi authors |
| 17:58.23 | mnemoc | or comics :) |
| 17:59.06 | mnemoc | not apple, not pall allen, not any other patent troll |
| 17:59.38 | hno | specing, software patens are banned. That's why there is so many of them. |
| 18:00.00 | gnexus | i'm going to watch Iron Man later so i can file some patents on Monday... |
| 18:00.32 | specing | hehe |
| 18:00.41 | gnexus | but Elon Musk has probably filed them already as the movie is about him... |
| 18:00.55 | specing | hno: there are so many of the because they are banned? |
| 18:02.07 | hno | yes.. software patens are banned in law, but lawyers have spent great efforts in expanding the realms of patens so the hole have been completely covered. |
| 18:02.11 | gnexus | i wonder if Elon will help China with their space mail? |
| 18:03.29 | gnexus | i'm afraid to boot the debian... |
| 18:03.42 | specing | gnexus: why? |
| 18:03.43 | hno | and since it's a recent event everyone rushes to patent, with no prior art in the patent system blocking them. |
| 18:04.29 | specing | hno: Do you know, by any chance, how much it costs to get sth patented |
| 18:04.30 | specing | ? |
| 18:04.56 | gnexus | i'm superstitious, i think it is haunted on my A10... |
| 18:05.16 | mnemoc | but mortals don't have the money to put those absurd patents on trial and drop them |
| 18:05.37 | mnemoc | neither to defend themselves from the troll bullies |
| 18:05.40 | gnexus | Steve Jobs is immortal! |
| 18:06.25 | gnexus | i'm superstitious, i think Steve Jobs is haunted on my A10... |
| 18:06.43 | gnexus | trying to prevent me from booting debian... |
| 18:06.52 | gnexus | ;) |
| 18:11.29 | specing | Woo, I have working qemu tun/tap networking |
| 18:11.41 | specing | time for nfs mounts all over the place |
| 18:15.41 | hno | specing, the patent fee isn't too large. But you need help of lawyers which can add up to a significant sum. |
| 18:16.35 | hno | specing, is it possible to fail qemu tun/tap networking? |
| 18:17.08 | specing | Yay nfs works with tun/tap networking |
| 18:17.29 | hno | ofcourse it does. It's raw ethernet in software. |
| 18:17.57 | specing | hno: yes if you are following a howto written for a completely different network topology (bridge) |
| 18:18.29 | hno | everything you can do with a ethernet nic you can do with tun/tap, plus a lot more. (ignoring electrical aspects) |
| 18:31.52 | gnexus | finally found the correct F17 page with all the rootfs images! |
| 18:32.25 | mnemoc | gnexus: wiki wiki :) |
| 18:32.39 | hno | gnexus, congratulations. It's very well hidden one click away. |
| 18:32.48 | mnemoc | *g* |
| 18:33.32 | gnexus | Fedora's page is quite well hidden, actually... |
| 18:34.14 | hno | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM |
| 18:35.08 | gnexus | hno: WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! |
| 18:35.26 | gnexus | this one: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Fedora_17_GA |
| 18:35.48 | gnexus | the other page is just annoying... |
| 18:36.22 | mnemoc | so two clicks |
| 18:37.16 | gnexus | no. the other page does not link to the list... |
| 18:37.42 | hno | gnexus, depends on who you are. Most wants the board focused view. |
| 18:37.47 | gnexus | actually it does now. |
| 18:38.03 | gnexus | but it did not previously... |
| 18:38.19 | gnexus | hno: not me... |
| 18:38.28 | Turl | mnemoc: anything specific about android you'd like to see on the wiki? |
| 18:39.55 | gnexus | fedora is still mostly useless anyway w/o multimedia stuff |
| 18:41.13 | gnexus | time to go eat... |
| 18:41.21 | hno | gnexus, it has always linked to the GA page. |
| 18:42.26 | hno | Why would one want android? (if ignoring the fact that media do not work in Linux yet...) |
| 18:43.06 | hno | gnexus, not Fedora fault that media industry likes patents so much. |
| 18:43.27 | mnemoc | Turl: how to build it for A10 devices, how to install it, how to fix common A10-related problems |
| 18:43.37 | hno | there is plenty of multimedia in Fedora. Just not the patentented crap that the media industry uses. |
| 18:43.46 | mnemoc | Turl: maybe some hints about how to modify the images |
| 18:44.41 | mnemoc | hno: standard linux distributions aren't really tablet friendly imo |
| 18:44.56 | mnemoc | UI-wise |
| 18:45.43 | mnemoc | hno: surely info about how to build tizen or meego would be awesome too |
| 18:47.16 | Turl | mnemoc: http://linux-sunxi.org/Building_CyanogenMod_for_ZaTab |
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| 18:47.40 | specing | mnemoc: I've heard enlightment's ui is touch-friendly |
| 18:47.41 | mnemoc | Turl: what about /ZaTab ? |
| 18:47.45 | Turl | it's a template, so you can have equivalent pages for other devices once there's trees available |
| 18:47.57 | mnemoc | specing: tizen is (still) EFL-based |
| 18:48.47 | Turl | mnemoc: a page about the device? |
| 18:49.08 | mnemoc | Turl: yes, and how to hack it |
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| 18:49.29 | Turl | ok |
| 18:50.07 | specing | mnemoc: Should I use enlightement for my Gentoo's UI? |
| 18:50.09 | mnemoc | Turl: it's not a CM wiki, so "how to build CM for {{device}}" page doesn't fit much imo |
| 18:50.31 | mnemoc | specing: e17 is not mobile oriented |
| 18:50.38 | Turl | mnemoc: well there's a crapton of tablets :) |
| 18:50.50 | specing | mnemoc: Im currently using Awesome, the tiling WM on all normal computers and I cant use a tiling WM on a tablet ;P |
| 18:51.01 | specing | mnemoc: matchbox? |
| 18:51.25 | Turl | specing: KDE4 plasma mobile thing or gnome3? |
| 18:51.29 | mnemoc | Turl: that's why a generic page about building android for any random tablet is better than one for each tablet |
| 18:51.53 | mnemoc | Turl: if going device specific, the device page can talk about the specific details |
| 18:51.57 | Turl | mnemoc: it's a template though, it takes ~5 lines to add a page for another device |
| 18:52.12 | mnemoc | Turl: it's huge for been put on any device page |
| 18:52.29 | mnemoc | Turl: a template is fine, but should link to the generic page for the generic stuff |
| 18:52.34 | specing | Turl: ? |
| 18:52.51 | specing | Turl: KDE4 is heave and gnome3+ sucks |
| 18:52.53 | Turl | specing: kinda-mobile-oriented DEs |
| 18:53.17 | Turl | mnemoc: which generic page? |
| 18:53.26 | mnemoc | Turl: the one you'll write :) |
| 18:53.47 | Turl | and what's 'generic stuff' for you? :P |
| 18:53.50 | Turl | fuuuu You have made too many recent login attempts. Please wait before trying again. :( |
| 18:53.57 | Turl | needs a password-capable mind |
| 18:54.02 | hno | mnemoc, would expect both Gnome3 and KDE Plasma to be quite nice on tablets.. if they manage to run it. Not exacly light-weight. |
| 18:54.11 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:54.31 | penguin42 | thinks Plasma has a mode for tablets and a lightweight setup |
| 18:55.23 | Turl | uses GNOME 3 on the laptop and lovin' it :) |
| 18:55.30 | mnemoc | Turl: think in a page for someone who will start a new device dir based on allwinner/common |
| 18:55.44 | Turl | mnemoc: good idea |
| 18:55.54 | mnemoc | Turl: if someone already did the device dir, we provide the local_manifest |
| 18:56.10 | mnemoc | like for zatab |
| 18:56.38 | hno | Random youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCgWKoBOtK0 |
| 18:57.57 | hno | and quite old that one. |
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| 19:03.43 | Turl | mnemoc: http://linux-sunxi.org/ZaTab |
| 19:04.34 | mnemoc | Turl: it would be awesome if you could add a picture of the board so clones can be identified |
| 19:05.11 | Turl | mnemoc: I didn't open mine |
| 19:05.15 | Turl | mnemoc: but iirc ZaEarl did |
| 19:05.27 | Turl | ZaEarl: ^ can you add the board pictures? |
| 19:05.50 | mnemoc | Turl: and adding a section with 2-3 lines ZaTab specific on building CM and refering to the generic building CM page (template) |
| 19:06.37 | Turl | mnemoc: http://linux-sunxi.org/index.php?title=Building_CyanogenMod_for_ZaTab&action=edit |
| 19:07.39 | mnemoc | Turl: split that into generic page/how to make an allwinner/common based device and an *small* template with device specific details and a link to the generic page |
| 19:07.55 | mnemoc | have to leave :( |
| 19:07.59 | mnemoc | back in 2h |
| 19:11.28 | hno | Ainol have jumped ship to Amlogic.. |
| 19:14.07 | specing | Really? |
| 19:14.44 | specing | Thats what they(AWT) get for being so closed! |
| 19:29.44 | gnexus | icmp_seq=64 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 19:30.02 | gnexus | no video output either... |
| 19:30.09 | mnemoc | the ainol elf 2 is amlogic iirc |
| 19:30.33 | gnexus | i need a serial console... |
| 19:30.44 | hno | all current ainol are amlogic from what I could see. Maybe one A10. |
| 19:30.46 | mnemoc | specing: thats what they get for not having a cortex-a9 yet. nothing about openness |
| 19:30.57 | specing | heh |
| 19:31.03 | specing | I guess they better rush |
| 19:31.08 | gnexus | lightdm init is there |
| 19:31.11 | hno | they are working on it.. |
| 19:31.17 | specing | That is probably why hipboi is no longer around here :) |
| 19:31.23 | mnemoc | indeed |
| 19:31.28 | specing | he is probably @work 16h/day |
| 19:31.34 | gnexus | nm init is also there... |
| 19:32.02 | gnexus | any ideas what else to check? |
| 19:32.16 | hno | gnexus, get youself a serial. |
| 19:32.40 | gnexus | hno: i may take the tablet back apart tomorrow... |
| 19:32.40 | hno | s/ou/our/ |
| 19:32.58 | gnexus | i need fine wire |
| 19:33.24 | gnexus | and a smaller tip for my soldering iron |
| 19:33.37 | gnexus | or the a2000... |
| 19:33.50 | hno | something hacking friendly helps. |
| 19:33.53 | gnexus | or all the above |
| 19:34.08 | gnexus | hno: no doubt... |
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| 19:34.46 | gnexus | cant believe i'm even attepting it on this thing! |
| 19:35.13 | gnexus | at least the rootfs will be done when it boots! |
| 19:35.25 | gnexus | IF it boots |
| 19:35.55 | specing | gnexus: you can buy a chepish micro soldering iron |
| 19:36.05 | specing | s/ep/eep/ |
| 19:36.28 | gnexus | specing: mine is cheapish! |
| 19:36.38 | gnexus | very cheapish! |
| 19:37.00 | gnexus | it is not micro, however... |
| 19:37.43 | gnexus | there are 1000 services trying to start |
| 19:37.58 | gnexus | that is probably part of the problem |
| 19:39.13 | gnexus | along with TWO web servers trying to start! |
| 19:39.42 | gnexus | how well does apache2 run on A10? |
| 19:39.49 | gnexus | ;) |
| 19:40.28 | gnexus | TWO desktop mgrs also! |
| 19:40.36 | gnexus | feature rich! |
| 19:40.51 | gnexus | 1 dm for each screen! |
| 19:41.22 | gnexus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.41 | specing | is this debian? |
| 19:42.18 | gnexus | specing: yes |
| 19:42.34 | specing | Dont delete it |
| 19:42.47 | specing | KILL IT WITH FIRE |
| 19:42.53 | gnexus | everything service is enabled by default |
| 19:43.16 | gnexus | Steve Jobs is haunting it... |
| 19:43.18 | specing | yeap, that is debian |
| 19:43.43 | specing | you know that "debil" in my native language means "retard"? |
| 19:43.56 | gnexus | minissdpd is MiniUPnP |
| 19:44.05 | DonkeyHotei | specing: mine too |
| 19:44.18 | gnexus | deb ilitated |
| 19:44.53 | gnexus | that is what my tablet is now: |
| 19:45.06 | gnexus | debilitated... |
| 19:45.44 | gnexus | minissdpd was probably installed as a MythTV dependency... |
| 19:45.54 | gnexus | new Myth version out? |
| 19:51.08 | rzk | specing: where you from? |
| 19:52.57 | specing | Slovenia |
| 19:53.59 | gnexus | HOLY CRAP! |
| 19:54.12 | gnexus | it's ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:54.38 | gnexus | nice! |
| 19:54.40 | specing | What? Apache? |
| 19:55.04 | gnexus | specing: no. debian! |
| 19:55.22 | gnexus | apache was the prob i guess... |
| 19:55.23 | rzk | specing: high five from Russia :3 |
| 19:56.04 | gnexus | icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 19:56.12 | gnexus | still cant ping it... |
| 19:56.29 | specing | rzk: :) |
| 19:56.44 | gnexus | i hope bt works... |
| 19:56.50 | rzk | gnexus: check your progress with rm's, afaik he did debian thin-client on mele a1000 |
| 19:57.06 | specing | Fun fact: on average ./configure takes longer than make on a single core machine |
| 19:57.15 | rzk | he had some problems with network first too |
| 19:57.22 | gnexus | wait. i did not install bluetooth. |
| 19:57.38 | gnexus | that could be a big prob... |
| 19:57.54 | rm | wat |
| 19:58.10 | gnexus | my only keyboard is bluetooth... |
| 19:58.43 | gnexus | bluetooth works!!! |
| 19:59.35 | specing | One good side of debian is that everything works out of the box.. |
| 19:59.57 | gnexus | i'm at an LXDE desktop now!!! |
| 20:00.21 | gnexus | with a big swirl thing in the middle... |
| 20:00.50 | gnexus | and the logout button on the wrong side. |
| 20:01.01 | gnexus | typical debian... |
| 20:02.04 | gnexus | MUCH faster than Ubuntu! |
| 20:02.18 | gnexus | no wifi... |
| 20:02.58 | gnexus | but wlan1 is loaded! |
| 20:03.12 | gnexus | beats ubuntu! |
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| 20:05.26 | hno | gnexus, still wlan1? |
| 20:07.39 | gnexus | hno: wanted to make sure it worked so I copied Ubuntu network udev config |
| 20:08.19 | gnexus | how to get to nm gui tool in debian? |
| 20:08.22 | gnexus | ?? |
| 20:08.35 | gnexus | nm-applet is not there... |
| 20:08.57 | gnexus | nothing on taskbar or menu... |
| 20:09.12 | gnexus | ifup does not help... |
| 20:12.05 | specing | gnexus: get wicd |
| 20:12.08 | specing | it is much better |
| 20:12.20 | gnexus | specing: :) |
| 20:12.24 | specing | and has a ncurses ui along with a gtk and a cli one |
| 20:12.37 | specing | NM is pure crap |
| 20:12.41 | gnexus | nm does too now... |
| 20:12.41 | specing | forget it ever existed |
| 20:12.52 | gnexus | but it is crap... |
| 20:13.15 | gnexus | but right now it needs to work. |
| 20:13.41 | gnexus | hard to install pkgs w/o 'net |
| 20:14.13 | gnexus | no more chroot as ubuntu is long gone... |
| 20:14.25 | gnexus | nm is running... |
| 20:14.36 | gnexus | just need gui tool |
| 20:14.38 | penguin42 | gnexus: There is nmcli to wrangle nm if you don't have the gui |
| 20:14.49 | penguin42 | not nice, but it works if desperate |
| 20:14.57 | penguin42 | or you can always just ifconfig |
| 20:15.14 | gnexus | it should have used settings from network/interfaces and autoconf |
| 20:15.26 | gnexus | why did it not? |
| 20:15.47 | specing | debian :P |
| 20:16.40 | Turl | specing: nm <3 |
| 20:16.55 | specing | Turl: rm <3 |
| 20:17.17 | Turl | gnexus: did you install network-manager-gnome? |
| 20:17.23 | mnemoc | rm: better hide from specing |
| 20:17.30 | Turl | mnemoc: ++ |
| 20:17.39 | Turl | mnemoc: http://linux-sunxi.org/Starting_a_CyanogenMod_device_tree :) |
| 20:17.47 | gnexus | Turl: no... |
| 20:18.10 | gnexus | nm says I have an active WIRED connection! |
| 20:18.16 | gnexus | ;) |
| 20:18.27 | mnemoc | Turl: <3 :p |
| 20:19.08 | mnemoc | Turl: don't forget to categorize |
| 20:19.11 | gnexus | i can't find the jack to plug in the cable... |
| 20:19.16 | mnemoc | back to the bday.... |
| 20:19.43 | gnexus | where is the eth0 port on my tablet? |
| 20:19.58 | gnexus | is must be VERY small |
| 20:20.15 | gnexus | can't see it anywhere... |
| 20:20.54 | specing | gnexus: in the A10 |
| 20:20.55 | gnexus | at least everything is working... |
| 20:21.10 | specing | gnexus: take over the A10's cover to access it |
| 20:21.16 | specing | s/over/off/ |
| 20:22.41 | gnexus | specing: so if I remove the back cover again, and then pry up the A10 with a big screwdriver, I'll be able to plug the eth0 cable into the hole there? |
| 20:22.58 | gnexus | and then eth0 will work! |
| 20:23.10 | gnexus | at gigabit speeds!! |
| 20:24.01 | gnexus | speaking of eth0 I heard the current driver is crap, is that true? |
| 20:25.35 | Turl | wemac? |
| 20:25.43 | Turl | I saw some work being done |
| 20:25.45 | Turl | to speed it up |
| 20:25.52 | Turl | removing a stupid sleep call :P |
| 20:27.02 | gnexus | wemac, yes. |
| 20:30.31 | gnexus | nmcli is a PITA... |
| 20:32.32 | gnexus | i can see the ap, but how to use nmcli to connect to it? |
| 20:34.21 | Turl | gnexus: tried cnetworkmanager? http://vidner.net/martin/software/cnetworkmanager/ |
| 20:35.20 | gnexus | Turl: I have to make do with what is installed for now |
| 20:35.42 | Turl | afaik nmcli is too simplistic, can only activate/deactivate, but not create new connections |
| 20:36.47 | gnexus | Turl: i see that. no way to create a new conn |
| 20:37.45 | Turl | there's an even more simple tool, "nm-tool", just shows info apparently |
| 20:37.50 | gnexus | if the interface is in /etc/network/interfaces shouldn't it have activated in Debian? |
| 20:38.04 | Turl | gnexus: yes, as long as you configure the key and all |
| 20:38.09 | gnexus | maybe i need to diable nm |
| 20:38.23 | gnexus | then just restart the network |
| 20:38.24 | Turl | gnexus: nm won't touch the interface if it's listed on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:38.54 | gnexus | so I just need to kill nm and it will work!!! |
| 20:39.19 | rm | yes |
| 20:39.28 | rm | just kill NM and all problems are solved |
| 20:39.55 | rm | use config in /etc/network/interfaces for wired, and "wicd" for wireless |
| 20:40.13 | Turl | gnexus: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 20:40.18 | gnexus | now I see the prob! |
| 20:40.35 | Turl | rm: you can use /etc/n/i for wifi too |
| 20:40.38 | gnexus | Turl: thx but i don't need that... |
| 20:40.50 | rm | Turl, that's not as convenient |
| 20:41.11 | gnexus | the settings are already configured |
| 20:41.15 | Turl | rm: wicd is not as convenient as nm either :p |
| 20:41.37 | gnexus | the problem is that there is no initscript to start the network... |
| 20:41.39 | rm | but an important point is that it's not NM |
| 20:41.49 | gnexus | nm took over and deleted it... |
| 20:42.08 | Turl | I seriously doubt nm deletes init scripts :) |
| 20:42.16 | Turl | rm: heh |
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| 20:42.30 | Turl | rm: the only one time I had an nm problem was long long ages ago |
| 20:42.34 | Turl | rm: with ndiswrapper |
| 20:47.29 | gnexus | "/etc/init.d/networking restart" deleted the eth0 and wlan1 modules... |
| 20:48.47 | gnexus | ignoring unknown interface wlan1... |
| 21:07.41 | gnexus | apt-get remove network-manager fixed it !! |
| 21:09.58 | gnexus | that and /etc/n/i had it as wlan0 instead of 1 |
| 21:10.17 | gnexus | works fine now! |
| 21:12.15 | gnexus | script.bin sets the mac? |
| 21:12.34 | gnexus | mac address? |
| 21:12.44 | mnemoc | that or mac_addr= on cmdline |
| 21:12.50 | mnemoc | if not, you get a random |
| 21:13.53 | gnexus | mnemoc: so if script.bin has the mac set, and everybody has the same script.bin, they will all have the same mac? |
| 21:14.06 | gnexus | :) |
| 21:14.10 | mnemoc | yes |
| 21:14.20 | mnemoc | that's why the stock script.bin comes with 0 there |
| 21:14.27 | gnexus | that is VERY funny! |
| 21:14.53 | mnemoc | and proper mac_addr= is passed by the stock bootloader |
| 21:14.59 | gnexus | i'd better check that on my SD images... |
| 21:15.01 | mnemoc | of the mele |
| 21:15.20 | gnexus | and change my own mac! |
| 21:15.41 | mnemoc | gnexus: your own mac is written on a sticker inside the unit |
| 21:16.08 | mnemoc | we don't know yet how to extract it from wherever the factory writes it |
| 21:16.13 | gnexus | where is mac in script.bin? |
| 21:16.21 | mnemoc | at the end |
| 21:16.26 | mnemoc | [dynamic] iirc |
| 21:17.56 | gnexus | no macs in my script.bin... |
| 21:18.24 | gnexus | is it in "[emac_para]"? |
| 21:18.29 | mnemoc | nope |
| 21:19.53 | mnemoc | [dynamic] |
| 21:19.53 | mnemoc | MAC = "000000000000" |
| 21:20.04 | mnemoc | the last section |
| 21:20.52 | gnexus | no [dynamic] in mine... |
| 21:21.59 | mnemoc | then you didn't decompile the right .bin |
| 21:22.09 | mnemoc | mele's stock script.bin has it |
| 21:22.37 | mnemoc | but you can add it manually anyway |
| 21:30.04 | gnexus | mnemoc: i dont have a mele yet... |
| 21:30.36 | gnexus | .bin is from my tablet. |
| 21:30.42 | xxiao | is waiting for mele too |
| 21:30.49 | DonkeyHotei | and me |
| 21:31.05 | DonkeyHotei | i should check status on aliexpress |
| 21:31.14 | xxiao | anyone has the mk802, not sure if it's hackable as it's really tiny |
| 21:31.56 | rm | I have |
| 21:32.04 | rm | define 'hackable' |
| 21:33.03 | xxiao | rm: has pads for serial or jtag |
| 21:33.09 | rm | it obviously has exactly the same uboot/script.bin mechanics |
| 21:33.17 | mnemoc | gnexus: then why do you want to set the ethernet mac? |
| 21:33.40 | mnemoc | xxiao: a Tx has been identified |
| 21:33.57 | rm | xxiao, no idea really, I have installed and configured everything I need w/o opening it |
| 21:34.06 | gnexus | mnemoc: set wlan0 mac... |
| 21:34.12 | rm | this is 'hackable' in a good way |
| 21:34.37 | gnexus | no scripts in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d |
| 21:34.56 | gnexus | that is the problem here. |
| 21:34.58 | mnemoc | gnexus: then no. you can't do that in script.bin |
| 21:35.03 | mnemoc | xxiao: |
| 21:35.12 | mnemoc | xxiao: http://linux-sunxi.org/File:Mk802_uart.jpg |
| 21:35.51 | mnemoc | the Rx is probably on the other test point, but script.bin might need to get adjusted |
| 21:36.05 | rm | mnemoc, I was wondering since the factory video, what's the wire on the right? :) |
| 21:36.11 | rm | antenna? |
| 21:36.26 | xxiao | mnemoc: that's good, should get one |
| 21:36.45 | xxiao | i was told a newer version will be out mid-July, that has more memory and full-size hdmi |
| 21:36.47 | mnemoc | rm: I guess so |
| 21:36.57 | mnemoc | xxiao: different device |
| 21:37.28 | xxiao | really, thought they're the same other than minor improvements |
| 21:37.50 | mnemoc | xxiao: there is a mk802+ already, with 1GB, but the same cable mess |
| 21:37.54 | xxiao | otherwise i already bought a mk802 |
| 21:38.06 | xxiao | it's out of stock last week i think |
| 21:38.24 | xxiao | the wits-tech $1000 devkit is too much |
| 21:38.43 | mnemoc | that's why we got meles |
| 21:38.46 | gnexus | wireless-tools deb not installed... |
| 21:39.17 | mnemoc | xxiao: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Smallart-Uhost-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device/511685_583304547.html |
| 21:39.32 | gnexus | xxiao: it's $1000! |
| 21:39.44 | gnexus | that's insane... |
| 21:39.55 | mnemoc | xxiao: there is a reseller trying to get preorders to make a large buy and resell them (uhost) cheaper |
| 21:42.54 | Turl | mnemoc: what's the power supply on the mele? |
| 21:42.58 | gnexus | how do i copy it to the tablet - usb port is used by bluetooth |
| 21:43.08 | Turl | gnexus: wifi? |
| 21:43.32 | Turl | doesn't your table have 2 usb port? |
| 21:43.59 | xxiao | mnemoc: that jpg is helpful, but it's hard to find it from the homepage |
| 21:44.07 | gnexus | Turl: that is what the pkg is for. to fix wifi! |
| 21:44.09 | mnemoc | Turl: 3A |
| 21:44.29 | gnexus | will USB OTG port work w/ USB HDD? |
| 21:45.15 | Turl | gnexus: usb otg is to plug bluetooth, hdd etc |
| 21:45.24 | Turl | mnemoc: @5V or what? |
| 21:45.32 | mnemoc | Turl: yes, 5V, 3A |
| 21:45.37 | xxiao | http://liliputing.com/2012/06/oval-elephant-71-pc-on-a-stick-runs-android-linux.html |
| 21:45.56 | xxiao | mnemoc: i almost bought one at that ovalelephant, but not sure if it's a scam site |
| 21:46.09 | mnemoc | xxiao: oval elephant is the reseller i told you 4m ago |
| 21:46.14 | Turl | mnemoc: bigger than my router :P |
| 21:46.19 | mnemoc | Turl: :) |
| 21:47.25 | mnemoc | xxiao: you can buy it from tom from the aliexpress link I pasted you above |
| 21:47.37 | mnemoc | xxiao: but I still find a mele more useful |
| 21:47.58 | Turl | mnemoc: so A1000 or A2k? |
| 21:48.16 | mnemoc | Turl: both |
| 21:48.35 | mnemoc | Turl: identical power bricks |
| 21:48.46 | Turl | mnemoc: I meant, what would you pick? :) |
| 21:49.18 | mnemoc | Turl: uhm uhm |
| 21:49.38 | gnexus | debian shutdown command works! |
| 21:50.04 | gnexus | unlike Ubuntu shutdown that reboots instead |
| 21:50.44 | mnemoc | Turl: difficult to say. if Tom would sell both, my answer would be a1k. but as he only has a2k. a2k :) |
| 21:51.05 | Turl | mnemoc: he doesn't sell a1k anymore? |
| 21:51.27 | mnemoc | Turl: he keeps in catalog, but if you buy it he will ask you if you accept an a2k instead |
| 21:52.07 | Turl | mnemoc: what's the difference again? |
| 21:52.15 | Turl | more expensive and lack of hdd cover? |
| 21:52.26 | mnemoc | but cuter case ;-) |
| 21:52.45 | Turl | I can live without the cover |
| 21:52.58 | mnemoc | I already lost mine... |
| 21:53.01 | Turl | I can't live with more expensive tho :P my budget is tight |
| 21:53.27 | mnemoc | i don't understand why mele sells it more expensive without having discontinuated the a1k |
| 21:53.59 | Turl | 2k => better => pricier |
| 21:54.07 | Turl | and cuter case ;) |
| 21:54.17 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:54.21 | mnemoc | chinese marketing |
| 21:54.24 | Turl | what about the remote? |
| 21:54.28 | mnemoc | both have it |
| 21:54.30 | Turl | is it worth getting the F10? |
| 21:54.41 | rm | are you going to use it with Android? D: |
| 21:54.41 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 21:55.00 | Turl | rm: it'll serve ALL THE THINGS! at home |
| 21:55.06 | Turl | and I expect to run xbmc once it's usable |
| 21:55.24 | mnemoc | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/579966097-New-Lenovo-2-4G-Mini-wireless-N5901-Enhanced-Multimedia-Remote-with-Backlit-Keyboard-Perfect-for-your-wholesalers.html |
| 21:55.28 | mnemoc | ^---- much better |
| 21:55.35 | mnemoc | not that seller, find better price |
| 21:55.59 | Turl | I'll skip the remote then |
| 21:56.41 | Turl | now I need to wait for hipboi to be around :P |
| 21:57.45 | DonkeyHotei | i ordered the a2k/f10/debug combo last night |
| 21:58.22 | Turl | I'd order it from aliexpress but they don't take paypal :x |
| 21:58.38 | rm | paypal is overrated |
| 21:58.49 | Turl | rm: I agree |
| 21:58.51 | rm | (in fact it's not) |
| 21:58.59 | Turl | rm: but that doesn't change the fact that they have my monies |
| 21:59.03 | rm | I mean there's even a lot of websites like paypalsucks etc |
| 21:59.16 | Turl | rm: yeah they really suck |
| 21:59.24 | Turl | rm: they froze my account twice |
| 21:59.35 | Turl | on the same week |
| 21:59.46 | xxiao | is the uhost thing the same as mk802? the enclosure looks different |
| 21:59.48 | gnexus | debian runs so much smoother than ubuntu |
| 21:59.57 | rm | the enclosure looks butt-ugly |
| 22:00.00 | gnexus | no comparison... |
| 22:00.03 | xxiao | it claims video call, so i can plug in a usb-camera to the usb host? |
| 22:00.13 | Turl | gnexus: ubuntu runs a lot of crap on the background :P |
| 22:00.30 | rm | but supposedly it is more quality-made, has some protection circuitry that MK802 lacks due to cost-cutting |
| 22:00.51 | rm | on HDMI |
| 22:01.19 | gnexus | Turl: i thought it was ubuntu that was the crap :p |
| 22:01.24 | DonkeyHotei | ewww to that lenovo remote |
| 22:01.46 | xxiao | oval elephant appears to be a sales front in Virgina |
| 22:02.04 | xxiao | which only has a p.o.box |
| 22:02.32 | mnemoc | Turl: moneybookers is mostly the same as paypal, but uk based |
| 22:02.46 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah but they don't take paypal to top up either :) |
| 22:05.24 | DonkeyHotei | paypal is quite convenient for a lot of things, but i was glad not to use it in this case |
| 22:05.44 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: did you pay with CC? |
| 22:06.15 | DonkeyHotei | cc? |
| 22:06.19 | Turl | credit card |
| 22:06.32 | DonkeyHotei | i used a visa debit card |
| 22:07.48 | ZaEarl | Turl, mnemoc: Motherboard pic added to http://linux-sunxi.org/ZaTab |
| 22:08.34 | Turl | ZaEarl: where's the wifi card btw? did you locate it? |
| 22:09.23 | specing | lol $350 for a tablet |
| 22:09.38 | specing | Its not like it has much more stuff than other A10 tabs |
| 22:10.11 | gnexus | why would ifup start the wlan, but not /etc/init.d/networking start? |
| 22:10.43 | gnexus | anyway, wlan works now! |
| 22:10.55 | gnexus | finally |
| 22:11.17 | Turl | gnexus: did you set it up to auto wlan0? |
| 22:11.19 | gnexus | need to configure x11vnc |
| 22:11.32 | gnexus | Turl: yes. |
| 22:11.59 | Turl | gnexus: I think the script runs ifup -a or similar, so it needs to be auto |
| 22:12.41 | gnexus | Turl: the dpkg install deconfigured auto... |
| 22:12.42 | Turl | gnexus: wlan1 rather right? whatever it matches the device :P |
| 22:13.01 | gnexus | now it is wlan0 |
| 22:13.08 | ZaEarl | Turl, the wifi is the blue section with a chip, near the bottom left of the motherboard |
| 22:13.16 | gnexus | i removed the buggy ubuntu crap |
| 22:13.25 | gnexus | :) |
| 22:13.49 | gnexus | wlan0 is fine in debian! |
| 22:14.04 | gnexus | fscking ubuntu crap... |
| 22:15.10 | gnexus | but i just love how debian dpkg-configure edits my configs... |
| 22:15.20 | Turl | ZaEarl: the really tiny thing? |
| 22:15.21 | gnexus | no distro is perfect |
| 22:15.54 | Turl | gnexus: dpkg-configure is made to change configs, why are you running it if you don't want so? :P |
| 22:16.16 | DonkeyHotei | ZaEarl: what are the chances than a ZaTab variant could ship with a Cambridge Silicon Radio bt module inside? |
| 22:16.26 | Turl | -reconfigure rather |
| 22:16.34 | ZaEarl | yeah, it's like 10mm x 10mm |
| 22:16.50 | Turl | ZaEarl: any chance it's touching the aluminium(?) back? |
| 22:17.10 | gnexus | Turl: did I say I wanted to run dpkg-configure? |
| 22:17.39 | gnexus | it runs automatically when you install a pkg |
| 22:17.56 | Turl | gnexus: yeah, on the stuff you're installing, not on everything else |
| 22:18.37 | gnexus | if you're installing wireless it edits the wlan configs... |
| 22:19.21 | gnexus | to give debian credit it did backup the original. |
| 22:19.26 | xxiao | ../../../src/Ada95/gen/gen.c:1: error: bad value (arm926ej-s) for -mtune= switch |
| 22:19.32 | ZaEarl | DonkeyHotei, we'd need to investigate that. how does it connect up? |
| 22:19.39 | xxiao | this bugged me for hours, damned |
| 22:22.28 | Turl | ZaEarl: USB |
| 22:23.01 | DonkeyHotei | ZaEarl: there would need to be an internal usb port on the mainboard. you just plug it in. the modules by trendnet are cheap enough that no bulk discount would even be required |
| 22:23.13 | Turl | ZaEarl: how did you open your zatab btw? |
| 22:24.19 | ZaEarl | Turl, the aluminum back just needs to be carefully pryed off |
| 22:24.28 | hno | Annoyng. Tried to update u-boot again and no success, and now I can not even get 2011.09 to work again. |
| 22:24.49 | ZaEarl | DonkeyHotei, I have no idea if there are any available ports on the motherboard |
| 22:24.59 | Turl | ZaEarl: is it isolated from the inside? |
| 22:25.15 | DonkeyHotei | ZaEarl: CM9 already has built-in integrated support for both the BT and GPS functions of those modules |
| 22:25.40 | ZaEarl | Turl, isolated? |
| 22:25.45 | DonkeyHotei | ZaEarl: i was referring to a possible next batch with that on the board |
| 22:26.06 | Turl | ZaEarl: yeah, some cover so the components have no chance of touching it |
| 22:26.40 | ZaEarl | Turl, ah, yes, there is a piece of black tape/plastic over it |
| 22:27.25 | Turl | ZaEarl: did you use any special instruments to remove the cover? |
| 22:27.33 | Turl | I might open mine later to have a look |
| 22:27.44 | ZaEarl | thin knife and screwdriver |
| 22:28.06 | ZaEarl | start on a corner away from the buttons |
| 22:29.17 | ZaEarl | there are 3 layers. inside is the touchscreen, middle is the plastic frame, and outside is the aluminum back. separate the frame from the back. |
| 22:32.43 | Turl | ZaEarl: mine has a couple of 'hardware' issues |
| 22:32.55 | Turl | ZaEarl: when you plug the usb, the cover gets voltage too |
| 22:33.30 | hno | Wonder what I do wrong.. |
| 22:33.37 | Turl | pretty annoying if you usually go around with bare foot inside your home :P |
| 22:34.27 | hno | Turl, computer on mains without ground? |
| 22:34.49 | Turl | hno: I'm talking about tablet |
| 22:35.12 | hno | Turl, yes, but usb from where? |
| 22:35.16 | Turl | laptop |
| 22:35.21 | Turl | or wall charger |
| 22:36.33 | Turl | the screen goes a bit crazy too when you touch it at times too |
| 22:36.41 | Turl | like it's getting interference from something |
| 22:37.11 | Turl | not the touch input, but the actual screen image |
| 22:41.27 | rzk | http://linux-sunxi.org/LY-F1 |
| 22:41.40 | rzk | hires pics of pcb coming tomorrow |
| 22:41.50 | rzk | going to have some sleep |
| 22:52.23 | lundman | 197M woo |
| 22:54.41 | xxiao | lundman: what's that number for |
| 22:55.33 | lundman | I'm still getting the mele ics4 :) |
| 22:56.38 | xxiao | dial-up? |
| 22:56.45 | xxiao | gprs modem? |
| 22:57.10 | lundman | heh nah, mele's download got a bit hammered. I suppose by now it must be available somewhere else |
| 22:58.11 | xxiao | where r u getting mele android repo? |
| 22:58.11 | hno | lundman, it is. Link in mailllist. |
| 22:58.16 | xxiao | github should not be that slow |
| 22:58.32 | xxiao | i downloaded from xda and it's fairly fast |
| 22:58.39 | hno | xxiao, there is no repo for mele. |
| 22:59.08 | xxiao | hno: so everyone download that xda tarball? |
| 22:59.38 | hno | xxiao, lundman is downloading the Mele official ICS firmware. |
| 23:00.08 | hno | or trying to.. |
| 23:00.37 | hno | which tarball is on xda? |
| 23:00.51 | lundman | there is amailing list? |
| 23:01.08 | hno | lundman, yes, there is a topic on this channel. |
| 23:01.17 | lundman | there is a topic? |
| 23:01.18 | lundman | :) |
| 23:04.09 | xxiao | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25978796&postcount=121 |
| 23:04.19 | xxiao | i download 4.0.3 from there |
| 23:04.29 | xxiao | meanwhile it's at https://github.com/allwinner-ics |
| 23:04.53 | xxiao | not sure if that's the one as i still do not have any hardware to check anything |
| 23:05.14 | hno | Now I am really annoyed. Not even last known good u-boot source gives any sign of life, using the same old toolchain.. some stupid user error somewhere, but where? Done this a million times.. |
| 23:05.49 | hno | that's the QWare tablet ICS release I think. |
| 23:07.49 | lundman | there is one download url which didnt work |
| 23:07.54 | lundman | anyway, only 4 hours to go |
| 23:08.18 | *** part/#arm-netbook hno (~hno@squid/developer/hno) |
| 23:08.33 | *** join/#arm-netbook hno (~hno@squid/developer/hno) |
| 23:09.00 | hno | lundman, worked for me. But it's wrapped on multiple lines. |
| 23:09.13 | hno | ends in .html |
| 23:09.42 | lundman | the russian one? |
| 23:09.55 | lundman | it wanted me to download yanexbar |
| 23:09.55 | hno | yes |
| 23:10.43 | hno | got no popups or unexpected downloads here. But was not entirely obvious how to start the download. |
| 23:11.17 | mnemoc | xxiao: http://linux-sunxi.org/Starting_a_CyanogenMod_device_tree |
| 23:11.34 | hno | too graphical. You need to click the image which badly tries to depict something being downloaded & saved.. |
| 23:11.56 | mnemoc | xxiao: that's the recommended way to do android images for your A10 device |
| 23:12.30 | mnemoc | xxiao: once you make and publish the device tree, please reference it in the device page on the wiki |
| 23:12.45 | hno | mnemoc, which proprietary files are it copying from the device? |
| 23:13.45 | mnemoc | hno: iirc the mali drivers and other blobs are in the common part, so none |
| 23:13.53 | Turl | hno: mali stuff |
| 23:14.35 | mnemoc | Turl: so extract-crap.sh is needed? |
| 23:14.53 | Turl | mnemoc: that pulls the mali stuff |
| 23:15.07 | Turl | interesting ZaEarl |
| 23:15.08 | mnemoc | isn't it identical across devices? |
| 23:15.18 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah probably |
| 23:15.25 | Turl | ZaEarl: there's two speakers |
| 23:15.28 | hno | it should be identical. |
| 23:15.30 | Turl | but only one hole on the cover? :P |
| 23:15.36 | lundman | ah 2nd time to started the download |
| 23:15.49 | mnemoc | Turl: my 9.7 is the oposite. two holes, one speaker |
| 23:17.57 | Turl | I'll post pics in a minute |
| 23:18.24 | Turl | it actually looks like it has 2 batteries |
| 23:18.52 | mnemoc | Turl: if you can replace the current with one with higher resolution, much better |
| 23:19.00 | mnemoc | but still restricted to 1MB |
| 23:19.09 | mnemoc | which is usually more the enough |
| 23:19.20 | penguin42 | wonders what the point of http://gridconnect.com/network-components/dstni-ex-dstni-lx-gridarm-chips/gridarm-bga.html is, gige on an ARM7TDMI |
| 23:19.29 | Turl | woah |
| 23:19.36 | Turl | the realtek chip |
| 23:19.37 | Turl | is REALLY small |
| 23:19.42 | Turl | smaller than a thumb |
| 23:19.53 | penguin42 | that's not that small |
| 23:19.57 | lundman | any cool A10 netbooks out? |
| 23:20.18 | Turl | penguin42: my laptop intel wifi card is easily 5x in size |
| 23:20.20 | Turl | minipcie |
| 23:21.14 | ZaEarl | Turl, the new batch of tabs has a second speak hole |
| 23:21.17 | ZaEarl | speaker |
| 23:22.21 | Turl | next to the goodix |
| 23:22.26 | Turl | there's a 'nuvoton' chip |
| 23:22.52 | *** join/#arm-netbook RITRedbeard (~redbeard@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:22.58 | Turl | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuvoton |
| 23:23.17 | Turl | winbond.. ir? |
| 23:24.51 | DonkeyHotei | lundman: define cool |
| 23:28.03 | hno | Ok... it appears I crashed SPL yesterday. |
| 23:29.17 | mnemoc | "there is no progress without failure" |
| 23:30.02 | xxiao | if mele is FCC-certified i could get some to usa and sell them, to speed up the shipment |
| 23:30.13 | xxiao | the waiting time is too much in modern days |
| 23:30.24 | hno | Don't see how I could have managed to crash SPL with those changes. |
| 23:31.41 | mnemoc | xxiao: afaik Tom already made a couple of larger-qty shipments to resellers, you might want to contact him |
| 23:32.38 | Turl | mnemoc: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cavmzb8eapv1n83/K6RYY2hUQt#/ |
| 23:32.56 | Turl | anything else you want to see from it? |
| 23:34.15 | mnemoc | Turl: it's not for me.... it's for people who wants to buy zatabs, or someone who ends up with the same board from another supplier |
| 23:34.39 | mnemoc | Turl: but been all phone-camera pictures they aren't really better than ZaEarl's |
| 23:34.42 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah, but I suck at taking pics :P should I take one of anything else? |
| 23:34.55 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah, I don't own any decent cam |
| 23:34.57 | Turl | took them with gnex |
| 23:35.46 | mnemoc | one usually wants pictures where you can read the chips or at least have a clear image of the test points :) |
| 23:36.16 | Turl | mnemoc: I see two points that say 3D+ and 3D- |
| 23:36.18 | Turl | :P |
| 23:36.23 | mnemoc | :) |
| 23:36.23 | hno | Odd.. |
| 23:36.48 | Turl | BA+/- are wired to battery |
| 23:37.03 | mnemoc | Turl: look at the picture in http://linux-sunxi.org/Icoo-d90w |
| 23:37.09 | Turl | SPK+/- unwired |
| 23:37.13 | Turl | there's two sets of those |
| 23:37.38 | mnemoc | if you can mark the uarts it would be more than awesome |
| 23:37.53 | mnemoc | if you know them... |
| 23:38.23 | Turl | I don't |
| 23:38.28 | mnemoc | fair enough |
| 23:38.29 | Turl | and I don't have any serial to usb either :( |
| 23:38.37 | ZaEarl | there is a rx/tx labelled on the board |
| 23:38.52 | xxiao | mnemoc: if i know them i will cancel the aliexpress and grab one that is fasater |
| 23:39.01 | ZaEarl | it's just below the reset button, in the upper-left corner |
| 23:39.24 | Turl | under the chipped cable ZaEarl? |
| 23:39.37 | ZaEarl | yes, under the touchscreen cable |
| 23:39.53 | Turl | ZaEarl: btw, look at the chip on top left |
| 23:39.58 | ZaEarl | I have not probed them to see if they are actually connected. |
| 23:40.12 | Turl | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cavmzb8eapv1n83/K6RYY2hUQt#f:IMG_20120630_201029.jpg |
| 23:40.30 | mnemoc | xxiao: personally I'm perfectly confortable with the 2-3w delay when buying from china... but I understand people expects everything "right now" |
| 23:41.19 | ZaEarl | Turl, which chip? |
| 23:41.38 | Turl | the one on the link ZaEarl ^ |
| 23:41.52 | ZaEarl | can't see a chip there |
| 23:41.54 | mnemoc | xxiao: anxiety, short attention span, premature ejaculation... aren't good things |
| 23:41.59 | xxiao | mnemoc: the problem is that aliexpress is free to cancel the order if it's not shipped in 18 days |
| 23:42.07 | xxiao | otherwise i'm fine |
| 23:42.21 | xxiao | i could end up waiting for shit |
| 23:42.23 | mnemoc | xxiao: tom ships every sunday |
| 23:42.31 | ZaEarl | I see the daughter card for the physical buttons |
| 23:42.36 | Turl | ZaEarl: https://photos-6.dropbox.com/si/tbd/DuDX3r3NfvBHekwS7grZBUboF-p5rZQhJTmvFyhqOEs/553461/1341187200/c36e10b/IMG_20120630_201029.jpg?size=1024x768 |
| 23:42.36 | DonkeyHotei | tomorrow is sunday |
| 23:42.43 | Turl | ZaEarl: well, that, the green bar thingy |
| 23:42.49 | DonkeyHotei | in china, it's already sunday |
| 23:42.57 | Turl | it has the keys written on the other day |
| 23:43.06 | ZaEarl | yes |
| 23:43.15 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: I'm ~3h away from sunday |
| 23:43.25 | Turl | ZaEarl: compare them between the two zatab models |
| 23:43.29 | ZaEarl | almost noon on sunday here |
| 23:43.42 | ZaEarl | Turl, yeah, I haven't opened up a new one yet. |
| 23:43.45 | mnemoc | probably the worst time for buying... |
| 23:44.47 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: i placed an order last night; is that bad? |
| 23:45.31 | mnemoc | i don't know, i'm not hipboi :) |
| 23:46.53 | DonkeyHotei | he hasn't been on here since i placed it, i think |
| 23:46.54 | Turl | the realtek chip looks like it has support for 3 antennaes :O |
| 23:47.13 | Turl | cheap chinese wired the 3 points to one though :P |
| 23:50.33 | Turl | board is labeled "INET-3F-REV03" |
| 23:50.35 | nikk|zzz | Turl what's this blue board in ZaTab? |
| 23:50.59 | Turl | "2012-02-06 ZGC" |
| 23:51.05 | Turl | nikk|zzz: the tiny small square? |
| 23:51.10 | nikk|zzz | yup |
| 23:51.13 | Turl | nikk|zzz: realtek 8192CU wifi chip |
| 23:51.22 | nikk|zzz | i c |
| 23:51.54 | nikk|zzz | Turl do you still have panics with bt? |
| 23:52.38 | Turl | nikk|zzz: on PC yes |
| 23:52.42 | Turl | see the first two pics on the folder ^^ |
| 23:52.46 | Turl | haven't tried on tab |
