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| 04:02.27 | rm | the words "Digital Signage" don't exactly inspire confidence |
| 04:03.00 | rm | I feel that will mean 1) "ENTERPRISE", insta-x2-price |
| 04:03.10 | rm | 2) you can't buy one anyway |
| 04:03.17 | rm | not in quantities less than 5000 |
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| 04:10.54 | xxiao | hi ibot |
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| 04:20.52 | rm | Allwinner seems to use MAC addresses out of a range that is not allocated to any vendor |
| 04:21.08 | rm | according to 2 lookup services that I tried |
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| 04:42.21 | rm | https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/Kernel/Projects/FlashCardSurvey?action=show&redirect=WorkingGroups%2FKernelConsolidation%2FProjects%2FFlashCardSurvey |
| 04:42.33 | rm | and https://blogofterje.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/optimizing-fs-on-sd-card/ |
| 04:42.36 | rm | this is interesting |
| 04:44.04 | rm | some old Kingston 2GB SD card without even a class written on it feels a lot faster than a 4GB microSD card (from Kingston too) |
| 04:44.27 | rm | so I was wondering what can be done |
| 04:46.49 | RITRedbeard | What can be done? |
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| 04:48.24 | lundman | MAC is generated random, if you dont have a spl env |
| 04:54.06 | rm | RITRedbeard, tweaking the FS to accomodate for what I suppose is a larger erase block size on the slower SD |
| 04:54.43 | RITRedbeard | What SD card class is recommended for A10/MK802 ? |
| 04:55.12 | lundman | 500! shoot for the stars! |
| 04:55.21 | lundman | i have a class 10 |
| 05:07.36 | rm | but this is crazy |
| 05:07.44 | rm | if the erase block is 8MB as that page says |
| 05:07.50 | rm | every line written to any log file |
| 05:08.04 | rm | results in an 8MB erase for the SD card |
| 05:09.01 | lundman | why would it erase on writes |
| 05:09.38 | rm | because this cheap flash can't just randomly write to somewhere |
| 05:10.23 | rm | it needs to read a block, modify it, and then write out into a new location (somewhere else for wear-leveling) |
| 05:10.35 | rm | tbh I doubt this happens 8MB at a time every time |
| 05:27.21 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Wojciech master * r15d28858eadf /allwinner_a10/orders/lu6ith.mdwn: |
| 05:36.26 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Golubinski master * rc4555f436f3b /allwinner_a10/orders/gogal.mdwn: |
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| 05:51.13 | eFfeM_work | gm |
| 05:51.36 | lundman | an |
| 05:51.37 | RITRedbeard | are the people at lilliput stupid? |
| 05:51.45 | lundman | no, just small |
| 05:51.51 | RITRedbeard | "as you can see it's like running a 5 year old computer, not very responsive" |
| 05:51.54 | eFfeM_work | sd is slow |
| 05:51.57 | RITRedbeard | uhhhhh is x accelerated? |
| 05:52.02 | RITRedbeard | durrr durr durrr |
| 05:57.24 | hipboi | how can i search the chat log? |
| 05:57.53 | lundman | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.08 | hipboi | i mean all the chat log |
| 05:58.22 | hipboi | historical |
| 05:58.25 | lundman | if you, or someone, logs it, you can |
| 06:00.34 | DonkeyHotei | channel is publicly logged |
| 06:00.39 | DonkeyHotei | see topic |
| 06:00.48 | RITRedbeard | grrrrrrrr8 |
| 06:01.06 | lundman | there you go |
| 06:04.50 | RITRedbeard | um |
| 06:04.55 | RITRedbeard | what the fuck is this? |
| 06:05.22 | lundman | twsss! |
| 06:05.30 | lundman | that's what she said |
| 06:05.37 | RITRedbeard | The AC adapter |
| 06:05.42 | RITRedbeard | it's not normal |
| 06:05.48 | RITRedbeard | it has two HUGE circular prongs |
| 06:06.20 | RITRedbeard | is this a joke? |
| 06:07.39 | lundman | no idea what you are talking about even |
| 06:10.34 | RITRedbeard | http://i48.tinypic.com/2pynji8.jpg |
| 06:11.05 | RITRedbeard | what. the. fuck? |
| 06:11.22 | ZaEarl | hello europlug |
| 06:12.15 | RITRedbeard | You've got to be kidding, right? |
| 06:12.50 | RITRedbeard | That's a joke, no? |
| 06:13.09 | RITRedbeard | They aren't even civilized enough to have normal AC plugs? |
| 06:13.17 | RITRedbeard | I mean, shit, does their country even use AC for electric? |
| 06:13.21 | RITRedbeard | countries? |
| 06:13.36 | RITRedbeard | their little wannabe socialist group, the European Union? |
| 06:13.44 | RITRedbeard | Do they even run AC as mains? |
| 06:13.57 | RITRedbeard | They don't use normal plugs apparently, no wonder they're dumb savages |
| 06:14.04 | ZaEarl | europlug is nice. it's the uk plug I hate: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Moulded_and_rewireable_BS_1363_plugs.jpg |
| 06:15.12 | lundman | yeah europlug is safer than the american filth :) |
| 06:15.59 | lundman | and eu uses ~200V too, like real people |
| 06:16.10 | lundman | not like americans that use 100V, except in kitchen, so have to wire both |
| 06:16.16 | lundman | sniggers |
| 06:16.16 | RITRedbeard | Bullshit. |
| 06:16.23 | RITRedbeard | 120VAC, jack. |
| 06:16.26 | drgreenthumb | yeah the US system is retarded |
| 06:17.06 | drgreenthumb | only someone who's spent their entire lives in their moms basement and has no exposure to better would think it's good. |
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| 06:17.44 | RITRedbeard | yeah no GFCI |
| 06:17.48 | RITRedbeard | and obtuse as hell |
| 06:18.08 | RITRedbeard | but I expect nothing less from goat herders |
| 06:18.25 | RITRedbeard | I guess this means I'll need to get a different supply, a reliable one |
| 06:20.14 | RITRedbeard | and not a Chinese Special |
| 06:21.24 | lundman | yeah a US made one, 16 cylider with 12 guage! |
| 06:22.00 | RITRedbeard | this is the type of supply that will blue smoke for no reason |
| 06:22.04 | RITRedbeard | it's just very... generic |
| 06:22.33 | lundman | i agree that having plug on the adater is very dumb, it'd be better to use a C8 or C12 |
| 06:22.59 | lundman | and japan uses same plugs as states, so already had to work around it |
| 06:24.18 | RITRedbeard | yeah couldn't they use a breakaway? like laptop supplies typically have |
| 06:24.36 | RITRedbeard | then that breakaway has whatever style connector on the end? |
| 06:27.46 | lundman | yeah C7/C8, brick style |
| 06:28.02 | RITRedbeard | word is totally bond on that |
| 06:28.09 | lundman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320#C7.2FC8_coupler |
| 06:28.26 | RITRedbeard | I just wasn't aware it had a standardization/name. |
| 06:28.30 | RITRedbeard | sorta like RJ-11 |
| 06:28.49 | RITRedbeard | But it's Shenzen, mass produced, etc... |
| 06:28.51 | lundman | yeah C7/C8 is pretty common with VCRs etc, and C13/C14 is the computer powers |
| 06:35.30 | RITRedbeard | AMD doesn't make any phone mobile style GPUs, do they? |
| 06:35.49 | RITRedbeard | would be very cool to have something like that on a SoC |
| 06:36.08 | technologov_ | RITRedbeard, there were some old AMD SoCs, but not sure about their video performance. They surely lack a nice Radeon :) |
| 06:37.17 | RITRedbeard | I'm just not convinced of Raspberry Pi, do we have any benchmarks of A10 strutting its stuff? I think performance wise it would rape the Pi no matter how great the PowerVR is |
| 06:37.23 | RITRedbeard | since the processor is so anemic |
| 06:37.59 | technologov_ | RITRedbeard, http://rhombus-tech.net/amd_g_series/ |
| 06:38.46 | RITRedbeard | is this x86? |
| 06:39.07 | technologov_ | RITRedbeard, for CPU performance, the A10 is 3x times faster than RPi and almost as fast as Atom |
| 06:39.39 | RITRedbeard | who is incharge of rhombus-tech? make us small x86 based platforms and you'll be king |
| 06:39.51 | RITRedbeard | like as detailed on that page |
| 06:40.45 | technologov_ | the AMD part takes 10W, so not for phones. |
| 06:40.54 | technologov_ | only laptops/desktops |
| 06:41.08 | RITRedbeard | the problem for mobiles on x86 is the north and southbridge chipsets |
| 06:41.18 | RITRedbeard | they always end up sucking big time, big dick |
| 06:41.30 | RITRedbeard | and lots of power wasted there |
| 06:42.13 | technologov_ | but for mobile it is no problem: Intel Atom netbook works 6-8 hours easily. |
| 06:42.37 | RITRedbeard | with the big fat mAh batteries, sure |
| 06:43.17 | technologov_ | Intel also have a mobile phone with Atom, but I have not tried that one... |
| 06:45.17 | ZaEarl | no good. it's got powervr gpu. |
| 06:45.37 | lundman | r-pi looks like a bad choice |
| 06:45.43 | technologov_ | ZaEarl, I can live fine without 3D as long as there is good 2D and HD video... |
| 06:46.03 | ZaEarl | you won't get hd video on an atom |
| 06:46.12 | technologov_ | ZaEarl, true. |
| 06:46.39 | technologov_ | only A10... or Intel Core i |
| 06:46.44 | ZaEarl | the next atom should be pretty good |
| 06:46.44 | technologov_ | ^^ |
| 06:46.58 | RITRedbeard | lundman, r-pi looks like bad choice for what? |
| 06:47.38 | lundman | mediaplayer :) |
| 07:01.32 | rm | sooooooooooooo |
| 07:01.41 | rm | Allwinner A10 as a communications and network processor |
| 07:02.05 | rm | this is what I am going to use it for :) |
| 07:02.10 | rm | when will we see Allwinner-based routers? |
| 07:02.33 | rm | throw out Mali and SATA, add a switch chip by realtek |
| 07:02.57 | rm | got yourself a nice 1GHz router chip |
| 07:03.09 | rm | or could leave SATA for eSATA |
| 07:03.51 | lundman | the wired nic is terrible, PIO |
| 07:04.20 | lundman | wired nic is emac by davicom |
| 07:04.24 | lundman | the usb/wifi is realtek |
| 07:05.28 | rm | oh, that's unfortunate, about the wired |
| 07:05.33 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Juan_Carlos master * r7c08500bf7da /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: |
| 07:06.06 | rm | I am using an USB NIC on MK802, thought maybe the built-in one would be a lot better |
| 07:06.24 | rm | but still, I am moving my web/mail server and tinc vpn for IPv6 tunnelling onto the MK802 |
| 07:06.32 | lundman | actually, I would use USB nic on mele for wire |
| 07:06.35 | lundman | +d |
| 07:06.55 | rm | finally a tiny low power noiseless system with a comfortable amount of RAM and proper Debian |
| 07:07.43 | rm | (that I got; there were "plugs", but 1.5x more expensive + something silly like $50 shipping) |
| 07:08.30 | rm | mk802 does 50 Mbit RX, 70 Mbit RX on the USB NIC; the Mele does 80 Mbit RX and TX on the builtin one |
| 07:08.37 | rm | did not compare the CPU load |
| 07:08.46 | rm | 70 Mbit TX * |
| 07:10.24 | lundman | although |
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| 07:10.56 | lundman | that NIC is on PIO, is bad for 1080p video decoding |
| 07:11.07 | lundman | but if you are only to use it for network IO, it will be fine |
| 07:11.17 | lundman | I get 10mB/s during my tests |
| 07:11.19 | lundman | got |
| 07:11.42 | lundman | rm: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/pull/39 |
| 07:13.06 | rm | haha okay |
| 07:16.21 | rm | I wanted to say "yep, chinese drivers" but don't want to offend good chinese hackers that might be present in this channel :) |
| 07:17.45 | lundman | i thought so too, with the terrible cpu busy loop. but reading the specs on the emac nic, it seem to indicate PIO mode only |
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| 07:43.08 | specing | 'lo |
| 07:46.19 | RITRedbeard | hi |
| 07:49.11 | TomNL | gimli: any luck with alpha blending? |
| 07:55.52 | specing | Does u-boot support all 8 serial ports? |
| 07:56.19 | lundman | shame gimli doesnt have a fork on github so we could be compiling along testing it :) |
| 07:56.36 | lundman | it has 8 serial ports? |
| 07:56.53 | specing | yes |
| 07:57.12 | lundman | gong to run a dialup bbs? |
| 07:58.24 | specing | No, I found ttyS5 on the PCB yesterday |
| 07:58.33 | specing | I want to redirect console to there |
| 08:03.45 | specing | I only see COM1-4 in u-boot sources |
| 08:06.08 | zenitraM | amazon.co.uk isn't charging VAT on orders o.O |
| 08:06.39 | specing | ? |
| 08:09.07 | zenitraM | add a 100gbp item to the cart, go checkout, and in the final step.. |
| 08:09.16 | zenitraM | Total before VAT:£83.33 |
| 08:09.16 | zenitraM | VAT:£0.00 |
| 08:09.16 | zenitraM | Order Total: £83.33 |
| 08:11.38 | RITRedbeard | Conexant's cx92755 has PCIe |
| 08:11.52 | RITRedbeard | would be interesting to use an MXM mobile graphics card with it |
| 08:14.42 | lundman | no VAT if sent outside UK I thought |
| 08:15.25 | zenitraM | no, it has always charged VAT to spain at least |
| 08:18.13 | lundman | huh |
| 08:18.13 | hno | crap.. sdcard mechanical malfunction on my mele. Need to find a needle. |
| 08:18.27 | lundman | or a paperclip! |
| 08:20.51 | specing | A hammer always works |
| 08:22.49 | hno | fixed. A paperclip is too big. |
| 08:23.33 | specing | What is the function of: |
| 08:23.33 | specing | [uart_para] |
| 08:23.34 | specing | uart_debug_port = 0 |
| 08:23.34 | specing | uart_debug_tx = port:PB22<2><default><default><default> |
| 08:23.34 | specing | uart_debug_rx = port:PB23<2><default><default><default> |
| 08:23.38 | specing | section? |
| 08:23.48 | hno | the card present metal tounge accidently got lifted above it's contact, needed to bent it down and below the contact again. |
| 08:23.55 | specing | Can I redired those tx/rx pins to arbitrary UARTs? |
| 08:24.10 | specing | redirect* |
| 08:24.49 | hno | specing, I think that's used as console port by boot.axf. |
| 08:25.09 | hno | maybe even boot0 if it gets encoded into the boot0 header. |
| 08:25.24 | specing | Ok, I'll try that |
| 08:25.44 | specing | hno: I see u-boot only has uarts 0-3 in its .h |
| 08:26.04 | hno | u-boot also do not use script.bin at all. |
| 08:26.14 | specing | I know |
| 08:26.24 | specing | that is why I need to modify u-boot |
| 08:26.36 | specing | (ttyS5 is what I need) |
| 08:26.42 | hno | you found it? |
| 08:27.12 | specing | Yeah |
| 08:27.23 | specing | http://linux-sunxi.org/A10-MID |
| 08:29.28 | hno | Can you post reasonable quality full board pictures of both sides? |
| 08:29.53 | RITRedbeard | who is the guy doing the EOMA stuff? |
| 08:30.30 | specing | hno: Yeah if you send me $500 pro camera, sure ;P |
| 08:31.55 | hno | Resolution of that camera is sufficient. Just need a little more lightning from a lamp at suitable angle (disable flash) and patience to get it to focus proper. |
| 08:32.36 | rm | I wonder if microSD are inherently slower than SD |
| 08:32.50 | hno | can't spell. But you get what I mean. |
| 08:33.49 | specing | How does one do newlines in wiki formatting? |
| 08:33.58 | hno | rm, microSD is the same SD interface. But speed ratings of microSD is usually much slower than same price SD. |
| 08:34.05 | specing | Im trying to make that wiki page look less of a mess |
| 08:34.16 | lundman | push return twice? |
| 08:34.35 | hno | specing, what mess? |
| 08:34.59 | hno | Ah, see it now. |
| 08:35.27 | hno | "Feel free to take a look around! " and nothing more? |
| 08:36.04 | specing | I forgot to add the directory, fixed now |
| 08:36.14 | hno | specing, remote left from the pictures I think. |
| 08:36.20 | hno | s/t/v/ |
| 08:37.07 | hno | you want pictures inline, not floating. |
| 08:37.09 | specing | Hmm, looks better |
| 08:40.38 | eFfeM_work | talking about serial ports, is there somewhere a page how to connect serial to an a2000 |
| 08:41.15 | specing | eFfeM_work: AFAIK it is on a 2mm header |
| 08:41.19 | specing | easy :) |
| 08:41.33 | lundman | TTLUSB thing? yeah it was quite easy, 3 wires |
| 08:41.49 | eFfeM_work | specing: yeah, was looking on how to open the a200, and where to find the header and the pinout of it |
| 08:42.00 | eFfeM_work | i have the usb to serial thingie |
| 08:42.31 | lundman | gnd/rx/tx -> gnd/tx/rx, done |
| 08:43.12 | hno | specing, you also need to remove thumb. |
| 08:44.53 | hno | eFfeM_work, there should be two screws in the back corners and two on the underside. Remove those. Header is close to the front, same location as in A1000 but slightly different connector. |
| 08:45.09 | eFfeM_work | hno: ah thanks |
| 08:45.23 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Dmitry master * r9d21ef44f383 /allwinner_a10/orders/timon48.mdwn: |
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| 08:45.47 | eFfeM_work | does the pcb list what is gnd/rx/tx ? |
| 08:45.55 | lundman | yes |
| 08:46.06 | hno | eFfeM_work, see wiki. No markings in the pcb. |
| 08:46.33 | hno | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/ |
| 08:47.14 | hno | A2000 is the exact same board except for a slightly different UART connector. Same pinout. |
| 08:47.36 | eFfeM_work | hno, was at that page, was looking for text on the page, but the uart pinout is not in the text, found it in the pic though |
| 08:47.45 | hno | yes. |
| 08:47.59 | lundman | the board has it on mine |
| 08:48.11 | eFfeM_work | At first thought GTxRx3.3V was some kind of part indicator |
| 08:48.15 | hno | text is confusing as people have trouble understanding which pin is pin 1.. |
| 08:48.24 | eFfeM_work | true |
| 08:48.40 | hno | there is an arrow. |
| 08:49.15 | hno | lundman, interesting. So there is at least two revisions of the mele board then. Can you post a picture of yours? |
| 08:49.20 | eFfeM_work | guess I can feed the cable out through the disk slot (or are there better solutions) |
| 08:49.42 | eFfeM_work | if desired I can make an A2000 pic once I opened mine |
| 08:50.09 | lundman | or did I get it from the pic |
| 08:50.16 | lundman | I have a pic on my phone, one sec |
| 08:50.41 | lundman | luckily phone is 12mp so I can zoom in. it does not say on the board |
| 08:51.11 | hno | eFfeM_work, if you see any differences other than the UART connector model then please. I.e. different board revision number or additional internal connectors mounted. |
| 08:51.30 | lundman | the a2000 pin is "side ways" ie, cables go toward the backpane |
| 08:51.33 | eFfeM_work | ok, not fully sure when I will get to this, fairly busy |
| 08:51.39 | hno | if only difference is the UART connector type then no need to. |
| 08:53.21 | eFfeM_work | btw anyone familiar on how to get ubuntu boot from HD instead of SD (SD is sloooow); preferably a usb hd |
| 08:54.33 | hno | eFfeM_work, you need to boot u-boot & kernel from SD or NAND. But root can be on SATA just fine. You only need to change kernel command line to match. |
| 08:54.55 | lundman | http://www.lundman.net/mele_a2000.jpg |
| 08:55.52 | eFfeM_work | hno, yeah figured that, fairly proficient with that, only not sure how to change u-boot bootargs |
| 08:56.05 | hno | lundman, yes that's the excapt same board as in the A1000 save for the model of the UART connector. |
| 08:56.13 | lundman | yeps |
| 08:56.37 | hno | eFfeM_work, if using my u-boot then you just need to make a boot.scr in the sdcard boot partition. |
| 08:57.34 | eFfeM_work | hno I'm still using a std box, installed ubuntu according to the wiki, not sure if that uses your u-boot, didn't have console yet so I do not see the u-boot messages |
| 08:57.42 | eFfeM_work | that is why I was asking aobut serial |
| 08:59.24 | hno | eFfeM_work, https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/wiki |
| 09:00.33 | hno | eFfeM_work, mele-ubuntu-lucid.img? |
| 09:03.28 | hno | eFfeM_work, that's not my version. But you can easily switch. |
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| 09:08.54 | hno | Turl, hipboi found me some magic numbers enabling a proper reload of the watchdog. |
| 09:12.23 | Turl | hno: awesome |
| 09:13.07 | Turl | hno: any info on the scale? |
| 09:13.16 | hno | why one would want to design hardware so that the use of a magic number is needed to reload a watchdog beats me. |
| 09:13.51 | hno | no info on timer scale. but values above 23 do not work. |
| 09:15.16 | hno | driver limits timer range to max 23. |
| 09:15.19 | hno | now |
| 09:16.18 | Turl | hno: consider the fact that I'm still pretty much asleep, but all those bit shifting and ORing looks really... "magical" |
| 09:16.50 | hno | Not really. But the MAGIC constant is. |
| 09:17.43 | hno | updates register guide a bit |
| 09:20.14 | RaYmAn | det vigtigste er at fri-tekst versionen matcher 100% |
| 09:20.18 | RaYmAn | bah |
| 09:20.25 | RaYmAn | damn auto-send on paste |
| 09:20.30 | Turl | :p |
| 09:23.39 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r9f2572786f2e /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide/A10_TIMER.mdwn: Updated watchdog with magic reload information. |
| 09:24.44 | hno | Turl, it's just bitfields. The _b_ defines are bit positions. |
| 09:26.11 | Turl | hno: yeah I know |
| 09:26.25 | Turl | I just don't like how it looks :P |
| 09:26.40 | hno | Suggestion on better formatting is welcome. |
| 09:26.47 | Turl | I tend to use bitfields |
| 09:27.08 | hno | not sure how to fit that in writel wanting an integer. |
| 09:27.15 | Turl | union |
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| 09:43.58 | hno | Turl, simplified it a bit by moving the bit details to the defines. |
| 09:45.55 | Turl | hno: good |
| 09:46.28 | Turl | hno: http://paste.debian.net/176899/ doesn't look as good either |
| 09:48.10 | Turl | hno: yep looks much better now with the details on the macros |
| 09:50.23 | hno | Turl, your code leaves upper 24 bits unassigned random garbage. |
| 09:51.37 | Turl | hno: yeah, it was just a quick test I put together to see how it'd look |
| 09:52.04 | hno | Or... no but it makes it unpredictable if those bits is returned in i or not.. struct size is 32 bits. |
| 09:52.17 | hno | i inspector just 8. But which 8? |
| 09:52.33 | hno | No, it's ok. |
| 09:52.38 | Turl | both 'sides' of the union are length 8 |
| 09:53.02 | hno | no, both sides are unsigned int, with just 8 bits defined. |
| 09:53.28 | hno | and 24 bits inaccessible. |
| 09:54.06 | hno | or whatever size unsigned in have on your platform.. (not that I have seen any other than 32-bit) |
| 09:54.39 | Turl | sizeof(unsigned int) returns 4 |
| 09:54.59 | hno | yes, that is 32 bit. |
| 09:55.19 | Turl | http://paste.debian.net/176901/ |
| 09:57.01 | hno | better. But not sure it's more readable than the defines. And easy to miss the cleanup causing a mess. |
| 09:57.09 | Turl | unions are subject to endianness though, so yeah, bit shifting is better I suppose |
| 09:57.23 | Turl | yeah, the defines look better indeed after the cleanup |
| 09:57.32 | hno | bit shifting have the same endianness issue. |
| 09:58.01 | specing | best is to use ntohl family of functions |
| 10:00.04 | hno | there is other access methods when it matters, i.e. in/out_le32. |
| 10:00.43 | specing | heh |
| 10:00.50 | Turl | bbl today, gotta run |
| 10:01.11 | specing | But I guess using ntohX is the future-compatible user-space method |
| 10:01.25 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Ed master * re6c127a91490 /allwinner_a10/orders/munchausen1.mdwn: |
| 10:02.17 | hno | specing, ntohl only solves half of the equation. There is also big-endian hardware. |
| 10:02.46 | hno | better to use explicit endian functions (be/le) |
| 10:03.02 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Ed master * r99eccda24eaf /allwinner_a10/orders/munchausen1.mdwn: |
| 10:03.23 | specing | hno: It solves it fully |
| 10:03.34 | specing | network-to-host |
| 10:03.39 | hno | sorry, mean little endian hardware. |
| 10:03.40 | specing | (order) |
| 10:03.57 | hno | specing, yes. as network standard is big endian. |
| 10:04.21 | hno | but do not solve accessing litte endian hardware on big endian host. |
| 10:04.51 | hno | ntohl do nothing on big endian machines. |
| 10:05.10 | specing | yes, because network order is big endian |
| 10:07.27 | hno | and I am dealing with little endian hardware. |
| 10:08.07 | hno | not network. |
| 10:16.47 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Massimo master * r2904fe6364db /allwinner_a10/orders/likuid.mdwn: |
| 10:19.30 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Jean-Luc_Aufranc master * r3c5b7b1091d3 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: |
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| 12:15.45 | eFfeM_work | hno: was dragged into a meeting; wrt the ubuntu image: I used https://dl.dropbox.com/u/45842273/ubuntu-server-12.06-armhf.tar.gz iirc |
| 12:15.52 | eFfeM_work | got it through this http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/22/ubuntu-12-04-server-armhf-image-for-mele-a1000a2000/ |
| 12:16.07 | eFfeM_work | I need a 12.04 image for this project |
| 12:17.05 | eFfeM_work | still learning how to do things on the a1000, haven't gotten it that long |
| 12:20.18 | eFfeM_work | wow, tried to d/l the official ICS; I get a whopping speed of about 3.5-4KB/s; eta 19 hrs .... |
| 12:20.57 | lundman | tryit from my ftp? |
| 12:21.21 | eFfeM_work | ah, you already have it mirrored, nice! |
| 12:21.52 | lundman | ifit came out a week or so ago? |
| 12:22.13 | lundman | or did something comeout in the last hour? |
| 12:22.30 | eFfeM_work | last few hours |
| 12:22.34 | eFfeM_work | i think |
| 12:23.13 | lundman | not |
| 12:23.29 | lundman | http://lundman.net/ftp/mele/ homlet_4.0_v1.0_20120609_dd.img.lzma |
| 12:23.32 | lundman | -space |
| 12:24.01 | eFfeM_work | dont think that is the one |
| 12:24.05 | specing | s/\ // |
| 12:24.15 | specing | lundman: ^ |
| 12:24.20 | lundman | s/ // |
| 12:24.20 | specing | ibot can fix it! :) |
| 12:24.21 | eFfeM_work | from the mailing list: |
| 12:24.22 | eFfeM_work | It looks like that official ICS build for Mele A1000/A2000 appeared. |
| 12:24.22 | eFfeM_work | http://www.mele.cn/en/web/down_list.aspx?cid=GJS |
| 12:24.22 | eFfeM_work | I'm trying to download it but it is very very very slow process. |
| 12:24.22 | eFfeM_work | Anyone tried it already? |
| 12:24.35 | lundman | bastards, I check that url every damned day |
| 12:24.48 | eFfeM_work | 2012-6-29 |
| 12:24.48 | lundman | but japan might get better speed from china |
| 12:25.00 | eFfeM_work | I'm in .nl |
| 12:25.18 | lundman | now I wish I didnt leave mele in the office |
| 12:25.29 | lundman | heh mele www is hammere |
| 12:25.38 | lundman | whoemever gets highest speed...:) |
| 12:28.29 | lundman | 4k or so |
| 12:28.59 | specing | :O |
| 12:29.34 | specing | Maybe hipboi can do it |
| 12:29.56 | specing | But then there is the great firewall and slow VPNs... |
| 12:30.40 | specing | eFfeM_work: When you finish downloading you can put it on dropbox or some other hosting site |
| 12:30.53 | eFfeM_work | i can, I'll leave it on over the weekend |
| 12:31.01 | specing | eFfeM_work: Or make a .torrent and it will be faster |
| 12:31.15 | eFfeM_work | can't host a torrent from work |
| 12:31.36 | eFfeM_work | and still need to hammer my mele to act as a server for all kind of things |
| 12:31.40 | specing | then do it from home, silly |
| 12:31.55 | eFfeM_work | that is where I have purchased the mele for |
| 12:32.34 | eFfeM_work | but need to set it up, don't want to keep my PC on 24/7, not energy friendly and the mrs does not like it blowing all day |
| 12:33.03 | lundman | I can share easy, but yeah, need the file first |
| 12:33.06 | specing | heh |
| 12:33.14 | specing | eFfeM_work: I have my laptop on 24/7 |
| 12:33.24 | specing | electricity is cheap |
| 12:33.34 | lundman | i think their host died |
| 12:36.17 | eFfeM_work | I still get 830 B/s |
| 12:36.21 | eFfeM_work | eta 3 d 11 h |
| 12:36.35 | eFfeM_work | electricity is not *that* cheap here |
| 12:36.50 | eFfeM_work | for laptop or mele it is ok, not for a 300 W or so PC |
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| 12:47.02 | specing | eFfeM_work: electricity is only the dynamic part of the bill, and it is around 1/3 of it |
| 12:47.16 | eFfeM_work | not here |
| 12:47.27 | specing | the other 2/3 are for paying incompetent politicians and other asskissers |
| 12:47.34 | eFfeM_work | ah yes |
| 12:47.50 | eFfeM_work | in that case it is actually less than 25 % |
| 12:48.05 | eFfeM_work | here at least |
| 12:48.09 | eFfeM_work | due to taxes etc |
| 12:48.56 | specing | heh |
| 12:48.57 | specing | see? |
| 12:49.23 | specing | When somebody tells me why am I wasting electricity I just punch them in the face |
| 12:49.33 | specing | s/tells/asks/ |
| 12:50.21 | specing | If only the people would get the whole picture |
| 12:50.52 | M2tias | are people here really so stupid they need a bot like taht |
| 12:50.53 | specing | when they see a E120 product in the shop, they say: "why is this so expensive"? |
| 12:50.55 | M2tias | s/taht/that/ |
| 12:51.00 | M2tias | ... |
| 12:51.02 | specing | lol |
| 12:51.29 | specing | instead they should be like: "Fucking government is stealing our money all the time" |
| 12:51.49 | specing | And If 1M people would do that, there wouldn't be any government anymore |
| 12:52.33 | specing | Its exactly like paying some random stranger on the street to control your life, are we fukcing insane or what? |
| 12:55.37 | hno | Can someone verify if u-boot still works in default configuration without boot.scr? |
| 12:56.13 | specing | speaking of uboot, is there a version that doesen't assume you are using the mmc pins for serial? |
| 12:56.31 | specing | "hands" one assumes that |
| 12:56.43 | hno | u-boot-mmc don't.. but it also do not know nand. |
| 12:57.15 | specing | ? |
| 12:57.42 | hno | https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner |
| 12:59.30 | specing | ah |
| 12:59.50 | specing | the one linked from the hacking mele page assumes mmc pins |
| 13:00.41 | specing | We have 2+ uboot trees, 4?+ kernel trees and 5 wikis... awfull |
| 13:01.25 | lundman | i have one too! |
| 13:01.31 | lundman | :) |
| 13:02.20 | specing | D: |
| 13:02.38 | hno | we have one free u-boot tree capable of booting standalone from mmc, and one android u-boot which requires chainloading from allwinner bootloader. |
| 13:02.46 | specing | hno: can you add defines for the other 4 serial ports, too? |
| 13:03.07 | hno | send em a patch / push request. |
| 13:03.14 | specing | D: |
| 13:03.24 | specing | Its just 4 copy&paste lines hno ... |
| 13:03.38 | specing | line 60 of sun4i.h |
| 13:03.39 | hno | then it's a quick job for you. I have to search for them. |
| 13:03.44 | specing | -.- |
| 13:04.25 | lundman | ohoh and a uboot with ext4/zfs and nand support! |
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| 13:06.43 | lundman | woo first meg down! |
| 13:07.01 | hno | of mele ics? |
| 13:07.07 | lundman | ye |
| 13:07.09 | specing | lundman: How many? |
| 13:07.22 | lundman | how many what? |
| 13:07.29 | specing | and why are you clogging the tubes when eFfeM_work is already d/l it? |
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| 13:07.37 | specing | What is its size? |
| 13:07.41 | lundman | spec: I'm getting 1K more |
| 13:07.46 | specing | :O |
| 13:07.52 | specing | where are you? |
| 13:07.56 | lundman | tokyo |
| 13:07.59 | specing | Ah |
| 13:08.05 | lundman | we need someone in china! |
| 13:08.07 | specing | better... |
| 13:08.37 | zenitraM | any direct link? |
| 13:08.49 | zenitraM | i'll try to wget it from my server... but the site is unaccessible |
| 13:09.00 | hno | dout it helps much being in china. |
| 13:09.01 | lundman | tok->osa->hk |
| 13:09.16 | lundman | 16 hopd |
| 13:09.24 | lundman | s/hopd/hops/ |
| 13:09.26 | hno | probably their link is overloaded |
| 13:09.31 | lundman | ot most likely is |
| 13:09.37 | lundman | ffs |
| 13:10.07 | lundman | but, I might go sleep, and get it from you guys tomorrow then |
| 13:10.17 | specing | serial.c:56:2: error: #error "Invalid console index value." |
| 13:10.19 | specing | dammit |
| 13:10.22 | specing | Uboot... |
| 13:10.31 | specing | hits uboot with a torpedo |
| 13:10.42 | hno | specing, it's more than 4 lines copy-paste. you also need GPIO pin configs. |
| 13:10.53 | specing | lundman: We've successfully DDoSed mele's site, it seems! |
| 13:11.10 | zenitraM | this might or might not be the same file: http://115.com/file/anp42eb5 |
| 13:11.12 | lundman | waiit waiit, we are anonymous now |
| 13:11.26 | zenitraM | link obtained from http://e.weibo.com/2334593882/yq1sjskUJ |
| 13:11.28 | hno | is not |
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| 13:11.32 | specing | hno: Can I just put #define CONFIG_SYS_NS16550_COM1 to the S5? |
| 13:11.59 | gnexus | good afternoon guys |
| 13:12.03 | specing | hno: where are the pin cfgs? |
| 13:12.32 | lundman | zen: not much faster for me |
| 13:12.52 | hno | No, you also need the GPIO pin config to enable them on the right pins, and mae sure only the right one has it's GPIO pin config programmed. |
| 13:13.16 | gnexus | lundman: the u2 u/l is screaming along at v.34bis! |
| 13:13.46 | hno | specing, sunxi/board.c gpio_init() |
| 13:13.48 | lundman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.48 | lundman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.58 | lundman | Length: 261462296 |
| 13:14.04 | lundman | so, nope, different sizes |
| 13:14.34 | hno | in the free uboot, not the android one. No idea if the android one even touches GPIO. There pins are already configured by Allwinner bootloader. |
| 13:15.27 | gnexus | hno: are there any type of docs for pins in uboot? |
| 13:16.29 | gnexus | hno: also, is there source for the Android uboot? |
| 13:16.38 | hno | gnexus, there is the A10 datascheet and the A10 PIO users guide. Both have pin configuration details. |
| 13:16.54 | gnexus | hno: okay |
| 13:16.55 | hno | is not drunk, I promise. |
| 13:17.06 | specing | lundman: How fast are you downloading? |
| 13:19.17 | xxiao | 4.0.4, where to get source |
| 13:19.22 | xxiao | for mele that is |
| 13:19.46 | gnexus | xxiao: what about jb? |
| 13:20.02 | xxiao | gnexus: jb? |
| 13:20.11 | xxiao | jailbreak or what |
| 13:20.14 | gnexus | xxiao: jelly bean |
| 13:20.24 | hno | xxiao, you don't.. mele have no interst in providing source, if they even have source.. |
| 13:20.43 | xxiao | gnexus: JB's code will not be out until late July |
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| 13:21.10 | hno | jelly bean? Another Android? |
| 13:21.30 | xxiao | all android releases made my teeth hurt |
| 13:21.36 | gnexus | xxiao: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-4-1-jelly-bean-for-the-gsm-galaxy-nexus-ripped/ |
| 13:22.49 | xxiao | gnexus: yeah, JB is out, its GPL-ed code is out, but the whole code is not on git with a tag yet |
| 13:23.20 | xxiao | i'm thinking to get 4.1 running on pandaboard and beaglebone first |
| 13:23.26 | mnemoc | xxiao: jb code out??? |
| 13:23.31 | specing | hno: Why is SUNXI_GPB22_UART0_TX defined in 4 places? |
| 13:23.34 | xxiao | mnemoc: partially |
| 13:23.48 | hno | Did they provide kernel source to Google I/O attendees? |
| 13:24.16 | hno | specing, is it? |
| 13:24.22 | specing | yes, grep -R it |
| 13:24.37 | gnexus | lundman: 100% 1935MB 47.3KB/s 11:38:30 |
| 13:24.45 | specing | gpio.h seems to be multiplied to 4 locations |
| 13:25.04 | gnexus | lundman: slightly faster than v.34. . . |
| 13:25.42 | hno | specing, I only get arch/arm/include/asm/arch-sunxi/gpio.h. Then there is a lot of symlinks in include/ that probably confuses grep -R |
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| 13:26.05 | specing | ah |
| 13:26.06 | hno | find * -type f -print | xargs grep SUNXI_GPB22_UART0_TX |
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| 13:32.09 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r95485526b9c5 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: Cleared up confusion about mmc and android u-boot |
| 13:32.11 | hno | specing, fixed the hacking page uboot section. |
| 13:32.19 | hno | that text was very misleading. |
| 13:33.34 | hno | not sure why one would want to hack the internal u-boot to boot from mmc when the first boot device the A10 looks at is mmc0. |
| 13:38.05 | specing | heh |
| 13:43.04 | gnexus | i was getting scared for a sec! |
| 13:44.10 | gnexus | "/dev/mapper/" shows 7 partitions mounted on the image! |
| 13:48.28 | gnexus | would be a disaster if i put that one by mistake! |
| 13:52.16 | gnexus | hno: hacking page uboot section where? |
| 13:53.02 | gnexus | hno: sounds like my kind of thing |
| 13:58.36 | specing | I think my SDcard got its MBR deleted somehow... |
| 13:58.38 | specing | :( |
| 13:59.13 | specing | looks into dmesg logs for the mbr info |
| 13:59.42 | gnexus | specing: i thought my SD had it's partition table messed up... |
| 14:00.47 | gnexus | specing:old image was still mounted. . . |
| 14:01.49 | gnexus | kpartx -d SDcard.img.orig |
| 14:02.20 | specing | 2012.06.29T16:01:59 [kernel] mmcblk0: error -84 transferring data, sector 7, nr 1, cmd response 0x900, card status 0x0 |
| 14:02.29 | specing | I always get the short end of the stick :( |
| 14:02.38 | gnexus | anybody tried using kvm for images? |
| 14:02.50 | specing | gnexus: kvm is only x86 |
| 14:03.05 | specing | you can use qemu-chroot and distcc |
| 14:03.13 | gnexus | specing: sorry - meant qemu |
| 14:04.28 | gnexus | specing: not chroot - native image |
| 14:05.15 | gnexus | i think chroot is what screwed my debian depmod. . . |
| 14:05.50 | gnexus | will modules link properly in chroot? |
| 14:07.51 | gnexus | specing: i like the distcc idea! |
| 14:08.09 | specing | gnexus: What will you compile? |
| 14:08.40 | gnexus | specing: kernels right now... |
| 14:09.17 | gnexus | specing: i would rather do other things, but need that working 1st |
| 14:10.57 | specing | You can cross-compile the kernel |
| 14:11.25 | specing | I think my uSD card is nuked :( |
| 14:12.31 | xxiao | specing: kvm is also for powerpc etc |
| 14:12.40 | xxiao | specing: arm porting is ongoing too |
| 14:12.52 | specing | Ah no, the card is fine |
| 14:13.05 | gnexus | i hate cross-compiling |
| 14:13.11 | specing | gnexus: why? |
| 14:13.15 | specing | Its fast! |
| 14:13.26 | xxiao | uses commercial SLC SD cards which is assusmed to be more robust |
| 14:13.39 | specing | *assumed* |
| 14:13.43 | gnexus | fast but often not properly optimized |
| 14:13.48 | xxiao | the problem is that a 4GB SLC SD card is like $40USD |
| 14:14.05 | gnexus | and native is much more straightforward |
| 14:14.12 | specing | gnexus: optimizations are dependent on the flags you give |
| 14:14.28 | gnexus | especially for kernels |
| 14:14.32 | xxiao | gnexus: checking tizen's build env, native under qemu |
| 14:14.35 | specing | gnexus: If you want to compile an optimal image, you can help me get Gentoo working |
| 14:14.56 | gnexus | specing: i hate screwing with flags if i dont need to |
| 14:15.01 | xxiao | is struggling with building ncurses-5.7 for arm9 here |
| 14:15.06 | xxiao | cross compiling that is |
| 14:15.25 | gnexus | building on a10 is fast enough for me... |
| 14:15.37 | specing | hno: can the mmc boot page be fixed so that copy&paste users dont accidently overwrite their HDD? |
| 14:15.41 | gnexus | not like using a kirkwood! |
| 14:15.44 | xxiao | i think debian guys used a few arm machines to do native build |
| 14:15.54 | specing | of=/dev/sdb to /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 14:16.17 | gnexus | some distros like fedora require native builds |
| 14:16.38 | specing | python requires a native build, your argument is invalid |
| 14:16.56 | gnexus | it took them forever to get F8 done. . . |
| 14:17.26 | xxiao | leaves for work |
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| 14:19.55 | specing | LD [M] drivers/gpu/mali/mali/mali.ko # hehe, those kernel trees are not exactly GPL compliant, are they? :P |
| 14:20.36 | mnemoc | specing: they are GPL |
| 14:21.23 | mnemoc | specing: those modules only provide glue to connect the closed userspace drivers with the hardware |
| 14:21.38 | mnemoc | dumb mmap and ioctl interfaces |
| 14:24.11 | gnexus | speaking of fedora, anybody tried a10 F17 yet? |
| 14:24.22 | specing | Ah |
| 14:24.26 | specing | I forgot |
| 14:24.55 | specing | gnexus: Can we please all use Gentoo from now on? :D |
| 14:26.54 | gnexus | specing: :) |
| 14:27.38 | gnexus | u2 is in the rootfs image also... |
| 14:28.03 | specing | u2? |
| 14:28.16 | gnexus | bono is going to come knockin' on my door |
| 14:28.38 | gnexus | with an MPAA warrant! |
| 14:29.04 | gnexus | at least i'll get to meet him! |
| 14:29.40 | specing | Who is bono? |
| 14:29.51 | hno | specing, which page needs fixing? |
| 14:29.59 | gnexus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bono |
| 14:30.34 | specing | hno: the mmc boot one |
| 14:30.55 | specing | hno: it is not broken, but someone might overwrite something on his HDD |
| 14:31.14 | specing | hno: And I've never seen in my life that SD cards would register as sdX |
| 14:31.23 | specing | they are mmcblkXpY everywhere |
| 14:31.35 | gnexus | i hope he uses ubuntu! |
| 14:31.53 | gnexus | whoops. . . lubuntu |
| 14:32.20 | hno | specing, which page. URL please. And most who access SD from a desktop will be using an usb card reader and it's then /dev/sd.. |
| 14:33.01 | gnexus | hno: my sd is sdb when using a usb card reader |
| 14:33.04 | specing | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_mmc_boot/ |
| 14:33.25 | specing | hno: All laptops have card readers which register as /dev/mmc... |
| 14:33.55 | hno | specing, not the ones I have seen. They have all had usb card readers built in. |
| 14:34.00 | hno | mine included. |
| 14:34.16 | gnexus | i had probs with the laptop card reader so i use sdb |
| 14:34.42 | gnexus | mmc did not always sync |
| 14:35.00 | specing | Well mnemoc was right, the RT's wiki is indeed awfull |
| 14:35.37 | hno | specing, and also, you have equal rights and abilities as me to edit that page. |
| 14:35.57 | gnexus | it is awful, thats why i put up the forum |
| 14:36.12 | specing | gnexus: we have linux-sunxi.org now |
| 14:36.30 | gnexus | specing: but not then. . . |
| 14:36.48 | mnemoc | still doesn't have enough content to send people there |
| 14:37.04 | mnemoc | unless it's people willing to add content obviusly |
| 14:37.08 | gnexus | specing: need to copy the stuff from my forum posts there |
| 14:37.34 | specing | Hmm, it doesent boot |
| 14:38.13 | gnexus | at jeffs site we were trying to get a wiki done, but no volunteers |
| 14:38.52 | hno | mnemoc, can your wijki be mirrored someway reasonable? Don't like spending time on pouring information into "random" online resources which I can not back up. |
| 14:39.36 | mnemoc | hno: ssh as hno using your public key |
| 14:40.08 | mnemoc | data is stored on postgresql and files in the images/ dir |
| 14:41.06 | mnemoc | hno: the other way is to use the python bot library |
| 14:41.31 | mnemoc | hno: you can script your way in, to backup, modify or create content |
| 14:43.24 | mnemoc | hno: there are libraries in other languages too http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code .... even haskell :p |
| 14:44.27 | mnemoc | with that and some awk dancing it should be easy to programatically move content |
| 14:44.41 | gnexus | sha256sum lubuntu-12.04-LTS-r1.rootfs.armv7l.tar.bz2 |
| 14:44.50 | gnexus | c1c6993da8fe865e8e580ec3cfce9545448363f9d0fabe76b88e8c6363c3330d |
| 14:45.15 | gnexus | put lubuntu-12.04-LTS-r1.rootfs.armv7l.tar.bz2 |
| 14:45.39 | gnexus | for people that don't need the full image |
| 14:46.44 | mnemoc | gnexus: wiki wiki :) |
| 14:47.22 | gnexus | mnemoc: your wiki? |
| 14:47.48 | mnemoc | it's not *mine* |
| 14:48.10 | gnexus | okay THE wiki? |
| 14:48.24 | mnemoc | the community wiki :) |
| 14:48.51 | mnemoc | I only happen to be paying for the hosting and name |
| 14:49.14 | gnexus | as i said, i refused to volunteer to maintain or edit a wiki at jeffs site |
| 14:49.25 | xxiao | jeffs site |
| 14:49.48 | hno | jeff? |
| 14:50.13 | mnemoc | gnexus: no one is forcing you to contribute |
| 14:50.51 | gnexus | http://forum.doozan.com |
| 14:51.09 | gnexus | "/a10" |
| 14:52.09 | gnexus | mnemoc: i want to contribute |
| 14:52.24 | xxiao | why NAS |
| 14:52.55 | xxiao | looks like Jeff was hacking NAS mainly |
| 14:52.57 | gnexus | it all started here: http://projects.doozan.com/debian/ |
| 14:52.58 | mnemoc | gnexus: then go ahead an make a wiki page with ubuntu images ;-) |
| 14:53.25 | gnexus | mnemoc: i'll do the images |
| 14:53.42 | xxiao | it's said Marvell's PLUG is fully dominating the low-end NAS market |
| 14:53.51 | gnexus | mnemoc: somebody else can edit the wikis |
| 14:54.59 | gnexus | xxiao: GoFlex Net is awesome little server! |
| 14:55.32 | gnexus | xxiao: and a very slow armv5 build platform |
| 14:55.55 | gnexus | a10 is much better! |
| 14:56.29 | gnexus | kirkwood is showing its age... |
| 14:57.12 | xxiao | gnexus: a10 is good at decoding but might not be that good at SATA? |
| 14:57.19 | xxiao | anyone stressed its sata port? |
| 14:57.37 | xxiao | is GoFlex using usb or sata for HDD? |
| 14:57.39 | gnexus | xxiao: can u boot from sata? |
| 14:58.00 | xxiao | gnexus: i'm waiting for my A2000 at this stage... |
| 14:58.12 | xxiao | if A10 supports it, it surely should be able to |
| 14:58.39 | xxiao | but if you want to run NAS etc you may want to boot from other media e.g. SD |
| 14:59.13 | gnexus | xxiao: i am using 2 WD2002FAEX on each of mine |
| 14:59.49 | gnexus | a10 supports sata but they say nothing about sata boot |
| 15:00.28 | gnexus | uboot would need support for the controller compiled into it |
| 15:01.23 | xxiao | just checked WD2002 is SATA-III? |
| 15:01.46 | xxiao | can GoFlex support that? |
| 15:01.48 | gnexus | xxiao: GoFlex can boot from SATA, USB or NAND in any order |
| 15:02.09 | xxiao | http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-STAK100-FreeAgent-GoFlex-Sharing/dp/B003IT6YFU ? |
| 15:02.29 | xxiao | i have a pogoplug laying on my desk and is not in active use |
| 15:02.37 | xxiao | it's USB disk though |
| 15:02.42 | gnexus | xxiao: drive is sata3, goflex is sata2 |
| 15:03.17 | gnexus | i have dockstar on my table doing nothing |
| 15:03.33 | gnexus | just like a pogoplug... |
| 15:03.46 | xxiao | for 90% people their storage server is the PC itself |
| 15:03.52 | gnexus | i sold it to a guy in Slovenia |
| 15:04.23 | gnexus | he was nice enough to erase mtd0 and send it back to me... |
| 15:04.35 | xxiao | he must be a geek! |
| 15:04.38 | gnexus | it had to be jtagged |
| 15:05.06 | gnexus | what is stupid is it has the newest uboot version! |
| 15:05.42 | gnexus | he was trying to install the older one that will not support linux-3.2 |
| 15:06.04 | gnexus | and it has 3.3 on it! |
| 15:08.10 | gnexus | put is up to 56k now! jeff got a new v.92 modem i suppose! |
| 15:10.39 | xxiao | why does it take 24 hours to verify my credit card while buying A2000? |
| 15:11.37 | rm | Aliexpess is like that on all orders |
| 15:12.10 | gnexus | speaking of uboot |
| 15:12.13 | rm | I suppose they take some cooldown time in case it was a fraud and the transaction is to be rolled back |
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| 15:14.07 | gnexus | it must be rebased to at least u-boot-2011.12 to support linux-3.2 |
| 15:14.33 | gnexus | otherwise the kernel will hang... |
| 15:15.46 | gnexus | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/127951/focus=151172 |
| 15:19.14 | gnexus | are there any sun5i devices out yet? |
| 15:19.16 | mnemoc | gnexus: unfortunatelly hno hasn't managed to get 2011.12 booting on sun4i :< ... he had to downgrade it after a very log battle :-\ |
| 15:19.30 | mnemoc | gnexus: yes, called A13 |
| 15:19.45 | gnexus | mnemoc: great... |
| 15:19.49 | mnemoc | it's a trimmed down version of the A10 |
| 15:20.01 | mnemoc | for cheaper tablets |
| 15:20.14 | gnexus | mnemoc: i know all that. i said DEVICES. Not socs |
| 15:20.38 | mnemoc | many |
| 15:20.55 | gnexus | where? |
| 15:21.32 | mnemoc | china and chinese online shops |
| 15:21.52 | gnexus | here: http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=a13&catId=0&manual=y |
| 15:22.18 | gnexus | mnemoc: many many many! |
| 15:22.27 | xxiao | right, A13 is selling everywhere now |
| 15:22.55 | gnexus | i'll have to get jeff to update his forum name... |
| 15:23.53 | gnexus | "Allwinner A10/A13" |
| 15:25.10 | gnexus | mnemoc: a13 will boot a10 sd cards? |
| 15:25.54 | gnexus | mnemoc: no changes right? |
| 15:26.06 | mnemoc | one day will |
| 15:26.32 | gnexus | mnemoc: "one day" . . . |
| 15:26.43 | mnemoc | our uboot doesn't know to initialize the sun5i ram yet |
| 15:26.53 | gnexus | oh crap! |
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| 15:27.19 | gnexus | just lovely. . . |
| 15:28.00 | gnexus | the changes aren't documented somewhere? |
| 15:28.51 | rm | does anyone want a Raspberry Pi ordering link for the US/Canada? |
| 15:29.07 | gnexus | no! |
| 15:29.12 | alienBOB | I know someone perhaps |
| 15:29.18 | rm | http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/ |
| 15:29.26 | rm | I don't know if it's a unique link or not |
| 15:29.36 | rm | but seems to be no way to get to there from the main website |
| 15:29.41 | gnexus | i'm still mad at broadcom... |
| 15:30.30 | gnexus | can't believe i even considered a pi at some point... |
| 15:32.00 | gnexus | also broadcom is british... |
| 15:32.06 | gnexus | ;) |
| 15:35.01 | gnexus | mnemoc: why must you link to google docs on th wiki? |
| 15:35.09 | xxiao | gnexus: i am with you on this |
| 15:35.21 | xxiao | i never even consider broadcom for anything |
| 15:35.47 | gnexus | xxiao: they screwed us bad on the n800... |
| 15:35.51 | mnemoc | gnexus: feel free to improve the wiki |
| 15:36.16 | gnexus | mnemoc: thanks. . . |
| 15:36.28 | gnexus | mnemoc: maybe later... |
| 15:37.15 | mnemoc | the initial content in "Main Page" was simply a paste from the content I had in my personal website about sunxi |
| 15:38.02 | gnexus | makes sense, but is it that hard to post a .doc? |
| 15:38.34 | gnexus | or is that infringement? |
| 15:39.07 | mnemoc | I would prefer to not attach .doc files with "confidential" text all around in the wiki directly |
| 15:39.25 | xxiao | for some doc you do need NDA with allwinner |
| 15:39.36 | mnemoc | not for those |
| 15:40.22 | gnexus | but a product brief? |
| 15:40.43 | mnemoc | wikified content is better welcomed |
| 15:41.00 | gnexus | i dont want to go to google docs just to see that. |
| 15:41.10 | mnemoc | download it |
| 15:41.18 | gnexus | did already |
| 15:41.36 | gnexus | so i could actually read it. . . |
| 15:41.58 | gnexus | not much there though |
| 15:42.05 | gnexus | process size? |
| 15:42.14 | specing | Anyway Olimex will take care of sun5i |
| 15:42.33 | specing | We should focus on getting good sun4i support |
| 15:43.05 | gnexus | specing: good! it is also open soc like a10? |
| 15:43.22 | specing | a10 is not open |
| 15:43.24 | specing | it is leaked. |
| 15:43.33 | specing | I do not know the state of sun5i |
| 15:43.35 | gnexus | "kind of" open... |
| 15:44.28 | specing | hno: I've done: |
| 15:44.30 | specing | #define CONFIG_SYS_NS16550_COM1 SUNXI_UART5_BASE |
| 15:44.47 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.47 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.01 | specing | It doesen't produce anything on the uart5 pins |
| 15:45.07 | gnexus | now that it is leaked will awt give out more info? |
| 15:45.41 | mnemoc | gnexus: nope |
| 15:46.23 | mnemoc | but they were kind enough to properly GPL the leaked code |
| 15:46.41 | gnexus | mnemoc: what i was fixing to say |
| 15:47.10 | gnexus | i saw they gpl'd it |
| 15:47.29 | gnexus | how kind... |
| 15:48.37 | gnexus | a13 is on same process node? |
| 15:49.08 | mnemoc | process node? |
| 15:49.12 | gnexus | or is it a die shrink |
| 15:49.18 | gnexus | 55nm |
| 15:50.07 | mnemoc | a13 is tqfp |
| 15:50.27 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Nik master * rbb8f99b44be4 /allwinner_a10/orders/NikLegaloff.mdwn: |
| 15:50.52 | gnexus | tqfp is package type, not process node |
| 15:51.05 | gnexus | 55nm is a10 process node |
| 15:51.25 | mnemoc | no idea |
| 15:51.51 | specing | does it matter? :D |
| 15:52.24 | mnemoc | not for me |
| 15:52.40 | gnexus | others are at like 32nm |
| 15:52.51 | gnexus | intel is at 28nm |
| 15:52.56 | gnexus | yes it matters |
| 15:53.27 | gnexus | why spend labour to support obsolete? |
| 15:53.51 | mnemoc | cheaper factories |
| 15:54.15 | gnexus | mnemoc: i meant our labour... |
| 15:54.30 | specing | gnexus: Would you like to buy a $200 arm? |
| 15:54.39 | specing | That is what you get at 22nm |
| 15:54.43 | gnexus | mnemoc: certainly it makes sense for awt and their oems |
| 15:55.08 | gnexus | specing: thats why i'm here :) |
| 15:56.18 | gnexus | but if it soon becomes dead platform like kirkwood then that makes no sense |
| 15:56.54 | mnemoc | it's up to you where you invest your spare time |
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| 15:57.34 | gnexus | mnemoc: it makes sense to stay here for now |
| 15:58.02 | gnexus | just curious about the future... |
| 16:01.05 | mnemoc | cortex-a8 will remain relevant for a long time |
| 16:01.41 | mnemoc | unless the world really ends in december |
| 16:01.51 | gnexus | that is my opinion also, and why i'm here |
| 16:02.17 | gnexus | mnemoc: i thought that was supposed to happen last dec? ;) |
| 16:02.39 | gnexus | did they change the date? |
| 16:02.53 | mnemoc | there are many dates |
| 16:02.56 | xxiao | gnexus: i think soon you will see Quad-core A9 from allwinner |
| 16:03.20 | xxiao | though i don't know why I need that |
| 16:03.33 | gnexus | xxiao: i would be shocked to see it! |
| 16:03.34 | mnemoc | xxiao: sure it's cortex-a9? maybe a BIG.little thing |
| 16:03.38 | gnexus | but happy |
| 16:04.22 | gnexus | this is cool! olimex has a php script for gpio! |
| 16:04.31 | xxiao | mnemoc: it might be a rumor, but i heard they're working on quad-core A9 |
| 16:05.01 | gnexus | they would need to shrink the process... |
| 16:05.05 | mnemoc | i thought you could have the confirmation of an insider |
| 16:05.10 | mnemoc | gnexus: sure |
| 16:05.15 | gnexus | no way on 55nm |
| 16:05.22 | xxiao | Biglittle is with openrisc as the little |
| 16:06.19 | gnexus | olimex has a nice pcb screen there also! |
| 16:06.47 | mnemoc | cortex-A7 is the "little" for cortex-a15 |
| 16:06.51 | gnexus | olinuXino! funny! |
| 16:07.07 | xxiao | just googled it, it's dual-core A9 with quad-core mali400 |
| 16:07.19 | mnemoc | url? |
| 16:07.21 | gnexus | they are trying to do arduino? |
| 16:07.25 | xxiao | the name of the chip will be A15, their marketers are too smart |
| 16:07.44 | gnexus | xxiao: where? |
| 16:07.59 | mnemoc | hope you aren't using our irc logs are "reference" |
| 16:08.03 | mnemoc | as* |
| 16:08.04 | xxiao | google " allwinner a9 quad" |
| 16:08.12 | xxiao | at slatedroid |
| 16:08.42 | gnexus | http://ameblo.jp/lowcostmid/entry-11239257076.html |
| 16:08.50 | xxiao | mnemoc: i heard openrisc will be the little to save extra pennies |
| 16:09.00 | gnexus | i cant read japanese |
| 16:09.02 | mnemoc | http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a7.php |
| 16:09.25 | mnemoc | xxiao: BIG.little needs full assembly compatibility |
| 16:09.59 | xxiao | mnemoc: well, the little is mainly to do something like PMIC i assume |
| 16:10.11 | xxiao | why do I need that compatibility |
| 16:10.22 | gnexus | babelfish is bing now? |
| 16:10.25 | mnemoc | nope, the little keeps the normal operations of the computer when idling |
| 16:11.09 | mnemoc | xxiao: http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/biglittleprocessing.php |
| 16:11.31 | gnexus | soon it will only be ms and google... |
| 16:11.52 | xxiao | what is the A7 thing |
| 16:12.05 | mnemoc | /o\ |
| 16:12.10 | xxiao | A8, A9, A15, now A7 is something below A8? |
| 16:12.22 | xxiao | never saw any A7 on the market |
| 16:12.28 | mnemoc | 18:09:24 < mnemoc> http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a7.php |
| 16:12.33 | xxiao | by the way, allwinner took A10, A13 already |
| 16:13.07 | gnexus | a15: 40nm process node |
| 16:13.35 | gnexus | not much of a shrink |
| 16:13.54 | gnexus | but will save costs for them |
| 16:13.54 | xxiao | A7 is in the making then |
| 16:14.06 | hno | specing, trick question, who is involved in Olimex? |
| 16:14.07 | xxiao | A7 is a low-cost A15 it appears, and low-power A15 too |
| 16:14.20 | xxiao | why can't A15 supports more power-saving mode instead |
| 16:14.28 | hno | specing, nothing? |
| 16:14.29 | specing | hno: no idea |
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| 16:14.33 | xxiao | s/supports/support/ |
| 16:14.44 | specing | hno: nothing what? |
| 16:14.57 | specing | The serial port? |
| 16:14.59 | gnexus | xxiao: if a7 is 1/2 a15 die size is also 1/2 |
| 16:15.00 | specing | yes, nothing |
| 16:15.13 | specing | The first mmc partition is 32M though |
| 16:15.22 | specing | or 30M |
| 16:15.25 | gnexus | then prod cost would be 1/2 |
| 16:15.31 | xxiao | the biggle.little thing, like its name, is too odd for me |
| 16:15.58 | xxiao | maybe ARM is following P4, to the point power-saving becomes an issue |
| 16:16.29 | mnemoc | xxiao: big cores are powered off when the little core is enough to cope with the load |
| 16:17.10 | mnemoc | xxiao: and the little core is powered off when the big cores have taken over the job |
| 16:17.13 | xxiao | how about running A15 at different cpu freq to save power, like it has been? |
| 16:17.24 | hno | specing, yes serial. |
| 16:17.26 | xxiao | when nothing happens, just go to deep sleep |
| 16:17.30 | specing | hno: nothing ;( |
| 16:17.38 | xxiao | you only need super fast resume performance |
| 16:17.59 | specing | hno: uboot has issues with #define CONFIG_CONS_INDEX set to 5 |
| 16:18.00 | xxiao | again, the A7/A15 is strange to me, no matter what fancy name they got |
| 16:18.01 | mnemoc | xxiao: the a15s at minimal power consume more than the a7 |
| 16:18.17 | xxiao | then design a better A15 |
| 16:18.22 | xxiao | instead of piggyback an exta A7 |
| 16:19.15 | specing | hno: serial.c:56:2: error: #error "Invalid console index value." |
| 16:19.28 | hno | xxiao, big-little makes a lot sense when done right. A slow CPU for idle tasks, and multi-core high frequency but still low watt per processing cycle for compute intensive operations. |
| 16:19.34 | xxiao | human brain is a perfect example, i don't need a brain to do calculus, another one to jog |
| 16:19.35 | hno | specing, you configured serial 0 to UART5. |
| 16:19.37 | gnexus | awt has 60% market share... |
| 16:19.55 | gnexus | impressive! |
| 16:20.00 | xxiao | awt? |
| 16:20.10 | gnexus | allwinner |
| 16:20.30 | gnexus | allwinner tech |
| 16:20.31 | mnemoc | people likes to invent acronyms ;-) |
| 16:20.32 | gnexus | awt |
| 16:20.35 | hno | xxiao, no but you need one brain for taking care of your garbage, and a bunch of other brains for building your car. |
| 16:20.44 | gnexus | i cant type... |
| 16:20.45 | specing | hno: yes, but before that I tried to the usual procedure |
| 16:21.19 | specing | hno: Also I've noticed the gpio structure is 9 bytes in size, maybe it goes badly with offsets |
| 16:21.57 | specing | Also I've used armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi toolchain to cross-compile, and I dont know if that is the problem |
| 16:23.42 | xxiao | hno: that's different brain mode, anyway |
| 16:23.56 | gnexus | this is the part i dislike . . . |
| 16:23.58 | xxiao | our brain does have different areas, just like GPU/VPU along with CPU |
| 16:24.00 | gnexus | mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb2 |
| 16:24.13 | gnexus | bye bye ubuntu! |
| 16:24.58 | gnexus | nice knowing you mr Shuttleworth |
| 16:25.30 | xxiao | gnexus: i now someone is working on that, but i like to get yocto on A2000 once i have it |
| 16:25.32 | specing | hno: Im going to re-read the mmc boot page |
| 16:25.43 | xxiao | ubuntu might be indeed too heavy |
| 16:26.18 | rm | what's yocto |
| 16:26.22 | gnexus | xxiao: i need to know if my image works on a2000 |
| 16:26.25 | rm | debian armhf is perfect |
| 16:26.45 | gnexus | rm: that is what is going on in its place.. |
| 16:26.54 | xxiao | rm: a new branded openembedded |
| 16:27.11 | gnexus | rm: i couldn't get it to boot before, though |
| 16:27.24 | gnexus | or maybe it did boot? |
| 16:27.50 | gnexus | no video, no wlan, no serial, no see it anywhere... |
| 16:28.14 | gnexus | i need a serial console... |
| 16:29.32 | gnexus | mele_debian_armhf_minimal.cpio.gz from rhombus boots okay w/ hdmi? |
| 16:29.38 | rm | A10 with 512MB is powerful enough to not bother with *embedded crap |
| 16:30.20 | gnexus | debbootstrap armhf didn't have hdmi or wlan for me |
| 16:30.47 | gnexus | i'm trying to decide which one to try this time |
| 16:30.55 | specing | GentoO! |
| 16:31.04 | gnexus | mine or theirs? |
| 16:31.25 | gnexus | specing: does gentoo have armhf? |
| 16:31.40 | gnexus | :) |
| 16:32.01 | specing | gnexus: yes |
| 16:32.06 | hno | specing, push your changes to github, easier to discuss code. |
| 16:32.14 | specing | :S |
| 16:32.40 | mnemoc | he doesn't want to expose a mail address :| |
| 16:32.47 | gnexus | specing: it was a joke. but maybe there is a precompiled version? |
| 16:33.32 | gnexus | specing: or i could wait a few years for it to compile! |
| 16:33.49 | specing | gnexus: there is an armv7a-hf stage3 |
| 16:33.54 | hno | we really should get that fbconsole thing fixed.. |
| 16:34.11 | gnexus | specing: interesting... |
| 16:34.35 | hno | there is also a Fedora 17 armhf root image. |
| 16:34.38 | gnexus | hno: we REALLY should get fbcon fixed |
| 16:34.44 | specing | mnemoc: its not that I dont want to expose a mail address, it is that I have no way of guaranteeing that it will be available in the next year |
| 16:34.49 | gnexus | hno: that was my other idea |
| 16:35.05 | specing | While I can guarantee that I will be here on freenode for a very long time |
| 16:35.07 | gnexus | i use f17 on my pc |
| 16:35.09 | mnemoc | specing: ah, ok. I thought it was a privacy concern |
| 16:35.35 | gnexus | but f17 arm multimedia support is still not there |
| 16:36.16 | gnexus | what good is f17 w/o multimedia? |
| 16:36.23 | mnemoc | specing: there are many specing.* domains available ;-) |
| 16:36.34 | specing | heh |
| 16:37.33 | mnemoc | but I made the mistake of peeking a not-cv-friendly domain when I was your age and I can't drop it :-/ |
| 16:37.34 | gnexus | what would prevent hdmi from coming on? |
| 16:37.49 | gnexus | in the rootfs? |
| 16:38.02 | gnexus | maybe X not running? |
| 16:38.32 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: master * r1c601562672d /"allwinner_a10/orders/\321\201\321\203\321\201\320\260\320\275\320\270\320\275.mdwn": |
| 16:38.36 | gnexus | or are there a10 userspace drivers that are needed? |
| 16:39.06 | mnemoc | it's most probably related to enabling the hdmi output |
| 16:39.40 | gnexus | if the ubuntu works, but debian armhf doesn't then what? |
| 16:40.03 | mnemoc | same kernel? same modprobe order? same script.bin? |
| 16:40.26 | gnexus | mnemoc: yes. yes. yes. |
| 16:40.34 | mnemoc | odd |
| 16:40.58 | mnemoc | try playing with ioctl() calls |
| 16:41.09 | gnexus | maybe i don't have lightdm enabled? |
| 16:41.32 | mnemoc | so you don't know if X is running? |
| 16:42.10 | gnexus | i can't remember... |
| 16:42.21 | mnemoc | hno: I'll try to resume the fbcon work this weekend, but it's my wife's bd :< |
| 16:42.35 | mnemoc | s/bd/birth day/ |
| 16:42.43 | gnexus | i'm trying to decide whether to reinstall my debian image or use the rhombus one |
| 16:43.23 | gnexus | mine has everything installed and set up |
| 16:43.38 | gnexus | but i never could get video or ping it |
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| 16:46.56 | gnexus | i suppose i'll mount mine again and look at inits |
| 16:47.19 | gnexus | maybe it's something simple i overlooked... |
| 16:48.50 | gnexus | or maybe I could try squeeze? |
| 16:49.01 | gnexus | it has tde! |
| 16:50.22 | gnexus | we could have a vote! |
| 16:50.30 | gnexus | who wants what? |
| 16:53.03 | gnexus | lightdm init is not there. |
| 16:53.20 | gnexus | that could be aproblem! |
| 16:58.25 | gnexus | means i need to repartion the sd card first... |
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| 17:01.36 | specing | hno: still nothing |
| 17:01.42 | zenitraM | mnemoc: i've just found deleted recordings of ¡australian! tv from 2004 on the ooferton sd cards |
| 17:01.57 | specing | hno: the u-boot serial port markings go from 1 for S0 onwards, right? |
| 17:02.12 | DonkeyHotei | zenitraM: lol |
| 17:02.19 | specing | lmao |
| 17:02.29 | mnemoc | zenitraM: :o |
| 17:02.48 | mnemoc | zenitraM: mine haven't received mine yet |
| 17:03.32 | zenitraM | so i'm more intrigued of where the hell did they get the 13.000 SD cards they sold |
| 17:06.13 | hno | specing, what? |
| 17:07.04 | specing | hno: I have successfully redirected android's stock kernel's console to ttyS5 though |
| 17:11.18 | gnexus | sfdisk -d /dev/loop0 | sfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 17:11.35 | gnexus | the device manager loved that one! |
| 17:15.25 | gnexus | whoops! Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk! |
| 17:17.44 | gnexus | the data is still there! that makes life easier! |
| 17:22.36 | gnexus | all drivers in france need a breathalyzer now... |
| 17:23.14 | specing | hno: What could go wrong in the uboot? |
| 17:23.27 | specing | hno: Is it possible that it does not get loaded? |
| 17:23.42 | specing | I copied those dd commands verbatim |
| 17:24.30 | gnexus | did you sync? |
| 17:27.20 | specing | yes |
| 17:27.36 | specing | unless there is some other sync method than running the sync program |
| 17:27.51 | hno | specing, there isn't very much tgat can go wrong. |
| 17:29.12 | hno | but i still do not know what goes wrong if -i upgrade to later u-boot version... but SPL stops working then. |
| 17:29.35 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.36 | specing | /dev/mmcblk0p1 8192 67583 29696 83 Linux |
| 17:29.37 | specing | /dev/mmcblk0p2 69632 15693823 7812096 83 Linux |
| 17:30.01 | gnexus | hno: does spl need update w/ new uboot version? |
| 17:30.35 | mnemoc | hno: jtag? |
| 17:31.03 | mnemoc | gnexus: thats cheating |
| 17:31.35 | gnexus | mnemoc: ? |
| 17:32.00 | gnexus | mnemoc: sfdisk? |
| 17:32.27 | gnexus | yes. that is cheating! |
| 17:33.03 | gnexus | im lazy... |
| 17:33.10 | specing | hno: I have a predisposition for things to go wrong |
| 17:34.37 | hno | gnexus, there is changes in general ARM setup code in later u-boot versions which makes A10 SPL very unhappy. |
| 17:35.19 | hno | SPL is actually a stripped down u-boot with small additions to initialize dram etc. |
| 17:36.06 | hno | mnemoc, i know.. |
| 17:36.55 | mnemoc | gnexus: using old spl and new u-boot is cheating |
| 17:37.00 | gnexus | hno: wonderful :( |
| 17:37.48 | gnexus | mnemoc: if it works why not? |
| 17:38.36 | mnemoc | gnexus: the principle of built-from-sources |
| 17:39.15 | gnexus | its just older sources ;) |
| 17:39.22 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:39.38 | gnexus | as i said - i'm lazy |
| 17:40.00 | mnemoc | the buzzword is "pragmatic" |
| 17:40.24 | mnemoc | sounds better on CVs than lazy :p |
| 17:40.39 | gnexus | whether its fdisk or spl, or coding |
| 17:41.48 | gnexus | if they want to pay, i will happily do new spl! :) |
| 17:42.14 | gnexus | or use fdisk... |
| 17:42.46 | hno | do fdisk work as an spl? |
| 17:43.35 | gnexus | hno: no, i was comparing cheating by using sfdisk vs using fdisk manually |
| 17:45.37 | gnexus | old mr shuttleworth is back on mmc now |
| 17:45.58 | gnexus | i will have to let him help me fix debian inits |
| 17:46.25 | gnexus | maybe he will donate to our cause? |
| 17:47.18 | gnexus | he has ubuntu for android now |
| 17:47.26 | gnexus | http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android |
| 17:47.55 | gnexus | anybody seen it or the sources? |
| 17:47.57 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: George master * r9cac49994b2f /allwinner_a10/orders/SDR__95__core.mdwn: |
| 17:48.42 | mnemoc | they have a sort of showcase/test room in london iirc |
| 17:50.41 | gnexus | but what about the code? |
| 17:51.25 | gnexus | i was think that what is needed is an xserver that could run in android as a window |
| 17:51.49 | gnexus | native, not vnc |
| 17:54.20 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: George master * r5a1bd09d81e4 /allwinner_a10/orders/SDR__95__core.mdwn: |
| 17:56.12 | specing | gnexus: the other way around |
| 17:57.30 | gnexus | specing: of course that is the desirable way to do it! |
| 17:57.54 | gnexus | so it will never happen with google running the show :( |
| 17:58.54 | gnexus | the other reason why i am here... |
| 18:00.55 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: George master * r9a138a87e8d1 /allwinner_a10/orders/SDR__95__core.mdwn: |
| 18:11.10 | specing | hno: Is it possible that Im using those new sources? |
| 18:12.20 | specing | hno: Could it be that it does not support SDHC cards? |
| 18:14.19 | hno | specing, it will boot from NAND if the card is not supported. |
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| 18:15.25 | hno | it's not likely that you use new sources. |
| 18:16.57 | specing | :/ |
| 18:16.58 | hno | specing, grep PLAIN include/version_autogenerated.h |
| 18:17.20 | hno | should say 2011.09 |
| 18:17.26 | specing | #define PLAIN_VERSION "2011.09-00004-g683cef1-dirty" |
| 18:17.53 | hno | correct. |
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| 18:20.21 | specing | hno: http://pastebin.com/zY4xe8m8 |
| 18:23.11 | specing | hno: Anything wrong? |
| 18:28.50 | specing | This is weird |
| 18:29.19 | specing | If I dd the .bin to the sdcard and then dd it back (using bs=1 and count obtained from stat), the sha1sums do not match |
| 18:31.35 | specing | hno: is this normal? |
| 18:32.03 | mnemoc | specing: may it be something with the geometry of your card? |
| 18:32.32 | specing | dunno |
| 18:32.36 | specing | Its weird |
| 18:32.39 | specing | It should match |
| 18:34.22 | specing | Can somebody reproduce this? |
| 18:37.10 | specing | Ah, the seek value wasn't modifed |
| 18:37.19 | mnemoc | doh |
| 18:38.39 | specing | Also dd overshots the count value |
| 18:38.42 | specing | wtf? |
| 18:39.00 | mnemoc | dd doesn't think or it's own |
| 18:43.44 | gnexus | the ubuntu rootfs is there now: 100% 557MB 46.5KB/s 3:24:17 |
| 18:43.58 | gnexus | not that anybody cares... |
| 18:44.06 | gnexus | i know i dont |
| 18:45.53 | gnexus | hno: will a10 boot from usb hdd if recovery button is pressed? |
| 18:46.31 | specing | gnexus: 46 KB/s? Wtf |
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| 18:47.11 | gnexus | specing: i think jeff is using a v92 modem to host his site ;) |
| 18:47.21 | gnexus | ask him |
| 18:47.28 | specing | who is jeff? |
| 18:47.42 | gnexus | i certainly hope its not my connection! |
| 18:48.27 | gnexus | doozan: forum.doozan.com, he is the one who is hosting my forum |
| 18:49.01 | mnemoc | with that speed you should look for new hosting |
| 18:49.14 | gnexus | actually right now its a wiki more than a forum... |
| 18:49.31 | gnexus | mnemoc: its not mine... |
| 18:49.48 | mnemoc | "he is the one who is hosting my forum" |
| 18:49.59 | gnexus | i thought he had a good connection. |
| 18:51.17 | gnexus | he is using linode |
| 18:51.51 | gnexus | he's probably throttling the forum due to the size of the files |
| 18:52.07 | specing | My class 10 SDHC read speed: 13.8 MB/s :) |
| 18:52.14 | gnexus | i dunno |
| 18:52.24 | gnexus | specing: not bad! |
| 18:52.43 | RaYmAn | write speed is where the real action is :) |
| 18:52.57 | gnexus | i need to check mine. dd write was crap. |
| 18:53.02 | RaYmAn | has a class 2 sdhc card that does 20+MB/s read and uhm, 2-3MB/s writes |
| 18:53.32 | gnexus | which is probably what mine does... |
| 18:54.08 | specing | mnemoc: What should happen upon pushing the button marked "U-boot" on my tablet? |
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| 18:54.43 | gnexus | actually the u/lproblem could also be he.net |
| 18:55.05 | gnexus | all i know is that it sucks |
| 18:55.25 | specing | What is the meaning of "uart_debug_port = 0"? |
| 18:55.47 | specing | the serial page tells me to set that to 0, why? |
| 18:56.11 | gnexus | speedtest.net uses flash? |
| 18:57.31 | mnemoc | specing: if you do it during power up it will start on FEL mode |
| 18:58.35 | gnexus | Upload: 306 (Kbps) |
| 18:58.45 | gnexus | not me... |
| 18:59.04 | mnemoc | Kbps != KB/s |
| 19:00.09 | mnemoc | 46.5KB/s = 372Kbps |
| 19:00.16 | gnexus | mnemoc: oh hell! kbps! |
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| 19:00.30 | gnexus | i didnt notice that! |
| 19:00.39 | gnexus | :( |
| 19:00.43 | specing | It boots stock android as soon as I unplug the SD card.... |
| 19:00.50 | gnexus | it must be he.net |
| 19:03.07 | mnemoc | or your bittorrent client |
| 19:03.20 | specing | http://opensourcemid.org/ |
| 19:03.35 | specing | $300 cortex-a8 tablet? F-U |
| 19:04.01 | gnexus | Speed Up 545.04 Kbps ( 0.5 Mbps ) |
| 19:04.56 | gnexus | that is why i did not try hosting the files... |
| 19:05.24 | gnexus | so he.net loses 200kbps for me... |
| 19:07.16 | gnexus | i knew my isp really caps u/l speeds |
| 19:09.26 | DonkeyHotei | ok, i'm about to order a mele from the cubie shop |
| 19:09.43 | gnexus | i also still to upload chroot script... |
| 19:09.56 | DonkeyHotei | it STILL says the A1000 has half the nand of the A2000 |
| 19:10.15 | DonkeyHotei | i'd like to confirm that that's a mistake |
| 19:10.25 | specing | DonkeyHotei: I dont think he even has a1000 in stock |
| 19:10.43 | gnexus | DonkeyHotei: justifies the $5 lower price on the a1000 |
| 19:11.13 | gnexus | or higher price for the a2000 ;) |
| 19:11.32 | mnemoc | mele itself sells it more expensive and that cascades |
| 19:11.36 | gnexus | a1000 has an ugly case |
| 19:12.05 | gnexus | it should be $25 cheaper due to the ugly case! |
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| 19:12.34 | mnemoc | you can see the price relations in their taobao shop |
| 19:13.08 | specing | mnemoc: do you have a mele? |
| 19:13.12 | mnemoc | 2 |
| 19:13.17 | specing | :O |
| 19:13.18 | gnexus | i forgot about taobao, havent heard that word in a while! |
| 19:13.26 | specing | mnemoc: Do you have a working uboot? |
| 19:13.31 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.05 | mnemoc | specing: http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/ |
| 19:14.08 | specing | uart_debug_port = 1 and still nothing |
| 19:14.30 | mnemoc | uboot doesn't care about script.bin's content |
| 19:15.50 | DonkeyHotei | gnexus: i was gonna choose the a1000 over the a2000 just for the case; they're both listed |
| 19:16.01 | specing | mnemoc: What does the line do, actually? |
| 19:16.12 | specing | unknown? |
| 19:16.20 | DonkeyHotei | granted, i haven't really seen either case in good-enough pics |
| 19:16.28 | mnemoc | specing: can't tell without grepping code |
| 19:17.28 | mnemoc | specing: maybe used when composing boot1 |
| 19:17.44 | DonkeyHotei | but from what i understand, the a1000 comes with a cover that allows the use of a self-supplied bare sata drive, while the a2000 requires a goflex-type enclosure on a drive |
| 19:18.16 | DonkeyHotei | gnexus: am i wrong? |
| 19:18.21 | gnexus | DonkeyHotei: you like that case? it is angled on the top. |
| 19:18.30 | DonkeyHotei | angled how? |
| 19:19.51 | gnexus | it slopes from front to back a bit |
| 19:20.02 | gnexus | i dont like that |
| 19:20.13 | DonkeyHotei | slopes upward? |
| 19:20.46 | gnexus | the front panel is taller than the back |
| 19:20.54 | gnexus | not by much |
| 19:21.14 | gnexus | i have not seen one in person, though |
| 19:21.39 | gnexus | minor issue but i think the a2000 looks better |
| 19:22.44 | gnexus | 3 yr warranty? |
| 19:23.04 | gnexus | is that mele or this seller? |
| 19:24.14 | gnexus | this site has good pics |
| 19:24.27 | gnexus | http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-upgraded-google-Android-4-0-Mele-A2000-TV-Box-living-room-mini-PC-HD/318004_577336805.html |
| 19:25.05 | gnexus | android 4 is on them now? |
| 19:25.20 | DonkeyHotei | the front is taller? seriously? i mean, the back being taller i'd like, but the front? |
| 19:25.25 | mnemoc | you have to upgrade them yourself |
| 19:27.02 | gnexus | thats what i thought... |
| 19:27.28 | DonkeyHotei | my primary concern, nand size being equal, is the sata case issue |
| 19:27.47 | gnexus | can the mele apks be installed on other android? |
| 19:27.54 | mnemoc | the case in a1000 is just a cover, doesn't affect the sata connector |
| 19:28.23 | gnexus | certainly that the case... |
| 19:28.50 | mnemoc | the 2.5 disk case I mean |
| 19:29.09 | DonkeyHotei | i thought the a1000 has a case for a bare drive and the a2000 requires a goflex case |
| 19:29.34 | gnexus | just use a bare drive |
| 19:29.37 | mnemoc | in both you can just plug a naked disk |
| 19:30.13 | gnexus | i have 2 goflex nets and have never had a goflex hdd enclosure |
| 19:30.37 | DonkeyHotei | i was told a naked disk would not be physically stable |
| 19:30.38 | gnexus | now i use external 3.5" drives! |
| 19:30.59 | gnexus | DonkeyHotei: does that really matter? |
| 19:31.19 | gnexus | are you going to be carting it around with you? |
| 19:31.27 | hno | both come with HDD case + remote last time I looked. |
| 19:31.48 | gnexus | i will use external 3.5" |
| 19:31.49 | DonkeyHotei | and that the case that comes with the a1000 fixes the bare drive stability issue |
| 19:31.49 | mnemoc | a2000 doesn't include the hdd case |
| 19:32.24 | gnexus | i have a BIG hammer to fit it in the slot! |
| 19:32.50 | DonkeyHotei | i don't expect to cart it around much but i do expect it to sit where it could be easily knocked over |
| 19:33.10 | gnexus | glue the hdd in :) |
| 19:33.11 | hno | yes it's not the most stable design. |
| 19:33.29 | gnexus | hot melt glue does wonders... |
| 19:33.37 | hno | will rebuild mine with internal HDD when done as dev board. |
| 19:35.08 | gnexus | chroot script: i almost forgot... |
| 19:35.21 | DonkeyHotei | hno: i was hoping the a1000 would be more stable |
| 19:35.51 | hno | gnexus, A10 can not boot from USB. It can recover from USB with help of a PC. |
| 19:36.13 | gnexus | hno: we will see... |
| 19:36.43 | hno | DonkeyHotei, I honestly have no idea how stable/unstable the A1000 HDD case is, have never used it. |
| 19:36.45 | gnexus | if i wipe the flash i will not care... |
| 19:37.08 | DonkeyHotei | hno: and the a2000? |
| 19:37.19 | hno | DonkeyHotei, only have an a1000. mnemoc have both. |
| 19:37.29 | gnexus | chroot script is also in the ubuntu image |
| 19:37.58 | hno | gnexus, it's safe to wipe the flash on A10 devices. |
| 19:38.40 | gnexus | hno: i know. that is why i said what i did |
| 19:39.28 | hno | In the end I will have the NAND as /boot and a 320GB HDD for everything else I think. |
| 19:39.44 | gnexus | hno: if there is no mmc, and the flash is empty, and there is a USB disk connected with sd uboot, then will it boot? |
| 19:39.54 | hno | gnexus, no. |
| 19:40.12 | gnexus | hno: why not? |
| 19:40.13 | hno | it can not boot from USB disks. Only from a PC running the right program. |
| 19:40.27 | DonkeyHotei | or from mmc |
| 19:40.27 | gnexus | have you even tried? |
| 19:40.41 | gnexus | i bet not... |
| 19:40.54 | hno | I am reading the boot code. |
| 19:40.58 | DonkeyHotei | no need to try; the a10 boot sequence is pretty well-known |
| 19:41.00 | hno | and writing a replacement PC program. |
| 19:41.47 | gnexus | i know the sequence, and it said that it would try to boot from usb as last resort |
| 19:42.06 | hno | Boot sequence is MMC0, NAND, MMC2, SPI, USB FEL recovery. |
| 19:42.27 | gnexus | hno: FEL? |
| 19:42.41 | steev | Turl: have you run checkpatch against that patch? |
| 19:42.54 | steev | (scripts/checkpatch.pl ) |
| 19:43.21 | steev | i'm just asking, i haven't so i have no idea |
| 19:44.08 | gnexus | what is meant by "FEL recovery" |
| 19:44.54 | DonkeyHotei | wait, spi? |
| 19:45.02 | DonkeyHotei | it can boot from spi? |
| 19:46.13 | RaYmAn | gnexus: bootrom-based "program" that lets you upload binary code over usb and run it (and possibly flash stuff two? or maybe the uploaded code does the flashing) |
| 19:46.40 | Turl | steev: which patch? |
| 19:46.47 | steev | Turl: ramconsole |
| 19:46.53 | Turl | steev: but no, I never run checkpatch :P |
| 19:47.04 | steev | please2start :) |
| 19:47.19 | steev | ignore lines over 80 warns |
| 19:47.31 | gnexus | RaYmAn: thank you! |
| 19:48.12 | hno | gnexus, yes FEL. It's what Allwinner calls that boot mode. |
| 19:48.40 | gnexus | hno: thanks |
| 19:48.48 | hno | DonkeyHotei, yes it can boot from SPI. |
| 19:49.07 | gnexus | can it boot from sata? |
| 19:49.14 | hno | gnexus, no. |
| 19:49.14 | DonkeyHotei | as in, bitbanging? |
| 19:49.36 | gnexus | hno: but we can fix uboot so it will! |
| 19:50.10 | gnexus | hno: does the stock uboot initalize sata? |
| 19:50.10 | Turl | steev: ran it, only got a >80 line and ERROR: Missing Signed-off-by: line(s) |
| 19:50.14 | RaYmAn | hno: wrt documenting the bootrom.. just disassembled with objdump, then identify register accesses etc and try and find out what stuff does what? (I'm interested in doing it for another SoC, but my experience in that low-level code isn't great ;)) |
| 19:50.36 | gnexus | it would have to i would think... |
| 19:50.50 | steev | Turl: okay, can ignore the signed-off-by line, though if we want stuff to eventually go upstream, then it needs a signed off by line (you get that via git commit -s) |
| 19:51.42 | hno | DonkeyHotei, The A10 have an SPI controller capable of both master and slave operation. Why should it bitbang? |
| 19:51.46 | Turl | steev: ok, I'll sign the next time I rebase |
| 19:52.17 | hno | gnexus, A10 uboot knows nothing about sata. |
| 19:52.42 | Turl | you can use linux to boot from sata |
| 19:53.00 | Turl | (as in linux as bootloader) |
| 19:53.40 | DonkeyHotei | hno: and what would be on the other end? |
| 19:53.41 | hno | it's possible to add SATA support if you really insist on it. The SATA controller is an AHCI controller. |
| 19:53.55 | gnexus | hno: you are wrong on that one.... |
| 19:54.15 | hno | DonkeyHotei, in SPI booting? An SPI memory device such as a flash, like the BIOS chip you have in your PC. |
| 19:54.52 | gnexus | hno: it should be easy to do for uboot actually |
| 19:55.03 | gnexus | we did it for goflex |
| 19:55.25 | gnexus | Uploading chroot_script.tar.bz2 to /download/chroot_script.tar.bz2 |
| 19:55.40 | DonkeyHotei | so, basically a cheaper alternative to nand |
| 19:55.46 | hno | gnexus, wrong on what? |
| 19:56.16 | gnexus | hno: that uboot knows nothing about sata |
| 19:56.36 | hno | gnexus, I did not say that. I said the A10 uboot knows nothing about sata. |
| 19:56.36 | gnexus | uboot has a sata (ide) subsystem |
| 19:57.00 | gnexus | hno: oh! |
| 19:57.18 | gnexus | hno: then wee need to fix that... |
| 19:57.39 | hno | gnexus, you are very welcome to. |
| 19:57.51 | gnexus | hno: should not be to do |
| 19:58.16 | gnexus | hno: i will be happy to once i have a serial console ;) |
| 20:02.37 | DonkeyHotei | i'm still looking for more info about mount a sata drive on a1000 vs. a2000 |
| 20:03.01 | hno | DonkeyHotei, what info? Both have a slot on top for placing a drive. |
| 20:03.18 | steev | Turl: cool, it's no big deal, since afaik, this is all against 3.(3?), which won't go mainline, i'm sure there are a bit more changes to get to 3.5 and i'm pretty sure mainline won't accept a new arch (sunxi) without DT support |
| 20:03.43 | Turl | DT? |
| 20:03.49 | steev | device tree |
| 20:03.54 | hno | there is no plans to submit sunXi without DT. |
| 20:04.59 | DonkeyHotei | hno: yes, but providing a bare drive is not stable, by all accounts |
| 20:05.33 | steev | hno: makes sense, we just need something like mach-sunxi/mach-sun{3,4,5}i_boardname.c and so forth, and drivers need to be moved to their proper places. |
| 20:05.45 | hno | ofcourse not. I would not expect it to be precisely stable even with the case. |
| 20:06.14 | hno | steev, yes. |
| 20:06.46 | gnexus | steev: linux-3.2 or higher needs at least u-boot-2011.12 |
| 20:07.16 | DonkeyHotei | hno: but the a1000 and a2000 equally so? |
| 20:07.24 | steev | gnexus: no it doesn't |
| 20:07.28 | mnemoc | steev: can a mach-sunxi/ work mixing arm9, cortex-a8 and cortex-a9 together? |
| 20:07.38 | hno | gnexus, why? Had no problem to boot 3.3 with 2011.09. |
| 20:07.51 | Turl | mnemoc: there's mach-omap2 |
| 20:07.52 | steev | boots 3.5 on 2012.04 |
| 20:07.58 | Turl | mnemoc: for omap2, 3, 4 afaik |
| 20:08.00 | steev | er, 2009.08 |
| 20:08.05 | gnexus | your kernel config is not mainline... |
| 20:08.08 | Turl | so at least cortex a8 & 9 |
| 20:08.29 | gnexus | mainline kernel needs at least u-boot-2011.12 |
| 20:08.40 | steev | no it doesn't |
| 20:08.44 | hno | gnexus, but why? |
| 20:08.56 | steev | the kernel has NO dependency on a bootloader |
| 20:08.59 | gnexus | hno: the kernel will hang |
| 20:09.05 | hno | what have changed in the boot protocol so drastically? |
| 20:09.15 | steev | what you mean to say is, if you use devicetree you need at least 2011.12 |
| 20:09.26 | gnexus | hno: it is just a bug... |
| 20:09.44 | gnexus | hno: uboot was blamed... |
| 20:09.53 | steev | gnexus: link |
| 20:09.55 | gnexus | so uboot was patched |
| 20:10.05 | mnemoc | gnexus: what has to do uboot-sunxi with mainline linux? |
| 20:10.27 | gnexus | it is earlier here on irc today |
| 20:10.28 | xxiao | i'm not using the newest u-boot, are you guys saying A10 is running a u-boot with device tree now? |
| 20:10.46 | gnexus | mnemoc: nothing, unfortunately... |
| 20:10.47 | hno | There is no device tree support for A10 yet. |
| 20:10.53 | xxiao | uses device tree extensively on powerpc |
| 20:10.54 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: you have both an a1000 and an a2000, right? can a sata drive stay stable in either in any way? |
| 20:11.08 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: no idea, I use esata |
| 20:11.16 | DonkeyHotei | it has esata? |
| 20:11.21 | gnexus | mnemoc: but we should try to get it there as we patch |
| 20:11.21 | hno | cabled |
| 20:11.41 | gnexus | mnemoc: and not patch the wrong thing |
| 20:12.22 | hno | gnexus, the A10 patches for main u-boot works fine with current uboot. We are on 2011.09 only because there is SPL ARM changes which do not work on A10 in 2011.11+. |
| 20:12.26 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: does it look like the a1000 drive cover snaps onto the a1000 in some way? |
| 20:12.45 | hno | DonkeyHotei, no. |
| 20:12.52 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: nope, doesn't. both dockings are identical |
| 20:13.08 | Turl | is the mele 2.5" or 3.5" sata btw? |
| 20:13.13 | mnemoc | 2.5 |
| 20:13.13 | gnexus | hno: i understand |
| 20:13.16 | Turl | mnemoc: nice |
| 20:13.17 | DonkeyHotei | so it just slides on and off? |
| 20:13.41 | gnexus | here is link i posted earlied about uboot bug: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/127951/focus=151172 |
| 20:13.42 | hno | Slides... you stick the drive standing on top of the unit.. |
| 20:13.58 | DonkeyHotei | does the cover screw onto the drive? |
| 20:14.12 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: no, it's only a sata connector |
| 20:14.17 | gnexus | you can just change the kernel config to avoid it |
| 20:14.21 | DonkeyHotei | the drive cover |
| 20:14.21 | mnemoc | and you stick your disk there |
| 20:14.25 | gnexus | no big deal... |
| 20:14.29 | xxiao | hno: is that esata or sata? |
| 20:14.45 | gnexus | much easier than fixing uboot... |
| 20:14.48 | mnemoc | xxiao: sata |
| 20:15.14 | DonkeyHotei | does the a1000 drive cover screw onto the drive? |
| 20:15.15 | mnemoc | xxiao: I said esata because I use an esata/sata cable from an external esata raid device |
| 20:15.27 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: again. NO |
| 20:15.31 | DonkeyHotei | hmm |
| 20:15.48 | mnemoc | it's just a dumb sleeve |
| 20:15.52 | mnemoc | to make it cuter |
| 20:16.06 | DonkeyHotei | heh |
| 20:16.06 | hno | gnexus, I am fairly sure my 3.3 had CONFIG_ARM_PATCH_PHYS_VIRT enabled. |
| 20:16.28 | xxiao | gnexus: are you Nicolas on that posting? |
| 20:16.33 | mnemoc | hno: i think you can't even disable that |
| 20:16.34 | DonkeyHotei | i'd expect the a2000 to be less cute then, with some random drive cover |
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| 20:16.59 | Turl | did anyone hear any news from hipboi on the A100s? |
| 20:17.10 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: they seem to expect you to buy their fancy mele-docking+usb thing |
| 20:17.20 | DonkeyHotei | Turl: his storefront says he had only 20 of them |
| 20:18.00 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: but what would be the point of a usb bridge for putting it on the sata connector? |
| 20:18.12 | hno | mnemoc, yes. |
| 20:18.13 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: to use the same disk as external on your laptop |
| 20:18.29 | hno | mnemoc, usb? |
| 20:18.32 | DonkeyHotei | wouldn't that defeat the purpose of sata? |
| 20:18.33 | Turl | http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Mele-A100-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device/511685_585177565.html |
| 20:18.55 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: sata on mele, usb on laptop. same disk, fancy case |
| 20:19.17 | DonkeyHotei | wait, the case allows sata access too, not just usb? |
| 20:19.40 | hno | Ah that one. Yes it's SATA + USB. |
| 20:19.51 | mnemoc | the fancy case comes with a sata to usb adapter you remove when connecting to the mele |
| 20:19.52 | xxiao | can estat be self-powered like usb these days? |
| 20:20.00 | xxiao | s/estat/esata/ |
| 20:20.11 | xxiao | ibot: thanks robot |
| 20:20.11 | ibot | de rien, xxiao |
| 20:20.20 | mnemoc | hahaha |
| 20:20.28 | mnemoc | xxiao: no, esata devices need external power |
| 20:20.30 | Turl | ibot <3 |
| 20:20.30 | ibot | I love you. <3 |
| 20:20.33 | DonkeyHotei | so the usb has to be removed to connect to the mele? that's a little lame |
| 20:20.55 | Turl | so A100 has no sata |
| 20:20.58 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: you can connect the disk over usb to the mele if you like too |
| 20:21.05 | DonkeyHotei | ugh |
| 20:21.06 | xxiao | http://gizmodo.com/345524/self+powered-esata-on-the-way-power-bricks-everywhere-shudder-in-fear |
| 20:21.11 | xxiao | that's four years ago |
| 20:21.19 | mnemoc | Turl: hipboi said "no docking but identical pcb" |
| 20:21.32 | mnemoc | xxiao: nice |
| 20:21.36 | Turl | mnemoc: does it have a connector inside? |
| 20:21.43 | Turl | I don't wanna solder one :P |
| 20:22.00 | rm | A10 is 1.5x to 2x faster than Loongson 2F at 800 MHz in "openssl speed" |
| 20:22.04 | DonkeyHotei | Turl: then just get the other model |
| 20:22.11 | Turl | mnemoc: what's the diff between mele 1k and 2k? |
| 20:22.19 | mnemoc | Turl: after hipboi comments I believe i has all the same connectors the rest of the family has |
| 20:22.29 | xxiao | mnemoc: diff 1k 2k > your-wiki |
| 20:22.47 | gnexus | xxiao: no |
| 20:22.47 | mnemoc | xxiao: wiki has pictures of both boards :) |
| 20:22.57 | hno | xxiao, different case, and no HDD sleve included in A2000. |
| 20:23.05 | DonkeyHotei | why does everyone have separate wikis? |
| 20:23.09 | mnemoc | xxiao: if you find the difference you win a +1 of karma |
| 20:23.09 | hno | same board, same remote, same power brick. |
| 20:23.38 | hno | same software. |
| 20:23.42 | specing | rm: news flash: loongson sucks |
| 20:23.51 | Turl | so they dropped the hdd sleeve *and* they charge more for it? o.O |
| 20:24.21 | xxiao | from my observation, real ARM needs pcie and gigabit ethernet |
| 20:24.33 | hno | Turl, it's cool, it has a newer slightly smaller case! Ofcourse we charge more for less. |
| 20:24.35 | DonkeyHotei | Turl: the a2000+f10 bundle is less than adding both the a1000 and f10 to the cart separately |
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| 20:24.49 | xxiao | i believe imx6 and TI highend arm have them, but not easy to get hold of now |
| 20:24.52 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: I don't consider RT's wiki the right place for miscellaneous A10/A13 info as they are about eoma68 which is SoC agnostic and might not ever got a A10 based card |
| 20:25.03 | mnemoc | get* |
| 20:25.08 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: a1k + debug < a2k + debug |
| 20:25.21 | mnemoc | Turl: a2k has nicer case :) |
| 20:25.33 | hno | xxiao, gbit ethernet and pcie is in all ARM SoCs targeting server market. There is several available today, and many more coming. |
| 20:25.44 | Turl | but no hdd cover :< |
| 20:25.44 | xxiao | mnemoc: correct, i hope allwinner will pay for hosting fee oneday |
| 20:25.53 | mnemoc | Turl: I already lost my cover |
| 20:25.54 | DonkeyHotei | Turl: a2k + debug + f10 < a1k + debug + f10 |
| 20:26.04 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: what's f10 though? |
| 20:26.11 | mnemoc | a fancy remote+keyboard |
| 20:26.15 | mnemoc | by mele |
| 20:26.18 | xxiao | Turl: arm9 stuff from allwinner? |
| 20:26.42 | hno | Thats F20/F23.. no idea what F10 was. |
| 20:26.59 | DonkeyHotei | android was just not designed for the simple remote the a1k/a2k come with |
| 20:27.02 | Turl | checks finances |
| 20:27.02 | xxiao | ic, allwinner has some chips before A10, which is irrelevant before A10 hits the street |
| 20:27.37 | hno | they still sell them. |
| 20:27.46 | Turl | :< too expensive with F10 |
| 20:27.50 | xxiao | hno: not really, imx6 from freescale, ti8168 series from TI, both have pcie and gigabit ethernet, and not for the server |
| 20:27.58 | mnemoc | a rpi can sell arm9s, why can't allwinner ;-) |
| 20:28.03 | mnemoc | s/a/if/ |
| 20:28.05 | xxiao | they are shooting for embedded space where expansion is a standard |
| 20:28.09 | DonkeyHotei | Turl: either way you also get the simple remote |
| 20:28.31 | mnemoc | Turl: there is a very nice 2.4GHz keyboard from lenovo |
| 20:28.37 | DonkeyHotei | and since it has usb, you can also use your own |
| 20:28.38 | Turl | A10 needs to support CEC |
| 20:28.44 | Turl | then I can use my TV remote and be done with it |
| 20:28.45 | Turl | :P |
| 20:28.52 | DonkeyHotei | cec? whazzat? |
| 20:29.04 | RaYmAn | HDMI-CEC |
| 20:29.25 | DonkeyHotei | is that like CIR? |
| 20:29.34 | hno | device control over HDMI. More structured than CIR. |
| 20:29.34 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: "Anynet+ by Samsung" |
| 20:29.35 | RaYmAn | basically makes hdmi devices communicate and can be used for vaguely standardized remote control-type commands |
| 20:29.56 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: sony and whoever else also have it under their own brands |
| 20:30.00 | DonkeyHotei | RaYmAn: but hdmi is over a cable |
| 20:30.06 | RaYmAn | DonkeyHotei: yes :P |
| 20:30.07 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: yeah |
| 20:30.15 | DonkeyHotei | wired remotes? |
| 20:30.15 | hno | DonkeyHotei, yes. It's not IR at all. |
| 20:30.19 | Turl | so your tv tells the a10 'yo dude, someone pressed power!1' |
| 20:30.28 | Turl | or so |
| 20:30.36 | RaYmAn | DonkeyHotei: it's more like, you can use tv remote to control e.g. a media player device |
| 20:30.47 | RaYmAn | (or other way around) |
| 20:30.55 | Turl | it's like your tv goes the extra mile and tells keypresses to the HDMI device |
| 20:30.58 | DonkeyHotei | i remember VCR's with wired remotes, 30 years ago |
| 20:31.05 | RaYmAn | it's not wired remotes |
| 20:31.06 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 20:31.22 | hno | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control#CEC |
| 20:32.26 | RaYmAn | Turl: I actually noticed Tegra3 seems to have a 4k register space exposed for CEC. Of course, completely undocumented and no code that uses it, but it's there :P |
| 20:32.37 | Turl | lol |
| 20:32.48 | Turl | qualcomm supports CEC |
| 20:32.59 | RaYmAn | It's progress from tegra2 at least |
| 20:33.02 | Turl | and I think omap too |
| 20:33.02 | DonkeyHotei | sounds to me that cec has no critical mass yet |
| 20:33.08 | xxiao | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10452378-1.html |
| 20:33.15 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: all new tvs ship with it |
| 20:33.17 | RaYmAn | DonkeyHotei: it does, just not for these kind of devices |
| 20:33.28 | xxiao | why is this esata-self-powered thing not everywhere yet? |
| 20:33.32 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: back on the day, HDMI had no critical mass |
| 20:33.34 | RaYmAn | DonkeyHotei: an example: I can control my PS3 blueray playback by using my tv remote. |
| 20:33.54 | RaYmAn | DonkeyHotei: and the tv remote only sends commands to the tv, and the tv then sends it on to PS3 |
| 20:33.55 | mnemoc | can CEC be implemeneted on top of the IRs A10 devices already have? |
| 20:34.06 | Turl | mnemoc: I'd say no |
| 20:34.11 | Turl | mnemoc: it's an over the wire thing |
| 20:34.18 | mnemoc | ok |
| 20:34.22 | Turl | over the HDMI wire |
| 20:34.22 | DonkeyHotei | new tv's now, maybe, but there are more existing hdmi tv's out there than new ones are being consimed |
| 20:34.24 | Turl | not using IR |
| 20:34.24 | RaYmAn | it requires access to part of the HDMI protocol |
| 20:34.34 | DonkeyHotei | s/consimed/consumed/ |
| 20:34.50 | mnemoc | Turl: I mistakenly thought it was about remotes |
| 20:34.55 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: it'll eventually be everywhere, don't worry :P |
| 20:34.57 | RaYmAn | DonkeyHotei: my 32" ~5 year old sony tv has it |
| 20:34.58 | Turl | mnemoc: it is |
| 20:35.17 | Turl | remote)))))))))tv==hdmi===CEC-capable device |
| 20:35.18 | RaYmAn | It's remote-over-HDMI |
| 20:35.20 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 20:35.25 | gnexus | when was A13 released on devices? |
| 20:35.26 | mnemoc | doh |
| 20:35.32 | Turl | hope you enjoy my ascii art |
| 20:35.43 | mnemoc | gnexus: january or so |
| 20:35.44 | RaYmAn | it would also be possible to have e.g. an RPI let you send remote commands over network, which it then sends to TV |
| 20:35.53 | gnexus | mnemoc: thx |
| 20:36.42 | Turl | mnemoc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBs7KaTK5Hk |
| 20:37.29 | Turl | mnemoc: there's a device though |
| 20:37.33 | DonkeyHotei | now again, is removing the usb from mele's enclosure _required_ for using the mele's sata connector? |
| 20:37.34 | RaYmAn | CEC would be awesome on mele I think - or pretty much any media-player device |
| 20:37.38 | Turl | with an HDMI in, an HDMI out |
| 20:37.40 | Turl | and a USB cable |
| 20:37.46 | Turl | that you can use as man in the middle |
| 20:37.52 | Turl | and reports to the device as USB HID |
| 20:38.05 | mnemoc | nice |
| 20:38.20 | DonkeyHotei | Turl: yes, the uhost, also in hipboi's shop |
| 20:38.31 | Turl | kinda pricy though http://www.pulse-eight.com/store/products/104-usb-hdmi-cec-adapter.aspx |
| 20:38.45 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: isn't uhost a mk802 like device? |
| 20:39.05 | DonkeyHotei | it's an a10, so it will do whatever |
| 20:39.25 | Turl | yeah but A10 doesn't do CEC :) |
| 20:39.48 | Turl | or at least not apparently |
| 20:39.53 | RaYmAn | Turl: you never know :P |
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| 20:40.03 | xxiao | i think CEC you need pay extra for license/loyalty |
| 20:40.11 | xxiao | HDMI is not free |
| 20:40.41 | mnemoc | since when chinese manufacturers care? |
| 20:40.54 | DonkeyHotei | hdmi-cec costs more than just hdmi? |
| 20:41.03 | specing | hno: what is boot.scr, exactly? |
| 20:41.28 | mnemoc | a precompiled u-boot env |
| 20:41.31 | specing | hno: Have you checked http://pastebin.com/zY4xe8m8? |
| 20:41.48 | hno | specing, https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/wiki |
| 20:42.01 | hno | mnemoc, no it's not an env. It's a script. |
| 20:42.26 | specing | hno: ^ http://pastebin.com/zY4xe8m8 |
| 20:42.31 | rm | "is removing the usb from mele's enclosure _required_ for using the mele's sata connector?" <- What? |
| 20:42.36 | mnemoc | hno: so it works upon the normal env? |
| 20:42.38 | hno | commands as you would type them on the uboot command line |
| 20:42.42 | hno | mnemoc, yes |
| 20:42.47 | mnemoc | cool |
| 20:43.07 | mnemoc | always wondered how to persitently edit the env without a serial console |
| 20:43.38 | hno | mnemoc, there is a command to edit uboot env. But it needs a little glue telling it where the env is stored. |
| 20:43.45 | xxiao | mnemoc: most of them don't care, but if you want to do IPO someday and may get sued once you are 'rich', you got to be careful |
| 20:44.08 | xxiao | mnemoc: you install fw_setenv into rootfs |
| 20:44.23 | DonkeyHotei | rm: mnemoc said the enclosure is both usb and sata, but the usb part is removable, for use with the mele |
| 20:44.50 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: not the one that comes in a1k |
| 20:44.57 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: the one sold separatedly |
| 20:45.04 | DonkeyHotei | yes, that one |
| 20:45.26 | mnemoc | the one with "are you f* kidding me" price |
| 20:45.28 | DonkeyHotei | no access to sata on it without removing usb? |
| 20:45.52 | DonkeyHotei | hmm, i haven't looked at the price; will look now |
| 20:45.59 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: the sata gets covered by the removable sata/usb adapter |
| 20:46.10 | hno | specing, looks reasonable to me. The CONFIG_SYS_NS16550_COM5+ defines don't do anything unless you also change drivers/serial/serial.c but that's irrelevant to why the first do not work. |
| 20:46.45 | xxiao | wonders if it's faster to ask someone buy in china and ship A2000 |
| 20:46.57 | DonkeyHotei | the price is lower than any enclosure i've ever seen |
| 20:47.10 | Turl | xxiao: well hipboi is there and he can skip the buy part :P |
| 20:47.35 | xxiao | Turl: i will be flying to zhuhai in Sep the latest |
| 20:47.42 | specing | really? |
| 20:47.44 | hno | Turl, no he can't skip the buy part. He buys in bulk. |
| 20:47.48 | xxiao | specing: 90% sure |
| 20:47.54 | specing | what for? |
| 20:48.09 | Turl | hno: I meant, he probably has stock for pretty much immediate shipping |
| 20:48.10 | xxiao | specing: trying to find 'partners' |
| 20:48.23 | specing | xxiao: do you speak chinese? |
| 20:48.34 | xxiao | specing: i do |
| 20:48.36 | specing | :O |
| 20:48.48 | Turl | xxiao: can you read chinese? |
| 20:49.00 | xxiao | Turl: yes |
| 20:49.12 | Turl | xxiao: you can collaborate translating the code comments then :) |
| 20:49.21 | tallnerd1985 | xxiao: I need you to purchase me a bj2500 conversion kit and shit to me here in the states |
| 20:49.22 | xxiao | where are they |
| 20:49.31 | tallnerd1985 | *ship* |
| 20:49.35 | mnemoc | xxiao: the delay when buying from Tom is that he post packages only on weekends |
| 20:49.36 | Turl | xxiao: all over the code |
| 20:49.41 | xxiao | tallnerd1985: i'm in the states myself, for the last #%#$%#$ years |
| 20:49.49 | tallnerd1985 | :( |
| 20:50.18 | hno | has managed to avoid moving to the states. |
| 20:50.50 | xxiao | i'm going to land in zhuhai, storm into the warehouses, loaded A2000s to a container, and start to sail east |
| 20:51.07 | tallnerd1985 | It's a bitch to get car parts from China, damn customs |
| 20:51.20 | hno | Turl, google translate is usually good enough to understand the code comments. |
| 20:51.26 | mnemoc | xxiao: in which case you'll need proper FCC certification ;-) |
| 20:51.36 | Turl | hno: yeah |
| 20:51.49 | xxiao | mnemoc: no worry, we have mexico comrades that can transport everything to usa |
| 20:51.55 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:53.28 | hno | mnemoc, wonder how many other magic constants is hiding in the non-existing A10 documentation. Seen the watchdog? |
| 20:53.39 | RaYmAn | hm, is there any public work on the replacement binary for fel mode? :) (as in, the binary that gets uploaded & executed?) |
| 20:53.50 | mnemoc | hno: yes, but haven't tried it |
| 20:54.06 | specing | To hell with FCC and RoHS and all these damn certification that prevent us from having nice gadgets! |
| 20:54.11 | Turl | RaYmAn: didn't you write a arm side for nvflash? |
| 20:54.45 | RaYmAn | Turl: no - I honestly never got that far. It wasn't strictly required anyways, so it just slipped away :P |
| 20:54.52 | xxiao | Turl: i have not really check into the code, assuming you mean the kernel code, are they at github now |
| 20:55.01 | Turl | xxiao: yes |
| 20:55.09 | xxiao | Turl: i saw quite some links here and there, but where is _the_ one |
| 20:55.30 | RaYmAn | Turl: I admit, we did kind of say we had to and never debunked it ;) |
| 20:55.36 | Turl | xxiao: amery/linux-allwinner |
| 20:55.48 | xxiao | need a github that contains everything, kernel, u-boot, even android manifest and patches |
| 20:56.00 | hno | mnemoc, thankfully Tom managed to dig out the information from somewhere. "Sigh, there is a magic number in 0x90.. Bit[12:1] write 0xA57 to enable wtd reload" |
| 20:56.50 | mnemoc | hno: and works?? |
| 20:56.52 | Turl | weird constant btw :P |
| 20:56.53 | hno | yes |
| 20:57.02 | mnemoc | Turl: ok ok, I'll merge your ram console thing |
| 20:57.12 | Turl | mnemoc: I just updated the patch :P |
| 20:57.18 | Turl | refresh the issue page |
| 20:57.24 | mnemoc | Turl: and dinged my phone :) |
| 20:57.36 | Turl | :) |
| 20:57.45 | hno | dinged? |
| 20:57.50 | Turl | mnemoc: I signed it off as requested by steev |
| 20:57.54 | Turl | hno: "ding!" |
| 20:57.59 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:58.04 | xxiao | Turl: who is amery, is it here |
| 20:58.08 | mnemoc | nope |
| 20:58.13 | xxiao | is he/she here |
| 20:58.15 | DonkeyHotei | amery = mnemoc |
| 20:58.15 | Turl | xxiao: amery == mnemoc :P |
| 20:58.25 | steev | mnemoc: hey are you amery? :P |
| 20:58.51 | xxiao | ibot: if(mnemoc==amery) echo "match" |
| 20:59.03 | DonkeyHotei | ... |
| 20:59.31 | xxiao | ibot < 2 |
| 20:59.34 | specing | hno: I have hexdump -C'ed the SD card and everything seems to be in place... |
| 20:59.42 | specing | WHY IS THIS NOT WORKING!?!??!? |
| 20:59.45 | specing | rumbles |
| 20:59.53 | hno | specing, no idea. |
| 20:59.56 | specing | :/ |
| 21:00.11 | hno | Regarding CEC. The MELE have the CEC pin wired somewhere. |
| 21:00.19 | specing | hno: Current symptoms: |
| 21:00.43 | specing | Sometimes after taking the mmc card out, it boots stock android from nand |
| 21:00.54 | specing | s/Sometimes/Sometime/ |
| 21:01.21 | mnemoc | steev: :) |
| 21:01.43 | mnemoc | I hate web designers! |
| 21:01.45 | specing | hno: Im on the sun4i branch |
| 21:01.50 | steev | mnemoc: me too |
| 21:01.53 | xxiao | there is a hijack happened in china yesterday, 6 bad eggs tried to take over a plan, unfortunately there are 20 cops with casual dressing on the flight |
| 21:01.54 | hno | specing, that's where you should be. |
| 21:02.25 | hno | Maybe it needs clock configuration as well. |
| 21:02.42 | DonkeyHotei | xxiao: "unfortunately" ? |
| 21:03.01 | xxiao | s/unfortunately/luckily/ |
| 21:03.09 | hno | but I would not expect UART5 to run from a different clock than UART0. |
| 21:03.10 | Turl | ... and there it is again, a10 booting on its own |
| 21:03.42 | hno | Turl, the RTC alarm can wakeup the A10. |
| 21:03.45 | xxiao | Turl: try to kill watchdog |
| 21:04.21 | hno | the watchdog is way to shortsighted to be involved. It maxes at ~20 seconds. |
| 21:04.23 | specing | hno: Clock config? Tell me more |
| 21:04.33 | hno | clock.c |
| 21:04.50 | Turl | hno: any idea where's the rtc code? |
| 21:05.07 | Turl | it should be cleared when going down I suppose |
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| 21:06.02 | hno | Turl, drivers/rtc/rtc-sun* |
| 21:06.28 | hno | s/*/Xi.c/ |
| 21:06.38 | specing | hno: What should I do with it? watchdog seems to work fine |
| 21:06.40 | xxiao | why is this channel netbook? |
| 21:06.46 | xxiao | pretty yesterday |
| 21:06.52 | Turl | hno: I'll have a look then, thx |
| 21:07.08 | mnemoc | xxiao: it was created around an arm-netbook project 4y ago |
| 21:07.16 | hno | specing, what do you mean? |
| 21:07.17 | mnemoc | xxiao: then... envolved |
| 21:07.25 | mnemoc | s/env/ev/ |
| 21:07.39 | xxiao | as far as i know, imx515 has a real netbook, from genesis? |
| 21:08.00 | mnemoc | xxiao: blame steev |
| 21:08.01 | xxiao | that's before ipad jumps out and erased all netbook* |
| 21:08.41 | steev | genesi |
| 21:08.43 | steev | not genesi |
| 21:08.46 | steev | not genesis* |
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| 21:09.16 | xxiao | yeah the Efika |
| 21:09.17 | steev | ipad didn't erased all netbook |
| 21:09.43 | steev | ipad and all other tablets are still toys with android and iOS. you can be productive on a netbook |
| 21:10.27 | mnemoc | productive? Isn't that word forbidden in USA? |
| 21:10.30 | DonkeyHotei | with a10, you could be productive like that on a tablet |
| 21:10.34 | xxiao | steev: right, i have 2 atom-netbooks and is in active use |
| 21:10.41 | hno | MS is more guilty on why netbooks as form factor have not taken off. |
| 21:10.53 | xxiao | steev: any plan to do imx6 netbooks? |
| 21:10.55 | specing | well Im going to trash the vfat partition and create an exactly the same on as in the guide |
| 21:11.12 | mnemoc | zero the first 1M |
| 21:11.20 | steev | xxiao: yes we do, but, i do try to avoid talking about it very much in here |
| 21:11.59 | hno | specing, I think yours is booting. And even the SPL alone outputs on the UART no matter what shape the rest of the card is in. |
| 21:12.13 | hno | have no idea why it's silent. |
| 21:13.17 | xxiao | steev: ok, thanks |
| 21:13.21 | hno | Or.. I do suspect clock config.. comments in timer.c say explicitly "open the clock for uart0" |
| 21:13.47 | hno | wonder what kernel code does with clocks. |
| 21:14.41 | hno | Yes, kernel code also configures clocks for each UART port opened. |
| 21:15.50 | hno | specing, there you have it. Dig into the kernel clock code to identify which clock source and gate drives UART5. |
| 21:16.13 | hno | apb_uart5 name in some table. |
| 21:16.55 | hno | Right, all is apb1 clock source. But different gates. |
| 21:22.35 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.35 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.44 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.48 | gnexus | why would it be that 8192cu.ko only works as wlan1 and not wlan0? |
| 21:22.51 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.27 | specing | Oh god |
| 21:23.38 | specing | What am I digging myself into |
| 21:24.01 | hno | specing, what? It's just one digit more to change and UART5 should work. |
| 21:24.06 | gnexus | i have to have a fake mac in udev rules |
| 21:24.15 | specing | hno: Kernel or u-boot? |
| 21:24.23 | hno | specing, u-boot. See above. |
| 21:24.23 | gnexus | then reload module |
| 21:24.38 | specing | ah |
| 21:26.12 | hno | then next step is parameterising the UART # selection and merging into sun4i. |
| 21:26.20 | specing | hno: I'll try |
| 21:27.01 | gnexus | mnemoc: kernel bugs in loading rtl8192? |
| 21:28.21 | hno | Ah, now I remember why I had the SD card in my card reader... watchdog. |
| 21:30.00 | specing | hno: Wow, that was it |
| 21:30.02 | specing | Thanks |
| 21:30.57 | mnemoc | gnexus: use drivers/net/wireless/rtl8192cu instead of rtlwifi's |
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| 21:31.47 | Turl | or if you want rtlwifi, use something like https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/37e7973d7e579d8f229e163d12a27ffa6e3a104f |
| 21:32.01 | mnemoc | Turl: evil! |
| 21:32.03 | Turl | preferably rewrite to a less hack form and send mnemoc a patch |
| 21:32.05 | Turl | :) |
| 21:32.05 | gnexus | mnemoc: this just the one in 3.0.8+ ubuntu image... |
| 21:32.06 | hno | gnexus, you can configure your mac in script.bin |
| 21:32.15 | specing | The kernel (sun4i_defconfig) now halts at |
| 21:32.16 | specing | <6>sunxi-uart.1: ttyS1 at MMIO 0x1c28400 (irq = 2) is a U6_16550A |
| 21:32.17 | specing | [uart]: serial probe 1, membase (null) irq 2 mapbase 0x01c28400 |
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| 21:32.32 | gnexus | it works sometimes... |
| 21:32.59 | gnexus | only as wlan1 |
| 21:33.14 | mnemoc | gnexus: we can't fix stuff built from the closed tree |
| 21:34.34 | gnexus | mnemoc: i don't want to fix it, i'm only asking if has been reported as broken or buggy? |
| 21:35.08 | hno | gnexus, mine is wlan0. 3.0.36+ |
| 21:35.29 | gnexus | at least i know the workaround :) |
| 21:36.04 | gnexus | hno: 3.0.36+ works and is better? |
| 21:37.12 | gnexus | hno: the whole kernel i mean |
| 21:37.13 | hno | Can't say. I spend most my time in u-boot really. But it's the one we work on. |
| 21:37.31 | hno | or one of the ones we work on. |
| 21:38.18 | specing | gnexus: well I just tried booting 3.0.36 and it gets stuck :X |
| 21:38.48 | hno | boots the openembedded image just fine for me. |
| 21:39.00 | gnexus | i wish i could get the hdmi working on it - linux-allwinner doesnt work for me yet, |
| 21:39.24 | specing | http://pastebin.com/1nZxMNvY |
| 21:39.30 | gnexus | tried compiling twice already... |
| 21:39.53 | hno | no monitor cables connected to mine. And already know monitor and mele HDMI do not like each other. |
| 21:39.53 | gnexus | i think it may be module loading error... |
| 21:40.19 | hno | gnexus, there is a bunch of modules you need to load for hdmi. |
| 21:40.57 | gnexus | hno: i know. thats the problem. i dont know the order... |
| 21:41.18 | hno | disp, lcd, hdmi I think. |
| 21:41.38 | hno | but they really should depend on each other if there is order dependencies. |
| 21:41.40 | gnexus | i need sid booting so i can depmod in a real rootfs - not chroot |
| 21:42.17 | Turl | why don't you make them built in? |
| 21:42.20 | Turl | problem solved :) |
| 21:42.28 | gnexus | im working on sid now... |
| 21:42.47 | gnexus | Turl: that was my other idea :) |
| 21:43.01 | hno | hdmi depends on disp. But I think you also need lcd. |
| 21:43.04 | Turl | gnexus: that's what I did :P |
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| 21:43.24 | gnexus | Turl: did it work? |
| 21:43.33 | Turl | I use android |
| 21:43.39 | Turl | but yeah it works for android |
| 21:44.06 | gnexus | Turl: then it will work for gnu... |
| 21:44.34 | gnexus | but not with mele... |
| 21:44.44 | gnexus | yet... |
| 21:48.04 | gnexus | LOL! my debian sid amrhf has no X in it yet, that is why there is no video... |
| 21:48.23 | mnemoc | and you blaming poor 3.0.36+ :'( |
| 21:48.33 | gnexus | i must have been 1/2 asleep when i tried it before... |
| 21:49.08 | specing | Now why is my kernel getting stuck... hmmm |
| 21:49.11 | gnexus | mnemoc: no. that was another issue - using Ubuntu that works... |
| 21:49.35 | mnemoc | specing: restore the original script.bin |
| 21:49.56 | specing | mnemoc: nah, then nothing would work :) |
| 21:50.14 | gnexus | mnemoc: the 3.0.36+ hdmi was not working with the Ubuntu that is on the screen now. |
| 21:50.36 | gnexus | this debian was just my buildroot... |
| 21:50.46 | specing | mnemoc: do you have a dmesg log handy? |
| 21:50.47 | gnexus | so i never installed x |
| 21:51.02 | specing | mnemoc: with the linux-allwinner 3.0.36 sources? |
| 21:51.09 | specing | For me to compare with mine? |
| 21:51.17 | specing | So I can see where it gets stuck |
| 21:51.37 | gnexus | specing: very good idea. i need that too. |
| 21:52.25 | hno | specing, did kernel work before u-boot changes? |
| 21:53.31 | specing | hno: Im unable to confirm that as I got no output before the u-boot changes |
| 21:53.34 | gnexus | anybody know quick command to compare 2 [dpkg -l] and output as diff pkgs only? |
| 21:53.47 | specing | hno: probably not |
| 21:54.30 | hno | specing, http://fpaste.org/s7pT/ |
| 21:54.58 | hno | specing, how did you probe for the uarts? |
| 21:56.04 | gnexus | nevermind. I found it already... |
| 21:56.16 | specing | Yeah, me too ^ gnexus |
| 21:56.31 | specing | hno: with a scope |
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| 21:56.43 | hno | specing, yes, but what was you running? |
| 21:56.51 | specing | http://linux-sunxi.org/A10-MID |
| 21:56.54 | specing | the info is there |
| 21:57.06 | specing | serial_spammer.c |
| 21:57.37 | hno | I meant kernel & script.bin. |
| 21:58.07 | gnexus | debian may have a hard time installing upstart... |
| 21:58.21 | specing | hno: kernel was stock android |
| 21:58.30 | specing | hno: I ran the program on android |
| 21:58.54 | gnexus | or lubuntu-artwork... |
| 21:58.54 | specing | hno: I modified script.bin around 20 times to test all configurations |
| 21:59.11 | specing | hno: that is why it took 3 days :) |
| 21:59.26 | specing | hno: I can upload the uart map too |
| 21:59.45 | specing | hno: I've made the map to help me in deciding what to probe next |
| 22:00.17 | specing | hno: http://fpaste.org/0UaT/ |
| 22:01.18 | hno | specing, would have been quicker to write a GPIO banging application I think. |
| 22:01.33 | specing | maybe |
| 22:01.57 | specing | I would certainly be happy to know what those unpopulated pads were meant for |
| 22:02.43 | hno | specing, how is PH01 an MMC conflict? |
| 22:04.51 | hno | used as card presense / write protect GPIO in your board? |
| 22:05.42 | specing | hno: sdc_det = port:PH01<0><1><default><default> |
| 22:05.55 | specing | in [mmc0_para] |
| 22:06.02 | hno | so card presense. |
| 22:06.19 | specing | yes |
| 22:10.25 | hno | So that's an easy RX pin. PG06/PH00 used for anything? |
| 22:12.45 | specing | PH00 is the g sensor, PG06 is not used |
| 22:13.17 | hno | So then you have UART2 fully mapped. |
| 22:13.34 | specing | UART3* |
| 22:13.43 | hno | right. |
| 22:14.16 | specing | Yes, but I do not know where the tx pin is |
| 22:14.32 | specing | or, specifically, how to connect to it |
| 22:15.34 | hno | You do. It's on the MMC connector, easily modded. |
| 22:16.06 | hno | just lift the card detect tounge up above it's contact and you have the pin undisturbed. |
| 22:16.59 | specing | I don't know where PH00 or PG06 is located |
| 22:17.36 | hno | The G sensor should be easy to identify. |
| 22:18.08 | specing | dude S5 is fine |
| 22:18.14 | specing | give me a break ;P |
| 22:18.25 | specing | and help me get the kernel to boot ;) |
| 22:19.06 | lundman | so |
| 22:19.10 | Turl | specing: is the top right a sata port? http://linux-sunxi.org/images/8/89/Board_back_zoom_serial.jpg |
| 22:19.11 | lundman | did anyone get aimage> |
| 22:19.37 | specing | Turl: camera0 |
| 22:19.42 | Turl | oh |
| 22:20.16 | specing | Turl: I'd rather have a SATA port than camera ;) |
| 22:20.20 | specing | if you ask me |
| 22:20.23 | Turl | yeah |
| 22:20.33 | Turl | the cams on these tabs are rather low res |
| 22:20.54 | specing | Damn why do these chinese manufacturers not think of me when they design their boards... |
| 22:21.08 | specing | Turl: yes, 0.3M |
| 22:21.19 | mnemoc | tablet cameras can't be more useless |
| 22:21.30 | Turl | this one is like 5MP on the back |
| 22:21.41 | Turl | but probably it's 5 chinese MP or something :) |
| 22:21.42 | lundman | er new mele image |
| 22:22.30 | hno | lundman, another release, or download finished? |
| 22:23.43 | mnemoc | two the same day? |
| 22:24.05 | hno | SATA is on it's own pins, so you won't find it unless the board is designed with SATA in mind. |
| 22:25.07 | specing | hno: Is it just me or does your kernel map the third uart to S1? |
| 22:25.08 | specing | [ 0.760000] sunxi-uart.0: ttyS0 at MMIO 0x1c28000 (irq = 1) is a U6_16550A |
| 22:25.12 | specing | [ 0.770000] [uart]: serial probe 0, membase (null) irq 1 mapbase 0x01c28000 |
| 22:25.15 | specing | [ 0.810000] sunxi-uart.2: ttyS1 at MMIO 0x1c28800 (irq = 3) is a U6_16550A |
| 22:25.38 | hno | But you can probably convert most tablets to use an ATA drive. |
| 22:27.25 | lundman | I only have 35M so far |
| 22:28.01 | hno | specing, looks so. Didn't even notice it had ttyS1 configured before. |
| 22:28.24 | hno | and if I try touching it the board locks up. Good test for the watchdog (it worked). |
| 22:28.40 | specing | What is G2D? |
| 22:28.48 | hno | 2D acceleration. |
| 22:29.32 | specing | hno: well if the kernel messes with the port numbers then my ttyS5 setting is incorrect |
| 22:29.47 | specing | <6>sunxi-uart.1: ttyS1 at MMIO 0x1c28400 (irq = 2) is a U6_16550A |
| 22:29.48 | specing | [uart]: serial probe 1, membase (null) irq 2 mapbase 0x01c28400 |
| 22:29.55 | specing | is where the output stops |
| 22:30.27 | specing | Lets see what I have enabled... |
| 22:30.29 | hno | you are using earlyprintk? |
| 22:30.32 | specing | Yes |
| 22:31.04 | hno | there is an option to keep earlyprintk console open. |
| 22:32.05 | hno | normally it's closed aruond there.. |
| 22:32.38 | specing | hno: where is it? |
| 22:33.51 | specing | (the option) |
| 22:34.02 | specing | I'll try with ttyS3 though |
| 22:34.14 | specing | Must get rx soldered |
| 22:34.18 | specing | tomorrow. |
| 22:35.03 | hno | earlyprintk=keep I think. |
| 22:36.13 | specing | command-line? |
| 22:36.24 | hno | Hmm.. no it's not that. |
| 22:36.26 | hno | yes. |
| 22:36.38 | hno | but was something else. |
| 22:37.00 | hno | the arm earlyprintk is an earlycon. You can tell kernel to not disable earlycon. |
| 22:38.09 | hno | keep_bootcon |
| 22:38.14 | hno | specing ^ |
| 22:38.36 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.37 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.37 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.37 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.37 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.20 | specing | I'll mess with uart rx and ttySn tomorrow |
| 22:41.59 | hno | specing, ok. Goodnight. |
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| 22:52.24 | gnexus | goodnight all. |
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| 23:04.36 | CIA-122 | rhombus-tech: Oscar master * rf634dd662fc1 /allwinner_a10/orders/blahVoid.mdwn: |
| 23:09.33 | hno | mnemoc, sw_ahci_platform complains abuot "err: gpio count < =0 ,gpio_count is: 0 " on my mele with original script.bin. |
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| 23:11.01 | mnemoc | uhm... |
| 23:11.07 | mnemoc | hno: 3.0-v2? |
| 23:13.17 | hno | yes |
| 23:13.47 | hno | no idea if it works. Just did a modprobe. |
| 23:14.18 | mnemoc | weird, I've not used sata in a long time there but I don't remember that message |
| 23:15.22 | mnemoc | I'll try it after finishing fixing some conflicts in the port to 3.4 |
| 23:15.53 | hno | ok. |
| 23:15.57 | mnemoc | I made a tag before merging 3.0.36 you could try |
| 23:16.15 | mnemoc | I know it worked fine in 3.0.31 |
| 23:16.25 | mnemoc | sunxi-v3.0.31-1 |
| 23:16.40 | mnemoc | that's just before the merges for 3.0.36 |
| 23:16.55 | mnemoc | (should make tags more often) |
| 23:17.03 | hno | don't have any SATA to connect to at the moment. |
| 23:17.16 | hno | all used for something. |
| 23:27.57 | lundman | woo 41megs |
| 23:30.44 | hno | lundman, lightning speed. |
| 23:31.43 | lundman | stand back everyone, wear sunglasses, this will hit lightspeed |
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| 23:39.01 | mikey_w | Official ICS image doesn't support the sata drive. |
| 23:39.11 | mnemoc | :o |
| 23:39.27 | mikey_w | Sucks. |
| 23:39.49 | xxiao | mikey_w: do they have a driver for sata |
| 23:39.52 | mnemoc | how can mele release an image without sata support when that's one of the key features of their unique product? |
| 23:40.25 | xxiao | mnemoc: not really, A10 is all about tablet which runs volume |
| 23:40.32 | mikey_w | The image is just a rip off of the unofficial one, diff reports. |
| 23:40.33 | xxiao | mnemoc: melo is a side-job mostly |
| 23:40.56 | mikey_w | No credits given to early developer. |
| 23:41.00 | mnemoc | xxiao: sure, but this isn't a tablet image, it's mele's image |
| 23:41.05 | xxiao | in short, expect tablet-related funcs to work, the rest just pray |
| 23:41.49 | xxiao | begins to clone github |
| 23:42.40 | mikey_w | Where can I get a good drier for sata? |
| 23:42.46 | mikey_w | driver |
| 23:42.54 | xxiao | mikey_w: depends on what SATA IP they use |
| 23:43.01 | mnemoc | mikey_w: build the open source kernel |
| 23:43.05 | xxiao | it might have a driver already, very likely |
| 23:44.28 | xxiao | looking at their datasheet, they don't even have a SATA chapter |
| 23:44.57 | mnemoc | you can't put lots of data in a 80p datasheet |
| 23:45.00 | xxiao | it's like one missing major piece is SATA as far as datasheet goes |
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| 23:46.33 | xxiao | wits-tech's devkit doc has a few lines on SATA, not really useful |
| 23:47.52 | mikey_w | Does ant firmware for the mele support all of he hardware? |
| 23:47.57 | lundman | whats the kernel version? |
| 23:47.58 | mikey_w | s/he/the |
| 23:48.14 | lundman | seems we can just build the sata module |
| 23:48.37 | mikey_w | I'd need instructions. |
| 23:48.53 | xxiao | lundman: if you can build the sata module, what else do you need then |
| 23:49.27 | mikey_w | gpu sources. :) |
| 23:49.52 | xxiao | i mean sata, if you can build the module, that in general sata is done |
| 23:50.00 | xxiao | i was thinking there is no code for it at all |
| 23:50.23 | mnemoc | if you only want to build the module, the lichee-3.0.8-sun4i branch should do |
| 23:50.25 | lundman | oh I assumed sata worked in the ubuntu releases |
| 23:50.34 | mnemoc | sun4i_crane_defconfig |
| 23:50.35 | hno | xxiao, there is full GPL source for the SATA driver. |
| 23:50.50 | xxiao | hno: where is it |
| 23:50.55 | mikey_w | If the sata module could be built then all I need is a copy of it. |
| 23:50.58 | mnemoc | in the kernel tree? |
| 23:51.07 | xxiao | mnemoc: for meli2000 which branch of the kernel should i use, git-cloning |
| 23:51.17 | mnemoc | xxiao: the default branch |
| 23:51.20 | hno | xxiao, the recommended kernel for A10. |
| 23:51.25 | xxiao | ok |
| 23:51.43 | mikey_w | I'm lazy. |
| 23:51.46 | hno | nothing hidden anywhere. |
| 23:51.47 | mnemoc | noticed |
| 23:53.12 | lundman | i already built the android kernel and booted for a10 ics4 image |
| 23:53.25 | lundman | but yeah, dont remember what the sata device was called :) |
| 23:53.35 | lundman | * lichee-3.0.8-sun4i |
| 23:53.44 | lundman | make sun4i_crane_defconfig |
| 23:53.49 | xxiao | lundman: where is the android source to check out |
| 23:54.03 | mnemoc | that branch is only intended for people who wants to inject a .ko |
| 23:54.10 | xxiao | it took forever to check out kernel tree here from mnemoc's git |
| 23:54.47 | hno | xxiao, you might want to tell git to limit the clone to just the branches you are interested in. |
| 23:55.23 | xxiao | hno: yeah or i could just add remote branches to my existing kernel trees here... |
| 23:55.48 | xxiao | but since hdd are so cheap and git is sometimes messy |
| 23:56.06 | mnemoc | git remote add would work too |
| 23:56.12 | lundman | hmm i think its a standard sata driver |
| 23:56.15 | hno | xxiao, you can clone what you have and then add remotes to keep things a little sane. |
| 23:56.16 | mnemoc | if you already have a clone of linux's master |
| 23:57.12 | xxiao | mnemoc: i used to have many remote branches from various sources, but sometimes it's a little hard to track |
