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| 01:48.31 | IEF | mnemoc: I haz UART :) |
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| 09:59.48 | mnemoc | IEF: on a mk802? |
| 10:10.04 | RaYmAn | afaik he only has one A10 devices - mk802, but he's not responding =P |
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| 10:17.08 | specing | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN |
| 10:18.14 | specing | N wifi? |
| 10:18.17 | specing | 10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 13.4655 s, 779 kB/s |
| 10:18.24 | specing | N my ass. |
| 10:18.43 | rm | you're holding it wrong (tm) |
| 10:19.15 | lundman | :) |
| 10:19.24 | RaYmAn | I don't think supporting N requires being able to actually provide N-speed data :P |
| 10:20.02 | rm | try switching it to G and check the speed |
| 10:20.13 | rm | my VC882 tablet is really unstable at N |
| 10:20.18 | rm | even had to disable it on the router |
| 10:20.25 | specing | That 800K/s is copying a file from /dev/zero through NFS |
| 10:20.39 | rm | with nfs, tune rsize=/wsize= |
| 10:23.00 | Quarx | mnemoc: hi, i got hdmi cable, after wakeup hdmi works, display not.. |
| 10:25.19 | zenitraM | specing: use iperf |
| 10:26.00 | rm | mk802 doesn't boot with http://hands.com/~lkcl/mele_debian_armhf_minimal.cpio.gz |
| 10:26.13 | rm | any quick ideas what might be needed to change (from it being for Mele)? |
| 10:26.57 | zenitraM | rm: script.bin maybe |
| 10:27.40 | rm | but that's in the boot partition, right |
| 10:28.01 | rm | I did not touch that one, and it's from an Ubuntu image that booted fine |
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| 10:52.54 | mnemoc | rm: if you boot from SD, the script.bin needs to be in SD |
| 10:53.41 | mnemoc | Quarx: I'm very inclined to believe the lcd info in your script.bin has something wrong |
| 10:54.25 | Quarx | mnemoc: maybe, but no problems with ainol kernel.. |
| 10:54.26 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: in that case you can solder an uart too, right? |
| 10:54.36 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: presumably, yes |
| 10:54.57 | mnemoc | Quarx: we can't know what ainol did in their private tree |
| 10:55.20 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: if IEF would show up and tell me where :P |
| 10:55.20 | Quarx | yea:( |
| 10:55.22 | mnemoc | Quarx: it's also possible there is a hardware problem they worked around in source |
| 10:55.47 | mnemoc | IEF!!! |
| 10:56.02 | lundman | cucumbeerrrrr |
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| 10:56.55 | Quarx | mnemoc: i tried flash full nanda from ainol ELF (elf doesn't have problem with disp). But not help for aurora, the same problem. i think it is hw problem. |
| 10:57.32 | mnemoc | Quarx: love gpl-violating companies :< |
| 10:58.50 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: iirc, he only found TX (mk802 side), but that's more than enough for proper debug, heh |
| 10:59.19 | Quarx | mnemoc: and i replaced resume function by fully initialized disp (as on first boot). not help. |
| 11:00.23 | mnemoc | need to go :( back in 1h |
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| 11:32.11 | rm | somehow this mele_debian_armhf_minimal doesn't even boot on a Mele too |
| 11:35.03 | rm | what is it with all those people making Ubuntu Server images :/ |
| 11:35.44 | rm | I see a lot of ubuntu and ubuntu-server images and howtos one creating them |
| 11:35.50 | rm | but almost nothing about debian |
| 11:35.56 | rm | and what there is, it doesn't actually work |
| 11:36.09 | lundman | its all the same kernel, flavour is irrelevant |
| 11:36.26 | lundman | and its rotten! [:) |
| 11:36.32 | RaYmAn | the big issue is the lack of debugability without console =P |
| 11:38.00 | rm | with the debian image I have monitor active (backlight on), but blank screen |
| 11:39.32 | rm | btw, is there even any support for pre-X console output? |
| 11:39.49 | rm | the ubuntu image I tried, displayed nothing on screen, until X has loaded |
| 11:49.17 | rzk | there is no fbcon, or it was broken or something. |
| 11:57.15 | mnemoc | rzk: no fbcon support |
| 11:57.53 | mnemoc | rzk: the fb driver needs to be seriously cleaned before we are able to extend it to support fbcon |
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| 12:02.53 | mnemoc | any suggestions about what sun4i_defconfig is missing to be used as a decent general purpose config in a deb/rpm/opkg ? |
| 12:10.40 | rzk | casts rm into the channel as a local debian pro |
| 12:12.31 | mnemoc | debian/ubuntu is indeed my priority, but not the only ;-) |
| 12:12.49 | mnemoc | it would be need to make .deb of the mali and cedar stuff too |
| 12:13.21 | rm | I haven't looked at kernel configs yet |
| 12:13.38 | rm | and in fact I wondered just now |
| 12:13.52 | rm | are USB ethernet drivers built in into whatever kernel I have... |
| 12:14.31 | mnemoc | $ grep WEMAC arch/arm/configs/sun4i_defconfig |
| 12:14.32 | mnemoc | CONFIG_WEMAC_SUN4I=y |
| 12:14.53 | mnemoc | but i suppose it should become m |
| 12:14.58 | lundman | wemac is the wired nic |
| 12:15.02 | lundman | rlt is the usb wifi |
| 12:15.31 | mnemoc | $ grep 8192 arch/arm/configs/sun4i_defconfig |
| 12:15.31 | mnemoc | CONFIG_RTL8192CU_SW=m |
| 12:17.57 | lundman | wemac is where the problem is alas.. not been able to fix it |
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| 12:23.11 | rm | mnemoc, no, I mean various random external USB ones |
| 12:23.19 | rm | I am trying it on mk802 |
| 12:23.48 | rm | booting with an image which has no X installed means no display |
| 12:23.51 | mnemoc | does it provide enough power for anethernet dongle? |
| 12:24.01 | rm | that's a good question |
| 12:25.17 | mnemoc | for the records, the server image does boot on my mele as-is |
| 12:26.06 | mnemoc | gives a prompt on the serial console, but doesn't setup network |
| 12:26.47 | mnemoc | sorry, it does |
| 12:27.16 | mnemoc | but random mac, so random ip |
| 12:27.26 | rm | where's arch/arm/configs/sun4i_defconfig? |
| 12:27.31 | rm | not in mainline? |
| 12:27.41 | mnemoc | rm: of course not |
| 12:28.26 | mnemoc | the sources we have need a lot of work before even trying to mainline anything |
| 12:28.41 | mnemoc | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner |
| 12:31.18 | mnemoc | how amazing... the author of tubemate, an outcast android app to download youtube videos works at google :p |
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| 12:33.20 | rm | yay yay yay |
| 12:33.47 | rm | Linux debian 3.0.8+ #2 PREEMPT Fri Mar 2 14:28:08 CST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 12:34.23 | rm | the armhf image has booted on the mele, and it indeed does set up DHCP network |
| 12:34.37 | mnemoc | linaro@linaro-server:~$ uname -a |
| 12:34.38 | mnemoc | Linux linaro-server 3.0.31+ #1 PREEMPT Thu Jun 21 20:16:20 ICT 2012 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 12:35.53 | rm | it's compiled without IPv6 |
| 12:35.58 | rm | ...really... |
| 12:37.22 | lundman | the outrage |
| 12:38.21 | mnemoc | rm: help me make a debian/ and a better defconfig in https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner and I can keep an updated http://apt.linux-sunxi.org repo |
| 12:42.36 | rm | okay, cloning the repository at the moment |
| 12:42.49 | rm | I'll try building a kernel from it |
| 12:42.51 | rm | also |
| 12:43.57 | rm | if we want this kernel config to be usable on mk802, it will need to have the USB Ethernet modules enabled |
| 12:44.04 | rm | and maybe some common ones even built in |
| 12:44.30 | mnemoc | sure |
| 12:44.51 | mnemoc | it doesn't need to be spartan |
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| 12:45.10 | mnemoc | it needs to be useful |
| 12:45.15 | mnemoc | back in 20m |
| 12:47.06 | rm | specifically right now I need "asix" // description: ASIX AX8817X based USB 2.0 Ethernet Devices |
| 12:47.30 | rm | doesn't seem to be built in, so no dice with this image on mk802 |
| 12:47.43 | rm | probably it boots and tries to set up network, except there's none |
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| 12:59.06 | vgrade | hipboi_ hi, very interested in your work on mali X11 |
| 12:59.39 | hipboi_ | hi |
| 12:59.47 | hipboi_ | have you tried? |
| 13:00.55 | vgrade | I have not yet but have done some work with the mali gles driver which has the framebuffer backend instead if X11 |
| 13:04.06 | hipboi_ | ok |
| 13:04.56 | vgrade | di you have good support from arm? |
| 13:05.33 | hipboi_ | no |
| 13:05.40 | hipboi_ | i am asking |
| 13:05.44 | vgrade | oh |
| 13:06.35 | vgrade | do they provide for both x11 and andriod in the sdk |
| 13:07.42 | hipboi_ | yes |
| 13:08.19 | hipboi_ | they provide sdk can compile for linux and x11 with different ENV |
| 13:08.37 | hipboi_ | for the open gl es library |
| 13:08.56 | hipboi_ | other stuff can be downloaded from mali dev website |
| 13:12.44 | vgrade | hipboi_ thanks I may give it a go we have been trying to get access to the sdk for ages to get an x11 set of userspace gles libs |
| 13:15.45 | IEF | mnemoc: yes, on mk802 |
| 13:17.34 | mnemoc | IEF: can you explain the details? :) |
| 13:18.43 | IEF | http://shadowchild.nl/mk802_uart.jpg |
| 13:18.54 | IEF | I've not found RX, unfortunately. |
| 13:19.12 | IEF | shit would go haywire when trying to connect the second pin on the left |
| 13:19.20 | IEF | so output-only, for now |
| 13:19.37 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: ----^ |
| 13:19.54 | IEF | hehe yeah, he's been linked, don't worry ;) |
| 13:20.06 | mnemoc | :) |
| 13:20.14 | IEF | aaanyway. |
| 13:20.24 | IEF | I got my first allwinner-android-v2 kernel working |
| 13:21.25 | IEF | there seems to be an issue with getting vreg |
| 13:21.42 | IEF | e.g. kernel BUG when I enable powermanagement |
| 13:21.53 | IEF | so I disabled cpufreq/cpuidle |
| 13:21.58 | IEF | and that worked. |
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| 13:25.00 | mnemoc | uhm |
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| 13:28.22 | mnemoc | IEF: the lack of Rx can be a misconfigured script.bin.... the point next to the Tx it's screaming Rx |
| 13:29.03 | IEF | yeah, I know it is :P |
| 13:29.19 | mnemoc | do you have the decompiled .fex? |
| 13:29.19 | IEF | you might be right though |
| 13:29.23 | IEF | yes |
| 13:29.32 | IEF | from the stock mk802 image |
| 13:29.39 | rm | dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=256 | md5sum <- 268435456 bytes (268 MB) copied, 3.88287 s, 69.1 MB/s (on the Mele) |
| 13:29.44 | rm | that's impressive :) |
| 13:31.05 | rm | 8.22589 s, 32.6 MB/s on the 800 MHz Loongson 2F |
| 13:33.18 | rm | memory bandwidth according to mbw is about 2x higher |
| 13:33.38 | mnemoc | IEF: these are most of the pins https://github.com/amery/sunxi-tools/blob/pins/pins_a10.c .... find the companion Rx of your Tx |
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| 13:34.45 | mnemoc | need to finish that list and add a13..... |
| 13:38.21 | Quarx | mnemoc: do you know something about LCD SPI module? it used in ainol kernel |
| 13:38.50 | mnemoc | haven't looked there |
| 13:39.15 | mnemoc | or you mean we miss it? |
| 13:40.05 | Quarx | maybe, from ainol dmesg (on wakeup) ========== LCD SPI data translation finished =========== |
| 13:40.25 | Quarx | after it, display on |
| 13:40.44 | Quarx | <3>request gpio lcd_spi_cs etc |
| 13:42.14 | mnemoc | $ git grep lcd_spi_cs | wc -l |
| 13:42.14 | mnemoc | 0 |
| 13:43.25 | mnemoc | so we miss a driver you need |
| 13:44.41 | mnemoc | how lovely |
| 13:45.38 | Quarx | really to find find it? |
| 13:48.34 | mnemoc | most of those drivers are common drivers + sys_config (script.bin) hacks to configure them |
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| 13:57.54 | Quarx | lcd_spi_used = 1 |
| 13:58.54 | Quarx | [lcd_spi_para] |
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| 14:17.51 | hipboi_ | yes, some lcd need to be inited through spi |
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| 14:28.47 | mnemoc | hipboi_: problem is we don't have any driver using that section |
| 14:29.26 | mnemoc | hipboi_: neither in your 2.6.36 release or in the 3.0.8 released by Qware |
| 14:30.14 | hipboi_ | ok |
| 14:30.31 | hipboi_ | i will cherry-pick the patch |
| 14:30.35 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 14:31.17 | hipboi_ | the novo7 aurora lcd needs that |
| 14:31.38 | mnemoc | that's exactly Quarx's tablet |
| 14:34.02 | mnemoc | so other IPS tablets don't need it? |
| 14:34.37 | hipboi_ | i am not sure |
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| 16:38.58 | Quarx | mnemoc: didn't understand.. hipboi have a patch for spi? |
| 16:40.16 | mnemoc | Quarx: it seems he will get us the patch |
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| 16:41.01 | Quarx | it will be great :) |
| 16:44.38 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 17:10.10 | tallnerd1985 | Any word on the mk802 source code being released? |
| 17:10.28 | RaYmAn | none at all |
| 17:10.56 | tallnerd1985 | Figures |
| 17:11.07 | RaYmAn | It shouldn't strictly be required however |
| 17:11.16 | mnemoc | anything you miss in our tree? |
| 17:11.23 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: booting kernels ;) |
| 17:11.28 | RaYmAn | but that should come soon. |
| 17:11.30 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 17:11.31 | tallnerd1985 | I guess it's a 1gb uboot issue |
| 17:11.52 | RaYmAn | unlikely |
| 17:12.10 | tallnerd1985 | The community uboot doesn't work to use the full 1gb ram |
| 17:12.55 | RaYmAn | If we can get a community uboot to actually work on the device, patching it to use 1gb ram isn't much of an issue. |
| 17:13.15 | tallnerd1985 | True |
| 17:13.19 | mnemoc | hno's should work.... if booting from uSD |
| 17:13.30 | mnemoc | from nand, prefer hipboi's |
| 17:14.16 | RaYmAn | I really need to figure out how to solder that serial console in, lol. Or see if anyone I know have the skills for something that small :S |
| 17:14.20 | mnemoc | problem is dram initialization is normally done by the device-specific closed source boot1 |
| 17:14.26 | tallnerd1985 | Surprisingly Linux runs pretty smooth with only 512mb ram available but I guess being clocked at 1.5ghz helps |
| 17:14.41 | RaYmAn | it's not really clocked at 1.5ghz |
| 17:15.05 | tallnerd1985 | How so? |
| 17:15.19 | RaYmAn | It's quite stupid - when they say 1.5ghz they actually mean 1ghz cpu + ~500mhz GPU ;) or something like that |
| 17:15.31 | mnemoc | Turl has a cpufreq branch to allow going beyond 1.0. but above 1.2 it's unusable |
| 17:15.41 | tallnerd1985 | I see |
| 17:16.31 | Turl | mnemoc: the stock code is OC-able too, my branch just cleans the cpufreq code up |
| 17:16.51 | Turl | (you're welcome to test the branch and let me know how it works btw :)) |
| 17:18.04 | mnemoc | nah |
| 17:18.06 | mnemoc | I pass |
| 17:18.17 | mnemoc | I'm happy at 60MHz even |
| 17:18.21 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 17:18.42 | Turl | mnemoc: clocks don't change, just the code handling them :) |
| 17:19.12 | Turl | mnemoc: btw, I challenge you to set 60Mhz and use android for a day :P |
| 17:19.26 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: # cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:19.27 | mnemoc | Processor: ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) |
| 17:19.27 | mnemoc | BogoMIPS: 59.63 |
| 17:19.27 | mnemoc | Features: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 |
| 17:19.57 | Turl | mnemoc: run some cpueater on there :) |
| 17:20.08 | mnemoc | I wasn't kidding about the 60MHz ;-) |
| 17:20.21 | RaYmAn | what do you use it for at 60Mhz? :P |
| 17:20.31 | tallnerd1985 | Really? |
| 17:20.34 | mnemoc | insmod, rmmod |
| 17:20.39 | Turl | :P |
| 17:21.19 | DonkeyHotei | i'd say monitoring the power line, but that would be 50MHz for you guys |
| 17:21.40 | Turl | heh |
| 17:21.51 | DonkeyHotei | wait no |
| 17:22.01 | DonkeyHotei | is an idiot |
| 17:22.16 | Turl | 50Hz |
| 17:22.18 | DonkeyHotei | yes |
| 17:22.27 | Turl | but I doubt you can process a cycle on one clock tick though :) |
| 17:22.37 | DonkeyHotei | as opposed to 60Hz, not 60MHz |
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| 17:23.28 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: 60MHz is the minimal freq in the cpufreq tablet, when idling `ondemand` goes there |
| 17:23.45 | mnemoc | table* |
| 17:23.46 | Turl | mnemoc: the minimum is like 30Mhz :) |
| 17:23.58 | DonkeyHotei | i prefer "conservative" to "ondemand" |
| 17:24.11 | Turl | I use "fantasy" |
| 17:24.17 | Turl | sounds cool and performs decently :P |
| 17:24.32 | DonkeyHotei | idk that one |
| 17:24.32 | mnemoc | Turl: iirc 30Mhz is only used by the standby module |
| 17:24.45 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: seems to be written by allwinner |
| 17:24.51 | Turl | mnemoc: indeed |
| 17:24.56 | Turl | it's more like 'interactive' |
| 17:25.00 | Turl | but it has some black magic |
| 17:25.11 | Turl | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/arch/arm/mach-sun4i/cpu-freq/cpu-freq-table.c#L32 |
| 17:25.16 | Turl | yup 30Mhz |
| 17:25.24 | DonkeyHotei | suitable for roleplaying games, heh |
| 17:25.28 | Turl | mnemoc: you can lower the governor min to 30Mhz and use it |
| 17:25.45 | mnemoc | doh |
| 17:26.30 | Turl | mnemoc: even on code if you want |
| 17:26.31 | Turl | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/arch/arm/mach-sun4i/cpu-freq/cpu-freq.h#L44 |
| 17:26.54 | tallnerd1985 | Speaking of RPGs, how's does FPSECE run on these devices? |
| 17:27.20 | Turl | tallnerd1985: what's that? |
| 17:27.29 | tallnerd1985 | A psx emulator |
| 17:27.45 | Turl | I need to get one of those PS3 bluetooth chinese clone controls and get back to playing psx games |
| 17:30.54 | tallnerd1985 | Ditto |
| 17:31.37 | tallnerd1985 | Some Xenogears sounds great right now |
| 17:32.39 | zenitraM | wonders if a xbox controller + usb adapter i have laying here would work |
| 17:33.40 | tallnerd1985 | I don't think so. The USB is only for power, still uses wireless for communication |
| 17:33.51 | zenitraM | no, it's a classic xbox one |
| 17:34.03 | tallnerd1985 | Maybe |
| 17:35.29 | zenitraM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.30 | zenitraM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.30 | zenitraM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.33 | zenitraM | nice.... |
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| 18:35.22 | j1nx | For the guys that saw me spamming a new A10 stck; |
| 18:35.25 | j1nx | http://www.j1nx.nl/multimedia/oval-elephant-beat-mini-pc-stick/ |
| 18:36.33 | j1nx | Including all the carefull advises from hno, hence the even are changing the HDMI connector to a female version |
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| 18:45.04 | rm | j1nx, your IPv6 is down |
| 18:45.17 | Turl | rm: second person to notice ;) |
| 18:47.39 | rm | > 1st shipment is July 3rd (limited quantity). Next shipment is July 20. |
| 18:47.45 | rm | gives me R Pi flashbacks! |
| 18:48.07 | RaYmAn | j1nx: the obvious question: Does that manufacturer live up to GPL? :P |
| 18:48.16 | RaYmAn | I know the answer will be a bit no, but meh :/ |
| 18:48.31 | Turl | RaYmAn: allwinner makes all the A10s :P |
| 18:48.34 | rm | also it looks ugly |
| 18:48.52 | RaYmAn | Turl: they don't make the boards though, do they? just the SoC |
| 18:49.18 | Turl | RaYmAn: well the interesting code is allwinner's :) |
| 18:49.46 | Turl | j |
| 18:49.58 | Turl | j1nx: why does it have mics? |
| 18:50.17 | RaYmAn | Turl: You'd think a manufacturer would be able to at least release the changes they make :/ |
| 18:50.30 | Turl | I doubt they make any |
| 18:50.40 | RaYmAn | well, like on mk802 |
| 18:51.26 | RaYmAn | they clearly changed something because the released bootloaders only let 512MB show up (I know that's fixable, but point still stands) |
| 18:51.35 | j1nx | rm: I know, will work on it next week (Radvd is messed up I think) |
| 18:51.54 | j1nx | Turl: Why not! |
| 18:52.21 | rm | j1nx, 20 second page load time for everyone who has IPv6, in the meantime |
| 18:52.51 | j1nx | rm, oh crap! Will speed it up then |
| 18:52.54 | Turl | j1nx: why do you want a mic? |
| 18:53.33 | j1nx | Turl: "XBMC, music on" |
| 18:54.57 | Turl | j1nx: at 5-10m away from the device? :P |
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| 18:56.32 | Turl | j1nx: hmm |
| 18:56.39 | Turl | j1nx: no mali? 2D/ 3D/ OpenGL ES2.0(AMD Z430)/ OpenVG1.1(AMD Z160) 27M Tri/sec |
| 18:58.06 | j1nx | Turl: Good spot, the GPU specs are wrong |
| 19:34.32 | Turl | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyNTY |
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| 19:37.54 | Turl | heh chinese buy power :) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyNTE |
| 19:46.22 | rm | I wonder about the specifics |
| 19:46.31 | rm | do they build 10 million Loongson desktops? |
| 19:49.49 | Quarx | mnemoc: lol, but i set lcd_spi_used = 0, and no problems with display.. |
| 19:50.27 | Quarx | i will check battery after it |
| 19:53.38 | Quarx | mnemoc: oops, i flash wrong kernel, lcd_spi_used = 0,is not help |
| 19:55.04 | Turl | rm: possibly, for chinese govt offices? |
| 19:55.31 | rm | I wonder what do they look like and can I buy one :p |
| 19:55.47 | Turl | rm: well I doubt they look any different from the random desktop pc :P |
| 19:55.54 | Turl | they won't run windows tho :) |
| 19:55.54 | rm | oooooh, please do doubt |
| 19:56.04 | rm | Lemote never did random desktop PCs |
| 19:56.06 | rm | nevar! |
| 19:56.21 | Turl | RMS's lemote looked like a normal lappy? |
| 19:56.58 | rm | for desktop they have stuff like the fuloong (CD-ROM drive sized) and Lynloong (all-in-one with a crappy 15" widescreen monitor for an unholy price) |
| 19:57.54 | Turl | cool |
| 19:57.55 | rm | I dreamed about a regular ATX-standard mainboard with a Loongson on it, and some PCI slots |
| 19:58.00 | rm | but it only exists on photos |
| 19:58.09 | Turl | heh |
| 19:58.32 | Turl | wonder what lappy is RMS gonna buy |
| 19:58.34 | rm | looks like in this format there were evaluation samples only |
| 19:58.55 | rm | I guess another Yeeloong |
| 19:59.13 | Turl | they don't make them anymore I heard |
| 19:59.20 | rm | still do sell them |
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| 20:05.12 | specing | rm: ATX should be defunct |
| 20:06.15 | rm | yeah, looks like it will be |
| 20:06.50 | specing | I mean, only x86 bloat requires a boatload of support chips |
| 20:06.50 | rm | sadly proper operating systems may almost go defunct too as a side effect |
| 20:07.49 | rm | all those shiny compact new devices run Android, or ChromeOS, or OSX |
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| 20:09.03 | Turl | rm: workstations are not dead |
| 20:09.08 | ManoftheSea | servers are not dead |
| 20:09.18 | rm | "work" stations... |
| 20:09.29 | rm | what about home PCs |
| 20:09.42 | rm | people will soon just have a MK802 like device |
| 20:09.49 | rm | many people* |
| 20:09.50 | rm | and that's it |
| 20:09.51 | Turl | rm: which will run ubuntu |
| 20:10.04 | rm | it comes with Android 4.0 |
| 20:10.16 | rm | and a regular person is not going to bother replacing that |
| 20:10.39 | rm | hey it runs angrybirds and a lot of all those apps |
| 20:11.25 | Turl | rm: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android |
| 20:11.34 | rm | Android is still crappy with keyboard+mouse |
| 20:11.38 | Turl | rm: random people don't buy MK802-like devices |
| 20:11.47 | Turl | rm: it's not that bad eh |
| 20:11.48 | rm | why, really? |
| 20:12.11 | rm | Aliexpress has 10000 "android TV box" models |
| 20:12.27 | rm | and this particular one is quite cheap and small |
| 20:12.28 | specing | lol |
| 20:12.41 | specing | Which one? |
| 20:12.49 | rm | so can't see why it's a product that's not interesting to a regular person |
| 20:12.55 | rm | the MK802 |
| 20:13.05 | specing | Hmm okey |
| 20:13.06 | Turl | random western people don't constantly look at aliexpress either :P |
| 20:13.11 | rm | assuming the "intended use" with Android 4.0 |
| 20:13.13 | specing | Heh |
| 20:13.39 | rm | well, we were talking about "future home PCs" |
| 20:13.55 | RaYmAn | Turl: Cotton candy though ;) |
| 20:14.02 | specing | Im also not going to buy cortex-a8 products anymore (I already have two), I'll rather wait for ARM quad cores! ;) |
| 20:14.07 | Turl | rm: people don't drop habits that quick |
| 20:14.09 | rm | I think it's a possibility that MK802-like devices running android or chrome OS will remove the need for a dedicated home PC for many |
| 20:14.15 | Turl | rm: my dad still uses his P4 with XP ;) |
| 20:14.19 | rm | you mean Windows habits |
| 20:14.19 | rm | right |
| 20:14.26 | mnemoc | j1nx: how do you know this stick has populated uart? |
| 20:14.44 | specing | Turl: I still have a P4 with XP... it is sometimes quite usefull ;P |
| 20:14.47 | Turl | RaYmAn: isn't cotton candy that hw modder arm thing? |
| 20:15.02 | Turl | RaYmAn: stick inside your notebook and have a low power system for light tasks? :P |
| 20:15.08 | RaYmAn | Turl: ? It's a dualcore cortex a9 usb-stick size device |
| 20:15.19 | rm | for $200+ |
| 20:15.22 | RaYmAn | Turl: it has hdmi out and can run standalone as well |
| 20:15.34 | RaYmAn | sure, non-chinese products costs money :P |
| 20:15.57 | specing | They would need to go below $100 to become interesting |
| 20:16.04 | rm | I'll just imagine a beowulf cluster of my two MK802s |
| 20:16.08 | specing | unless they get branded as iSomething |
| 20:16.18 | mnemoc | they building them in china anyway |
| 20:16.20 | RaYmAn | Well, clearly mk802 and the rest are pretty obvious clones of that |
| 20:16.34 | RaYmAn | my point was mainly wrt the aliexpress checking =P |
| 20:16.42 | rm | I don't think it's fair to speak of clones if the idea is obvious |
| 20:16.44 | Turl | RaYmAn: ah right, it's "PunkThis" http://cuppcomputing.com/2011/05/punkthis-40-hour-computing/ |
| 20:17.03 | rm | more people will say all of these are Raspbery Pi clones (but completely missing the point! wah) |
| 20:17.29 | RaYmAn | rm: well, there were no such devices from china before cotton candy was announced |
| 20:17.34 | Turl | wonder if it'd be possible to stick a rpi inside a commercial tv :P |
| 20:18.00 | RaYmAn | Turl: lol, these days the SoC's in tvs are probably more powerful :P |
| 20:18.04 | rm | I wonder if it's possible to attach a cheap touch screen to MK802 |
| 20:18.08 | rm | and maybe some battery |
| 20:18.16 | rm | and then we'd have a tablet yay |
| 20:18.17 | mnemoc | Turl: luke wants to puteoma68 cards inside TVs too |
| 20:18.39 | RaYmAn | Turl: iirc, the new samsung has dualcore something |
| 20:20.13 | Turl | RaYmAn: quite possibly, my tv has USB, runs linux and decodes h264 fullHD, DTV and cable tv :P |
| 20:20.29 | Turl | but pretty sure it's not ARM arch |
| 20:20.30 | mnemoc | Turl: and the GPL code? |
| 20:20.42 | Turl | mnemoc: it's on samsung's site |
| 20:20.44 | RaYmAn | Samsung went ARM since uhm, C models |
| 20:20.50 | Turl | I downloaded it one day :P |
| 20:20.55 | mnemoc | Turl: nice |
| 20:21.08 | RaYmAn | at least samsung provides source and toolchains |
| 20:21.23 | RaYmAn | though, they of course encrypt everything on device, so you can't actually use it for a whole lot |
| 20:24.07 | Turl | mnemoc: http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=list&menu_item=office&classification1=monitor |
| 20:24.21 | Turl | T24A550 |
| 20:25.26 | zenitraM | my father has got a D6000 and you can only access a shell using a nasty bug which involves tampering with a setting backup |
| 20:26.28 | Turl | this has a 'firmware update' option on the menu |
| 20:26.36 | Turl | if you plug a HDD with a file named a special way |
| 20:27.08 | RaYmAn | A series is before they added proper encryption/signing I think |
| 20:29.55 | mnemoc | nice |
| 20:31.31 | Turl | HD DTV ftw :D |
| 20:33.41 | mnemoc | here there are only a handfull HD DVB-T channels |
| 20:34.56 | mnemoc | but the .es/.fr match is in an open HD channel ;-) |
| 20:35.33 | Turl | we use ISDB-Tb here |
| 20:36.37 | Turl | and yeah, not that many are HD |
| 20:36.59 | Turl | SD doesn't look bad at all though |
| 20:37.13 | Turl | esp. if you compare it with traditional nondigital air tv :) |
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| 20:37.33 | Turl | 576i for SD |
| 20:40.36 | Turl | just noticed it's the same quality as DVDs |
| 20:40.37 | mnemoc | 1080i here ;-) |
| 20:40.45 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah HD channels are 1080i :) |
| 20:45.00 | mnemoc | doh, didn't notice you said SD |
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| 20:46.34 | zenitraM | HD bitrate here sucks though |
| 20:49.32 | Mazon | j1nx, oval looks nice! - still needs ac3 tho ... but getting there |
| 20:49.52 | Mazon | love the fact that they explictely write about esd protection :) |
| 20:53.35 | Mazon | oval elephant = US based ? |
| 21:00.10 | mnemoc | seems so, they talk about USPS in the page about deliveries |
| 21:00.25 | mnemoc | but I really doubt they are build there |
| 21:00.42 | Mazon | true |
| 21:00.51 | Mazon | just interested in their shipping from |
| 21:00.55 | Mazon | due to taxes |
| 21:01.19 | Mazon | so annoyed by lack of EU based, except those that charge a premium |
| 21:02.02 | j1nx | Guys, an A13 is basically an A10 without HDMI right? |
| 21:02.09 | Mazon | yes |
| 21:02.11 | Mazon | afaik |
| 21:02.26 | j1nx | both sun4i right |
| 21:02.37 | Mazon | I seem to recall an A12 too, but not really sold |
| 21:03.27 | mnemoc | A12/A13 is sun5i |
| 21:04.01 | mnemoc | lacks of sata, ethernet and accelerated 2d |
| 21:04.10 | j1nx | I can get an A13 to play around with for development |
| 21:04.25 | j1nx | but if acc 2D is not there then I might pass |
| 21:04.46 | j1nx | Want to prt the active plasma interface to the allwinner tablets |
| 21:04.46 | mnemoc | it has the same mali as A10 |
| 21:05.55 | mnemoc | j1nx: we have a wip branch with sun5i stuff that needs review and been merged |
| 21:06.35 | j1nx | I understand, but a tablet is not the easiest dev platform |
| 21:06.49 | j1nx | was hoping to work on the mele and test on the tablet |
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| 21:10.19 | j1nx | If sun5i has the mali, why is there no 2D acc.? |
| 21:10.24 | mnemoc | i wish to merge most of the sun?i drivers and mach- in unified sunxi stuff |
| 21:10.42 | mnemoc | A10 has a separated unit dedicated to 2d acceleration |
| 21:10.53 | j1nx | serious? |
| 21:10.57 | mnemoc | yes |
| 21:11.04 | mnemoc | the g2d driver |
| 21:11.07 | j1nx | huh! |
| 21:11.14 | mnemoc | does it's own mappings |
| 21:11.36 | j1nx | OK, will have to see then if active plasma can be rendered by 3D |
| 21:11.47 | mnemoc | yes |
| 21:12.15 | j1nx | otherwise it is a no go, even if it is donated |
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| 21:16.06 | mnemoc | i'm eager to get a13 and a10 olinuxinos |
| 21:19.01 | Mazon | mnemoc: we all are :) |
| 21:19.10 | j1nx | Yes, but got contacted by a tablet supplier who is willing to donate an Allwinner tablet (A13) so I can have a look at porting active-plasma. That is a lot faster then the olinuxinos |
| 21:19.34 | mnemoc | j1nx: as him to solder an uart |
| 21:19.49 | j1nx | It is then basically mine, so ..... |
| 21:20.16 | mnemoc | having an uart separated than the uSD you can use it for dev |
| 21:20.39 | j1nx | if I can find it, I will. Indeed t have a nice A13 dev board |
| 21:23.39 | mnemoc | j1nx: maybe the supplier can get you the info |
| 21:40.18 | hno | RaYmAn, do Allwinner official bootloaders with Allwinner kernel only show 512MB on MK802? That would be odd.. |
| 21:40.39 | RaYmAn | hno: no, android nand one show 1gb |
| 21:41.09 | RaYmAn | hno: I'm not really sure where the ubuntu image comes from or what bootloader/kernel source it uses |
| 21:42.00 | RaYmAn | I have to get the courage to try and solder in serial ;) |
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| 21:45.15 | hno | RaYmAn, ubunto SD-Card image uses u-boot-mmc, which do not detect memory configuration at all. ALl hardwired to 512MB currently. |
| 21:45.22 | IEF | hands RaYmAn a pair of balls |
| 21:45.53 | RaYmAn | IEF: meh |
| 21:46.02 | IEF | hno: yes, so how would I go about changing that? |
| 21:46.24 | IEF | I'm wondering.. could I just make the kernel ignore whatever u-boot tells it for memory size? |
| 21:46.27 | RaYmAn | IEF: there is an issue on the u-boot github |
| 21:46.42 | hno | IEF, there is an open u-boot bug report on that. |
| 21:47.04 | RaYmAn | IEF: and hey, you have serial, gogo make it work :> |
| 21:47.46 | hno | will fix u-boot once I have a dram initialization that works for FEL. |
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| 21:48.25 | hno | need to reshuffle things a little in u-boot for parameterized memory configuraiton to fit proper. |
| 21:49.06 | IEF | RaYmAn: hey, you know how to do serial, gogo make it work. |
| 21:49.13 | IEF | :p |
| 21:49.20 | IEF | right so |
| 21:49.21 | RaYmAn | IEF: :/ I lack skills, tools and courage :P |
| 21:49.30 | IEF | I don't think I can change u-boot |
| 21:49.31 | hno | RaYmAn, you are looking into adding serial console on MK802? Have you probed to verify there is serial? (no soldering required to probe for one) |
| 21:49.34 | IEF | come to think of it. |
| 21:49.40 | hno | IEF, why not? |
| 21:49.56 | IEF | hno: I *have* serial on MK802. |
| 21:50.02 | IEF | that is what I'm talking about |
| 21:50.10 | hno | IEF, oh! |
| 21:50.13 | IEF | :) |
| 21:50.22 | RaYmAn | hno: no, IEF did that for me :P |
| 21:50.27 | IEF | :p |
| 21:50.38 | IEF | it only took a few drinks to start soldering away. |
| 21:50.39 | hno | IEF, please add a wiki page detailing which pads is serial please, if you haven't already. |
| 21:50.57 | IEF | a wiki page where, exactly? |
| 21:51.23 | IEF | it is, however, only output for now. |
| 21:51.33 | IEF | as I failed to find RX / make it work just yet. |
| 21:51.50 | mnemoc | a hacking the mk802 page inside allwiner_a10 would fit |
| 21:51.53 | hno | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ |
| 21:52.47 | Turl | anyone else with the realtek 8192cu chip on their a10s? |
| 21:52.52 | IEF | yes |
| 21:52.54 | RaYmAn | Turl: mk802 =P |
| 21:53.11 | Turl | is it really this crappy? mine dies and disconnects randomly |
| 21:53.23 | Turl | looks like hardware gets stuck or fails or something |
| 21:53.39 | IEF | works just fine here |
| 21:53.40 | hno | Turl, no idea. Haven't used wifi or even LAN on mine much.. |
| 21:53.44 | Turl | rmmod takes ages, pretty much it's hung until it times out and gets pulled off the plug |
| 21:53.53 | IEF | quite stable, really |
| 21:54.10 | Turl | and I tried both the sun4i driver and the one on the 5i branch |
| 21:54.29 | Turl | IEF: what's your AP chipset and security? |
| 21:54.34 | mnemoc | i tought you were using the mainlined one |
| 21:54.39 | mnemoc | thought* |
| 21:54.47 | Turl | mnemoc: used it for like 10 minutes |
| 21:54.59 | Turl | mnemoc: it doesn't have any decent suspend/resume support |
| 21:55.05 | mnemoc | doh |
| 21:55.35 | Turl | suspend just disconnects the wifi chip :P and you instantly become offline |
| 21:55.48 | Turl | and resume doesn't bring it back online even |
| 21:55.59 | IEF | Turl: Atheros chipset, WPA2-PSK |
| 21:56.00 | Turl | it's not meant for android |
| 21:56.04 | hno | And rIght.. mine has 8188CUS. Not 8192CU. |
| 21:56.16 | Turl | hno: what's the S? |
| 21:56.40 | mnemoc | the letter between R and T |
| 21:56.48 | Turl | mnemoc: ¬¬ |
| 21:56.49 | IEF | lol |
| 21:56.56 | Turl | IEF: I have a AR9132 as router |
| 21:57.10 | rm | Turl, check if the driver had changes past 3.0.x |
| 21:57.13 | Turl | using WPA2-AES |
| 21:57.18 | IEF | mine is AR7161 |
| 21:57.20 | rm | these are very recent, is it not even in staging yet? |
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| 21:57.33 | Turl | rm: the driver is not mainlined |
| 21:57.42 | Turl | rm: the mainlined one is a completely different one |
| 21:57.46 | rm | whoa ok |
| 21:57.49 | rm | did you try that one? |
| 21:57.58 | Turl | yeah, but as I said earlier, it's unsuitable for android |
| 21:58.05 | Turl | IEF: N or G? |
| 21:58.15 | IEF | N. |
| 21:58.23 | IEF | Netgear WNDR3700 |
| 21:58.30 | RaYmAn | Turl: suspend/resume isn't quite as big an issue on a non-battery powered device like mk802 ;) |
| 21:58.31 | IEF | (pretty well-known) |
| 21:58.46 | Turl | RaYmAn: good for you then :) |
| 21:58.56 | IEF | [28859.940187] rtw_set_ps_mode(): Enter 802.11 power save mode... |
| 21:58.56 | IEF | [28859.947287] rtl8192c_dm_RF_Saving(): RF_Normal |
| 21:58.56 | IEF | [28859.951806] rtl8192c_set_FwPwrMode_cmd(): Mode = 1, SmartPS = 2 |
| 21:58.56 | IEF | [28862.460154] rtw_set_ps_mode(): Busy Traffic , Leave 802.11 power save.. |
| 21:58.56 | IEF | [28862.467077] rtl8192c_set_FwPwrMode_cmd(): Mode = 0, SmartPS = 0 |
| 21:59.01 | Turl | RaYmAn: I wrote a quick hacky module to use the mainline driver and 'plug' the chip |
| 21:59.04 | IEF | so yeah. |
| 21:59.11 | rm | so on getting X11 working on the mele, couple of questions |
| 21:59.16 | RaYmAn | Turl: yeah, point was just that the issue might still be there, but we wouldn't notice :) |
| 21:59.30 | rm | 1) should I just install the regular Xorg and the fbdev driver, and that will work out of the box? |
| 22:00.10 | rm | 2) how to change display resolution on hdmi, surely it must be more difficult than making a xorg.conf? :) |
| 22:00.17 | hno | Turl, there is more differences than the S. |
| 22:03.27 | hno | Turl, 8188 is single channel chip. |
| 22:03.58 | RaYmAn | rm: for fbdev? I think it's script.bin change? |
| 22:04.41 | hno | there is also a C program which can change lcd/hdmi settings. |
| 22:04.56 | zenitraM | that C program doesn't alter the framebuffer size |
| 22:05.40 | mnemoc | pick the right ioctl |
| 22:06.27 | mnemoc | but you can change the initial value modifying script.bin |
| 22:07.32 | rm | so as I thought the usual means are helpless to change resolution |
| 22:08.49 | rm | there's a VGA modesetting program at the bottom, http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/04/28/how-to-create-your-own-debian-ubuntu-image-for-mele-a1000-allwinner-a10-based-stb/ |
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| 22:09.26 | rm | where do I find magic numbers for the resolutions other than 1024x768? |
| 22:10.16 | zenitraM | drv_display_sun4i.h |
| 22:10.35 | zenitraM | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/include/linux/drv_display_sun4i.h |
| 22:11.07 | rm | thanks |
| 22:11.11 | rm | yay, chinese comments |
| 22:12.35 | mnemoc | the sample .fex has documentation in english https://raw.github.com/amery/sunxi-bin-archive/master/mele-a1000/sys_config1.evb.fex |
| 22:12.57 | rm | hno, where would I find that C program (I assume it's more advanced than what I linked)? |
| 22:13.27 | mnemoc | ;screenx_output_mode (used for tv/hdmi output, 0:480i 1:576i 2:480p 3:576p 4:720p50 5:720p60 6:1080i50 7:1080i60 8:1080p24 9:1080p50 10:1080p60 11:pal 14:ntsc) |
| 22:13.30 | mnemoc | ;screenx_output_mode (used for vga output, 0:1680*1050 1:1440*900 2:1360*768 3:1280*1024 4:1024*768 5:800*600 6:640*480 10:1920*1080 11:1280*720) |
| 22:13.52 | rm | oh hm okay |
| 22:14.37 | rm | suddenly occured to me it can't do 1680x1050 on HDMI at all |
| 22:15.32 | Turl | wut's that resolution? o.O |
| 22:15.53 | rm | a 20" LG DVI monitor |
| 22:16.08 | Turl | 20" 4:3 or what? :P |
| 22:16.25 | Turl | x1050 is weird on itself |
| 22:16.57 | rm | Computer Monitors›1680 x 1050 About 370 results (0.40 seconds) |
| 22:17.09 | rm | Turl, it's 16x10 |
| 22:17.21 | Turl | weird resolution though :) |
| 22:17.22 | rm | you get lovely black bars when watching 16x9 stuff |
| 22:17.26 | rm | (i.e. everything) |
| 22:21.48 | rm | is there an accelerated 2D Xorg driver? (g2d?) |
| 22:22.57 | RaYmAn | hm, is it possible to select HDMI output mode properly? Like, RGB vs YPbPr or whatever? It seems that's the source of mine (and others) colour problems with hdmi->dvi converters |
| 22:23.11 | mnemoc | rm: nothing uses the 2d unit |
| 22:23.37 | mnemoc | rm: there is only a directfb driver |
| 22:24.07 | mnemoc | probably that's why they removed it |
| 22:24.47 | rm | hm, okay |
| 22:25.20 | rm | so the 2D unit even though using it could've been a simpler approach to create an EXA 2D driver |
| 22:25.26 | rm | is essentially a dead end |
| 22:26.50 | mnemoc | it could be used in A10 |
| 22:26.56 | mnemoc | but not in A13 |
| 22:28.10 | hno | mnemoc, did they remove G2D in A13? |
| 22:28.22 | mnemoc | hipboi said so |
| 22:28.39 | hno | sure they did not only remove the kernel driver as ICS do not use it? |
| 22:28.58 | mnemoc | not sure |
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| 22:57.31 | hno | Hm.. |
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| 23:20.41 | Turl | mnemoc: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/7eddea8e40c261c1d118df7e92278ac34c5bb35e |
| 23:21.33 | technologov | Intel Integrates Wi-Fi into Atom Chips: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsp/intel-integrates-wi-fi-into-atom-chips.html |
| 23:21.54 | technologov | mmmm... very interesting turn of events. Very swift reaction from Intel... |
| 23:27.06 | technologov | Why are RAM and flash not integrated into ARM SoCs ? |
| 23:30.09 | Turl | technologov: prolly because the companies making them aren't the same |
| 23:31.38 | technologov | Samsung prolly can make both CPU+RAM+flash |
| 23:31.56 | technologov | Intel does CPU+flash... and can do RAM, if necessary. |
| 23:32.35 | Turl | intel has flash inside cpu? o.O |
| 23:32.47 | technologov | Intel has flash SSDs. |
| 23:32.53 | technologov | not inside CPU |
| 23:33.11 | Turl | so? :P |
| 23:33.29 | technologov | so maybe it can be combined - all-in-one chip |
| 23:33.34 | Turl | besides it's not cost effective |
| 23:33.40 | technologov | just like ARM SoCs have combined almost everything |
| 23:33.43 | Turl | say your flash is faulty |
| 23:34.05 | Turl | haven't seen any ARM CPU with built in flash |
| 23:34.09 | technologov | so they disable one module of flash (produce 10% extra blocks) |
| 23:34.19 | technologov | just like with L2 cache on CPU |
| 23:34.51 | technologov | ARM socs lack flash and RAM, but have almost everything else on-chip |
| 23:35.42 | technologov | in past CPU and GPU were manufactured on different processes, but now they are mostly unified. |
| 23:35.59 | technologov | (AMD APU, Intel CPUs, ARM...) |
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| 23:40.46 | hno | technologov, low end ARM SoCs do have RAM and FLASH integrated, but nothing you normally run Linux on. |
| 23:42.51 | technologov | I found a Gooseberry, an A10-based dev board similar to R-Pi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SFQc6WnEQFw |
| 23:43.32 | RITRedbeard | Don't go to #raspberrypi you might come back brain damaged |
| 23:44.19 | technologov | nah... this is unlikely. My brain has built-in filter for some ideas, that I will ignore. |
| 23:44.44 | RITRedbeard | they're in denial about shenzen burnin up over A10 |
| 23:46.10 | hno | technologov, it's not an RPi, not more than EOMA64-A10 is. It's a tablet board without tablet. |
| 23:46.11 | technologov | well, the variety of A10-based hardware is very good on Aliexpress. One can find almost everything, except servers. (desktops are Gooseberry and MK802) |
| 23:46.51 | hno | don't forget the mele. |
| 23:46.59 | technologov | (although desktops are kinda limited for now) |
| 23:47.08 | technologov | true.. the Mele A1000 ! |
| 23:47.21 | hno | Only A2000 is sold now. Same thing. |
| 23:48.27 | technologov | The video I posted shows, that the A10 has enough horse-power to drive a full Linux desktop, along with OpenOffice and GIMP ! |
| 23:49.21 | hno | we already know that. |
| 23:49.52 | technologov | The worry: lack of hardware accelerated video stack on Linux. |
| 23:50.05 | RITRedbeard | same problem with any other SoC like Raspberry Pi |
| 23:50.06 | technologov | Every framework for itself. |
| 23:50.09 | RITRedbeard | meh |
| 23:50.53 | technologov | (gstreamer / VLC / xine / libva / ffmpeg /...) |
