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| 00:41.14 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r49e8640daeb9 /allwinner_a10/fedora.mdwn: add fedora, remove duplicate mele_ubuntu_image page |
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| 01:21.59 | lundman | interesting, so I can't boot the original android kernel with my uboot/boota, it does the exact same thing |
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| 02:01.23 | lundman | success, I can finally boot my own android kernel! |
| 02:01.28 | lundman | it panics, but still |
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| 02:50.28 | lundman | ok fixed panic, and I have finally booted ICS4 with my own kernel. long journey |
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| 03:19.13 | lundman | and disappointly, the nic is faster, but playback is not better |
| 03:19.34 | lundman | when nic is transferring the box slows down. doubt I can fix that |
| 03:23.39 | lundman | play 1080p from local, download file from nic = bad stutter. play 1080p from local, copy file from MMC, OK |
| 03:27.22 | lundman | play 1080p from local, copy file from USB, also OK. so it is just the nic |
| 03:27.29 | lundman | which makes me think wifi should work |
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| 04:54.39 | lundman | ok, plugged in Apple USBEthernet dongle, and 1080p playback is smooth. Confirmed that it is the wemac nic/driver that is poor. |
| 05:31.23 | lundman | wrote how to build android kernel on wiki |
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| 06:24.12 | rm | sooo has anyone used that MiniX thing? |
| 06:24.29 | rm | https://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-android-2-3-hd-1080p-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-av-tf-blue-134679 |
| 06:24.41 | lundman | surely they did not call it minix? the same as the first unix |
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| 06:31.29 | rm | pretty sure minix is anything but the first unix |
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| 06:43.37 | rm | 1G MK802 for $66 with 3 days lead time http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/580378598-HKPAM-Free-Shipping-Mini-U-Hos-TV-Dongle-Google-Android4-0-IPTV-TV-Stick-smart-android-wholesalers.html |
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| 07:46.55 | TomNL | rm: thats cheap :) |
| 07:47.07 | TomNL | only 0.11 cents shipping |
| 07:48.35 | rm | and with $5 off it becomes $61 |
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| 07:51.26 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, i heeded your instructions, to most of its words atleast :P with the suggestion of hipboi, i cloned the zareason repo from github and started compiling with it |
| 07:51.52 | gaara_akash | i hit a error during compilation which i'm sure would be easy to solve for you |
| 07:52.51 | gaara_akash | how do i solve the following errror? "make: *** No rule to make target `hardware/libhardware_legacy/../../hardware/realtek/wlan/wifi_realtek.c', needed by `out/target/product/zatab/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libhardware_legacy_intermediates/../../hardware/realtek/wlan/wifi_realtek.o'" |
| 07:53.45 | gaara_akash | i went ahead and commented out the line LOCAL_MODULE:=libhardware_legacy from android.mk file in hardware/libhardware_legacy/Android.mk |
| 07:53.50 | gaara_akash | it threw a different error |
| 07:55.54 | mnemoc | gaara_akash: from a conversation between hipboi and Turl it seems hardware/realtek is missing in the manifest |
| 07:56.37 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, oh, so i have to add the file manually? |
| 07:56.39 | mnemoc | just add it and resync |
| 07:56.43 | mnemoc | yes |
| 07:56.56 | gaara_akash | u mean add in the manifest? |
| 07:57.11 | mnemoc | local_manifest.xml |
| 07:57.25 | mnemoc | to avoid conflicts with upstream |
| 07:57.56 | gaara_akash | the manifest file is to be found inside which directory? |
| 07:58.04 | mnemoc | .repo |
| 07:58.31 | mnemoc | brb |
| 07:58.31 | gaara_akash | so i copy the manifest.xml to local_manifest.xml and change the value there? |
| 07:58.53 | mnemoc | no, local_manifest.xml extends manifest.xml |
| 07:59.05 | gaara_akash | oh, well i dont have any local_manifest :/ |
| 07:59.16 | gaara_akash | ~/ics/.repo$ ls |
| 07:59.16 | gaara_akash | manifests manifests.git manifest.xml project.list projects repo |
| 07:59.30 | mnemoc | create it |
| 07:59.55 | gaara_akash | done... |
| 08:00.07 | mnemoc | back in 20m |
| 08:00.09 | gaara_akash | and any changes in this file will be reflected in the repo i'm already working on? |
| 08:00.11 | gaara_akash | ok |
| 08:00.25 | mnemoc | google for local_manifest.xml |
| 08:00.33 | mnemoc | bbl (for real now) |
| 08:13.29 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, do let me know when you get back :) |
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| 08:16.20 | mnemoc | gaara_akash: got it? |
| 08:17.10 | gaara_akash_ | i searched around for it...figured out how to use it..but i still dunno what line to add to remove the error :) because i dont know where the files are |
| 08:17.56 | mnemoc | /o\ |
| 08:18.27 | gaara_akash_ | mnemoc, i'm sorry, i'm kind of a noob when it comes to building android |
| 08:18.30 | mnemoc | https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_hardware_realtek is the repo |
| 08:18.49 | mnemoc | because from what I understand you cloned allwinner-dev-team's manifest |
| 08:19.15 | gaara_akash_ | here are the commands i executed |
| 08:19.30 | mnemoc | and it goes at hardware/realtek |
| 08:20.09 | mnemoc | it's a dumb xmp file, copy a similar project element from manifest.xml into your local_manifest, and adapter it for hardware/realtek |
| 08:20.14 | mnemoc | then, repo sync |
| 08:20.26 | mnemoc | s/adapter/adapt/ |
| 08:21.18 | mnemoc | btw, i have never finished an android build myself |
| 08:21.26 | gaara_akash_ | :) |
| 08:21.40 | mnemoc | for me it's an OS for using in devices I don't want to hack |
| 08:22.23 | gaara_akash_ | lol me too, but i have the necessity here to actually change something at the os level so i HAVE to install my own version of Android on the android tablet :/ |
| 08:23.26 | gaara_akash_ | mnemoc, given a choice, i would continue using the OS just to build apps, but i have a necessity here :/ |
| 08:24.43 | mnemoc | it's fine. I just meant to say that I can't take your hand to help you cross the street. I can only give you hints |
| 08:25.35 | gaara_akash_ | thats all i need :) |
| 08:26.11 | mnemoc | :) |
| 08:28.00 | lundman | oh well, time to give up, and its friday night |
| 08:29.08 | mnemoc | poor gaara_akash lost his tail |
| 08:29.25 | gaara_akash | :P |
| 08:34.17 | gaara_akash | https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_hardware_realtek i simply cloned that repo into hardware folder :P |
| 08:34.19 | gaara_akash | hopefully it works |
| 08:36.53 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, wohoo, it went past the error :P |
| 08:37.49 | mnemoc | gaara_akash: `repo` doesn't like that, and can destroy it the next time you `repo sync` |
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| 08:39.10 | mnemoc | hno: do you know where is the fel pin/jumper in the a13-olinuxino design? I found the "uboot" pin in the schematics but no clue where it goes |
| 08:41.36 | gaara_akash | <project path="hardware/realtek" name="allwinner-dev-team/android_hardware_realtek realtek" /> is that the line that needs to be added? |
| 08:42.57 | mnemoc | there is garbage at the end of name="" |
| 08:43.25 | mnemoc | you might need to set remote and revision too, but only if not the default |
| 08:43.29 | gaara_akash | <project path="hardware/realtek" name="allwinner-dev-team/android_hardware_realtek" /> is that the line that needs to be added? |
| 08:44.22 | mnemoc | looks like it, but read the previous comment |
| 08:44.37 | mnemoc | need to leave again, ~1h. good luck! |
| 08:44.48 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, thanks |
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| 09:36.19 | mnemoc | gaara_akash: success? |
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| 09:37.45 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, yes kind of |
| 09:37.54 | gaara_akash | the build actually threw a out of memory error |
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| 09:38.14 | gaara_akash | i'm building 4.0.4..so i'm trying to see how to increase the heap size and where the parameters are set |
| 09:38.21 | mnemoc | doh |
| 09:39.40 | gaara_akash | here goes, i just bumped it up again, lets see if it works fine :P |
| 09:41.03 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, wohoo! it went passed the memory error :P |
| 09:41.21 | gaara_akash | i was wondering i got the error, i was actually building it on a 24gb ram server :P |
| 09:41.23 | mnemoc | damn java greed |
| 09:42.04 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, what do you do ? |
| 09:42.36 | mnemoc | I really wish they'll announce native support for other languages (golang maybe) this i/o |
| 09:42.41 | mnemoc | gaara_akash: what do you mean? |
| 09:43.03 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, what do you do professionally? do you build devices? |
| 09:43.21 | mnemoc | my main job is washing cars |
| 09:43.45 | gaara_akash | and ur side job? :) |
| 09:44.44 | mnemoc | currently programming a management (+pos) system in puthon+html5 for a retailer |
| 09:45.58 | gaara_akash | mnemoc, i wouldnt suppose its open source :) |
| 09:45.58 | mnemoc | but side jobs are per-project while the car washing/parking/laundrymat stuff is permanent |
| 09:46.58 | mnemoc | nope, i've had the luck of have an employer/customer accepting to open source what they paid for |
| 09:47.08 | mnemoc | i haven't had* |
| 09:47.13 | gaara_akash | ah |
| 09:47.19 | gaara_akash | i was shocked for a second:) |
| 09:47.34 | mnemoc | hno is a lucky *censored* in that sense |
| 09:47.44 | gaara_akash | coz? |
| 09:47.55 | mnemoc | he only does paid open source stuff |
| 09:48.11 | gaara_akash | wow! awesome! |
| 09:51.36 | mnemoc | in my case even inside the company developers are not allowed to know "the whole picture" |
| 09:52.49 | mnemoc | sucks big time |
| 09:53.57 | gaara_akash | i guess what would be good is to create an open source version of whatever is being done with obviously lesser capabilties :) |
| 09:54.43 | mnemoc | I would need 50h days :p |
| 09:56.33 | mnemoc | i prefer to keep my open source goals away from work |
| 09:56.43 | mnemoc | helps to keep the sanity too |
| 09:57.45 | mnemoc | more like... a hobbie, and done during breaks (instead of watching "lol catz" style stuff) |
| 09:58.09 | gaara_akash | :) |
| 09:58.24 | gaara_akash | hipboi, are you online? |
| 10:42.08 | zenitraM | wtf the "word" USB has been added to the spanish dictionary |
| 10:42.12 | zenitraM | http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=USB |
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| 10:49.28 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Cyriaque master * r4440fb7ca12f /allwinner_a10/orders/cisoun.mdwn: |
| 10:50.21 | specing | zenitraM: took them long enaugh |
| 10:51.08 | specing | < mnemoc> my main job is washing cars |
| 10:51.10 | specing | WTF?!?! |
| 11:08.02 | mnemoc | ? |
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| 11:35.19 | mnemoc | specing: I park trucks and wash clothes too ;-) |
| 11:46.17 | specing | :O |
| 12:15.29 | zenitraM | lol |
| 12:15.32 | zenitraM | on the mele firmware changelog: |
| 12:15.35 | zenitraM | "Removed DTS audio codec due to license issue." |
| 12:15.40 | zenitraM | i didn't expect that |
| 12:26.14 | lundman | finally tried mele on tv at home, wifi is better and will do |
| 12:26.21 | lundman | but nearly nothing I watch has sound |
| 12:27.26 | Mazon | -.- |
| 12:27.35 | lundman | not all was DTS :) |
| 12:27.47 | Mazon | you actually go through removing sound? - usually people just turn the volume down ;) |
| 12:29.23 | lundman | nah, its just doesnt work right :) |
| 12:33.28 | Mazon | can't dts/ac3 just be decoded using software ? |
| 12:37.02 | lundman | its certainly cant.. doesnt seem to send bitstreams to tv either, since it too can do it |
| 12:41.47 | lundman | er, it, being mele, isn't doing it :) |
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| 14:26.56 | specing | Hmm, the chip seems hot even after running at 60MHz for an hour |
| 14:27.01 | specing | (A10) |
| 14:30.58 | Turl | specing: run at 1.2Ghz for an hour >:D |
| 14:31.12 | Turl | (j/k of course) |
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| 14:34.31 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Jean-Luc_Aufranc master * r1b61627eaf24 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: Added Link to Ubuntu 12.04 Server image |
| 14:55.05 | mikey_w | http://liliputing.com/2012/06/gooseberry-developer-boards-40-alternative-raspberry-pi.html |
| 14:56.23 | mnemoc | mikey_w: isn't that like.... a whole week old? |
| 14:58.18 | mikey_w | Beats me. I just saw it. |
| 14:58.31 | rm | does not look all that great |
| 14:58.45 | mikey_w | not compared to the mele. |
| 14:58.47 | rm | only thing over mk802, is "a headphone jack" |
| 15:00.20 | rm | > And unlike the MK802, the Gooseberry has a power button |
| 15:00.23 | rm | "yay" |
| 15:00.47 | rm | where's this guy |
| 15:00.55 | rm | why is he not on irc |
| 15:04.46 | hp_ | rm: got your mk802 yet? :) |
| 15:05.32 | rm | yes |
| 15:05.51 | rm | the one ordered in may |
| 15:06.10 | rm | the second one, tomtop got stock, listed it at $10 more, and keeps silent |
| 15:06.25 | rm | wonder if they're going to honour the old price and actually ship one to me |
| 15:06.49 | hp_ | dunno tomtop |
| 15:07.50 | hp_ | there was this other seller selling them for $69.90 |
| 15:08.06 | Mazon | the with all the fuss about allwinner not having kernel source - does the marvell code drop (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/167744) change anything wrt using marvell SoC? |
| 15:08.07 | rm | I found for $66 today |
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| 15:08.44 | hp_ | rm: not to bad :) |
| 15:08.49 | hp_ | is it real? |
| 15:09.01 | rm | seems to be |
| 15:09.35 | rm | rm [06:43:37] 1G MK802 for $66 with 3 days lead time http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/580378598-HKPAM-Free-Shipping-Mini-U-Hos-TV-Dongle-Google-Android4-0-IPTV-TV-Stick-smart-android-wholesalers.html |
| 15:10.37 | _vaevictus | 1G ram? |
| 15:12.02 | mnemoc | wow, you are really obsessed with that overpriced dongle :p |
| 15:12.30 | Mazon | fwiw, it does fit behind a tv screen |
| 15:12.54 | Mazon | I'm still not liking any of them due to the missinc dts/ac3 - at least as a media player |
| 15:13.08 | hp_ | mnemoc: its cool :) |
| 15:13.12 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:13.14 | rm | pft |
| 15:13.22 | rm | are you going to use android |
| 15:13.36 | rm | missing dts wah wah wah :) |
| 15:14.23 | mnemoc | as long as it does pcm I'm happy :( |
| 15:14.25 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 15:20.56 | hp_ | pcm? |
| 15:21.13 | Mazon | raw basically |
| 15:26.07 | rm | does the cnx-software website fail to load ocassionally for anyone else? |
| 15:26.18 | hp_ | nope |
| 15:34.29 | mnemoc | http://blog.mecheye.net/2012/06/the-linux-graphics-stack/ <-- loooooooooooooong |
| 15:34.55 | mnemoc | but worth reading |
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| 18:04.10 | gaara_akash | while zareason's your github repo, i get the following error: make *** No rule to make target 'vendor/allwinner/zatab/proprietary/lib/libMali.so' needed by 'out/target/product/zatab/obj/lib/libMali.so' |
| 18:04.18 | gaara_akash | any clue on how to solve it? |
| 18:10.05 | DonkeyHotei | you probably have do download a binary separately and drop it in |
| 18:10.12 | DonkeyHotei | oops |
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| 18:55.10 | steev | DonkeyHotei: yeah he needs to run some sh file in the zatab device folder (if he comes back) |
| 18:55.15 | steev | it will pull the files off the tablet |
| 19:05.18 | mnemoc | the files are stored in allwinner/common/prebuilt iirc |
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| 19:50.13 | GriffenJBS | Has anyone seen something like a raspi or gooseberry but with serious IO? |
| 19:50.56 | GriffenJBS | I'd like to see an ARM with gigabit ethernet for a bus |
| 19:52.08 | xenoxaos | how much video performance? |
| 19:53.07 | mnemoc | imx6 has gigabit ethernet iirc |
| 19:54.52 | GriffenJBS | none needed, I'm looking to link them as a compute cluster, GPGPU could help |
| 19:56.54 | GriffenJBS | most boards I see are meant to be used as a single stand alone system, I'm looking more as a headless unit, with remote storage |
| 19:57.17 | Mazon | GriffenJBS, cubox |
| 19:57.31 | Mazon | gigabit, esata + usb |
| 19:57.54 | Mazon | GriffenJBS, http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox/ |
| 19:58.42 | GriffenJBS | thanks but the markup is too high per unit for what I'm looking |
| 19:59.18 | GriffenJBS | so many chips are 5-7 USD hard to justify 95 USD of "packaging" |
| 19:59.43 | mnemoc | what cortex-a9 is 5-7 USD? |
| 20:00.55 | GriffenJBS | I'm quoting for A8 |
| 20:01.15 | Mazon | you need to buy 100.000 units for less than 10$ per cpu |
| 20:01.43 | Mazon | the 15$ you see for the eoma-68 is BOM |
| 20:02.00 | Mazon | and that doesn't even have the connectors that cubox or even mele has |
| 20:02.25 | Mazon | IMO, you are pretty unrealistic |
| 20:03.01 | GriffenJBS | I can get 12 USD for singles |
| 20:03.18 | GriffenJBS | 7 USD for 10's |
| 20:05.11 | GriffenJBS | Mazon: if the raspi is $35 and I'm looking for less, I think $100 is too high |
| 20:05.24 | Mazon | raspi is a completely different beast |
| 20:05.34 | Mazon | gooseberry is more comparable |
| 20:05.41 | GriffenJBS | something as simple as Allwinter A10 with it's power chip and PHY on a PCB |
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| 20:06.12 | GriffenJBS | Mazon, even gooseberry has way more than I'm looking for |
| 20:06.27 | Mazon | check some of olimex's offering then |
| 20:06.33 | Mazon | depends on how much cpu you need |
| 20:07.45 | GriffenJBS | basically I'm looking for a networked processor, a basic, and I know slow, form of homogeneous computing |
| 20:08.37 | GriffenJBS | sadly so much goes between a GPU and the PHY |
| 20:08.46 | mnemoc | GriffenJBS: Tom can probably help you get some custom A10-based boards made in china |
| 20:09.00 | GriffenJBS | Tom? |
| 20:09.07 | Mazon | Tom cubie |
| 20:09.16 | Mazon | aka hipboi |
| 20:09.24 | GriffenJBS | any relation to cubox? |
| 20:09.36 | Mazon | nope |
| 20:09.39 | mnemoc | nope, allwinner engineer |
| 20:10.14 | GriffenJBS | I see |
| 20:10.21 | Mazon | depending on where you are located, olimex could also be an option |
| 20:10.21 | mnemoc | but he is making some custom boards for himself |
| 20:10.57 | GriffenJBS | I'm sure someone else has something cheap like I'm talking about, but I need to find it |
| 20:11.10 | rm | unless this is some proof of concept, do you understand this will be woefully less efficient than just some amd64's? |
| 20:11.56 | rm | not to mention nothing even close to GPGPU for any of the ARM-builtin GPUs |
| 20:12.09 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: so, letter arrived. With an sdcard-sized hole in one sized and otherwise empty :( |
| 20:12.20 | Mazon | do you need cortex a8+ or is m3/m4 enough? |
| 20:12.28 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: what?! |
| 20:12.51 | mnemoc | it was a CF box |
| 20:13.00 | RaYmAn | sorry, CF-box sized hole :/ |
| 20:13.29 | mnemoc | O_O |
| 20:14.20 | Mazon | http://www.olimex.com/dev/imx233-olinuxino-micro.html = 16 <-- add usb ethernet |
| 20:16.31 | rm | 64 MB of RAM |
| 20:16.45 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: damn unlucky :( Must have fallen out somewhere between .es and .dk :( |
| 20:16.50 | Mazon | thats HUGE for embedded ;) |
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| 20:23.57 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: :( |
| 20:24.21 | RaYmAn | looks for complaint form on danish post service |
| 20:25.31 | RaYmAn | hipboi: sooo, I hear rumors you might be willing to sell a microsd debug breakout board thingy? :( My primary option (e.g. mnemoc ) disappeared in shipping :( |
| 20:27.03 | mnemoc | send him a message on aliexpress, or mail, he never comes on weekends |
| 20:27.13 | RaYmAn | ah |
| 20:27.30 | RaYmAn | do you have either on hand? :P |
| 20:27.53 | RaYmAn | It's pretty damn annoying - I was really hoping to play with this stuff this weekend |
| 20:28.02 | mnemoc | mr.hipbox gmail |
| 20:28.30 | RaYmAn | ty |
| 20:28.42 | mnemoc | err... mr.hipboi |
| 20:28.51 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 20:29.36 | Mazon | RaYmAn: you bought a mele unit ? |
| 20:29.44 | RaYmAn | Mazon: no, MK802 |
| 20:29.55 | Mazon | k, did you get caught by postdk ? |
| 20:30.04 | mnemoc | the mele has a real uart, no need for break out boards |
| 20:31.59 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/527673076-A10-tablet-macro-sd-breakout-card-debug-cable-wholesalers.html |
| 20:32.30 | RaYmAn | Mazon: nah, this was a microsd sniffer board in a CF box from mnemoc. It seems to have been pushed out of the envelope :/ |
| 20:32.37 | rm | macroSD! |
| 20:32.45 | rm | 5.25" sized cards |
| 20:32.51 | Mazon | RaYmAn: well, when you bought the mk802? |
| 20:33.23 | RaYmAn | Mazon: that arrived fine with no issues with postdk =P |
| 20:33.28 | RaYmAn | Mazon: ordered from miniand.com |
| 20:33.30 | Mazon | bastard |
| 20:33.36 | mnemoc | depressed.... I thought the CF box was enough protection.... should have used a thicker envelope |
| 20:34.23 | RaYmAn | yeah, you and me both |
| 20:35.08 | RaYmAn | Mazon: they declared it as sample, lol |
| 20:35.35 | Mazon | so just the 105$? |
| 20:35.45 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 20:35.48 | Mazon | err 95$ or whatever |
| 20:35.57 | RaYmAn | 95 + 14$ shipping |
| 20:36.00 | mnemoc | more than a mele??! |
| 20:36.17 | RaYmAn | I mainly bought it for a) the size b) 1gb ram |
| 20:36.33 | Mazon | yeah, mele with 1GB ram would be awesome |
| 20:36.49 | Mazon | well, that and dual core |
| 20:36.56 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 20:37.02 | Mazon | but that's probably in half a year or so |
| 20:37.23 | RaYmAn | I did see some dualcore chinese SoC tablet's around actually |
| 20:37.25 | Mazon | so depressing that imx6 is taking so long (and omap5) |
| 20:37.28 | RaYmAn | so not impossible |
| 20:37.33 | Mazon | yeah, amlogix |
| 20:37.36 | Mazon | yeah, amlogic |
| 20:37.37 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 20:37.59 | mnemoc | rockchip, amlogic and telechip all have cortex-a9 products |
| 20:38.15 | traeak | lkluke mentioned this chip under development that i speculate is mips based |
| 20:38.19 | mnemoc | but i haven't seen code |
| 20:39.00 | Mazon | I seem to recall it being 65nm or something like that - so couldn't go as high frequency wise |
| 20:39.02 | libv | i think the amlogic one has a dual fragment shader mali-400 too |
| 20:39.11 | mnemoc | my loongson 2f laptop was an awful disapointment |
| 20:39.25 | libv | sounds like a half-arsed exynos competitor |
| 20:39.48 | Mazon | ah, amlogic is down to 40nm now |
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| 21:30.32 | rm | mnemoc, you must have expected too much from it :) |
| 21:34.23 | mnemoc | my 10" Gdium is heavier than my thinkpad, slower than the my s3c2410 netbook that started this channel, and the battery lasts less than on my 15" intel toshiba |
| 21:37.53 | mnemoc | I expected more from the unit and FAR more from mandriva and emtec |
| 21:37.54 | traeak | gdium ? |
| 21:38.16 | mnemoc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gdium |
| 21:38.20 | mnemoc | a broken dream |
| 21:38.44 | traeak | ahh |
| 21:38.47 | traeak | now i remember |
| 21:38.48 | traeak | sad no pics |
| 21:38.49 | traeak | anyways |
| 21:39.58 | traeak | i want these guys to start selling their cpus: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm/3385 |
| 21:40.07 | mnemoc | http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/emtec-gdium-liberty-1000.aspx?page=3 <--- this has a gallery |
| 21:41.11 | traeak | camping out on outlet.lenovo.com will get you a dramaticall better value than these |
| 21:41.12 | traeak | hmm |
| 21:42.18 | mnemoc | the gdium was sold in the winter 2008-2009, prices and capabilities have changed dramatically since then |
| 21:43.17 | traeak | i'm sure |
| 21:43.28 | traeak | i do now remeber that..the lame dongle that plugged into the bottom front |
| 21:43.45 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:46.14 | mnemoc | the lamest part was that all other USB ports and the SD slot had precedence, so the default root=/dev/sda1 had strong chances of failing |
| 21:46.15 | traeak | meeting day this morning and a data shuffling day |
| 21:46.16 | traeak | fun fun |
| 21:46.41 | traeak | that's where the fun UUID stuff comes in |
| 21:47.04 | mnemoc | i don't remember if 2.6.26 supported root=UUID without initrd |
| 21:51.03 | mnemoc | and at the end mandriva decided to trash all the unreleased sources when emtec killed the project |
| 21:59.29 | rm | Gdium: http://groups.google.com/group/loongson-dev/tree/browse_frm/month/2012-03/090f959e8011058c?rnum=11&_done=%2Fgroup%2Floongson-dev%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2012-03%3F |
| 21:59.53 | rm | there's an attempt to revive/freshen up the gdium-specific stuff |
| 22:02.16 | rm | Yeeloong is much more common |
| 22:02.28 | rm | so Gdium is like a niche within a niche |
| 22:03.28 | mnemoc | loongson-dev's trac still points to some patches I used to host in geeks.cl years ago.... they don't care at all about the gdium |
| 22:04.52 | mnemoc | but I don't blame them at all |
| 22:06.24 | DonkeyHotei | free hardware is ALWAYS a bad business model |
| 22:06.34 | DonkeyHotei | free as in gratis, that is |
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| 22:07.20 | mnemoc | the gdium wasn't free in any sense |
| 22:07.55 | rm | DonkeyHotei, neither gdium nor yeeloong are free as in gratis |
| 22:08.31 | DonkeyHotei | the gdium website offers gratis hardware |
| 22:08.54 | DonkeyHotei | OLPH |
| 22:09.03 | mnemoc | they offered *discounted* hardware to free software poeple |
| 22:09.17 | mnemoc | 250E + VAT + shipping |
| 22:09.31 | mnemoc | that's how I got mine |
| 22:09.33 | DonkeyHotei | i didn't see that anywhere |
| 22:09.42 | rm | many vendors have developer sponsorship programs |
| 22:09.52 | rm | that has nothing to do with the business model of the actual product |
| 22:10.09 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: I can scan my OLPH sample invoice if you want ;-) |
| 22:10.29 | rm | 250E + VAT + shipping <- ripoff |
| 22:10.35 | DonkeyHotei | i believe you, just saying i had no way to know that from the website |
| 22:10.51 | DonkeyHotei | rm: 350 without the discount |
| 22:11.00 | mnemoc | they only retailed units in belgium, and then some left overs in amazon after they canceled the project |
| 22:11.21 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: it was planned for 500E initially |
| 22:11.28 | rm | http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/801318/200696679-284840643/Yeeloong-Notebook-computer-8089D-white-Linux-.html |
| 22:11.30 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: dropped to 350 after canceled |
| 22:11.40 | DonkeyHotei | neither the website nor wikipedia say it's canceled |
| 22:11.55 | mnemoc | and by then no one was selling loongson devices outside china |
| 22:12.42 | DonkeyHotei | €500 for a netbook could never have been viable, regardless of anything else |
| 22:13.40 | traeak | 3 cell lovely |
| 22:16.35 | ssvb | does yeeloong have a (noisy) fan? |
| 22:17.32 | rm | yeah |
| 22:17.48 | rm | it can be tuned to stay mostly off |
| 22:18.27 | rm | depending on your ambient temperature, CPU load, and bravery to go upwards from 60...65C |
| 22:18.54 | ssvb | well, it's a total deal breaker then :) |
| 22:20.22 | mnemoc | iirc the fuloong (settop) was fanless |
| 22:20.27 | rm | no |
| 22:20.29 | rm | it has a fan too |
| 22:20.43 | mnemoc | :( |
| 22:20.51 | rm | but there it's even worse |
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| 22:20.59 | rm | no fan control logic |
| 22:21.04 | rm | no temperature sensors |
| 22:21.21 | mnemoc | :o |
| 22:22.29 | traeak | guess i'll have to fiddle with getting 'x' working (again) |
| 22:22.30 | traeak | ugh |
| 22:45.45 | traeak | ahh yes swap the module order again |
| 22:51.23 | traeak | i know, more fun stuff for the wiki |
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| 22:54.01 | lundman | is there an audio solution for mele? |
| 22:54.26 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Brian master * r09473a8b44e3 /allwinner_a10/Compile_X11_driver_for_A10.mdwn: |
| 22:54.58 | mnemoc | the a2000 I have on my living room plays music almost all day long... |
| 22:55.14 | traeak | i should be using preview more often |
| 22:55.17 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Brian master * re1160f07b2a8 /allwinner_a10/Compile_X11_driver_for_A10.mdwn: |
| 22:55.21 | traeak | mnemoc: you ,kept 'droid on it? |
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| 22:56.08 | mnemoc | but i don't play movies |
| 22:57.16 | traeak | gotcha...now that i have my meleback on an hdmi screen i shoudl check it |
| 22:57.18 | lundman | I'll keep fighting it |
| 22:57.19 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Brian master * r39f8db7b88c0 /allwinner_a10/Compile_X11_driver_for_A10.mdwn: |
| 22:57.34 | traeak | right now running the mali xorg i have overscane and 720p only |
| 22:57.41 | traeak | probably some firmware initialization junk i would gather |
| 22:58.40 | libv | pfff, display work is needed |
| 22:58.50 | libv | if the modules need to loaded in the right order... pfff |
| 22:59.29 | traeak | that's the least of the problems |
| 22:59.36 | traeak | but hey, over 100fps for glxgears |
| 22:59.37 | traeak | hhe |
| 22:59.55 | libv | oh, i should actually code up a glxgears for limare :) |
| 22:59.59 | mnemoc | sorry my ignorance, but is that good or bad? |
| 23:01.37 | traeak | i really don't know honestly |
| 23:02.00 | traeak | ugh, have to go figure out how to englishize the android |
| 23:02.08 | libv | traeak: what does glxinfo tell you? |
| 23:02.36 | libv | could it be that the cortex a8 is doing most of the work? |
| 23:03.33 | traeak | that i don't know... |
| 23:03.44 | traeak | should try to bring it up again with uust the fbdev |
| 23:03.46 | traeak | but i have to run |
| 23:03.47 | traeak | laterz |
| 23:04.01 | libv | glxinfo will tell you that, when you are running glxgears, you should also be able to quickly run glxinfo |
| 23:08.31 | mnemoc | traeak: in ICS the menu has an [A...] icon, then the first option |
| 23:08.53 | mnemoc | traeak: in 2.3 it's inside the gear |
| 23:09.51 | mnemoc | good night |
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