IRC log for #arm-netbook on 20120621

00:07.05hnomnemoc, Eva have officially stated that the SDK is not under NDA restrictions. But at the same time not easily accessible unless you have NDA.
00:07.57lundmanso, if it were to leak, we'd be ok
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00:13.54hnolundman, kind of.. but there is some doubt. In latest A13 SDK arch/arm/sun5i/ is just a binary blob.
00:14.52hno"you are not supposed to touch that"
00:15.19hnoand we do spend quite a bit of time in arch/arm/sun4i/ ...
00:15.55libvis a binary blob allowed to be there?
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00:16.04hnono, but that blob a later headache.
00:16.09libvright
00:17.58lundmanwonder what makes them scared of sources.. bad programmers?
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00:18.29hnohopefully the sources we do have is in acceptable shape. Anyone with an A13 device is welcome to try, but A13 is not very developer friently due to lack of separate UART pins.
00:19.30hnolundman, who knows. It's a different world with no understanding that someone would want to use another kernel than theirs.
00:20.06hnoall focused on specific Android releases and their matching kernel. Linux do not really exists.
00:21.15hnoactually the small Linux build we have in the A10 SDK is not even available in the A13 SDK. Only Android + Android kernel.
00:24.24lundmanok, time to flash my new android kernel
00:27.43lundmandang, flash_image gives error
00:29.11lundmanI'll just dd it
00:31.33lundmandang
00:31.41lundmanStarting kernel ...
00:31.49lundmanboo, guess I can't build my own kernel after all
00:51.26hipboiwhy A13 lack of separate uart pin
00:54.05lundmanamusing, recovery boot does some messing around, then tries to start my kernel
00:54.13lundmannot much of a recovery
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01:41.16CIA-121rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rf7381dc25c4b /allwinner_a10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): move x11 page to allwinner_a10 directory, it is not mele specific
01:41.22CIA-121rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r5e06a660b182 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (3 files): order processing cleanup
01:45.54CIA-121rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r6fcee40703b8 /allwinner_a10/Compile_X11_driver_for_A10.mdwn:
01:54.18CIA-121rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r3f077219c786 /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus
01:54.28CIA-121rhombus-tech: lkcl master * ra6469960a92c /allwinner_a10/source_code.mdwn: add extra headings
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02:35.32lundmanodd, if I build 3.0.31+ kernel with sun4i_nand in it, nand fails. Build it as module, and it works
02:44.02lundmanwell, with that, android rescued again
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03:51.08rmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkR6_7cw4p8     MK802 Android 4.0 Mini PC AllWinner A10 HDMI Stick Factory Tour
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04:25.10rmProcessing Time:    Ships out within 25 days  @ http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/810525/211536243-580097072/Rikomagic-MK802-1GB-DDR-Mini-PC-Mini-Android4-0-dongle-android-IPTV-google-tv-smart-android.html
04:25.12rmO.o
04:25.40rmmaybe tomtop wasn't lying about no stock of these
04:26.17rmholyshit they spray paint each case by hand
04:26.41rmfinally got to the video
04:28.19rzklol
04:31.33mikey_wI just purchased a sata hard drie for my mele.  I am running ICS.  It is not being seen?
04:32.27mikey_wWhat do I have to do to get the sata drive mounted?
04:41.32lundmanmine works, but I guess I pre-formatted it
04:50.16mikey_wMine is straight of of the box.  Even with a unknown file system it should be seen I think.
04:50.42mikey_wWhat /dev is it assigned?
04:50.45lundmandoes android have a way to format media?
04:51.16rmyes, I remember formatting SD cards there
04:51.32mikey_wI have a terminal with root.
04:51.43lundman/dev/block/ ?
04:51.57mikey_wIt's just not being seen so I can't format it.
04:51.59lundmanyou can't plug it in after reboot though, its not hotswap
04:52.46mikey_wI did "ls /dev/" but don't see a likely entry for the drive?
04:53.46rmno /dev/sd* ?
04:53.59lundmanmore like to be in /dev/block/
04:54.17lundmandamnit, the u-boot we have does not have "boota" in it
05:02.19lundmanhno: did you not merge the MMC and Android u-boot branches?
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05:25.02mikey_wIt was in /dev/block and I formatted it with ICS as ext2.  It doesn't see the entire 320GB.
05:25.24mikey_wIt's a start.
05:25.46mikey_wNite for now.
05:28.56lundmanI didn7t lie
05:32.05lundmanok, merged boota into my uboot
05:44.16mikey_wIt says the sata drive is only 2 GB, not 320 GB?
05:44.36mikey_wSucks.
05:44.45lundmanext2 max. use ext4
05:45.08mikey_wno mkfs.ext4 in busybox.
05:45.25lundmanformat it in a regular machien
05:45.39mikey_wor ext3.
05:46.02mikey_wI'll do that tomorrow.  Sleep for now.
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06:50.11TomNLhiphoi: did you get opengles running in the end?
06:51.08TomNL*hipboi
06:51.20hipboihi
06:51.23hipboino
06:51.45hipboinot sure where is wrong
06:54.09TomNLok :)
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07:39.30RITRedbeard_Erm, Motorola Atrix Lapdock has HDMI male, ya?
07:39.44RITRedbeard_so needs gender converter or flipped cable
07:39.55RITRedbeard_This channel is the most useful and sane I've seen on freenode.
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07:41.58mnemocRITRedbeard_: micro hdmi and micro usb, both male
07:42.46RITRedbeard_ah, I see, I'm just getting it now
07:43.05RITRedbeard_and this thing has a 36 Ah battery? Where? So slim
07:43.16mnemocno idea :)
07:44.10RITRedbeard_Since they went on firesale I can only assume they didn't sell so well... I wonder why?
07:44.20RaYmAnmnemoc: any ideas on "/opt/linuxdata/allwinner/linux-allwinner/drivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c:1100: undefined reference to `ump_dd_secure_id_get'
07:44.34RaYmAnmnemoc: on allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 (checked out last night)
07:44.40mnemocRaYmAn: try enabling mali
07:44.48RaYmAnmnemoc: using the sun4i_crane_defconfig
07:44.48RITRedbeard_although I don't see a point in using Android in a laptop however at the cheaper firesale price, it's pretty good
07:45.21mnemocRaYmAn: the fb driver only got ump dependency yesterday, it's very likely to need some polishing
07:45.35RaYmAnmnemoc: MALI is enabled. does it need DRM_MALI as well?
07:46.16mnemocuhm... try. I'll try to make that dependency optional now
07:46.49RaYmAnmnemoc: sure, that's why I'm using the defconfig ;) Or rather, attempting to use the stuff that's known to work, then remove shit afterwards ;)
07:47.53mnemocRaYmAn: reverting the latest fix for x11/mali locally should give you a known-to-work version
07:48.27mnemoca7d0835bacb7c5abc0cc30b8c32437651c89b24d
07:48.58mnemocrevert that locally, I'll try to fix the fb driver to work without mali drm now
07:50.15RaYmAnsure - it should just be adding a few #ifdef's around the new code. I can do that as well ;) I'm mostly asking because I was expecting it to compile =P
07:50.30mnemoc:)
07:50.33RaYmAnmnemoc: what toolchain do you use?
07:50.46mnemoclinaro's 4.6 on ubuntu
07:51.29RaYmAnI guess that could potentially be an issue as well
07:51.34mnemocbut some people uses 4.7 successfully too
07:51.52mnemocI got the same error you did
07:52.06mnemocdrivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c:1100: undefined reference to `ump_dd_secure_id_get'
07:52.13mnemocdrivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c:761: undefined reference to `ump_dd_handle_create_from_phys_blocks'
07:53.37RaYmAn'k
07:53.58RaYmAnI use arm-eabi-4.4.3 because it's the only compiler version that consistently generates working tegra kernels =P
07:54.20mnemocit should be safe to use that one aswell
07:54.38mnemocallwinner uses codesource's 4.4
07:58.09mnemocI'm actually not sure how to solve the problem. CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=y vs. CONFIG_MALI=m
07:59.08hipboifb and mali should be both m
07:59.24mnemochipboi: also for android?
07:59.40hipboioh, android is a problem
08:00.12RaYmAnDoes fbcon work on these devices btw?
08:00.19mnemocRaYmAn: no
08:01.30mnemochipboi: yup
08:01.36RaYmAndamn, lol
08:02.17mnemocRaYmAn: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/6
08:03.07RaYmAnah
08:03.50mnemochelp there is welcomed aswell ;-)
08:03.59hipboifb driver can be m for android
08:04.15mnemocas well*
08:04.28hipboibecause android need display very early
08:04.30mnemochipboi: yes? their init will modprobe?
08:04.43hipboino
08:04.53hipboishould be add manually in the init.rc
08:05.08hipboiand should be put in the boot.img
08:05.12hipboiin the ramdisk
08:05.17hipboinot the system.img
08:05.33hipboicurrently all other kernel modules are put in system.img
08:06.48hipboiif you pull sun4i.init.rc from a tablet, you can see the modules are inserted after the /system is mounted
08:08.01mnemocnot sure if the android/a10 people will like that :p
08:10.37mnemocQuarx: ping
08:13.16mnemocRaYmAn: btw, are you building android or a linux?
08:13.48lundmanok
08:14.32lundmanI'm going to have to give up on booting my nic fixed kernel, just hope like crazy next offical ICS released has the fixes
08:14.50mnemoclundman: ?
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08:16.14RaYmAnmnemoc: Either - though, I guess linux.
08:16.16mnemochipboi: but android people doesn't need this fix, right?
08:16.23hipboiyes
08:16.33mnemocRaYmAn: in that case use sun4i_defconfig
08:16.52lundmanmnemoc: for some reason my boot.img just dies
08:17.03lundmaneven though uImage boot, but then its not in "android!" mode
08:17.05mnemochipboi: so we could be evil and only enable the ump integration when fb is compiled as module, right?
08:17.15hipboiyes
08:18.15RaYmAnWouldn't it kind of be saner to enable it based on a new config option? :P
08:18.29mnemoc:)
08:19.11mnemocRaYmAn: I'm still low on caffeine :p
08:22.54mnemocRaYmAn: http://dpaste.com/761915/ ?
08:27.01RaYmAnmnemoc: yeah, makes sense
08:27.20mnemocmuch nicer than checking if it's module or not :p
08:27.27RaYmAnyeah, lol
08:27.46RaYmAnside-effects are bad :P
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08:33.44mnemochipboi: around?
08:34.03hipboiyes
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08:34.54mnemoci'm confused, in drivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c you first define a "global" ump_wrapped_buffer and then reference it as extern from Fb_ioctl
08:35.00mnemocshouldn't that just be static?
08:36.34mnemocor it's indeed from the ump driver and the first declaration is wrong?
08:39.22mnemocsmells very extern-ish...
08:39.38mnemocERROR: "ump_wrapped_buffer" [drivers/video/sun4i/disp/disp.ko] undefined!
08:39.40mnemocnope
08:40.49hipboii think the ump_wrapped_buffer should be global
08:41.09hipboii don't know why i use extern in Fb_ioctl
08:41.15mnemochttp://dpaste.com/761919/plain/
08:42.44hipboiyeah, i think it's correct
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08:43.57hipboioh, i remember
08:45.13gaara_akashany1 here know how to build android for allwinner based tablets?
08:45.40hipboibecause at first i put the GET_UMP_SECURE_ID in the dev_disp.c
08:45.42mnemocgaara_akash: look at Quarx2k's github
08:46.05hipboithen i just copied the code and forgot the extern
08:46.11mnemoc:)
08:46.56gaara_akashooh...all of them seem to be cm builds mnemoc :)
08:47.10mnemocyes, unfortunatelly
08:47.20gaara_akashmnemoc, how do i figure out if it works for a certain device? namely http://www.yamaytech.com/productshow.asp?id=603
08:47.33RaYmAnusually, it's fairly compatible so you can just use the device tree on AOSP source
08:47.52gaara_akashRaYmAn, thats good to know
08:48.17hipboigaara_akash: you have to pull out some file from your exsiting firmware
08:48.20gaara_akashbut is there some way to check if the cm builds might work with a specific device?
08:48.25RaYmAnmnemoc: unfortunately, pfft :P CM9 is pretty nice ;)
08:48.46mnemocRaYmAn: I hate it's bad-boy style
08:49.04mnemocbut yes, it's all about changing the theme
08:49.10RaYmAnHow do you mean?
08:49.18gaara_akashRaYmAn, that means it works well with most devices?
08:50.10mnemocgaara_akash: it won't work out of the box, but it will be pretty close
08:50.41gaara_akashits more than enuf if 3g works :)
08:51.27mnemocadd github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_common in a local manifest and create a device specific for your tablet
08:51.47mnemocover quarx's manifest
08:52.25mnemocor just fork Quarx's device/allwinner/a10 as steev likes to suggest
08:52.40rzkgaara_akash: check there two http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490886 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1499124
08:52.42rzks/there/these/
08:52.59gaara_akashthank rzk
08:53.30mnemocRaYmAn: I only mean that the default look of CM is too childish
08:54.37mnemocRaYmAn: and I'm more confortable with stock AOSP
08:55.06gaara_akashrzk, i did check out the two posts you gave, but neither of them really help in directing how to adapt to a specific device
08:55.17mnemocRaYmAn: any thought about the patch? http://dpaste.com/761919/plain/
08:58.40rzkgaara_akash: what device do you have? all allwinner a10 devices are very similar.
08:59.10mnemocrzk: http://www.yamaytech.com/productshow.asp?id=603
08:59.10gaara_akashrzk, http://www.yamaytech.com/productshow.asp?id=603
08:59.36mnemocwww.yamaytech.com contains malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site.
08:59.45mnemoclove those
08:59.46rzkyep, chrome reports same here
09:00.11rzkthat tablet looks like ainol novo7 elf
09:00.20gaara_akashmnemoc, thats why we use linux :P
09:00.32mnemocgaara_akash: :)
09:00.32gaara_akashrzk, except it has 3g :)
09:00.50rzkoh, no, disregard that. elf has 1024x600 screen.
09:01.30rzkmnemoc: you still collecting nanda's from tablets? heres your chance for 3g tablet :3
09:01.39gaara_akashi'll pay anyone a 100 USD if someone can port either AOSP to work successfully with the tablet :)
09:02.13mnemocgaara_akash: try to find out what does it use for 3g... or you may end up stuck with propriertary yunk
09:02.41gaara_akashmnemoc, in the sense you want to know what 3g module is used within the tablet is it?
09:02.51mnemocnot me, you :)
09:02.51rzkwould be possible lol if its 3g usb
09:03.10mnemocrzk: very likely
09:03.20gaara_akash:O i dont want 3g usb :/
09:03.20rzksome huawei/zte without case sitting on top of battery
09:04.06gaara_akash3G module is from WULIAN company, the model no. is WM218
09:05.56gaara_akashrzk, mnemoc, 3G module is from WULIAN company, the model no. is WM218
09:05.59rzkgaara_akash: your tablet is known as CutePad F7 and Bmorn V15, google around these on forums
09:06.14mnemocRaYmAn: pushed
09:06.29RaYmAnmnemoc: fair enough, I'm probably biased since I maintain a couple of CM9 devices ;). Must say though, first time I've seen childish used to describe CM, heh.
09:07.22hipboiRaYmAn: is CutePad F7 or Bmorn V15 included?
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09:07.36gaara_akashrzk, oh those tablets also run the same thing is it?
09:07.42rzkyes
09:07.54mnemocRaYmAn: :)
09:07.55rzkthey are hw 1:1 clones with different logos
09:08.04rzkI can be wrong, tho.
09:08.08RaYmAnhipboi: not afaik, definitely not CM9
09:08.35RaYmAnThere aren't a lot of these chinese devices supported officially by CM yet
09:08.57hipboiok, i see
09:08.59zenitraMmmm, i recompiled with built-in SATA and mali_drm enabled
09:09.03zenitraMand i'm getting this: http://pastie.org/4125334
09:09.24hipboiwill the tv box, and hdmi dongle be supported by cm?
09:09.26rzkgaara_akash: DVC Q714 is also same tablet.
09:09.37rzkhttp://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/109505/211259118-536472479/DVC-Q714-Inch-5Points-Touch-Capacitive-Screen-Android4-0-ICS-3G-WCDMA-Phone-Call-Allwinner-A10.html
09:09.40zenitraMseems like.. wemac is crashing?
09:10.14gaara_akashrzk, any idea if cm supports these devicces?
09:10.30RaYmAnhipboi: what devices CM support depends on maintainers ;) But yeah, whenever I get a custom kernel booting on the MK802, I do plan on pushing for support
09:10.47hipboiRaYmAn: : )
09:11.03rzkmnemoc: http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/588/244/443/443244588_791.JPG
09:11.06mnemoczenitraM: please confirm your script.bin is not corrupted :<
09:11.24rzkmodem is on mini pci-e
09:11.25RaYmAnhipboi: I know htere are people working on it for Zatab
09:11.46hipboirzk: which device is it?
09:11.53mnemocRaYmAn: that would be Turl and ZaEarl
09:12.02RaYmAnmnemoc: yup :P
09:12.14rzkhipboi: CutePad F7 Bmorn V15  DVC Q714
09:13.02rzkgaara_akash: I dont know about CM, try to speak with Quarx, he did something on CM.
09:13.22gaara_akashQuarx, hi are you available?
09:13.54zenitraMwell seems it got corrupted indeed :< copying back
09:13.57gaara_akashrzk, lol, i'm ok if even AOSP works :)
09:14.04hnolundman, no I have not merged android and MMC uboot. Have had no reason to.
09:14.26lundmani merged in boota so I could try to boot android from mmc
09:14.31lundmanbut my kernel just hangs
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09:16.06hipboilundman: how do you make a boot.img
09:16.34lundmanmkbootimg
09:16.53lundmanpust the right header, so they visually look the same, just slight kernel size difference
09:17.14lundmanand split_bootimg.pl can split mine back out again
09:22.21RaYmAnare you usig the right --base?
09:33.23gaara_akashso anyone up for making a quick 100 bucks?
09:34.36mnemocprobably everyone here is too old to be bought with 100 bucks :p
09:35.13mnemocbut in XDA you'll catch lots of attention
09:38.43gaara_akashhaha :P
09:39.01gaara_akashwell how much will u be ready to work? :)
09:39.05gaara_akash500? :P
09:40.30gaara_akashwell i'm too young to be able to pay more than $100 :P
09:40.38gaara_akashso theres the issue :P
09:41.16mnemocthat's why you have to dive in and gain the skills while getting your tab to work ;-)
09:43.49mnemocget quarkx tree, then modify the local_manifest to get the kernel and device/allwinner/common, and start making your device
09:45.39gaara_akash:/
09:45.46rzkmnemoc: remember I told you about my ly-f1 dying? I think I found another idiotic stuff made by designers of that pcb. my battery and wires are in literally 1mm from crystal oscillator onboard.
09:46.02mnemoc:o
09:48.27gaara_akashmnemoc, i understood everything except for "start making your device"
09:49.01mnemoc<PROTECTED>
09:49.29gaara_akashawright, i shall get back definitely with more problems and all your help :P
09:49.58mnemocgood luck ;-)
09:51.21zenitraMhipboi: i'm trying to compile mali xorg
09:51.27zenitraMand on make i get:
09:51.29zenitraMIn file included from mali_fbdev.c:39:0:
09:51.29zenitraM/usr/include/xf86drm.h:40:17: fatal error: drm.h: No such file or directory
09:51.29zenitraMcompilation terminated.
09:51.38zenitraMam i missing some library?
09:51.58mnemoclibdrm-dev ?
09:52.15zenitraMlibdrm-dev is already the newest version.
09:52.16zenitraMlibdrm-dev set to manually installed.
09:52.55zenitraMokay, it's not mali
09:57.23mnemoctried to see if the binary drivers we got work on our current kernel?
09:59.04rmhttp://armservers.com/    <- not by Charbax? awww :)
09:59.32rmCalxeda perspectives <- oic, just one vendor
09:59.44zenitraMi'm trying to, but have to figure out why it can't find drm.h :<
10:00.36mnemocmissing -I ?
10:01.13zenitraMfixed, but now back again i get...
10:01.18zenitraMIn file included from mali_fbdev.c:46:0:
10:01.18zenitraMmali_exa.h:27:21: fatal error: ump/ump.h: No such file or directory
10:01.18zenitraMcompilation terminated.
10:01.40zenitraMump.h is not on any ubuntu package
10:01.42mnemocrm: the sad part about charbax's effort is that since he doesn't write articles all the "page rank" (and so ads money) goes to those who link to his videos on youtube
10:01.52zenitraMwhich leads me to believe, again, that the ddk is needed to compile
10:13.01hipboizenitraM: i can give you ump.h
10:13.54hipboii think it's also in the mali device driver
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10:15.03zenitraMhipboi: ok :)
10:15.06zenitraMi can't find it on the kernel
10:15.37zenitraMlots of ump_xxxx.h but no ump.h
10:15.54hipboiaha, it's in ump user spcace lib
10:16.02hipboican be downloaded from arm website
10:16.14zenitraMohh let me see..
10:16.25mnemochipboi: anything against using -Idrivers/gpu/mali/include instead of copying ump .h files into drivers/video/sun4i/disp ?
10:17.09hipboino
10:17.20hipboi-I is better, i think
10:19.02mnemocok, pushed :)
10:20.13zenitraMmm fixed, i'm now getting:
10:20.14zenitraM(EE) Failed to load module "mali" (module does not exist, 0)
10:20.23zenitraMwhen running X
10:20.46zenitraMokay, ran X again and it worked
10:25.35mnemoczenitraM: got accelaration or still snail fb?
10:26.03zenitraMinstalling lxde to see if i can see the difference
10:26.05rmzenitraM, what is the distro that you're running this on?
10:26.15zenitraMrm: ubuntu core 12.04 armhf
10:26.20mnemochipboi: is g2d hw accelerated 2d?
10:26.54zenitraMalso, i have to say that having root on sata really makes a difference
10:27.20mnemocthe nand driver doesn't seem to support threading
10:30.56mnemoctraeak was ranting yesterday about the poor performance of sata with the current HEAD of 3.0-v2
10:37.16hipboiyes, g2d hw acc 2d
10:37.29hipboithere is a direct fb driver of it
10:39.43zenitraMhacked on top of the vmware directfb driver
10:40.01zenitraMand for which just one or two demos run without crashing the kernel
10:40.02zenitraM:)
10:40.26mnemocuh
10:53.46zenitraMookay, not sure if x is being accel or not
10:54.02zenitraMdragging a terminal seems to be.. well, smooth
10:54.15zenitraMbut xorg goes to take 60% CPU
11:01.30Quarxmnemoc: hi, i'm here
11:02.40mnemocQuarx: hi. it was about some android stuff, but the topic is over already :)
11:02.58Quarxmnemoc: ok:)
11:08.49hipboiQuarx: where is your repo
11:09.02hipboithat i can build cm for A10 devices
11:09.15Quarxhipboi: https://github.com/Quarx2k  /android  allwinner branch
11:09.51Quarxhipboi: it will build 3.0.35+ kernel too
11:10.29hipboithere are so many trees
11:10.55Quarxhttps://github.com/Quarx2k/android/tree/allwinner
11:11.24hipboiah, thanks
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11:48.01mnemochipboi: does A13 have the 2d acceleration engine g2d uses?
11:48.07hipboino
11:48.28hipboiremoved, no apps use it in A10
11:49.06mnemocI had the hope of using g2d to implement a cleaner fb
11:49.33mnemocit's code is FAR more readable than the disp drivers
11:56.09mnemocwhy are days so short :<
12:00.36mnemochipboi: you mean the driver is removed or the hardware?
12:01.00Mazonmnemoc, thats why you have nights ;)
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13:34.55Turlso, I got my chance to buy a raspberry pi
13:41.27mnemoc...
13:42.25mnemochow much is with shipping for you?
13:46.18Turl35 excl VAT for the pi
13:46.22TurlI think shipping is like 5US
13:46.52steevmnemoc: i prefer local_manifest to forking
13:46.56Turl8.02US shipping cost
13:47.19Turlhm dafuq they want to charge me taxes
13:48.44mnemocsteev: I thought you had forked device_allwinner_a10...
13:50.55mnemocTurl: going to get it?
13:52.40rmTurl, Despatch expected in....? 9 weeks?
13:52.49mnemoc:D
13:52.57rmmnemoc, you think I am kidding?
13:53.07rmshould i make a screenshot, it actually says that
13:53.11rm:)
13:53.18mnemocdoh
13:53.33CIA-121rhombus-tech: Daniel master * r6d9d4e752703 /allwinner_a10/orders/mathpanda.mdwn:
13:53.43Turlrm: within 9 weeks yup
13:53.59rmhttp://home.romanrm.ru/pics/2012/2012-06-21T135338Z-rpi.png
13:54.26rmcouple of days ago it used to say 5 weeks
13:54.30Turlmnemoc: yeah, it'll make a decent low power appliance to torrent all the things and play my music :P
13:54.56rmso far I am hugging my MK802 and letting RPi shove their weeks
13:55.07rmwell, I'd order
13:55.12rmunless they didn't require to pay NOW
13:55.26rmbut rather in 9 weeks, too
13:55.37rms/unless/if/
13:57.02Turlmnemoc: so, pi + case + shipping = 49.49US
13:57.23mnemocnice xmas present
13:57.57specingwhile mele + case + shipping? = 70$?
13:58.10Turlspecing: I was thinking that
13:58.23TurlI got some extra money paid today so I can actually afford a mele now :)
13:58.29Turlso, thoughts?
13:58.58mnemocmele is closer to $90 total...
13:59.12mnemocbut I find the rpi a total waste
13:59.42Turlthe pi has the popularity factor
13:59.44Turlmany people have it
13:59.58mnemocget an iphone too then
14:00.08specinggood point.
14:00.22Turl...
14:00.35Turlthe point is, people are going to work on it for some time
14:00.35mnemocme fears Turl with reply he *has* an iphone
14:00.43Turlesp. when it's targeted as an educational device
14:00.50Turlno, I don't
14:01.12TurlI have two motorolas and a samsung :P
14:01.12Mazonwhile mele + case + shipping? = 70$? <-- try 115$ with tax
14:01.26mnemocstill worths it
14:01.33specingSo it is without tax?
14:01.44specingAnd shipping is in those 70$?
14:02.09Turlso http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/511685/0-566678042/Mele-A1000-TV-box-debug-board-pack.html
14:02.11mnemocturl's $50 is taxes on origin excluded
14:02.13Turlsays 75US
14:02.34mnemoc+ shipping
14:02.46Turlyeah I'm not gonna pay the 50US shipping they suggest ;)
14:02.55mikey_wWhat file system should be used on a sata 320GB drive for the mele A1000?
14:03.24zenitraMmikey_w: ext4 works fine on ubuntu
14:03.27Turl14US if I choose china post in germany
14:03.28zenitraMor did you mean for android?
14:03.43zenitraMTurl: depending on the shipping price dealextreme might be cheaper
14:03.50mikey_wWhat about ICS?
14:03.56TurlzenitraM: they have meles too?
14:04.04zenitraMyup
14:04.17zenitraMhttp://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet-tv-set-top-box-w-wifi-optical-3-x-usb-hdmi-av-lan-sd-119913?item=2
14:04.36mnemocwith DX-grade shipping times ;-)
14:04.44Turlso 92.60US
14:04.50Turlmnemoc: china post, same as aliexpress :P
14:05.03Turl50US for ups expedited or ems is a ripoff :P
14:05.15mnemocTurl: problem with DX is not the time after posting, but the time since you pay until they post it
14:05.24Turlyeah
14:05.29Turlthey used to be good at that
14:05.35zenitraMa spanish guy who's having an internship there is working on redesigning their workflows
14:05.37mnemocTurl: so you are in .de?
14:05.38MazonI need one of these to be in EU - the ~ 22€ handling fee for out-of-eu packages is horrendous
14:05.45Turlmnemoc: no, I'm in .ar
14:05.52Turlbut they don't show china post :x
14:05.59Turlso I chose .de and it shows there
14:06.05TurlI suppose cost is the same to ship worldwide
14:06.12zenitraMask tom
14:07.05Turlso 89.89 assuming shipping cost is the same vs 92 at dx
14:07.17mnemocshipping prices are usually by zone, and .de and .ar are probably not on the same one
14:07.18Turland I get the debug stuff vs no debug on dx
14:08.01mnemocjust buy it from tom and support the #arm-netbook family :)
14:08.16Turlhipboi_: hi, did you find out the shipping cost to argentina using china post? :)
14:08.38Turlmnemoc: yeah
14:08.48zenitraMfrom .es everywhere outside europe is the same zona
14:08.53zenitraMs/zona/zone/
14:09.03mnemocuh
14:10.18hipboi_yes
14:10.39hipboi_Turl: pay me 3 bucks
14:11.24hipboi_i can provide A1000/A2000 for 70$ without shipping
14:11.31hipboi_for the friends on irc
14:11.38hipboi_plus a debug board
14:11.46Turlhipboi_: I got some more money today, so I'll buy you a mele
14:12.03hipboi_i have some cheap model
14:12.14hipboi_A100, 65$
14:12.25hipboi_not sure what's the difference
14:12.35hipboi_but the same pcb for sure
14:13.12Turlcheaper components?
14:14.05hipboi_it seems no sata
14:14.35hipboi_it will arrive tomorrow, i will check the difference
14:15.09Turlok
14:15.10Mazonno mele units with 1GB ram ?
14:15.18zenitraMit's on the first picture on this slideshow: http://www.mele.cn/cn/index.aspx
14:16.26hipboi_http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=16964088540
14:16.40hipboi_a100 on mele official taobao shop
14:17.06mnemocremote seems nicer
14:17.51mnemocah, no. wrong picture
14:18.25zenitraMspanish google translation is quite funny
14:19.06hipboi_mele is on promotion this month
14:19.13hipboi_so the price is low
14:19.24hipboi_i just got 20 A100
14:19.40hipboi_planning donating 5 to the arch arm linux team
14:19.44mnemoczenitraM: youzee.com doesn't like the ics browser on the mele :<
14:20.18mnemochipboi_: btw, did you get armhf cedarx libs?
14:20.19zenitraMdoes it work on android devices?
14:20.23zenitraM(as in, we ban android devices)
14:20.32Turlhipboi_: let me know the cost for mele with sata + registered china post then :)
14:20.34mnemoczenitraM: works on the ics browser of my galaxy nexus
14:20.44specingLol chinese shops
14:20.50hipboi_mnemoc: not yet
14:20.51zenitraMmmm then id
14:20.54zenitraMs/id/idk/
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14:21.05specingThey advertising looks so "sensational"
14:21.09specingtheir*
14:21.18Turlspecing: yeah
14:21.51Turlspecing: partially because you see and don't understand the characters, but they're inside colorful figures and stuff :)
14:22.04specingright.
14:22.18specing< hipboi_> it will arrive tomorrow, i will check the difference
14:22.21specing< hipboi_> i just got 20 A100
14:22.24specingErr?
14:22.32hipboi_no
14:22.36hipboi_new model
14:23.02hipboi_a100, the same pcb with a1000/a2000
14:23.03mnemocspecing: s/got/bought/
14:23.08specingah
14:23.38hipboi_sorry for my chinglish
14:23.43mnemoc:)
14:24.27hipboi_if someone pay you 100$ on paypal, how much does paypal want
14:25.32hipboi_paypal charges every transaction?
14:25.42zenitraMyes
14:25.47mnemochere: 1.9-3.4% + 0.35E
14:25.51zenitraMi think it's around 2-4%
14:26.49hipboi_that's really a good business
14:27.17zenitraMhttp://ppcalc.com/
14:27.17Turlhipboi_: a friend paid me 70US and paypal took 4.08US
14:27.38zenitraMhipboi_: how much does aliexpress take from you sellers?
14:27.46hipboi_5%
14:27.55mnemocthere is a fee for receiving and another fee for withdrawing
14:27.57hipboi_that's pretty high
14:28.21zenitraMwow
14:28.57zenitraMit's quite high taking into account they hold your money (and will probably play with it to take interests in the meantime)
14:30.00hipboi_if you want the money go to your bank account from aliexpress
14:30.10hipboi_you have to pay extra fee
14:30.27specinghipboi_: You could open your own store on a mele :)
14:30.29hipboi_20$ per transaction
14:30.38Turl20US?
14:30.42hipboi_yes
14:30.44Turlthat's expensive :/
14:30.45specingomg
14:30.58Turlpaypal charges 11US for their checks I think
14:32.04hipboi_specing: open my own store, on a mele ?
14:32.28Turlhipboi_: run a web server on it :P
14:32.45specingyes, a web server on a HDD
14:32.52zenitraMdo load balancing between 5 meles
14:32.55hipboi_are there open source solutions of online shopping system?
14:33.14specingdunno
14:33.17zenitraMyes
14:33.25hipboi_that's an interesting idea
14:33.32zenitraMoscommerce, magento...
14:34.34Turlopencart http://www.opencart.com/
14:35.19zenitraMinstalls nginx and php5-fpm on his mele
14:35.36Turls/nginx/lighttpd/
14:35.40specingnginx!
14:35.46specingNGINX FTW!
14:36.08Turlnginx is marginally faster and exponentially harder to configure than lighttpd :)
14:36.22specingNah
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14:36.27specingnginx is easy to configure
14:36.28zenitraMi've installed too many nginx's on 128mb RAM VPS's to count
14:36.41TurlzenitraM: I run lighttpd on those
14:36.53Turlserving huge files behind coral network
14:37.27specinghipboi_: all you need is a fast stable connection
14:39.09zenitraMwhich is, on the other hand, not really common in china...
14:40.00TomNLyou could easily host it outside of china
14:40.37rmI run lighttpd everywhere
14:40.40mnemochipboi_: maybe a paypal in .hk is cheaper
14:40.47rmnginx is marginally faster and exponentially harder to configure than lighttpd  <- agreed
14:41.22mnemocbut lighter ;-)
14:41.56specinghipboi_: how's your 'net connection these days?
14:43.40zenitraMhttp://atomico.itram.es:800/info.php :P
14:44.20zenitraMnow you can go and ddos my mele
14:44.36mnemochipboi_: https://www.paypal.com/cn/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside ....
14:44.37TurlzenitraM: sure?
14:44.51TurlzenitraM: I have several 100mbit servers to udp from :)
14:44.53Turl:P
14:45.00specingLets all DDoS zenitraM 's mele
14:45.05zenitraMi said my mele, not the crappy cable router on the middle
14:45.15hipboi_i china, the uploading speeding is very low
14:45.49specingExactly how "low" is that?
14:46.08mnemocpassing the wall is hard
14:47.27rmhipboi, I always wondered, if a buyer uses an Aliexpress coupon, does the seller get less from the transaction? or Ali fully foots the bill?
14:47.50zenitraMrm: he gets the same than without coupon afaik
14:48.32hipboi_specing: 40 kb/s
14:48.56specingOk that is low...
14:49.11hipboi_i have 400 kb/s downloading
14:49.25RaYmAnrm: you had any luck with a self-built kernel on mk802 yet? :P
14:49.35specingMaybe you could somehow host just text and offload the images to e.g. imgur.com?
14:49.44hipboi_rm: the aliexpress coupon is provided by aliexpress
14:50.17specinghipboi_: is that bits or bytes per second?
14:50.22zenitraMspecing: and get banned for using too much hotlink bandwidth
14:50.27rmnice, so I should not feel terrible encouraging people to buy from you with coupons :p
14:50.31hipboi_specing bytes
14:50.55hipboi_rm: it's good
14:51.05specingso that is 320 kilobits/s
14:51.10specingWell it is doable
14:51.22hipboi_people buy with lower price, but i get the same money
14:51.27hipboi_both good
14:51.44hipboi_specing: it's 4Mbit speed
14:51.59rmRaYmAn, I only booted the ubuntu armel image on it
14:52.08rmonce
14:52.20rmthe rest of that evening I fought with HDMI and a Yamaha receiver
14:52.22rmand lost
14:52.33hipboi_specing: and i pay 960 rmb per year
14:52.50rmwhich means it stays hugely inconvenient for me to play w/these devices (have to unplug one of my 2 monitors from my main PC)
14:53.19zenitraMwell, in comparison with spain DSL prices, it's pretty cheap actually
14:53.51RaYmAnrm: fair enough. that's where I am too - and my custom kernels are just booting. I guess i'll wait for serial thing.
14:54.47Turl150US a year?
14:54.49Turlnot that bad
14:55.05rmand annoyingly neither Mele A2000 nor the MK802 work on my 1680x1050 DVI monitor
14:55.21hipboi_really?
14:55.23traeakdunno why or why not at this time honestly
14:55.26rmright now hoping that with a Debian image there'll be a way to configure video mode
14:55.41traeaki haven't looked...there should be some way to screw with the firmware boot
14:55.52traeakokay it seems that power isn't the problem with the SATA at this time
14:56.01traeakso next is to test this stpudi drive in some PC
14:56.02traeakhmm
14:56.23zenitraMi pay 50€/month for 50mbit down / 5 mbit up
14:56.25traeakany of you all hvae sata plugged into your mele?
14:56.40rmbtw, with the Mele, is there a way to activate VGA if you have no HDMI devices, period
14:56.44rm?
14:57.31rm(on Android) I plugged in VGA, turned it on, but nothing on the monitor, like no signal. I suppose it outputs to HDMI, expecting me to go to Settings and change to VGA
14:57.49zenitraMthere's a button on the remote to change the output
14:58.07rmand when I use HDMI-to-DVI with that monitor, it complains about "out or range", with something like "183 Hz"
14:58.36rmout of*
14:58.41traeakrm right now i only get 720P output
14:59.09rm(both worked with HDMI-to-DVI on a 1080p monitor)
15:01.33traeakrm this with mnemoc's kernel ?
15:01.49rmno, with the stock android
15:01.53traeakahh okay
15:02.04traeakstock androd only has a limited set of resolutions to pick
15:02.07rmmy plan is to use Debian on both
15:02.17rmwhich is why I am not too concerned about the Android problems
15:02.18traeaki'm sorry :-p
15:02.26traeaki just put ics on the internal
15:02.46traeakbefore the first firmware update it worked fine dvi/hdmi connectori
15:02.51traeakfirst update the colors were shifted
15:02.58traeakand last update
15:03.02rmI have a RK2918 TV box to serve as a dumb android device :p
15:03.11traeakthe colors were shifted, then i selected a launcher and the screen went black
15:03.40traeaki haven't plugged into my 1080p compat monitor recently
15:05.54specinghipboi_: 4Mbit down, 300 kilobit up?
15:06.23hipboi_specing: 4Mbit down, 40 kB up
15:06.32hipboi_yes
15:06.52specingWell it is doable you know...
15:07.00specingDo you have a stitic IP or dynamic?
15:07.16hipboi_static
15:07.34rm40 kilobit?
15:07.50hipboi_40K Byte
15:08.09rmI see
15:08.25rmwell, for $150 per year this sounds reasonable
15:08.31specinghipboi_: I guess you should start installing nginx, php, *sql and opencart....
15:08.57hipboi_how may years ago when your network speed is like this?
15:09.12specingHmm about 10?
15:09.20specingI have 10/2 Mbit/s
15:09.23mnemocpays 40E/m ... and that can be cosnidered cheap :<
15:09.32rmit's $13 per month, some would choose such a plan today right here and would've been perfectly happy
15:10.10zenitraMhipboi_: the cheapest in spain, 3mbit/300kbit, can be like be 25€/month
15:10.19specingwell I think my internets bill is 20E /m, but it comes in a package (net, TV, phone)
15:10.21hipboi_well the price goes down this year, 600 per year for 4Mbit
15:10.28mnemoczenitraM: and the line fee?
15:10.30zenitraMi pay 50€ for 50/5 mbit
15:10.36zenitraMmnemoc: counting the line fee
15:10.53mnemocnice
15:11.00specingI'd rather have 2/10 if I had a choice...
15:11.25mnemocI pay 40 for 20/3 on including a discount
15:11.40mnemocs/on//
15:11.41zenitraMmine is discounted too, first year promo and stuff
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15:12.24rmmine is $17/month for 30/30 daytime, 100/100 nighttime
15:12.31mnemocrm: where?
15:12.38rmmiddle of Russia :)
15:12.42specing0.o
15:12.43mnemoc:D
15:12.52specingrm: do you have a free room up there?
15:13.04rmhehe
15:13.15TurlI pay like..
15:13.33Turl35US/mo for 6M/
15:13.40Turl6M/.75M
15:14.12Turlused to pay like 25US when promotion started, it's almost finishing now :P
15:14.57Turlit has 'nitro' though, bursts  to all-the-line-can-do on the start of connections
15:15.04rmthere's this thing called ARPU
15:15.05Turlusually ~20+M
15:15.06rmor APRU
15:15.23rmdue to which you won't find a plan cheaper than ~$12 or so
15:15.37rmno matter how low the speed, there
15:15.55rm's a minimum amount of money which they want to collect per user
15:16.47rmhence the lowest speed plan here costs and specced about the same as hipboi's
15:16.50Turlthat would be illegal in here I think
15:16.54Turltrust laws
15:17.15rmwhich is why I said it's not a bad offer even here
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15:17.46rmright, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_revenue_per_user
15:17.51j1nxF^ck it is cold in Holland ;)
15:19.42xenoxaosF^ck it's hot in the US
15:20.37xenoxaos34C right now
15:22.05mnemocj1nx: weren't you in a hot land with ninjas on the streets?
15:29.14Turlhm
15:29.22Turleither I'm missing something
15:29.27Turlor the man docs are wrong :o
15:29.42Turlstrdup            || /* Since glibc 2.12: */ _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 200809L
15:29.52j1nxmnemoc: just returned this morning from Abu Dhabi
15:30.01Turlyet I'm isong latest posix c source, 2.13 and it's not defined
15:30.08j1nxxenoxaos: It was 51C over there
15:30.09Turls/isong/using/
15:30.46j1nxhno: Awake?
15:30.48xenoxaosya...well i like it cool
15:40.16RaYmAnTurl: are you using the right includes? ;)
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15:41.20Rizo_Isrofhi there
15:41.32TurlRaYmAn: ya, string.h
15:41.41Rizo_Isrofis framebuffer aceleration supported on a10?
15:41.49Turlchecked the file and it's not if'ed to that posix thing :(
15:41.51Turllibc bug? :P
15:42.19TurlRaYmAn: anyway, ended up using malloc+strncpy
15:42.25mnemocRizo_Isrof: there is a 2d accelarator, but not connected to the standard fb
15:42.33RaYmAnTurl: seems more likely it's a turl bug ;P Compiling anything particular or? just curious to reproduce for the hell of it
15:43.51Rizo_Isrofmnemoc, that means i can get video acceleration in a distro like debian or so, compiled with allwinner kernel?
15:44.16mnemocRizo_Isrof: 2d != video
15:44.49Rizo_Isrofmnemoc, part of the question remains =)
15:44.50mnemocRizo_Isrof: to have accelerated video decoding you need the cedarx library, which is closed source
15:44.58TurlRaYmAn: a 'yet another git'
15:45.02Rizo_Isrofmnemoc :/
15:45.04Turlobviously way more simple
15:45.06Turluni task
15:45.15TurlRaYmAn: wanna reproduce? make a simple program using it
15:45.26RaYmAnsure, but I'm fairly certain I won't hit that issue .P
15:45.33TurlRaYmAn: then build with -Wall -Wextra -pedantic --std=c99
15:45.48Rizo_Isrofmnemoc, even closed source, can i use it with mele a1000 and a costume distro?
15:46.11mnemocRizo_Isrof: if the libc matchs, yes
15:46.41Rizo_Isrofmnemoc, is there any documentation?
15:46.44RaYmAnTurl: there we go ;)
15:46.46Turlas far as I know cedarx is not integrated to any video framework though
15:47.14RaYmAnTurl: yup, warning now
15:47.44TurlRaYmAn: now read the manpage and try to fix it with the posix define :)
15:48.02mnemocRizo_Isrof: there are some PDFs in https://github.com/amery/allwinner-a10-video
15:48.25Rizo_Isrofmnemoc, tnks
15:49.44mnemocRizo_Isrof: do you want to use it directly or to integrate in in libva (*ding*) or gstreamer or similar?
15:50.34mnemocgimli is integrating directly (sad) in xmbc
15:50.53Rizo_Isrofmnemoc, i want it to play video controlled by web or ssh commands
15:51.00Rizo_Isrofno matter how
15:51.17Rizo_Isrofand change resolution too
15:51.48traeakugh the instructions here aren't quite right
15:51.55traeakhttp://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/Compile_X11_driver_for_A10/
15:52.15Turlmnemoc: any idea how's progress regarding that? :)
15:52.15Rizo_Isrof:O
15:52.20Rizo_Isrofthere is a X11 driver?!?!
15:52.33Rizo_Isrofcool, traeak
15:52.41mnemocTurl: j1nx is the xmbc spy
15:52.56Turlmnemoc: when I get my mele I want to run xmbc on it, might take a shot at helping on that front :)
15:53.26Rizo_Isroflast time i checked there was no x11 driver
15:53.33Rizo_Isrof2 weeks ago i mean
15:53.40Rizo_Isrofcool
15:53.49mnemocRizo_Isrof: there was one from the original ubuntu image from tom, months ago
15:54.23mnemocRizo_Isrof: the one on that wiki page is special because it's armhf
15:54.26Rizo_Isrofmnemoc: can i use it to play video?
15:54.42mnemocRizo_Isrof: no, 3D != video
15:54.48RaYmAnTurl: yup..warning goes away. :)
15:55.20mnemocRizo_Isrof: 3d engines don't decode videos
15:55.22TurlRaYmAn: mine didn't
15:55.25TurlRaYmAn: what did you define?
15:55.35RaYmAnTurl: #define _POSIX_C_SOURCE 200809L
15:55.44RaYmAnTurl: did you remember to do it before any standard includes?
15:55.46TurlRaYmAn: define the 2011something one
15:55.50TurlRaYmAn: yeah, top line of the file
15:56.11Rizo_Isrofmnemoc: what do you have me do in this situation? I want to play video and change resolutions remotely
15:56.11TurlRaYmAn: 200112L
15:56.29Rizo_Isrofmnemoc: as u can see, im very confused
15:56.33RaYmAnTurl: duh
15:56.49RaYmAnTurl: 200112L <= 200809L so of course not.
15:56.52mnemocRizo_Isrof: i told you, use the cedarx video decoding library
15:57.01TurlRaYmAn: oh derp
15:57.12TurlRaYmAn: I read it as 2011.12 vs 2008.09 >.<
15:57.23RaYmAnTurl: :P
15:57.44Rizo_Isrofmnemoc, can i use cedarx lib playing a video while running Xorg?
15:57.53TurlRaYmAn: well thx :P
15:58.12mnemocRizo_Isrof: yes
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15:58.33RaYmAnTurl: it's probably better to do it yourself anyways. It's not like strdup is in any C standard really
15:58.41Rizo_Isrofmnemoc: is there any image out there ready to test this?
15:59.00TurlRaYmAn: well it's on the posix standard :P
15:59.15TurlRaYmAn: 'fuck windows', linus style :P
15:59.20RaYmAnTurl: lol
15:59.40TurlRaYmAn: yeah I ended up mallocing+strncpy
16:01.21j1nxXBMC does NOT require the X11 driver, but runs straight hardware accel. on the FB
16:01.38mnemocRizo_Isrof: I don't follow the "news" about pre-cooked images, but I remember some scripts in cnxsoft's blog
16:01.43Turlj1nx: is it working already to some extent?
16:01.59Rizo_Isrofmnemoc, many tnks
16:03.42mnemocRizo_Isrof: yw
16:03.58specingSpeaking of stable connections....
16:04.21specinghipboi_: opencart has a link to a $4 /month hosting provider
16:04.43hipboi_thanks
16:04.55hipboi_i have a web hosting on go daddy
16:05.10hipboi_because go daddy support alipay
16:05.54hipboi_in china if you want to host a website, it must be real name
16:06.06hipboi_and your id card information
16:07.39specing;O
16:08.04specingWell I think you only need need it to register a domain
16:08.28specingAnd they need some source of money for server hosting
16:09.24mnemochipboi_: going to open your own shop?
16:09.49hipboi_if i am selling my own products, then yes
16:10.35mnemocplease define "own products".... unless it's still confidential
16:11.22j1nxTurl: Only Gimli knows as he is developing behind closed door at the moment. The GUI is up and running and he is working on the hardware decoding at the moment
16:11.49mnemochates when people develops "open source" that way
16:12.17hipboi_mnemoc: own means the idea
16:12.30hipboi_well, it's nothing new
16:12.50hipboi_small extendable, board
16:12.58hipboi_maybe with a case
16:13.03j1nxmnemoc: It is for a bit of protection at the moment, because everybody will food the channels/forums with quetions and stuff
16:13.11mnemochipboi_: but your design, not merely reselling
16:13.19hipboi_yes
16:13.22mnemocneat
16:13.40j1nxAs soon as all different aspects are in a "workable" condition the repository will be public
16:14.07j1nxBut even then public does not mean finished, far from that
16:14.41mnemocj1nx: I can understand it, but from my pov free software needs to be open since before the first line of code is written
16:15.25TurlI usually agree with mnemoc
16:17.57j1nxI also agree with mnemoc, but the XBMC community are a$$holes :) and basically need to be protected from themselfs
16:18.08mnemocdoh
16:18.16j1nxLook at the RPi
16:18.21TomNL@j1nx you are working on openelec build chain?
16:18.45mnemocTomNL: in irc you don't prefix nicks with @
16:18.49j1nxBunch of whinners. It did not met expectations and everything was crap
16:18.57TomNLhehe sorry mnemoc
16:19.11TomNLlong time ago for me being in IRC channels
16:19.21hipboi_Turl: i am building ics, i have problem with TARGET_CUSTOM_WIFI
16:19.43j1nxTomNL: Not yet! Just return from a 5 weeks work trip. Will look at it next week. First I need to give some quality time to the wife and kids
16:19.46TomNLj1nx if you want i might be able to help setting up a buildchain
16:19.48hipboi_Turl: No rule to make target
16:19.57j1nx(that's why I am here ;) )
16:20.48TomNLbefore i was mostly working on enigma2, setting up openembedded build machines and such
16:21.14j1nxTomNL: Checkout OpenELEC's github and have a look
16:21.40TomNLyes i was looking at it, and it seems fairly straigth forward
16:21.51hipboi_Turl: i can't find wifi_realtek.c in my source code
16:21.58j1nxI cloned it at my github account, if you want we can work on it together
16:22.06j1nxNL = Netherlands?
16:22.07TomNLi ordered a mele yesterday :) so i can help out
16:22.16TomNLyes Netherlands
16:22.40mnemocj1nx too
16:22.53j1nxSame timezone ;)
16:23.02j1nxsame language
16:23.22TomNLhehe true :)
16:23.40mnemocdamn android forces everyone in this part of the world to choose amsterdam :<
16:23.54TomNLthis is main linux kernel source right, used for allwinner? https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner
16:24.21TomNLit's because we dutch guys like free stuff ;-) thats why we invest in opensource
16:24.35TomNLhehe just joking :)
16:26.01TomNLj1nx: what kernel is currently used for the ubuntu booting? you know?
16:26.15j1nx3.0.31
16:26.25j1nxv2
16:26.52TomNLwip/linux-3.3-sunxi/forward-3.0-v2
16:26.53Turlhipboi_: did you clone hardware/realtek ?
16:27.35hipboi_i use repo sync from zatab's manifest
16:27.39Turlhipboi_: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_hardware_realtek
16:27.41j1nxTomNL: https://github.com/j1nx/OpenELEC.tv
16:27.58j1nxContact me, and we will see how to work together
16:28.01Turlbe back in a bit, lunch time :)
16:28.03j1nxwww.j1nx.nl
16:28.31TomNLok i will. i will first look into the openelec build chain, see about the linux kernel version etc
16:29.24Turlj1nx: openelec looks interesting :)
16:29.53mikey_wIs there an ubuntu image that can use sata?
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16:30.36hipboi_why  zareason's manifest don't has android_hardware_realtek tree?
16:35.12TomNLare they big differences between mainline kernel source and allwinner source? or just added some stuff?
16:35.27TomNLopenelec uses kernel 3.2.21 and add for example for RPI a patch set
16:40.55Turlhipboi_: zaearl forgot? I don't know
16:49.01j1nxTomNL: Indeed OE uses 3.2.21 mainline with patches so they can use the same script for every release (ion,arm,fusion,etc). We have to pull our own complete tree for now
16:49.35j1nxFor testing purposes we can pull "theuni" his FB branch of XBMC
16:49.54j1nxAnd replace the URL later with Gimli his branch
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17:01.34TomNLok so we should start with making a patch set for the 3.2.21 kernel i assume
17:02.38TomNLj1nx: the idea would be to deliver a ready to go package to openelec so they can officially support it?
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17:07.18j1nxTomNL: You can forget about the 3.2.21 patch-set
17:07.54j1nxmnemoc currently works on 3.3, but will probaly update that even further before releasing
17:08.26Turlhipboi_: I'm pretty much everywhere on freenode :P
17:08.34j1nxbut as OE uses scripts, we might still pull another kernel tree and get away wit hit
17:09.22j1nxBut I haven't looked at it for weeks
17:11.05mnemocj1nx: I'm going to migrate the wip 3.3 branch to 3.4 this weekend as 3.3 seems a future-less version
17:11.33mnemocj1nx: but it's usuable already.... except usb gadget
17:12.45TomNLj1nx: ok I will start looking into the scripts :).
17:12.51j1nxIf usb gadget is the only thing left, we might be better of to use 3.4 then from next week on
17:13.19j1nxit will attract more people and therefor maybe some extra hands for the development
17:13.54mnemocj1nx: in 3.3 i mean, I haven't even started with 3.4 yet
17:14.34mnemoc3.3 is usuable etc etc etc
17:15.43mnemocand help is welcomed any time
17:17.29Turlhipboi_: when are you getting the A100s?
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17:37.18Turlhey gimli :)
17:39.26Turlgimli: I heard you're working on xbmc, what's the progress on it?
17:40.14gimlii move slowly forward. hw decoding is running. video is a bit choppy
17:40.34Turlnice
17:50.32specingIs there some info on the amount of l1/l2 cache the A10 has and how big the l1 cache line is?
18:22.33Turlheh ~50-55US A10 tablets http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale/wholesale-Android-4.0.html?SearchText=Android%2B4.0&CatId=0&manual=y&SortType=price_asc&SortType=y&filterCat=100005062,5090301,5092303
18:23.48RaYmAnTurl: with 40$ shipping ;)
18:24.43TurlRaYmAn: well yeah :P
18:25.58Turlinteresting, cortex a9 http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/579089208-Free-IPTV-IPTV-Pod-CloudoTV-Google-Android-4-0-Internet-TV-Box-WIFI-1080P-Full-HD-wholesalers.html
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18:27.35RaYmAnTurl: some info on the SoC here: http://www.pdaplus.hu/download/maiden/AML8726M3.pdf
18:27.58specingThe A10 needs a heatsink
18:28.17specingIm updating gentoo on it again :/
18:30.19mnemocamlogic won't be happy with "promaster"
18:30.24Turlspecing: lol
18:30.39Turlmnemoc: who's that?
18:30.42specingI just mounted a 2" 12V fan on it
18:30.50specingon a pair of pencils
18:31.04Turlah lol, the watermark
18:31.13Turlspecing: haha
18:31.22Turlmy A10 hardly gets hot
18:31.36Turlbut then, it has a huge aluminium back
18:31.43specingWell I almost burnt my fingers on it
18:31.52specingaluminium back?
18:31.53specingwhere?
18:31.59mnemocTurl: yes
18:32.02specingMy tablet has a plastic back
18:32.03Turlit goes from "zomg this metal is freezing" to room temp
18:32.10Turlspecing: mine has an aluminium back
18:33.06Turlwhich is kinda fail too, you get shocked if the charger/usb is plugged in and you're grounded :P
18:33.16specingreally?
18:33.17specingLOL
18:33.36Turlnot like a 220V shock, but not a nice sensation either
18:33.55Turlthe connectors are not shielded and the usb plug touches the device shell easily
18:34.26specinglol, talk about quality, atleast I dont get electrocuted
18:34.51Turlspecing: on another subject, lol @ rebuilding on single cortex a8 :P I heard rebuilding on dual cortex a9 (T2) was painful already :)
18:35.05Turlspecing: I really should tell zaearl to fixit :P
18:35.52specingNo worries, I have distcc on my laptop
18:36.14Turlcross+native compiling?
18:37.11specingyeah
18:37.27specingcross-compiling but native linking
18:37.40specingmeaning python and others build
18:37.43Turlcool stuff
18:38.28TurlI should set distcc up on all my stuff, I have like 3 phones, a tablet, a notebook, a tv, a kindle and a mele on the future :P
18:39.00Turloh and a router
18:39.37specingmy sarcasm alarm just blew the rooftop
18:40.54Turlspecing: they're all linux-powered devices ;)
18:42.08Turlbut yeah, my router or ARMv6 phone wouldn't be too suitable to build stuff
18:42.23Turlnor the kindle or tv
18:42.53rmdo you have an ARM router?
18:43.05rmthat's kind of rare
18:43.20Turlno, it's MIPS
18:43.44Turlrm: but it runs linux
18:43.47Turlrm: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr1043nd
18:44.01rmyeah, that's a great one
18:44.58rmI have just set up a WR703N as my main router today
18:45.12Turlrm: my router runs mpd :)
18:45.54Turlbut it doesn't have any floating point unit, so decoding anything with a 'normal' decoder is impossible
18:47.03rmI'm not a fan of piling a lot of extra tasks on devices that have single digit megabytes of storage
18:47.20rmanything nontrivial, and it'd better run debian
18:47.23rmto be convenient to me
18:48.26Turlrm: well my router has like 250G attached to it
18:48.52Turland it has an ext4 overlayed on top of its rootfs
18:49.48xenoxaosprefers arch over debian
18:50.20j1nxgimli: Do you run into problems because there is no 23.967 hz support?
18:50.22TurlI dislike arch
18:50.33specingTurl: heh, even my humble ARM9 devkit has 64M ram!
18:50.53Turlspecing: mine has 256M
18:51.00Turlspecing: but I doubt you wanna compile stuff on it :)
18:51.20rmyou have resoldered its RAM?
18:51.33Turlrm: no
18:51.51Turlrm: motorola included the 256M on their factories :)
18:51.54gimlij1nx: could be
18:51.56Turlit's a phone, not a devkit
18:52.03rmhm, you mean a phone
18:52.11rmI thought we were still talking about the router
18:52.34Turlrm: my router has.. 32M was it?
18:52.56rmyep
18:52.58TurlI'm not on its network to check for sure
18:53.15Turlyou can resolder the ram and use 64M on it
18:53.26Turlbut 32M is enough, even running mpd and smb
18:55.40specingTurl: I have Gnetoo on it...
18:55.46specingbut ofcourse..
18:56.37TurlI run android with the ancient .29 kernel on it
18:57.59TurlI really should move up to CAF .35 kernel at least
18:57.59TurlI've got kexec working on it, but I need some way to debug it and to "unlazy" myself
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19:01.01Turl(not 'true' kexec, it's a cool hack that emulates it)
19:02.07TurlI should maybe port the patches to the A10 kernel to speed up development
19:02.20Turlmnemoc: would you find a kexec-like solution handy?
19:03.09mnemocsure, why not
19:05.02Turlmnemoc: it's cool because it doesn't suffer from the traditional hw misinitialization issues kexec has
19:05.03mnemocprobably we need to fix the memory size stuff first, but sure
19:05.16mnemocyou made it?
19:05.21Turlno
19:05.39Turlanother CM developer did
19:05.44RaYmAnit's surprisingly simple and pretty awesome
19:05.58RaYmAnI have it working on my ASUS Transformer Prime (Tegra3)
19:06.03mnemoc:)
19:06.14Turlmnemoc: basically you upload the kernel to RAM and set a flag
19:06.31Turlmnemoc: and on boot, the kernel decompressor checks for the flag and jumps to the previously uploaded kernel if found :)
19:07.03Turlthe device needs to retain RAM contents across reboots; they usually do
19:08.00mnemoctry it, if it works, i have nothing against including it
19:08.50Turlok
19:08.51RaYmAnit works pretty well with kexecboot.org as well :) linux-as-a-bootloader works fairly well
19:09.02rmhttp://togetho.ru/cx01eng.html sooooooooooooooo
19:09.19rmis there anything hopeful on the GNU/Linux front for this device?
19:09.32mnemocin the sunxi kernel we have a pretty strong reliance in the bootloader
19:09.38Turl:O kexecboot looks awesome RaYmAn
19:10.46RaYmAnmnemoc: the awesome thing is, this does a "regular" reboot of the device before jumping to the new kernel, so all hardware is properly initialized by bootloader
19:11.05Turlrm: cortex A5
19:11.18Turlisn't that like the lowest end of all?
19:11.27TurlI think the idle core of T3 us a cortex A5
19:11.31Turlis*
19:11.50CIA-121rhombus-tech: Alexander master * r522af5662e92 /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn:
19:11.56RaYmAnCortex A5 is pretty recent iirc
19:12.20RaYmAnit's lower-specced for sure, but it's like their low-power version of A9 or something
19:13.22rmno SD slot
19:13.39RaYmAnoh, bah
19:13.43RaYmAnIt looked pretty nice :/
19:13.43TurlRaYmAn: http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a5.php
19:13.50CIA-121rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rd18fcfbe3a08 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (.mdwn vegayours.mdwn): order processing cleanup
19:13.54Turlfeature phones listed there
19:13.54RaYmAnTurl: yup, looking at that
19:13.59Turlcertainly not a powerhorse :P
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19:14.07RaYmAnsure
19:14.13RaYmAnbut no sd is kind of a no-go imho
19:14.14RaYmAnlol
19:14.29rmThis MK802 is In Stock now!!!Welcome to place your orders !!!   http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/568297444-In-Stock-Android-4-0-Mini-PC-IPTV-Google-Internet-TV-Smart-Android-Box-DDR3-1GB-wholesalers.html
19:14.42RaYmAnnice
19:14.57RaYmAnI'm still not sure whether i regret getting this over a mele
19:15.12rmI'd say get Mele, or get both
19:15.21mnemoc$83? for $7 more you get a mele, and it's FAR more useful
19:15.26Turlrm: at that price, a mele beats it
19:15.27rmmele is arguably better bang for the buck (SATA!!!!!!)
19:15.30Turlmele has sata
19:15.33rmTurl, 1G of RAM
19:15.44rmis the only thing this has over Mele
19:15.44mnemocand ethernet, and rca, and vga, and UART!
19:15.45RaYmAnrm: I already have a 1gb mk802
19:15.46rmand the size
19:15.55RaYmAnbut meh. Size is really it's only advantage :P
19:15.59Turlrm: yeah but I already have enough android devices :p
19:16.09Turland for serverlike tasks, 512 ought to be enough
19:16.11mnemocthe a2000 is quite small
19:16.16rmmake some of them Arch devices or Debian devices
19:16.18rmproblem solved
19:16.35Turlrm: I don't want debian phones with unusable gsm radios
19:16.52rmcome to think of it, Mele even beats all those "Plug Computers"
19:17.00rmcheaper, orderable with cheap/free shipping
19:17.06rmsame RAM, SATA port right on the device
19:17.33MazonTurl> and for serverlike tasks, 512 ought to be enough <-- obviously you haven't run a java application server ;)
19:18.20Mazonwhy isn't the cubox getting so much love? - the pricetag?
19:18.35RaYmAnTurl: tbh, I'm pretty sure that 40$ CX-01 still beats an Rpi :P
19:19.22TurlRaYmAn: yeah
19:19.52TurlMazon: I dislike java :P
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19:20.08Turltoo... "ENTERPRISE" as a buddy likes to call it :p
19:20.40Mazonnah, just stuff like jboss etc thats too heavy - jetty is nice for quick and easy
19:20.53Mazonofc, still uses a shitload of ram
19:20.57Turljava itself is too heavy
19:22.14Mazondepends on the vm
19:22.34Mazonjavacard vm is pretty lightweight :)
19:22.35mnemoclua ftw! :p
19:22.42Turlboth OpenJDK and Oracle's like to rape ram chips
19:22.56Mazonas I said, depends on the VM
19:22.58Turlmnemoc: haskell ftw :P
19:23.18Turlhugs hugs
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19:24.15mnemoc:)
19:25.13Mazonjava embedded only uses around 32MB ram for the vm
19:25.32TurlMazon: that's still a lot
19:25.45Mazonfor a virtual machine ?
19:25.49TurlMazon: dalvik uses little memory
19:26.00Mazonits A LOT slower
19:26.05Mazondalvik blows
19:26.12Mazonit really does
19:26.20Turlwhen did we start talking about speed?
19:26.31Mazonwell, you need both
19:26.46Mazonno good if it's slow as hell
19:28.33TurlMazon: I'd take slow over dead because OOM :)
19:28.47Mazon:)
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19:29.52Turlany good hashing lib for C? I need to hash file contents
19:30.15mnemocopenssl? :p
19:30.52mnemoctommath is^Wwas awesome
19:31.51mnemocerr libtomcrypt I mean
19:32.58TurlI need something with low collition chances
19:33.10Turlto build a file hash tree so I can then diff which files changed and stuff
19:47.15traeakwhat's ioccom ?
19:48.28traeakseems the drm stuff wants it?
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20:16.57traeakokay found the ioccom...sort of
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20:27.27traeakwell
20:27.44traeakthe answer is to edit drm.h to remove ioccom and types include
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20:51.02traeakman getting xf86-video-mali to configure isn't working
20:51.03traeakyuk
20:52.51mnemocplease lets use the binaries provided by Tom to fix the kernel integration before trying to compile xf86-video-mali ourselves
20:53.39traeakwhere's the binaries ? sorry looking at http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/Compile_X11_driver_for_A10/
20:53.39mnemocif not it will be imposible to know on what side the problems are
20:54.03mnemocthere was a link there
20:54.04mnemoc1m
20:54.29mnemoc"Pre-compiled mali opengl library." section, link to dropbox
20:54.48traeakthat has the libraries but not the xorg drivers
20:54.59mnemocmeh
20:55.02mnemocgood point
20:55.27mnemocslaps himself
20:56.53traeakthe other extra nit are that thoe libraries are copied 3 times instead of soft links to the fully versioned ones
20:57.34traeakjust a nit though :-p
20:59.04traeaki'm guessing i have to download the whole source tree for xorg-server and build in there (i hope that isn't the case)
20:59.19mnemocnarf
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21:09.18traeakor can i just "cop" someone's xorg drivers ?
21:09.32zenitraMtraeak:  where/how are you building?
21:09.55zenitraMi got to build the x11 module this morning, after some fiddling
21:10.46mnemocwanted android 5.0, not 4.1! aaarg...
21:12.20zenitraMat least it's coming to the GN first
21:12.42mnemocyeah
21:13.01RaYmAnhm. On the mele - does the stock sun4i_defconfig build a working kernel? By working I mean, init HDMI and actually display something?
21:13.54mnemocRaYmAn: afaik people does use sun4i_defconfig on their ubuntu installation... but i might be wrong
21:14.16mnemocI only play with a headless mele.... the other has Tom's ICS
21:15.11RaYmAnI was just wondering if that might be out issue - e.g. that it still inits lcd instead of HDMI or something? But I guess that should be controlled by script.bin?
21:15.42mnemoci think the hdmi driver has the greeting commented out
21:16.18zenitraMit will init whatever it says on the script.bin
21:16.36zenitraM(once you modprobe disp, lcd, hdmi)
21:16.58RaYmAnyeah, it's kind of hard to tell what's going wrong at this point, lol
21:17.08mnemocmodprobe disp should not be needed, it's a dep of the other two
21:17.24RaYmAnI did the usual, copy uImage to sd fat partition, make modules_install to sd ext4 part
21:17.56mnemocthere is no fbcon, as to see something you need to actually run X
21:18.10mnemocs/as/so/
21:18.31RaYmAnyeah
21:18.57RaYmAnthat's why I started from a mele image that works (with X11 non-accel)
21:23.01RaYmAnThe frustrating thing is the completely lack of any activity :P But I guess that's the issue with a small device like this, lol
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21:35.31mnemocRaYmAn: alternative path, usb booting and uart on microsd
21:36.23RaYmAnyeah :/ Once I get micrsd thingymabob I'll try that :P
21:37.27zenitraMyou also need usb booting from that..
21:37.41zenitraMor loading the kernel from nand using the built-in uboot
21:37.51RaYmAnyeah, that's what I was thinking.
21:37.57mnemoc`fel` is ready... only extra research about addresses is needed
21:38.09RaYmAnthat's cool
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22:12.24traeakzenitraM: fiddling?  autoconf threw a bunch of errors, configure errors out, etc
22:12.47zenitraMtraeak: ./configure with the parameters there worked for me
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22:13.07zenitraMthen i had to add -L/usr/lib/libdrm in some places on the makefile
22:13.32traeakzenitraM: i'm on arch not debian so there might be some dependencies
22:13.34zenitraMand copy the folder with ump.h and more headers from the ump userspace on the arm site to /usr/include
22:13.37traeakzenitraM: you had to run autoconf ?
22:13.43zenitraMno, just ./configure
22:13.58traeakwhateverf i downloaded didn't have a configure screipt
22:13.59traeakscript i mean
22:14.32zenitraMi used DX910-SW-99003-r2p4-02rel1
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22:14.49traeakgrrr
22:14.50traeakdamnit
22:15.24zenitraMran apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg before, you'll probably have to install xorg dev related packages
22:15.38traeaki grabbed the wrong package
22:15.44traeakand arch doesn't have apt-get, etc :-p
22:16.04traeakthe next fun:  getting the driver to output at 1920x1200
22:18.31zenitraMi know, but you have aur and all those things which i don't know how they work
22:18.52traeaki know
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23:02.02traeakzenitraM: what did you end up using for xorg libs and cflags?
23:02.32zenitraMi had to install libdrm-dev
23:02.38zenitraMand add -L/usr/lib/libdr
23:02.42zenitraMand add -L/usr/lib/libdrm *
23:02.55zenitraMto the cflags at the makefile generated by configure
23:02.57zenitraMat src/
23:03.05traeakpkg-config isn't behaving for xorg-server for me
23:03.09traeakso different issues i guess
23:06.39traeakthere we go much better
23:13.03traeakzenitraM: did you grab somethign else to get ump.h ?
23:13.21zenitraMtraeak: the UMP package which is also at the arm site
23:13.47traeakso just incopmlete instructions on the wiki
23:23.55zenitraMyup
23:24.51traeakump symbol errors on  mali_drv...  ump_open (not getting UMP stuff apparently)
23:26.10traeakmuch better
23:26.24traeakneeded hard library for libUMP.a
23:26.34traeakdid you actually get a display up?
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23:43.20lundmanok
23:45.09hnotraeak & zenitraM, have you updated the wiki with errors found?
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23:50.50traeakokay, partially updating
23:51.08traeakone problem...the driver tried to run 840x480 and i got nothin'
23:51.13traeakbut at least the X server started and ran
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