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| 00:06.45 | lundman | so I wonder if its worth looking at mele's nic driver |
| 00:12.51 | lundman | so it's a realtek, and sitting on the USB bus.. hmm |
| 00:24.09 | traeak | really? sitting on the usb? |
| 00:24.09 | traeak | hmm |
| 00:24.55 | lundman | no, wifi is rtl on usb |
| 00:25.00 | lundman | wired is wemac |
| 00:25.07 | lundman | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/tree/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/drivers/net/sun4i |
| 00:25.19 | lundman | so there would be quite a difference between ether and wifi, I really should try |
| 00:25.23 | traeak | that's right..wemac |
| 00:25.45 | traeak | can't get to the pci bus stuff |
| 00:25.46 | lundman | "2) using cpu to read/write fifo, not dma" |
| 00:25.48 | traeak | lspci fails |
| 00:26.00 | lundman | well, duh |
| 00:31.24 | lundman | hmm actually, the sources would imply they added DMA |
| 00:32.33 | lundman | for(i=0;i<1000;i++); |
| 00:32.42 | lundman | seriously, that sort of code needs to stop |
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| 00:34.49 | lundman | don7t know if that is a linux kernel thing, or a A10 kernel developer thing |
| 00:34.53 | ZaEarl | lundman, seriously, it should be for(i=0;i<1000;++i); |
| 00:35.21 | ManoftheSea | what? |
| 00:35.27 | ManoftheSea | what's wrong with the for loop? |
| 00:35.34 | DonkeyHotei | the value of the expression is discarded, so it's the same |
| 00:35.39 | lundman | you mean the busy loop that does nothing but simulate a delay? |
| 00:35.39 | ZaEarl | pre-inc is much better than post-inc. |
| 00:35.49 | DonkeyHotei | no, it's the same |
| 00:35.53 | lundman | za: it is not, you'd miss on the [0] in arrays |
| 00:36.06 | ZaEarl | nope |
| 00:36.10 | DonkeyHotei | lundman: it's the same |
| 00:36.21 | lundman | it is indeed, since for 3rd argument is last |
| 00:36.29 | lundman | but joking aside, its a busy loop |
| 00:36.58 | lundman | in the network driver code, to simulate a delay, everytime it gets a packet |
| 00:37.02 | ZaEarl | lol |
| 00:37.06 | DonkeyHotei | this is the lamest tech joke so far this year |
| 00:37.24 | lundman | we can do betterm, give us a chance |
| 00:44.37 | Turl | does that even get built? |
| 00:44.44 | Turl | I'd expect it to get optimized out by a compiler |
| 00:51.11 | lundman | wonder if there is an easy one-boot way to test my built kernel |
| 00:54.17 | Turl | I once adapted 'hard kexec' patches for a kernel, and I was lazy to look for the arch reboot code, so I just |
| 00:54.25 | Turl | a: goto a; |
| 00:54.26 | Turl | or so |
| 00:54.27 | Turl | :D |
| 00:56.38 | ManoftheSea | oh, I didn't realize the semicolon |
| 00:56.43 | lundman | change uboot timeout to 3, lets me at least stop it |
| 00:56.48 | ManoftheSea | yeah, that makes sense. |
| 00:56.55 | ManoftheSea | to not do that, I mean. |
| 00:58.29 | lundman | hmm strange, the uboot just loads a big file called "boot" |
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| 01:14.41 | lundman | ah boota boots android image.. so need to learn about those before I can test my kernel |
| 01:23.43 | lundman | dang, boot my kernel on the lubuntu image and nic dont work still |
| 01:24.02 | tallnerd1985 | Fix it |
| 01:24.14 | lundman | its just being mean |
| 01:24.39 | tallnerd1985 | Slap it around and show it who's boss |
| 01:24.56 | lundman | but its the github amery kernel, so it should work |
| 01:25.43 | lundman | or is it |
| 01:26.31 | lundman | apparently you have to copy your own kernel over first, who knew |
| 01:28.04 | tallnerd1985 | Haha |
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| 01:31.49 | lundman | ok, definitely booting my kernel now, cos nothing works |
| 01:31.57 | lundman | \o/ |
| 01:33.02 | lundman | hey nic is up, score |
| 01:34.07 | lundman | 2012-06-19 09:33:53 (3.55 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [114720238/114720238] |
| 01:34.09 | lundman | now, to see if I can make it faster |
| 01:44.54 | lundman | 2012-06-19 09:44:48 (7.69 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [114720238/114720238] |
| 01:45.07 | lundman | score! |
| 01:46.15 | lundman | so, how can I send a patch to those who make the ICS4 image, so I can get faster ethernet? |
| 01:47.35 | tallnerd1985 | Send a req thru git upstream and hope they accept the patch |
| 02:10.06 | Turl | lundman: submit the patch to amery (aka mnemoc) |
| 02:11.03 | lundman | yeah, just doing more proper testing to make sure it is better |
| 02:24.38 | lundman | interesting, if I take it from from 9m/s to 8.8m/s, it runs better |
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| 02:30.09 | lundman | a lot better, yes, I am pleased with that |
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| 05:30.38 | rm | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/06/18/1311256/the-45-windows-laptop |
| 05:30.45 | rm | how unbelieveably clueless |
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| 05:57.22 | lerc | Windows CE is windows innit? |
| 05:58.08 | lundman | sure, an ever crappier version |
| 05:59.33 | rm | stupid tomtop doesn't actually have stock of the $70 1GB MK802 |
| 06:05.16 | lundman | heh the koi fishpond live wallpaper runs nice on mele |
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| 07:17.02 | J1nx | Gimli not here? |
| 07:17.09 | J1nx | damn! |
| 07:18.15 | J1nx | He just putted me into the secton of most untrusty people :D |
| 07:19.05 | J1nx | He was poking around in the XBMC forum about XBMC |
| 07:19.39 | J1nx | I thought, let's also trow some wood on the fire; Saying that maybe he should post THE big bunny video decoded by cedar |
| 07:20.13 | J1nx | Then averybody jumped on me; Gimme show me gimme more. Had to talk like shit to get out of that lie |
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| 07:20.30 | J1nx | And now, he just posted just that :D |
| 07:26.25 | Mazon | the movie looked like it had severe lag, but the cpu didn't seem to be busy? |
| 07:27.04 | Mazon | d/a/v cpu were all less than < 10% |
| 07:27.37 | Mazon | of course the last percentage seems like its peaking, is that the actual cpu or ? |
| 07:28.12 | J1nx | Looks more like the camera, because you can also see the same ghosting on the letters in the header or something |
| 07:28.35 | Mazon | k, but does this mean we're inching close to xbmc on mele ? |
| 07:28.42 | Mazon | or rather allwinner 10 |
| 07:28.47 | J1nx | Only Gimli knows |
| 07:28.51 | Mazon | heh |
| 07:29.36 | J1nx | but it can still take up significant time, don't misjudge this video by think to have it next week |
| 07:30.54 | hipboi | Gimli really had progress on porting xbmc |
| 07:31.16 | lundman | that is good news |
| 07:31.18 | J1nx | Ah hiphoi, you worked together with him |
| 07:31.25 | hipboi | no |
| 07:31.35 | J1nx | Are the legal issues solved as well? |
| 07:31.41 | hipboi | i am just providing what he needs |
| 07:31.55 | J1nx | (that's what I meant ;) ) |
| 07:32.02 | hipboi | i think the legal issues are solved |
| 07:32.08 | lundman | \o/ |
| 07:32.23 | J1nx | cool, so when it's ready it is also ready for release/distribution |
| 07:33.35 | J1nx | hipboi: Any news about you putted the "howto" online about compiling the X11 drivers? |
| 07:33.46 | hipboi | yes |
| 07:33.47 | J1nx | You said that a couple of days before |
| 07:33.52 | hipboi | i am working on it |
| 07:33.55 | lundman | is there no way to run xbmc without x11 :) |
| 07:34.06 | J1nx | xbmc runs without x11 |
| 07:34.10 | lundman | yay |
| 07:34.28 | J1nx | XBMC of the A10/RPi/Sigma runs straight onto the FB |
| 07:34.51 | J1nx | So for that we don't need the X11 drivers |
| 07:35.13 | J1nx | it is to speed up those slow ubuntu releases that seems to pop upo everywhere |
| 07:35.14 | lundman | that is most excellent |
| 07:35.21 | lundman | the cubox uses x11, and it is less than ideal |
| 07:35.37 | lundman | I'll send gimli some cash |
| 07:35.43 | lundman | I have several yen lying on my table |
| 07:35.47 | J1nx | I thought Cubox uses Dove |
| 07:36.01 | lundman | jinx: it has, but not ported to xbmc |
| 07:36.13 | lundman | so, x11 then run xbmc |
| 07:36.19 | J1nx | that's boated |
| 07:36.23 | J1nx | bloated |
| 07:36.34 | lundman | for sure |
| 07:37.11 | J1nx | a shame, because it looks like a nice device for XBMC |
| 07:37.20 | J1nx | just a bit to expensive if you ask me |
| 07:37.24 | lundman | oh I'm sure they will eventually port dove |
| 07:37.43 | lundman | cubox and mele are pretty much the same price at the end of the day |
| 07:38.09 | J1nx | Yes, but the other A10 deviuces that are comming are cheaper |
| 07:38.34 | lundman | I'm going to ignore any "future" argument, since i'm sure a fusion reactor will be cheaper in the future too |
| 07:38.39 | lundman | :) |
| 07:38.56 | J1nx | lol, you are so right |
| 07:39.02 | lundman | got my cubox in march, got my mele in may |
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| 07:39.50 | J1nx | I want one as well, but try to focuss on Allwinner for now |
| 07:40.14 | lundman | me too, i think it is better for what I want |
| 07:40.24 | lundman | i need to figure out how to build my own android kernels though |
| 07:40.30 | lundman | want to port zfs to mele as well |
| 07:40.58 | J1nx | why? |
| 07:41.12 | lundman | because I dont know how to make android kernels |
| 07:41.26 | lundman | :) |
| 07:41.41 | J1nx | no why zfs? |
| 07:42.02 | J1nx | want to build a cheap nas? |
| 07:42.26 | lundman | its like, you have used a flushing toilet for years, then, you buy a house and its only got an "out house" (ext2,3,4).. who wants to go back to that, all ext4, fsck and partitions |
| 07:42.36 | lundman | already build my nas, it is perfection |
| 07:43.04 | zenitraM | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AsMGqZyIC9F3dFprNmxwOXNuV3VmYWZTaWFGNHVXa3c&output=html mele temperature measurements |
| 07:43.06 | lundman | http://lundman.net/wiki/index.php/ZFS_RAID see> |
| 07:43.44 | J1nx | Yes I know ZFS, but fail to understand the benefit for it if it comes down to embedded system like the Mele |
| 07:44.30 | lundman | i think an embedded system using a fs that has to manually run fsck to fix any problems (especially since it is common to just pull the power) is exactly why you want a self-fixing fs |
| 07:44.47 | J1nx | what about RO |
| 07:45.07 | lundman | none of the hardware on my desk is in RO |
| 07:45.31 | lundman | but sure, i hear you. The OS would be safe, and my data would be at risk |
| 07:45.41 | lundman | personally, I dont care about the OS, reinstall. my data on the other hand.... |
| 07:45.56 | J1nx | To me it looks better to have the nand (sdcard for now) in RO mode and to use a USB stick or the sata for your stuff and config files |
| 07:46.07 | lundman | but I know, only I want it. so I'll port it for me. Already ported it several times before |
| 07:46.09 | J1nx | And the data and video are on you NAS |
| 07:46.25 | lundman | yes, but I'll know the core is rotten, that's not ok |
| 07:46.27 | J1nx | Ah OK, Now we are talking; Because you want it |
| 07:46.31 | lundman | amen! |
| 07:46.33 | J1nx | Fair enough :D |
| 07:46.48 | lundman | and its a fun challenge |
| 07:46.59 | J1nx | You want it, you like it, you can do it, so you do it |
| 07:47.12 | J1nx | best reason if you ask me :D |
| 07:47.27 | lundman | yeah |
| 07:47.45 | J1nx | Anyway, freaking battery is ampty again. Have to fly |
| 07:47.54 | lundman | tata |
| 08:02.23 | arete74 | 1~2 |
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| 09:49.02 | lundman | : |
| 09:49.06 | lundman | +) |
| 10:01.48 | mnemoc | lundman: in the long run, does your udelay in wemac change behaves well? |
| 10:06.28 | lundman | i didnt add udelay, just changed the value and removed the busyloop |
| 10:06.38 | lundman | but yes, it certainly made it better |
| 10:12.46 | lundman | but i didnt realy think anyone would read my pull requests, my patches tend to be ignored :) but it makes it batter, and if I can get an android kernel with it i can see if it fixes streaming |
| 10:14.16 | mnemoc | i don't ignore any... |
| 10:15.05 | lundman | submits 10 pull requests with naughty jokes |
| 10:15.13 | mnemoc | doh |
| 10:15.40 | lundman | I will remove the comments, I was leaving them so I knew which I changed, since I changed them quite a numbe rof times |
| 10:19.24 | lundman | or do we have a guide for how to make android kernel, then the image file neede to put on nandc |
| 10:19.51 | zenitraM | you need to create a boot.img |
| 10:20.01 | zenitraM | which contains the kernel + initrd + parameters iric |
| 10:20.06 | zenitraM | s/iric/iirc |
| 10:20.12 | zenitraM | the tool for that is mkbootimg |
| 10:20.21 | zenitraM | then you just dd the boot.img to nandc |
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| 10:21.46 | lundman | yeah, but need more details than that :) |
| 10:22.35 | zenitraM | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Unpack%2C_Edit%2C_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images#Unpacking.2C_Editing.2C_and_Re-Packing_the_images |
| 10:26.56 | mtd_ | anybody know any places in shenzhen to get some allwinner boards? the smaller the better. I'm going there in a week and am interested in picking up some to-hack-on-about-the-house toys. |
| 10:27.07 | lundman | i was reading that actually, the perl script does not unpack the ICS4 kernel correctly |
| 10:27.38 | mnemoc | lundman: the smaller the better (patch) |
| 10:28.10 | lundman | its 4 lines essentially |
| 10:28.15 | mnemoc | mtd_: mail hipboi_ |
| 10:30.36 | mtd_ | mnemoc: oh? |
| 10:32.30 | mnemoc | mtd_: he lives in zhuhai, but he probably knows the places in shenzhen |
| 10:34.31 | mtd_ | mnemoc: ah thanks |
| 10:34.46 | mnemoc | mtd_: he said on a mail he had been searching for boards to use as devkits, so I assume he already has contact with many manufacturers |
| 10:35.08 | mnemoc | some will probably met your needs |
| 10:35.35 | mtd_ | mnemoc: thanks |
| 10:45.23 | mnemoc | git pull --rebase |
| 10:45.25 | mnemoc | err |
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| 10:55.32 | J1nx | full again ;) |
| 10:57.40 | mnemoc | lundman: will upload a new one with the right comments as hno requested or I mangle it myself? |
| 11:21.19 | lundman | please do.. Iam hoping for better nic performance |
| 11:24.48 | mnemoc | lundman: ok, I will, but I'll keep the issue open until some feedback about wemac_msleep() |
| 11:29.13 | Quarx | mnemoc: hello, how i can debug ksoftirqd/0 ? it all time use 1-15% CPU, it causes fast battery drain |
| 11:29.49 | mnemoc | Quarx: I don't know, I'm pretty noob on kernel stuff |
| 11:30.22 | mnemoc | there are a bunch of config options to enable tracing in those things |
| 11:31.53 | lundman | i wont be in the office for another 12 hours :) |
| 11:32.04 | mnemoc | no rush ;-) |
| 11:32.10 | lundman | mne: just so we are clear, I did not take out emac_sleep. know nothing of it |
| 11:32.59 | mnemoc | lundman: i know, but those udelay() are clearly a hack |
| 11:33.50 | mnemoc | lundman: commit pushed |
| 11:37.13 | lundman | well, the readme says it doesnt even use DMA which had me corned initially :) |
| 11:37.21 | lundman | but clearly it does |
| 11:38.25 | lundman | cool, thanks |
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| 14:03.33 | hp_ | lundman: where are you located? :) |
| 14:04.25 | TomNL | guys do you any european/dutch places to get a a10 (mele a2000/1000) device? |
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| 14:07.50 | hp_ | TomNL: Nope buy why not buy one from tom cubie? |
| 14:08.56 | TomNL | yes i probably will:) how long will the shipping be, do you know. I will be trying to setup openelec build chain, for when xbmc support will be there |
| 14:09.34 | hp_ | TomNL: depends on your shipping type selection EMC is 4 days |
| 14:10.17 | TomNL | ok, thnx |
| 14:10.18 | hno | TomNL, mine arrived in about 10 days I think, using Sweden Post. |
| 14:10.43 | TomNL | ah that''s ok, because on the mk802 there is no uart points right? |
| 14:11.17 | hno | TomNL, no easily accessible or identified UART. But there is 4 test pads which is in the right place to be UART or maybe JTAG. |
| 14:12.44 | hno | mele is easier to work with, nice little connector for uart. |
| 14:13.00 | hno | and unpopulated JTAG connector. |
| 14:13.42 | hno | but only 512MB memory. |
| 14:13.50 | mnemoc | TomNL: as reference, I bought a second mele from Tom on may 28, got posted on june 5 on china post, and arrived to my home on spain the 15th |
| 14:15.24 | TomNL | ok thnx mnemoc |
| 14:16.02 | TomNL | seems a nice box to work with :) |
| 14:16.08 | mnemoc | yes, very |
| 14:17.15 | TomNL | you guys ordered from the alieexpress store right? |
| 14:17.39 | mnemoc | yes, from hipboi's |
| 14:18.21 | mnemoc | odd to see an aliexpress seller or irc, isn't it? ;-) |
| 14:18.50 | mnemoc | TomNL: http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/511685 |
| 14:18.52 | TomNL | hehe true, especially speaking that good english ;-) |
| 14:19.01 | mnemoc | yeah |
| 14:19.33 | TomNL | thnx guys, i will order soon, and see if I can help out on some of the development parts |
| 14:20.56 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 14:21.02 | mnemoc | you are very welcomed |
| 14:21.53 | mnemoc | hipboi: btw, what happened with the microsd break out boards you were selling? can't get them anymore? |
| 14:23.24 | specing | Lloll he has 127 orders :O |
| 14:24.14 | mnemoc | specing: sum the different products. 127 is only the basic a2000 |
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| 14:25.06 | mnemoc | and he used to have some multi-piece products too |
| 14:40.20 | hipboi | mnemoc: i am just a part time seller |
| 14:40.48 | mnemoc | hipboi: :) |
| 14:40.57 | hipboi | that's why you order on May 28 and ship on june 5 |
| 14:41.15 | hipboi | the uSD debug board is very few |
| 14:41.29 | hipboi | so i do not sell it any more |
| 14:41.51 | mnemoc | hipboi: I wasn't critizing the delay, I found it pretty good compared to other shops |
| 14:41.51 | hipboi | if anyone need it, i can send it for free |
| 14:42.04 | hipboi | really? |
| 14:42.18 | hipboi | i thought i am slow to ship |
| 14:42.44 | hipboi | my friends at Shenzhen do the actually ship |
| 14:43.06 | mnemoc | hipboi: from my experience buying from china it's better than average |
| 14:43.06 | hipboi | i just replying mails and messages |
| 14:43.35 | mnemoc | hipboi: many shops give you the tracking number 2 days after buying but the actual posting happens 7-10 days later anyway |
| 14:43.58 | hipboi | oh |
| 14:44.15 | hipboi | yes, the tracking number can be achived before shipping |
| 14:45.13 | mnemoc | I bought a motorola lapdock from USA two weeks ago. they gave me the tracking number the same day, but still not posted |
| 14:45.22 | TomNL | hipboi you ship by dhl? to netherlands? |
| 14:45.30 | hipboi | yes |
| 14:45.37 | hipboi | EU, right? |
| 14:45.41 | TomNL | yes |
| 14:46.03 | mnemoc | a corner of germany :p |
| 14:46.09 | hipboi | there is a special line to EU |
| 14:46.28 | hipboi | first the package will be delivered together to Germany |
| 14:46.57 | hipboi | and then shipped from Germany to other EU counties by DHL |
| 14:47.10 | TomNL | hehe ok:) |
| 14:47.45 | TomNL | only difference between a1000 and a2000 is nand? |
| 14:47.54 | hipboi | the case |
| 14:48.09 | mnemoc | a2000 has nicer case, but same internals |
| 14:48.13 | hipboi | i don't have a1000 any more |
| 14:48.20 | TomNL | hehe ok:) |
| 14:48.35 | hipboi | so if you buy a1000, i will tell you a1000 is out of stock |
| 14:48.51 | hno | hipboi, I don't need one right now, but will need a microsd breakout shipped in some weeks when I buy an A10 1GB + A13 devices. |
| 14:49.30 | hipboi | i can ship you an A2000 if you buy A1000 |
| 14:49.50 | hipboi | hno: no problem |
| 14:50.36 | hno | The A2000 have a later revision of the board I think. Someone mentioned the UART is oriented differently, maybe other small changes as well? |
| 14:50.49 | TomNL | there is no remote with the a2000 right? have to buy it seperatly? |
| 14:50.59 | hipboi | no |
| 14:51.05 | mnemoc | same remote, but no sata sleeve |
| 14:51.08 | hipboi | a2000 also comes with remote |
| 14:51.20 | hipboi | hno: i am not sure |
| 14:51.50 | hno | Anyone with an A2000 that can take a picture of the board? |
| 14:51.51 | mnemoc | hno: I have both and boards are identical, except for the orientation of the uart pins |
| 14:52.24 | hipboi | hno: yes, because mele still manufacture a1000 |
| 14:52.36 | mnemoc | hno: but I can take it apart an make a picture if you want |
| 14:54.51 | hno | no hurry, just a little curious on why they changed orientation of the UART. Doing so requires quite a lot of changes. |
| 14:55.35 | mnemoc | hno: ok, I'll take one in 30-40m after I finish fixing something |
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| 14:55.57 | hno | unless they dropped the alternative power button placement. But why? |
| 14:56.26 | mnemoc | hno: pins go above the ram chip |
| 14:57.46 | hno | Where all the test points are on A1000 board? |
| 14:58.12 | mnemoc | the connector is in the same place an orientation |
| 14:58.44 | mnemoc | but the pins make an horizontal L instead of vertical |
| 14:58.56 | Mazon | anyone know if there are 1GB ram mele units coming out soon? - or wait for geniatechs atv1200 ? |
| 14:59.10 | hno | ? |
| 14:59.44 | mnemoc | goes to take the a2000 apart |
| 15:00.03 | hno | mnemoc, different connector only? With L shape pins? |
| 15:01.15 | mnemoc | hno: yes |
| 15:01.38 | mnemoc | but I'll post a picture so it's more clear |
| 15:01.47 | mnemoc | back in 5m |
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| 15:10.07 | mnemoc | hno: http://imgur.com/LruGQ |
| 15:10.44 | mnemoc | hno: strangely mine is different than the a2000 pictured before |
| 15:11.06 | mnemoc | I'll take another without cables |
| 15:11.38 | mnemoc | something there seems to have changed |
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| 15:16.19 | mnemoc | hno: now without cables http://imgur.com/MTm02 |
| 15:18.08 | hno | mnemoc, that's the exact same board I have, only different connector. |
| 15:18.40 | mnemoc | hno: that's the latest a2000 :) |
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| 15:18.54 | mnemoc | my a1000 has a different nand |
| 15:20.37 | mnemoc | I was sightly confused by the first picture in the area between the sata and vga connectors, but it's the same |
| 15:23.53 | traeak | http://www.pandawill.com/cx01-mini-android-tv-box-android-40-cortex-a5-hdmi-usb-4gb-p63620.html |
| 15:24.10 | traeak | i haven't seen any discussion about this on the list or on here |
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| 15:27.33 | hno | traeak, we try to focus on sunxi |
| 15:28.09 | traeak | hno: understood...on the techical side |
| 15:29.27 | traeak | telechips forced BS ndas, so that's not cool |
| 15:31.29 | hno | Allwinner has their share of NDAs as well. |
| 15:36.38 | hno | I never understand why they all hide even the basic datasheets under NDA requirements. |
| 15:37.07 | mnemoc | even fsl |
| 15:38.05 | mnemoc | beside a generic two pages brochure there is nothing public about the imx.6 |
| 15:38.36 | mnemoc | and it doesn't even have a comparisson table |
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| 15:44.04 | hno | mnemoc, that's more than telechips. They only have the family model numbers public, with no information on what they are capable of at all. |
| 15:44.22 | mnemoc | meh |
| 15:45.19 | hno | Allwinner at least have model numbers and intended uses public. But no specifications at all. |
| 15:50.08 | hno | Or maybe they do have that 2 page "A1X Brief" brochure available on request. Not sure on it's status. And more confusing than informing. |
| 15:51.35 | mnemoc | I know the ~80 pages datasheet is included in the devkit... but even if you don't have to sign an NDA to buy the kit, it says confidential |
| 15:51.49 | mnemoc | and it's expensive as hell |
| 16:05.28 | steev | mnemoc: that's because the mx6 isn't actually released |
| 16:05.40 | steev | i'd guess sometime this week or next things should be made public (FTF is this week) |
| 16:06.01 | steev | to even buy an mx6 right now requires permission from fsl |
| 16:06.10 | mnemoc | uh |
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| 17:15.04 | specing | :O |
| 17:15.25 | specing | I found an A13 tablet today, being advertised in a flyer |
| 17:18.37 | specing | $100 wtf |
| 17:19.56 | Quarx | mnemoc: mali should suspend in sleep mode? |
| 17:19.58 | specing | 7" 800x480, 512 MB DDR3, 8Gb nand, 0.3MP cam, TPad CT70, 2.2 Ah battery |
| 17:20.56 | mnemoc | Quarx: I suppose so |
| 17:21.19 | mnemoc | specing: sick |
| 17:22.11 | specing | How much is that really worth, $60? |
| 17:22.54 | mnemoc | well... in china |
| 17:25.30 | Quarx | anyone have mali libs for r2p4-02rel1 driver ? |
| 17:28.43 | mnemoc | uh, allwinner in ARM's blog |
| 17:28.57 | mnemoc | Quarx: I was told the drivers we have from Tom's ubuntu and from standard ICS are compatible with r2p4-02rel1 |
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| 17:29.29 | mnemoc | http://blogs.arm.com/multimedia/750-allwinner-technology-and-arm-working-together-to-get-to-market-quicker/ |
| 17:30.23 | Quarx | mnemoc: yes it compatible, but mali is not sleeping :( very big battery drain in idle |
| 17:31.56 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 17:32.01 | Quarx | i will try r3p0-04rel0 - [08 June 2012] |
| 17:39.26 | mnemoc | lkcl: http://gooseberry.atspace.co.uk/ |
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| 17:39.53 | mnemoc | lkcl: rhombustech is mentioned on the first post |
| 17:40.22 | TomNL | isnt the goosberry board the same board posted as $27 board on the mailing list? |
| 17:40.41 | mnemoc | different shape |
| 17:41.18 | traeak | ugh, no sata breakout |
| 17:41.30 | mnemoc | ehm |
| 17:42.11 | mnemoc | so they are basicly reselling a tablet board |
| 17:43.20 | specing | $27 board? where? |
| 17:43.43 | mnemoc | Quarx: could you test using the lichee-3.0.8-sun4i branch? |
| 17:43.47 | traeak | IMHO one of the killer features is the sata on this thing...having that io throughput is killer |
| 17:43.51 | traeak | at this price point |
| 17:44.22 | TomNL | @specing, nobody knows where to buy yet ;-) |
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| 18:40.26 | lkcl | mnemoc: thanks. |
| 18:40.57 | mnemoc | lkcl: saw the link about the ico module? |
| 18:40.59 | mnemoc | uce* |
| 18:41.02 | lkcl | we're almost there. i've asked the project manager to ask his team to do a screenshot |
| 18:41.03 | mnemoc | ice* |
| 18:41.21 | lkcl | mnemoc: yeahhh, i did. faaascinating :) you see how they patented the concept? |
| 18:41.43 | lkcl | that'll be ... interesting to review when it comes out of "submarine" mode |
| 18:42.01 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:42.27 | lkcl | i think they also fully understand that if they don't patent it, they're f****d. anyone could make incompatible modules and destroy their entire business |
| 18:42.52 | lkcl | like... life-threatening incompatible modules |
| 18:43.04 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:43.21 | mnemoc | but i hope they didn't patent the computer-on-module idea |
| 18:43.44 | lkcl | ohhh i do hope so - i'd love to do a comparison of the two :) |
| 18:43.59 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:44.10 | lkcl | i thought about contacting them, see if they'd like to do a cross-licensing and cooperation deal |
| 18:45.08 | lkcl | anyway: the engineering team had fun trying to find the DDR3 clock lines in the PADS file (two netlists) which delayed the PCB layout for several days |
| 18:45.13 | mnemoc | theirs has like the double of room than eoma68 |
| 18:45.14 | lkcl | they're back on track, now |
| 18:45.32 | lkcl | i couldn't make out what the connector was. |
| 18:45.44 | lkcl | but in that video they said it was a proprietary connector |
| 18:46.26 | lkcl | that means it's *outside* of the scope of the EOMA patents. the EOMA patents *very specifically* cover *pre-existing* mass-volume connectors *only*. |
| 18:47.10 | lkcl | re-use of mass-volume legacy connectors housings sockets and assemblies for mass-volume modular computing purposes |
| 18:47.41 | lkcl | but, here's what's great about that little company: they've done _tons_ of work already on cases. |
| 18:48.39 | mnemoc | i don't see the choice of connector/formfactor important as long as it gets standarized and fits in a normal weight 10-13" laptop |
| 18:49.09 | mnemoc | but sure, that's your patent, and they aren't violating it |
| 18:50.38 | mnemoc | lkcl: please make one with tough case and *good* ~12" display... not those crappy rounded bending cases they love to use on netbooks |
| 18:51.52 | traeak | lkcl: and make it super inexpensive while you are at it :-p |
| 18:53.39 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:54.55 | mnemoc | it might be the age, but I don't find "super inexpensive" to be that important |
| 18:56.15 | lkcl | 1sec.. |
| 18:56.37 | mnemoc | I would gladly pay $300 for a good a10 ~12" laptop or $400-450 for one with quad core a9 |
| 19:00.19 | arisel | would gladly pay $600 if psion wopuld again be selling new netbooks :) |
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| 19:00.57 | rm | wait for the Loongson 3 netbook :P |
| 19:01.20 | rm | they won't disappoint @ your expectations of paying an arm and a leg for a netbook |
| 19:01.33 | rm | (hehe beavis, he said "an ARM") |
| 19:02.00 | arisel | ;) I just don't think they get the keyboard right.. |
| 19:02.02 | mnemoc | has a loongson 2f laptop.... disappointing to the extreme |
| 19:02.15 | mnemoc | arisel: those were rugged? |
| 19:02.17 | arisel | there's a lot of laptops with much horsepower which I don't need. |
| 19:02.26 | arisel | mnemoc: no. |
| 19:02.43 | arisel | mnemoc: just very good to work/type with. |
| 19:03.06 | arisel | running epoc ;) |
| 19:03.14 | mnemoc | :p |
| 19:03.19 | specing | MIPS Loongson 3, now with even more x86 instructions! |
| 19:03.49 | traeak | oh geez |
| 19:06.19 | rm | http://hi.baidu.com/red54/item/6af7682d4a6a210943634a24 pics |
| 19:07.17 | traeak | i still want a stinkpad 'x' series |
| 19:07.18 | specing | yes, "oh geez" is the appropriate expression |
| 19:07.45 | specing | That is about when I stopped caring about Loongson |
| 19:08.06 | specing | That is, when they included 200 x86 instructions in it |
| 19:08.16 | traeak | heh |
| 19:08.31 | mnemoc | loves his x120e |
| 19:08.38 | specing | WTF WHY ARE YOU MAKING A MIPS CPU IF YOU ARE GOING TO RUN x86 ON IT ANYWAY?!?!?!1oneoneone |
| 19:08.53 | rm | nah |
| 19:08.56 | traeak | chinese government interference maybe? |
| 19:09.13 | mnemoc | they call it "independence" |
| 19:09.14 | rm | in loongson-dev 95% of messages start with "hi I am porting Android to loongson and..." |
| 19:09.16 | traeak | mnemoc: keeping an eye out on the lenovo outlet |
| 19:09.17 | specing | I don't think so |
| 19:09.21 | traeak | lovely |
| 19:09.46 | traeak | i have a task in mind but avoiding it like the plagues since i really need to get real work done |
| 19:09.50 | rm | because look how well an android netbook worked out for toshiba |
| 19:09.51 | traeak | which reminds me (grr) |
| 19:10.03 | traeak | they'd be better off chasing chrome |
| 19:10.11 | traeak | but that's not wonderful either |
| 19:10.24 | mnemoc | I'm seriusly impressed the chromebooks are still x86 |
| 19:11.00 | traeak | is cost of the chip/chipset/ram really that much compared to an arm soc ? |
| 19:12.10 | specing | yeah |
| 19:12.26 | mnemoc | in the armdevices videos, those who sell x86 and arm equivalents usually charge the double for the x86 one |
| 19:12.27 | specing | I think the Geode + chipset is >$15 |
| 19:13.21 | mnemoc | and usually is actually much worse in weight, battery life and actual performance |
| 19:14.24 | rm | I wonder for how long MK802 will retail for more than a tablet that includes everything it has, + a touch screen + battery + larger case |
| 19:14.37 | mnemoc | the guy on the ice computer module video was quite proud of his $200 price tag |
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| 19:16.23 | rm | tomtop are sleazy bastards |
| 19:16.43 | mnemoc | ? |
| 19:16.51 | rm | said "no stock" on my order and asked to cancel it myself, and that I select "wrong product ordered" |
| 19:17.05 | rm | so that their precious order completion rate is not tarnished |
| 19:17.23 | rm | I ignored them and then they marked it as shipped and gave a fake tracking number |
| 19:17.30 | mnemoc | but you are getting the stick for $70? |
| 19:17.38 | rm | posting a note, "meh if we'll get stock we'll actually ship then, maybe" |
| 19:17.52 | rm | either that, or a refund in 38 days |
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| 19:20.18 | mnemoc | doh |
| 19:20.27 | mnemoc | file a dispute :p |
| 19:28.52 | mnemoc | rm: but the weirdest part is http://www.tomtop.com/mini-mk802-android-4-0-google-tv-box-hd-iptv-player-pc-allwinner-a10-512m-ddr3.html |
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| 19:31.18 | rm | yeah, saw it still listed |
| 19:31.43 | rm | but it's entirely possible whoever orders one also gets stalled and asked to wait |
| 19:32.11 | mnemoc | indeed |
| 19:32.12 | rm | or more likely, they put in the wrong price for the $70 one |
| 19:32.34 | mnemoc | $99 is absurdly wrong too |
| 19:33.58 | mnemoc | a mele is far better investment than that dongle wannabe |
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| 19:46.08 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: got tired of notion ink? :) |
| 19:46.24 | Turl | mnemoc: :P |
| 19:46.43 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: no just branching outside of tegra finally;) |
| 19:46.51 | mnemoc | :D |
| 19:46.53 | RaYmAn | mk802 |
| 19:47.31 | Turl | mnemoc: did you check out that file I linked the other day? some of the relicenses aren't removing the old license block |
| 19:47.40 | Turl | RaYmAn: ouch :P |
| 19:47.55 | RaYmAn | Turl: why ouch? |
| 19:47.58 | mnemoc | Turl: yes, hipboi_ said he was going to fixed them today |
| 19:48.06 | Turl | mnemoc: ok, good |
| 19:48.14 | Turl | RaYmAn: I heard the quality is not-so-good |
| 19:48.27 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: mk802 is mostly hype :< |
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| 19:48.39 | RaYmAn | seems ok to me. got the 1gb version |
| 19:49.26 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: yeah just wanted some small allwinner device and i already have 4-5 tablets, lol |
| 19:49.32 | Turl | RaYmAn: electric shielding and stuff was substandard iirc |
| 19:49.41 | Turl | RaYmAn: a Mele would've been a way better pick :) |
| 19:49.49 | RaYmAn | ah, yeah, probably true |
| 19:49.56 | RaYmAn | i suppose |
| 19:50.08 | RaYmAn | does that coffee in a1gb variant? |
| 19:50.12 | Turl | RaYmAn: and you gain an android media center/set-top box :p |
| 19:50.23 | Turl | coffee? hm |
| 19:50.24 | mnemoc | sata, ethernet, uart.... but true, 512M only :< |
| 19:50.32 | RaYmAn | my TV runs plex |
| 19:50.40 | Turl | RaYmAn: a NAS then |
| 19:50.43 | Turl | it has sata |
| 19:50.50 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 19:51.02 | RaYmAn | it's purely a play device for me |
| 19:51.14 | RaYmAn | so doesn't matter much |
| 19:51.43 | Turl | how does it get power? |
| 19:51.53 | Turl | leeches HDMI? |
| 19:52.06 | RaYmAn | power plug + wallwart |
| 19:52.23 | traeak | the telechips cx01 ~50usd cortex a5 looks interesting...especially if it were dual core a5 (dunno at this point) |
| 19:52.33 | RaYmAn | it's not exactly plug and play |
| 19:53.12 | Turl | RaYmAn: a variant with hdmi plug + usb cable for power would've been nice |
| 19:53.22 | Turl | most tv's have a HDD port, or a usb service port that has power |
| 19:53.29 | mnemoc | traeak: if you don't mind about the lack of sources... |
| 19:53.56 | RaYmAn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.42 | RaYmAn | charging |
| 19:55.21 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: mail hipboi, he said today he can get more of his ready-to-use uSD breakout to uart/jtag |
| 19:56.00 | Turl | mnemoc: I asked him the other day, need to ask again and see if he found out shipping costs |
| 19:56.13 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: ooh, that'd rock |
| 19:56.39 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: at last my Adam had serial port;) |
| 19:56.47 | RaYmAn | well,has |
| 19:56.52 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: iirc you broke your screen for that |
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| 19:57.06 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: they sent me a replacement |
| 19:57.11 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:57.23 | RaYmAn | with debug header |
| 19:57.45 | traeak | mnemoc: that's a problem, a bad one |
| 19:57.46 | mnemoc | the mele has 4 nice pins and risk-free screws |
| 19:58.01 | Turl | mnemoc: btw wanted to ask |
| 19:58.05 | traeak | so with MS trying to come onboard i wonder what effect this wil have on the chinese ? |
| 19:58.06 | mnemoc | traeak: which (at least to me) means the device doesn't exist |
| 19:58.14 | Turl | mnemoc: does your A10 boot on itself? |
| 19:58.18 | traeak | mnemoc: true, very true |
| 19:58.49 | mnemoc | Turl: what do you mean? infinit rebooting? no... works just fine... even 3.3 |
| 19:59.06 | Turl | mnemoc: no |
| 19:59.11 | Turl | mnemoc: you power it off |
| 19:59.16 | Turl | and it's off |
| 19:59.34 | Turl | then say you wait 10, 30, an hour or w/e |
| 19:59.38 | Turl | and it boots itself |
| 19:59.44 | rm | my VC882 does that :D |
| 20:00.01 | Turl | and for people who run linux distros is bad |
| 20:00.06 | Turl | because they don't suspend |
| 20:00.14 | Turl | so they drain the fuck out of your battery :) |
| 20:00.39 | Turl | rm: is that a tablet? |
| 20:01.11 | rm | yes |
| 20:02.04 | Turl | I'm thinking maybe there's some kind of alarm that doesn't get unarmed on shutdown? |
| 20:02.12 | rm | yes maybe |
| 20:02.22 | rm | I haven't found a precise reason |
| 20:02.29 | Turl | mnemoc: should I file a bug report? |
| 20:02.36 | rm | but it looks like if a lot of apps were open prior to a shutdown, it'll happen |
| 20:02.47 | Turl | rm: I doubt it's a hw issue if you're seeing it too, as well as a friend |
| 20:02.49 | rm | oh, and I mean the Android 2.3 system, not a proper distro |
| 20:02.59 | Turl | yeah I run android 4 |
| 20:04.08 | mnemoc | Turl: when in doubt, file a ticket |
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| 20:15.12 | Turl | mnemoc: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/42 |
| 20:15.29 | Turl | that bug is the meaning of life, the universe and everything |
| 20:15.42 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 20:16.15 | mnemoc | Turl: could you try to reproduce it on lichee-3.0.8-sun4i? |
| 20:16.31 | Turl | mnemoc: I don't have my tab here |
| 20:16.39 | mnemoc | :( |
| 20:16.50 | Turl | besides it's not completely reproducible 100% of the times |
| 20:16.59 | Turl | time* |
| 20:17.22 | Turl | rm: ^ can you try? |
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| 20:18.38 | steev | Turl: watchdog timeout maybe? |
| 20:18.54 | Turl | steev: maybe |
| 20:19.01 | Turl | steev: that would be weird though |
| 20:19.08 | steev | we have some machines here that are *cough* modified *cough*, so if you cut power, after 2 minutes, they turn back on |
| 20:19.11 | Turl | steev: watchdog looks like off during system operation |
| 20:19.28 | rm | I don't know what to try, isn't sun4i an Allwinner nomenclature |
| 20:19.33 | steev | something could be shorting it |
| 20:20.13 | Turl | rm: checkout lichee-3.0.8-sun4i branch and build it and test with that |
| 20:20.39 | Turl | steev: I ran buggy kernel code that f'ed up and my tablet wasn't reboot ever :P |
| 20:20.46 | mnemoc | rm: sun3i = F20, sun4i = A10, sun5i = A12,A13, sun6i = "next big thing" |
| 20:20.53 | rm | right |
| 20:21.12 | rm | any my tablet is not an Allwinner, I just mentioned I had a similar issue on another manufacturer's chip :) |
| 20:21.22 | Turl | rm: ah |
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| 20:22.11 | rm | Turl, also wanted to add that can't help it, but somehow suspect the Google Market (and a couple of background services it seems to fire up) as the culprit |
| 20:22.36 | rm | maybe it leaves some kind of a wakeup timer enabled |
| 20:23.05 | rm | forcibly terminating everything related to market via a process manager seems to cause the problem to not happen |
| 20:23.20 | Turl | rm: android does use rtc alarms |
| 20:23.23 | rm | but I did not do a lot of experiments |
| 20:23.30 | Turl | to wake up from suspend |
| 20:23.40 | Turl | to check for stuff or whatever it needs to get done |
| 20:23.57 | omgmog | Hello folks, I'm having some trouble using the 'unimg.exe' tool for extracting Allwinner A10 images while under a virtual machine. Does anybody know if there's a way around this restriction, or if there's a Mac binary available that does the same/similar job? |
| 20:24.37 | Turl | omgmog: I personally use it with wine |
| 20:24.41 | Turl | (on debian) |
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| 20:25.32 | omgmog | Hmm, I wonder if it'll work with Wine for Mac OS |
| 20:25.41 | zenitraM | it should |
| 20:26.02 | omgmog | I'll give it a go, thanks guys :) |
| 20:26.03 | mnemoc | as long as your host is x86 |
| 20:26.49 | omgmog | Yeah, it is -- will report back if I have any further issues :P |
| 20:26.53 | zenitraM | if it's fast enough to run a windows vm then i bet it's not a ppc mac :P |
| 20:27.09 | mnemoc | soh |
| 20:27.11 | mnemoc | doh |
| 20:27.57 | omgmog | Just an odd restriction that unimg can't be ran on a virtual machine, anybody know the reason for that? |
| 20:28.16 | zenitraM | it worked for me, how are you running it? |
| 20:29.24 | omgmog | I tried running unimg.exe from cmd, and also running the A10 Flash Kitchen scripts, both times I get a popup like this: http://uk.omg.li/HVHV |
| 20:29.34 | omgmog | Setting up Wine now to see if that fairs any better |
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| 20:30.26 | zenitraM | o.O never seen that error before |
| 20:30.36 | zenitraM | it worked fine for me on... i think it was parallels desktop |
| 20:30.39 | Turl | sounds like when people use themida or that kind of shit encrypter |
| 20:30.39 | mnemoc | probably newer version |
| 20:30.57 | omgmog | This is on Virtualbox with Windows 7 |
| 20:31.17 | mnemoc | newer version of unimag.exe I mean |
| 20:31.35 | mnemoc | from an author with a brainfucked level of paranoia |
| 20:31.38 | Turl | I haven't tested unimg on vbox, but I know livesuite works on winxp+virtualbox |
| 20:31.42 | eFfeM | trying the latest ics image for a1000 but seem to have a network problem, I have connected wired, if I go to ehternet it says I have an IP, I can ping that ip from my linux box but the clock right bottom is wrong and tells me that there is no network connection. anyone an idea what is wrong (or is this to be expected?) |
| 20:31.44 | omgmog | Hmm, zenitraM could you possible share your unimg binary? |
| 20:32.13 | zenitraM | i think it was this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22512903&postcount=17 |
| 20:33.19 | omgmog | Same issue with that version |
| 20:33.31 | mnemoc | try wine |
| 20:40.30 | RITRedbeard | I don't drink. |
| 20:41.43 | eFfeM | seems the ICS image does not have dns settings |
| 20:42.07 | eFfeM | at least no /etc/resolv.conf and nslookup only has 127.0.0.1 as server |
| 20:43.04 | mnemoc | the mele I have with android runs fine with the latest image Tom released, over wifi |
| 20:43.22 | eFfeM | wifi does not seem to find my router, maybe too fare |
| 20:43.23 | mnemoc | the network settings should let you set your own dns resolvers |
| 20:43.24 | eFfeM | far |
| 20:43.36 | eFfeM | i'd expect the resolvers to come from dhcp |
| 20:43.51 | eFfeM | will try to set them manually; biab |
| 20:44.12 | RaYmAn | Did anyone do any work on reversing the livesuite image format? relying on that unimg seems..horrible, and I don't want to repeat work if someone already spent time on it |
| 20:44.29 | mnemoc | if /etc/resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.1 I assume they run a local cache-resolver |
| 20:44.45 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: that's what omgmog is trying |
| 20:44.53 | RaYmAn | oh. |
| 20:44.54 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 20:45.05 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: you need to start with unimage.exe and fileaddsum.exe, both work fine with wine |
| 20:45.27 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: yeah, I have a broken down image already :) |
| 20:45.43 | mnemoc | so you are already ahead of omgmog :p |
| 20:46.24 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 20:46.50 | RaYmAn | I'm not sure having a windows partition on my dev box can be called being ahead ;) |
| 20:49.37 | RaYmAn | another thing, anyone happen to have any pictures of that sd breakout hipboi_ sells-ish? |
| 20:49.57 | mnemoc | 1m |
| 20:50.55 | mnemoc | http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/105341261.html |
| 20:51.32 | eFfeM | mnemoc: there is no /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 20:51.33 | mnemoc | can you open that link? |
| 20:51.57 | RaYmAn | yeah, it works, thanks |
| 20:52.12 | mnemoc | eFfeM: android runs a linux kernel, but doesn't follow any rule of the linux world |
| 20:52.23 | eFfeM | mnemoc: I know :-( |
| 20:52.30 | mnemoc | eFfeM: settings go in sqlite files |
| 20:52.42 | mnemoc | eFfeM: so you have to use the settings app |
| 20:52.43 | eFfeM | i'm skilled in linux but an android n00b |
| 20:52.57 | eFfeM | tried manual settings and entered 8.8.8.8 as dns server |
| 20:53.00 | eFfeM | no luck |
| 20:53.22 | zenitraM | are you using ethernet? |
| 20:53.31 | zenitraM | ethernet worked for me out-of-the-box |
| 20:53.41 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: do you have one? If so, do you know if it actually breaks out all pins of the usd? |
| 20:53.42 | mnemoc | /etc/resolv.conf is a libc thing, usually handed over to pam. bionic most probably doesn't care about it |
| 20:56.06 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: I bought one, but haven't used it. but all pins have paths out of them... |
| 20:56.21 | RaYmAn | ah |
| 20:58.10 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: I'm researching whether this will work on most tegra tablets as well. Seems very likely, but it'll use different pins of the SD interface so need all =P |
| 20:58.21 | mnemoc | http://elinux.org/Hack_A10_devices#Get_a_console is the related documentation |
| 20:58.56 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: sparkfun sells a breakout board without anything soldered |
| 20:58.57 | RaYmAn | Yeah, I've read all that :) Can't wait to actually have the stuff required to test it :P |
| 20:59.01 | specing | eFfeM: route add default gw 10|192|172.x.x.x? |
| 20:59.19 | eFfeM | hm yeah |
| 20:59.25 | eFfeM | i'm indeed using ethernet zenitraM |
| 20:59.29 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: yer, and they charge insane shipping :( Even relatively close EU sellers charge like 20EUR shipping..for a frigging 5g, small board :P |
| 21:00.07 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: give me your address on /q, I can mail you mine. I don't use it |
| 21:00.45 | RaYmAn | ooh, that'd rock...But sad you don't use it :( |
| 21:01.06 | mnemoc | I'm a total failure with the soldering iron |
| 21:01.56 | eFfeM | there is no default route |
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| 21:03.09 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: yeah, me too.. I have friends with soldering skills though ;) |
| 21:04.40 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:04.51 | eFfeM | figured I have no default route, although manually I added one in the settings; route add helped, but that does not give dns |
| 21:10.24 | eFfeM | btw is there by any chance already a prebuilt ubuntu 12.04 image? |
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| 21:19.17 | eFfeM | reinstalling, just to be sure |
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| 21:26.12 | mnemoc | eFfeM: get a serial console and see the ethernet related logs, or ... logcat... but with the level of noise produced by the wifi driver you probably won't have anything useful in the buffer |
| 21:26.56 | eFfeM | could try that I do have telnet access (installed terminalide.apk |
| 21:27.52 | mnemoc | telnet access without network? |
| 21:28.37 | eFfeM | there is network, just no dns |
| 21:28.44 | eFfeM | and initially no default route |
| 21:28.53 | eFfeM | ip is ok |
| 21:28.58 | mnemoc | odd |
| 21:29.15 | eFfeM | yeah wondering if something went wrong with the image, so rewriting it |
| 21:30.07 | eFfeM | even when I manually add gateway and dns server it will not take them |
| 21:30.27 | eFfeM | is confused |
| 21:32.03 | mnemoc | the network settings ui should let you set all the stuff manually |
| 21:33.00 | eFfeM | yes, but still the changes are not accepted, manual ip yes, netmask yes, gateway no, dns no |
| 21:33.08 | eFfeM | iirc it worked with the old ics image |
| 21:33.11 | eFfeM | reflashing |
| 21:38.24 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Tony master * r54d2a3278bc7 /allwinner_a10/orders/nuff__95__said.mdwn: |
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| 21:57.05 | eFfeM | mnemoc: guess this was user error, reinstalled from scratch, did a factory reset and it works |
| 21:57.28 | eFfeM | only if I click on the time right bottom it says no network connection, but the connection is there, could sign in to the market and install an app |
| 21:57.39 | eFfeM | guess that means it is time to call it a day |
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| 21:57.47 | eFfeM | nite all (and thanks for your help and support) |
| 21:57.51 | mnemoc | it may refer to 3G connection |
| 21:58.12 | mnemoc | good night |
| 21:58.40 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Yann master * reeb1e3b301f2 /allwinner_a10/orders/Yann27.mdwn: |
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| 22:55.54 | A0Sheds | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/19/gooseberry-android-board-plans-to-sate-those-still-waiting-on-a/ 1GHz AllWinner CPU, 400MHz Mali GPU, 512MB RAM and 4GB of onboard storage $63 |
| 22:57.24 | A0Sheds | http://gooseberry.atspace.co.uk/ |
| 23:02.45 | zenitraM | also known as... a tablet board, as-is. |
| 23:02.52 | zenitraM | is that a screen connector? |
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| 23:11.38 | rzk | A0Sheds: thats look very similar to ly-f1 pcb |
| 23:11.42 | rzk | same layout |
| 23:12.15 | rzk | same connectors for touchscreen and lcd |
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| 23:16.37 | Turl | A0Sheds: atspace.co.uk? |
| 23:16.42 | Turl | isn't that free hosting? :P |
| 23:21.24 | A0Sheds | thats all I know about it, just those few links that are all dupes |
| 23:21.57 | A0Sheds | Email: gooseberryboard@gmail.com |
| 23:22.09 | Turl | probably they just said, 'we'll buy you tablets but without the case and screen and battery' |
| 23:22.42 | Turl | they even have the vol+/- |
| 23:22.48 | A0Sheds | maybe somebody just went out and a found a tablet mainboard and decided to just sell it without the battery, enclosure and display |
| 23:23.14 | A0Sheds | hey why not? |
| 23:23.47 | Turl | I mean, it's not a bad idea |
| 23:24.09 | Turl | they could've killed the volume buttons tho :P and made a smaller board |
| 23:24.16 | zenitraM | 'and sell them at 10$ less than a complete tablet http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/553542207-7-Allwinner-A10-Capacitive-Multi-Touch-Tablet-PC-1-2-GHz-Android-2-3-5-point-wholesalers.html ' |
| 23:24.45 | zenitraM | that would mean designing another board, he's not probably doing that |
| 23:25.14 | Turl | zenitraM: on the bright side, you pay 10$ less and don't need to disassemble it to use uart :P |
| 23:26.11 | zenitraM | Turl: the screen, battery and case are probably much more than 10$ when reselled :P |
| 23:27.16 | Turl | zenitraM: ya |
| 23:30.06 | lundman | love the weather the day after a typhoon |
| 23:30.36 | Turl | I need something like https://www.dealextreme.com/p/bluetooth-3-0-wireless-keyboard-with-folding-pu-leather-case-for-ipad-ipad2-the-new-ipad-black-135347 |
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| 23:33.30 | A0Sheds | http://www.emtrion.de/dimm_emev2_en.php |
| 23:33.36 | A0Sheds | SODIMM sized processor module with Renesas EMEV2 (dual Cortex-A9) processor |
| 23:36.10 | A0Sheds | http://www.technexion.com/index.php/products/edm/standard/edm-sf-imx6 |
| 23:36.20 | A0Sheds | EDM-SF-iMX6 - EDM Standard Module with Freescale i.MX6 Cortex-A9 |
| 23:36.29 | A0Sheds | http://www.technexion.com/index.php/products/edm/compact/edm-cf-imx6 |
| 23:36.38 | A0Sheds | EDM-CF-iMX6 - EDM Compact Module with Freescale i.MX6 Cortex-A9 |
| 23:40.42 | Turl | https://www.dealextreme.com/p/wireless-bluetooth-rs232-ttl-transceiver-module-80711?item=228 cool :) |
| 23:40.46 | A0Sheds | http://www.armdesigner.com/KIT4210%20%28Android%204.0.3%29.html but no price |
| 23:41.46 | zenitraM | Turl: put one of those inside the mele, or even better, a tablet = instant wireless debugging :P |
| 23:42.16 | Turl | yeah :D |
| 23:44.05 | A0Sheds | http://www.hectronic.se/website1/embedded/arm-modules/nr-s5pv210.php I wonder how much these S5PV210 modules are? |
| 23:50.35 | lundman | wonder what format the kernel is store in, inside the boot.img |
| 23:51.18 | Turl | lundman: a zImage |
| 23:51.29 | Turl | wonder how this keyboard feels https://www.dealextreme.com/p/wireless-bluetooth-v3-0-76-key-qwerty-keyboard-w-pu-leather-case-for-new-ipad-black-128471?item=38 |
| 23:51.45 | lundman | zImage? maybe my "'file' command dont know zImage |
| 23:52.10 | Turl | lundman: I mean, a boot.img is a boot.img |
| 23:52.12 | Turl | android format |
| 23:52.21 | Turl | inside there's a zImage and a ramdisk |
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| 23:55.36 | lundman | yeah ramdisk I can extract, but the kernel is unknown format |
| 23:55.50 | lundman | # file nandc-kernel |
| 23:55.50 | lundman | nandc-kernel: data |
| 23:56.17 | lundman | now it does look compressed, no strings, so I will make a zImage and see if they look similar |
| 23:56.40 | lundman | do we have on hand how to make the amery github be 3.0.8 tree used in ICS4, so the modules will work? |
| 23:57.03 | Turl | I don't think so, but you can make new modules? :) |
| 23:58.27 | lundman | but I don7t want to :) |